Thread 520667310

The Republicans have essentially two choices:
>Nuke the filibuster and do all of the shit nobody ever had the balls to do and crush the democrats (requires testosterone which is severely lacking in Senate GOP)
>Cuck out like you have every other time, and lose America to the democrats permanently, who will introduce an aggressive Camp of the Saints immigration policy the SECOND they take power back.

Essentially the republicans have to create a dictatorship or the democrats will.

>>520667310 (OP)
the gop will sell out to the highest bidder. they want money and use power to get money. dems use money to get power. this the gop will always stab you in the back for a dollar.

>>520667310 (OP)
Eliminating the filibuster now will ensure that the moment Dems get back into majority power they fuck over Trump as hard as possible (and Republicans will have no recourse then). This would be an insanely stupid thing for the GOP, but especially Trump, to actually do in the long-term.
>inb4 "Dems will never win again because Trump will never leave office!"
Trump condemned his own supporters for engaging in a protest HE called for on Jan 6th due to media pressure. He doesn't have the stomach of a dictator.
https://www.npr.org/sections/insurrection-at-the-capitol/2021/01/07/954587997/white-house-condemns-violence-on-capitol-hill-without-addressing-trumps-role

>>520667310 (OP)
If you were a legislator, why the fuck would you end the filibuster instead of getting paid to do nothing other than one crappy reconciliation bill per year?

>>520667423
They want to lose, so that everybody can go on Fox News or the millennial version Timcast and just bitch and moan and complain. Just give up! Move into the middle of fucking nowhere and hide from the commies! They are pathetic.

>>520667310 (OP)
Repubs wont kill the filibuster for a dying old prick with 3 years left in office.

>>520667669
Once it’s gone they could implement national voter ID and turbocharge deportations. It’s a risk but the Senate will probably be held even if the house is not.

>>520667310 (OP)
yeah, im sure nothing bad could possibly happen by nuking the philobuster when the Newsom/Mamdani ticket wins in three years. you STUPID fucking faggots. i fuckingHATE this admin - the most momentum the right has had this century and they squash it with unfiltered, manic retardation and sperging.
if you go for ending it, you are dumbest sack of shit that shouldn't even be allowed to entertain political strategy. and that's why this admin is failing, because it's full of literal hookers, closeted crackhead TV presenters, and jeets. i fucking hate this country. they should've forced him to resign when the Epstein shit came out

>>520667755
He’s the only one who can win an election for them, without him they are worthless.

>>520667310 (OP)
I WILL TEACH THEM HOW TO WIN

>>520667831
Why do you want a digital ID? Do you want to be tagged like cattle with the rest of the UK?
Go off, compliance cuck

>>520667310 (OP)
Why can't the Republicans just win on their successful policies and platform?

They don't have any?

>>520667310 (OP)
> Economy is about to tank completely
>miggers kill the fillerbuster
>Dems will have a complete sweep in the next election because the party that is in power when the economy is in the shitter will always get punished
>dems can now do whatever they please
This is fascinating, it's like being allowed to glimpse into the future

>>520667988
I didn’t say digital id cunt, I said you should have to prove you’re a citizen to vote and we should make it harder for stupid people to vote because they always pick democrats.

>>520668368
If they do nothing, the same exact thing will happen

>>520668449
Except Republicans will retain the filibuster they need to prevent all of Trump's acts from being immediately rescinded.

>>520667310 (OP)
You seem to be under the impression that the Republicans actually care about stopping non-White immigration. They don't. They wan't the same kind of replacement migration that the Democrats do, they just want it to be legal Indians and Chinese instead of illegal Mexicans and Venezuelans.

>>520667988
>voter ID MUST be digital
I thought Indians were supposed to be smart

>>520668041
They did win. The problem is simply shutting down the government until the midterms effectively kills any implementation of policies they were elected to pass. It’s a nuclear option in of itself.

>>520667669
What happens if the dems get rid of the filibuster anyways?

>>520667698
Because if they don't stomp out the globohomo forces trying to (((save democracy))) now, they're going to lose their cushy paychecks and either get railroaded through kangaroo courts into prison or get dropped on the street.

