Thread 520541378

Why are Ukrainians so bad at warfare?

If you wrote an army to act this way in a book/movie it would be criticized as a plot hole/bad writing

>>520541378 (OP)
>Why are Ukrainians so bad at warfare?
what are they supposed to do?
all they can do is try and hold the line and when they do that they get encircled eventually, if they retreat they give the enemy more ground.
do you have a better idea of what ukraine could do? what if you were in charge?

>>520541378 (OP)
their leadership is more concerned with PR ops to ensure more money comes in so they can steal it.

>>520541378 (OP)
By the look of it the russians pushed through the city itself to encircle a bunch of farmland. Not exactly a genius move either. Likely that lost them more dudes than they got to encircle.

>>520541378 (OP)
russia transports it's troops to the frontline by stripping them naked and connecting each one by their cock to the asshole of the one in front
russia strong

>>520541378 (OP)
Ukraine is led by thieving jewish gangsters.
Their soldiers are pressed, shoved in a van, given rudimentary training, and sent to the front.
No one is good at this kind of war yet. It's like how WW1 started as cavalry charges and ended with trenches and poison gas. Drone capabilities and tactics are rapidly evolving. This is nothing like your Call of Duty games or whatever.

>>520541378 (OP)
I'm sure they can land a few more helicopters and it (whatever it was) will work this time. We just need to send them more.

>>520541711
Surrender

In a broad sense the ukrainians are holding positions as long as they can and then they're falling back and letting the pocket close and then sending in drones as if they weren't already sending in drones constantly anyway. The Russians are just fixing themselves in position in sight for these drone attacks against them. That's why the Russians aren't plowing right on through everything.

>>520542340
Are you retarded? Like 95% of the country is farmlands around a city.

>>520541378 (OP)
I felt bad for the Ukrainians still trapped there until the footage came out today of them droning a civilian with a white flag (and his dog), then executing an old man (also a civilian) making the sign of the cross

So yeah, fuck em. Carpet bomb the whole pocket

>>520541378 (OP)
Show me one Slav nation that is good at warfare?

>>520541378 (OP)
Mah dude burisma,big israel and ukraine war are all the same thing.
https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/zelenskyy-wants-ukraine-to-be-a-big-israel-heres-a-road-map/
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12399-024-01013-6

>this is a picture from this year of the hasid moving into a war zone

>>520541378 (OP)
If they were so bad, how did they take over a chunk of kursk for almost a year? And why did it take papa trump to get them out? Why hasn’t there been any demilitarization in kiev? Second best army in the world and we’re going to year 4 and they need to sell their eastern resource area to china so they can keep affording the war? Russian sovereignty and independence until Putin needs chinese yuan more than he needs russian farmers LMAO.

>>520543320
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/eYhtHIjmkD0

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/DnaVH8F63Hw

Its all a farce putin and zelenki shook hands at the popes funeral.

>>520543482
Ukraine was is the most expensive war ever in total dollar expenditure in favour of ukraine but the ukraine is now 15 % smaller than it was 10 years ago ...

>>520543482
>If they were so bad, how did they take over a chunk of kursk for almost a year?
By overextending themselves, which is clear enough from the fact they were pushed out and then lost ground in Donbas on top of that.

>>520543602
Maybe people don’t understand the importance of the Eastern Resource are is to Russia. It was their biggest natural badge of honor. Representing the future of Russian expansion.

Not anymore tho.

>>520541378 (OP)
mirnohrad
gitler

>>520543784
They weren’t “pushed out”, they left Kursk after Trump shut down their systems so that he could begins his Putin asslicking segments.

>>520541711
What is the strategic meaning of myrnograd and pokrovsk, anyway? Do they have any, or are hohols ans vatniks just grinding it out because they have been at it for so long, and stopping now would make both parties look gay? Which they of course are anyway.

>>520543871
>They weren’t “pushed out”, they left
Yeah the Russians also left Kherson City rather than being "pushed out" but I've had dozens of people claim otherwise.

>>520543871
Were you living under a rock? They were soundly defeated from months of attrition, then a wild pipeline op that caught them in the rear and sent them all scurrying home. It was a clear cut defeat

>>520543963
>>520543976
Except that they weren’t chill there for almost a year unimpeded until Trump came in and fucked thins up. What the fuck are you talking about???

>>520541378 (OP)
they've been fighting against the 3rd strongest military in the world for almost 4 years I'd say they're doing bretty gud

>>520541378 (OP)
>>520543875
Ukraine is probably just trying to make it as costly as possible for Russia even if they lose in the long term while hoping for a miracle

>>520544040
>What the fuck are you talking about???
Reality, unlike the full tilt propagandistic bullshit you've been huffing.

>>520543963
>>520543976

>>520541378 (OP)
>Why are Ukrainians so bad at warfare?
They're not.
But they're outgunned/outmanned and they don't want to retreat for political reasons.
They're waging an unsustainable war because they're being paid to do so.

>>520541378 (OP)
They were trained by people whose biggest opponents were ass backwards islamists whose technological inventions were land mines and suicide bombers , turns out a Middle East excursion against goat fuckers stuck in the 8th centruy is a wee bit different then normal combined arms warfare versus a European country

>>520543204
You do realize that those drones were russian? russians do this shit all the time. They film a war crime, then claim it was Ukrainian.

>>520541711
Their president could have ended this months ago but he is not done embezzling money yet.

>>520541378 (OP)
I believe NATO just doesn't have what it takes to defeat Russia, but they had to try to find out. Russia is like fucking Rocky Balboa, the more you punch him, the stronger it gets, the worse the odds the more he focuses on crushing you.

Russia is taking the big L again.
Russia wins: battlefield (1)
Ukraine wins: Reddit, /uhg/, Discord, Kyiv Independent, etc, etc (hundreds)

>>520543789
4,225,066,880-4,000,000=4,221,055,880

big numbers only scare retards like you who don't understand the scale of the world because they have never left the city they fell out of their mums arse in.

a standard house yard is a Quarter acre so 1011m2
loosing a ten thousanth of that would be like losing 1cm (.4 of an inch)
You wouldn't even notice it gone in the grand scheme of things.

>>520542967
>>520544371
surrender is not an option.
>>520543875
>What is the strategic meaning of myrnograd and pokrovsk, anyway?
Ukraine wants its eastern regions back. if they give up land they wont achieve this. the strategic meaning is that from here Ukraine can launch back into Bakhmut/Artemovsk and recapture more of their land.

