Thread 520219306

UBI was always the key to the promised land

>>520219306 (OP)

If that is the case, then why is it that section-8 SNAP parasites do absolutely nothing for themselves or the community? They just sit around and exist like a plant.

>>520219306 (OP)
but only for jews

>>520219586
whoa there chud youre sounding a bit anti semitic there

>>520219586
Is this random "SNAP" shitposting the latest psyop?

>>520219306 (OP)
That's not how it works, OP. The key to Ubi is that it's not enough to live on. The idea is to supplement your income, not be your income. So you're still going to work, but a great deal of the terror and pressure of earning a living is gone since the basics (like rent) are taken care of.

>>520219306 (OP)
who tf will work bruh? grinding to make more than basic income sounds so unappealing when all your profits are taken away via taxation and given to lazy bums

>>520219707
No Kangz protests failed so they had to try something else and the deadline's tight so they're overdoing it.

>>520219306 (OP)
Can do similar things with very affordable housing, probably via widespread rent control.

>>520219845
umm no chud it must be enough to buy the basic necessities

UBI is a solution to a problem ingrained so deeply that you can't imagine life without it.
The true post-scarcity utopia is a money-less society

>>520219306 (OP)
Only if money issued by UBI has a time limit

>>520219956
Exactly what I said. Enough to cover or nearly cover rent.

>>520219586
>nb4 no one replies to me or acknowledge my presence because you’re all fake and gay

“ What it mainly revealed was that one of the most insidious of the “hidden injuries of class” in North American society was the denial of the right to do good, to be noble, to pursue any form of value other than money – or, at least, to do it and to gain any financial security or rewards for having done. The passionate hatred of the “liberal elite” among right-wing populists came down, in practice, to the utterly justified resentment towards a class that had sequestered, for its own children, every opportunity to pursue love, truth, beauty, honor, decency, and to be afforded the means to exist while doing so. The endless identification with soldiers (“support our troops!) – that is, with individuals who have, over the years, been reduced to little more than high tech mercenaries enforcing of a global regime of financial capital – lay in the fact that these are almost the only individuals of working class origin in the US who have figured out a way to get paid for pursuing some kind of higher ideal, or at least being able to imagine that’s what they’re doing. Obviously most would prefer to pursue higher ideals in way that did not involve the risk of having their legs blown off. The sense of rage, in fact, stems above all from the knowledge that all such jobs are taken by children of the rich.”

>>520219306 (OP)
>He dedicates that much thinking to money to live
Sounds like a you issue faggot.
Most people can actually schedule their entire day without it being a problem.
No really. Most of us can wake up and know what we need to do and not need to wake up with coffee, weed, cigarette breaks, another coffee, stimulating gum, stimulating videos and music.
Most of us are that thing called NORMAL and can function without wants you mistook for needs.
You stink of redditourist.

>>520220073
In the 'woergl experiment' or 'miracle of woergl' they issued a kind of time limited money and the town experienced a fairly robust economic boom.

>>520220391
My friend can I piss in your mouth?

>>520219586
Hey boomer faggot why does Israel get free money from America but it becomes a problem for Americans?
Boomers sent all the jobs to china and flooded the country with Illegals and Indians, crying about anything besides the jewish influence makes you a jewish faggot

>>520219306 (OP)
Left: Niggercattle NPCs
Right: Internal monologue users

>>520220504
I really wanna piss it big

>>520220149
umm no chud basic necessities includes food, water, rent, and entertainment

This is assuming every single person is altruistic and will always help others for the sake of helping others.
Furthermore, you've taken every single reason for us to care about each other away. My "fellow Americans" are not me. They are not of me. They do not look like me. They do not act like me. They do not care about me. We do not believe the same things. And yet I'm supposed to dedicate my life to making their lives better? These people wouldn't give a shit if I got raped to death by homeless junkies in an alleyway, and I wouldn't care about them either.
You can't get rid of every single thing that unified us then expect us to act as unified as humanly possible just because "we're Americans".

>>520219707
leftists are reaaaaaally hoping the niggers chimp out, because they'll never do a thing themselves

>help community
You urbanites crack me up. Is self reliance a Nazi thing? You need government to keep you alive with someone else's tax money? Why work then? Why pay taxes when UBI exists? Just print more money, right?

>>520219306 (OP)
>UBI was always
failed everywhere it has been tried
your "happiness" turns into useless inactivity and boredom filled with attempts at diversion often ending in addiction of some kind

>>520219648
Anon are you having a stroke

>>520219306 (OP)
They will take your food and shelter away the moment you commit wrongthink. If your posting on this website and UBI becomes the standard, take my advice and buy a tent and a fishing pole.

>>520219306 (OP)

UBI schemes have already failed everywhere its been tried. Why are you still talking about this disaster if a concept.

Get a fucking job!

>>520220857
>the libertardian talks about failed economic systems
like poetry

>>520219306 (OP)
fixed

>>520219845
The key is that UBI needs to provide the people with a share of the common wealth. Right now rich-frens get to keep all of the growth of the common wealth, and then parcel it out piecemeal to keep people working for them and buying their stuff, while they get to avoid losing anything when the common wealth contracts, as the people lose their homes or businesses.

With UBI everyone would get one share of this by default, and then they can spend it wherever they want within the economy. And if it the overall economy shrinks, UBI goes down (so would wages and prices). The point is that it puts all the citizens in it together, rich-frens still get a larger share, but no longer would gains be privatized and losses socialized.

>>520219306 (OP)
UBI is nothing but another way of saying EBT.
Remember, what the man giveth, the man taketh away.

>>520220938
This. Good luck getting farmers to feed cattle at 5am in the freezing cold when everyone else is getting freebies.

>>520220149
>Enough to cover or nearly cover rent.
Now that everyone has this stipend, rent has skyrocketed because everyone can afford to pay more and housing is no less scarce than it was before. You solved nothing and actually made things worse.

Yet people on welfare are invariably fat and lazy slobs who spend their time watching TV.

>>520221108
>housing is no less scarce than it was before

Housing is probably going to be more scarce because you've now got to find someone willing to build it when there's an alternative option of sitting on their arse with their UBI freebies.

>>520219306 (OP)
Job is the only reason why I meet people, innovate and self improve.

>>520221052
why not just import more niggers to feed the cattle by hand?

>>520221610
The commies tried farming with forced labour at gunpoint. Ends with a famine.

>>520221787
i guess threatening your own people with starvation and homelessness is the only way to feed those cattle

No matter what you think of UBI, it will never be implemented as a serious solution.
Even if ai comes along and takes all the work away, UBI will never be implemented. It goes against human nature to have a bunch of people working and a bunch of people getting free stuff. No one will ever let that happen.

If you want to know what the solution to the jobs crisis is, look at what is happening now. There has never been a point in history where there has been enough meaningful work for everyone to be working, yet its in human nature to put everyone to work.
That's why we have "bullshit jobs".
I know the whole "bullshit jobs" thing is considered a terrible, broken phenomenon, but its actually just a clever solution to the work paradox.
As automation strips away more meaningful work, we are going to see a rise in office culture as the government pours more money into creating pointless departments and incentives for companies to take on more pointless employees.
We will be seeing a lot more middle managers, social media marketers, box tickets and soviet style hole diggers being followed around by hole fillers.
And thats a good thing.
Bullshit is the solution to the working paradox. Not fancy pie in the sky solutions like UBI.
We need to accept that a lot of society is playing pretend, and thats okay.