>>520669114
No, you're just a faggot. the White share of the population has increased under Trump's second term. Cope harder, loser.

>>520669364
They wouldn't for the same reason Republicans don't want to. It sets their party up for failure and removes all incentives for compromise. It would seriously fuck our legislative processes over and lead to an America that's regularly experiencing wild shifts in policy + extreme partisanship (even worse than today). Whatever temporary gains made by either party to do it first wouldn't be worth it.

>>520669364
DC and Puerto Rico become states which pretty much means the Republicans will always be on the backfoot at the very least. Hell, they might even do away with the electoral college entirely which would completely doom the Republicans.

>>520668449
yeah but you would still have the fillbuster, that would save your ass, big guy. But because Trump is in his orange nigger mode, he can only see the imminent benefit that killing it would bring, so miggers are fucked anyway

>>520667423
Each democract politician and voter that hang are that many less race traitors.

>>520669462
stats status?

>>520668388
>have to prove you’re a citizen
Then make us use our already government issued drivers license. If you want a brand new ID to prove citizenship what do you think theyre gonna do?

>>520667881
>without him they are worthless.
His massive unpopularity is dragging them down right now and it's their asses next year.

>>520667310 (OP)
or just wait until the democrats all starve without gibs?

>>520669068
>>520669564
You are ignoring what >>520669364 says, which is the reality. This is not a normal time, and the left is seriously dangerous. We have to use power to crush them or they will finish us off. If they use it to open the gov, clean up elections, deport illegals, and cut taxes for workers than they could easily hold the senate and maintain power. If they do nothing and let Schumer hold them hostage they will just become more and more unpopular.

>>520669554
I have a feeling the dems are going to do this anyways. Regardless, its obvious we don't benefit from removing it now.
>>520669556
>remove the electoral college
That just means the US is toast. Imagine buying bonds and investing in a country run entirely by dems. It would look like the Feench bond market.

>>520669739
Oh wow all of the most democrat places in the country voted for democrats big fucking deal

>>520669462
>he White share of the population has increased under Trump's second term.
Proof?

>>520669554
Is that really so bad? In other western countries the head of state has a majority in their parliament, so they are actually able to implement what they campaign on. Government should move faster than it was designed to 250 years ago.

>>520669856
The gambit here is that if the left does decide to get rid of the filibuster, they'll own whatever happens. If they get rid of the electoral college, they'll not only own whatever happens but they'll precipitate a civil conflict when the US implodes.

>>520668388
>implement national voter ID

Absolutely not. A state issued ID is fine, why do you want a (((national ID))) like all the jewified Euro homo countries? This is one more step towards the mark of the beast.

>>520669068
>>520669564
If it can be revoked with a simple majority, what makes you think the Dems will restrain themselves the next time Republicans block their policy goals? Packing the Supreme Court is already a mainstream platform for them at this point. Trump's clumsy wielding of executive authority has inflamed them so severely that nothing is off the table anymore.

>>520669253
Trump already put his jewish internet police to take action on wrong think, slowly trying to start a cbdc with usd1 shitcoin, the last thing he would ever do is implement a digital ID!

>>520667310 (OP)
Or... You could actually win over people with policies they like so you can have the votes needed to avoid situation like this in the first place.

>>520670316
If they decide to do all of that, it will speed up the inevitable decline in standards of living and descent into civil conflict.

Honestly, this might not be a bad thing considering that balkanization is the only path forwards.

>>520669908
Virginia went from a solid red state under Bush to a swing state under Obama to a blue stronghold under Trump with a democrat supermajority in their state congress, with almost 55% of voters stating that Trump was part of the reason they were voting how they did. Ignore this at your peril, it's honestly better for me if you just cope.

>>520669856
>>520670316
They wouldn't do it for the same reason Ryan Johnson is vetoing it, because the next time they get fucked in an election, which will happen, they have at least the filibuster that would give them political relevancy, it's a safety measure that is uniparty

>>520667310 (OP)
https://youtu.be/r1KpNauMv4U
Who is cheating in every election?