>>520544188
>some Ukrainian officials believe
Skill issue.

>>520544371
He could have ended it in 2022 but he's a jew

>>520544371
Bingo this guy get it.
bet my other left nut the war ends with a return to status quo.

>>520544605
how many left nuts do you have, freak?

>>520541711
Bro I get what you’re saying but Porkroast has been getting encircled for months, they had plenty of time to pull out, retreat, and regroup, if fucking wartubers are warning about an encirclement for months, “elite NATO trained 4d chess Ukrainian commanders” should be able to avoid what was obviously coming. The Ukranian high command has made costly blunder after blunder, Bakhmut, the failed counter oinkfensive, fucking KURSK. It’s been the same tactic for a year now, the Russians find an opening, try to circle Ukrainian defenses, and instead of pulling back and doing a layered offense, Ukrainian high command waits until they are fully encircled and then rushes more units into the meat grinder to try to save them. Bakhmut, Avdiivka, Maruipol, at some point either high command is incompetent or NATO is intentionally advising them to cram guys into the woodcutter to kill as many Russians as possible regardless of the consequences. Historically, Russia has always struggled at the beginnings of conflict, but then finds a groove and how Russia is fighting is straight from the Soviet playbook with some more modern toys. They use FAB bombs from the air and fuck up Ukrainian defenses, send recon guys in as feelers, then comes artillery, tanks, and drones. Find the next position, and do the exact same thing. Russia has also been doing some very rude tactics like using their mine laying artillery to lay mines all over Ukrainian positions to keep them in place for the FAB bombs. The war has devolved into the exact tactics Russia EXCELS at. Ukrainians beg for aid, first it was the leopards, then F-16 and Gripens, then patriots and Tomahawks, but it all comes too little too late. This war is the definition of a combined arms war and you need all of your pieces working simultaneously, and Ukraine is clearly struggling with that. They will unironically call an area secured when it’s a handful of guys sitting in a trench just waiting to be shelled.

>>520544457
Do you have any idea what is Russia’s eastern resource area??? Like any clue at all????

>>520544730
tldr you from urgay

>>520544272
Was Vietnam paid to fight an “unsustainable war” against the US too?

>>520544821
2,684,396 square miles
or
1,718,013,440 acres.

Maybe you should learn more about what you are talking about.

retards like you think 1 million dollars is alot because you can't fathom what billions are.

>>520541378 (OP)
What exactly is stopping ukies from taking back the positions they lose shortly after, before russians are able to set up defenses and fortify? They never seem to bother after they retreat from them. Also, why don't they ever use the same encircling tactic against russians? Pokrovsk is now surrounded by ukies, so why don't they storm it and clear it out from russians?

>>520541378 (OP)
>He doesnt know about Plan Z.

>>520544821
start your learning here kiddo.
http://en.kremlin.ru/catalog/glossary/16

>>520545044
It literally does’t matter how many acres they have now, they’ll have more next year, and more the next. All chinese run farms with chinese run supply line with chinese run economy.

Stop copin, face reality.

>>520545187
>Stop copin
Ditto retard,I live on a farm bigger than 1.5million acres it isnt the giant patch what you think it is city boy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenormiston_Station

>>520544479
>surrender is not an option.
why not. the fuck does it matter whether these shitbag corrupt dirty slavics are ruled from moscow or kiev. their country is dogshit no matter what anyway. Or is it the santicty of speaking a slightly different variation of a mongrel slav tongue that justified fuckin wiping out ur country.

>>520545442
>i-its not that big!
Yeah well when Chang owns a mining company destroying your farmland and the government shuts down your protests because Chang needs their metals then you let me know about how big your farm is, faggot.

>>520545484
They all spoke Russian before the kike made it illegal.

>>520542340
god you're unfathomably stupdit

>>520541378 (OP)
Would this make more sense if the country was led by a kike who wanted to kill all the goys in his country and blame it on someone else.

>>520545535
i live near at least 20 mines...
Once again you don't understand scale, there could be 3000 open pit mines in my area and it would still total an insignificant total amount of land.

>>520545732
circled in red is the largest open cut mine on earth it is insignificant to the landscape.

>>520545559
sick of pretending like anyone should give a fuck about the sovereignty of some dogshit corrupt shitbag scummy country that never has and never will make any mark on history at all. its not germany, italy, france, fuck its not even georgia or armenia (both unique countries). they are just some dirty shitty off brand russians. why the fuck does anyone give a flying fuck where they are goverened from

>>520545929
These shitbags were with the Pasha surrounding Vienna until the Hussars broke the siege i think its crazy to think they were ever our allies.

>>520544387
Russia is scavenging outdated rusty WW2 tanks for combat use. Ukraine just has to not lose long enough and Russia will eventually run out of money, men, and/or supplies. They have no allies that are worth anything. China will only give them any significant amount of aid in return for Russian territory in the east, which defeats the purpose of them expanding west.

>>520546029
Hell even the ruskies are sick of the war. The soldiers are deserting and killing eachother for supplies, and the citizens are getting rationed gasoline. It's funny to watch.

>>520545885
One of the MANY MANY landslides caused by reckless mining.

>>520543007
>currently over 10,000 surviving ukrainians encircled
>”actually this was intentional”
gigacope

>>520546179
China did the dodgey and no humans died whats the issue?
just another tuesday

>>520543482
>how did they take over a chunk of kursk
It was a tiny tiny chunk and it cost them 50,000 men. I believe Russia allowed that to simmer in order to bring the war home. All in all it was a gift to Russia from a legal perspective.

Holy kek, that migger nafoid is /k/oping and seething hard

>>520541378 (OP)
Theyve had 8 months to get people out of this salient. Its mostly empty.

>>520541378 (OP)
>Why are Ukrainians so bad at warfare?
Just look at the price of Bitcoin. Ukraine's smartest knew they could never defeat Russia and stole aid package money from far, far away. Possibly Russia. The smartest Ukrainian oligarchs moved to Russia and laundered from there.

Now Trump can do nothing but attack Venezuela to save face.

>>520546029
I'm pretty sure they're also manufacturing new tanks

>>520546006
redpill me

>>520541711
Should have gone full assymetrical warfare from the start instead of going to Russia's preferred mode of war.

