Thread 519408255

I talked to quite a few femcels from my generation, and asked them why they refuse to marry and have children.
And all of them seem to have a similar answer: they're scared of childbirth. Many feel like they wouldn't survive it, or it would fuck up their health beyond recovery.

It's odd to hear something like this from a woman, whose supposed natural instinct is to make babies. But something changed about female biology if this is where we're heading.

>>519408255 (OP)
>Many feel like they wouldn't survive it, or it would fuck up their health beyond recovery.
thats totally what is within the possible.
imagine having to shit out a baby, crazy stuff

>>519408255 (OP)
no they are just children and they are afraid of responsibility

everyone of the modern age is a self-centered bastard, including myself.

>>519408255 (OP)
saar.. are you suggesting we rape them?

>>519408255 (OP)
Modern women aren’t the badass women of old who could have 14 kids with no doctor. They are bitch made complaining toddlers that need to be coddled 24/7.

>>519408255 (OP)
Because they are scared that the men will leave them because of their now "worse" Looks. Many man are so overstimulated by porn that they only have interest in their wifes because of their Looks and Most Woman know that. IMO Most relationships are totally Fake.

>>519408255 (OP)
the basic problem is that women have been given a choice to have children
but the human race continuing can't be left to the whims of women
women simply need to lose their rights and be re-enslaves by the patriarchy
human continuation and women's rights are incompatible and mutually exclusive
if we don't do it, whoever takes over the planet will

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>>519409903
men will say this then cry and say society hates men

>>519409996
this

They even give the women painkillers and medically assist them with the childbirth, and sometimes even perform a surgical procedure to remove it straight from the womb with a C-section. Meanwhile their great grandmother would call the neighbor for help and pop those fuckers out straight into her own bathtub.

Modern people (both men and women) aren't shit compared to their ancestors

>>519410048

Ban porn

>>519408255 (OP)
>But something changed about female biology

Not biology psychology.

Once women were given the option of birth control a huge number opted into it.

>>519408255 (OP)
Factors like the high cost of childcare, concerns about the future, and body image changes related to pregnancy also influence the decision. It's also true that many women who don't have children never wanted them, while others may have wanted them but never had the opportunity or the right partner.

Who are you talking to? Nine year olds?

>>519410138
Nah. We’re just more civilized than our ancestors. Medical science has improved, we definitely don’t lose the mother or child on a complicated birth like your grandparents did.

>>519410202
>Ban porn
you'd need to ban internet as a whole
most women have crazy beauty standards for themselves becuase they compete against other women

most men don't give a shit and can date a 6/10 easy

>>519410212
>Not biology psychology.
biology and instincts are always stronger than psychology or thoughts

clearly if your main instinct in life is childbirth, and you're scared of it to the point of completely avoiding it - then it's not purely psychology

>>519410259
Birth control regulates period schedules and reduces a lot of the associated cramping for many women. Guys tend to benefit by having a partner less fearful of getting pregnant early in the relationship.

>>519410138
>Modern people (both men and women) aren't shit compared to their ancestors
This. We're wimps.

>>519408255 (OP)
Did you explain to them that women dying from childbirth has been extremely rare in the civilized world for the past century?

>feel like they wont survive childbirth
OP outing himself as white. this whole fear of childbirth is white weakness. just nonsense really but they picked for that. you picked for that.

>>519411022
it is true that birth control improves overall life for women especially in terms of handling periods

however, it's also true that it modifies a woman's attraction to men as well. A woman's choice in men is always driven purely by hormones, and birth-control alters their hormonal mix, in some a bit and in others a lot.
Which creates other issues - a women on the pill likes completely different guys, from when she is off the pill. And once she realises this, it begins to drive her nuts because she starts having a major identity crisis

>>519410919
You spend too much time on line. I seldom see women out there trying to uphold the standards of internet beauty to the extent you describe it. Most women have jobs, eat real food, and show themselves to be run down by the end of the day. Like porn, the internet has created unrealistic expectations for how women act or appear.

>>519411149
>Did you explain to them that women dying from childbirth has been extremely rare in the civilized world for the past century?
yeah, have you tried making sense to a woman before? You know they don't like hearing logic, right? Women always think and communicate in emotions/feelings, and if they use words its only because they wrap those emotions and feelings into something that can be communicated and digested.

But they also mention getting their thyroid messed up by childbirth, which seems to be a common issue for many women, and can lead to many problems for health and body shape/image

>>519408255 (OP)
Let me guess, they are all on anti-birth pills that are fucking up their psyche through hormones.

>>519411260
I'm telling you what women report to me, they are the ones complaining about beauty standards. Not me. Take it or leave it.
P.S. I work in a large company and half of the people I have to deal with are women. I wouldn't say whatever you just said is true.

>>519410131
women will say this and watch their species go extinct because it doesn't work with their "live laugh love" philosophy

>>519410131
does society hate men? or do institutions hate men? I don't know any individual person who hates men.

>>519411277
BTW, this is why ancient civilizations were always strongly patriarchal.

>>519410131
Women like to run shit but end up getting smacked in the mouth

>>519411149
They probably listed off incomprehensible excuses like self actualization and career, having a man they can trust, financial instability and the like. OP probably just stared at them glassy eyed and drooling so they used an excuse he could understand: I don’t want to die. All women are pretty up to speed on the birthing process, the pain, the mess, the slight possibility of dying. It’s those other facets in life that OP doesn’t want to acknowledge that prevents women from having kids these days.

>>519411499
the women who love men will be more likely to spread their genes. nasty white women get the darwin award.
t. proud father

>>519410138
Probably helps that grandma didn't have to lay on a bed fighting gravity.
Medical malpractice is in all layers of medical attention.

Lay on the bed, that makes birthing more painful and more difficult.
Deliver right now, don't wait for more dilation it's safe now, yes we know it's too tight we don't care just do it now we need the bed back.
What do you mean you wanna let the umbilical cord stay until it falls off on its own? We're cutting that baby up right now just wait *snip* aww dammit got all that fucking vitamin fluid and important nutritional goodness all over my scrubs.

But besides that are all the whores who can't have kids themselves anymore or have some sort of traumatic sob story from their childhood they never resolved, and devote their family time to scaring the everliving shit out of nieces and friends about childbirth and pregnancy and raising kids.
The stupid thing is that after a few years, kids can handle themselves with most things. They can take a shit, they can piss, they can wipe their ass, they can wash their hands, they can take a shower, they can get water to drink, they know where the fruit bowl is and how to detect bad fruit, they know where the lemonade is and if they're smart they know how to make it too by 6 years old.
The rest is child's play. Literally, hanging out with your kid who loves you if you've been a good mommy.
But if you've been a really shit mommy who abused the shit out of her kid and lied to him about everything from where he was born and who he was born to, all the way to false medical diagnoses and total abandonment by the family and why they did that, then yeah you're right to be scared of your son coming to your bed one night to cut you a new cunt where your throat is right now.

>women are retarded
sky = blue
water = wet
what is = is

who'd a thunk

>>519411611
>It’s those other facets in life
there are literally no other facets to speak of.
Birth is declining in most safest, advanced, and easy-to-survive societies. And you're well aware of this fact. The easier life gets - the less birth occurs.

Good times turn women into weaklings, who are scared of absolutely everything.

>>519411173
The fuck it is lol go meet a real woman anon

>>519411766
seems like you never dealt with a woman if you don't know how impactful hormones are on their life

>>519411766
Birth control makes them dyke out
When they are ovulating they want masculine dudes inside them

Do women get told scary stuff in sex ed class or something?

>>519411499
>>519411522
>>519411549
>realizing you're a nasty person is too tough for my weak psyche, better sperg out online

>>519411499
There are 8 billion of us. If we face extinction in the foreseeable future, it won't be due to low birth rates.

>>519411873
it really depends, many women have to change birthcontrol pills because there is no 1 single pill that fits all women.
Why? Because each pill has very different effects on the hormones, and on average women who go on a pill have to experiment with 3-4 different brands before they find something workable. But it always comes with some downsides.

I know of a female classmate from uni who told her story about what happened to her sister when she went on birth control for the first time. She went absolutely batshit crazy, and destroyed her relationship with all her relatives. It was bad

>>519411022
It's like steroids for women and fucks them up. Men who take steroids become infertile too.