>>520670038
Other western countries are basket cases that are entirely propped up by the west.

>>520670095
I think it’s important to understand that we are not dealing with the Democrats of the Bill Clinton days, we are dealing with a crop of aggressive cultural Marxist America hating radicals. Political calculation should not be made on the assumption that the left of today acts rationally. The rational thing to do is use whatever option you have to stop, halt, fuck up their money flows, etc. the Republicans can prevent all of that stuff you mentioned by acting decisively now.

>>520670164
Do like RFK said and give everyone a passport card, states like Cali and NY are giving licenses to illegals so it is not foolproof to just use the drivers license.

>>520670576
What is the change in the percentage of Virginia that is White since George W Bush was in office nearly two decades ago? Fuck off

>>520670675
>"The only way to ensure the extremists don't win is to usher in our own extremist government that no longer cares about the Republic either"
What a self-defeating view to have

>>520670675
By would or should we prevent it? A civil conflict and balkanization is better for us as white nationalists. A white ethnostate is only possible in the ashes of America. If you are afraid of such a thing, just have a second passport and wealth stashed overseas.

I think a sudden and violent collapse of the US is preferable to the slow burn we've been in for the past 20 years.

>>520669554
That needs to happen though.
The constitution needs to be amended and supermajorities are the only way to do that.

>>520670576
Virginia was taken over by DC overflow in the last two decades, but Democrats swept house yesterday because Virginia Republicucks really thought running Aunt Jemima as the top of their ticket would get more niggers to vote for them than the unenthused base that would stay home.

>>520670460
The only policy maga has is suck off jews and own libs

>>520671163
It'd naturally lead to a situation where both parties would realize if they don't seize ultimate power now they may never get power again. Dems and Republicans would be in a constant game of authoritarian chicken up until one party changed enough rules of the game to prevent the other from ever threatening their position. It'd be the end of the Republic.

>>520668041

> They don't have any?

They do: no more fucking browns over the border, no more fucking trannies in sports and cheaper eggs. Those are the policies that won the election.

Meanwhile, the democrats tried to Weekend at Bernie's their way into the presidency with no primaries.

>>520669355
The most damning thing is, the republicans knew that Obamacare was going to run out and need to be renewed this year. They have been saying since 2016 that they had a plan, or were working on a plan, or had an idea of a plan. But we got to the finish line and it came out that they had fucking nothing to offer as an alternative but to shut it down entirely.

If the Republicans had a fix for affordable healthcare, this could have come in and gotten nothing but praise. They swore up and down they had the perfect fix for it in their back pocket, and with the presidency and control of congress they could have passed anything they wanted and gotten all of the credit for themselves. Do a thing that makes obamacare look like it was always terrible and get super popular in the process.

Instead, they saw the edge of this cliff coming for 15 straight years and decided to drive over it anyway. Not even an attempt to do anything else.

>>520670316
>If it can be revoked with a simple majority, what makes you think the Dems will restrain themselves the next time Republicans block their policy goals?

Because the republicans have been using the filibuster to block democratic policy for *fucking decades* and they have never nuked it. You think they were not tempted when Mitch used it for 8 straight years to make Congress effectively paralyzed into inaction under Obama? If the democrats were as trigger happy on getting rid of it as you say, it would already be gone and we wouldn't be having this conversation to begin with.

>>520671626
To add to this, it would give whatever side lost a good case to form a separatist government, which is ultimately something good. If Ds did it, R states could form a coalition and appeal to BRICS for membership. Ds are Atlanticists so they are fused to the decaying European powers.

This would set the stage for a conflict that will finally end judeo progressivism globally.

>>520671284
The other issue is that getting conservatives to turn out to vote in any election that isn't a presidential election is like pulling teeth. They're morons that think that as long as their choice for president is in office, their work is done for 4 more years. Meanwhile Dems are showing up to vote in any election.