>>520546269
They’re doing it in Africa and they’re gonna do it in Russia. That’s literally the whole point. “Sovereign” Russia is gonna have Chang destroying his backyard for the next 99 years when the lease is up lmao.

>>520541711
Surrender, tactically speaking nothing can be done. Wasting the life of your soldiers out of your own pride is beyond incompetence.

>>520546276
Lmao, and then being in Kursk for almost a year was what? 4D chess? Putin disappears and that shit doesn’t get resolved until daddy trump came along? Second best military?

>>520543482
The answer is always unlimited funds and weapons from NATO on top pf their brutal jewish commisars

>>520543871
They pulled out, yeah, that's why they ran away like headless chickens and left behind 20k to be eaten by the wolves

>>520547239
So basially the Ukrainian army has no official foreign support outside of funds and equipment vs Russia practically having Chinese mercs and North Korean soldiers on demand??? Lmao.

>>520547312
Well if Trump hadn’t pulled the plug, we could’ve seen a whole year. Multiple incursions into Kursk and the only one that worked was the one where they were blind lmao.

>>520544272
>outgunned/outmanned
Not at all, in fact, they have outmanned the Russians for most of the war

>>520541378 (OP)
>nearing year four of the SMO
>Russians celebrating the possibility of their second encirclement ever

There is no point of surrendering to Russia.

>>520547337
Russia just has Churkas and soviet stuff they had to get rid of anyways, just like all the warsaw pact boys.
Some Chinamen and NKs are the equivalent (maaaaaaaaybe) to all the NATO officers assisting Ukraine, so it's all even

>>520547587
>le NATO officers
On top of the Chinese and NK officers Russia already gets, right? Lmao.

>>520547513
Ask the guy getting kidnapped from the streets and being sent to the meat grinder

>>520541378 (OP)
>Why are Ukrainians so bad at warfare?
All by design.....

>>520547462
If reality was in your favor you wouldn't need to spam this board with propaganda 24/7. At this point your mental decline is so noticeable and disturbing that you ought to receive some form of psychological counseling.

>>520547636
Why would Russia need officers, they have their own, it's the Ukranians that need to man NATO tacticool gears that need the operators and such

>>520541711
>what if you were in charge?
Oh, well if I was in charge I'd start a coup against the kike of kiev and try my best to end the slaughter of my fellow Ukrainians.

>>520547679
What does that have to do with what I said?

>>520541378 (OP)
NATO betrayed them by not giving the 400 billion they need and 500 F-16.

>>520547650
Thats what a draft looks like, people dodge it

>>520547731
Hey, retard, they need officers because of either equipment expertise or you need the commanders of the fucking platoons you’re gonna be sending out into the field ffs.

>>520547895
so the sovereignty of the "country ukraine" matters but peoples personal sovereignty doesnt matter. the fuck.

>>520547895
it's literally a commie regime that shoots people trying to cross the border

>year 3 of the 3 day special operation against a vastly inferior numerically and technological country
>why are they so bad

>>520547898
You need to learn to read, lil bruh fr fr ong

>>520547951
>l-le kidnapping!
Who gives a shit? There’s videos of this shit from russia happening all the time. I’m guessing the programming of your selective memory forgot about that.

>>520548012
Retard, they get Chinese weapons and equipment that requires Chinese experts to train the Russians on using. They also need NK officers to help organize the thousands and thousands of gooks with the russians. Are you retarded?

>>520544371
"Z anon said...."
Shut the fuck up with your qtard pizza gate bullshit

>>520547951
>>520547985
You are confused. Many Russians ran to Georgia when they dipped toes into mobilization. Its a normal human reaction to not want to go to war and die. This goes to my original point. If there was a reason to surrender they could take it but there isn't.

>>520544075
>they've been fighting against the 3rd strongest military in the world for almost 4 years [completely unaided] I'd say they're doing bretty gud

>>520548148
Yeah, Russians were free to go because Russia isn't holding its own people hostage. Most of them already returned from Georgia.
Ask the average ukrainian male if he wants to give up land or get drafted and die. Oh wait they don't ask them because king Zelenskiy canceled the elections.

>>520548026
my taxes arent being sent to russia. russia is a shithole as is ukraine. i want nothing to do with such subhuman dogshit people, yes. they are the fucken same. i dont give a fuck about the slight difference in pronounciation of their mongrel shit slavic language

>>520548261
Haha you admitted its normal to hide from the draft. You are too pussy minded for supremacy or sovereignty.

why are there so many pro-ukraine americans on here? /k/ leftovers?

>>520548453
shit, subhuman, crap people. if this happened in georgia, croatia, serbia, any country besides ukraine/russia there would be revolts. slave people, life is cheap. mongrels.

>>520548429
Nothing stops you from going to Ukraine and fighting the evil Russians. They take foreign mercenaries.

>>520548340
>muh taxes
Were you happy with the sky high gas prices that Putin started at the beginning of the war? Because that was literally what was gonna happen for 4 years straight, retard.

>>520544366
Both sides do it. Nobody cares.

So help me god if I ever have the power I will hunt down and torture every zigger in the thread to death. Western countries need to make supporting Russia a capital offense.

>>520548483
Jews.

>>520548576
>Putin signing a decree setting american gas prices to unprecedented levels, colourized

>>520548483
Why is that odd to you? 90% of Americans are pro-Ukraine.

>>520548453
Those tractors would get bombed if it was the front line

>>520541378 (OP)
It's just hyper advanced NATO tactics mate, they're waiting for air support to arrive. 2 more weeks and porkroast will be unblocked.

>>520548560
Weak sauce. There is no point for Ukraine to surrender.

>>520548665
>Retard doesn’t know how the oil market works like supply/demand imbalances causing chain reactions

Sad thing about shills. You’re all retards.

>>520548674
>>why are there so many pro-ukraine americans on here?
>on here?

>>520548483
I simply enjoy Ukraine embarrassing Russia. As long as the USA gets money out of selling weapons, I don't really care what happens at the end of the day.

>>520548589
>So help me god if I ever have the power I will hunt down and torture every zigger in the thread to death. Western countries need to make supporting Russia a capital offense.

>>520547337
>the Ukrainian army has no official foreign support outside of funds and equipment
400 BILLION DOLLARS until now.