>>519412052
It’s generally estradiol which is incredibly potent

>>519411173
Interesting theory. Usually the pill convinces a women’s body that she’s pregnant so yeah, the desire for sex is somewhat stifled, especially when they first go on it. But not to the extent it’s gone or can’t be woken with minimal effort. Many women that are on the pill have chosen so because they are sexually active, whether in a committed relationship or just by their nature.

Not sure what you’re talking about regarding taste in men. I think they’d be less picky when on the pill because there is little likelihood that they’ll be stuck with an ugly dad should they get pregnant. Being off the pill, they are far more careful about who they sleep with and who may father their child.

>>519411901
Boomer parents had a way of making pregnancy seem like a life ruining curse. As a millennial, the boomer reaction to our generation's pregnancies have been extremely negative. They are never happy for you when you break the news to them.

>>519408255 (OP)
Women died in childbirth all the time you retard. God how are the incels on here this stupid

>>519411171
Shut up, Jeet. No one asked for your opinion.

>>519412293
It was nature's way of making sure the gender stays looking like Venus figurines instead of dyking out to compete with men.

>>519412248
>Many women that are on the pill have chosen so because they are sexually active, whether in a committed relationship or just by their nature.
Out of all women that I know of who are on the pill, chose it to avoid suffering debilitating period cramps. They had to take days off from work just to handle the pain, and with the pill they no longer need to sacrifice work hours.

As for sex - most women don't have sex very often (most aren't hoes as the internet likes us to believe), and risking blood-clots just to get laid a few times isn't really on their shopping list.
Women who are in long-term relationships though do indeed choose the pill, because dealing with condoms several times a day is both a hassle and extremely expensive once the cost adds up. With my ex we sometimes did it 3 times per day

>>519408255 (OP)
>whose supposed natural instinct is to make babies
It's not an instinct it's a result of sex, sex that was forced for most of history. See how many women get on birth control when it's available.

It's so funny seeing men pull their hair out once they realise that women with quality education and employment opportunities would rather a career than to be some 2/10s breeding sow like they were forced to be in the past.

>>519412606
men and women don't function the same
and the fact that women were scammed into believing they will be happy if they pursue male goals is what's ruinning women's lives today

>>519408255 (OP)
It’s asinine women have been completely propagandized to think that having a child is the worse thing in the world for them

It’s actually insane

Pelvic floor is so weak that running feels like my ovaries are being gouged out but it's not like I can ever get a man because I'm a femcel anyway

>>519408255 (OP)
I feel very connected to ancient gooners, they just had rocks and chisels but knew the perfect hips / boobs / ass ratio to create gooners masterpiece that could survive centuries if not millenniums

>>519411149
>arguing facts with holes

>>519408255 (OP)
you just know them ancient niggas was busting fat nuts to that statue

>>519412744
gooncestors if you will

>>519412072
It’s not even close to steroids. It causes their bodies to produce a few hormones that convince it that it’s pregnant. Most women tolerate the pill quite well and are less emotional during their periods as the periods are more regulated and often lighter and shorter in duration. Occasionally there are women that don’t tolerate the more popular pill but there are variations that create the same effect preventing the egg from dropping and the risk of pregnancy. Decades ago, birth control for women offered concerns of possible cancer and severe mood swings in depression. As it turned out, the pill contained 10x the amount of hormones required to be effective. This is what most conspiracy theory surrounding the pill is based on: decades old research and data mixed in with modern Christian theory designed to discourage the use of the pill.

>>519412293
We're here due to reproduction, so obviously reproduction is worth the risk.

>>519412606
>be woman
>trade your desirable genetics and best years of reproductive health to participate in jewish daycare

This isn't the epic win that you're making it out to be

>>519412827
not sure about your scientific papers, but all I know is that women from my generation - those who went on the pill - reported having shitloads of problems, and long adaptation period

>>519412911
>thinking women have any concept of lineage and posterity

LMAO. Women will happily let their line collapse and nations die

They don’t give a fuck about that stuff

>>519408255 (OP)
>And all of them seem to have a similar answer: they're scared of childbirth. Many feel like they wouldn't survive it, or it would fuck up their health beyond recovery.

Jewish SOCIALIST depopulation propaganda.

It's even pushed on here. "Don't have kids over 25 years old, they will be dumb! Reeeee!" when humans have been having kids at all ages for hundreds of thousands of years.

>>519412266
Unless you’re planning a pregnancy- even in marriage— the resulting pregnancy could have devastating repercussions on a young person or couple’s life.

>>519408255 (OP)
They have no reason to exist then

To deny your own biological purpose is essentially suicide on an existential level

>>519412606
That's coming back regardless, tho. I mean, either the white race starts reproducing again, or the mudshits and niggers inherit this planet. Those animals don't put up with your girlboss life.

>>519412293
>i shouldn’t do the thing that my body is literally made to do and is the purpose of life
>goes extinct

>>519412983
Fuck off. Pregnancy isn't an inconvenience, or a set-back, or a complicating factor in a young person's life. It's the main attraction. It's the entire purpose.

>>519408255 (OP)

Nothing changed about their biology

Communists convinced them pregnancy was an illness and not a miracle

>>519408255 (OP)
Women are livestock

>>519408255 (OP)
In their defense, there's a ton of anti-natalist (white-only) propaganda.
>But something changed about female biology
It did. There was a study a few years ago that showed women born from c-sections had lower average hip-to-waist ratio. Maybe there's a psychological change too?

>>519412606
Women have sealed their fate the future for them is one of open oppression instead of the soft reverence they chose to scorn and destory form 60 years ago

Now they will actually get treated as property

regardless of whether women die or become crippled from childbirth or not, and regardless of what their weird-fantasy reasons are to avoid performing their main natural function

what we can all agree on, is that women in rich countries chose to "stop playing the game of life".
You can die from many things, and you can become crippled or ill from many things - it's natural selection after all. But you cannot be selected at all, if you're not even participating in the selection anymore. You're automatically ejected from the gene pool.

And while I understand why some men would choose to stop playing - since historically men had many existential functions, like building or defending societies, and less than half of males ever had the chance to reproduce. It becomes really concerning when females - most of whom reproduced historically (at least on a grander scale than males did) - choose to voluntarily opt out. - this is an extremely severe indicator that something broke in our species, and scientists aren't paying enough attention to this. The issue seems to remain solely in the hands of sociologists, but sociologists don't solve problems, they only come up with bs excuses for everything in life

It’s insane the number of you that have made it to mature adulthood without realizing that you quite literally can never take what women say at face value. The truth is always unsaid and can only be apprehended via observation or reading between the lines.

So if you think this fear is actually the reason they won’t have kids you’re very fucking mistaken.

>>519413155
It is just natural selection. The baby and the mother are supposed to die on child birth if she can't deliver it naturally. If you deliver a baby with C-Section the next generation is likely to require C-Section as well. Do that over multiple generations and you create another human sub-race that requires highly trained surgeons to deliver babies. It is insane.

>>519411171
It happens. Even in the west. 13 out of a 100 thousand died in 2022 in the uk.

>>519408255 (OP)
Women don’t know what they want, beyond “more” and “something else”. My wife can not decide what she wants to eat. Granting them self-determination was a mistake.

>>519413322
>So if you think this fear is actually the reason they won’t have kids you’re very fucking mistaken.
If you observe women enough, you will know that they are health-freaks, and panic about every little issue or cramp in their body.
So their fear of childbirth altering their health or body is pretty legit, even if you refuse to listen to their words

>>519413442
>13 out of a 100 thousand

>>519408255 (OP)
It's not biology
Jewish propaganda is working on them

>>519409903
Literally this, they call us "manchild" when they want to be 14 forever, just with no consequences for their actions

>>519412293
No they don’t. Less than 2% in the US

>>519408255 (OP)
All of your females are malnourished, anon. It would *literally* fuck up their health forever. I have known mothers who say they almost lost all their teeth because they got pregnant. It’s fucked up that our food quality has gone down to drastically within 50 years….

I believe Op and I believe all those women truly ARE afraid.

>>519408255 (OP)
Women choose the worst of men. I would be scared to have a baby too. Thank heavens I am single.

