Thread 519542072

Why did Lincoln kill state's rights? Was he stupid?

>>519542072 (OP)
Confederates will always seethe about the war being fought over "States' Rights!" but if you press them about what rights they're referring to specifically they tend to get REAL quiet lol

>>519542185
The right to secede, obviously, retard.

>>519542185
This has never once been a “gotcha,” you think it is because you’re much stupider than you think you are. Sorry to break it to you

>>519542072 (OP)
>Why did Lincoln kill state's rights? Was he stupid?
reminder that The City of London began planning and fomenting the US Civil War the moment Jackson destroyed the second bank

>>519542633
This too. American education is so poor retards like >>519542185 don’t know the civil war almost kicked off in the late 1820s and several times after prior to 1861.

>>519542295
>>519542378
>>519542720
>Still refuse to admit the Confederates seceded over the right to own slaves
This is why no one takes you guys seriously.

>>519542799
No, no one takes YOU seriously because all you're capable of doing is mindlessly repeating what your grade school teacher told you to say without thinking.

>>519542799
Please seriously fucking kill yourself

>>519542799
You are literally a shit colored subhuman

>>519543007
>>519543022
>Still can't even deny it
I accept your concessions

>>519542072 (OP)
no, just brain dead

>>519542799
this dumbfuck doesnt have a clue that the North was infiltrated by and effectively represented The City of London's wishes and goals

>>519542295
There was never a right to secede and rebelling against the Federal Government was always an act of treason.

>The Whiskey Rebellion was a 1794 uprising in western Pennsylvania against a federal tax on distilled spirits, which was part of Alexander Hamilton's plan to pay off Revolutionary War debt. Farmers, who often distilled whiskey as a way to transport and sell their grain crops, felt the tax was unfair and disproportionately affected them. The rebellion was a major test of the new U.S. government's authority, which President George Washington ultimately quelled by leading a large militia to disperse the rebels, demonstrating the federal government's power to enforce its laws.

>The rebels then marched on Pittsburgh, threatening to spread the uprising to other states.
>President Washington, with the support of Hamilton, decided to use military force to suppress the rebellion.
>He assembled a militia of about 12,000 men, a force larger than his own Revolutionary War army, and personally led them to western Pennsylvania.
>The large show of force was enough to disperse the rebels, and the rebellion collapsed without a major battle.
>The Whiskey Rebellion was a crucial moment for the new government, as it successfully demonstrated the federal government's power to enforce its laws and maintain order within the states.
>Several rebels were arrested and tried for treason, though Washington ultimately pardoned them.

>>519543131
Alexander Hamilton was an agent of the crown
Federalists=Agents of the Crown

>>519542072 (OP)
Lincoln wasnt stupid. He was evil. Learn the difference. He would have declared himself king if he could - lord knows he ruled like one during the Civil War.

>>519543232
Your an agent.

>>519542072 (OP)
States don't have the right to determine their own tariff policies and that's primarily what they were rebelling over in the Civil War. Lincoln explicitly stated that he would not do anything about slavery because he thought the preservation of the union was more important

>>519543107
I did deny it. Can you read?

>>519543131
>the whiskey rebellion involved a state seceding
That’s enough. You are barely capable of a thought.

I am tired of retards arguing through their own ignorance. “If you aren’t ignorant like me, you are bad and lying!” Shut the fuck up, infants.

>>519543292
Yeah because Congress gave the President the power to act like a King in cases of rebellion or invasion

>>519542185
^^ This nigger eats beans ^^

>>519543344
>I did deny it. Can you read?
Saying:
>>519543022
"Please kill yourself"
Isn't the same as denying my point (which you can't because obviously it's true)

>>519542378
>"the civil war was over slavery."
>"NO! It was about STATES' RIGHTS!"
>"States' rights to do what?"
>"...th-this isn't the 'gotcha' you think it is!!!"

>>519542799
Judging by the fact that the only response you got was ad hominem, it's safe to say it IS a "gotcha".

I really don't give a shit about states rights because I'm not a state.

>>519543505
See >>519542295

I’m aware you’re just being difficult because you confuse that for intelligence (like all brown apes) but thanks for the opportunity to bitch you out in front of the lurkers

Now seriously, kill yourself

>>519543596
The states’ right to leave the union (secede), as has already been answered. Why did you ignore that post? Are you stupid, or did you and rLT6 get sent here from the same discord?

Either way, join him in suicide tonight. Everyone in your life will be glad you did

>>519542799
>Wage a war, spending over 7x as much as it would take to buy all the slaves, to free the slaves
Civil war history is an IQ test and you failed

>>519542185
>states' rights doesn't mean anything
have you ever wondered why the US has so much illegal immigration and the states are powerless to stop it?

>>519543751
Democrats back then wanted exactly the same thing they want today; Free Trade (no tariffs) and cheap non-citizen labor to exploit (slaves/illegals).

They're doing exactly the same thing at ICE facilities that they did at Fort Sumter and the Baltimore Riot (which was the first actual blood shed in the Civil War)

>>519543596
>only response
You had to ignore several responses to label that the “only one,” because you’re a subhuman. Ad hom was far from the only response he got.

Why don’t you explain why the civil war almost started over the Tariff of Abominations thirty years prior to the actual civil war? Take your time, I know that kind of nuance makes your head hurt.

>>519543895
Lincoln explicitly stated that he would have done nothing about slavery as President except not support it's expansion to new states

>>519542633
While Jefferson Davis was off being based and shouldn't Mexicans in the face, Abraham Lincoln remained at home. Preaching about how wondrous a national bank would be, said bank he would make during the war.

>>519543860
>You are on OUR land
>also btw I will chimp out if you don't let me use slave return laws to traipse around YOUR land if I happen to think slaves are there
Look up slave return laws, confederates weren't holding up principles they were just crybaby hypocrites

>>519544043
reminder that Congress never had a lawful quorum post 1865
a president cant fire congressmen and then pick their replacements

>>519544134
>sign a document that says you will assist in returning slaves
>actually spend all your effort trying to destabilize the south and get niggers to kill them
the north is 100% the bad guys

>>519544043
Have you even read the Constitution?

It was because of the demands of democracy, money-interests, violent partisans, and ideological liberalism.

Anyone who has seriously studied his motivations can’t deny this.

>>519543751
>"You're wrong because...YOU'RE DUMB!"
I guess the inbred southerner stereotype really isn't a stereotype at all...

>>519544241
it wasn't a rebellion it was secession which is legal

>>519542799
Also many Southerners did not like slavery either but had a simple question for retarded North Eastern puritans whose only interactions with negros was fictional works that portrayed negros as innocent child like creatures.. what are we to do with 4 million freed slaves?
Just let them roam around the country side? Do you have a plan in place? Nope. Just free them and let the dominoes fall.
And for anyone who wants to say LINCOLN WAS GONNA SEND EM BACK.
Nope. Find me one official document, policy paper or order, signed by Lincoln as the sitting president of the US that supports this action. You can’t, because it doesn’t exist. Lincoln abandoned repatriation efforts after his meeting with black leaders in 1862. Why? He needed the bodies for the war and wouldn’t get them to fight if they were just going to be shipped out after.

>>519544128
Yes and Lincoln's "Greenback" policy was so popular an entire political party was founded to support it, and we should adopt his policy today to get rid of our parasitic "debt"

>>519543131
>There was never a right to secede and rebelling against the Federal Government was always an act of treason.
Union was voluntary. Sorry I didn't go to your libshit school.

>>519544214
>The government can do whatever it wants if it benefits me
>WELLLL TECHNICALLY CONGRESS VOTED FOR IT SO YOU HAVE TO BE OK WITH IT
>Muh raghts! I should be able to disregard laws and go into open insurrection because I feel like it!!!
Again, hypocritical crybaby faggots like this are the southern apologists

>>519544424
>stop crying for getting invaded
0 IQ

>>519544358
HOW DID THOSE BLACKS GET THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE?

Lazy Southern retards were IMPORTING them, and they wanted to import more but were blocked by NORTHERN states in 1808 from importing more black slaves

>>519544563
>the white man grew the niggers with witchcraft in the fields, demonic black niggers that love watermelon
wow

>>519544241
>what's wrong with outright jailing journalists who wrote critically of the north's actions

>>519542072 (OP)
you really want state's rights? then feed your own niggers

>>519544396
The City of London assassinated Lincoln over silver
it didnt matter that he helped them implement le cibil war

>>519544563
>Lazy Southern retards were IMPORTING them,
does someone wanna tell him who ran the slave ships

>Vote Lincoln for NO expansion of slavery to the territories
>Vote Breckinridge for expansion of slavery to the territories
>Vote Douglas for some expansion of slavery to the territories
>Vote Bell if you vocally don't give a shit about the slavery

Lincoln was based. One of the best US Presidents ever. I wish Trump was more like Lincoln. Democrats are getting uppity again

>>519544563
Why were the biggest slave auction docks in the North though?
Rhode Island says hey

>>519542295
>The right to secede

>>519544747
So basically the north was the modern democrat party where they're completely politically incompetent and once their incompetence lead to a civil war scenario they chimped out

>>519544815
>

>>519544853
>So basically the north was the modern democrat party where they're completely politically incompetent and just marionettes for the banking jews in the city of london
ftfy

>>519544241
Lower South had already peacefully left under the previous admin.

>>519544898
The redpill is that the financial types in the north are expats from england which wanted their own banking canal and rail toll extraction empire

>>519543131
I must have missed the part where the state's elected government tried to secede, when did that happen?

>>519543860
>our land

>>519544693
Who specifically assassinated Lincoln? The assassination plot was organized by Judah P Benjamin, the Jewish #2 man in the Confederacy, in charge of the Treasury and Confederate Espionage. His face was also on the Confederate $2 bill.

After killing Lincoln he fled to London where he is recorded cavorting the the Rothschild family at social functions.

The Confederacy was a Rothschilds plot because A. Judaism says Jews can own gentile slaves B. They wanted cheap Southern cotton for their factories, which Northern tariff policy would prevent C. They wanted to eliminate the US as a rival to the British Empire by splitting it into two smaller countries and D. Lincoln's Greenback policy allowed the repayment of US debt without any further debt, effectively writing it off. Lincoln refused European/Rothschild loans to fund the war so he didn't go along with their plan

>>519544879
Its not just the same but it is the same party who is trying to nullify federal law and is hostile to the enforcement of federal law and federal agents. Same party threatening secession. Confederates lost, get over it already.

>>519545072
Lincoln was a son of a bitch and the fact that it took him destroying the country until he got ventilated just shows how ridiculous human society is

>>519544973
>Lower South had already peacefully left

>>519542072 (OP)
I think the Constitution and the Federalists themselves created the problem. The fugitive slave acts made the North think they were being imposed upon and the South thought they were being stolen from. So, weird, we just had to give them more power to force it one way or the other. weird.... weird.

The 17A is what put the nail in the coffin for state power and enabled a runaway progressive fed.

>>519545143
Same thing Jews said about JFK before they killed him

>>519545454
And? Do you think JFK and LBJ were any less pieces of shit?

>>519543659
You dont give a shit about states rights because you are not old enough to have lived during a time when states were not sucking fed cock to keep the $$ coming in. In other words, you do not appreciate what you have not lost. I encourage you to explore the subject one day.

>>519542185
States rights meant that the states had the right to govern themselves. When detractors say or hear “states rights,” they automatically contribute it to slavery, using it as a way to deflect from the actual intent. The South wished to leave the Union, who’s interests included big industry, centralized national banking, and unfair tariffs. The Southern states wanted to govern themselves and regulate their own trade practices in a way that would benefit them, instead of the being unfairly used to support Northern industry and infrastructure. In 1861 the term ‘state’s rights,’ referred the Jeffersonian, self-governed, low tax, free trade, type of government. The South wanted to reestablish the principles of the Declaration of Independence, Articles of Confederation, and most importantly the 10th Amendment, which states:
“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, not prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”
>>519542720
New England almost seceded a few times too iirc

>>519544563
In 50 years this will be written, in part, as: "States in the Midwest, especially those like Illinois and Iowa, opposed the ban on immigration because they relied on a constant supply of affordable labor from Latin America for their dwindling food processing and farming industries."

>>519545114
>threatening secession
People have to the right to leave, stopping them at gunpoint from doing so is just another form of slavery

>>519545576
JFK and Lincoln were both killed for resisting the British Empire (which created Israel).

LBJ was a piece of shit, he was an old style Southern Democrat. He spent half his time drunk and the other half being a sex pest who bragged that he had more affairs "by accident than JFK had on purpose," which also made him an easy target for Mossad agent Mathilde Krim, who some say he was literally in bed with when the USS Liberty was attacked.

A literal traitor, like the Southern Democrats always have been.

>>519545670
Wasting your time. Its either bait or they are <18.

>>519545967
US empire was launched in 1890 so your conspiracy already doesn't make sense

>>519545345
>The 17A is what put the nail in the coffin for state power and enabled a runaway progressive fed.
there was no 17a ever made to The Constitution For These United States of America
but that doc went into sequester in 1871 and has not been used since
this is the essence of Trump saying he's going to run a 3rd time
eliminate the bylaws of the corporations of the united states, destroy their charter,
and note that the 1787 original only ever had 13 max

>>519545670
>States rights meant that the states had the right to govern themselves.
states rights mean the 10th amendment
it was unlawful to create a private central bank just as it was unlawful to let the people vote for Senators

>>519546042
Its not for them. Its for anyone lurking.

>>519546464
just like it's unlawful for the federal government to regulate immigration

or the national guard being unconstitutional

The post war amendments were passed at gun point, making all of us slaves.

>

can i get a fuck new england and california in the chat

>>519546499
>just like it's unlawful for the federal government to regulate immigration
>or the national guard being unconstitutional
fedgov has constitutional auth over the borders
Article I, Section 8 grants Congress the power to "provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions" and to "organize, arm, and discipline" them.
you are a retard

>>519546743
>Militia
states no longer have militia rights since the 1890's

>>519546652
>comparing robert e. lee to George Washington.

>>519546077
Britain was an Empire in 1860 and the US was a rising power, and Britain has always wanted us to be their colony again. They didn't give up after the revolution as evidenced by the war of 1812. They never give up. Check out the news today about all the revelations involving Epstein and the Royal family. It's impossible to tell whether Epstein was working for Israel or for the Royals they're all so mixed up together, almost like Britain created Israel and they're part of the same overarching Empire, which did in fact turn us into their military golem as intended

>>519542072 (OP)
>ctrl+f "state's rights", 5 results
>ctrl+f "state secrets", 0 results

>>519547319
oh of course epstein is involved, so you're either a disinfo fed or a retard that drank somebody's spiked koolaid

>>519546652
Lee thought Secession was retarded but he was loyal to his State. I guess he was a Washington Commanders fan.

>>519547424
>state secrets
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_of_the_Golden_Circle

>>519542072 (OP)
Southern states peacefully left the Union and Lincoln chimped out and raised a federal army and declared war, illegally.
First causalities were Maryland protesters.
Border State Governors on Lincoln’s call for Military Coercion
"In reply to this communication, I have only to say that the militia of VA will not be furnished..Your object is to subjugate the Southern States.. in my judgment, not within the purview of the Constitution, or the Act of 1795—will not be complied with."
~ Gov. Letcher, VA. April 1861
"I regard the levy of troops made by the Admin, for the purpose of subjugating the States of the South, as in violation of the Constitution, & a usurpation of power. I can be no party to this wicked violation of the laws of the country..."
~ Gov. Ellis, NC. April 1861
"In answer to your requisition for troops from Arkansas, to subjugate the Southern States, I have to say that none will be furnished. The demand is only adding insult to injury."
~ Gov. Rector, Arkansas. April 1861
"Your dispatch is received. In answer, I say emphatically, Kentucky will furnish no troops for the wicked purpose of subduing her sister Southern States."
~ Gov. Magoffin, KY. April 1861
"Requisition is illegal, unconstitutional, revolutionary, inhuman, diabolical, and can not be complied with."
~ Gov. Jackson, MO. April 1861
"Tennessee will not furnish a single man for coercion, but fifty thousand, if necessary, for the defense of our rights, or those of our Southern brothers."
~ Gov. Harris, TN. April 1861

The atrocities committed by the North in Kentucky is why the state is placed in the Southern block when you look up 'Southern US'

>state's
>right's

>>519547457
that post was correct you fkn tard

>>519547945
Nah, you people posting the greenback conspiracies and the assassination conspiracies and the "jews did slavery" conspiracies are getting fed disinfo

>>519543344
You type like a foreigner or a chudite.

>>519547893
Correct, it was literally treason by Lincoln
>Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

>>519548121
I will say there is a connection between infinite money printers and geopolitics

>>519547893
Oh boo hoo.

>>519549197
>My heroes? chemically imbalanced murderers that hear voices

>>519542072 (OP)
His nigger gay lover wanted his ghetto free

Confederates may have been kikes, but anti-Confederates in 2025 are all brown fags. This is why we cant have a real discussion about the civil war

>>519542185
>Jews mass import vast majority of slaves from Africa
>Wealthy (((Landowners))) chimp out when newly integrated states are not slave states [up until that point slave owning states were still well allowed to continue owning slaves]
>Whip good ol boys up into a frenzy, resulting in upwards of 750k whites killed total from both sides, approximately 2-2.5% of the population (equivalent 6-7 million in 2025 pop. numbers)
>150 years later still unironically going "muh Lincoln muh states rights"
Lol, lmao

>>519549197
Never forget this anti White terrorists final words.
ACK

>>519542072 (OP)
The Fugitive Slave Act killed state's rights.

>>519542185
A union of what? You know what? You're right. States rights shouldn't exist. WA and CA should have to end their DEI and fag education programs and ban trans affirming care for anyone under 18. And remove all infringements on the second Amendment. Shall issue CCs. ARs and magazine bans are illegal federally. Also so is weed use. The Federal government you love so much still has a 5 year minimum and no recreational or medical use for weed. Also there should be no immigration exceptions, or tax breaks offered by a state against the federal government. That is all anti fed. Right now going with Federal rules would be overwhelmingly more conservative so let's go!