>>520548760
So… funds like I already stated and you already quoted, anon?

>>520548740
Yeah. Since most Americans are pro-Ukraine it'd stand to reason that anywhere where there are Americans there are pro-Ukrainian Americans.

>>520548732
you are one of the people who unironically believed putin bombed the nordstream pipeline when it happened

>>520548745
>losing 1/3rd of their population via emigration
>lost a million young men
>young ukrainian men so afraid of the dying they're avoiding the draft and escaping the country with the help of their mothers
>oh they're humiliating russia!! they are!!
my fellow countrymen are a bunch of retards :/

>>520548849
>muh NORDSTREAM
Your talking points are so basic, do you have anything other than vatnigger telegram talking points?

Sure is a lot of posts about not pokrovsk

>>520548872
But enough about russia lmao

>>520548930
;)

>>520548714
So how is not surrendering working out for them so far?
They continue to lose land, AND people are dying.
What's the point of fighting if they can't stop losing land, and it will be the same conclusion with more deaths?

>>520548802
Yeah but you're saying it like it's no big deal. US spent $3 trillion in 20 years. Ukraine received $0.4 trillion in 3 years. You do the math (if you can).

>>520541711
Surrender but kill all the jews in power first

>>520541711
>Hold the line
>Build fallback lines
>Dig trenches
>Tank traps
>Orderly retreat to secondary lines
>Mine area before giving up positions
>repeat

There's no shame in ceding ground in order to preserve manpower.
Too bad Ukies are fucking retarded and value land more than their own people.

>>520549086
*$2 trillion in 20 years

>>520544040
Typical tranny and needing to blame zion don for his botched axe wound in his underpants hpapn

>>520541378 (OP)
Hohols, being slaves, are forced to fight by globohomo(aka mutts, jews, germs and anglokikes), but they vote with their legs though. Here are numbers of deserters. Orange - desertions with weapons, red - desertion without.

>>520549043
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2023/08/23/russians-have-emigrated-in-huge-numbers-since-the-war-in-ukraine

https://www.bushcenter.org/catalyst/the-great-gray-wave/the-great-russian-brain-drain

https://mixedmigration.org/uncertain-horizons-russians-in-exile/

Ok?

>>520541378 (OP)
It's not even true but okay. Russians have been saying this for weeks. They'll eventually get that region but not today.

>>520548576
putting "muh" before something doesn't invalidate it you fuckin retard. fuck ukraine, fuck russia. that's MY money

>>520549086
And Russia doesn’t get funds from their “allies?? What’s your point??

>>520541711
Defense in depth

>>520549196
As we can see Avdeevka buck broke the hohol slaves, after this they never recoreved.

>>520549250
You’re just retarded and nobody cares about your brain dead opinions.

>>520549053
Its simple you are not Ukrainian. Why would it make sense to you?

>>520547080
The goal is total hohol death anon. It's not their own soldiers, it's their intended victims.

>>520541378 (OP)
Ukraine is run by TV people who couldn't even make it in Hollywood. Ukraine literally means "borderlands". Prior to modern times the region was just the space between Poland and Russia that nobody wanted. You're talking a collection of idiots who think the master race is a collection of ethnic groups that couldn't cut the mustard in any country and were pushed into the borderlands. These people are led by the incompetent foreign policy morons who get kicked out of making the decisions about important regions, the Neocon crazies who were kept in the "basement" (south america) in Bush Sr.'s day. Ukraine poses an existential threat to Russia and even then Russia doesn't bother taking those idiots seriously.

>>520549330
Oh, so the Ukrainians are willing to sacrifice themselves?
Lol no, Zelenskike has to kidnap them from the streets. No one is volunteering anymore. The Ukrainians don't want to continue the war.

>>520549112
Lul
The elites dont want you to know this but the hohols at the park are free
You can take them to the frontline
I have mogilized over 1 milion hohols already

>>520549043
Noooooo you can't get away we want to kill you too.

>>520541711
They should fight to the last Ukranian, of course.

>>520549429
I'm drunk on cheap American corn alcohol falsely advertised as "vodka", but I probably would have chuckled even if I was sober. I probably wouldn't have sprayed "vodka" out my nose, which fucking hurt.

>>520549226
>george w bush institute
oh wow an actual boomer lmao
you retards probably fell for the
>putin will die from cancer in 3 years
narrative lmao
>https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/putin-sick-health-ukraine-russia-war-b2090110.html
also based putin for killing off his countries ethnic minorities!!
sure that'll hurt demographics, but worth it if it means less shitskins!!

>>520547337
>>520548802
>>520549253
from
>no official foreign support, ukraine does it all alone!!
to
>b-but russia gets it too, so what!
in only 3 posts. must be pretty mentally draining to shill for the jews
>inb4 "b-but putin is a jew too!"

>>520544479
>surrender is not an option
TO THE LAST OINKRAINIAN!!!

>>520541378 (OP)
How long before this shitshow is over? I'm tired of paying double/triple for everything. There's apparently even a fuel shortage now, they stopped all exports.

>>520541378 (OP)
>Why are Ukrainians so bad at warfare?
They spent every election cycle since the collapse of the soviet union reducing defense spending, letting arms dealers sell off their existing arsenal to shitholes like liberia, and playing games of brinkmanship against russia
>>520541711
>what are they supposed to do?
Don't spend forty years tearing your own military to shreds and thumbing it to your large belligerent neighbor and flirting with the one explicit war condition that they've threatened you with for decades

>>520549412
See you in the next pokrovsk blog

>>520549566
>outside of funds and equipment
There was no goalpost movement, you literally missed the first goal, anon LMAOOOOO.

>>520549542
>MUH SOURCES
funny the russian shill using western sources to prove his point while using “le western journalists bad” to try to disprove my point.

Are you retarded??? Tell you what, what non state russian media sources YOU have??

>>520549112
But had they made sensible decisions like that then they would already be defending on the west side of the Dnieper river.

captcha: NWO VA

>>520549625
>Don't spend forty years tearing your own military to shreds and thumbing it to your large belligerent neighbor and flirting with the one explicit war condition that they've threatened you with for decades
Your suggestion is tantamount to genocide. Come up with something they could do while still being Ukrainian.

>>520549695
>Come up with something they could do while still being Ukrainian.
Lose the war like fuckheads

>>520549718
Ukraine's masters have accepted that bargain.