>>520670675
The young angry democrats don't hate America. They hate Trumpism. Your mistake is equating the two.
I promise you, I'm not going out there and voting for anti-trust laws to break up Amazon and Google and healthcare reform because I'm playing 4d fucking chess to sneak onto your lawn and burn your american flag like some kind of fucking goblin. I just want life to be better here.

>>520672229
>a fix for affordable healthcare
The fix is to stop being a profoundly unhealthy society and to reverse age demographics. Public healthcare is shit too, ask anybody in the UK or Canada.

The republicucks will live up to their reputation and help the demoshits.

>>520672396
Dems couldn't revoke it because they didn't have the numbers politically. Trump was elected the first time because dem policy was so shit that people had enough of it.

Now that they've imported tens of millions of new voters, they have the numbers to finally use the nuke.

>>520670898
Solving the problem BEFORE the gun is being held to your head is obviously better, but if you fail to do so you're pretty clearly at the point of pulling the trigger against your assailant (who also failed to use more peaceful means earlier) first.

Octavion shouldn't have started roman emperors, but the corruption had to be addressed even if it started the end of the republic.
Diocletian shouldn't have divided into it into a tetrarchy, but it let the empire survive even if it ended the dream of Rome.
It's a bit fucking late if you wanted to actually preserve the ideals and structure.

>>520672634
If you wanted life to be better you wouldn’t support people who fuck up your cities, tax you to support foreigners, and make it impossible to succeed.

>>520667310 (OP)
Lets be real here, after this administration, if you don't utterly crush the democrats now, you will have the most insane dictatorship happening under the democrats.

>>520667310 (OP)
Every kneejerk reaction Republicans have done always bites them in the ass. But, i guess it has to be this way

>>520672634
>I want life to be better here
Then why did you import millions of new people to fuck over the natives? Why did you start a war in 2014 against a nuclear power? Why did you shutdown the country over the flu? Why did you sign NAFTA to export our industries away?

You don't have the national interest at heart. You are just like eurocrats destroying Europe right now. You are just it for yourself, just like the retards that put FDR in and created the biggest ponzi scheme in human history. Thankfully the East is ascendant and it will crush your way of life.

>>520672947
I'm all for reducing sending money to other countries, but if you think that the cause of your economic woes are immigrants you are missing the forest for the trees.
The immigrants are being imported because big companies want a cheaper, captive workforce to replace us with. The immigrants are the *tools* of this scheme, but they are not the *perpetrators*. If you want to solve the problem and unfuck the economy, playing whack-a-mole at the lowest rung of the ladder does nothing. You have to solve the problem at the top and go after the corporations and the wealthy investors behind them instead.

We can reduce immigration too while we are at it. I'm not opposed to strong borders. But if you ONLY want to solve the problem at the immigrant level and ignore what is the actual source of this shit, all you are doing is shielding the ones responsible and letting us get fucked further and deeper.

>>520673546
Wages are a question of supply and demand. So is housing, healthcare, and everything else you people bitch about. The only way to make labor more expensive is to reduce the supply. The only way to make housing cheaper is to reduce the demand. It’s not the main thing wrong with this country, that’s corruption and cronyism at the top, but supporting letting the endless brown horde stay out of virtue signaling will simply exacerbate the problems you claim you are trying to solve.

>>520673546
>what about the rich people hiring the illegals
This doesn't excuse progressives aggressively deepthroating immigrant dick. If illegals weren't here, the rich would be forced to hire natives. Why the fuck don't China or Russia have these issues? They have billionaires too.
>I support strong borders
No, you don't. You support demographic displacement and globalism.

>>520673927
> Wages are a question of supply and demand.
In a competitive system, yes. We do not have a competitive system. We have functional monopolies. Why are monopolies bad? Because they let businesses break supply and demand by giving you no viable alternative to the price they are offering you, making theoretical supply and demand value largely irrelevant to the actual economics at play.

Go ahead, go buy a house and tell the real estate company that they HAVE to lower their asking price because there are more houses for sale than there are buyers, and the laws of supply and demand are supposed to be in your favor as a result. You can bring as many highschool economics textbooks without you as you want and use a calculator on the test. I'm sure they will be very impressed.