>>519408255 (OP)
My gf just had a 4 days period delay.
She was happy about the idea being a mother I think because she's too young to understand responsibilities (she's 5 years younger than me)
I was literally stressed as hell
Life is so expensive here, I barely have have enough money go on dates or go to a bar with my friends which now seems like a luxury.
Holly fuck I realized that sex is not just fun in can mean life changing responsibilities, also I realized that I'm a broke loser. I don't know how to improve my poor fag life getting promotions is hard and getting secondary incomes too.

>>519408255 (OP)
Isnt that a zutt woman?

>>519413565
it's a pretty common reason, but i don't think it's as big a problem as it seems.


i'm not saying it's not a problem, but i think the solution is to get them to learn to deal with pain.

>>519413444
When women say “they don’t know what to have for dinner”, it is them thinking about YOU and what You would want vs what She would want. She doesn’t know because You are her world now, why are you asking her? YOURE the hunter in this relationship, WHY THE FUCK are you asking the Gatherer?? GO KILL THE FUCKING MEAT YOU WORTHLESS EXCUSE. Women aren’t hard to understand like at all and then people blame them for their own nature. It’s really fucked up.

>>519414080
This is such an insane cope man. We call women solipsistic but you tradcucks really take the cake.

>>519413069
I guess if you’re a caveman. Humans have advanced quite a lot since the days of reproductive urgency. People get married now because they share commonalities, have blessing they desire to share, understand the financial benefits of combining their lives together.

Christians hate the pill because sex should have consequences; babies are a punishment for unmarried women and unwed couples. Chuds hate the pill because it’s hard to trap a woman using pregnancy as an excuse if she’s on the pill plus it eats at their soul knowing some woman is having sex with someone else and not bearing the consequences. It’s all about control and you’re being denied that control.

If you guys were even halfway earnest about the need to produce, you’d quit whining about how terrible women were and actually make some efforts at socializing with them. Secondly, you’d stay the fuck out of everyone else’s business by not telling them who they can and cannot date. Do that and maybe someone might take you clowns more seriously.

>>519408255 (OP)
The ancients were of course, coomers. That's why I feel no shame. It is normal to be a coomer. That sculpture is proof.

>>519408255 (OP)
>they're scared of childbirth
Women have always been scared of childbirth. Your first child used to have a significant chance of actually killing you in the past. It's just a cope. The reality is that these women voluntarily became part of the cunt carousel and no man has actually seen them an appropriate mother for their children. Higher class women sleep with higher class men, and higher class men aren't inclined to have baby mamas. This means that these femcels are relegated to forever girlfriends until either her or her boyfriend monkeybranch to a better prospect. The child free lifestyle is just a post hoc cope so they don't have to accept that the men they are into don't actually want them.

>>519414393
I don't care if you need to dream up philosophical coping mechanisms for removing yourself from the gene pool, but don't act like being a casualty of natural selection makes you superior

>>519414054
4 days is literally nothing. It’s also why a lot of women are on the pill: regular periods without wondering if they’re pregnant (if sexually active).

>>519412030
>There are 8 billion of us.

>>519413624
Men will say shit like this but cry about getting drafted

>>519414186
Projecting your incompetence and perhaps, excusing your own lack of intellect, just shows you that we have grown opulent and demand a lessor of our species to become like us. I wouldn’t except a jack russel to be like a Doberman. Are you insane??

>>519408255 (OP)
I didn't shit for like 3 weeks so when that turd football finally broke loose it tore my asshole into a pussy. Now it's a loose sloppy mess and it looks like my anus got Botox injections and is doing duck face. I can't fart without physically spreading my asshole apart. I can understand being afraid of shitting out a kid.

>>519408255 (OP)
I'm a femanon who recently became a mom

I'm not scared of fucking up my body or health, if I die then I die, it's my purpose to give birth. My dad raised me telling me that's my super power, that's what women are made to do.

My major fear during my pregnancy was the fear of shackling my husband and family with insermountable debt from the hospital in the event of my death.

>>519413612
Having a baby is a little different than just ditching class. The consequences can remain with you for life.

Consequences in this case means life long punishment. So yeah, I can see from their perspective on not wanting to be held accountable for their actions.

>>519408255 (OP)
yet they don't want to fuck you

>>519414910
If you understand women so much, answer this question: why do women get so excited when men do stupid shit?

>>519414699
For me those 4 days were a rain of thoughts regarding problems and how to fix them I will start using condoms, until I stop being poor

>>519408255 (OP)
The Timmies are coming, the Timmies are coming!

>>519408255 (OP)
The problem with Lithuania woman is that they are already too westernized, if you want to marry white and a normal wife is either Ukrainian (for now) or Russian/Belarusian.

>>519414967
That's heartbreaking.

>>519408255 (OP)
Women are scared of kids because they don't want them to be the piece of shit to them that they were to their Dad.

>>519408255 (OP)
Yet they will drive a 10k lb car while on Instagram and putting makeup on at the same time while also driving at 90mph.

>>519414393
>People get married now because they share commonalities, have blessing they desire to share, understand the financial benefits of combining their lives together.
Nah, people aren't getting married at all anymore. Our whole civilization since it's inception like 8000 years ago was built on coercing people into marriage. Now that that's out the window for hedonism's sake, our civ is collapsing. This was completely predictable. Men and women have never been free outside of caveman life. Caveman life is the most free we can be, and what we're headed for. If you want shit like doctors and accountants you have to deal with living civilized, which means you're not free. Men less so than women.

>If you guys were even halfway earnest about the need to produce, you’d quit whining about how terrible women were and actually make some efforts
Nah, no point in that. Everyone can see it's over.

>>519414896
There are 8 billion zutts

>>519414672
I have kids, both planned, both grew up in a loving household where money, incompatibility, education, etc was an issue. Not wealthy but we were ready to have kids together when it was time.

>>519415345
Your kids have no future, being part of a rapidly dying race. They will either be slaves to lesser people, or dead.

>>519415146
I can't believe how much of a whore she is

>>519415087
You need to be more specific. Like when men are into street racing or are about to get into a fight? Or when men take out a lean on their car so they can go on vacation for two weeks to be Bahamas?

Most women like to see their man actually be a man, being forceful n shieet. It gets their pussies wet.

Most women don’t want to see their men get hurt by doing dumb shit like walking up a ladder while drunk.

Most women hate to see their men spending their savings on booze.

I need specifics, my guy.

>>519410131
I don't know what you mean, society is White men, I don't consider women a part of society for existing near White men any more than I do a mosquito, who is similarly here just to suck blood. I don't feel hated by society, I am society, and it is just facing external threats from subhumans which need to be met with the violence that is the only communication they can understand.

>>519415316
They actually are- the ones that are out there dating and have healthy relationships away from the influence of the internet.

>>519410131
>Waaaahhhh, men tell me things I don't want to hear!!!!
Honesty shows far more respect than affirming lies.

>>519415432
Lol, all those words to avoid saying "I don't know." Women get pussy tingles from seeing their man humiliated.
>Mine doesn't
LOL

>>519415520
Way, way too few. And out of the few who do, most of those end up in broken marriages.

>>519408255 (OP)
>Women are-
Stopped reading right there. If you give a fuck about what some smoothbrained overgrown preeteen with tits says or does, then you are fundamentally worthless. A bottle of water is worth more than a woman's opinion. A mechanical pencil is worth more than a woman's opinion. A ceramic bowl is worth more than a woman's opinion. An angle grinder is worth more than a woman's opinion. An attention whore shemale's onlyfans page is worth more than a woman's opinion. Hell, even a pile of shit has more value than a woman's opinion. In fact, a pile of shit can be turned into fertilizer to grow food and that same pile of shit can also be turned into gallons of fuel that can be used in a truck that can transport that food to a warehouse in bulk.

>>519408255 (OP)
Wow it's almost like we took women, who have never decided significant things for themselves for a million years of evolutionary history, and gave them legal superiority to men, and then gave them roughly infinity drugs from cradle to grave.

>>519415425
They will be mind control slaves
Everyone will be

>>519415425
One’s engaged and completing her doctorate, the other manages a business. I’d say they have a fighting chance at survival.

>>519415615
Nah, high tech civilization is not going to survive the collapse of the white race. The future is cavemen, not transhumanist bullshit.

