Thread 520743472

Food is overrated altogether.
I never enjoyed eating and took it as a chore, just something that has to be done, and during multiple periods of my life I have become underweight just due to having no inclination, no drive, to eat, since eating holds no appeal for me.
Why people are so obsessed with eating food, and even more obsessed with having tasty foods, is an utterly foreign and strange thing to me.
We'd all do better to end gluttony and settle for one meal per day, a plain meal, consisting of some beans and rice and maybe a vegetable. It's all you need to keep you alive.
Think of the holy men of times past who lived on bread and water alone.
The more attached you become to worldly things, such as food or status or electricity or running water or clothes etc., the more divorced and distant you become from reality.

It is a holy discipline to progressively end your attachment to everything worldly, from wealth and power and prestige down to food and medicine and electricity. Millennia of holy men understood and taught exactly this: end all worldly attachments that those desires which keep you entangled with worldly things that not only are unnecessary, but which even turn your focus away from what is truly important.
This world is nothing. Nothing of this world is anything. Any goodness you find, like real love (which is not romantic or sexual love) is not of this world but is in fact an intrusion into this world of something otherworldly and divine, where all goodness abides.
Stop wanting to be some kind of king or princeling or aristocrat or meaningful person in this world. It's all vanity. It leads nowhere. No matter how big your impact is on this world, this world will forget it in the eons to come and your impact will dwindle into negligibility over the relentless march of time.
We do not need a "Return of Kings" but a return of ascetics living bare minimal lives. In the end, even end your attachment to life itself and be indifferent to death.

>>520743472 (OP)
imagine saying those words and not thinking you are the insane uneducated one
there are so many angles to attack and demolish that kind of fanatical no-proof reasoning

t. not atheist

>>520743472 (OP)
And no, you do not need sex, nor a spouse, nor a family with children. Jesus never taught this. He was a lone celibate ascetic. He told his followers to leave their families and follow him. The Buddha also left his family after gaining enlightenment to begin is search for the path to salvation and begin his ascetic mission of teaching others how to end their suffering.
The worldly religions like Judaism and Islam and the pre-monotheistic pagan religions all teach and taught about the importance of fertility, family, and reproduction. But such concerns are worldly, since once you get a spouse and kids, your attention immediately turns to providing for them and increasing their social status in order to give them the best chance at survival.
This is why Paul taught that it is better to be celibate, as sex leads to worldly attachments that turn your mind from real things of real concern.
I see you lost souls discoursing endlessly upon the desire for sex, the need for a wife, and the necessity or producing offspring. But none of these things are true needs, just distractions from the right way, the straight way, that leads us to holiness.

>>520743472 (OP)
You are gay

>>520743566
Then go ahead.
Prove to me that worldly things have value.
You are clearly caught in the web of worldly desires and cravings and unable to see how worthless all of that is.

>>520743865
Your kind claim to be "different from the normies" while swallowing, all at once, every last basic social norm and standard.

>>520743472 (OP)
Ascetics are self castrated and self-enslaved "men" because they follow man made belief systems designed to weaken people. They are essentially dead men walking. To be an ascetic is to commit suicide. We should not look to suicidal men for life advice.

>>520744102
And everything you just said comes from a perspective rooted in attachment to the world and to existence.
It's an example of existence defending itself, or existence defending existence as something worthwhile.

>>520743876
they are created by God
hence they have value
you know better than God?
you see how stupid and arrogant you are

>>520743472 (OP)
Shit the fuck up
No one is reading your gay blog

>>520744899
You know what else is rooted to the world you fucking idiot? Arguing with people on the internet, on 4chan of all places. Of you truly didn't give a shit and weren't larping you wouldn't even be here. Take your condescending fart sniffing larp somewhere else you fucking poser

>>520745033
And according to Christian theology all the world has been cursed by God and turned wicked. Therefore, they don't have value from the Christian point of view.
The Bible even says that "Satan is the God of this world," From that standpoint, it would seem that from the Christian perspective, all the world is Satanic.