>>520549718
BTW can you find that WillyOAM fucker and glass him for not having actually read On War in spite of misquoting it constantly?

>>520541711
Normally you retreat when the position is untenable and your flanks are unsecured because you're risking the entire contingent and battle ready soldiers are worth more than land. But Ukraine's overall strategy doesn't make any sense so Syrsky's hands are tied. They're just hoping a victory will fall in their laps by dragging it out as long as possible and sacrificing their male population in the meantime.
>>520544040
>>520543871
So we're just making shit up now? They literally fucking routed. Why would they retreat if they held that ground so decisively?

>>520549680
it's just funny watching you seethe and crash out in real time lmao
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/02/24/2-years-into-ukraine-war-russias-ethnic-minorities-disproportionately-killed-in-battle-a84170
russia winning
ukraine losing ;)
but to the last ukrainian, right boomer???

>>520544479
>surrender is not an option.
good

>>520549829
>random ass irrelevant article
Lmao, ok, here’s another random ass article, retard.

>>520549290
you;re advocating for stealing OUR money and shipping it off to some fuckin god forsaken shithole. Ukrainians are the biggest fuckin faggots ever. Know what they all do here? advertise themselves "from ukraine, please hire me". i shit u not i havent even seen a fuckin palestinian do that shit. Whiney fucking retarded shithole quasi jew people. wipe it off the face of the earth. your mother is a whore as well.
imagine being such collectively retarded people that u get psyopped into voting for an actor who played a president on a tv show. absolute slobbering retard subhumans.

>>520549821
Googled the name, do what I do with afghan veterans just troll him about all his mates killing themselves out of shame for losing a war to sheep stealing rock chuckers and he'll probably sort himself out.

>>520549827
>So we're just making shit up now? They literally fucking routed. Why would they retreat if they held that ground so decisively?

Uh, Trump pulled the plug on the whole operation? Ukraine was blind, without satellite optics or any US intel they had to leave lmao.

like always ukraine slaughtered tens of thousands of russians then retreated to another defensive position where they will then kill tens of thousands of more russians and so and so forth. russia already lost, but it is now guaranteeing they will never recover

>>520549974
ahh, you're a shitskin. makes sense. you're gonna hang from a tree, browncel faggot

>>520549974
Are you from india?

>>520550035
War doesn't work like that you fucking retard.

>>520549934
that's what i thought lol
but whatever helps you sleep at night boomer :p
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/russias-ethnic-minorities-disproportionately-conscripted-to-fight-the-war-in-ukraine
>soldiers from Siberia and Russia's far east, which is home to many ethnic minorities, the price has been overwhelming
>Thirty-year-old Alex, who ask we hide his identify, is from the Republic of Sakha, an area the size of India, many of whose one million residents are ethnically Turkic
>Vladimir Putin's war machine considers ethnic minorities with less education and fewer resources cannon fodder
for russia and putin, it's to the last turk
for the west and europe, it's to the last ukrainian ;)

>>520549874
Serbs need to stop bullying NATO. It's not our fault, our governments are run by another polity and not being retarded would be against their interests. Please just feel sorry for us, we're not worth laughing at right now. Also ffs stop trying to become NATO cucks yourselves, you basically beat NATO in the 90s, they threw everything they could at Serbia and Serbia stood tall at the end.
>>520550013
He's apparently got a massive brain tumor, its just frustrating that one of the best daily update people about the Ukraine war is a yob who wants to be a wanker without putting in the effort to actually read the books he quotes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fWFbhBNWBw

>>520550069
pure white canadian pal, the sanctity of a piece of brick i once touched is more important than the entire population of ukraine and russia combined.

>>520549695
>Ukrainians looking toward Belarus and Georgia and thinking "I'm so glad I'm not one of those countries right now"

>>520547402
We've been hearing that Russia is going to run out of missiles/ammo/vehicles/soldiers/money/raw materials/drones since a couple months after the war started. Is anyone really believing this anymore? By now, even the most braindead NPC should've realized that propaganda and observable reality don't line up at all, and that maybe both of these historically, famously corrupt nations are lying out of their asses about everything.

>>520544605
Brah, you are fucktarded. The minor goals include embezzlement, trying to force Europe into buying American energy and making countries increase NATO spending (for the upcoming global conflict). The major goal is the depopulation of The Ukraine, followed by its rebirth as a jewish state in Europe. Israel 2.0

>>520543482
>If they were so bad, how did they take over a chunk of kursk for almost a year?

capturing some empty fields in Kursk and getting killed there in huge numbers was a terrible idea

>>520548745
>I simply enjoy Ukraine embarrassing Russia

they aren't, they are catastrophically losing the war as shown here on the map

>>520550197
Has anyone else noticed that this bot has been spamming the thread and hasn't gotten any replies? No human has that kind of energy, no matter how autistic human will eventually give up.
>>520550336
lmao yeah. Georgians even managed to fucking murder Russians but got away with it by not being tards. Ukrainians have to be genetically defective. I'm glad Russia's strategy for the war is applying Darwinian pressure against Ukrainian nationalism, it's clear that anyone who seriously believes in the idea of a Ukrainian nation is unfit to breed.

>>520541378 (OP)
I'll tell you why. Its in there psych. Specifically the Western Ukrainians that have a strong sense of self entitlement. This ethnicity does not like doing the heavy lifting of things and prefer to use there cunning to get what they want. When actually challenged the become craven unless there in a group of people against one or less man. They are Untermensch and should not exist.

>>520550016
Ukraine got fucking culled and curbstomped into tiny meaty bits you poor optimistic nigger. The data stream was never severed in reality, the pidorikrainian command just knew they were neck deep in shit and needed an official apology for the retreat

>>520550493
You responded...

>>520550493
>Georgians even managed to fucking murder Russians
The day of the tie

>>520550649
>Ukraine got fucking culled and curbstomped into tiny meaty bits you poor optimistic nigger.
Nah, you guys went on a six month long counteroffensive that just resulted in Russians dying in the same fields over and over again. Completely pointless because at the end of the day it was just logistics that forced the withdrawal.

>>520550754
>a squad of pipeline climbers was enough to make the whole unscathed Ukrainian strike force run
Uhhhh fr fr?