>>520221052
they will if they want to make more money than UBI? and if not, they'll get replaced by people who do

Simple as

>>520221896
That's how human civilisation has been run for thousands of years and it's not going to change until someone comes up with a completely new way of producing food. It's a biology problem, not an economic or political one.

>>520222011
>you will work harder or we'll take everything from you
lmao you deserve communism

>>520219306 (OP)
The 2nd one is just Christ's teachings without Christ and works without Christ are worthless

>>520219845
Where did the OP imply UBI was a supplement to one's full income?

>robots will do all the work and we'll get free money!
This will never be the case because consumption rises 1:1 with productivity. That is to say the more shit there is, the more shit people demand. So yeah maybe 90% of the population could live off UBI *if* they were content with the living standards of the average person, day, 150 years ago. But nobody ever is. This is why mass-unemployment is a fantasy. There will always be more work to do because there will always be more to consume.

>>520219306 (OP)
There are all kinds of good arguments against UBI like it depresses wages, it's potentially costly, politicians can choke you by lowering it at a whim.

yet all arguments are basically "the poor are sinners and parasites and they will keep being sinners and parasites unless punished and humiliated by powerty". Why is that?

>>520222165
so you'd be ok with people having thousands of acres of unproductive, unworked land?

Suppose a huge oil deposit was found on some richfag boomer land in your country. What if boomer refused to exploit it? I guess forcing him would be communism.

I really, really, hate you all.

>>520220938
Who told you boomers about 4chan? Go back to facebook

>>520219648
why
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qutck

>>520222698
it's only unproductive land in commie world where he doesn't benefit. in a world of incentives and free markets, the incentive to create wealth (from which he greatly benefits) is stronger

>>520222929
seethe chang

>>520220991
I try to stay out of the more partisan elements of economics but its just a fact that we're going to have to talk about UBI sooner or later, given how automation is crawling up the skills ladder and displacing more and more people

What do we do when we have fully automated factories with zero need for human input, from raw material to finished product? Do we just let them be monopolized by private individuals who keep 100% of the profits minus maintenance and let everyone else wither on the vine?

An obvious solution to something like this would be for the state to nationalize such a factory and then lease it to businesses for producing their products, returning the rent as either UBI or financing the government

If people crap themselves over food stamps there's no way they'll allow ubi.

https://youtu.be/t7mmjxkL5X0
We were so fucking close to the Star Trek timeline.
So. fucking. close.

>>520222865
>implying shlomo will actually give you free money expecting nothing in return
ngmi

>>520222595
>This will never be the case because consumption rises 1:1 with productivity. That is to say the more shit there is, the more shit people demand
Will not happen. Are billionaires with 1000x the income buying 1000x times more pants, food, coffee mugs, smartphones, etc... or even 1000x better, since even decadent luxury has it's limits and most of the wealth that the richest get after certain point they will never personally consume to increase their standard of living. Most People's needs won't scale infinitely. most of average person's consumption profile is just stone age consumption, but fancier. Food, clothes, shelter and the like, in different proportions of course.

yeah if you give a people living at the poverty line money, they will consume that all to a certain point, but it will not go on forever.

Also you kinda forget that most of today's consumption is manufactured. Consumption not because people have needs, but because so that companies can sell more shit to keep existing and making profits.

>>520220938
But we're on trajectory for everything on the right without UBI lmao

>>520219306 (OP)
>help community
Yeah, okay. You probably misspelled "demand more gibs me dat."

>>520223178
post your state so i can laugh at you

Exploitable

>>520222595
If that were true, there would be no need for export markets because American demand for goods and services would have scaled perpetually

The reality is that people only have so much time in their day, can only consume so much food per day and can only use gadgets and toys for so long

Once Americans got their 2 cars, big houses, full spectrum entertainment and healthcare that let them reach their natural lifespans as a norm demand slid down because there was no life needs left to satisfy

Note that what I'm talking about here is growth in consumption, not consumption itself. Billionaires can engage in wasteful conspicuous consumption like buying a new car for every day of the year and only driving them one day per year, but that is the opposite extreme of what we are talking about concerning UBI, which would just supplement or cover the basics

>>520223088
Finngolian anon covered it before I had a chance, goes to show why you're #1 average IQ in Europe

>>520222990
thats right and thats why the farmer would still feed his cattle at 5AM even if there is UBI, cause he wants more than the bare minimum

>print free money for everyone
>it becomes worthless

>>520219306 (OP)
UBI is a rebranding of communism. Do you really want jews to decide who gets how much money even more than they do now?

>>520223363
as opposed to print free money for jews? and its becoming worthless either way

>>520223474
thats the point of UBI anon, they dont. By definition everyone gets the same. That is not deciding who gets money and how much. Thats precisely the opposite

>>520223570
le false dichotomy

>>520219306 (OP)
Imagine how poor and stupid a person has to be to actually believe that.

The shit you do at work DOES help your community. A retail job is literally you helping to get people fed, or clothed, or to enjoy whatever it is your place sells.

>>520219306 (OP)
>>520223269

>>520223570
America's dollar is the world reserve currency, there is a perpetual global demand for USDs which is why the US can borrow in its own currency at absurdly low interest rates and maintain a permanent trade deficit

The world's economy needs a constant inflow of USDs in order to keep up with its growth and expansion, and ironically if the US started practicing fiscal austerity and paid its debts down this would contract the supply of circulating USDs and cause a global economic crisis

America could in theory abolish all its taxes tomorrow and just finance itself government through printing money. Taxation is just a pretense, sort of like bagholders pretending a shitcoin has some intrinsic value in order to justify continuing to hold the bag

>>520223088
>will not happen
It has happened, and continues to happen. If people were content with so little we would all be working 5 hour weeks since the 1800s. The idea that there is some upper limit we have hit or are about to hit is laughable and based on nothing. Massively self-absorbed "end of history" type shit to claim that.
>billionaires
Someone with a private jet and megayacht and mansions is absolutely consuming hundreds or thousands times more than the average person. Do you think "consumption" refers to calories?

>>520223033
>What do we do when we have fully automated factories with zero need for human input, from raw material to finished product?
picrel.
panel 2

>>520223350
if that was true then there would be no need to take everything from him if he doesn't do more than the bare minimum. but it's not true, which is why it always comes down to forced labor with commies

>>520223769
good one

>>520219306 (OP)
I know this is not true because have an extremely selfish "friend" who only ever thinks about himself and his own needs. I can see what is already happening. If you gave my greedy friend money, he would just keep it for himself. He wouldn't "help community" because he doesn't do that now.

>>520223694
one way or another you're gonna print new money. Who would you rather have this new money? yea most money printed goes to invesment firms to pump markets or big corpos. When you ask for a mortgage you're making new money AND making the bank profit, so imagine..
>>520223850
uhh, i know? i know it damn well. All UBI would do is rise the price of everything, but wages would get a huge boost too.