>>519415681
Nope, zero chance. A doctorate doesn't help much with the brown hordes.

>>519410131
Faggots will invent strawmen and then cry about them as if they're real.

>>519408255 (OP)
women love attention they get during pregnancy but hate kids, that's why so many are killing their own children now. before most tolerated it since husbands provided everything including raising their children while women acted as daycare centers. I do like acceleration we're experiencing, means TKD is near

>>519415569

I thought it was all about making babies, not about a successful relationship.

>>519411022
Just ignore how psychotic and slutty they become after prolonged us.

>>519415681
Kek, a perfect recipe for .5 children. Pic related.

>>519415719
Whatever. I’ll break it gently to her next time we meet up. I’m sure she’ll be devastated.

>>519415789
SIngle moms is how incels are made. Do you know nothing about the demographic you're criticizing? Try actually talking a bit with all the incels here instead of trying to lecture them, and maybe you'll learn a thing or two. Every single incel here is raised by a single mom.

But still. Yes, it's mostly about making babies. But there's no turning that boat now. It's over for our race, and this planet in general, so just do whatever you want.

>>519415758
>TKD
Taekwondo?

>>519415884
Nah, she'd never get it, just like you. You're like those retards on the titanic or whatever, partying in your fancy dresses while the ship sinks, kek.

My kids however will have a fighting chance, but that's only because I raise them completely 100% isolated from society.

>>519415682
It's already here lil nigga
All this race shit is a distraction

>>519415936
yes, in minecraft.. latest mod everyone raving about

>>519408255 (OP)
I want to fuck the cartoon and I want to fuck the statue

>>519410138
you realize most people loving today wouldn't have made past birth or their mother would have died without modern medicine. Most people born in the last 100 years escaped the filter that claimed better specimens.

>>519415966
Why would you trust some navy intel faggot, all those people do is disinfo all day long.

>>519408255 (OP)
what theyre actually afraid of is having a baby with a weak husband who doesnt kill divorce judges before they become a problem but plans to beg them later. men who dont kill divorce judges arent interested in marriage and basically just want a live in prostitute but also to pay her way less than she deserves because theyre cheap and poor because they lack the vision to make money or kill divorce judges

>>519409941
We're all casualties of the postmodern gender war
https://youtu.be/VrXQYTFfzgE

>>519409903
Bingo.

>>519408255 (OP)
by health they mean “sexual market value”.
They know childbirth will result in getting fat (because they’re lazy) and then means chad will stop fucking them behind their husband’s back.

>>519415541
Wtf are you talking about? You seriously pulled a “gotcha!!1!” on /pol/? How much of a loser are you in real life?

>tries to give advice
>asks to be more specific to give better advice
>LOL UR STOOPID

God, I can’t hate Europeans ENOUGH

>>519416093
Takes one to know one

>>519416097
Anon, I encourage you to become a divorce judge. It’s relatively easy, no law degree required iirc, and you can literally deny people divorces all day long and send them to church counseling or some shit to “work out their differences”. Imagine how much good you could do.

>>519416117
male identifying clumps of cells that dont proactively kill divorce judges are as alive as sea sponges

>>519408255 (OP)
>i talked to women
no you didn't lol

>>519416117
Cool vid thx

>>519408255 (OP)
to be fair childbirth did fuck up my wife and we had to stop at 2

There were Matriarchal Societies that still functioned, but they specifically empowered mothers, not young unmarried women.

(Like the one the Venus of Wilendorf was one, think massive obese on crops fertility goddess body that’s plapped out 16 kids and is pampered and praised and spoiled for being such a good breeder and all the men listen to her )

>>519416712
What happened?
Is it true that they turn fat?

>>519416429
haha no. government officials are personally liable for ultra vires actions and divorce law is very clear even though it contradicts whats written down. but when it comes to enslaving the man, the law is clearly written because slavery of would-be husbands is universally accepted

>>519416712
Get a second wife then, if your wife doesn't work properly.

>>519410919
>most men don't give a shit and can date a 6/10 easy
for what purpose?

>>519416905
>Pic real
Poor man, Hell on earth.

>>519414967
Girl you need to get help. Thinking of yourself like a broodmare whose life is worthless is just sad and pathetic. Cant imagine bragging about that

>>519408255 (OP)
i see it online near everyday since i hangout in womens spaces online. its women scaring each other on social media, maybe even jewish tricks. they constantly share anecdotal horror stories of sex and pregnancy. but are they true or not? who knows? nobody asks for sources, just stories to keep the fear mongering going. its all emotionally driven fear-based scare tactics.

>dont have anal sex or you'll get a stomy bag! (colostomy bag)
>dont get pregnant or your body will be destroyed! (stretch marks)
>men are evil avoid them at all costs (a black guy broke into a home)
>porn is evil and needs to be banned (some 17 year old got her nudes shared one time somewhere maybe)

women love drama and horror so they keep telling each other bullshit all day which makes them wary of men, sex, and having kids irl

>>519409903
This is always rich coming from conservatives who bank all their grievances on blaming scapegoats to avoid blaming themselves.

>>519409941
You know what's crazy im not because I had a kid 14 years ago. Im still a piece of shit but I put him above myself in every circumstance and try to make sure his life is better than mine was. Im worse than my dad in some ways and better than him in everyway I actually tried to be. He has girlfriends and I have a boat I just restored that I hope I can take my grand kids out on to keep this whole process going.

>>519412827
>It causes their bodies to produce a few hormones
Duh, it's the same thing with anabolic steroids. You take them it shuts down your natural production of testosterone. Birth control pill is just estrogen steroids for women that does the same thing for them. It's crazy to think that steroids are freely available and promoted for women, but when it comes to men and steroids it's instantly a police issue.

They're just gaslighting you, it's just that they don't want kids from you specifically (remember women always think you're hitting on them by just saying any words to them), and they don't want the responsibility neither.

>>519412606
There is no such thing as career or money in nature. You have to imagine those things are real. It's a mental illness.

Genetics are real and having children and the urge to have children is natural and real. It's the only thing that matters.

Your money stops existing as soon as people forget about it or there is some calamity that snaps you out of the delusion.

>>519408255 (OP)
this statuette was found in a sealed clay jar, full of unidentified material

>>519408255 (OP)
It's the pill, they already think they're pregnant and then are scared of their own bodily functions. If you encourage them in it they become less ashamed of their woman and motherhood as for instance my wife didn't want children and hated her period when we first met and started dating and now brings having babies up every other day and is very comfortable with her period now since I told her it's hot that she's capable of siring my children. Pic unrelated I just think this nip has amazing thighs and want to talk about them

>>519408255 (OP)
The amount of anti-childbirth propaganda shoved down their throat is staggering. Just check the current catalog and you'll see there are threads shilling that home birth is deadly

>>519412030
At current trajectories we will be down 4 billion in 100 years

>>519408255 (OP)
Young women always say they don’t want kids. They get baby rabies when time is about to take away the option from the table.

>>519417181
Is reading comprehension not your strong suit? I never said I thought my life was worthless. I have the ability to grow life and give it, that is incredible and I'm so happy that I'm able to do this.
The life I create is worth more than my own and I would do anything to insure my children's health and wellbeing. Again, my only fear is shackling my family with debt, if I die in childbirth then I'll have died knowing I achieved my purpose in life.

Your values are not my values.

>>519408255 (OP)
their biology hasn't changed retard, it's the jews that got into her head. If anything changed it's male instinct to protect their People from these disease spreading rats.

>>519417903
high testosterone men might revolt. It’s an intentional pacificiation measure.

>>519410131
Like most Australians, you're nothing more than a castrated, self-hating white cuck who kisses the feet of boongs, spreads his cheeks for immigrants and supported the singing of Welcome to Country on Anzac Day

>>519418876
In terms of reproduction it's still bad because roid trannies can't breed without further medical intervention.

>>519418672
Post tits.

>>519418487
Just 100 years ago, the population was under 2 billion. Why is this even a bad thing?

>>519419217
It's the composition that's the problem.

>>519408255 (OP)
doesn't this statue debunk the feminist narrative that men used to like their fat uncurvey bodies?

>>519419326
Too many old people or too many of "those" people?

>>519408255 (OP)
But bro, they know about sperm and egg cells.
They know about fashion. They read books.