>>520667310 (OP)
It is in the Republican interest to maintain the filibuster. It guards against
(1) DC and PC becoming states
(2) Pro-Democrat election laws, using Article I, Section 4, Clause 1 of the constitution
(3) Court packing

>>520669606
>Each democract politician and voter that hang are that many less race traitors.
Same roping on nearest tree branch or lamp post for all maga politicians, maga-lards and all Republicunt registered voters. Alas, you won't do shit. Ever

>>520667310 (OP)
It is in the Republican interest to maintain the filibuster. It helps prevent
(1) DC and PR becoming states and adding 4 new Democrat senators
(2) Democrats using article 1, section 4, clause 1 of the constitution to pass pro-Democrat election laws
(3) Democrats packing the supreme court

>>520667310 (OP)
Obama wanted to eliminate the filibuster.

Obama said the filibuster is "racist."

https://www.wsj.com/articles/obamas-filibuster-swipe-11596150793

The filibuster is not racist. Why is Trump agreeing with Obama?

https://www.wsj.com/articles/obamas-filibuster-swipe-11596150793

>>520674256
You are retarded. The monopolies are empowered by the foreign browns, because they work for less. We used to have an actual labor movement in this country that was White, say what you will about the Italian mob but they got people paid and covered.

>>520674442
All of which they can and will do anyway, you cuck.

>>520667310 (OP)
Who is filibuster that's like a british guy or something? What'd he do?

>>520673927
That's just half the story. Forcing companies to raise bottom lines to hire at a high cost, make goods at a higher price, and pay more for input materials import will eventually degrade their competitiveness in the global markets. That means eventually - shrinking businesses, lesser jobs, more unemployment, and a degraded quality of life for everyone. Not to mention, some companies might just move out lock, stock & barell, registering HQs in Ireland or somewhere and maintain majority workforce elsewhere. Lower cost of capital is what tied them to US - that advantage is going away with the endless debt, higher interests and rising inflation.

>>520674485
Okay, now we are getting somewhere. What you are saying you want is strong unions. Thats the labor movement you just mentioned.
I also want strong unions. This is something we agree on.

>>520674540
Just further strengthens the position of separatists in the future. You are still thinking as though the US will exist for 50 mores years. It has 20 years left max.

>>520670675
This is so funny, because they say the exact same thing about today's republicans.

>>520667669
The dems already tried to get rid of it under biden.

>>520667423
>>520667724
Both of these are correct, they're mainly cowards who talk shit and then flee when things get serious. Always have been. They want money, luxury, comfort and the quality of pussy that brings to them.

>>520675896
And the fringe Dems calling for that were laughed out of the room by the rest of their party which is why it never had a shot at passing.

>>520675736
Eventually one side will win, which should it be?

>>520676209
False, it was basically only Manchin and Sinema.
If Democrats ever win 52 seats in the Senate, the Filibuster is gone.

>>520674959
Yes but when the system worked half a century ago CEO’s were not being paid 1000x a line worker, housing and food were affordable because there wasn’t a brown horde getting it subsidized, and financialization had not occurred yet. The Financialization faction of republicans and a lot of democrats is the other half of the picture, but the immigration and that reinforce each other in an endless orobourous of destroying Middle (White) America.

if trump destroys the filibuster, he may very well end up being the best thing to happen to america. no pain, no gain. but the pain of this orange rat will pay off with democrats being able to truly fix the system. fix voting laws across the country, completely remove gerrymandering, destroy fox news, with no filibuster the cancer that is the republican party and their poison can be systematically removed from the country.

when newsom wins, he better put kamala as head of the justice department, and then have her lock up every single fucking traitor. pure fucking cinema.

>>520667868
You idiots that come here to shill after your gimme wins are so delusional holy shit. This zutt butt motherfucker is a nobody outside of NY and fringe political forums like this one. Nobody knows or cares who he is. Jesus you people are pathetic, grasping at everything like it's a victory while your nigger constituents begin to starve.