>>520223296
>If that were true, there would be no need for export markets because American demand for goods and services would have scaled perpetually
Bizarre non-sequitor. I could just as easily say that imports shouldn't exist, by your logic.

The entire mindset of commies is that they're special and wouldn't need to work in utopia. They're all just stupid lazy spoiled children.

>>520223850
>which is why the US can borrow in its own currency at absurdly low interest rates and maintain a permanent trade deficit
THey can and have but its been horrible for the US economy. Its why wages have been slipping for the last 50 years and why people are broke as fuck. America has basically been selling its capital off for consumer goods, and when there is no more capital americans will be slaves to china.

>>520219306 (OP)
This is simple slavery and true to their past they want to make slaves out of the working class. Yeah nigger, I go to work all day then hand over half to you who has done nothing but buttfuck himself all day. I'd smash your face if I could

>>520224054
if he's sitting on huge land able to produce cattle and he doesnt, somebody will buy the land from him. If he refuses to sell his sons will. This doesnt even have anything to do with UBI or communism its how reality works. Nobody sits on productive land for long without exploiting it

>>520219306 (OP)
Now show us the non-white brain after UBI.

>>520219306 (OP)
>before basic income
COOOOOOOM
>after basic income
COOOOOOOM

>>520219586
bodied that libtard freak
I'll be happier once i stop paying for their existence

>>520219306 (OP)
Your cartoon has totally changed my mind.

>>520224190
Yeah I'm agreeing with you

>>520224196
You're positing that infinite demand exists in a finite world with finite human lives and time in a given day, I'm rejecting your assertion

If you want to argue UBI is a problem because airdropping people free money without any expectations attached will probably lead to degeneracy, that's something I can get behind. If I were to design a UBI system I would probably make it conditional on marriage and procreation

Also there needs to be at least symbolic costs to goods and services in order for people to be efficient in how they allocate resources, if you make something literally free it leads to the tragedy of the commons where it gets wasted, e.g. free university being wasted by unserious people versus small but non trivial fees attached to make it just enough of an expense to not be abused

But your logic is simply flawed

>>520224253
>wage slave acting like he's a king

>>520224217
its not communism to want to free man from labor, its what we advanced science and technology for. Automation is not communism. Why shouldnt man benefit from all this automation? even with all this technology you gotta dig the ditch or you starve, you fcking kidding me? you realize the amount of food that gets thrown away
>muh communism
fucking braindead retards lmao

>>520223850
Donald Trump is now putting punitive taxes on the export of USD. Because fairness or somesuch leftist shit. Trump believes that anyone who buys USD is evil and must stop. For example on every dollar a Chinese company buys from the US, the American exporter must pay additional 1,50 dollars in export fees to the US government. As expected, the dollar sales are crashing hard now and the immense dollar surplus on the US markets is driving the prices beyond good and evil. Their central bank tries to accelerate the internal money flow with lower interest rates, but the success is limited and once 0% interest is reached, nothing can be done anymore.

>>520224233
Its been great for the US economy, what are you talking about? The people that matter (top <1%) are wealthier than they've ever been before

You just have to realize that America is a giant central bank and platform for financial instruments, and the nations and people attached to this central bank are externalities that just need to be managed out of the way

If you need skilled workers and technocrats, you just import the best and brightest because as the world's central bank you can offer the fattest paychecks

Half of America's population could be dying in the gutter on fentanyl and things would keep humming along happily

>>520219306 (OP)
GIBS ME DAT UBI NIGGA

UBI is jewish slave control

>>520224539
I didn't say that it was infinite, only that it increases relative to productivity.

>>520223268
>muh states
You're on the same boat to oblivion, nigger cattle.

>>520219306 (OP)
Another retarded fucking idea that'll show it's fragility immediately and require the tyranny of a governing class that has all the wealth and you all fuckin know it. You don't just re-wire people's brains, now put an unbiased species in charge of it, like AI, then it might work better..until it decides it needs to kill everyone- which might actually be needed as humans always get stupid. Also, the only real chance of seeing some success is with racial homogeneity, so it's dead to rights already in Amerishart.

>>520219306 (OP)
>HELP COMMUNITY
What drugs are these people on? Can I have some?

>>520219306 (OP)
there'd be a massive increase in art

>>520219306 (OP)
Okay, but how does any of that bullshit help Mr shekelberg afford his private jet?

>>520219586
All the mad shitlibs replying to you lmao. Fibby fucking bippy.

There's no such thing as a free lunch.

>>520224852
Well sure, so what? India has virtually no domestic consumer economy and is dependent on outsourcing because the average Indian is too poor to afford buying its own goods and services

If they were to lose 2/3 of their population, the value of labour would skyrocket there and wages + consumer demand would grow in tandem, creating a domestic consumer economy and making them less reliant on selling goods and services to wealthier countries

There is no reason to assume this scales up perpetually, but even if it did, if its scaling up with actual productivity (including automated productivity) that just means your overall society is getting more and more wealthier.

Go watch an episode of the Jetsons and you'll get the gist of what I'm talking about

>>520225135
the bank disagrees

>>520223269
I don't know how anyone can go through life working to make someone else rich, while making the world a genuinely worse place. Supporting a monopoly right now is an economical mistake as well. These people will just keep working.

>>520219586

The vast majority of able-bodied snap recipients work. Stop ingesting FOX News or Beanie Boy or whatever the fuck retarded propaganda you listen to uncritically and maybe read a book you dumb faggot.

>>520219648
your handwriting is terrible
also because that's just what they do

>>520219586

mostly because of identity politics
its been pushed pretty hard on black people that the rich take advantage of them for the past few decades
as such they lose respect for society and dont care
'got mine, get the fuck out of my way' so to speak

i think a hard pill for many liberals to swallow is how racist black people as a whole really are.

>>520224648
Trump's instincts are right but he and his crowd have no idea how the US economy actually works

The best thing America could do for itself right now is default on all its current debt and re-issue a new currency, only redeemable for USDs within the American domestic economy

This would completely destroy the global economy and America would be in chaos for some years but once they reconstitute themselves without having the world reserve currency status they can act as a normal country again with a normal economy

It worked for Germany under moustache man after all

>>520220391
>woergl experiment
were there minorities or different classes of individuals in this experiment?
because thats the main issue at hand anon

There is 2 types of people who are genuinely making the world a worse place and they're both losers.

1. The waste your life away worker. They don't even get paid enough money to live.
2. The motherfucker investor. Loses money on investments, keeps up monopolies which don't follow legal, moral nor efficiency requirements.

The monopoly lock is real and the psychological exploitation of the worker is optimized for maximum exploitation.

>>520225193
>If they were to lose 2/3 of their population, the value of labour would skyrocket there and wages + consumer demand would grow in tandem, creating a domestic consumer economy and making them less reliant on selling goods and services to wealthier countries
This is not only fallacious but completely irrelevant, I have no idea what you're trying to say.
>There is no reason to assume this scales up perpetually
There is no reason to assume it doesn't
>that just means your overall society is getting more and more wealthier
Yes. And?
>go watch a cartoon
Ok

The worst part about all this, is the workers could be paid 50cents less per hour tomorrow, and they'll all just keep working.