Let`s import brown women and die out by the next 2-3 generations.

>>519418057
>Be a human, natural
>have a career and money
>Muh career isn't le nature
STFU, i am natural, i have a career ergo its natural

>>519419217
>Fell for the psyop

>>519412743
You'll never be a woman no matter how hard you larp. Tits or get the FUCK out. You're a tranny tho, so fuck off. YWNBAW

>>519418570
> They get baby rabies when time is about to take away the option from the table.
Who in his right mind would want them at that point, I already find the women my age too problematic for a relationship. Luckily I have no interest in children myself so it doesnt bother me much. But if I were the family type of guy I would be very worried.

>>519408255 (OP)
zoomers will have no kids
total population collapse

>>519420403
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eMAmRER0y8

Nice try, retard.

>>519419477
Yeah, those people.

>>519419843
Every idea is impermanent and has to be learned (brainwashed into you) during your lifetime. In time it'll be forgotten, it's only a matter of how long it takes. Instincts on the other hand are real even without having to think about it. We are born with a set of instincts needed for survival. Once we hit puberty we naturally want to start to reproduce.

>>519412030
>us

>>519411149
Its rare in the civilized world but common in your country.
A fourth degree tear is no fun whatever you think you saw in a Legal Porno video.

>>519421761
You are stupid

>>519422562
Stupid people are less delusional. High IQ people don't live in reality.

>>519422614
It depends

>>519422124
I was talking about humans as whole, you nitwit.

>>519412743
>Pelvic floor is so weak
Kegel balls and exercises will help with that. it's amazing how clueless many women are.

>>519412983
Wrong faggot. A homeless drug addict with a child has succeeded in life and a 40 year Lawyer living alone in a $5 million mansion has failed. Literally nothing is worse than failing to reproduce.

>>519408255 (OP)
But women are kids mentally, emotionally and shallow ego wise.

>>519411614
Amount of sex doesn't correlate with amount of birth in post contraception society.

>>519408255 (OP)
The only women that should be scared are bitches with severe asthma.

>>519421107
>Argument heavily relies on inbreeding
>Examples for this are Einstein (jew), and royal families
Retard

>>519421761
>Once we hit puberty we naturally want to start to reproduce.
Doesn't work with contraception trick.
Human intellect outplayed nature lust and orgasm tricks. Check mate nature!

>>519408255 (OP)
There are two causes for this.
1 - Antinatalist propaganda
2 - Them having a choice.

There's so much propaganda exaggerating the risks and costs of having children. People are constantly told that kids are extremely expensive and that something will go terribly wrong during pregnancy or childbirth.
Hospitals also want to poison and cripple your children in dozens of different ways so if you have kids there's a chance that the hospitals will mess them up for life with their "medications" if you know what I mean.

Then there's the fact that women have never been asked for their opinion on this (as it should be). Having kids has never been a choice or something that was planned. You got married and you had kids. The man didn't ask her for her opinion, he just fucked her pregnant (as it should be). With ALL women, the rule is always as follows: IF YOU HAVE TO ASK, THE ANSWER IS NO. A man takes what's his.

Men also shouldn't be expected to perform their gender role of building and maintaining literally EVERYTHING women have and enjoy in the modern world if women can refuse to perform their gender role of getting pregnant and giving us kids.

>>519408255 (OP)
Modern women are 100% useless

The older she is, the harder childbirth will be.
So of course they hear horror stories from 35yo roastoids about how their crusty, inelastic holes get torn apart.
They should only be giving birth under 30.
Hell, if she does it early and still wants to be a "boss bitch" with a "career", she can do it after the child becomes a more or less independent teenager.

>>519424829
You obviously missed the point of the video, retard.

>>519425256
>They should only be giving birth under 30.
That's like 15 years too late.

>>519410131
Have you tried not lashing out immediately and outing yourself?

>>519410202
>>519410919
before porn and internet it was magazines women would read these, the media provided some for every age group as early as teenagers and preteen magazines with comic figures and such to lure children, they had make up and chokers ( i kid you not ) as "extra gimmicks" coming with them. this was ~20 years ago, nowadays almost no kid reads these anymore, they all have smartphones where they get groomed with and care only about their allowances with which they buy whatever the marketing conditions them to

>>519408255 (OP)
Nothing changed, and you find it odd because you don't understand how women think and how they communicate.

There are undeniably societal factors around women's careers, lifestyles and self-esteem that make them scared of having children. That's one thing. But being scared of childbirth is a normal reaction as it is a painful and gruesome experience if you look at it from a cold, detached perspective. But the moment a woman in her fertile period sees her neighbour playing with the baby, all rationalisation goes through the window and she won't shut up about how badly she wants a baby. That's how it is, that's how it always has been.

"I don't want to marry and have children because I'm scared of childbirth" is a cope. It might be true that they don't fantasise being the housewives with 5 children some chuds here would like to marry, but most women actually will marry as soon as presented with a valid opportunity and will also eventually have children. Sometimes they fall in love and marry men without being able to present any acceptable explanations to their families as to why they picked the husbands they did. In all matters are love, women are completely irrational and often oblivious or in denial about this fact. Men may or may not be the same, but that's a different discussion.

My point is that asking questions of this kind to women is a waste of time. If you're a procrastinator, an addict, have anger control issues or any other kind of vice that you just can't seem to get a hold of, you should understand very well what it is like to have different experiences when thinking about the matter at hand and actually experiencing it. Ask a woman about her type, and in a year you'll see her madly in love with a man who doesn't fit her description in the slightest. Your mother who said she wouldn't babysit your children now doesn't want them out of her home. That "independent" girl you fancy won't say no if you make her hear race.

>>519408255 (OP)
Imagine being born to a woman born after 1995? Imagine your father. Both mired in this fake and gay world.

>>519425256
It's one of the reasons established men will look for a much younger wife when they're done banging sluts.

>>519412266
>As a millennial, the boomer reaction to our generation's pregnancies have been extremely negative. They are never happy for you when you break the news to them.


It's true, im not letting them around my kids.

>>519426972
I've read stories here of guys who wanted to break the generational curse of circumcision, and their Boomer parents asked them to have their kid for a short while, and they immediately went to the hospital to get him circumcised behind their backs and acted like it wasn't a big deal.

Truly the most horrible generation in history.

>>519408255 (OP)
Jews have run a non stop fear campaign about giving vaginal childbirth, pretending its the worst thing ever.

I've had multiple mothers admit to me privately that it's not much different in feeling to doing a very large, painful shit. It comes naturally and women who give natural childbirth are up and walking about immediately afterwards.

The lies white women have been told are wild.

>>519426709
Unfathomably based leaf.

im doing the same since im 32 and woman didnt want a hard working man, 18-24 or fuck off.

>>519427097
Yeah, shit like that is real, i retracted my foreskin as a kid accidentally and my mom wanted to get me mutilated, my brothers dad talked her out of her insanity.
then i wasnt allowed to work out, but i could get the surgery to put a wire around my stomach.
i was also tortured with dull hair clippers, as were many others.

If someone pulled a stunt like that with my child, i would use a framing hammer on their legs, and wait 2mins between each hit and slowly work up their entire legs.

Child Mutilators get the framing hammer.

women don't want kids with pajeets. pajeets should be posting on bharatchan and living on the subcontinent

>>519427097
also the boomers in my family tree are all kid fuckers who covered for eachother, then went on to be holier-than thou fuck wads.

finding out there were a few sexual preadators and kid fuckers in the family who were covered for was the deciding factor in never talking to them again, or allowing them to be around my kids, in any capacity what so ever.

Their not going to be allowed in any capacity to be involved in their lives until age 18, after they read a copy of my mental health record and see everything they put me though.

and they have to pay child support ontop of that for access, cause they love depriving kids of their parents unless they pay child support

>then wonder why their babydaddys refuse to pay child support.

>>519412936
>spends all the money from her career on overpriced coffee, makeup and clothes which then gets thrown away when the cats eat her

there was never any good reason to share a country, a language, or the internet with pajeets

>>519412248
>theory
Taking the pill changes women's attractiveness to male faces (specifically, attracfiveness to masculine traits decreases):
https://doi.org/10.1016/j.psyneuen.2013.02.014
Taking the pill affects your resction to loved ones:
https://doi.org/10.1093/scan/nsv157
Taking the pill negatively affects odour preferences:
https://doi.org/10.1098/rspb.2008.0825

These are but a few, there is ample evidence that hormones completely change you (like of course they do, that's what hormones do). Not all is negative, but it pretty fundamentally undermines all this individualolism crap.