>>520745358
that theology was written by flawed people not by God
the existence and material world on the other hand are definitely not created by flawed people

Asceticism can be based when directed and utilized wisely, however this right here-
>This world is nothing
This kind of thinking and teaching is precisely why evil is winning. Because so called holy men abandon this world to evil and think themselves righteous

Asceticism should be practiced to rid oneself of addiction and weakness, and for the attainment of true power. Not for abandoning the world, but to serve the world and through it the one who created it

Practicing asceticism to hide in a cave somewhere is weakness disguised in the most arrogant and vain mask of them all- a "holy man"

>>520745475
I was referencing what the Bible itself says, which Christians say was authored by God working through divinely inspired writers of the books of the Bible.
I meant that these claims are from Christian theology in the sense that theology begins with the Bible for Christians.
Nothing I said is extra-biblical. I even quotes passages to support my claims.

I've noticed that for a lot of fat people, eating food is pretty much the only pleasure they've found in life. It's not that they couldn't do anything else, but they just don't even try. They eat when they're bored, when they're sad, when they're nervous, and they eat just to pass the time. They also have poor impulse control.

>>520747312
>which Christians say was authored by God
nope
try again
what is your point anymore? i demolished you already

>>520746124
>This kind of thinking and teaching is precisely why evil is winning. Because so called holy men abandon this world to evil and think themselves righteous
This world cannot be saved. Any effort by men, or humans in general, to save the world is vain, and not only is it vain but it is also sinful because it derives from pride.
What is the difference between you, on the right, trying to save the world and someone like AOC or Greta Thunderberg or Al Gore trying to save the world?
The Bible says this world is doomed and will be destroyed in the Final Judgment. Then, a new heaven and a new earth will be created for those who were righteous so they can dwell either upon the new earth, as most saved people will, with Jesus who is God the Son, or, for the elect few, who number 144,000, the new heaven, which is the replacement of the heaven corrupted by Satan's rebellion and leading a third of the angels against God, shall be where the holiest of the holy dwell with God the Father, not in paradise, which is the new earth like the Garden of Eden reconstructed, but outside the world entirely in heaven above, and not with God the Son but with God the Father Himself, who only remains in heaven while God, insofar as He is the son, has dwelt both upon both earth as well as in heaven with God the Father.

>>520747459
Show me any non-heterodox Christian who claims that the Bible is not divinely inspired and, therefore, is not the words of God given to us as a revelation of God's will and purpose for us.
You have demolished nothing I have said, but rather just thrown some accusations, based on faulty reasoning, and left it at that. If that satisfies you as a proper logical "demolition," then that is your business, but it does not reflect reality.

>>520747454
>I've noticed that for a lot of fat people, eating food is pretty much the only pleasure they've found in life. It's not that they couldn't do anything else, but they just don't even try. They eat when they're bored, when they're sad, when they're nervous, and they eat just to pass the time. They also have poor impulse control.
Gluttony is a serious sin, listed as one of the deadly sins or those sins for which the punishment is death such that continuing to commit them leads to one's death. The glutton kills himself, this enacts his own punishment for the sin he is committing, by eating himself to death, just as the the slothful person dies from hunger for failure to do the work to provide his own sustenance (For those who do not work, shall not eat), and the wrathful person is apt to be killed in a fight as he continues to commit the sin of wrath and look for ever more people to quarrel with, on and on for all the Seven Deadly Sins.
These are the self-punishing sins, we may say, in that continuing to commit them, or continuing on the sinful path that they lay out for us and tempt us to follow, is likely to kill us in the end.
Gluttony is one of the most widespread of these seven distinct kind of sins in the world today. Overeating has never in history been so easy as it is in modern societies due to the sheer abundance of food in the modern world.
And absolutely yes, the glutton is gluttonous in a variety of ways, from eating for the pleasure of the flavors of the foods to eating to handle boredom to eating to calm one's nerves.
The Seven Deadly Sins tend to be ways of life, such that a glutton tends to focus on one sin and just recommit it for years in a continual process of sinning, just as the greedy or prideful person tends to remain set in his or her ways and then continue committing sins of pride and and greed for years to come -- even a lifetime.
The Seven Deadly Sins are, we might say, life-consuming sins.