>>520222595
Work doing what? It's all about earning permission from a rich-fren to have some of what the economy is producing. So if there is no more work in actually producing things, because robots are doing it, what will people be doing?

>>520225406
Unlike you, I live around these people. I see what they're really like. Yes, many of them do work. A lot of them do not. But what they absolutely do not do is any of the things shown on the right side of the image. They do not self-improve, innovate, pursue long term goals and they most certainly do NOT help their community.

If it is like that with them then why would it not be feasible to believe it would be like that with Whites?
Unless there's something you want to finally admit about them. Feel free.
Don't think you will though. I also do not think you'll respond to this post with anything other than vitriol or dismissive hand-waving. Prove me wrong!

>>520225644
Sorry you don't understand econ 101 anon

Thankfully it seems the smarter people on the RW are winning on this issue and blind support for liberal capitalism is just a boomer and Xoomer phenomenon

>>520219306 (OP)
if it can be UBI + racial segregation.
otherwise. it doesn't matter.

>>520225700
Who knows? A 19th century luddite could never imagine an average office job today. What makes you think you're so special?

This Melbournian faggot amuses the shit out of me. I wonder if it's a Chink.

>>520219306 (OP)
i'm starting to understand ubi.
the selling point, including in op's picture, is for tards.
every promise of what ubi can bring is wrong. experiments show drop in productivity where ubi is introduced, just like what common sense predicts
however, ubi can still be beneficial for the society as a whole.
because benefit system is fucked.
people who could survive without benefits and could use their energies to create, spend energy and effort gaming the system.
people who have genuine issues, especially mental issues, are too incompetent to jump through the benefit hoops required to get on benefits.
i suspect a lot of homeless people don't get the benefits they could have been entitled to.
with ubi, no more jumping through the hoops means no more abuse of the system, and the ones that need it definitely do get it.
what about rich people?
not a lot of them, and they should be contributing enough in taxes to more than offset ubi.
what about creating the "vermin class"
maybe. but women will still prefer a man that can do more than buy her a bottle on ubi.
the level of benefit would likely not change much for the ones near the bottom that can still reproduce, so likely we wouldn't see things change all that much. it is people that are beyond this stage, that aren't capable of supporting themselves, those would benefit the most.
there would also be some minor savings, as you would need to employ less staff and spend less on developing new benefit systems. not a major saving overall though.

usa spends 1.5T on social security currently. this doesn't include other spending.
https://fiscaldata.treasury.gov/americas-finance-guide/federal-spending/
usa has 340m people.
spreading social security budget out, you could give each usa citizen $4k, and still have some left over.
this either means there are a lot of people either receiving far more than $4k in benefits (doesn't include health, income or veteran benefits), or the system is extremely inefficient.

>>520219306 (OP)
Gibs ain't for you white boy

>>520225822
Nothing you have said has been "econ 101". You basically just gave up and agreed with me while adding some irrelevant nonsense about India to obfuscate.

>>520225896
The only reason we escaped 19th century proletarianism is because of massively funded public education that allowed people to expand into the knowledge economy, since labour and manufacturing was massively automated

With AI and advanced automation, those sectors of the economy that created the middle class and white collar economy are facing the same automation crisis as the wage labour and farming economy did 150 years ago

And unlike that time, we don't have an untapped human resource like cognitive potential to offset the impact of automation

If anything, the 19th and early 20th century progressive era just delayed the automation crisis until now rather than preventing it

>>520225483
Clown take.

>>520221052
They'll still do it they just won't accept whatever currency UBI is paid in because it'll be worthless.

>>520219306 (OP)
This will never happen because people would be happier and happier people will not tolerate bullshit from rich assholes and politicians. UBI could have been done decades ago but wasn't, on purpose, to keep people focused on the eternal grind. You work and then die or kill yourself. That's your entire existence and if you don't like it you're a communist or whatever meme buzzword they wanna use to keep you down and fighting one another. I'm job hunting right now and I might have to kill myself if I don't get hired in the next 4 months. The entire system is rigged and the average person loves it.

>>520226148
You already conceded that your infinite demand belief was silly, so I explained how disposable income works

By your logic India is in a better place than first world countries because costs of food and other services are low, due to people being too poor to afford them anyways

>>520219306 (OP)
>help community

What community? West’s been sold out by golems and women.

>>520219306 (OP)
Will it help me think more about trannies?

>>520225896
The luddites were reacting to the bad wages and bad conditions of the factory more than anything else, and the various ways that work on the farm or older methods of earning a living were being eradicated. This was reported as 'they just don't like factories lol'.

People who want reforms today are reacting to the makework and bullshit jobs, and the imposition of more mandatory debt, and that the gains made from automation are all accruing to the upper classes. Because all of the changes are sold as 'you'll own nothing and you'll be happy', they're reacting against that with 'you have to give us things of real value in exchange for whatever kind of work you invent next'.

>>520219306 (OP)
Does the left really want UBI?
How badly do they want it? Enough to do the needful?
>borders are racist!
Better start getting racist then.

>>520225931
Back in my day, posts with an Aussie flag used to mean something. They even drew the attention of our normally aloof luggage lad. Sadly, the old ways seem to be dieing out. I thought those days were over and we were entering into a time of darkness, but this one sick cunt is in here doing his best to keep hope alive. It's almost enough to make a grown man throw another shrimp on the barbie.

>>520225812
It's more about people who are on the margins. There are plenty of people who could be earning higher wages, working in better conditions, or starting their own businesses, but all of their considerable effort and attention has to go on paying down debts while earning pennies on the dollar for what they provide to the firm.

We're told that these people will transform into people who don't want to work every time there is any effort to pay them what they're worth.

>>520219306 (OP)
Have they tried encouraging a living wage for 4 day work weeks instead of 60 hour weeks to pay for everyone else to eat for free?

Just a suggestion.

Over the next 3 years middle management of monopolies have an opportunity to move up, but they will dash the opportunities of a lot of workers to move on up the corporate chain.
A lot of middle management will take more pay for themselves.

Crime will increase.
Radical movements will increase in size, but will be mitigated by divide and conquer by corporate and governance.

Pay will reduce, products will increase in price, product quality will go down.

Immigration will be heavily fought for by corporate and corporate management.

Monopolies can be displaced by an omni-disaster, but governance is protecting against the disaster.

The desired disaster that is ideal: 1. Banning of loans above $150,000. This will permanently drop house prices, kill banks and put all mortgage workers into permanent debt forever. But this is not as terrible as it seems. The permanent debt slave will be fine actually.

All the politicians preventing the removal of these loans needs to be eliminated for the omni-disaster to occur.

>>520226481
Another thing that is just being ignored by the RW is how UBI policies can be used for social engineering

For example, imagine a program where women are given the equivalent of a middle class salary if they are married and have 2+ children, on condition of them exiting the labour force

This would massively increase the value of male labour by pulling women out of the economy, take pressure off the man as the sole breadwinner and greatly boost eugenic fertility

>>520219306 (OP)
Based. Wagecucking is useless in 2025. Give me that UBI so I can finally ghost society.