>>519410131
Go back faggot

>>519408255 (OP)
I wish I had kids in my 20s

>>519408255 (OP)
>Femcels
>Existing
Not reading the rest of your post tbqh

>>519419217
Because the world will go to shit and it will cause people to have even fewer kids. Despite the scary looking graph, fertility rates have been dropping since the 1700s and won't stop falling anytime soon. This isn't going to stop

>>519408255 (OP)
Some are scared and others just plop them out as easily as it takes a normal person to shit. They find them in fast food restrooms and apartment dumpsters all the time.

>>519408255 (OP)
do they live in the fucking 1500s? the probability of permanent disability or death from pregnancy or childbirth today with standard healthcare (which is covered in your country) is like 1/100,000. seriously, when was the last time you even heard of someone dying during childbirth.

>>519408255 (OP)
i have 3 girlfriends and all of them have my children
you're poor and not good looking
modernity and the removal of cringe religions have brought women back to tribal life, where they want the chieftain's children
they all live with their parents or alone btw i only visit to see my children and fuck them

>>519409903
This

Also having children and liking them would be an admission that they were wrong about feminism, and women never admit fault

>>519413069
It is when you can only rent and barely afford groceries as is

>>519426972
Good thinking anon. If I ever were to have kids I would only let them near my boomER parents under direct supervision. They have fucked me up in oh so many ways and I would not want those monsters to do the same to my own spawn.

>>519429191
Well, i was labeled a problem kid and beaten into submission starting age 4.

They told me i deserved it because of who my father is, im not letting them do the same to my kids...
also if i was asked a question and i didn't immediately give an answer i got a blow to the face, no exceptions.

Grandmother covered up child abuse, and is a sadist who abuses people, likes to use dull hair clippers on people, and once cut my brothers hair in his sleep after being told not too, and he didnt want it.

Honestly, i'd probably kill them if they ever came within visual distance of my children.

>>519428586
Sure thing bulgatateanon....
I also have a harem of (formerly) virgin Stacies who all carry my children. The secret is to betabuxx. Women are all whores so they will have your children for a price.

>>519408255 (OP)
Why does the cartoon match everything except being topless?

>>519429322
>Grandmother covered up child abuse, and is a sadist who abuses people, likes to use dull hair clippers on people, and once cut my brothers hair in his sleep after being told not too, and he didnt want it.
Sounds pretty mild, my dad just beat the fuck out of me in front of a whole dojo because he was a sensei. Happened twice a week for 3 years. Mom just slapped me around whenever I had the nerve to express my conflicting opinion.
BoomERs really do not like when their opinions are not considered to be absolute, especially by their own children. I've seen this shit happen all the time, whenever one dares to call out the bullshit of a boomER he takes it personally and chimps out.

Obviously I wouldn't want that for my possible future kids, but the experience did harden me emotionally and physically. There is nothing much that anyone can say to me or do to me that'll get me riled up.

>>519429565
oh, yeah anytime i got in touble it was a 15min closed fist beating, she switched to slaps in the face after the second time she got investigated for child abuse and had "Questions" being raised as to if its epilepsy, or the result of repeated blows to the head.

A Boomers word is decree, if a boomer says 2+2 is 4, and you say its 5, they are completely justified in enacting an Extermanatus, or any and all firm handshakes or shitty behavior to fuck your shit up, including cop calling and deliberatly setting you up for failure.

I Hate them with a fucking passion, im breaking the cycle and not letting them around my kids cause i know they see me doing well in life, and absolouthy would drop my kid on it's head to teach me a lesson and "Punish" me for being a "Problem child"

They already abused multiple kids and covered up kid fucking, so like this idea id ever, in any capacity give, or allow them to have contact with my children, no. not happening.

>>519409903
>they are just a child...
ok im sold with this marriage thingy

>>519429565
also the boomers in my family would chant its okay to kill people who tresspass, then went and put wires up on ATV trails cause they didnt like young folks having ATV's and them not, then they got someone and they all like fucking magic went from bragging about it to the cheers of their fellow boomers to

>dumb_boomersmile.jpg
"That never happened, your talking nonsense"

Their ability to just, rewrite reality as they see it, and all collectively agree to that reality, its like, Super-Gaslighting. It's also fucking terrifying that they do this shit and are perfectly okay with it cause "Taught him a lesson, haha"

Can you imagine if a young folk did that to a boomer in a mobility scooter?

I know Stockholm Syndrome was fake and doesn’t happen the way movies show it does(Swedes just wanted to cover up shit cops), but I swear women go native so fast after a certain point.

My ex GF went from Center left to conservative to further right than me in the span of a couple months on /pol/ after I introduced her

>>519408255 (OP)
>whose supposed natural instinct is to make babies
if it was that simple then they would have babies with low value men all the time. they have to be cognizant of the heavy cost to maximize their fitness. the only thing that has changed is that women used to depend materially on fulfilling this role, obviously as a result of explicit political efforts to "free" them from this dependency

>>519429808
>>519429958
Oh yeah that is pretty bad, worse than what my folks did to me.
But yeah the gaslighting is awful, they always tell you how you are remembering things wrong, as to have you depend upon their memory as opposed to your own.
If I could I'd never see their fucking faces again, these shits fucked me over, raised me into an economic unit but never actually allowed me to become independent. Should have left home when I was 16. That has to be my biggest regret.

>>519408255 (OP)
That's an Indian nature goddess from 200 AD.

>>519429987
I'm a male but I understand. I've had some friends that I don't talk to anymore because they were absolute monsters to children.

I just don't get why people do that. I'd do everything in my power to protect a child

>>519408255 (OP)
>But something changed about female biology if this is where we're heading.
no, the problem is nothing changed in biology and women died in childbirth all the fucking time in ye olden times

except now we have less blissful ignorance and religion copes to deal with it even if hygiene and mortality rates have much improved

>>519422692
There are less than 4 million humans on the planet, anon. The rest - irrespective of retarded notions like "skin colour" - are not human.

>>519430209
I Was raised to look after them in their old age, i rebelled and rejected it.

It's funny cause out of everyone im doing the best, yet i refuse to talk to or associate with anyone in my family.
Something interesting, and of note is the same people who called me stupid, now look to me and have all these great ideas about how i can open a company, and pay them to run it or tell people to do, or "do the talking for ya"
It's fucking hilarious how 3 people so far just have these delusional views of reality where i can just hire them for a job they are wholely unqualified and lack experience in,
Just odd going from the black sheep to the one whos expected to hold up the pillars of society.

The boomer memory is something that needs to be studied in depth, recently the dude who popped charlie kirk's grandmother came up with all these explanations on how he couldnt have done it, thats a pretty good example of "Their version of events"

Any questions i ask, im told they dont remember, or they never happened,

Bring back the Inquisition!!!!

>>519418449
again
>reject modern science
>die like a caveman

wow! who would have though!
let's not use these tools we made available!

>>519409821
true but most won't have those downsides

not shitting out kids makes you live shorter, get cancer more likely, gives you menopause earlier and makes long time mental health problems more likely

>>519429337
one of them is a F cup blonde beauty from the Allgäu who loves traveling, came to Bulgaria i met her in a bar in plovdiv and impregnated her
she didn't want a husband
she has the tightest pussy I've ever had

>>519416429
>>519416429
>Anon, I encourage you to become a divorce judge. It’s relatively easy, no law degree required iirc, and you can literally deny people divorces all day long and send them to church counseling or some shit to “work out their differences”. Imagine how much good you could do.
Thankfully, you cant do that in most of the usa. because of no fault divorce

If you have talked with these whores you haven't spoken with them enough or you lack the mental comprehension to truly tell everybody the grand scenario at hand. I didn't go into it but I saw some chicks on tik tok referencing this one account on from this feminist whore who literally created a list of reasons to never have children. They had over 300 reasons to not pregnant. I didn't look into it but this should give you all an idea of just how fucked things have become. Women have always been evil the modern world has amplified it all. Let me just give you all a spoiler on how you're all destined to end up. You aren't getting married ... but even if you somehow do, the chances of winding up divorced are through the god damn roof. The only way of having a wife now is money point blank period. Lots and lots and lots of money. The rest will die alone. The majority of you won't have kids. The more time passes by the worse it'll get. Grim

>>519427555
one reason out of many why people dont want kids

>>519412606
That's nice and all, but without childbirth humanity goes extinct, so only groups that put women in their place will survive.
So have kids or invent anti aging technology and artificial wombs.