>>520550801
No, it was months and months of strikes on logistics that did the trick. Meanwhile Russians and Koreans were dying by the boatloads in their pointless counteroffensive.

>>520548589
What are you some hohol from the prairies who's grandparents fled that shit hole? Who now wants the Western world to pay and pay and pay for your hubris? Donetsk, Luhansk etc want to be Russian, we should let them. The real cocksuckers (mostly jewish) set this up with their regime change colour revolution during Maidan. Slava Pepperoni!

>>520550649
Man, that's savage even by fed standards. You really think so?
>>520550659
Oh hey, I wonder if the bot script has a function that calls a LLM or a jeet for this part. Probably a jeet, they're cheaper.
>>520550700
Russia won that war in every way that actually matters. Georgia still existing as a supposedly independent country is mostly just because Putin and the rest of the Kremlin having undue respect for UN retardation. At the time every military enthusiast in the west watched the war and said "this is how a modern war is fought".

>>520550870
>Meanwhile Russians and Koreans were dying by the boatloads in their pointless counteroffensive
Post exact Russian and Ukrainian numbers. Be concise

>>520550896
Your tax dollars at work...

>>520542967
Never! Slava Urine!
>>520544479
ah, another hohol patriot abroad

>>520550917
>Post exact Russian and Ukrainian numbers.
How would anyone know the exact numbers? What's certain though is that a ton of Russians died there with hundreds of tanks and armored vehicles lost.

Dead Gentiles make her moist....

>>520551107
haha long hair dont care

>>520551007
This morning I found a rat with its head nearly cut off by a trap in my garage. Your life is worth less than that rat, provided you're a living spambot instead of a LLM. A machine at least has scrap value, you... well... you already know deep down don't you?
>>520551007
The ai image generation I'm pretty sure is pulling largely from a laundromat I saw in a porno where a dyed redhead with big tits got fucked. The text is probably jeet generated, AIs are more articulate.

>>520551180
>i saw it in a dream!

>>520551107
Pigger Karen kek

>>520551305
>so mad he quoted anon twice
You won't do shit NAFOcuck. Don't be a sore loser.

>>520550411
Isn’t that Russian’s entire strategy the whole war?

>>520550659
pretty sure the guy recording just shot that guy in the head

>>520551372
That bot is probably running on the same server as the NAFO bots. I'm only on /pol/ because I got chased out of /k/ by NAFO, so you have no idea how much I hate NAFO. For me it's personal.

>>520551313
https://ukr.warspotting.net/map/
You can check it out for yourself.

>>520551305
>The ai image generation I'm pretty sure is pulling largely from a laundromat I saw in a porno where a dyed redhead with big tits got fucked.

Yes goys only look at the photo-shop picture included to make a point, nevermind about billions of your tax dollars being stolen via Ukraine.

>>520551348
>Pigger Karen kek

Yeah this is the best halloween costume yet
https://x.com/InternetH0F/status/1984953770686443817

>>520541711
negotiate for peace lol

>>520551705
Just a few years ago this would have been a shadman comic.

>>520541711
They should have put 2 million under weapon and deploy them on the front line to force an outcome. Read Clausewitz. Prolonging war is only a viable strategy if you can hope for time to work in your favour which regardless of the copium in case of the Ukraine clearly is not.

>>520543482

"a chunk of Kursk" meaning 3% of the Kursk Oblast, not the the city to be clear.
Which can also be stated as capturing a staggering .006% of Russia's territory. Briefly.

>>520544122
>getting encircled is part of the plan
you are just stupid as fuck

>>520551180
>maaaaany ruzzianz died!
>I can’t post any numbers doe
Pathetic. Guess why Ukrainian army suffers so much Donbas defeats now

>>520551507
>I got chased out of /k/ by NAFO
I left well before that, /k/'s was full of faggots for years before this war started. They especially loved simping for niggers.

This war is retarded russia is the one that sucks at war
They are supossed to have a giant arsenal why is it taking them all these years to kill people

>>520550576
>>520550659
Isn't it ironic that both videos were filmed at Mosfilm Studios?

>>520547102
okay but what operational benefits did the kursk adventure bring them? did it win the war for them? where are those soldiers now?

Year 11 of the 48 hour ATO going swimmingly, the Donbass rebels will soon be culled

>>520541711
You do defense in depth instead of to the last holol.

>>520552160
I'm not sure how that video is related to my remark, but just in case:
both jew and palis are sandniggers
russians are snowniggers

>>520541378 (OP)
I wouldn't say they are bad at warfare, they are holding out against a superior enemy for a surprisingly long time.
They just, for whatever reason, decided to pick a fight they had exactly zero chance of winning. And instead of surrendering, they decide to go for collective suicide.

>>520548745
you're not getting that money, it goes straight into the pockets of jews. what do you think you're getting out of it?

>>520549330
you have to go back mykola, they need you in the trenches

>>520541378 (OP)

There's no way they'd beat that. The numbers and firepower there have taken it in a few weeks and swallowed it whole. That was heavily defended at one point, fortress cities, with tunnels and a bunch of defenses.

Ukraine at this attritional point is down to what? They haven't had the munitions, none developed internally that aren't being dismantled, and they weren't there until much later. They hadn't had much training prior to warfare, and certainly weren't under national service and census prior. Now they're down to fresh stock barely trained. Any program was Russian and used to Russian equipment. They weren't developing drones or had much of any air defenses or airpower except Russian, or missile forces prior, or tanks, or artillery forces. All were Russian and limited.

What was that strategy. Attrition, outlast politically and economically if it still gains potential standing and containment.

Yes they were bad at war. Counter offensive have been awful wastes. Kursk delayed it here, momentarily. But was a bad attempt.

When in history does this win? Explain it. It really doesn't almost 9 times out 10 without somebody else physically bailing it out.

So it was simply supposed to create the run off? Until?

>>520552809
WTF is Vanya doing in Australia?

Because zelensky put incompetent Syrski in charge

>>520541711
Surrender.

>>520541711
They should give up, let their population be recycled by their brother nation's war with Baltics and Poland, and have Zelensky delivered to the Kremlin in a package so he can be publicly executed

>>520548340
I think its a good tax investment and the ukies are slaughtering tons of Russians.

Russians that we'd have to kill eventually when they invade somewhere important enough we cant tuck our tail between our legs.

for the drop in the bucket the funding they receive is compared to our regular expenditures its a good value considering the cost a real war would run, especially if we can grind this out long enough that Putin gets over his weird delusions.