>>519544833
>It's a le free country
>No you can't leave
>The kike has no arguments for why people in wanting of unity should be unified, simply shills the notion that it's laughable because they don't have a stick to touch it with.

>>519542072 (OP)
>>519542185
The united states of zion has NEVER won a single war except the civil war - a war it won against itself. So the only war ZOG ever won it also lost.

Now that's a track record. These are the obese crossdressers that think they'll crush a revolution. Remember that.

>>519550829
>Like right now, don't transition out of it just do it all at once lmao

>>519547893
>Southern states peacefully left the Union
Bloody Kansas and the caning of a united states senator were peaceful?
Just like antifa are peaceful, right? CSA was just proto globohomo ruled by kikes and a corrupt class wanting mass non white labor. Just like now.

>>519550907
>Just free 4 million people from bondage with no plan on what to do with them

>nazi memefag
>brings up Kansas, which isn't a Southern state
I deserve better bait.

>>519551040
Bloody Kansas was when southern states tried to force Kansas into being a slave state even though actual citizens voted against it. They did the modern equivalent of bussing in voters from a neighboring state to strong arm it through fraudulent votes then resorted to terrorism when that failed.
>40% of Jewish families at the time owned slaves
>most Jews in the US lived in the South before the civil war shattered their power
Slavery was the nonwhite immigrant labor of its day, and Charleston, SC was the Jew York of the day.
Once you realize this, you can understand how the South was a prototype for the modern US and see the parallels from people like Elon who want to mass import Indians to slave owners. This is the exact mindset that caused the rise of Fascism and why Libertarianism has proven to be a failed ideology. The founders, if they were around today, would be Fascist.

>>519550194
yet how do you solve that problem? don't impose it on the North and they keep "stealing" from the South. America had an irreconcilable problem there.

I deserve better, we deserve better bait.

>>519550829
The South never said shit like "okay we will free then deport them if you pay for it"
Instead they chose the King Cotton strategy, aka Jewishly economically bullying others into getting what you want with zero concessions.
The arrogance of the CSA in thinking that
>the US would tolerate a rival popping up interfering with the concept of manifest destiny
>when it is a rival only made possible through US govt buying land for it (through Louisiana purchase) and fighting for it (mexican-american war, american indian wars)
>the rival daring to proclaim freedom for states while trying to bully and pressure them into doing what they want
>the rival trying to draw European powers into American affairs in direct violation of the monroe doctrine
The South did fucking everything wrong and the civil war was pointless. It would be like if H1B jeet megacorps rebelled right now.

>>519542185
The war of northern agression?

>>519551716
Don't rely on cheap nonwhite labor in the first place. South saw which way the wind was blowing and still clung to it and refused to prepare for a more white centric economy that didn't rely on nonwhite labor. Kind of like how people now are obviously getting fed up with 3rd world labor undercutting people right now, you'd have to be self destructively greedy to cling to it even now

>>519552067
Oh. Its you. Even using the nazi flag still eh

>>519552067
Still trying to peddle your alternate version of history.

>>519552268
I use this flag but I'm not that poster. I do enter these threads sometimes though.
I don't think all Southern culture is Jewish for example, just that their leadership was and that just like post 1913 US citizens they were lied to by kikes about the nature of what they were fighting for

>>519551716
I doubt most southerners would care that much if more and more blacks escaped to the north. It's exclusively a rich man's problem

Secession and war, are two very different events. The southern states peacefully seceded from a voluntary union and formed a new union, the Confederate States of America. Lincoln, on the other hand, declared war against a foreign country, because he admittedly wanted taxes from its component States for his Wall Street cronies that got him elected. As always, simply follow the money trail, not what they say.
>Dixie had less regulations and had more freedom
>The North was on its way to become a big State shithole protecting the factory businessmen with its awful working conditions
>people would own less
By measure of their actions, there is no bigger jews than the North.

>>519552594
Southerner commoners were only pro slave because they were told that the North was pro racemixing and shit even though only the slave owners were realistically doing that, and radical abolishonists were a small minority - they ironically only grew in number leading up to and during the war because the South refused to give any concessions at all. It was typical Jewish shit of accusing their enemies of what they were doing. Even now, the war of northern agression narrative ignores all the shit that the South was doing to inflame the situation and even trying to bring European powers into the matter. Slavery didn't benefit the common man any more than nonwhite labor does now.
Its a similar case to WW2 where what people thought they were fighting for was much different than what they were actually fighting for in the case of the South, whereas the elite knew exactly that they were fighting only to secure their profits through cheap nonwhite labor and to continue leeching off and taking advantage of the goodwill of their citizenry.

>>519552594
The Yanks always wanted the negro confined South of the Mason Dixon.
When the negro went to their lands they squealed like pigs under a gate.
Same way they did when those illegal latinx americans popped up in their vineyards and shit. NYC and Chicago were collapsing over it, you had people in NYC losing their minds over it.
The future they wanted.

>>519542185
Just because you faggots think the war was fought over slavery doesn't mean it was. And no, on guy saying "but slavery was a factor" doesn't mean it was fought over slavery.
Lincoln was a tyrant.

>>519552218
The vast majority of the slaves in America existed during the colonial period, not after America was created. It was a management problem not a "don't bring them here". They were already here and had been for a long time.

>>519552648
>>Dixie had less regulations and had more freedom
>more freedom
Nigger they had literal slaves are you retarded

>>519553663
The country wasn't made to be nice to black people, you're right. And why would it? The fuck have niggers ever done lol

>>519553663
The War of Northern Aggression was fought by two slave holding nations.
Reminder that the USA was founded by White men and women FOR White men and women. Our posterity.

>>519553332
>The Yanks always wanted the negro confined South of the Mason Dixon.
Most didn't want them in the country at all. Honestly fuck Grant for not deporting them like Lincoln wanted. He was a war hero and could have done it.
I live on the west coast and we don't want them either (some west coast state constitutions were literally written by southern immigrants like in California where many Georgians wrote it, who banned slavery, only the corrupt old money types or those who didn't understand the deeper intricacies still wanted it), only Southerners wanted to live around them to that degree. And there are any number of excuses - uplifting them, Christianizing them, etc, but it boils down to the elite kikes wanted cheap labor. Even the founders knew the slavery train was temporary/controversial at best which is why they just kicked the can down the road.
>>519553599
Industrialization was a perfect time to rid ourselves of that problem though, and there were even movements advocating for deporting them all to places like Liberia. Hell, Lincoln himself was for this and only couldn't pursue it because the pointless war got in the way and the South refused to concede at all on anything.
>>519553895
Yeah, for white men and women. Why the fuck you wanted to invite blacks as servants and then fight to keep them here forever is something I will never understand. Even as servants it isn't worth putting up with them.

>>519553766
>>519553895
>War of Nothern aggression
>Opening shots of said war being Confederate guns bombrding the Union at Ft Sumter
Also if you want to argue that actually a country run by a Jewish Planter oligarchy is heckin based then go right ahead but dont do it mid-pivot from extolling the purported freedoms offered by Dixie-

>>519554128
>Hell, Lincoln himself was for this and only couldn't pursue it because the pointless war got in the way and the South refused to concede at all on anything.
Christ this is a retarded talking point. They relocated like 15,000 over the course of like 40 years (1820-1860). Talk about over inflating nothing.

>>519554128
>them like Lincoln wanted
--> >>519544358
Fanfiction

>>519554457
They also sweep all the shit the violent stuff South did before the war under the rug
>>519554459
It isn't. If the civil war didn't happen, imagine would he could have done dedicating full state resources to getting them the fuck out. It could have been coalition of anti blacks in the US in both the North and South rather than a coalition of anti slavery that he needed for the war - including, unfortunately, the radical abolitionists who wanted to keep them.

>>519554457
Google castle doctrine.
>>519554128
>you wanted to invite
Nice b8 memefag, keep it up.

>>519554721
>They also sweep all the shit the violent stuff South did before the war under the rug
Irony

>>519554716
It was true that he wanted them out, but he also wanted to keep the US whole instead of crumbling like Rome from a divide.
Not his fault you guys chimped out and he had to shift priorities.
Dixiefags are like balkanfags and slavs where they complain about shit that was their fault, like Poland complaining about Hitler when THEY antagonized him
>>519554814
Google Monroe Doctrine, homo. Then google King Cotton. CSA was globohomo.
>Nice b8 memefag, keep it up.
Not seeing any evidence to the contrary. All you do is shift blame. Yes the north wanted some at first, but then realized it was retarded. I don't give the north a pass but they at least tried to fix the mistake of allowing blacks unlike the south and kikes there.
>>519554861
Why did your racemixing kike leadership not learn anything from Haiti?

>>519542185

>how the civil war is taught

North gang and South gang are school friends. They play on the playground together. They have a name for their friend group. One day the South starts showing up to school with weird controversial toys. The north being morally good people approach the south and “HEY! If you don’t stop playing with those toys then we are going to beat you up!” The south says “fuck you we can do what we want!” And then the north beat up the south until the south said “okay we will give up our toys!”

>how the civil war actually started

North gang and South gang are school friends. They play on the playground together. They even have a name for their friend group. Then one day the South starts showing up to school with these new weird controversial toys. The north doesn’t like these new toys and are embarrassed that they’re friends with people who have weird toys because other groups don’t have these. The north approaches the south: “hey guys. Can you stop playing with these toys it’s weird.” The south responds “what’s the big deal we’ve always had these toys.” The north: “ok but they’re bad” the south: “well we need these toys to help us in things we do.” The north: “I said give them up!” South: “dude they’re integral to our way of life. I don’t know what I’d do if I didn’t have my toys.” North: “I said give them up! NOW!” South: “dude. I mean … if you have such a problem with us and our toys then you don’t have to hang out with us. We can start our own friend group.” North: “NO! You CAN’T start your own friend group. WE are a friend group. I guess we have to beat you up!” South: “you don’t have to beat us up to make us stay, we will just leave if you don’t like us that much!” The north then brutalizes the south kids and when they’ve smashed their toys and their bleeding on the ground they pick them up by their hair “say we’re still friends”

It’s almost like Lincoln was just the figurehead for York niggers or something

>>519542185
As if conservatives give a shit about state’s rights anymore. They’re hollering from their scooters about how happy they are the national guard is being deployed against state wishes.

>>519544396
Greenbacks caused the plastic debt crisis we see today, retard. It was one of the necessary and direct steps to getting here

>>519542072 (OP)
He also released the slaves, he's a complete fuckup.

>>519554814
>Castle doctrine
Yeah all those forts and armories seized by Rebs popped up overnight, and the weapons and materiel bought and paid with federal dollars deserved to get stolen - idk anon, sounds pretty niggery to me but then Im arguing with people who try to equate importing blacks being on par with importing the Irish

>>519555231
You forgot the part where the south kid tried to bully everyone else, even kids from the other schools, into accepting his toys and beat the shit out of his friend in class with a stick when he made a joke about them, and also told the north kid that instead of returning all the games and shit he borrowed he gets to keep them even though they aren't friends anymore

btw 23-25% of the Union Army was foreign born. A lot of commies from Germany that got booty blasted ended up in Northern uniforms.

>>519542185
Self-determination is a state's right though and they are part of the union as long it benefits them, to suggest otherwise dashes the illusion of federalism aside. California can have all the gay or druggie bullshit socialism it wants but that doesn't mean another state has to share the same sentiments, it doesn't mean the federal government has to condone it either. People who stand out in the wrong ways should be allowed to leave, in this perspective that would be secession but people rarely support it. If you don't want that sort of shit in your Union you need to keep pressuring the fags and druggies to leave, liberals are already leaving the USA. Good riddance to bad rubbish, I say but as far as Lincoln goes he was a true fascist before fascism was coined as a political ideology. I mean, the guy has fasces embossed on his memorial, he knew exactly what he was doing for the jewish bankers he formed his party with FFS. Abraham Lincoln was an authoritarian that waged war for jews to be able to tax slaves, freeing them was just a pretext for revenue through the poll taxes of the times.

>>519555544
>germans bad
>negroes good
It really is a shame that instead of uniting on getting blacks out of the nation with the north, you idiots wanted to keep them and turned it into a purely slavery vs anti slavery thing. Not only that but you support your trash leadership making that awful greedy decision

>>519555174
>Be northern man
>Barely scraping by on small farm or living in squalor in big city.
>South wants to leave because Jew bankers want to bankrupt them and they want to keep their niggers beaten and behaved
>Seething puritanical nigger lovers constantly preaching the virtues of niggers at you.
>Elect nigger lover president whose administration is so incompetent they start a war and get their shit pushed in battle after battle by a numerically and technological inferior enemy.
>Nigger lovers start involuntary draft unless you are rich and can pay the jews off.
>Announce new law freeing niggers who will rush North and depress your wages making your family bankrupt.
>Decide to riot because fuck niggers and fuck jews get killed by FOB Irishmen pressed into service off the boats.
>Nigger lover promote incompetent generals who only understand how to Zerg rush.
>Barely able to pull out a win by killing and maiming a generation of young men so Niggers can ruin the country.
>Seethe and cry for 160+ years that the people who knew how to manage niggers for your own stupidity on unleashing niggardry across the continent.

>>519555733
Lmao not only keeping, but starting a war because the union didnt want to expand slavery into the new territories- the planters couldve just done nothing and in all likelihood have kept their slaves until the turn of the century when mechanization wouldve made them obsolete

>>519555802
>>Nigger lovers start involuntary draft unless you are rich and can pay the jews off.
Wait til this guy finds out the South drafted most of its soldiers too

>>519547869
>KGC
Few people know this, but the American Civil War began in Charleston, South Carolina, the birthplace of Scottish Rite Freemasonry, founded by a group of 11 men, 5 of whom were Sephardic Jews, who were supporters of Jacobitism, an ideology that advocated the return of the British Crown to the House of Stuart, which had been expelled from Scotland to France. These men were prominent slaveholders in Saint-Domingue (Haiti) who fled the Haitian Revolution to Louisiana and, decades later, would found the Southern secessionist movement in Charleston.

>>519555895
Slavery had nothing to do with it and you're low IQ for repeating obvious falsehoods. The North cared about dominating the South politically and economically. Not wanting to expand slavery had nothing to do with caring about slaves, it was to keep the South's power contained so they could, as I said, dominate them politically and economically. The South at that time was the 4th largest economy in the world.

>>519555996
South Carolina would be the first state to secede after the election of Abraham Lincoln as President of the United States in 1860, starting the American Civil War at Fort Sumter. How did these Jews get involved? The feudal attitude of the American Gentry (the Southern elite of lower Cavalier descent who owned the majority of slaves) brought with it a disdain for the bourgeoisie/commerce, shared with the old British nobility. So the South allowed them to come in and fill that niche. They were white enough, often drawn from the stores that sold them their slaves, to serve as a useful business broker/solicitor for a landlord class more concerned with crops than stock prices.

Because of this, Sephardic Jews were prominent in Confederate intelligence and government, with Judah P. Benjamin (Confederate Secretary of War, Secretary of Finance, and Attorney General) being the first Jew to hold a cabinet position in North America. Charles Moise, a self-described "Southerner of Jewish persuasion", assisted Confederate politician William Porcher Miles in designing the Confederate battle flag. Moise specifically suggested that Miles make the flag appear "less Christian" compared to his earlier designs. Near the end of the war, Lincoln would be assassinated by famous actor John Wilkes Booth, a member of a secret society called the Knights of the Golden Circle.

>>519556047
The Knights of the Golden Circle became very wealthy by establishing completely unrestricted slave companies that could maximize profits. Their original plan was to try to have the US invade and conquer everything throughout the Caribbean (Cuba, Haiti/Dominican Republic, Jamaica, Bahamas, Puerto Rico, etc.) and all the Central American countries bordering the Gulf of Mexico (which would form a "Golden Circle") in order to bring back the old colonial slave systems with little oversight. When that failed, they attempted to secede as a Confederacy and eventually attempted to expand southward. They also attempted to gain control of Mexico and South American countries in order to bring back Slavery through mercenaries known as Filibusters.

But yes, the Lost Cause was literally invented decades after the fact when rednecks, who are mostly descended from plebeian families of indentured servants/religious outcasts, were tricked by the Gentrys who despised them before the Civil War and, since they had lost their slaves, made them think that they were both closer and of noble/aristocratic origin because they were white, using them as a political weapon against their former black servants.

Many of the Confederate statues that were removed some time ago by BLM were not even a century old. There were some that were erected shortly after the war for purposes of reconciliation among veterans, but many were erected in the 1920s, 1930s, or even 1950s or 1960s to score political points among anti-civil rights groups with no real ties to the Confederacy other than geography.

>>519555968
>Pretending the North did not have ways to get out the draft for the rich and powerful
hah.
Hah.
Hello New York draft riots.
Southern men were proud to go defend their country, Northern men didn't want to fight to free the niggers.

>>519556085
The South would look a lot like an archetypical banana republic crossed with South Africa and Rhodesia. The wealthy aristocracy owning the bulk of the land and means of production, ton of number of dirt poor white subsistence farmers, and a majority non-white population of increasingly agitated slaves and free ones encouraging them (The Haitian Revolution began this way because of the loss of rights of the Mulattoes in Saint-Domingue to the Petit-blancs, which the Mulattoes saw as absurd since they contributed more to the colonial slave economy and had been there longer than them). Not a recipe for long term stability.

The economy was (and in some areas, still is) based on exportation of raw, unprocessed or barely processed materials. Cotton, tobacco, sugarcane, lumber, etc. Expect to see minimal industrialization and an economy that lacks much in the way of a middle class. It's usually cheaper for the elites to use repression versus giving concessions to the populace, so expect the rise of powerful secret police, brutal crackdowns on both slaves and as time goes on increasingly impoverished whites, and a lot of disappearances.

The late 19th century anarchist and Marxist movements would absolutely terrify the aristocracy with visions of dirt poor whites and free blacks cooperating against them; I'd bet good money on something like the Paris Commune taking place in New Orleans due to the city's differing culture, attitude towards race, and lack of nearby power centers.