>>520219306 (OP)
Didn't Finland try this to a rousing failure not to long ago

>>520226293
Of course that will be the proposed method of delivering UBI. Their idea isn't to make something that works, it's to make something that preserves fortunes on one end and forces people to keep accept bad wages and bad conditions on the other end. Even if only 10% of them are actually working, because automation has absorbed 90% of jobs humans used to do, that 10% can't have any bargaining power and can't use their UBI or wages to accumulate any kind of real capital. It's that or the system has to fail entirely. The version where it represents a real redistribution of income wouldn't be permitted at all, except to take money from people who work more and give it to people who work less, without ever touching the fortunes of people who make their money by owning the things.

>>520219306 (OP)
>help community

What community???

>>520227317
Multiple rousing failures every time a theory has been put into application has never stopped them before.

>>520224096
>>520223769

SEXOOOOOOOOOOO

>>520219586
because they're mostly niggers and other assorted nons

>>520219306 (OP)
lets not omit all the odious reprehensible behaviour got us to this longpoint

>>520227484
hello neighbor

>>520219306 (OP)
>help community
kek

change that one for fapping

>>520226193
You don't benefit from USD dependence either though, in fact the whole policy of the US since the end of the Cold War has been to keep Europe as weak and crippled as possible so you don't pose a threat to them

Nobody benefits from the current status quo except a fraction of a percent of the American population and members of their class and co-ethnics internationally

Inflation. scarce money maintains value

>>520229179
This is one of the few non-shit threads on this site, least you could do is bump it

>>520220346
I think you need to add sex. I get the feeling the general population thinks about sex way more than I do

>>520225812

I'll respond. They probably won't do those things. That's because they've been conditioned by a profoundly sick, degenerate society. They're too far gone. Doesn't mean we should let them starve. Give it a few generations, form a healthy society with real values that doesn't punish people for being poor and those tendencies will change. Are you a white man with basic empathy or some neoliberal niggercattle expressing learned sociopathy?

>>520219306 (OP)
true. i hope they someday make it happen. i would start a business if it had no risk to current income and surviving

>>520229630
>>520229630
what would your business do?

>>520229695
it would sell random stuff online. right now that would throw me off benefits and no one can rely on business like that to survive

>>520220595
>This is assuming every single person is altruistic and will always help others for the sake of helping others.
Nothing a little social credit score won't fix.
>FORCED ALTRUISM
>FORCED CHARITY
>YOU VILL HELP GRANDMA CROSS ZE STREET
>EVEN IF GRANDMAS SKIN COLOR IS BLACK OR BROWN

>>520229794
so if you had enough money to live you would sell random shit online to other people who only have enough money to live? sounds like a real plan there. what the fuck does random shit consist of?

>>520219306 (OP)
it's inevitable on our current vector
capitalism isn't doing enough for enough people

>>520229536
Everyone just assumes liberal priors when it comes to any kind of redistribution. The whole point of "national socialism" in the literal sense is that the state uses tools like redistribution to achieve certain ends

For example NS Germany provided mortgages for newlyweds that were reduced by 1/4 for each child until 4 children were born, at which point the loan was forgiven altogether

>>520222165
>you will work harder or we'll take everything from you
>lmao you deserve communism
ever tried not paying taxes, shartymarty?

>>520219306 (OP)
Give a bunch of hobos 1k a month.
You know what you get?
A bunch of hobos that blow 1k on hobo shit every month.

Monetary abundance usually does not substantially change the character of a person, and if it does, then normally for the worse (in the sense of fuck-you-money).

This whole shtick
>if only I had the cash and the time I would turn my life around
is a huge fucking cope.
You niggas already have all the wealth and time to do shit
You still choose sit on your ass and browse social media all day.

>>520229794
>it would sell random stuff online.

You can build a business like that through ebay right now you surströmming smelling tard
your boomer parents are doing this on the side.

>>520219306 (OP)
The only gate UBI will open is the gate to eternal slavery. You will not be able to scale your socioeconomic position once they roll that shit out. If mr kikestain wants to rape your children in the middle of the street, you will have to comply and smile or die. But probably thats what commies wanted all along, since all of them are mentally ill animals with weird fetishes.

>>520219306 (OP)
>>520219306 (OP)
You make money to live by helping your community btw. World impact directly scales with income and vice versa.

>>520219845
>The key to Ubi is that it's not enough to live on.
Then it is by definition not Universal Basic Income, thus anything after this point of discussion is irrelevant to the concept of actual UBI.

Do you not know what the "basic income" part means?

Is 4channel broked?

>>520229853
who would have only enough money to live in ubi? only idiots would be out of money then

>>520229953
I don't even want to help the community anymore. I work a job that is forward facing enough that I interact with them most days of the week and more than half the population are fine with stealing shit they don't need. why do 16 year old Afgan kids needs to steal Red Bull cans everyday?

>>520219306 (OP)
>randy and tyrone get ubi
>randy keeps his job and uses the extra income to buy things he wants or go on vacation
>tyrone quits his job if he ever had one and stays lazy. ends up spending ubi on rims and shit and then gets kicked out because he has no money for rent

>>520223850
Based MMTchad

>>520219306 (OP)
How exactly is UBI supposed to work in a capitalist system where corporations must increase profits year after year? If everyone is given X amount of money every month, then X will quickly buy you nothing anymore. It's not universal basic income; it's universal basic inflation. You also can't get rid of capitalism because then there's no incentive for anyone to do any work anymore and even with increased AI and automation there will always be a need for a certain percentage of the population to work to keep things in check... UBI is just a bad idea. We're in for a really shitty time with or without UBI. We're just very unlucky to not have been born 50 years earlier or 50 years later.

>>520229989
how are you going to get money to purchase random shit to begin with? do you have money now or random shit laying around. does anyone want this "shit"? why haven't you already started selling random shit to people already? why do you need UBI to start a business? go get some money are start one now

>>520219306 (OP)
Where does the money come from other than people who work for a living?

>>520219306 (OP)
>before: money to live
>after: what gender am I today

>>520219306 (OP)
You literally must have 0 understanding of humanity to believe this

Most people will take their ubi and use it to improve their lifestyle slightly while still working and doing whatever else

Then like a solid 30% of people who are natural pieces of shit will just blow their cash on hedonistic stuff and bullshit and continue being dregs of society

But this time dregs with a little more money to spend. The idea that most of the poor are their by accident or circumstances beyond their control is a fantasy

Most of the poor is poor because they do stupid shit and make bad decisions

>>520229884
nigga you cant even refuse paying for that propaganda bullshit you call public broadcasting without being thrown in the slammer for a year

>https://www.infranken.de/deutschland/gez-verweigerer-mann-53-sitzt-seit-monaten-im-gefaengnis-weil-er-rundfunkbeitrag-nicht-zahlt-art-5221946

lmao, like, pipe down nigga, shit

>>520220991
>With UBI... no longer would gains be privatized and losses socialized.
What kind of witchcraft is this UBI you speak of?