Unfortunately we live in a global world and as much as authoritarian dictators would love us to just ignore everything while they fuck us over, not playing the game only makes us lose.

>>520553074
Surprisingly sober and modest take

No one posted the mousetrap guy. I'm disappointed

>>520550870
man germans are stupid as shit. no wonder you cunts ended up under the russian boot for 55 years

>>520544075
They aren't. Almost 2 million are dead and that's with russia doing everything it can to avoid civilian casualties.

Such a redicolus amount of weapons from eu and usa got destroyed there and so much money sent to ukraine whole europe is collapsing.

Anyone normal would surrender would surrender by now, but obviously a jewish rat will not.

>>520552877

Batches of equipment and ammo rolling in at intervals, being seiged? What could go wrong?

At least it made a war of it? I guess they'll still get bailed out politically with some kind of truce. You've got to ask what's left of it at that point.

Prior they get a few more missiles to cause more splash economics. Inflation, taxation, and maybe a tabloid saying they hit something

>>520541378 (OP)
What's so "Special" about this "Military Operation" anyway?

>>520552316
You mean outside of making Russia looking like a complete retards and so incompetent that most of Russia’s allies were already taking notice.

Shithole slavic country with zero nuclear weapons or decent military invades nuclear power country for almost a year? I’d hate to be as retarded as Putin.

>>520551444
maybe, but they're very bad at it. they keep accidentally encircling and destroying ukrainian groupings and conquering towns and cities

>>520553072
Those poor chicks don't deserve that treatment, after all they aren't hohols.

>>520553253
>2 gorillion dead
bruh, something's off in your russian flag

>>520553307
The absolute delusion from Russia posters is pretty crazy. They're the same brown hands convinced israel lost in Gaza, i really wish more heebs died though.

I gotta say though their fictions would at least be interesting times and stuff would happen

>>520551924
Nobody said that. The fact you read that from my post says something about you anon..

>>520541711
They could make a deal with Russia, cause right now they're just dying in droves for no support

>>520551951
You asked for exact numbers, of course I can't provide them, don't move the goalposts. Of course you know that tons of Russians are dying at the front, if you really believed that Russia was winning easy victories you'd sign up yourself, being the patriot that you are, surely you'd want to share in their glory.

>>520553338
Yeah take about a year to blow up a village, lose a couple thousands a month so that by the time they take it, they finally have a couple of km’s of blown up rubles after Ukrainians left. Bravo Putin.

>>520547051
Soviet union sinked uranium to the sea by shooting barrels with ak47 so i am not really amazed by chinks ability to destroy the nature

>>520553611
So many Russians died that the body exchange ratio is 39 to 1

>>520553307
i understand you've got some fantasy narrative made up in your head, but perhaps you can address the three questions i put to you?
what operational benefits did the kursk adventure give to ukraine? did it win the war for them? where are those soldiers now?

>>520553524
The deal is that NATO hands everything over from east of the Berlin wall.

Everything in Yalta is Russian property and non negotiable. And it will be taken.

>>520553659
It’s not about China destroying the environment, that’s natural. Its about China destroying Russia’s resource area WITH THEIR BLESSING.

>>520552590
What are Ukies?

>>520553667
So sign up for the Russian Army big guy, they also take foreigners. Who wouldn't want to be a part of a victory where you're roflstomping your enemy 40 to 1.

>>520553524

No deal without Nato insertion. It will fight until that point.

Meanwhile it spills elsewhere

The time frame on the rest of the Donbass is what if that's gone next week?

Russia won't deal without the Donbass and at that point exactly what leverage has Ukraine got?

Ukraine won't give up the Donbass without Nato inserted. In the form of a ceasefire and peacekeepers.

>>520553039
>Surrender
Why surrender when you can fight and get a better outcome than complete capitulation?

>>520553697
>d-did it win the war?
You should be asking that to the army that was supposed to have this wrapped up at least 3 years ago, bro lmao.

>>520553730
Why would i sign up for the Russian army when i'm not Russian? You do know Ukraine is dying to recruit foreign volunteers, you should sign up.
How come the body exchange ratio is 39 to 1 this year if Russia is losing so many soldiers?

for context, this is the area the op image is referring to

>>520553741
t. fought 20 years if Afghanistan and still lost

>>520553730
What a retarded argument. Only retards throw away their lives in foreign wars to begin with, and if you think "your side" is doing fine, what possible reason could there be to sign up.

>>520553844
>i have to bring out some strawman cope
I know, anon. Your shilling skills suck and you’re fucking stupid.

>>520553844
yes. the soviets also fought in afghanistan, for 9 years. they lost 15,000 men.
americans fought in afghanistan for 20 years in afghanistan and lost 2500.

oh and the soviet empire collapsed after losing

>>520553708
The thing is that majority 90%+ Russian population wont ever be even seeing the side effects of natural disasters what are gonna be happening there. So no matter what you are saying how bad its gonna be no one will care

>>520553938
>>520553930
Soviets fought against a enemy armed and supplied by the middle east and USA. muttoids and friends fought against part of Afghanistan with no outside help. Cope and seethe more.

>>520553958
That’s the dumbest thing I’ve heard. There's already plenty of politicians and communities attempting to protest the takeover for years lmao. Ironic, isn’t it? “Strong and sovereign Russia” their own people are gonna need the chinese yuan to do business in the east very soon.

>>520553738
the longer they fight the closer they get to total military defeat and unconditional capitulation

>>520553840
In a country of farmland, the few cities with large Soviet era bunkers are more significant than they look from a distance

>>520553821
>How come the body exchange ratio is 39 to 1 this year if Russia is losing so many soldiers?
If they're not losing many soldiers why don't you sign up? Once in a lifetime opportunity to be a part of an army that is crushing its enemies at a 40 to 1 ratio. If I believed that I'd be packing my bags to sign up right at this very moment. Home by Christmas.
>>520553870
>and if you think "your side" is doing fine, what possible reason could there be to sign up.
To share in their glory of course. If we were conquering the stars who wouldn't want to sign up to become an astronaut?