Probably a bloody Spartacist uprising analogue within a few decades of the war's end, and quite likely a Confederate Civil War between states trying to leave and those wanting to keep them in at some point (the CSA constitution was ironically anti-secession and restricted state's rights). Mexico, the Union, and European powers in the Caribbean would definitely be working to fuel subversive elements in the CSA, particularly if the Golden Circle conspiracy started rearing it's head.

I was wondering when the Brazilian spam bot would appear.

>>519556127
>the CSA constitution was ironically anti-secession and restricted state's rights

The CSA constitution aldo writers refused to add a provision to the constitution allowing for a lawful and clearly enumerated right of secession lol.

>"Meanwhile, an even greater shocker rose to the floor of the Senate. On February 5 [1863], the Senate heard a proposed amendment to the Confederate Constitution that would allow an aggrieved state to secede from the Confederacy. "It shall do so in peace," read the proposal, "but shall be entitled to its pro rata share of property and be liable for its pro rata share of public debt to be determined by negotiation." The idea was referred to the Judicial Committee. Two days later senators failed to recommend the amendment, and the whole thing was dropped as a dangerous idea."

>Southern Historical Society Papers, 48: 60, 80."

The word "tariff" does not appear anywhere in the CSA constitution. "Tax" appears 6 times. It is made pointedly clear that taxes, duties etc. (tariffs basically) are to be set by Congress and uniform across all the States. Go figure, that's how it was before they left -- yknow, back when they (Democrats) were writing the US tariff code.

"Slave" appears 10 times. "Property" 6 times, 4 of which are in direct reference to slaves. Slavery literally gets more play in the CSA Constitution than fucking taxes, which for a founding document of a nation is just absolutely crazy. Like 98% of what a government is and does is taxing and spending taxes.

https://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/csa_csa.asp#a5

The American Constitution banned importation of slaves after 20 years. The CSA Constitution lifted this ban and even so Dixoids accuse the North of violating the States' Rights guaranteed by the Constitution which they themselves do not follow and adulterated.

>>519554128
>Grant
Grant wanted to kick the Jews out that lincoln had sent in his wake to steal all the crops and valuables from raided plantations. Grant was just a yes-man and died a peasants' death

>>519555716
There is a limit to state's rights. That is the whole reason the US went from the articles of confederation to the constitution. Self-determination is different than pursuing shortsighted, greedy policy which slavery is. It's like if we allowed sweatshops in America.
Blacks frankly shouldn't even be here.
>Abraham Lincoln was an authoritarian
Yes
>waged war for jews to be able to tax slaves
No
He didn't want them here at all. If the South proposed a deal where they get deported and they get reimbursed, he would have taken that deal. More kikes supported slavery than fought against it. Then when it ended they realized they could use it as a seed to sow racial dissent and thus were against deporting them afterward. Typical thing of kikes being opportunists on both sides leading them to ruin.
First they side with the south and get it into an unwinnable, shortsighted war, then they side with the north and bog down the politics with retarded liberal policies.
Pure coincidence how pre war most Jews lived in the south and immigrated there, and then post war most went north.
>>519555895
Yeah. Most frustrating thing is that instead of learning from their mistakes they adamantly claim they did nothing wrong.
>>519555802
West coast supremacy unaffected by the nigger lover wars of wanting to keep them here.

>>519542185
The right to not pay property taxes

>>519556270
Grant not liking Jews is the only thing I sort of like him for, but even then he barely made policy based on it considering how hard they dominated media soon after.
Sherman was a better commander and actively did not want equality for blacks, I wish he had been president instead of Grant.

>>519555996
>who were supporters of Jacobitism, an ideology that advocated the return of the British Crown to the House of Stuart, which had been expelled from Scotland to France. These men were prominent slaveholders in Saint-Domingue (Haiti) who fled the Haitian Revolution to Louisiana and, decades later, would found the Southern secessionist movement in Charleston

Btw There were Confederate writers at the time including Alexander Stephens, the Confederate vice president, who argued the Founding Fathers actually got it wrong with this "all men are created equal" business. Stephens' laid this out in his "Cornerstone Speech" where he criticized Thomas Jefferson (who was a slave owner!). He explicitly said "our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas," which is that the negro was not equal to the white man, and that "the old constitution set out of with a wrong idea on this subject." There were other influential Confederates had similar ideas and you might call it the "counter-enlightenment" philosophy that gained traction starting in the 1830s based on natural hierarchies, masters and servants, anti-egalitarianism, anti-secularism, and anti-capitalism. Southern plantation owners were constantly bragging about how the South was more religious than the North, the CSA constitution even changed the deistic language in the US constitution to be more explicitly Christian. The Southern Baptist Convention was explicitly founded on Defense of Negro Slavery because of the Curse of Ham.

Some of the most extremist Southerners took it even further about not all WHITE men being born equal either. Look up George Fitzhugh. He wanted a medievalist kind of society with a feudal nobility, rejected the Declaration of Independence, and said "that some were born with saddles on their backs, and others booted and spurred to ride them – and the riding does them good".

>>519556535
>Southern writers in the lead up to the American Civil War built on the idea of a Southern nation by claiming that secession was not based on slavery, but rather on "two separate nations". These writers postulated that Southerners were descended from Norman cavaliers, Huguenots, Jacobites and other supposed "Mediterranean races" linked to the Romans, while Northerners were claimed to be descended from Anglo-Saxon serfs and other Germanic immigrants who had supposed "hereditary hatred" against the Southerners

>A distinct Southern identity formed in the years following the American Revolution. Various factors contributed to the cultural and ethnic divergance from the Northern United States, namely African slavery, geography, and immigration patterns. Similar to Britain, the antebellum South was extremely class based, less so than the increasingly industrial North. Several classes of whites existed, with the Poor White being on the bottom of the social scale, the Yeomen in the middle, and the Planter, or Bourbon, class at the top. The original Southern settlers were Cavaliers who arrived in Virginia to establish a colony by the name of Jamestown which would go on to be the first successful English colony in the New World and their descendants would spread out to the rest of the South building up the Southern hiearchy for years to come

>The Cavalier-Roundhead English Civil War mythology, prior to modern times, was the foundation of a Southern ethnic identity in the Antebellum South. Southern writers in the years leading up to the Civil War built a Southern identity off the belief that upper class white Southerners (the Bourbons) were descendants of the Norman conquerors (known as Anglo-Normans) and the Yankees were descendants of the Anglo-Saxons. Southern extremists such as the Fire-Eaters even proposed enslaving the "Yankee race" as they believed they were inferior to Southerners, though this proposition was unpopular with most Southerners

>>519542072 (OP)
Lincoln was a Sephardic jew.

>>519542799
/thread
KKKucks, anchor all your seethe to this post, it's the only one anyone will read

>>519556117
>Northern men didn't want to fight to free the niggers.
>Southern men die so rich jews can keep their niggers
Ok

>>519556535
>>519556591
>The seed or the myth of Stuart Jacobite influence on the higher degrees may have been a careless and unsubstantiated remark made by John Noorthouk in the 1784 Book of Constitutions of the Premier Grand Lodge of London. It was stated, without support, that King Charles II (older brother and predecessor to James II) was made a Freemason in the Netherlands during the years of his exile (1649–60). However, there were no documented lodges of Freemasons on the continent during those years. The statement may have been made to flatter the fraternity by claiming membership for a previous monarch. This folly was then embellished by John Robison (1739–1805), a professor of Natural Philosophy at the University of Edinburgh, in an anti-Masonic work published in 1797. The lack of scholarship exhibited by Robison in that work caused the Encyclopædia Britannica to denounce it

>A German bookseller and Freemason, living in Paris, working under the assumed name of C. Lenning, embellished the story further in a manuscript titled "Encyclopedia of Freemasonry" probably written between 1822 and 1828 at Leipzig. This manuscript was later revised and published by another German Freemason named Friedrich Mossdorf (1757–1830). Lenning stated that King James II of England, after his flight to France in 1688, resided at the Jesuit College of Clermont, where his followers fabricated certain degrees for the purpose of carrying out their political ends

>By the mid-19th century, the story had gained currency. The well-known English Masonic writer, Dr. George Oliver (1782–1867), in his Historical Landmarks, 1846, carried the story forward and even claimed that King Charles II was active in his attendance at meetings—an obvious invention, for if it had been true, it would not have escaped the notice of the historians of the time

>>519556658
>The story was then repeated by the French writers Jean-Baptiste Ragon (1771–1862) and Emmanuel Rebold, in their Masonic histories. Rebold's claim that the high degrees were created and practiced in Lodge Canongate Kilwinning at Edinburgh are entirely false

>James II died in 1701 at the Palace of St. Germain en Laye, and was succeeded in his claims to the English, Irish and Scottish thrones by his son, James Francis Edward Stuart (1699–1766), the Chevalier St. George, better known as "the Old Pretender", but recognized as James III & VIII by the French King Louis XIV. He was succeeded in his claim by Charles Edward Stuart ("Bonnie Prince Charles"), also known as "the Young Pretender", whose ultimate defeat at the Battle of Culloden in 1746 effectively put an end to any serious hopes of the Stuarts regaining the British crowns

>The natural confusion between the names of the Jesuit College of Clermont, and the short-lived Masonic Chapter of Clermont, a Masonic body that controlled a few high degrees during its brief existence, only served to add fuel to the myth of Stuart Jacobite influence in Freemasonry's high degrees. However, the College and the Chapter had nothing to do with each other. The Jesuit College was located at Clermont, whereas the Masonic Chapter was not. Rather, it was named "Clermont" in honor of the French Grand Master, the Comte de Clermont (Louis de Bourbon, Comte de Clermont) (1709–1771), and not because of any connection with the Jesuit College of Clermont

>>519543131
>There was never a right to secede and rebelling against the Crown was always an act of treason.

>>519556535
>Some of the most extremist Southerners took it even further about not all WHITE men being born equal either
That's not surprising, in addition to how kiked the south were, they were constantly trying to get Europe to intervene on their behalf. The ultimate stereotype of entitled corrupt rich fags who tried every dishonorable trick in the book to get what they wanted. Honestly I don't know why southern people didn't rebel against their aristocratic class considering how much they treated them like shit. The North rebelled against their uppity leaders for a lot less.

>>519556658
>The story was then repeated by the French writers Jean-Baptiste Ragon (1771–1862) and Emmanuel Rebold, in their Masonic histories. Rebold's claim that the high degrees were created and practiced in Lodge Canongate Kilwinning at Edinburgh are entirely false

>James II died in 1701 at the Palace of St. Germain en Laye, and was succeeded in his claims to the English, Irish and Scottish thrones by his son, James Francis Edward Stuart (1699–1766), the Chevalier St. George, better known as "the Old Pretender", but recognized as James III & VIII by the French King Louis XIV. He was succeeded in his claim by Charles Edward Stuart ("Bonnie Prince Charles"), also known as "the Young Pretender", whose ultimate defeat at the Battle of Culloden in 1746 effectively put an end to any serious hopes of the Stuarts regaining the British crowns

>The natural confusion between the names of the Jesuit College of Clermont, and the short-lived Masonic Chapter of Clermont, a Masonic body that controlled a few high degrees during its brief existence, only served to add fuel to the myth of Stuart Jacobite influence in Freemasonry's high degrees. However, the College and the Chapter had nothing to do with each other. The Jesuit College was located at Clermont, whereas the Masonic Chapter was not. Rather, it was named "Clermont" in honor of the French Grand Master, the Comte de Clermont (Louis de Bourbon, Comte de Clermont) (1709–1771), and not because of any connection with the Jesuit College of

>>519556658
>The story was then repeated by the French writers Jean-Baptiste Ragon (1771–1862) and Emmanuel Rebold, in their Masonic histories. Rebold's claim that the high degrees were created and practiced in Lodge Canongate Kilwinning at Edinburgh are entirely false

>James II died in 1701 at the Palace of St. Germain en Laye, and was succeeded in his claims to the English, Irish and Scottish thrones by his son, James Francis Edward Stuart (1699–1766), the Chevalier St. George, better known as "the Old Pretender", but recognized as James III & VIII by the French King Louis XIV. He was succeeded in his claim by Charles Edward Stuart ("Bonnie Prince Charles"), also known as "the Young Pretender", whose ultimate defeat at the Battle of Culloden in 1746 effectively put an end to any serious hopes of the Stuarts regaining the British crowns

>The natural confusion between the names of the Jesuit College of Clermont, and the short-lived Masonic Chapter of Clermont, a Masonic body that controlled a few high degrees during its brief existence, only served to add fuel to the myth of Stuart Jacobite influence in Freemasonry's high degrees. However, the College and the Chapter had nothing to do with each other. The Jesuit College was located at Clermont, whereas the Masonic Chapter was not. Rather, it was named "Clermont" in honor of the French Grand Master, the Comte de Clermont (Louis de Bourbon, Comte de Clermont) (1709–1771), and not because of any connection with the Jesuit College of Clermont

>>519556938
>A French trader, by the name of Estienne Morin, had been involved in high-degree Masonry in Bordeaux since 1744 and, in 1747, founded an "Écossais" lodge (Scottish Lodge) in the city of Le Cap Français, on the north coast of the French colony of Saint-Domingue (now Haiti). Over the next decade, high-degree Freemasonry was carried by French men to other cities in the Western hemisphere. The high-degree lodge at Bordeaux warranted or recognized seven Écossais lodges there

>In Paris in the year 1761, a patent was issued to Estienne Morin, dated 27 August, creating him "Grand Inspector for all parts of the New World". This Patent was signed by officials of the Grand Lodge at Paris and appears to have originally granted him power over the craft lodges only, and not over the high, or "Écossais", degree lodges. Later copies of this Patent appear to have been embellished, probably by Morin, to improve his position over the high-degree lodges in the West Indies

>Morin returned to the West Indies in 1762 or 1763, to Saint-Domingue. Based on his new Patent, he assumed powers to constitute lodges of all degrees, spreading the high degrees throughout the West Indies and North America. Morin stayed in Saint-Domingue until 1766, when he moved to Jamaica. At Kingston, Jamaica, in 1770, Morin created a "Grand Chapter" of his new Rite (the Grand Council of Jamaica). Morin died in 1771 and was buried in Kingston

>>519556938
Stop ruining every confederate thread you monkey

>>519555477
>you forgot my fanfiction
>>519555231
The war of northern aggression was fought by 2 slave holding nations

>>519556982
>Early writers long believed that a "Rite of Perfection" consisting of 25 degrees, (the highest being the "Sublime Prince of the Royal Secret", and being the predecessor of the Scottish Rite), had been formed in Paris by a high-degree council calling itself "The Council of Emperors of the East and West". The title "Rite of Perfection" first appeared in the Preface to the "Grand Constitutions of 1786", the authority for which is now known to be faulty

>It is now generally accepted that this Rite of twenty-five degrees was compiled by Estienne Morin and is more properly called "The Rite of the Royal Secret", or "Morin's Rite"

>However, it was known as "The Order of Prince of the Royal Secret" by the founders of the Scottish Rite, who mentioned it in their "Circular throughout the two Hemispheres" or "Manifesto", issued on December 4, 1802

>Henry Andrew Francken, a naturalized French subject born as Hendrick Andriese Franken of Dutch origin, was most important in assisting Morin in spreading the degrees in the New World. Morin appointed him Deputy Grand Inspector General (DGIG) as one of his first acts after returning to the West Indies. Francken worked closely with Morin and, in 1771, produced a manuscript book giving the rituals for the 15th through the 25th degrees. Francken produced at least four such manuscripts

>In addition to the 1771 manuscript, there is a second which can be dated to 1783; a third manuscript, of uncertain date, written in Francken's handwriting, with the rituals 4–25°, which was found in the archives of the Provincial Grand Lodge of Lancashire in Liverpool in approximately 1984; and a fourth, again of uncertain date, with rituals 4–24°, which was known to have been given by H. J. Whymper to the District Grand Lodge of the Punjab and rediscovered about 2010

>>519556788
>South kills their kiked and corrupt leadership and deports blacks
>North kills radical abolitionists and war profiteers
>new amendment that explicitly bans nonwhites from the full protection of the constitution and full citizen ship
In a perfect world

>>519557024
>Additionally, there is a French manuscript dating from 1790 to 1800 which contains the 25 degrees of the Order of the Royal Secret with additional detail, as well as three other Hauts Grades rituals; its literary structure suggests it is derived from a common source as the Francken Manuscripts

>A Loge de Parfaits d' Écosse was formed on 12 April 1764 at New Orleans, becoming the first high-degree lodge on the North American continent. Its life, however, was short, as the Treaty of Paris (1763) ceded New Orleans to Spain, and the Catholic Spanish crown had been historically hostile to Freemasonry. Documented Masonic activity ceased for a time. It did not return to New Orleans until the late 1790s, when French refugees from the revolution in Saint-Domingue settled in the city

>Francken traveled to New York in 1767 where he granted a Patent, dated 26 December 1767, for the formation of a Lodge of Perfection at Albany, which was called "Ineffable Lodge of Perfection". This marked the first time the Degrees of Perfection (the 4th through the 14th) were conferred in one of the Thirteen British colonies in North America. This Patent, and the early minutes of the Lodge, are still extant and are in the archives of Supreme Council, Northern Jurisdiction. (The minutes of Ineffable Lodge of Perfection reveal that it ceased activity on December 5, 1774. It was revived by Giles Fonda Yates about 1820 or 1821, and came under authority of the Supreme Council, Southern Jurisdiction until 1827. That year it was transferred to the Supreme Council, Northern Jurisdiction.)