>>520747648
>The Bible says this world is doomed and will be destroyed in the Final Judgment. Then, a new heaven and a new earth will be created for those who were righteous

>do nothing and YOU WIN
>resist not evil, and YOU WIN

You have unironically fallen for the lies of Satan. It is men like you that have given him dominion over the earth. As >>520745475 pointed out, you choose the scribblings of anonymous men from thousands of years ago over your own God-given eyes and ears. You dismiss his literal handiwork all around you as "not important". This is the peak of delusion

>This world cannot be saved. Any effort by men, or humans in general, to save the world is vain, and not only is it vain but it is also sinful because it derives from pride
God alone will choose whether the world is saved or not. We are all instruments in his hands. If one day a better future awaits us those who follow your philosophy will find that they did absolutely nothing to help achieve it

It's extremely arrogant to think one deserves eternal paradise for hiding in a hole somewhere

>>520748475
Then go forth and save this fallen world, O Holy Crusader, and outdo even God Himself, who has promised to end this broken world and rebuild in its place a new one.
It is the Bible itself that says God will be the one rebuilding the world, i.e. creating the new heaven and the new earth, in the Book of Revelation.
So how, then, is it a "lie from Satan" to assert that we are not the ones to save the world and we have no God-given duty to save the world?
Perhaps you have a savior complex and place yourself in the place rightfully belonging to the Messiah, the Christ, as savior of the world.
The best work you can do is to save souls by spreading the Gospel. Indeed this effort is holy and biblical and Jesus himself charges his disciplines to go forth and spread the good news of salvation.
But this is the saving of souls, not saving the world the way you mean it as some sort of political cataclysm and overturning of the way things are in the here and now. Your thinking is more in line with the zealot Barabbas who insisted that saving the world means overthrowing the Great Whore, i.e. Rome, and instituting a new political order, and that the Messiah would be a revolutionary.
Jesus, at his trial before the Sanhedrin, said his kingdom is not of this world when questioned about his claim to be the king. In saying this, Jesus was making clear that he has no desire to alter the political situation of the world. He also said we must render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's.
Your revolutionary and political version of salvation is not what Jesus came for, at least not in his First Coming. And the Second Coming will not be a political revolution against the existing order led by men, but by Christ and the Heavenly Host.

And your claim that God alone will choose if this world is saved is anti-biblical. The Book of Revelation assures us that this earth and the heaven above it will be replaced with a new heaven and a new earth.

>>520749468
>The best work you can do is to save souls by spreading the Gospel. Indeed this effort is holy and biblical and Jesus himself charges his disciplines to go forth and spread the good news of salvation.
Think about it: you, and those like you, are the picturesque ideal vanquished enemies. Imagine conquering a civilization so hard that men in their prime crawl into holes in the ground where they do nothing but beg for God to save them

>It is the Bible itself that says God will be the one rebuilding the world, i.e. creating the new heaven and the new earth, in the Book of Revelation. So how, then, is it a "lie from Satan" to assert that we are not the ones to save the world and we have no God-given duty to save the world?
The Bible is a book of lies for creating vanquished men

>Then go forth and save this fallen world, O Holy Crusader, and outdo even God Himself
As I have already stated, we are all instruments in God's hands. Any action is impossible without his will

>who has promised to end this broken world and rebuild in its place a new one
You literally believe that it's okay to hide away somewhere and do nothing because one day a wizard will show up and fix everything

>>520744102
it's the other way around: ascetics are truly free as they are not bound by any attachments, they can dedicated themselves to the one thing that counts: truth. their purpose is to be unattached from financial, familial, and emotional constraints so they can guide people better towards a more divine and harmonious experience.
one has to see ascetics as spiritual athletes, they are doing the community a service by showing that most needs are imagined - it's freeing. most don't need to be ascetics and celibates but any community benefits from having these people.

just go in a forest all alone like a cowardly loser cuck and cope by thinking all the evildoers will be punished by a magical creature. dont kill your enemies though, that's like, unchristian n shiet

>>520750981
Beautifully stated, far better than any of my rambling

>>520750981
Buddhist warrior monks are ten times more successful at keeping muslims out of their homelands than all of western christians and atheists combined.
only because you renounce earthly pleasures doesn't mean you can't kick ass.

>>520743472 (OP)
>I never enjoyed eating and took it as a chore
I heard US food is absolute garbage so it isn't surprising.