>>519410131
’cels didn’t like this post…

>>519422692
yeah well that's fukken wrong faggot

>>519408255 (OP)
My wife pushed out 4 healthy babies with no pain medications or epidural. Most women are weak and men coddle them.

>>519408255 (OP)
Anti-natalism is the rule of the day. In Germany in sex-ed they show a messy bloody birth where the woman shits all over while pushing out a baby that rips her vagina to shreds.

This is not an accident that they traumatize young girls like this in regards to childbirth.

>>519433885
Antinatalism is pretty based

>>519408255 (OP)
This has a biological basis to it. Women nowadays are extremely weak compared to women say 50-80 years ago. The same goes for men.
Men's decline has been somewhat documented with testosterone levels, sperm counts..
But the weakening on women hasn't been documented at all, the only study that proves anything has changed is the "Women enter puberty 6 years younger than they used to".
Some small studies also see a worse cardiovascular system in modern women but the problem is that women in 1950s weren't measured for anything.. new borns also weren't measured. So until we have actual studies that go deep into the DNA we won't have shit.
Tldr. Women nowadays are weak and the chances of them dying while giving birth are higher than ever.

To understand what I mean, compare the energy levels of your 80yo grandma to some random 20 yo woman. My grandma at 80 goes out at 6 am and waters plants, gets wood. All the girls that I know age 20 wake up tired, barely do anything all day.
We have been chemically castrated the last 50 years but people don't understand it

>>519433885
well thats what childbirth can look like

>>519408255 (OP)
They don't want to rear offspring not sired by a top 5% Chad.

That's it. That's their "issue"

>>519408255 (OP)
They want to stay desirable with virginal bodies indefinitely

>>519412030
I hope you are baiting and not that retarded

>>519409941
You just make too much noise

>>519412266
This. Then they complain the entire time that we haven't given them grandchildren yet.

>>519408255 (OP)
If babies came out of your dickhole would you want to have babies? Some of you have a real issue seeing things from other's perspective.

Yes cunts are scared to have kids, that's why it has to be involuntary. Damn near all of us were accidents, our dads just knocked up our moms when they were hooking up. Very few kids were ever planned and now we're limited to those very few, along with a shit economy, along with (((feminist)) brainwashing so basically we're fucked and there's no white babies.

>>519435459
Oh and contraceptives and abortion. Shit, it's a wonder any white children make it to birth at all.

>>519408255 (OP)
>something changed about female biology
Dying from childbirth has been the norm for millenia, now.
Pay more attention in school.

>>519417501
How is it a scapegoat when Niggers and Browns literally keep us from having 1 trillion in profits? Cut Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security and we can pay off our national debt easily. I'm sorry that you were lied to, but they genuinely don't belong in white nations and are only burdens

My family was personally affected by incompetent doctors fucking up during childbirth, I'm talking multimillion dollar lawsuit for birth injuries settlement bad. I know another woman that was forced to carry her dead baby for months and now is a traumatized drug addict. Childbirth is dangerous and unsafe and life ruining. If you could get pregnant you'd understand.

>>519408255 (OP)
Nothing is weird about it, its just that most of /pol/ doesnt have a triple digit iq and reverts back to these retarded pseudo axioms IE women not having babies is weird because its the "natural" order of things because it existed so prevalently in the past. They have and had children because it functioned as a method of present and future security and having children was also a gateway into important social circles which also is a form of security. now? sexuality is a more superior form of security through the many influencer and e-begging routes. like why would they have 1 retard like you guys who need this explained when she can have millions of guys that she has no risk or responsibility with in interacting with them. furthermore since flaunting sexuality isnt taboo because you christcucks are irrelevant (if you dont believe me, you should ask your wife's boyfriend about it) and since there is more power in it than pretty much anything, this can be used much more without a man who would otherwise be against it. people will pretend like the commitement to this cuck (one you retards) would be more meaningful but really in the age of online dating, what is the value of the oofy doofy commitment? approaching 0. now, go back to your jeet threads so you can ignore your receeding hairlines you useless eaters

>>519409903
another greek W
common

>>519410798
>more civilized
nope
we are just better at avoiding consequences, responsibility, (all those build a person up) by using tech and then we remain shit people

>>519408255 (OP)
It is true though, childbirth permanently destroys your body and the husband will start looking for a new tighter hole.

>>519436379
>thank you yogurt nigger for giving me a comfy confirmation bias. theres something about the greek culture i always liked mmmmm so yummey

>>519408255 (OP)
>And all of them seem to have a similar answer: they're scared of childbirth. Many feel like they wouldn't survive it, or it would fuck up their health beyond recovery.
This is what decades of feminist indoctrination does to you

>>519436526
dont worry you silly hole, if you selected him in this day in age he already has a harem and ur just on of the front holes he accidently coomed in after the condom you handed him unexpectedly had perfect straight line cut marks

i fucking hate women so much. scared of the only reason they are alive.

>>519436117
You need help

>>519408255 (OP)
no, they know that their bodies are no longer attractive, as it was in their teenage years (elastic, nice skin, firm boobs, healthy sex drive) and they are afraid of being rejected by men if they give birth. much more if they breastfeed their children,

thanks kikes, you ruined their perspective by allowing and supporting women dressing like sluts and showing their skin!

>>519416117
The video this anon shared is really good. I don’t buy into sociological bullcrap when it comes to explaining birth rates. It’s all biology

>>519437107
nah this is unfiltered black pill for all you retards to see. you just dont want to admit that women are just a practical parasite using a much more powerful mechanism of security over producing children; its not this retarded "oh bro its just like gravity bro, they just do it cause they can do it". this is what a retard rationalizes, this is what you balding idiots have been saying since the early 2000s

>>519436552
yes

>>519437291
You can’t explain why so many women opt for adoption or pets though. The motherly instinct is strong, they just don’t want to take risks anymore to fulfill it proper. The amount of millennial women who told me they want to adopt a child is more than I can count on my two hands, and yet all women know that men hate dating a mother with a kid, especially if the kid is random and not connected to the blood line in any way

>>519437516
or its easier to groom a younger child for her security. obviously theres a material instict but how strong is it relative to her self preservation insticts? or is the nurturing side of the parasite a direct result of her security instict as there was evolutionary pressure on it all the way through time until now. or you can just continue to believe in santa clause retard

>>519410048
This is bullshit i had a hardon 24/7 when my wife was pregnant for some reason just the thought of having my children made me want to fuck her even more. Even after the kids i still want to suck on those mommy milkers she has and fuck her all day

>>519437767
Women’s self-preservation instinct was always stronger than men’s.
If you want to talk about evolutionary biology, then human males die younger and more commonly because their evolutionary role is to experiment with new ways to adapt to a changing environment. So male’s are biologically programmed to have a jackass attitude towards life, less fear of risk and danger, and it of course became part of male culture as all instincts enter cultural narratives.

Women’s biological role is to preserve successful male experiments, by preserving their bodies (all women come from male ancestors after all) and by choosing which current male deserves to carry his successful experiments into the next generation.

So yes women are many times more risk-averse, but that’s the whole point of their gender. To preserve, select, and nurture.
Problem is that today they do all these 3 things too, but without achieving the final product.

Reproduction is not a social construct, it’s how animals survive.