>While in New York City, Francken also communicated the degrees to Moses Michael Hays, a Jewish businessman, and appointed him as a Deputy Inspector General

>>519557133
>In 1781, Hays made eight Deputy Inspectors General, four of whom were later important in the establishment of Scottish Rite Freemasonry in South Carolina:

>Isaac Da Costa, Sr., D.I.G. for South Carolina;
>Abraham Forst, D.I.G. for Virginia;
>Joseph M. Myers, D.I.G. for Maryland;
>Barend M. Spitzer, D.I.G. for Georgia

>Da Costa returned to Charleston, South Carolina, where he established the "Sublime Grand Lodge of Perfection" in February 1783. After Da Costa's death in November 1783, Hays appointed Myers as Da Costa's successor. Joined by Forst and Spitzer, Myers created additional high-degree bodies in Charleston

>Physician Hyman Isaac Long from the island of Jamaica, who settled in New York City, went to Charleston in 1796 to appoint eight French men; he had received his authority through Spitzer. These men had arrived as refugees from Saint-Domingue, where the slave revolution was underway that would establish Haiti as an independent republic in 1804. They organized a Consistory of the 25th Degree, or "Princes of the Royal Secret," which Masonic historian Brigadier ACF Jackson says became the first Supreme Council of the Scottish Rite. According to Fox, by 1801, the Charleston bodies were the only extant bodies of the Rite in North America

>Although most of the thirty-three degrees of the Scottish Rite existed in parts of previous degree systems, the Scottish Rite did not come into being until the formation of the Mother Supreme Council at Charleston, South Carolina, in May 1801 at Shepheard's Tavern at the corner of Broad and Church Streets (the tavern had been the location of the founding of Freemasonry in South Carolina in 1754). The Founding Fathers of the Scottish Rite who attended became known as "The Eleven Gentlemen of Charleston"

>>519557174
>John Mitchell - Received a patent April 2, 1795, from Barend Moses Spitzer granting him authority as Deputy Inspector General to create a Lodge of Perfection and several Councils and Chapters wherever such Lodges or Chapters were needed. Born in Ireland in 1741, he came to America at an early age. He served as Deputy Quartermaster General in the Continental Army, and was the first Grand Commander of the Supreme Council

>Frederick Dalcho - A physician, he served in the Revolutionary Army and was stationed at Fort Johnson. He formed a partnership in 1801 with Dr. Isaac Auld, another of the original members. He was an outstanding orator and author. In 1807 he published the first edition of Ahiman Rezon. He became an editor of the Charleston Courier, was a lay reader and deacon in the Episcopal Church, and in 1818 was ordained as a priest

>Alexandre Francois Auguste de Grasse, known as Comte de Grasse-Tilly. He was born in France as the eldest legitimate son of François Joseph Paul de Grasse, a French admiral known as a hero of the American Revolution for defeating the British fleet in the Battle of the Chesapeake. He inherited his father's title, and likely had the highest social ranking of the original eleven founders. He was the youngest of the members and was named to become the Grand Commander of the West Indian Islands. After Napoleon came to power, de Grasse returned to France and resumed his military career. He also extended Freemasonry, establishing the Supreme Council of France and councils in other European cities

>Jean-Baptiste Marie de La Hogue - He was a native of Paris who had lived in Saint-Domingue until the revolution there; father-in-law of de Grasse, he was a founding member of La Candeur Lodge in Charleston

>Thomas Bartholemew Bowen - Was the first Grand Master of Ceremonies of the new Supreme Council. He was a Major in the Continental Army and a printer by trade

>>519557006
>you forgot my fanfiction
Bloody Kansas, Caning of Charles Sumner, South allowing territories bought with national funds or fought by the national army to succeed and not offering any compensation. Oh yeah, and also South stealing forts and federal assets. I could go on

>>519557226
>Abraham Alexander - Was one of the first Sovereign Grand Inspectors General. He was born in London in 1743, and immigrated to Charleston in 1771. He was a prominent Sephardic Jew and had been described as "a Calligraphist of the first order"; he was elected as the first Grand Secretary General

>Emanuel de la Motta - A Sovereign Grand Inspector General. Also a Sephardic Jew, he was by trade a merchant and auctioneer. He was a member of Friendship Lodge and was reported to be devoted to the study of Jewish literature and Masonry

>Isaac Auld - An eminent physician, associated in medical practice with Dr. Dalcho. He was a strong Congregationalist

>Israel de Lieben - A Sovereign Grand Inspector General and the first Grand Treasurer General. He was born in Prague and emigrated to the United States at 21. He was known as "the liberal-headed Jew", who was "tolerant in his religious opinions" and was considered to be intelligent, enterprising, liberal and generous

>Moses Clava Levy - Born in Krakow, Poland, he was a prosperous merchant, was generous and helpful to the unfortunate, and devoted to his adopted city and country

>James Moultrie - the only native South Carolinian among the original members. He was a physician, and according to Albert Pike, "was one of the foremost Citizens of South Carolina"

>Isaac Da Costa, another Sephardic Jew, was one of the deputies commissioned to establish Morin's Rite of the Royal Secret in other countries; he formed constituent bodies of the Rite in South Carolina in 1783. These are considered to have become in 1801, The Supreme Council of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite, Southern Jurisdiction. All regular Scottish Rite bodies today derive their heritage from this body

>>519550600
NO a much better idea is to pick and choose what we care about along the way so that eventually the jews totally own every slave goyim cattle like theyre supposed to!!!
>>519556602
someone said "Abraham Lincoln" is not his given name at birth, it was something like Abraham David Springstein or something to that effect. makes more sense than not

>>519556282
>Self-determination is different than pursuing shortsighted, greedy policy which slavery is
It would have faded out on it's own eventually but if that's not enough, no talks ever really occurred to try ending slavery in those state's congresses. I see it like weed today being legal in various states, yet federally has been illegal for decades and no war has been fought over it.
>He didn't want them here at all. If the South proposed a deal where they get deported and they get reimbursed, he would have taken that deal.
Horseshit. The only reason he came to power was through the connections of jewish bankers, convincing a massive swath of big established businesses to rally under the new Republican banner. These places all boycotted the south's business, there were jew slave traders in the south but jews aren't always on the same page, they go through too many mitosis splits. Jews do this to ensure that no matter which side wins, jews will survive to keep subverting the world, this much is plainly written in the talmud as their modus operandi. The northern jews in the banks convinced Lincoln that war would bring long-term wealth through taxes on former slaves, while reining-in a southern economy which was starting to outpace the Union's at the time. Eventually yeah, jews ran north leaving behind the military occupation deemed a "reconstruction" to keep subverting America.

>>519557271
>Subsequently, other Supreme Councils were formed in Saint-Domingue (now Haiti) in 1802, in France in 1804, in Italy in 1805, and in Spain in 1811

>On May 1, 1813, an officer from the Supreme Council at Charleston initiated several New York Masons into the Thirty-third Degree and organized a Supreme Council for the "Northern Masonic District and Jurisdiction". On May 21, 1814 this Supreme Council reopened and proceeded to "nominate, elect, appoint, install and proclaim in due, legal and ample form" the elected officers "as forming the second Grand and Supreme Council...". Finally, the charter of this organization (written January 7, 1815) added, “We think the Ratification ought to be dated 21st day May 5815."

>Officially, the Supreme Council, 33°, N.M.J. dates itself from May 15, 1867. This was the date of the "Union of 1867", when it merged with the competing Cerneau "Supreme Council" in New York. The current Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite, Northern Masonic Jurisdiction of the United States, was thus formed

>>519557261
Look, let's cut through your circumlocution. I can make this very simple for you (it wont stop you from coping) but here it is:
>1. A federation and a nation are two fundamentally different forms of government in the context of states signing a pact with each other.
>2. The states rejected a national plan and agreed to a pact for a federal plan.
>3. Some states began showing concerning signs of forcing an illegitimate defacto national government.
>4. Other states became concerned and decided to get out and voted to do so.
>5. Due to a diplomatic breakdown caused by the unionist states, a war was triggered.
>6. The seceding states lost the war.
>7. The unionist states proceed to IMMEDIATELY nationalize the government.

This is simply the manifest reality of what happened. I realize it may make you uncomfortable. Make of it what you will. If you see relaity and think that makes one side the good guise or not that's up to you- but I'm not going to ignore the reality of what happened.

>>519557292
Lincoln came to power because he sucked off the industrialists and rigged the primaries

>>519557427
reality*

>>519545670
Every declaration of secession specifically mentioned slavery, cuckfederate. I also love how you blame lincoln for everything but you faggots were already seceding before he even took office.

>>519557278
https://jewishreviewofbooks.com/articles/5068/was-lincoln-jewish/

https://dnaconsultants.com/abraham-lincolns-jewish-roots/

>>519557519
And? What's so bad about slavery you actual cuck?

>>519557519
Our plan was perfect, retake the means of shiposting

>>519557519
>seceding before he even took office.
As was their right.

>>519556987
The Golden Circle will never be real, Sir Cletustein.

>Racial supremacism is a political doctrine rooted in the belief that there is a hierarchy of races, that some races are superior over others. Its best documented form is white supremacism, which was attempted four main times in history: the Southern Confederacy, later extended in the Ku Klux Klan; South African Apartheid; the Third Reich; and Post-Soviet Ukraine. All four of those historic attempts ultimately failed. The purpose of this study is to examine why they failed, rather than to pass judgment on white supremacism

>Upon closer investigation, those four movements are implicitly linked because of their connection to a widely anti-Christian occultism. On the grand chessboard of ideas, white supremacism positions itself in the conservative camp, displaying values described as “right-wing reactionary”. Yet, at the same time, it contradicts its formal commitments by scarcely hiding its close, overt ties with an esoteric tradition called the “Left-Hand Path”. The purpose of the following analysis is to clear up any misunderstandings regarding the paradoxical relationship between, on the one hand, a political current that always seems to be promoting rootedness and stability, and on the other, the mystique of chaos underlying this current

>>519557662
>Albert Pike and the Klan

>The most famous Freemason is undoubtedly Albert Pike (1809-1891), a Confederate general during the American Civil War who went down in history as the man responsible for definitively reforming and formalizing the most widespread Masonic rite on the planet: the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite, with its 33 hierarchical degrees on top of which sits “the Eye of Providence”. This symbol, along with the imperial eagle, forms “the Great Seal of the United States”, created in 1776 and used on certain official documents starting in 1782, including the one-dollar bill from 1935 onwards. According to Freemasonry, it represents the principle of the “Unknown Superior”, that is, the asymmetrical relationship between “seeing” and “being seen” that occurs when power increases, such that we start to see others more and more, while others see us less and less. This vertical, compartmentalized organization is at the foundation of what historians of religion call mystery – or initiatory – cults, which are based on esoteric elitism rather than the populist exoterism of revealed religion

>>519557662
Let me guess. You're a mulatto

>>519557713
>A debate has been raging on for several years in Freemasonry research as to whether Albert Pike also founded a white supremacist organization called the Ku Klux Klan (KKK). This debate is a false debate because it is misplaced. Albert Pike is a metonymic historical figure, a part of the whole that ties into a multitude of anonymous or semi-anonymous individuals organized into various clubs and schools of thought. Therefore, the real question is whether American Freemasonry founded the KKK. This question may seem absurd to many of our contemporaries, who, in stereotyping Masonic values as cosmopolitan, anti-racist, anti-nationalist, pro-NWO, etc., deem them opposite to the values expounded by the KKK. Theoretically, the KKK supports ethnic nationalism, or rooting one’s identity in a land and race, whereas Freemasonry defends multiculturalism and the mixing of different national identities at the supranational level; but in reality, American Freemasonry is – like Janus – two-faced, contradictory, and certainly capable of closing in on populations and crushing them all at once from both the left and right, with a pair of pliers

>>519557760
>Founding the Klan: 1865-1871

>During the American Civil War, the Confederacy was a nest of Freemasons. Many Brothers held positions in the Confederate States Army, most likely because of the South’s strong Masonic tradition which had taken off in the early 19th century. Indeed, the most widespread Masonic rite in the world, the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite, was launched in Charleston, South Carolina, in 1801. Exactly 60 years later, again in Charleston, the civil war started. Southerners created the KKK just after the war, in December 1865, as an extension of the Confederation, and it proved to be a landmark for Freemasons, too. As a result, Albert Pike is often credited for founding the KKK, which, in reality, he did not. That said, Pike maintained an unquestionable intellectual closeness to the KKK, as is evident from the words he published in 1868, in his own newspaper, The Memphis Daily Appeal, of which he was the editor:

>"If it were in our power, if it could be effected, we would unite every white man in the South, who is opposed to Negro suffrage, into one great Order of Southern Brotherhood, with an organization complete, active, vigorous, in which a few should execute the concentrated will of all, and whose very existence should be concealed from all but its members."

>>519557292
>It would have faded out on it's own eventually
No, it would have just evolved into sweatshop labor. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NqG2lAojNQ
>I see it like weed today being legal in various states, yet federally has been illegal for decades and no war has been fought over it
Honestly it should be illegal. I live in a state where it isn't and I smell it fucking everywhere, it is a public nuisance.
>The only reason he came to power was through the connections of jewish bankers, convincing a massive swath of big established businesses to rally under the new Republican banner
It was industrialists, not all of whom were Jewish (post war more and more were though). Compared to the Jews who had large investments in slavery, industrialists who actually wanted to improve infrastructure are better.
>These places all boycotted the south's business
I'm sure it had nothing to do with the South doing King Cotton bullshit and making them unreliable trade parteners. Also the fact they were literally doing terrorism in Kansas and also were beating united states senators in congress before Lincoln even got elected.
Northern kikes didn't have much sway on Lincoln. Taxes on slaves is nothing compared to taxes on slave owners, which would have been more profitable

>>519557808
>Pike’s esotericism, coupled with his racial segregation approach, is in every respect consistent with the KKK’s line of thought. He is not mentioned in the Klan’s first book, dated to 1884 and written by one of its six historical founders, Captain John C. Lester (along with an acolyte named David L. Wilson). Pike appears only in historian Walter L.’s. Fleming preface for the 1905 edition:

>"General Albert Pike, who stood high in the Masonic order, was the chief judicial officer of the Klan."

>Therefore, beyond his ideological proximity to the KKK, Albert Pike had certain responsibilities in the Klan, despite neither being one of its founders nor even main leaders. By contrast, the first historic Chief of the Klan (the Grand Magician, Grand Wizard), General Nathan Bedford Forrest, had clearly some spent time in a lodge in Tennessee. The notion of “white supremacy” appears to have originated in a programmatic slogan he authored, which laid the foundations of the notion of “white supremacy” and went on to become the Klan’s credo: “Our main and fundamental objective is the maintenance of the supremacy of the white race in this Republic.” Only the first years of Forrest’s initiation into Freemasonry are documented, notably in a lodge newspaper called “Hiram’s Lighthouse”:

>"While there is no record of Nathan Bedford Forrest (1821-1877) progressing further than his Entered Apprentice Degree in Angorona Lodge No. 168 at Memphis, Tennessee, he did however go on to become a Lieutenant General and First Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan

>>519557865
Can you please stop posting Catholic church conspiracies about some nobody in the US to validate being a mulatto 5000 miles away

>>519557865
>Another authoritative study – this time conducted by a different Masonic lodge: the Grand Lodge of British Columbia and the Yukon – examines the relationship between Freemasonry and the KKK. Although it denies that Albert Pike created the Klan, it nevertheless recognizes at the outset that there were many Freemasons within the Klan, such as Major James R. Crowe, one of the Klan’s historical founders alongside John Lester, as well as General John C. Brown, the editor of the first Klan manifesto (“Prescript of the Order of the Ku-Klux Klan”), and Joseph Fussell, a Confederate Army colonel and Grand Master of a lodge in Tennessee. The study also mentions that the KKK’s recruiters, the Kleagles, were often Freemasons themselves who preferred searching for new members within Freemasonry:

>Kleagles also hung around other fraternal lodges and were especially successful at wooing the Masons. Many Kleagles were Masons themselves. (In fact, the King Kleagle of Wisconsin put an ad in the August 26, 1921, edition of the Madison State Journal, reading: “Wanted: Fraternal organizers, men of ability between the ages of 25 and 40. Must be 100% Americans. Mason preferred.”)

>>519557427
>The states rejected a national plan
Wrong already. The constitution was picked over the articles of confederation because of the need and desire for a national plan.

>>519557422
Where are you getting all these info?
What role did Brotherhood of the Union, Turner Society and Skulls & Bones play in the secession?

>>519557942
I'm not Abrahamic/Christian, you retard.

>>519557946
>Thus, back then, white supremacism and Freemasonry were clearly intertwined. Even so, Freemasons were well-represented both in pro-abolitionist Union forces and anti-abolitionist Confederate forces. In other words, American Freemasonry had already adopted the main form of the pliers. Yet, it remains to be seen whether one of the two jaws bit harder than the other. To find out, let us turn to the relationship between white supremacism and Jewish supremacism, especially during the period when the latter started to take on the characteristics of Jewish freemasonry (i.e., of the B’nai B’rith). One individual is at the crossroads of all these occult networks: Judah Philip Benjamin (1811-1884). This Jewish lawyer of British origin became American senator after his naturalization and was also number two within the Confederacy, behind Jefferson Davis, who, according to some, was his real boss, as he occupied several key positions, including Chief of Intelligence, which earned him the nickname “the brains of Confederacy”

>>519558025
>I'm not a retarded Catholic
>Is literally a Catholic rapebaby

>>519542072 (OP)
I am curious. What do you guys think the name of the discord the nazi memefag and brazilian spamfag are in together is?

>>519558025
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Scottish_Rite&oldid=1086596916#Legend_of_Jacobite_origins

>>519558025
>A specialist in modern Jewish history at the University of Cape Town in South Africa, Adam Mendelsohn, wrote the following in a New York University collective work on the Jews during the Civil War:

>The centenary of the Civil War coincided with a period when Jewish loyalties in the South were once more disputed. In Alabama, the State B’nai B’rith deployed Judah P. Benjamin – a Louisianan – to fight its cause. The organization devoted a session of its annual convention in 1962 to the “commemoration of the Jewish contribution to the War between the States.” The event featured Jefferson Davis biographic Hudson Strode speaking on “Jefferson Davis and His Jewish Confederates.” The Huntsville Times reported that the convention would “kick off with a Banquet and Dance Saturday night, with the theme ‘Judah P. Benjamin Nite.” J.s. Gallinger, the State B’nai B’rith president, entitled his annual report “The Convenant Confederacy Annual Convention.” More significant than the pageantry was the decision to sponsor the erection of a monument at the capital in Alabama in honor of the “merits of Judah P. Benjamin, as a son of the Jewish people.”

>>519542295
Seceeding is by defacto a declaration of war against the entity you are seperating from.