>>520230139
>How exactly is UBI supposed to work in a capitalist
It doesn't, the concept of UBI is based on the premise that mr kikestein will get his sacred AGI and make the goyim obsolete. UBI would never work with the goyim owning the means of production. UBI is forced communism, but in this case it will not be in your benefit, but to doom yourself and your future generations.

>>520230245
thanks for proving my point, Schluchtenscheißer
>you will work harder or we'll take everything from you
is a foundational feature of all the *isms.
capitalism and communism alike.

>>520220571
>basic necessities
>entertainment
Holy fucking shit ngmi

>>520230060
time to switch communities pimp

>>520219306 (OP)
The free ride is over, welfare nigger. No more food stamps, no section-8, no pell grants, no free school lunches, nothing. Certainly never going to get UBI. This is MAGA Country now.

>>520230479
I am after Christmas. I will probably have to change work places again in another year. the rate things are going here. I wish Disability pension here was just a bit more and I would fuck off to the country

>>520219586
because the "community" doesn't do shit for me. every out of touch boomer faggot employer around here pays slightly above minimum wage or employs illegals so why shouldn't i take advantage of what their tax dollars pay for

>>520219923
ITS FUNNY THAT NOBODYS TAKING THE BAIT

>>520219306 (OP)
Drugs should be in Orange.

My monthly living expenses are $1650
If I quit my job, I could move back in with my parents and sell my car, that'd bring my monthly living expenses down to around $500
Assuming the UBI is $1k a month, why the fuck wouldn't I just retire before 30?

>>520219306 (OP)
I've tried to research it and I don't think it can work. Instead of buying food and accommodation you give most of your money to government and then they provide those things to you. In the end someone has to work on those farms and construct the housing.

>>520220776
Probably use the excuse that we provide the electricity and internet that means we are allowed to set conditions.

>>520221995
I used to think it would be good and that it could replace the the dole but not having to go to those useless appointments and therefore save money overall. I think probably normies need some kind of work even if its useless in the end, I can't see it being good if most people just watch sports and play MTG all day, sure in theory people should create art, do charity, invent some world changing thing but who knows.

>>520230139
We can produce food far more efficiently and cheaply than we could in the 1970s. Even factoring in larger populations now, food is orders of magnitude cheaper now than it was then

This increasing productivity is what makes UBI = inflation a myth

We are on the cusp of a huge segment of the workforce being automated out of necessity, because the demand for products and services is saturated in near-zero growth first world economies

If you need 1000 developers to meet the demand for software work and you invent a process that makes each developer 30% more productive, that leaves 300 developers redundant unless the demand for their productivity also increases by 30%

This is how we simultaneously had an explosion in productivity during the industrial revolution alongside an enormous increase in poverty and precarity among people who were displaced by the automation of labour and artisan craftsmanship

Either the state steps in to redistribute some of the proceeds to the rest of the population or hungry people will overthrow your government and put one in that does

>>520230683
remember that you will be beholden to whomever is giving out this UBI. complain about something fucked going on, they cut off your UBI

>>520230683
>The NPC is confused and breaks down when confronted with the prospect of not working until he dies (he will not be able to claim social security anyway)

>>520230167
you eradicate all current forms of welfare, disability, social security, food stamps, section 8, usaid, medicaid, medicare, aca, grants, and so on down the chain of all welfare that currently exists right now

you destroy all that bureaucracy and ball it under a single program. the people who recieve it get cash and determine themselves what to spend it on, healthcare, food, housing, whatever is their priority

doing it this way doesn't increase current budget or taxes, it actually reduces them from trimming all the bureaucratic fat, were already paying for these things, or at least I know I pay taxes

>>520230972
they could just stop taking $2000+ of my pay every month and giving it to faggots

>>520230389
nah that's just because germans are retardedly in love with their precious pieces of paper and written laws

if its any ism that's controlling germany it's spiritual boomerism

reality

>>520219648
>Why do pulks qicick
I wish I knew, man... I wish I knew.

>>520219306 (OP)
you're wrong the right side is my brain

>>520219306 (OP)
Communism always makes big promises and never delivers. Tards never learn.

>>520219306 (OP)
Problem with UBI is that if they would be capable of taking it from you for any reason it's going to be used to enforce power. It would end up as total disaster.

>>520219306 (OP)
They'll just kill the peasants before giving them ubi.

>>520222678
kek

>>520231378
Being put in a starvation scenario because all aspects of production are privately owned and don't need your labour is the same thing, you just end up owned by individuals instead of the state

>>520232066
these cunts will never be happy. if they managed to get into power they would Stalin purge each other. too busy arguing over the definition of a women then to feed the people

>>520220991
>no longer would gains be privatized and losses socialized
This only happens in the first place because the government has too much control of the economy.

Drinking poison to cure a stomache.

>>520232132
Most of it is just knee-jerk reactions thanks to communism

I'm convinced that communism was a self evidently ridiculous psyop in order to badjacket any alternatives to or criticisms of capitalism

the key to the promised land is not needing money at all
but thatll never happen with jews alive

>>520219306 (OP)
The problem is that there is a bigger reality out there and just giving people a certain amount of money as "basic income" for one year isn't going to cover the "basic income" next year.
Because things change.
Things get more expensive and more difficult.
And that will be increasingly the case the more parasites there are.

>>520232460
I would imagine everyone would have to be dead for that to happen. human nature in our current state will never live in some utopia. someone will always decide to fuck someone else over for their own gain

>>520232617
>Things get more expensive and more difficult.
This doesn't actually make sense when you look at the numbers

>>520219306 (OP)
>>520219306 (OP)
I FIXED IT FOR YOU

>>520232779
who is running all the companies that provide, food, water, power etc? the government? who. who is setting the prices. who is stopping me putting up the price of water to $1,000 a month since everyone can afford it

>>520219586
Because currently the system only exists to benefit those exact wastes of space.
If the system existed to benefit good people like you and me, we would absolutely use our new free time thanks to basic income to better ourselves and help our communities.
If anything, it should be the opposite of what is is today, with the wastes of space scumbags being sent to work camps while good people like use get the benefits and don't have to work a menial job or a living.

>>520232929
years ago I was wondering why is the system setup that everyone works until they are old before they can retire. why didn't anyone try a system were you get a bunch of money at 16-20 and go and make something out of life. then I realised why that would never work, because you cannot trust people enough to do that

>>520232862
We're talking about UBI in the context of automation, where the jobs that previously existed are made redundant or massively reduced due to increased productivity or efficiency

This doesn't apply to natural resources like water which are limited, and in places where water is scarce (hot, dry countries) there is deliberate rationing outside of essential use

Or are you suggesting that if we make access to water free, everyone will drink so much water that they explode or die from hyponatremia?

>>520233090
yes so robots run the water plant. I am just assuming this fictional country has enough water for everyone. so what happens when the robots fuck up, or say I decide with all my free time I'm going to put LSD in the water supply. I know full well I am going to get locked up but I still do it anyway since the prisons are just adult day care. will there be total surveillance so I cannot even basically think about putting LSD in the water supply for fun

>>520233050
It's simple, we just need an AI overlord to sort out all the good from bad and create a perfect utopia for humans and machines to thrive in

>>520233234
So you're saying we should maximize wageslaving so insane people don't have enough free time to sabotage water supplies?