>>520554007
Pretty dumb thing to say
>"We're so bad at globalism that you can openly finance and supply weapons for the killing of our soldiers, boldly take responsibility for this in front of the entire world and nobody even lifts a finger to intervene, meanwhile if we do that we'll get sanctioned so hard we'll lose 4 million people to starvation"

It's like bragging about having no friends and getting beaten up. Insane cope from you mate.

>>520554059
See>>520553821
You are avoiding the question. Why is the body exchange ratio so lopsided?

>>520553741
okay nice deflection but can you answer the questions please? clearly it didn't win the war for them, but perhaps with your expert analysis you can tell me what operational benefits it gave them, or where the participating soldiers are now?

>>520554095
When the soviets supplied a muttmerican enemy, during the Vietnam war, muttmerica lost with huge casualties in a long war. Of course foreign support matters. I don't understand what is your point

>>520544764
Well yes, it has become entirely predictable.
However, you can only evaluate the effectiveness of a strategy if you know what the strategy aims for.
In this case, the aim is to kill as many Slavs as possible and depopulate Ukraine while also causing as much damage to both the EU and Russia as possible.
From this perspective, the strategy does exactly what it is supposed to do.
This isn't the first time Ukrainians are genocided by Jews, so they don't even have the excuse ignorance. They knew Zelensky was a Jew when they "elected" him, and now he is working exactly as designed.
The only thing I don't get here is the people going surprised-Pikachu at any of this.

>>520554104
>Why is the body exchange ratio so lopsided?
Clearly because they're winning so hard. So let's sign up for the Russian Army, we'll storm all the way to Lviv together. With the Russian Army at our backs no one will be able to stop us.

>>520553840
thanks for the context, looks like pokrovsk is a lynchpin city in the contested area

>>520554007
That’s why their kill/death ration is abysmal every time. Like Stalingrad lmao.

How did Porkrovsk fall so fast while other less entrenched cities like Toretsk took years?

>>520554107
It literally disrupted and displaced thousands of Russians living nearby, you retard. That included farmers too, included workforce missing, that’s logistics nightmare to say the LEAST.

What does an occupation do in a country, you retard????

>>520554360
well, they've been at it for a year and 4 months

>>520554345
a lynchpin? of what? i keep hearing people saying its a major logistics hub, but, when i searched for it its not even listed as a railway hub. who exactly says this is a "major logistics hub"?

>>520554053
So what's the benefit of surrender?

>>520541711
Definitely their priority should be to save men. They still have a lot of cities and land, but running short on men.
Besides, their strategy is quite dumb. They put kidnapped disabled people to guard surrounding villages, while the best troops are starioned in the cities. Those kidnapped just run away or give up and russians easily take those villages. Then the best troops try to retreat from the surrounded cities loosing 60% of men as a minimum. Russians just kill them without fighting. Most of russian attrition is just frok endless ukrainian conuteroffensives that have no logic at all.

>>520543482
Tgry have lost 70k men to take a 20k population area that they eventually lost. It was absolutely pointless pr stunt.

>>520554574
All this strategic larp (from both sides) is pointless. It doesn't matter. This will go on for exactly as long as the Ukrainians find more men to burn. Once they run out, or the soldiers start shooting their officiers, this will just drag on regardless of where the frontline is.
The Russian command understands this, which is why they are in no hurry to move the line.

>>520554927
>le so what?
It seems this is the usual vatnigger cope. How did guerrilla tactics become so effective than even russia couldn’t take it back with NK assistance for months?

>>520554691
less dead soldiers, less occupied territory
>>520554565
sounds like a war winning move. how did the ukraine not win the war from this? perhaps you could provide me with some more expert analysis on how it brought the ukraine closer to victory
>>520554574
for the donbas obviously. you really should take a detailed look at the actual contested area around donetsk to see what the operational impact of the loss of pokrovsk would be. if you're really interested you should try and find a map that highlights known ukrainian fortifications

>>520555120
> sounds like a war winning move
>le so what?
More cope lmao. So what if this shithole invaded Russia and Russia literally could not fight them back?
So what if this shithole blew up a chink of our aerial nukes,
so what if they destroyed a chunk of our oil refinery supply lines?
So what if we’re experiencing shortages because we can’t win this war?
So what?

LMAO.

>>520543204
They shouldn't have fled to Russian lines. Traitors get what they deserve.

>>520555120
Full capitulation means all land is occupied.
>Less dead
And this is good because your enemy will get all the men?

>>520547080
Of course the spic would say this.
>Mexico is over I go to junited estates. VIVA MEXICO!!!!

>>520548261
>Russia isnt holding its own people hostage
Leaving the country is restricted now in many ways and illegal if you get the draft order
>Zelensky cancelled elections
Oh and the Putin ones are totally legit right?

>>520555251
fascinating the fantasy you live in. tell me more. why don't you give me your 100% factual analysis of the state of the war. spare no detail
>>520555294
if you only view people as cattle slaves to be traded between states then i can understand how you'd feel this way. you need to understand though, mykola, that negotiation is still on the table for now, and if you're lucky zelenskike will come to the table before they figure out a way to send you back as trench meat

>>520555711
>fascinating the fantasy you live in.
Vatnigger literally ran out of talking points.
SAD.

>>520555711
You view people as appropriate to the situation. In war times you look at them as soldiers. Your individualism only works on a personal level on a higher level you are nothing but a number.

>>520555120
okay, i did, it just tells me a bunch of cities not actually near pokrovsk. do you have a map or image showing this fortress belt with pokrocsk?

>>520555741
>projection
You make no sense and spout gobbledygook. Ukraine is winning backwards and russia is losing by advancing right? That makes sense to you?

>>520556099
>i don't know how roads work, and I don't understand how penetrating below a large defensive line would threaten the security of the cities above it.
They are doing the same thing in zapo, simply collapsing a flank and rolling up the trenches facing SOUTH from the EAST. Porkroast is a linchpin city, it allows, Once consolidated, another spring board for operations in every cardinal direction. Not even mentioning the offensive for Lyman and siversk which threatened and FIX Ukrainian forces there.

>>520556198
Year 4 of special military operation!

>>520556576
11 years, of a very real 48 hour ATO.

>>520556099
you see those roads leading north from pokrovsk can allow the russians to outflank and encircle those fortress cities that the ukraine is so intent on holding onto. congratulations, you've now finished babby's military fundamentals 101. you now have the same level of military understanding as a 12 year old. if you keep coming back maybe you'll learn something else as well