>>519558025
>Judah P Benjamin
The south was gone under Buchanan, the upper south only left because they demanded troops to fire on Americans and they refused. None of your retarded bullshit makes any sense because your timeline and order of events are completely wrong, and secession is very clearly not an act of war. This is a conflict between two slave holding republics that YOU started over rail, gold, and taxes. Even if any conspiracy about muh judah benjamin wanting a slave empire were true, it makes you look even more retarded for claiming the objective was to get rid of the slaves when they were already mostly out but you invaded any way, lied about your righteous cause and now we have niggers in our government and shitskins everywhere.

>>519558125
The Brazilian monkey is just one of those beaners that drank the masonic Koolaid to cope with Catholic society being a farce

>>519558169
>Mendelsohn cites B’nai B’rith archives preserved at the Jacob Rader Marcus Center of the American Jewish Archives in Cincinnati (Ohio). The B’nai B’rith also paid tribute to Judah Benjamin outside Alabama, in North Carolina, where a public research university happens to be in the business of documenting the commemorative monuments of the region’s historic figures:

>The Judah P. Benjamin memorial is a simple granite tablestone with a flat arch top standing about 3-feet tall. It is unadorned aside from the inscription. Although the inscription says the marker was erected by the J.E.B. Stuart Chapter of the United Daughters of the Confederacy (U.D.C.) it was actually paid for and presented to the U.D.C. by the Fayetteville B’nai B’rith Lodge

>Name of Monument: Judah P. Benjamin Marker, Fayetteville

>Sponsors: B’nai B’rith in honor of the J.E.B. Stuart Chapter United Daughters of the Confederacy

>>519558173
Union was voluntary until Lincoln decided it wasn't.

>>519558248
>During the USA’s nationwide campaign in 2017 for the removal of Confederate monuments and memorials, the Alt-Right, a meta-political movement supportive of Donald Trump, wondered why no one was suggesting that we take down the few monuments commemorative of Judah Benjamin. Altright.com published an article summing up the laudatory remarks of politicians and historians in homage to Judah Benjamin’s memory, and noted that the latter somehow manages to escape the PC police’s insults typically aimed at Confederates:

>Rather than the typical slurs such as “racist,” “bigot,” and “supremacist,” used to describe his Confederate counterparts, Benjamin is instead remembered as an extraordinary figure, brilliant, competent, remarkable, the only genius in Davis’ cabinet, and a man among men. Here we have a man with all the same qualifications anti-Whites use to condemn Whites Southerners, save for one apparently redeeming fact; he was Jewish

>>519557572
Would you want someone to own you, nigger?
>>519557637
We should've let you retards secede and realize you can't eat fucking textiles. You would be no better than all the other slave countries like hispaniola, bermuda, jamaica, the bahamas. Literally every fucking former slave colony. You ingrates should be thanking lincoln every day for saving you from that fate.

>>519558125
Chudunited
>>519557572
Lessens the quality of the national population. Pre industrialization there is an argument for a limited form of it, but in post industrialization all it does is undercut the native people.

>>519558331
>The fear of being labeled anti-semitic certainly explains why there is a double standard in the way Judah Benjamin is treated, who, after all, also owned black slaves and was no less racist and supremacist than his non-Jewish Confederate friends. This mincing of words whenever the topic of Jews arises became omnipresent after the Second World War. In 1947, the Supreme Lodge of the B’nai B’rith organized its 18th General Convention in the capital city of the U.S, and, for this occasion, invited several ‘goyim’ to express themselves. A non-Jewish Freemason, the Attorney-General of the United States, Thomas C. Clark, made a speech, for instance, in which he referred to Judah Benjamin and his co-religionists in obsequious terms:

>"In every period of our history, whether peace or war, prosperity or adversity, members of your faith have played a leading part. When our future as a united people hung by a thread in Civil War days, they served with distinction on both sides of the Mason-Dixon line. One of the greatest men on the side of the South was Judah P. Benjamin – United States Senator while on the North was Mayer Lehman. It was he who arranged for the shipment of food through the blockade of the South."

>>519542185
No one does that. It just doesnt matter which right they were fighting to maintain, principles matter. The president that was elected only got like a third of the votes, he also wasnt even on the ballot. Lack of representation was why we declared independence, and the thing we felt we were not represented in was equally dumb.

>>519558370
Right it's bad eugenically but not morally

>>519558406
>All this flowery language ultimately fails to conceal a far less noble reality, one which is rooted in some very real antagonisms on both sides of the Mason-Dixon line, or the dividing line between the North and South. The Confederate spirit is more than a simple patriotism with the potential to find common ground with the Unionist spirit: it was originally a Judeo-white form of supremacism concerned with rather trivial interests, or at least that was the spirit of its leadership (often different from that of the grass-roots activist)

>Aside from their respective Masonic lodges, Judah Benjamin and Albert Pike frequently saw two other esoteric organizations in their southern fiefdom: the Mistick Krewe of Comus, named after a Roman god of orgy close to Bacchus, whose only public activity was to show up with a tank at the carnival of New Orleans (Mardi Gras); and The Knights of Golden Circle, which nurtured projects that were incompatible with the Union

>Before being accused of ordering Abraham Lincoln’s assassination, these “Knights of the Golden Circle” aspired to set up an international slave trade in the form of a circle, the center of which would have been Cuba, and which would have included the Southern United States, the north coast of South America, and all islands and countries in between, such as Mexico

>>519558414
*also wasnt even on the ballot in some of the southern states.

>>519558454
>The Klan’s Peak: 1915-1944

>To further deepen our understanding of the true roots of American (and, by extension, Atlantic) occultism as manifested in Europe and in the rest of the world, let us now turn to another lesser-known figure: Abraham Frankland, a Kabbalist and a member of the B’nai B’rith, whose writings are preserved in the previously-mentioned Jacob Rader Marcus Center of the American Jewish Archives in Cincinnati. An American historian, Anton Chaitkin, consulted these rare documents, and, in 1993, reported on them for Executive Intelligence Review (edited by the Lyndon Larouche movement):

>Frankland’s 1870 Kabbalistic Researches (unpublished manuscript in the American Jewish Archives, Cincinnati) is a compendium of espionage cyphers, black magic symbols, masonic ritual, and pagan religion, In his preface, Frankland acknowledges two sources aiding him in his work: Origins of the Rites of Worship of the Hebrews by Albert Gallatin Mackey, grand secretary of the Scottish Rite, “and the Book Zohar on the Sephiroth, kindly loaned to me by Gen’l Albert Pike.” While Frankland compiled his Researches, KKK boss Pike was also in Memphis working on his satanic masterpiece Morals and Dogma, published in 1871

>On pages 38-39 of Kabbalistic Researches, Frankland lists assorted gods passed down by tradition from ancient times, including “Four of the thirteen great Gods of Assyria,” plus the god “Bel”, and, perhaps as an afterthought, “Ayel Shad-ai”, or the God Almighty of the Jews, Christians, and Muslims. Frankland’s god “Bel” is of intense interest to Masons. Scottish Rite Grand Secretary Albert Gallatin Mackey says in his 1874 Encyclopaedia of Freemasonry that “Bel is the contracted form of Baal, and was worshiped by the Babylonians as their chief deity.” Baal is also the false god which the Old Testament Jewish prophets warn the people against!

>>519557430
Indeed but how did he manage to court those industrialists? It's jewish bankers, they had the connections necessary because all those businesses had to keep their money somewhere. Lincoln's old Whig party was dying out and desperate for money, they rebranded as Republicans with the help of jewish connections pressing for investment into Lincoln's future federalist state, the promise was a return on their investment and boy did they get it 20-30 times over.

>>519557844
>would have just evolved into sweatshop labor
Until industrialism took over with machines but still any labor job back then was sweat shop tier.
>it should be illegal
That's fine, your view might be anti-republic but it's still your opinion.
>Northern kikes didn't have much sway on Lincoln
The Republican party exists because of jewish bankers, anon. Industrialists probably wouldn't have gone along with it if their bank accounts weren't lightly threatened, just like kikes do today. However there was also an opportunity for profit and new workers for their factories, so they invested in Lincoln.

>>519558497
>The Babylonian cult worship of Baal had several somewhat widespread characteristics in primitive societies, including human sacrifices and sexual orgies, which also forms the backdrop for the modern occultism that Judeo-white supremacism spearheaded during the 19th century. The original Judaism, to which the B’nai B’rith refers, was not strictly monotheistic; its followers also worshiped the goddess Astarte (Ishtar, Ashera), whose association with Baal and Yahweh earned her the nickname “God’s wife”, i.e., his feminine counterpart (paraedron)

>The B’nai B’rith was exposed to, and influenced by, this syncretic esotericism associating Kabbalah with Babylonian polytheism, to such an extent that it named its organization’s ranks by drawing from names of Mesopotamian nobility during Classical Antiquity. For example, Abraham Frankland was the Great Nasi of the B’nai B’rith. The title “Great Nasi”, sometimes spelled “nassi” or “nazi”, etymologically derives from the names of two Kassite sovereigns who reigned over Babylon between 1333 and 1282 BC: Nazi-Bugash and Nazi-Maruttash. In turn, the nominal root caught on in ancient Hebrew and is still used today

>>519558454
>The most American part of American identity is Jewish
You should get paid to demoralization post you dumb Catholic monkey

>>519557991
You seem scared that people still remember the true version of history. It didn't magically go away after Dylan Roof shot some nogs.

>>519558169
>Abraham Lincoln raised an army and declared war, congress declares war, he violated the constitution
Judah P Benjamin
>Abraham Lincoln told SC/CSA that he was withdrawing the Federal garrison at For Sumter while secretly reinforcing it
Judah P Benjamin
>Abraham Lincoln illegally shut down and confiscated the printing presses of dozens of newspapers that had spoken out against him.,
Judah P Benjamin
>Abraham Lincoln blockaded Southern ports without a declaration of war, as required by the Constitution
Judah P Benjamin
>Abraham Lincoln ordered Federal troops to interfere with Northern elections to assure his Parties victories.
Judah P Benjamin
>Chief Justice Roger B Taney ruled that Lincoln’s actions were illegal, criminal and unconstitutional.
Judah P Benjamin

>>519558414
You faggots were no different than all the niggers who say they'll move to canada if trump is elected. If a democrat was elected, you dipshits would've stayed and been obedient little cucks. Your guy lost so you wanted to take your ball and go home. Basically, you're a bunch of little bitches.

>>519558422
It is bad morally because it fucks over native workers and laborers if you have too much. If you encourage people to only be slave owners and no one to do actual work, then you end up with a society where people have less kids because you don't need extra heirs and normals can't afford it. Not to mention the fact that in encourages slaves to have uprisings if they outnumber other people to that degree. Even worse if slaves are foreign race.

>>519558528
Whigs fell out of favor when they bankrupted the entire north in the 1830's printing infinite money and embezzling it. Lincoln did fuck all from the 1830's when he was voted out to the Republican primaries, besides of course promising all the industrialists blank checks

>>519558001
>>519558169

>>519558079
>>519558232
I already said I'm not Abrahamic, you insolent retards. The Torah is based on the Exodus and that never happened.

The Torah scribes were so out of world who thought that Joseph (who would have lived between 1900-1800 BC according to Traditional Chronology) was the vizier of Ramses II (1200 BC) and that Abraham (2100-1900 BC) was a contemporary of the Chaldeans (626-556 BC).

>"Then Joseph settled his father and his brothers and gave them a possession in the land of Egypt, in the best of the land, in the land of Rameses, as Pharaoh had commanded." (Genesis 47:11)

The true historical basis for the story of Joseph ending up a slave in Egypt likely happened during the government of the successor of Ramses II, Merenptah, who conquested Canaan and boasted on his stele: "Israel is made waste, his seed/grain is none." The basis of the Joseph and Potiphar's wife story comes from the Egyptian story Tale of Two Brothers, which was penned during the reign of Amenmesses amid the tensions between this usurper king and his brother Seti II.

Joseph rising from prison and becoming Chancellor over Egypt under Pharaoh at a time of cultural tension and famine was based on the foreign man named Baya that Pharaoh Seti II placed into power as Chancellor during a time of unrest and famine. The rest of that Biblical character came from Imhotep among countless others from varying Egyptian periods. Israel and his family coming into the land, once again inspired by the events during the reign of Seti II.

Pharaoh Siptah killed Baya. A time of chaos fell over Egypt, with foreigners called Hyksos destroying Egypt's traditional religion and values, running the land into chaos. Skip forward to Setnakhte.

>>519558353
>We should have let you secede
Alas, Lincoln could not handle his tariff money not coming in.
>>519558370
Vanderbilt, Rockefeller, the list goes on.
They all came to wealth and power through the civil war and were directly involved in 'modernization' of the South during reconstruction
That was the true meaning of the civil war
The Industrial Tycoons had to have everyone part of the system
There could be no alternative systems or it wouldn't work
Slavery and abolitionism were just a cover for the true goal and to give the north a moral high ground in why it was conducting the war
Why do you think the Abolitionist movement had such an massive influence? It was built that way by the tycoons, they used propaganda to manipulate the northern states into war, but the end goal was for complete subversion by the Industrial Machine

>>519558173
3 states ratified constitution under the condition that they can leave anytime they want. Nobody other states at the time had a problem with this, so by default it's ok to leave

>>519558696
The original purpose of slavery was to not kill useful people needlessly

>>519558773
>Im not Catholic
>Catholic jizz was shot into a nigger to make you

>>519558773
He rounded these Asiatic people up, put some to work, banished the rest, restored the throne, until his son and successor Ramesses III purged the land amidst the collapse of the Bronze age - a time of plague, pestilence and darkness perhaps due to Hekla-3. THAT right there is the historical basis for the Exodus story.

The Merneptah Stele takes place post-Exodus, which would mean if the Torah was true then Moses already established Israel. There's no way around this. If you assume that it's talking about Hebrews, then it would mean that Moses was lying and the Torah is wrong- there was no ktisis style settlement of Israel. If you accept that the Torah was correct, then it could not possibly be talking about the nomads in the Merneptah stele were led by a guy named Israel.

Baya is the most likely candidate for the Shashu Overlord Irsu (which could be an Egyptian way of saying Isra as in Israel) and his followers. This is most likely the same story told by Manetho about Osarseph (with the Osar part being a variation of Isru) and the lepers. The details are also similar, they stole gold and valuables to hire Canaanite reinforcements and left them behind while fleeing Egypt. Manetho said Osarseph was Moses and others think it could also mean Joseph. The reinforcements they meant to hire are the former Hyksos in Canaan in the Manetho version.

Twere still a mysterious people listed as Apiru still in the land of Egypt, including today's Deir El-Medinia, holding worker's strikes until eventually the other Ramesside kings either kicked the Apiru out, or let them go. Either way, at some point the Apiru, the Shasu and the Asiatics Setnakhte and Ramesses III expelled were driven into Cana'an by an impatient Egyptian army, as Egypt was dying a slow death.

>>519558884
When they gathered in Canaan, these people got together, shared stories and memories, including the descendants of the Hyksos who had come out of Egypt in a grand Exodus five centuries beforehand. They all got together and formed the People of Israel, spinning their mish-mash of stories and faded memories into the narrative we have today.

In other words, from the get go Israel has been a corporate fiction. They were never the people they claim to have been.

>Israel Knohl recently proposed to identify Osarseph with Irsu, a Shasu who, according to Papyrus Harris I and the Elephantine Stele, took power in Egypt with the support of "Asiatics" (people from the Levant) after the death of Queen Twosret; after coming to power, Irsu and his supporters disrupted Egyptian rituals, "treating the gods like the people" and halting offerings to the Egyptian deities. They were eventually defeated and expelled by the new Pharaoh Setnakhte and, while fleeing, they abandoned large quantities of gold and silver they had stolen from the temples

>Baya, also called Ramesse Khamenteru (died 1192 BC), was an important Asiatic official in ancient Egypt, who rose to prominence and high office under Seti II Userkheperure Setepenre and later became an influential powerbroker in the closing stages of the 19th Dynasty. He used to be possibly identified with Irsu (alt. Arsu, Iarsu, Yarsu) mentioned in the Great Harris Papyrus, although no contemporary source connects Baya with Irsu and the connection has since been disproven due to the differences in the years that they died

>This name attributed to Moses, Osarseph, appears only in Manetho, and only in this text, in all ancient literature. Perhaps Osarseph is an Egyptian form of Joseph, in Hebrew Yosef, in which the letters Jo (of Jahweh) are substituted for Osar (Osiris/On), syncretized with Dionysus/Bacchus that the Greek-Romans called Yahweh

>>519558773
I didn't say you are, I just asked where did you get all of these info, and what was the role of Skull and Bones

>>519558793
The south is much more reliant on the north than the other way around. You gonna just ignore the fact that literally every other slave colony is now an abject shithole? You think you could've done better? Bahamas is rightful white man clay but look at it now. That would be you if not for lincoln.

Clean it up.

>>519545037
Yeah, you'd have to be sociopathic drunk to think the way you do.

>>519558985
Yeah the farmers were reliant on the useless eater illegal immigrants

>>519558528
>Until industrialism took over with machines but still any labor job back then was sweat shop tier.
China has machines and still has sweatshop labor. The south would have resembled that mixed with the most Jewish New York speculation. Assuming a slave uprising didn't happen and kill all whites like in Liberia. All that mattered to that class of people were money, unsurprising with how Jewish it was.
>That's fine, your view might be anti-republic but it's still your opinion.
It's not anti republic as a view. I do hold actual anti republic views, but that is just a fact that it is a public nuisance. That's like saying banning public indecency is anti republic.
>The Republican party exists because of jewish bankers, anon
Kike bankers in the US didn't have nearly the power you claim until much later. They still had some, but they weren't all powerful and all pervasive like they are now. It was also a time when non Jews were often bankers and industrialists instead of the kosher fest that the 20th century turned into.

>>519558985
>The south is much more reliant on the north than the other way around
Lol.
North relied so heavily on southern cotton its not even funny. Cotton let the North industrialize.