>>520233270
fuck off with your GAYI good retard. there are enough Gods already

>>520233300
not really I am just pointing out that humans create chaos. what extent are you willing to accept a total state of control over everything you do to allow you to shit on your arse all day like in that gay Wall-E movie

You could really tell a lot about a person simply by their stance on UBI
The distinction between good and evil, smart and stupid, has never been more clear.

>>520232929
So UBI will only go to "good people"? And I assume that's your/my definition of good and not the government's.

>>520233389
If we're talking about a nationalist state that is focused on improving and perpetuating my race, I am fine with that state being totalitarian because my goals and ideals are aligned with it

The only alternative in the long run is surrendering control of the economy to oligarchs and their fully automated industries, leaving the rest of us to starve or be used as sex slaves

>>520233532
It should be an advanced fully self aware AI overlord's definition
Humans are too fallible to be left in charge

>>520219306 (OP)
Wow, I didn't realize those were the only things that people think about. Clearly this isn't an oversimplification that fails to account for many other factors which impact human behavior.

>>520230222
>The idea that most of the poor are their by accident or circumstances beyond their control is a fantasy
>Most of the poor is poor because they do stupid shit and make bad decisions
This is a fantasy.
90% of poor people are born poor and 90% of rich people are born rich. Its definitely circumstances. Elon Musk isn't a mega genius he was just born rich and got lucky on a few gambles. This is how it is.

If you are born poor you don't have the family structure to teach you or awareness of the game you are supposed to be playing and if you do wise up it's usually really late into your life so it's an uphill battle.

If you are born rich you are taught from day 1 how to play the "game" and will realize the importance of some things sooner and have the resources to capitalize on opportunities.

Also AI and automation is gonna rape everyone who isn't the 1% anyways so we have to ensure our own future.

>>520222595
You can have a UBI and also people doing work for money.
You kind of need the latter.
We could reduce the workweek to 20hrs and still run fine.
People need
>house
>food
>clothing
How much labor is put towards non luxury food and clothing? Housing? Maybe 10% adding up the entire supply chain.
But it's

>>520233536
I just don't have enough hope in humanity. there is too much of a demonic influence. basically I think the balance is skewed toward evil in the grand scheme of everything that humans can perceive

>>520233720
basically you want a communist state that runs the basics. people who want extra money can either start their own business or go work for the state. you are aware that people will still get fat from corruption etc? it might work with enough robot slaves I guess

>>520230222
It's really just that people born poor are groomed into being poor and people born rich are groomed into being rich.

>>520233876
I'm not coming at this from liberal priors where everyone is a rational self interested individual in a social contract with other rational individuals to create a liberal state to protect property rights

Humans are innately tribalistic and define ourselves against the other, this is how you create a loyal, altruistic society

Liberalism breaks down the friend-enemy distinction which turns people into atomized opportunistic sociopaths

This is a bit of a departure from the OP but there are other ways of organizing society than liberal individualism, which is where most of these moral hazards come from

>>520219586
>billionare parasites good
>poor parasites bad
NPC hivemind

>>520234500
I'm just interested in how people think UBI will work. some people seem to just think magic money will appear. other's like you have plans/ideas. some might work, others might not. at least you have thought about it more than just money appears

>>520219306 (OP)
The idea people will spend their time helping others when they don't need to work to feed themselves is so laughable I don't trust anything else people that defend this unironically says

>>520219306 (OP)
I'm wealthy and successful and I'm not paying one dime for your bullshit.

>>520219306 (OP)
Useless eater is the default option that is the right all citizens have to live as. Anything else is inhumane.

>>520219648
why do ducks kvech?
uhh

>>520234615
Well I did offer one speculative example where a fully automated factory could be nationalized and then leased to businesses or entrepeneurs to make their products

The rent from the lease is then used to finance the state or returned to the population via UBI

You could also automate finance through DeFi, where financial instruments (credit, investment, buy/sell transactions, saving, etc) are trustless and the transaction fees from them are returned to the population as UBI in some form or another

We are at a point where, at least for high IQ populations, a post scarcity economy is visible on the horizon instead of being science fiction. This is where productivity and automation is so advanced that the amount of work needed to produce goods and services is trivial

If we don't have some way of distributing these goods and services outside of earning money through work, this will just lead to most of the population being excluded from the economy

Earlier in the thread I talked about this w/ regards to the industrial revolution
>>520226185
Because we were able to offset the loss of labour jobs and farming through creating the knowledge economy, our living standards are way higher now than they were in the 18th century. But we don't have the same option now as we did then so we need to look at alternatives

>>520235211
I don't think that far ahead when it comes to UBI because I don't believe it's happening while I'm alive. more likely some fucked up abomination version I don't want to live under anyway. so if I was asked to pick a side pro or anti AI. I am going with John Connor

>>520235349
I don't know how old you are but I know I'll be alive and well when either there's some kind of revolution in the Anglosphere or we get reduced to hated minorities through immigration

The feasibility of UBI is up in the air but that doesn't change the fact that capitalist oligarchs, their jeet slaves and boomer enabler pets are in a race to dispossess us before we realize what's happening and lock down our land and resources for us and our descendants

>>520219306 (OP)
It's never "universal" basic income. It's only universal for like the majority of the people. The other minority it becomes a universal basic tax where they are findommed by the other 70% of the population.

>>520219845
> The key to Ubi is that it's not enough to live on. The idea is to supplement your income, not be your income.
Explain how this is different from the government giving corporations free money.

>>520219306 (OP)
Based and UBI pilled

>>520235842
>the other 70% of the population
I'm 70% of the population

>>520219586
because they're fucking black

>>520219306 (OP)
But UBI does not and cannot provide enough "money to live".

>>520232282
No Communism was just Jews being as mask off as possible, only until Stalin came and out-kiked them all.

>>520220991
>>520223033
In a really barebones sense, it's a number game.
The amount of individuals with any stake or ownership in the economy edges closer and closer to zero.
Now it's proving difficult to even participate in the economy in a menial role because you're competing with ancient slave labor that costs pennies on the dollar and a multi-trillion dollar futuristic job-killing tech industry at the same time.
Human capital has reached peak efficiency and critical mass.

Where does all this leave everyone who is already sidelined or soon to be sidelined? If you can't own anything about the economy of your home, and you can't participate in the economy of your home - be it as a producer or even a consumer - then you are essentially a worthless, expendable commodity. You're an expense that does not produce value, a threat to efficiency, earnings, even the economy and nation itself. Our very existence a threat.

If the system doesn't change, corporations will eventually run out of other corporations to merge with and inefficiencies to cut. Then perhaps genocide will become profitable for freeing up resources. Something's gotta give.

>>520239189
Well put, and this is why we are going to see a rehashing of the late 19th and early 20th centuries as the economic conditions revert to that time

>>520238870
There wasn't a bunch of magical Jews hypnotizing peasants and wage workers to adopt Marxism, there was a genuine crisis for the working class which composed the large majority of the population and both fascism and communism were competing as resolutions to the systemic crisis of capitalism

All we did with upskilling and inventing the knowledge economy was delay this process until automation caught up with us

>>520232763
if thou shalt not kill goes out the window, so do peoples capacity to jew others without consequence

We already tried that during COVID. Do you know what happened

Mexicans bought muscle cars and sound systems and nice apartments

>>520239614
>There wasn't a bunch of magical Jews hypnotizing peasants and wage workers to adopt Marxism, there was a genuine crisis for the working class which composed the large majority of the population and both fascism and communism were competing as resolutions to the systemic crisis of capitalism

Got me anon. Good one.