>>519438092
> human males die younger and more commonly because their evolutionary role

that is completly arbitary thing to say, its their "role". no, men had to take risks also as a self preservation strategy because a negligable amount had intrinsic value (IE chad). its not just "being a jack ass" whatever the fuck that means. they needed to show value to other men and women to be apart of the tribe and propogate their genes

>Women’s biological role is to preserve successful male experiments

no, women are just like men in that they also as an organism have self preservation but since they have intrinsic worth of reproduction which ultimately gave them weaker evolutionary pressure elsewhere including the strength to overpower men, their approach is much different and it related to the manipulation of social dynamics as the only way to outpower strength is through numbers.

you see man you gotta understand that youre too retarded to be thinking of these things putting these arbitrary things like "evolutionary role" and "being a jackass" like he did it arbitarily. i think theres better threads where you can laugh at jeets and have a good time instead of being a retard here

>>519438493
People do the things they enjoy doing. What is enjoyment? It’s pleasure.
Where does pleasure come from? From chemicals in the brain. What are those pleasure chemicals? They’re reward system hormones.
What does the body reward? Biologically programmed strategies of survival and success that worked for millions of years.

If you’re going to tell me that women receive reward chemicals from NOT reproducing, then I must ask you when was this newfound species invented and in whose biolab?

>>519438598
>reproduction is the only way dopamine can be conceived

yeah man i think theres alot of fun jeet threads you can go to for a better time

>>519438757
The few women I know from work who recently became mothers are absolute ecstatic about it and nonstop shitposting their kid 24/7 on all social medias. It’s akin to the happiness of a guy who conquered or discovered new land and proclaimed himself king.

It’s there. You just don’t understand it because your mind is stuck in male mindset, you can’t see outside of the box. Children is the highest level of happiness a woman achieves in life. But something broke in the western societies that made many women incapable of reaching their telos

>>519438777
> you are the one stuck in a male mindset after i interpreted these anecdotes to the best of my retarded ability

>>519438870
Glad to know you ran out of arguments

>>519412779
it's a hot statue
ideal female form, imo

>>519438777
It's because humans metaphysically echo Gods energies.
Husband echoes Christ, he needs to be the logos and needs to manifest reality into physical existence from the world of ideas, Wife is the church and she is literally the body of the family that gives life to the icons of God when coming into communion with logos.

>>519438895
no, once you go into sily anecdotes that you think you interpreted properly it just gets too sily and thats when the cat pictures start

>>519438895
ok youre not as retarded as this guy, i mean this is 80iq level retarded >>519438981

>>519408255 (OP)
As easily solved forever by selecting women through human Zootechnics, eventually making childbirth an effortless task thanks to impersonal engineering and readily available infrastructure.

>>519438984
It’s fairly simple. If your body is designed to perform a function, and only your body can perform that function, yet you don’t do it - from an evolutionary and biological sense your brain starts interpreting you as a failure. Which in turn leads to depression.

Do you know that women are top level abusers of antidepressants? All of them childless btw

>>519408255 (OP)
Is that statue real?
I doubt it.
Women back in time were extremely ugly.
Those are the perfect tits ,.body ever. Most likely a male fantasy statue.

>>519408255 (OP)
Why do you think Sex and Death are so closely intertwined in human spirituality and shadow psychology?

During a majority of developed human history, it was woefully common that women or the baby would die in childbirth. This is why so many evil spirits exist as ones that specifically target women and/or babies and children.

In our modern era, death is almost divorced from the collective psyche. In the ancient world, death was as common as seeing a friend or visiting a place of worship.

Fear or surviving the process is absolutely a valid concern.

>>519408255 (OP)
Only if they have no fluffy tail.

>>519434644
>Women enter puberty 6 years younger than they used to
I find that hard to believe. Is there really a source to this? I've found some articles claiming six months earlier on average, not six years.
Sounds like feminist propaganda trying to convince men that being attracted to younger women is unnatural.

>>519434644
Working a minimum wage, dead-end job with zero impact on your local community and being forced to work multiples of those heinous jobs just to afford food and board is draining.

Sky is blue, grass is green...

>>519439495
Higher level of plastics in food leads to higher level of estrogen in bodies, which leads to early development in women and lower testosterone in men

>>519439308
yes because millions of years yielded this system after all the years of evolutionary pressure but in the modern day when this system is no longer relvant, just like our fat storing system which is also a biological process where we love carbs because we can store them incase when we dont have access to food, a correction is being made because sexuality is more superior for security than having children. women are the top abusers of antidepressants because they are ultimately the retards that rely on the pesudo science of phycology who are basically the sale agents of big pharama. its not cause they are not having kids as the main direct cause unless you have some sort of graph that shows a strong corelation instead of your retarded anecdotes

>>519439722
Biological and evolutionary corrections don’t happen in a matter of 100-200 years. It takes thousands/millions of years. Think of wisdom teeth for example. How many more millennia will we have to wait before evolution removes them as they’re evidently unnecessary?

You have no biological argument, sorry

>>519408255 (OP)
It might be some kind of traumatic experience that made them feel this way. Unhealthy family conditions, for example.

>>519409941
This.
Care about anyone else and they just use and discard you.
>24S4X

>>519439852
Domestication and evolutionary dead ends manifest way faster than functional adaptations.

You are a failed experiment.

>>519439962
>domestication
Nigger that’s selective breeding lmao

>>519413157
This

>>519439852
you dont have to evolve to not children, you just have to have no good reason. in the past sure this would filter them out of the gene pool and traditionalism would return but with our world, this is a laughable cope from the tradcuck who love to draw lines through datapoints that they think are relevant

>>519438092
No, women don't preserve themselves. They just don't want to do obviously risky things but otherwise they don't see the danger. Especially in social situations that makes them the target. They also needlessly expose themselves to dangers without any form of safety or emergency plans (plural) because they don't expect the worst and think about what could happen but only about what they want and how they want it. Their personality is inherently me-me-me, not taking the actual world into account for what it is and how it works. Part of that is their interest to get excitement and drama in their life, as that works together with their extrovert character to generate attention for them and potentially have someone care.

In my opinion nature fucked up with the whole sexuality concept: It's based on attraction (looks) before character, but character is important for a lasting relationship and the growing up phase not producing mentally damaged individuals. Sexuality doesn't become optional once you've done your part but remains active. This just leads to either sexual frustration or population booms, neither are good. The sole role of women is to give birth but neither do they stay sexy no fertile throughout their entire lifespan. Instead they lose their biological function with their menopause and may turn into an unattractive being at any point. The mother instinct isn't very strong either, neither for wanting to become a mother (regrets only much later in life, when they have nothing going on anymore) nor for taking proper care of the child(ren). This weak setup allowed feminism to become a thing in the first place, because had women united that they wanted 1-2 children as a basic need to their life then feminism wouldn't even have had a chance to start. With e-celebs these days we're seeing proof that women will whore themselves out for money and try not to get pregnant so they can continue to exploit this.

>>519440067
its the other way around you absolute retard

>>519440162
If for millions of years a species practices the same practice, then it becomes embedded into the chemical reward system of then brain. And that’s biology.
Sorry but women won’t start feeling male pleasure any time soon just cuz it’s convenient to do so today

>>519408255 (OP)
They are, as was said, infantilized by jew-made society. This means psychologically, they haven't embraced their Animus, masculin part in them, therefore they need one special external tool to help them learn to embrace it.

>>519440259
and again we go back to the dopamine argument where there are many other ways to it other than child birth

>>519439495
one google search away

>>519440344
It’s not dopamine you fucking troglodyte. There’s many other reward chemicals. Go back to school

>>519440220
its not fucked up hans, youre just a retard like most people here

>>519439627
in the 1940s we went to war, yet people weren't as tired as we are now. actually the complete opposite and half were starving

>>519440344
Dopamine, Endorphins, Serotonin, Oxytocin, Endocannabinoids, GABA, Glutamate

>>519439852
the other anon is wrong (5-10% take antidepressants) but study epigenetics. DNA can be silenced in 1 generation with the right chemicals. Again, that's what has been happening to us the last 100 years.
Cycle is simple: feed humans goyslop -> weaker offspring -> goyslop.

Most of the damage is actually done during pregnancy. Eating any of the supermarket food during pregnancy should be illegal and a bunch of pharma companies should be hang

>>519440692
most people don't understand how much microplastics (PFAS) and pesticides we have in us. I can assure you that 95% of this board has more microplastics than testosterone in their blood. but yeah keep focusing on the vaccine lmao

>>519408255 (OP)
higher test women with stronger bodies don't have this fear, it's always runty dysgenic ones who do because they know they will have problems

>>519411614
keep white out of your mouth, shitskin