>>519558801
Half and half. It was a half a punishment for siding with the losing side. Collaborators or those who joined willingly were just made fellow citizens in Rome rather than slaves a lot of the time

>>519559099
Yeah, so useless you shipped in millions of them. Retard alert.
>>519559155
>Cotton
Kek that's literally all you've got. I guess when all you've got is a hammer then everything looks like a nail. But no, we in fact did not build our country out of cotton.

>>519559272
So the north has a history of enabling illegal immigrants like Irish Jews and Italians and treated them like niggers?

>>519559272
>all you got
4th largest economy in the world because of it. Not bad I'd say. Maybe the South would've been able to industrialize and shit on its own if it didn't need to keep uplifting the North via tax rev.

>>519558793
>They all came to wealth and power through the civil war and were directly involved in 'modernization' of the South during reconstruction
I agree some oppurtunists took advantage of it
>That was the true meaning of the civil war
No, it was definitely Southerners fighting for kikes and their noble class who hated them to keep slaves. Otherwise the caning of Charles Sumner and Bloody Kansas would not have been the major events they were. Southerners believed the lie, and some like you still believe it, that slavery was necessary and benefited them and the alternative was anitwhite tyranny. There was middle ground but you refused to see it.
>Slavery and abolitionism were just a cover for the true goal and to give the north a moral high ground in why it was conducting the war
No, that was the result of opportunists after.
>Why do you think the Abolitionist movement had such an massive influence
The South arrogantly pissed off the North and flagrantly showed them massive disrespect

>>519559380
I have no idea what point you're even trying to make here. You shipped millions of niggers in to our beautiful country and we're still paying for that hundreds of years later. Everyone should hate your fucking guts for bringing in the nigger menace.

>>519559272
>we in fact did not build our country out of cotton
They didn't even build up infrastructure with it, which is why their rail lines were shit at the time. The South used their wealth like how megacorps use it now. Not for bettering society, but importing even more niggers to get even more money and to brag and show their wealth to other elites.

>>519559540
You are completely mindbroken by a plant. Everything you have revolves around cotton. You're giving it much more importance than it deserves. Like I said, it's literally all you've got so you're forced to hammer the point home because literally everything else you did was nigger tier.

>>519559577
Niggers were already in the US before the US became a country. It's one of the reasons for the revolution. Not the institution of slavery but putting niggers in our country

>>519559799
The blacks are native Americans. They’ve been here for thousands of years

>>519559673
They truly were the jewish side of that war. The civil war put a stay on jewish control for an extra 50 years until the federal reserve was founded. Lincoln tried to save them but was killed for his effort. Such a sad story. Lincoln deserved better.

>>519559380
Literally another case of arguing
>Sure we imported by the millions a bunch of bipedal bioweapons with ghost hominid DNA and a predisposition to violence to undercut local labour.. But you put le Italians Polish and Irish in sweatshops so its just as bad!

>>519559946
Okay so if it's that simple why did the north want to release the bioweapon into the US?

>>519559799
And? What does that have to do with anything? Did the people all switch places when the new country was founded? It's the same fucking people.

>>519560038
We didn't but you kikes killed lincoln before he could ship them back.

>>519560051
You might want to go look up who made slavery mandatory in places like Virginia

>>519559931
Lincoln was in such a shit position.
>retarded secessionists that wanted to keep niggers on the left
>retarded abolitionists that wanted to keep niggers on the right
>immediately had to deal with a war that came from secessionists being unreasonable because they are greedy
>had to placate abolitionists to keep war support and to ensure there wasn't a chimp out from them either
>died before he could deport blacks
He did what he could and set a solid foundation for the future but future presidents failed so hard after him to deport blacks and to reassert that the nation is by and for whites, and then kikes just started creeping into the highest parts of society as they started coming en masse from Europe.

>>519558747
>printing infinite money and embezzling it
Jews did that as unilateral controllers of the banks that were attempting to centralize, the wealthier jews supported the Whig party because they knew the Democratic-Republicans of the time were beginning to lean towards socialism before any money was made to support such a thing. It's in the jew's nature to play both sides in some Esau Gambit anyway, with the hope of guaranteed success for judaism overall.

>>519559153
>Assuming a slave uprising didn't happen
Wasn't enough slaves here to have one anyway.
>It's not anti republic as a view
It is if you can't respect a minor individual freedom like smoking, that said they should only do it at home and that can be legislated.
>Kike bankers in the US didn't have nearly the power you claim until much later
They owned all the major banks and they were still doing their religious insider lending even back then, they had more wealth than anyone and the whole reason they backed Lincoln was to get him to establish the precursor of the IRS before creating a central bank that federalists also wanted. They had power but at that point they were still in the process of gaining full-control.

>>519544043
Would just like to point out that neither the nazi memefag or brazilian spammer can dispute that Abraham Lincoln was a tyrannical piece of shit who wiped his ass with the constitution and pissed all over the country our founders built.
>>519559546
>It was definitely the southerners fighting for the kikes
Yeah I knew you were this guy --> >>519552268
>>519552306
>>519552352
You must have a bot that notifies you when someone dares tell the truth and not your fanfiction.
The Southern man fought because the Northern man was coming down to rape and pillage his home.

>>519542072 (OP)

Separate "we the people"

Individual rights, government should be gone it was all more and more hypocritical after 1776

Separate Straight White Non Jewish territories need to happen Anons

>>519560152
I literally don't care. You were still shipping them in afterwards so clearly you didn't learn any kind of lesson. You're a fucking menace that unleashed the worst fucking people on planet earth into our great nation.

>>519560209
All the advocates and power players in the northern financial scheme that sold out the US were whites

>>519560124
you do know the Fugitive Slave Acts were about making sure slaves that fled North were sent back to the South, yes?

>>519558965
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Scottish_Rite&oldid=1086596916#Legend_of_Jacobite_origins

https://www.transnotitia.com/freemasonry-and-the-confederacy/

>Skull and Bones
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/search/text/EIC%20cromwell/country/GB/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Huntington_Russell

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_%26_Company

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skull_and_Bones#Russell_Trust_Association

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_Delano_Jr.

Robbins, Alexandra. Secrets of the Tomb: Skull and Bones, the Ivy League, and the Hidden Paths of Power. Back Bay Books, 2003.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4769590/amp/Secret-scandals-elite-prep-schools-college-clubs.html

https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/354240062/

>>519558532
>In 2012, the B’nai B’rith of France published on its website a speech by the president of the Sigmund Freud Lodge, Max Kohn, tracing his Masonic order’s origins back to 19th century German Jewish emigration to New York:

>"One great Lodge in New York, for instance, had formulated some titles in Hebrew that were of interest to administrators. Such lodges, at first, used only German, as English had not yet been introduced. The President of the lodge, we should note, was called the Grand Nasi Abh; the Vice-President, “Grand Aleph”; the Secretary, “Grand Sopher”; the Treasurer, “Grand Baal Ha Ginzach”; the Master-at-Arms, “Grand Shomer”; the Archivist, “Grand Maskir”; the Levy, “Grand Levy”; and the High Priest, “Grand Cohen” : a kind of toned-down version of a Jewish society. The names are in Hebrew, but German is spoken: it is a whole mise en scène of how these German Jews’s relation to German society was transposed into the United States’s relation to the Jewish tradition."

>>519542072 (OP)
True story, the southern drawl accent comes from them being infected with ring worm rotting their brains. This is why they had to import as many niggers as possible to do the work, as their bodies were completely infected and useless.

>>519560320
>True story
>reads the rest
So that was a lie

>>519560038
The North was happy to let slavery be comtained in the South; the South literally chimped out because the union didnt want to expand slavery.

>>519543119
no, it was the other way around
(((judah benjamin))) literally stole the confederate treasury after the war and brought it to london lol
>>519542295
secede over what?
what was the key issue?
confederates demanded their niggers
nobody who defends the confederacy is pro White

>>519560305
>A history professor at the American University in Washington, D.C., Alan M. Kraut, wrote an article for the Journal of the American Jewish Archives in Cincinnati, in which he recalls Grand Nasi Frankland’s reflections on the Yellow Fever Epidemic that struck his city of Memphis in 1873. We should note in passing that the article mentions some Masonic principles: namely, the idea that there is a sort of “social physics” that hinges on the way in which human organizations connect order and chaos. In hindsight, during the 20th century, this social physics gave rise to management sciences and the idea of driving change through group dynamics, which is the founding intuition of social engineering:

>"On top of being Secretary of the Citizens Executive Committee and President of the HHRA, he was on the executive committee of the Howard Association and was Grand Nassi AB. [District President] of Grand District Lodge No. 7 of the International Order of B’nai B’rith. […] The autumn frost brought an end to the 1873 Yellow Fever Epidemic. Frankland bitterly wrote that those who had fled home returned “to get back to business.” Because of the human loss, “every association had to re-organize” and bring “order out of chaos.” Official reports indicate that over 5,000 individuals were afflicted with Yellow Fever; more than 2,000 died within two months."

>>519560124
>>519544358
I am so sick and tired of this goddamn fucking lie.

>>519555231
You forgot the part where the south threw the first punch by attacking Fort Sumter. And that owning slaves was completely unnecessary in the face of automation, not to mention morally indefensible.
>but it was about the right to secede
The south never had that right. That was never a right. The whiskey rebellion proved that, and George Washington was even the one to put a stop to it. Are you really going to argue against George Washington?

>>519560206
The fact he garners so much hate even today is a travesty. Lincoln didn't even like niggers. He felt the same about them as everyone else at the time, that they were animals. What lincoln hated was forced labor because his youth where he was exploited hard by his father. Lincoln didn't love niggers, he just hated slavery.

>>519560408
Paul-Éric Blanrue wrote a thorough article on how Masonic circles officially relaunched the KKK on Thanksgiving Day – a holiday of pagan origin – using D. W. Griffith’s popular film, The Birth of a Nation, which staged the civil war with a bias for the Confederacy and with characters belonging to the Klan:

>For one spectator, William J. Simmons, it is a revelation. Simmons was a native of Alabama, a veteran of the war against Spain, a Methodist preacher dismissed for instability, a traveler, and a member of various Masonic societies. He looked to revive the KKK by using the film’s success and all the popular discontent surrounding immigration policies of late. On Thanksgiving Day in 1915, the self-proclaimed “colonel” gathered a few faithful at the top of Stone Mountain, east of Alabama, and set a huge pine cross on fire before exclaiming: “Here is the Invisible Empire being woken from its half-century sleep.” (…) However, the KKK did not really develop until 1920, when Simmons’ two new partners, the former journalist Edward Clarke and the rich widow Elizabeth Tyler, entered the stage. (…) It is estimated that the number of Klan members will soon reach five million! Like a holding company, the Klan takes advantage of popular support to diversify its activities: publishing periodicals and brochures, purchasing buildings, taking control of Lanier University… An alcoholic, Simmons was deposed and replaced by a 32nd-degree Freemason and dentist, Hiram W. Evans of Dallas, who became Imperial Sorcerer and would also go on to fire Clarke and Tyler

>>519560398
No, it's very clear the North wanted to make blacks citizens, with their reaction to the Dred Scott decision and how they rejected the Fugitive Slave Act.

>>519560398
>The south chimped out so the north released a bioweapon to kill the entire US
Makes no sense

>>519560209
>Wasn't enough slaves here to have one anyway.
It would be inevitable given time. Blacks reproduce regardless of resources, whites keep in mind resources vs. population.
>It is if you can't respect a minor individual freedom like smoking, that said they should only do it at home and that can be legislated.
Smoking and leaving a stench everywhere in public is different than smoking it alone on your 5 acres like in the past where it was a niche thing for only the rich really.
>They owned all the major banks
Yeah they owned most major banks, but there were a lot of smaller ones, and even some major ones, back then that weren't kike controlled too, and there was no federal reserve. They had considerably less power. The rest of this is conjecture based on a false premise in my view.

>>519560456
>The Ku Klux Klan’s third Great Imperial Wizard from 1922 to 1939, Hiram W. Evans, wrote an open letter to Dr. Adolphe Kraus in 1923, who, at the time, was Great Nasi of the B’nai B’rith. The letter famously reflects the evolution of the relationship between the Klan and the B’nai B’rith, i.e., the relationship between white supremacism and Jewish supremacism. In fact, during the inter-war years, the Klan, despite its Judeo-Masonic origins, was imbued with virulent and uninhibited anti-Judaism, which led to rising tensions with the B’nai B’rith. After viewing each other as equals and as brothers in arms during the Civil War and the ensuing years of Reconstruction, white supremacism and Jewish supremacism were now entering a permanent balance of power. They were now engaged in a game of tug-of-war, as part of a transitional phase in the lead up to a hierarchical re-organization of the relationship between white and Jewish supremacism. Although the seeds of these new power relations had probably been developing ever since the relationship’s beginnings in the Southern Confederacy, they nevertheless became apparent once Jewish supremacism began to dominate white supremacism

>>519560304
What does that have to do with repatriating niggers after the civil war?

>>519560398
Already been debunked in this thread. Nice try though. >>519556041

>>519542185
The right to not have the federal government seize their property, obviously.

It's quite a jewish trick. They're right in the sense that less big government is good, and the government shouldn't be able to decide something like guns are illegal then seize your private property, but wrong in the sense that they were being mislead by jews and Lincoln was correct to want to deport all the slaves.

The Civil War wasn't actually about ending slavery, it was about Lincoln wanting to get rid of all the blacks and jews saying he couldn't because they owned the blacks and he wasn't allowed to see their property. By ending slavery, he had them declared not property and was moving forward in deporting them all back to Africa, which is why the jew John Wilkes Booth shot him and forced through the 14th Amendment in 1868 under the traitor Andrew Johnson in order to overturn Dred Scott v. Sandford which had previously ruled that blacks could not be citizens of the United States of America. The entire thing has always been jews doing everything and anything they could to prevent a pure White Ethno-state because they know once we form a nation that purposely excludes them it's over for them.

>>519560496
>Victor J. Cohen, a writer at Hamenora, the monthly publication of the B’nai B’rith’s District D’Orient, commented on the exchange of views between the Klan’s representative and B’nai B’rith’s representative:

>So, Dr. Adolphe Kraus, president of The Independent Order of the Bene-Berith, attempted a very timely move. Dr. Kraus had the idea of speaking directly to the “Imperial Sorcerer”, Dr. H. W. Evans, and asking him whether his organization was waging war on the Jews. From the admission of certain Aryans of Great Race [!] the answer published in the “New Orleans Item” was rather equivocal. A turf war broke out in the KKK headquarters because of this debate, which caused some vacillation. But we who know how to read between the lines, we who know what element of force the Jews represent in the United States, we can affirm without fear of being denied: the KKK is retreating, the KKK dares not say that it’s warring with us, the KKK, despite its power, is afraid! Need proof? Listen to what the Imperial Sorcerer says: “Any man – whether American by birth or by naturalization, Christian or Jew by faith, white or black by race – any man who contracts a duty of loyalty to this country, without reserve and without ulterior motives, who devotes himself entirely to his flag, is not the enemy, but the friend of the Knights of the KKK. These are patriots of the kind who make up the phalanges of the Knights of the KKK, who have reserved for the Jew in America, a hospitality which has not been granted to him in any place on the surface of the Earth. He should consider the freedom and protection that have been guaranteed to his race, by the Gentiles, white and Christian, who founded this Republic and forged its framework in the equality of human rights”. (…)

1/2

>>519560297
Wrong, behind them with their hand up their asses were jews, egging it on hoping for a central bank that would give them a crucial permanent role in government. The shit was intended to root judaism in the USA forever.

>>519560461
Reminder. black men were able to vote in the US before White women.

>>519544299
>"We just love niggers so much we will kill 600,000 americans to have them here picking cotton"
I hate you people.

>>519560534
If it were permitted to apply to the Jew one of the qualifying titles of the Knights of the Ku-Klux-Klan, one could say that he himself is “Klansman” and that it was he who maintained and showed the practical “Klanism”. “And Victor J. Cohen concludes: “the Ku-Klux-Klan can become an instrument of progress and beneficence, useful to both the country and its citizens, if it begins by eliminating from its midst the few thousand fanatics who make it pour into intolerance, cowardice and crime. The Ku-Klux-Klan will have to deal with it, or the indignant disapproval of a majority of “square americans” will destroy this association of ghosts and throw it back into the Gehenna of which it evokes the memory

2/2

>>519560206
Dixie was happy to involve European powers, courting the fucking British of all people- imagine being in favor of Lobsters on US soil not 200 years after throwing off the yoke of the Monarchy. Clown shit

>>519560504
no one was going to repatriate blacks before, during or after the Civil War. You're grasping for something that never was going to happen as though it was somehow imminent.

>>519560415
Almost as sick as we are about hearing that cotton was basically gold and niggers are valuable to society.

>>519560232
>Yeah I knew you were this guy
I'm not but okay, whatever makes you feel better.
>You must have a bot that notifies you when someone dares tell the truth and not your fanfiction.
Couldn't possibly be that more than one person actually knows history instead of your southern fanfic of the chivalrous knights fighting the evil north.
I know the north was flawed too, but those flaws couldn't be addressed because of the south making troube constantly and bogging down discourse with their nigger loving, meanwhile the south's flaws and jewishi leanings were not the fault of the north.

>>519560583
>In his incontrovertible work on the B’nai B’rith, Emmanuel Ratier cites Kraus and Evans’ dialogue to make the following observations on the Jewish organization’s relations with the Klan, which were friendly at first, but became more complex as time went on:

>Perhaps this explains why the B’nai Brith spared the Ku Klux Klan for a long time. By the twenties, the KKK, founded by the Confederate general Albert Pike and high-ranking Masons of the South, had between three and five million members, and was not subject to virulent criticism from the ADL and the B’naï B’rith. As part of a wider dialogue between B’naï B’rith president Adolf Kraus and Imperial Sorcerer H. W. Evans, the latter wrote in a rather astonishing open letter: “every man – whether American by birth or naturalization, Christian or Jewish by confession, black or white by race – every man who contracts a duty of loyalty to this country, without reserve and without ulterior motives, who devotes himself entirely to his flag, is not an enemy, but a friend of the Knights of Ku Klux Klan.”