>>520239789
The Soviet Union was just a psyop apparently

In spite of being massively outgunned, the fascists almost won that war too

Our odds are even better this time because communism was put into practice and failed catastrophically

>>520219306 (OP)
I welcome UBI with open arms. I want to play vidja all day. Fuck this gay earth

>>520229383
Oh and legalize prostitution so I can spend my UBI on whores and sometimes alcohol.

>>520219586
fpbp

>>520239614
It is uncanny how much of a parallel there is between the 1920s and the 2020s. Surely we're either heading towards democratic socialism or national socialism.

>>520242817
>Surely we're either heading towards democratic socialism or national socialism.
Democratic socialism doesn't work because democracy is inherently corruptible through special interests buying politicians, and the rotational nature of government means there's no long term stake of any administration in the society's future and no capacity for long term planning

Democracy is going to be the first thing to go, and the conflict will probably be between globalist capitalist oligarchy (basically what Curtis Yarvin and the Neoreactionaries argue for) and national socialism (in the literal sense of the words, not the NSDAP per se)

Finally, a UBI thread that blew up
Been years

>>520243171
It will likely happen in waves. Unless Trump pulls off some miracle and saves the American middle class (unlikely), Republicans will get slaughtered in the midterms and MAGA will be dead by 2028. The near future I see is one where woke New New Dealers and Groypers are fighting over which races deserve welfare.

>>520244199
I don't know if Fuentes himself is aware of it yet, but there's a very obvious coalition emerging under him of middle and lower class fighting aged men that have been disenfranchised, and they are remarkably racially diverse

In the medium to long term I see politics breaking down into class warfare where race is salient but connected to class, i.e. elite whites, Jews, H1B technocrat immigrants on the establishment side and non-elite whites, hispanics, some blacks on the other side

The vague white-ish nationalism Fuentes references but doesn't really elaborate on will eventually evolve into a group realism where whites are seen as the central American race but the other races are accepted insofar as they acknowledge whites are "captain of the ship" and should be defining culture and controlling the institutions

>>520244596
>there's a very obvious coalition emerging under him of middle and lower class fighting aged men that have been disenfranchised, and they are remarkably racially diverse
I've seen this before. A leader that speaks the truths his base wants to hear is a powerfully disarming thing, isn't it?

>>520222678
Accurate

>>520240995
We need to send all women to work and men collect UBI to spend it on their onlyfans subscriptions, prostitute encounters, etc.

>>520224960
Kek

>>520219615
Basically they get everything and everyone else gets nothing unless they join their cult and swear allegiance so they can rape your wife and give you the uggo replacement

I wish I lived in a different country because of how they treat European men

>>520219306 (OP)
UBI is just welfare.
>So you're still going to work, but
Yeah, sure. What kind of job will you get? What kind of important or useful job exists that you can only work 3 days a week? You haven't thought this through.

>>520244805
I can't think of any similar example to whats going on now, though it does remind me of something Kevin MacDonald wrote about how antisemitic movements functioned in multicultural environments, starting with Rome:

>This tendency toward within-group egalitarianism can also be seen in the conscious attempt to portray Hitler as an idealistic, ascetic hero who tirelessly pursued group interests rather than his own interests. This portrayal of Hitler had some basis in reality well before he came to power, and it later became a prominent feature of National Socialist propaganda.

>The appeal of a group strategy is likely to be increased by the belief that other members of the group, and especially the leaders, are personally ascetic. In a despotic situation, lower-status males are more likely to perceive themselves as exploited by upper-status males and as benefiting little from cooperation or altruism. Self-sacrifice and voluntary cooperation in such a situation are expected to be minimal because the benefits of such behavior are more likely to accrue to the despot while the costs are borne by the lower-status males. At the extreme, if the lower-status male is a slave, cooperation and self-sacrifice are expected to only occur as the result of coercion.

>The appeal of asceticism among leaders would be expected to increase dramatically in a situation where the group as a whole has relatively little genetic cohesiveness. I propose that because of the low degree of genetic relatedness within the society, cohesive and anti-individualistic Western group strategies tend to be characterized by leaders who accept asceticism, celibacy, or in general do not have relatively high reproductive success compared to the others in the movement.

Its remarkable that Fuentes stays away from women, as if he intuits this from his base

>>520219306 (OP)
You'll have to inject yourself with mrna shit to get your neetbux, so, no ty

>>520219648
Why do ducks quick

>>520219306 (OP)

>After Basic Income
>MASS STARVATION after government runs out of money and no one wants to fucking work, has communism been any different when it has been tried?

>>520249543
>2050
>Many years since this anon, among many others, has kys'd himself after not finding work
>The ruling class enjoys a lifestyle of luxury and leisure just like before, but now the robotic workforce giving them vastly more and better yachts, private jets and palaces, including robo-slaves
>Anon smiles in the afterlife:
>Heh, commies are seethin' right now

>>520234527
Can't I hate both?

>>520219306 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dAmroKyzGY

Captain John Smith (of Pocahontas fame) took control of the colony and scrapped the socialist model. Each colonist received his own parcel of land. Private property had come to the New World. “He who won’t work, won’t eat!” Smith told them, citing the Biblical admonition. Well they worked. And they ate. And the colony was saved.

Gods hate to be mocked right? Well to some money is like a God, its sacred to them, so how do you mock it, well i think its by sharing with others didnt jesus teach that. Thats possibly how to mock their God.

Too clownish for you? the only thing that stops the mocking mechanism currently is racism

You have to call their bluff theyre just threathening us but theyre not actually are going to wipe us because their A.I. shit is still infantile and if we sabotage that too it will be forever a retarded baby

Money is not infallible

They will sabotage the sharing activities by shoving poison in it maybe
So if you gift a bunch of soup to your neighbours the acolytes of money will poison that soup to create even more barriers just like the racism

Sounds too gommie for you?

They will sabotage the sharing activities by shoving poison in it maybe
So if you gift a bunch of soup to your neighbours the acolytes of money will potentially poison that soup to create even more barriers just like the racism

Sounds too gommie for you?

Theyre already making the captcha harder to solve

Maybe i just never felth the high of owning a good pack of money, that feel of power, induces great greed

Anyone has that feel? Maybe you felth it in crypto?

I guess the fun is in the game of accumulating money and they dont really care that it stomps on other people, they may even find that funny, so rolling in pantzer vehicle living in gates community with bodyguards and cams is just part of the fun?

No ? Yes? Maybe they do wanna share but dont want the world to blow up. But cmon they wont flood entire india or china or africa into their own house. Thats bluff

Honestly more and more it feels that no one has a clue whats going on anymore

Scary

>>520219306 (OP)
so people will get money even if they don't work? how is that sustainable?