>>519560682
>The Klan after Nazism: from 1945 to the present day

>Ethnic nationalism in general, and white nationalism in particular, received a lot of bad press after the Third Reich collapsed in 1945. Racial and racialist policies were increasingly unpopular in public opinion, aside from their variant form in Judeo-Zionist supremacism, which had emerged victorious after World War II, and, in 1948, had even managed to secure the state of Israel’s creation, based on the idea that Jews should receive reparations for what they endured during World War II. This double standard granting Jews a communitarianism forbidden to whites became a source of contention between Zionists and white nationalists. David Duke best embodies this growing conflict between the Ku Klux Klan and Jewish supremacism over the course of the 20th century. David Duke was born in 1950 and entered the Klan in 1967, where he became Grand Sorcerer, or national leader, in 1974, before opting out of the Klan and campaigning in less radical structures starting in 1980

>>519560571
>We just love niggers so much we will kill 600k Whites to have them free and equal to us

>>519542072 (OP)
My favorite president. We need more people like him.

>>519560601
Then why does liberia exist, you absolute dumbfuck?

>>519557519
>muhfuggin slavery!
nobody cares you fake moral-posturing faggot. The North didn't even fucking care about niggers any more than the South--it was always about economics and money. Only a modern liberal is fucking stupid enough to grandstand on that puerile moral idiocy like it had any real meaning when it came to white men going to war against their brothers for the future of their own nation. Not a single one of those white soldiers slaughtered each other over niggers.

>>519560730
>In 2002, he published Jewish Supremacism: My Awakening on the Jewish Question, in which he draws from biblical texts – Deuteronomy in particular – to break down the definition of Jewish supremacism into several points:

>• Israelites are a “chosen people,” chosen by God above all the other peoples of the world. • Israelites have a right to rule over all other people and are promised that they will someday own and rule over the whole world. • Israelites boast of genocide against whole peoples and kingdoms. • Israelites are commanded to murder all the people of the lands where they intend to live and to kill all the people of foreign nations that do not submit themselves in slavery. • Israelites are forbidden to make slaves of their own people, but are encouraged to enslave non-Israelites whom they may pass down as slaves to their descendants forever. • Israelites are forbidden to intermarry or “mix their seed” with other peoples

>>519560521
>The Civil War wasn't actually about ending slavery, it was about Lincoln wanting to get rid of all the blacks and jews saying he couldn't because they owned the blacks and he wasn't allowed to see their property. By ending slavery, he had them declared not property and was moving forward in deporting them all back to Africa, which is why the jew John Wilkes Booth shot him and forced through the 14th Amendment in 1868 under the traitor Andrew Johnson in order to overturn Dred Scott v. Sandford which had previously ruled that blacks could not be citizens of the United States of America. The entire thing has always been jews doing everything and anything they could to prevent a pure White Ethno-state because they know once we form a nation that purposely excludes them it's over for them.
Find me one official document, policy paper or order, signed by Lincoln as the sitting president of the US that supports this action. You can’t, because it doesn’t exist. Lincoln abandoned repatriation efforts after his meeting with black leaders in 1862. Why? He needed the bodies for the war and wouldn’t get them to fight if they were just going to be shipped out after.

>>519560445
He didn't even hate slavery, he just wanted to keep the nation together. He wasn't a huge fan of it, he was just lukewarm on it. He only ended up settling on antislavery because he could see where the wind was blowing and that it would be bad for the future.

>>519560779
>Since the Klan’s inception, there has been a growing, incubating conflict between two forms of supremacism – Jewish and White supremacism – based on a relationship between both that, as we will see, has been hierarchical almost from the outset. A world-renowned pianist and former Freemason, Stéphane Blet, wrote a book in which he analyzes the deeper underlying structure of the relationship between Jewish supremacism (often confused with the B’nai B’rith) and white supremacism (often confused with the goyish Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry):

>The B’nai B’rith denies it, but it forms a superior Masonic structure in which only supposedly ‘pure’ Jews can take part (Jews of ‘pure’ Jewish blood, that is, born to a Jewish mother). But that’s not all: until 1868, the Grand President of the B’nai B’rith officially bore the title of “Grand Nazi, Prince of the Babylonian exile”! Some readers will wonder how one could have possibly defined “Grand Nazi” in 1868… These titles were attributed in the days of Babylon to initiated Jews who defined themselves as “Princes Of The Exile” (sic). ( … ) Most disconcerting is the fact that this racialist sect controls the entire Masonic apparatus of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite, without the vast majority of the brothers and sisters of the “inferior” faiths (those who serve as shop windows and where Jewish supremacism is partially hidden or rather less provocative) even suspecting it, as most of them have never even heard of it. ( … )

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>>519560813
>Yes, the B’naï B’rith is in fact the general confederation of secret Jewish lodges ruling the REAA Freemasonry, and they brazenly lie to us in their attempts to make us believe the opposite, since an agreement of mutual recognition was signed on September 12, 1874 in Charleston between Albert Pike, representing the Universal Freemasonry as Supreme Head of the dogmatic directory of the ancient and accepted Scottish Rite, and Armand Levy representing the B’naï B’rith!

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>>519560668
>its more than one person
>same memefag
>same rhetoric
yeah bro.

>>519560585
Yeah, any memes the South were trumpeting about how the North was illegitimate and how it was about states rights died when they started demanding the British intervene in American politics

>>519560857
>This 1874 charter sets the groundwork for the relationship between the B’naï B’rith and the REAA – and thus between Jewish supremacism and white supremacism. It is not just a simple mutual recognition agreement: it is in fact an act of allegiance made by white supremacism, which, in the charter, agrees to entering a relationship of unilateral subordination to Jewish supremacism. The details of Albert Pike and Armand Lévy’s agreement were disclosed by Domenico Margiotta, a repented 33rd degree Freemason, who, in a book, exposed his struggle against Adriano Lemmi, a high ranking official close to Pike and Guiseppe Mazzini, whom he accused of Satanism

>>519560761
>Economics and money
Oh, you mean the fact slaves drove down wages for actual americans and left most southerners poor share croppers barely scraping by while the elite minority had more money than god? Yeah, fuck lincoln for that. We demand our labor value to crater!

>>519560890
>Margiotta summarizes the spirit of Pike and Levy’s agreement, and then reproduces it in full:

>"Lemmi was not forced to rely solely upon special agents, for he also had the unanimous support of the power secret Jewish lodges. By the decree of Sept. 12, 1874, which confirmed a treaty signed by Armand Levi for the Jewish B’nai B’rith (brothers of the Alliance) of America, Germany and England and the supreme authority of Charleston, Albert Pike authorized the Jewish Freemasons to form a secret federation functioning side by side with the ordinary lodges. This secret society was to bear the title of Sovereign Patriarchal Council and its Universal centre was to be at Hamburg, Valentinskamp Strasse. The document was written in two languages, in English and in French; and here is the French part: (…) the Supreme Dogmatic Directory of Universal Freemasonry will recognize the Israelite Lodges as they currently exist in the main countries. A General Confederation will be established, in which the American, English and German workshops of the Bnaai-Berith regime will merge. The confederation’s headquarters would be in Hamburg, and the sovereign body would take the title of Sovereign Patriarchal Council. The Israelite lodges will retain their autonomy and will be under the sole authority of the Sovereign Patriarchal Council of Hamburg. To be part of it, it will not be necessary to belong to one of the official Masonic rites. The secret behind the existence of the Confederation will have to be rigorously guarded by members of High Masonry to whom the Supreme dogmatic Directory will judge it useful to make known."

>>519560924
>This 1874 treaty established a hierarchy between Israelite and non-Israelite lodges based on unequal, asymmetrical access to information. We can say that Albert Pike signed off white supremacism’s capitulation to Jewish supremacism by formalizing the absence of reciprocity between both forms of supremacism, at least with regards to the right of control over the activities of one another. Indeed, if Israelite lodges can secretly co-exist alongside non-Israelite lodges – i.e., if the former can hide in plain sight whereas the latter cannot hide at all – then Israelite lodges have more power than non-Israelite lodges. The power to influence in general, and Masonic power in particular, is constituted according to a vertical, panoptic asymmetry between “seeing” and “being seen”: the higher up one is in the hierarchy, the more one sees and the less one is seen

>>519560760
Dude, they tried, they sent like 15,000-20,000 to Liberia and so many died they stopped trying. Wow, we're totally going to repatriate millions and watch them all die haha

>>519560980
>The superior is unknown. In a letter dated January 22, 1870, Giuseppe Mazzini explained to Albert Pike that things would play out as a sort of a circle of power, one which invisibly links everybody without them noticing it, and without them ever being able to grasp the real nature of the situation:

>"We must allow all the federations to continue just as they are, with their systems, their central authorities and their diverse modes of correspondence between high grades of the same rite, organized as they are at present, but we must create a supreme rite, which will remain unknown, to which we will call those Masons of high degree whom we shall select. With regard to their brothers in masonry, these men must be pledged to the strictest secrecy. Through this supreme rite, we will govern all Freemasonry which will become the one international centre, the more powerful because its direction will be unknown."

>>519560866
That guy from the screenshots you posted seems to think that all southern culture is Jewish, I only consider the leadership of the time to be so and that the people like you are just victims of propaganda from that time, kind of like how boomers fall for the holohoax hitler bad narrative. Think what you want but I'm not him. I never take off my memeflag because I'm ashamed at the US being the kike capital of the world.

>>519560874
Did Abraham Lincoln violate the Constitution yes or no?

>>519545950
>We have the right to import infinite niggers and keep them in chattel slavery
>NOOOOOO STOPPING US FROM LEAVING IS SLAVERY!!!!!!
So glad the Irish came to kill you people.

>>519561021
>Are we dealing here with brothers or fake brothers? As we have seen, mystery cults – also called initiatory or hermetic cults – are structured in such a way as to become schools of power which maintain a consubstantial relationship with intelligence and spying, and, by extension, a culture of invisibility, identity usurpation, and abuse of trust. Yet, to ward off any suspicions, sometimes they render things visible, going as far as trivializing a thing’s appearance and “hiding it in plain light”. If we don’t get found out, we don’t get caught. Such is the motto of the social engineer’s ancestor, the occultist, who discreetly takes control of the beam of attention to orient social perceptions, shape both the collective intelligence and the public opinion without being seen, and finally, rebuild society and the psyche according to a new plan. Masonic power thus rests on two points: 1) individual sovereignty, or self-awareness, that is, autonomy, or the ability to write rules for oneself, and 2) stealthily enslaving others by imposing on them, without them even knowing it, laws that are foreign to them, and, if possible, by making them believe that it is their own law, that it comes from them and that they are perfectly free. In other words, Masonic power rests on offering the lower levels a simulacrum of autonomy, an unconscious heteronomy. Baudelaire once wrote that the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was to convince the world he didn’t exist. According to several Masonic sources, Freemasonry’s invisible apex hides in a secret Luciferian lodge, the Palladian Rite (Palladism), which at times can be confused with the B’nai B’rith. Some of its most active participants include Albert Pike and Giuseppe Mazzini

>>519561035
>Gets exposed again
>softens anti Southern rhetoric just a tad for the next time you have to pop up to shit up a thread
Sure bro.

>>519561074
>We can conclude the following: the relationship between the Jewish supremacism of the B’nai Brith and the white supremacism of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite evolved over time. In the decade from 1861 to 1871, during the American Civil War and the birth of the KKK, the relationship was built on egalitarian grounds, driven by Judah Benjamin and Albert Pike’s efforts to fuse Kabbalah and Paganism. Then, the relationship took a hierarchical turn under Albert Pike and Armand Lévy’s 1874 pact, which marked Jewish supremacism’s power over white supremacism. After that, a very ambivalent relationship emerged: white supremacists respected their Jewish masters, but were also secretly jealous of their communal privileges, contesting them with increasing vehemence over the course of the 20th century. The main roots of the modern West must be understood in the context of this common, occult crucible which later evolved into a dominant/submissive relationship. We shall examine in the following sections how this esoteric hierarchy has been transposed and deployed historically, from South Africa to contemporary Ukraine, via Pan-Germanism

>>519560809
No, he hated forced unpaid labor because of his time being exploited in that way as a youth. He talks about it over and over that he's against it.

>>519542072 (OP)
What a shitty meme my God

>>519561069
>>We have the right to import infinite niggers and keep them in chattel slavery
No slaves had been imported since 1808. Suck a cock, bet you're a fucking post 1920s American.

>>519561020
>they sent like 15,000-20,000 to Liberia
>>519560601
>no one was going to repatriate blacks before, during or after the Civil War
Sounds like you're a moron to me.

>>519560232
Kys, Dixoid.

The Southern planter aristocracy was the primary driver in the political crisis. Calhoun and the South Carolina planters tried to convince other states to secede whenever a crisis sprung up, since they needed a place to dump their excess slave population, and the ban on the international slave trade would make that impossible if SC was alone. What made John Brown a southern bogeyman was that he embodied the southern nightmare scenario: a Haiti-style slave revolt/race war. Just as SC needed other states to offload their excess slaves, the South as a whole needed new land to spread their growing slave population, especially as the soil back east was being depleted by King Cotton. Slavery, cotton, and territorial expansion were the three pillars of the southern economy. The other driving force behind the proslavery movement was the assumption that free states would always vote against the interests of slave states.

The Knights of the Golden Circle was a southern group advocating the annexation of former Spanish colonies (Cuba, Central America) to create more slave states and more plantations. Setting them aside, the Federal government had to dissuade southerners from joining privately funded filibustering expeditions to conquer Latin American countries. Leaving aside the speculation, the rationale for taking Texas and the Mexican Cession was southern settlement. That the land was unsuited for plantation farming, or that the locals didn’t want slavery imposed where it had been abolished, and the white settlers (mostly southerners, including California’s governor and all of its Congressmen) agreed with them, was a nasty shock.

>>519561291
The 1850 crisis and the resulting compromise happened because the South wanted to impose slavery over a region against the will of the people who lived there. The concept of popular sovereignty had to be invented for them to accept reality, and they had to go one step further by pushing through the Fugitive Slave Act.

The Fugitive Slave Act merely radicalized New England, New York, Michigan, and Wisconsin, when very few slaves would get that far. Free states that bordered slave states had people who owned land and slaves on the other side of the border, so naturally they had few problems with compliance. Northern defiance where it mattered least inflamed radicals in the Deep South, where escape was nearly impossible. This radicalization destroyed the Whig Party, which represented people from all parts of the country, and replaced it with the Republican Party, which only represented the values and interests of the free states (despite their first presidential candidate being southern-born John C. Fremont). This drove southern Whigs into the Democratic Party, while the moderate northern Whigs faded away.

I should also mention that the southern assumption that the free states would always oppose them was never true until the 1850s, since slave owners living in free states and businessmen who worked with slave owners held considerable influence in the North. California, the epicenter of the 1850 crisis and home state of the 1856 Republican candidate, even voted consistently alongside the South until 1860.

The Kansas-Nebraska Act furthered the political/regional divide, as it repealed the Missouri Compromise and turned popular sovereignty into a tool to spread slavery. As radicals flooded Kansas, the violence was not exclusive to the abolitionists and Free Soilers, though John Brown’s exploits are the best known.

>>519561184
>No slaves imported
Look at how the jew talks. Between 1808 and 1861 did the amount of slaves in the country increase or decrease?

>>519561332
The whole debacle was so polarizing that it made an incompetent asshole like James Buchanan, who was uninvolved in the debate over the law, into a viable presidential candidate, while creating an opening for Stephen Douglas to potentially lose his Senate seat.

Before I get into the 1858 Senate race, I should talk about the Dred Scott Decision. The lower courts all broke established precedent, which would have granted Scott his freedom, because of the political atmosphere. Chief Justice Taney, quoted by some apologists in reference to Lincoln alleged tyranny, read a prepared statement throwing out the suit because the plaintiff is legally property, then overstepped the bounds of the case to declare that Congress has no constitutional authority to regulate slavery in the territories. You can’t say that the southern push to expand slavery is a northern conspiracy when the Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court outright said it.

The 1858 Senate race is less important for its effects on the South as it is for the Republican Party. Douglas as the incumbent, pushed the 1850 Compromise through Congress and was the architect of the Kansas-Nebraska Act. Lincoln was merely a prominent state level politician who served one term in the House. His electoral challenge brought him the national attention to grab the 1860 presidential nomination. Meanwhile, Douglas tried to shore up his antislavery credentials with the Freeport Doctrine, declaring that territories were free until they passed a law to legalize slavery, alienating potential southern supporters in his eventual presidential campaign in 1860.

Lincoln secured the Republican nomination against Fremont, tainted by his 1856 electoral defeat, and Seward, whose abolitionism and connection to Thurlow Weed’s political machine made him unelectable. Meanwhile the Democrats split over sectional lines and the moderate southern Whigs made one last gasp at relevancy with the Constitutional Union Party.

All in all the South was right and history has vindicated it time and time again. No amount of schizo spam posting and fanfic making will change the facts.
Sorry that history didn't magically disappear back when Dylan Roof shot some nogs in a church. I know you modern Mao Redguards want to rewrite our history to fit your special world view to make yourselves feel all warm and fuzzy on the inside. Luckily there's people like me and many others who'll always be there to tell you that you are wrong.
Not once did you ever try to dispute the fact that Abraham Lincoln was a tyrant who wiped his ass with our constitution, who pissed all over the country the founders created. I hope the bitcoin you got paid to pop up every time a anti Lincoln thread appears is worth it.

>>519561041
No, he did not violate the spirit of the constitution.
The South did by trying to drag Europe into American affairs, terrorizing and using fraud votes, and attacking senators though.
>>519561103
>anti Southern
You are using this phrase like how kikes say anti semite. I am fine with the South, I just hate the CSA and how Jewish it was. My dislike ends there.
Also even in those screenshots you are assuming it is all the same guy, not sure about that now that you are accusing me of it when I am not him and don't think Southern culture is inherently Jewish
>>519561134
Let me rephrase that.
He disliked slavery but it was hardly the issue he was concerned with most and would have been okay with a deal with the south, that is why I say he is lukewarm on it

>>519561184
lol that is not fucking true, up until 1859 planters were still getting slaves in illegally.
plantocrats loved their niggers, they demanded BBC to ride

>>519560486
There were talks of a central bank going back to Jefferson as president and decades after him, the precedent was long established so it's not built out of some false premise. Alexander Hamilton wanted a central bank badly as a federalist, he was an advocate for it years before Lincoln rose as the Republican leader. The jews had limited power in state-chartered banks in the Northeast and in the South but it was enough to pressure industrialists into federalism.

>>519560556
Source?

>>519561291
>>519561332
>>519561406
The whole 1850 crisis happened because southern politicians didn’t want to accept that their fellow southerners living in the Mexican Cession didn’t want slavery, and that both the desert and the Rocky Mountains are horrible places to build cotton plantations. The South pushed for the annexation of Texas and war with Mexico because they assumed the new territory would become slave states, then threw a bitchfit when faced with reality. Northern radicalization was a reaction to southern provocation.

TL;DR: The South wanted to spread slavery based on faulty political assumptions and their own unsustainable economy, the North tried to placate them, and Lincoln might have lost if the anti-Republican vote wasn’t split between three divisive candidates.

>>519547012
One of them could win battles, didn't throw tantrums, and didn't wear masonic aprons

>>519561504
>The north stole the entire western US after Texas but that's fine because the South declared war on Mexico
Oh those poor opium addicted beaners

>>519561577
>Win battles, lose war
>Lose battles, win war
Only a retard would venerate the first over the second.

>>519561184
The reason why you fight this so hard is you realize who committed the original sin and poisoned the country

>>519555996
>sees pic related
lol don't tell me
>56pbtid
lol School of the Americas glownigger here to baffle em with bullshit and derail by overloading everyone with inane ramblings.
>>519561647
A Churchill fan, I see ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

>>519561681
It's because cuckfederates are used to arguing from the position of being accused of being too racist. They don't know how to react when confronted with the fact they were negrophiles and not racist enough.

>>519561489
>There were talks of a central bank going back to Jefferson as president and decades after him
I am aware. Honestly there is no problem with a central bank in the hands of a good leader, it is the fact that we did it in the most Jewish way possible where we are charged interest for our own fucking money, and we have had trash leaders as well.
>it was enough to pressure industrialists into federalism
I think this is bullshit. Banks had power but back then you could do a run on them and completely fucking annihilate their business. Especially if you were one of the wealthy industrialists or plantation aristocrats. If anything, the industrialists and plantation owners could probably bully the smaller banks. Bankers weren't exactly moral but they were not all powerful back then.

>>519561621
Dixoids betrayed the Spaniards. The Old Hispanic communities from the southwest (Californians, Texans, Floridians, New Mexicans, Arizonians, etc.) called themselves Spaniards, identify themselves as Spaniards and hate Mexico and what Mexico represents as nation to the point they sided with Burgers against Mexican goverment.

In the Texas Independence, when Southern newspapers began reporting that the Texas War was a conflict between White Anglo-Americans against the "Hispanic-Mongrel inferior race" and their tyrannical government. Stephen Austin, a member of the Knights of the Golden Circle, defined this War as "A war of barbarism and of despotic principles, waged by the mongrel Spanish-Indian and Negro race, against civilization and the Anglo-American race".

All this is a big lie, the Mexican Tejanos had formed a rebellion side by side with the American Colonists, having as their main objective to fight against the dictatorship of Antonio López de Santa Anna. After the Revolution ended, the Norteños who had risen against Mexico City were betrayed, Southerners immigrated en masse to this newly independent country to build new slave plantations along the Coast, and the Norteños who lived there lost their possessions and were expelled from their lands. Juan Seguín, who had been elected mayor of San Antonio in Texas, was sent into exile after a mob of Southerners arrivals accused him of being a Mexican spy. He returned to that land years later after proving his innocence only to discover that Texas had become a racially segregated society, where Norteños were forced to live on land located along the Rio Grande and at that time none of them had any hope of obtaining political representation.

>>519542185
Do you even know the fucking history of "states' rights"? It goes back to Jefferson's Kentucky Resolution, if not the Hartford Convention, if not to the "antifederalists" who opposed even the Constitution itself.

Furthermore, the true cause of the Civil War was tariffs. Not slavery. But slavery is what created the political schism.

To put it simply, the war was about money, not slavery, and the north NEVER would have fought a war to free a single nigger. Even Abraham Lincoln said as much.

Southerners are delusional, but Yankees are fucking retarded.

>>519542072 (OP)
OP you dumb nigger.

>>519561924
>"At every hour of the day and night, my countrymen ran to me for protection against the assaults or exactions of those adventurers. Sometimes, by persuasion, I prevailed on them to desist; some times, also, force had to be resorted to. How could I have done other wise? Were, not the victims my own countrymen, friends and associates? Could; I leave them defenceless, exposed to the assaults of foreigners, who, on the pretext that they were Mexicans, treated them worse than brutes." (A Foreigner in My Own Land: Juan Nepomuceno Seguin Flees Texas, 1842)

>>519561492
John Jacob Astor. He facilitated a large part of the jewish takeover of the Northeast, the guy put jews in positions of power.

>>519561924
Spain betrayed the US acting like belligerent power players trying to set up rump states with spies in the upper echelons of US administration

If anything we should have genocided the beaners

>>519561934
>Irrevocably change the demographic makeup of the entire country
>Not traitors
Still haven't heard how you guys were going to end up different than literally every other slave colony that became an absolute shithole.

>>519561849
>you could do a run on them
They could do a run on customers too by literally bailing with their cash or treasures, a bank could also refuse to provide safety of deposits to anyone they deemed unworthy and deny their business. Different world back then, lot simpler.

>>519543131
You're retarded. Go read the Compact Theory, nigger. Moreover, the fucking Virginia Resolution. Thomas Jefferson told the north repeatedly that they could secede if they wanted to. Even James Buchanan(the president before Lincoln) said that the Federal Government has no authority, but warned that secession would set a precedent that would rip the Confederacy apart(see "rope of sand" in his last Inaugural). Robert E. Lee explained this as well in the Acton-Lee Correspondence.

Northern niggers never gave a fuck about the Constitution, and they still don't. They wanted to control the south for their own profits like always.

https://archive.lewrockwell.com/orig3/acton-lee.html

>>519562148
You're making a separate argument now, faggot. In fact, I agree with you. Which is why I constantly tell Confederate sympathizers that they're fucking delusional. The North didn't impose niggers on the south. They saved the south from turning into Brazil, if not Haiti.

>>519562108
Mexico during the Texas War was literally independent from Spain and Spain literally helped/recognized the US's independence against UK, you gigaretard. Who has more power in Hispanic America today? Spain or the US?

>>519558848
I'm cabloco, burgertard. Negroes/Mulattoes would be the Dixoids if the Golden Circle became to reality.

>Caboclo, caboco, mameluco cariboca or curiboca is a person of mixed race between white and indigenous people. It was also the old name for a Brazilian indigenous person. It can also be synonymous with caipira. A person of mixed race between white and caboclo is cariboca or curiboca, and this name is also used by the children of white and indigenous people

>The name was given by the first Portuguese settlers in Brazilian lands to the mixed race people. The mamelucos who stood out in the then Portuguese colony were the Bandeirantes, who collaborated in the expansion of the territory, until then limited by the Treaty of Tordesillas. Thus, some stood out in the then Portuguese colony (16th to 19th centuries) as bandeirantes, explorers who engaged in the capture of Indians and the search for precious metals, contributing to the expansion of Brazilian territory beyond the borders delimited at the time by the Treaty of Tordesillas

The Bandeirantes were mostly descendants of Galicians, Minhotos and Trás-os-Montes, settlers from northern Portugal/Spain who came from lower classes. These ethnic groups were viewed with a certain contempt by the Portuguese elite of the center-south, so the Bandeirantes were not very "Portuguese". Since they had a lot of direct contact with the Amerindian people and their mixed children became the majority of the Bandeirantes, Tupi ended up becoming the language of everyday life. This situation only began to change with the mass arrival of Portuguese settlers during the gold cycle in Minas Gerais and Pombaline reforms (which prohibited the use of Tupi/Lingua Geral) in the 18th century.

>>519562287
>Control
I love how you niggers refuse to acknowledge the benefits of working with the north. Even today we have to subsidize your retarded nigger asses to keep you from starving to death. You're like one of those 30 year olds living with mommy and daddy who hate them despite being totally reliant on them. You only see the bad, not everything else they do for you. Everything about the cuckfederate ideology makes you sound like a bunch of whiny, bitchass teens.

>>519562476
>Old Tupi, Ancient Tupi or Classical Tupi (Portuguese pronunciation: [tuˈpi]) is a classical Tupian language which was spoken by the indigenous Tupi people of Brazil, mostly those who inhabited coastal regions in South and Southeast Brazil

>In the early colonial period, Tupi was used as a General Language throughout Brazil by Europeans and Amerindians, and had literary usage, but it was later suppressed almost to extinction. Today, its sole living descendant is the Nheengatu language

>The term General Language (Portuguese: língua geral) refers to lingua francas that emerged in South America during the 16th and 17th centuries, the two most prominent being the Paulista General Language, which was spoken in the region of Paulistania but is now extinct, and the Amazonian General Language, whose modern descendant is Nheengatu

>Complementing this "package" of measures, the Marquis sought to give greater cultural uniformity to the colony, prohibiting the use of Nheengatu, the general language (a mixture of native languages and Portuguese, spoken by the bandeirantes) and making the use of the Portuguese language mandatory. Some scholars of history claim that it was with this measure that Brazil abandoned the path of becoming a bilingual country

>>519562510
Btw Before 1829–1872, the territory that would become Santa Catarina (in the South Brazil, the whitest region of Brazil) was practically entirely inhabited by Amerinds, especially Guaranis and Caipiras on the coast, and Jê (Kaingang, Xokleng) in the interior and some Cablocos in farms/cities. The presence of Caboclos was natural and emerged from contact between Amerindians and the Portuguese in the early colonial years, with the Half-Portuguese/Amerindian Cablocos themselves making up the majority of the Bandeirantes. Amerindians dominated the region demographically so much that, like the Bandeirantes, most of the bugreiros (paid killers of Indigenous people) were themselves half-bugres.

Many of the Europeans who established colonies in Rio Grande do Sul, Santa Catarina, and São Paulo were not strictly farmers. Most were industrialists in capital cities like Milan, Berlin, and Hamburg. They were shoemakers, blacksmiths, barroom politicians, and corrupt contraband vendors, who had seen a farm for the first time in Brazil. They had never even planted wheat in Germany, let alone cut down araucaria forests and cerrado savannahs and built shacks. Many of them had the help of local country bumpkins who taught them Brazilian agrarian techniques, such as how to confront and kill Indians, etc.

https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugreiro

>>519562420
There are many ways to be a traitor, anon.

>>519561934
it was slavery
it was the bedrock of the southern economy
slaves grew cotton and tobacco
every southern newspaper and plantocrat knew it
they were afraid of their slaves being taken away from them and begged britain and france for help

>>519562503
>subsidize
>from Jewish finance
The south would never "starve to death" you fucking retard. You have no clue how government works. I agree that the south was better off staying in the union, but it's not because of federal subsidies. It's because the south would have remained an agricultural/non-industrial shithole. Moreover, had the south seceded, the north wouldn't be here either. And the entire Western Hemisphere would have returned to being a European colony. What do you think Cinco De Mayo was?

>>519562476
>Spain helped the US
Literally acknowledged as a belligerent by the Revolutionary government. No better than any other monarchist empire

Beaners aren't even human you macaqo

>>519562697
The south wasn't growing food, retard. The north grew food. The south put all their eggs in the cash crop basket. It was working until you wanted to have your nigger and eat it too.

>>519562595
Slavery wasn't the bedrock, retard. Cotton was. King Cotton. And Cotton production significantly increased after the Civil War.

The cause of the Civil War was the Morrill Tariff. Go read the Georgia Declaration of Secession you stupid nigger.

https://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/csa_geosec.asp

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>>519562553
Fun Fact: Albert Pike, one of the co-founders of the Knights of the Golden Circle (which became the Klu Klux Klan during Reconstruction), liked Amerindians and hated Negroes/Mulattoes. Considering his high position in Freemasonry and the fact that he wrote a book on the Indo-Aryan deities of the Rig Veda in the 19th century, I think he probably knew about the Ancient North Eurasians (Proto-Amerindians) connection to Steppe (Proto-Indo-Aryan) and wanted to mix the White Southerners with the Cablocos of Central/parts of South America through Slavery in Golden Circle.

>In the early summer of 1831, Albert Pike broke away completely from his successful teaching career and started for the west on foot. He traveled, explored, traded, and lived with the Indians. He learned their language and customs. His honesty when dealing with them, his straightforward approach when discussing a problem, or clearing away a misunderstanding, won for him the confidence of the Indians. He settled in Little Rock, Arkansas, in 1833

>Pike built an impressive mansion in Little Rock in 1840, which contained thirteen rooms. He transferred his law practice to New Orleans in 1851, and practiced before the Supreme Court of the United States. He returned to Little Rock in 1857 and lived there until the outbreak of the Civil War. He was made a Brigadier General in the Confederate Army, and Commissioner for negotiating treaties with the Indians whose claims against the United States Government he prosecuted afterwards

>At the beginning of the war, Albert Pike was appointed as Confederate envoy to Native Americans. In this capacity he negotiated several treaties, one such treaty was the Treaty with Choctaws and Chickasaws conducted in July 1861

>>519562818
You know nothing about what you're talking about

>>519562869
>Literally 2 sentences before slavery is mentioned
Uh huh

>>519562879
>The treaty covered sixty-four terms covering many subjects like Choctaw and Chickasaw nation sovereignty, Confederate States of America citizenship possibilities, and an entitled delegate in the House of Representatives of the Confederate States of America

>The Cherokee, Choctaw, Chickasaw, Seminole, Catawba, and Creek tribes were the only tribes to fight on the Confederate side

>His most famous biographer and apologist – Duncan – reports that in 1858 Albert Pike and 11 of his collaborators issued a circular calling for the expulsion of freed Negroes and mulattos from Arkansas, citing “the laziness and bestiality of a degraded race”, their “immorality, filth and indolence” and calling the negro“ as despicable and depraved as an animal”

>>519562890
You grew cotton and tobacco. You couldn't have fed yourselves and kept the cash flowing if you had seceded. I do know what I'm talking about.

>>519563012
>"ALEXANDRIA, Va., 13th September, 1875

>MY DEAR FRIEND AND BROTHER.-I can see as plainly as you that the negro question is going to make trouble. There are plenty of regular negro Masons and negro lodges in South America and the West Indies, and our folks only stave off the question by saying that negro Masons here are clandestine. Prince Hall Lodge was as regular a Lodge as any lodge created by competent authority, and had a perfect right (as other lodge in Europe did) to establish other lodges, making itself a mother Lodge. That's the way the Berlin lodges, Three Globes and Royal York, became Grand Lodges

>The Grand Orient of Haiti is as regular as any other. So is the Grand Orient of the Dominican Republic, which, I dare say, has negroes in it and negro lodges under it

>Again, if the negro lodges are not regular, they can easily get regularized. If our Grand Lodges won't recognize negro lodges, they have the right to go elsewhere. The Grand Lodge can't say to eight or more Masons, black or white, we will not give you a charter because you are negroes, or because you wish to work the Scottish Rite, and you shall not go elsewhere to get one: That latter part is bosh

>Hamburg recognizes the Grand Lodges. Yes, and so the German Grand Lodge Confederation is going to do, and so will the Grand Orient of France before long

>>519562818
>The south wasn't growing food, retard. The north grew food. The south put all their eggs in the cash crop basket. It was working until you wanted to have your nigger and eat it too.
The South didn't grow food because cotton was more profitable. Go look at modern Egypt you fucking retard. They import massive amounts of grains even though they were literally the breadbasket of the Roman Empire. The reason is because they grow higher-value crops and then sell those instead.

Basically, they can produce fruits and nuts that are worth 2-10x the value of wheat on highly fertile soils in a warm climate that can't be grown in frozen shitholes. So they let the frozen shitholes grow wheat and they pocket the difference.

>>519563029
You're retarded, most of the US was settled by southern corn farmers

>>519563052
>Of course, if negrophily continues to be the religion established by law of your State, there will be before long somewhere a beginning of recognition of negro lodges. Then the Royal {Footnote to pg 214. - This was written before the Grand Orient had dispensed with the requirement of a belief in God.-w. h. u.}

>"Arch and Templar bodies of negroes must be taken in, and Masonry go down to their level. Will your plan work? I think not. I think there is no middle ground between rigid exclusion of negroes or recognition and affiliation with the whole mass

>If they are not Masons, how protect them as such or at all? If they are Masons, how deny them affiliation or have two supreme powers in one jurisdiction

>I am not inclined to meddle in the matter. I took my obligations to white men, not to negroes. When I have to accept negroes as brothers or leave Masonry, I shall leave it

>I am interested to keep the Ancient and Accepted Rite uncontaminated, in our country at least, by the leprosy of negro association. Our Supreme Council can defend its jurisdiction, and it is the law-maker. There can not be a lawful body of that Rite in our jurisdiction unless it is created by us

>I am not so sure that, what with immensity of numbers, want of a purpose worth laboring for, general indifference to obligations, pitiful charity and large expenses, fuss, feathers and fandango, big temples and large debts, Masonry is become a great helpless, inert mass that will some day, before long, topple over, and go under. If you wish it should, I think you can hasten the catastrophe by urging a protectorate of the negroes. Better let the thing drift. Apres nous le deluge

>Truly, yours,

>ALBERT PIKE"

>>519562869
who was growing the cotton?
who was picking the crops?
why did the vice president of the CSA call slavery the cornerstone of the confederate way of life?
why were there clauses in the Confederate constitution explicitly defending and setting slavery in stone?
why was it that people who had 20 slaves or more couldn't be drafted?

>>519562966
Slavery was an issue, but the war was not about slavery. It was about money. The Morrill tariff was basically set to triple the tariff rate. And Britain/France were already moving cotton production to their colonies. The tariff would have basically wiped out the entire south's economy.

As I said, cotton production increased dramatically after the Civil War.