>>520743472 (OP)
I really hate this mentality, that the world is entirely evil. The world has good and bad things, it has both. Every single person that says to reject the world has yet to put a bullet in their brains and every second they breath they prove there is still something in the world.

>>520751343
i don't know enough about buddhists but in christianity violence is considered fundamentally evil and martyrdom for your faith is so venerated that it is seen as preferential to killing in the name of your faith, which obviously logically leads to extinction, of course assuming you are properly christian and actually follow the scripture.

Have to side with Nietzsche here.

>>520751793

in christianity violence is considered fundamentally evil and martyrdom for your faith is so venerated that it is seen as preferential to killing in the name of your faith
Correct. Jesus himself died after a brutal torturing without so much as harming a single hair on the head of his murderers

>>520752301
>bible literally says there's a time for war
>retards think the effeminate baby boomer version of Christianity actually aligns with the Bible
You traitors to the Christian West literally side with communists and jihadists over Christians.

>>520752385
you don't know your own faith, stupid fucking christcuck

Christianity is an apoc religion.
It counts on the world ending.

cuckstianity is a jewish plot to undermine rome and all the other nations of the world

>>520752301
This is not true and a great misconstruction of Christianity while I really respect your emphasis rejecting on being wordly and it's presence in violence it isn't completely accurate. Violence is only evil if it's ungodly and done without love

>>520752385
>resist not evil
>love your enemies
>if they hunger, feed them
>if they thirst, give them something to drink
>if they steal from you, give them even more than was stolen
>put your sword back in its sheath, for all who live by the sword die by the sword

>>the fact that Jesus and all of his apostles died practicing pacifism
Literally just read the Sermon on the Mount moron

>>520747459
>i demolished you already
kek, you're one pretentious midwit

>>520752825
>so said the schizo

>>520743472 (OP)
>during multiple periods of my life I have become underweight

Reported your post to the Committee for un-american activities. Please stay in place until the Goysquad arrives with enough Corn Syrup in reserve to turn you properly american.

Of course OP abandoned the thread

This is probably the one time in 4chan history that it's logically consistent for OP to abandon his own thread

>>520752639
>Christianity is an apoc religion.
Can tell you never have read the bible.
It is not an "Apoc religion" it teaches that the end will come, we just dont know when, but the important part about that, is that you can be saved here and now, but the clock is ticking. Its a a religion of life and not to fear the end.

>Its a death cult!
Literally the entire point of Christianity is that Christ DEFEATED the grave and death and lived beyond it.

A holey man

it is a death cult.

>>520751439
We have all the best food in the world. The top French restaurants are in America. If our food wasn't so good, Americans wouldn't be so fat, pal.

OP should cut his dick and balls off to finally divorce himself from worldly attachment, honestly.

I'm an ascetic but I also indulge, I have no interest in money, women, accomplishments, etc. but I'm a slave to vydia. Not the worst master to have, but still. I also coom every now and then.

>>520743472 (OP)
eat to live, not live to eat
the Lord provides

>>520743829
>18 Then the Lord God said, “It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a helper fit for[f] him.”

>>520754247
That was God speaking to Adam. Here is Jesus speaking to you >>520753890

>>520754304
Jesus is God

>>520754377
You're dodging the point and trying to pretend that God's instructions to Adam somehow override God's instructions for Christians to not get married and to practice celibacy (as Christ was celibate)

>"It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” (1 Corinthians 7:1)

>“Do not seek a wife. This is what I mean, brothers: the appointed time has grown very short. From now on, let those who have wives live as though they had none, and those who mourn as though they were not mourning, and those who rejoice as though they were not rejoicing, and those who buy as though they had no goods, and those who deal with the world as though they had no dealings with it. For the present form of this world is passing away.” (1 Corinthians 7:27,29-31)

>"I wish that all men were [celibate] as I am. But each man has his own gift from God; one has this gift, another has that. Now to the unmarried and widows I say this: It is good for them to remain unmarried, as I am." (1 Corinthians 7:7-8)

>"For there are eunuchs who were born that way; others were made that way by men; and still others live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.” (Matthew 19:12)

>"These are they that were not defiled with women, for they are virgins. These are they that follow the Lamb whithersoever He goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb." (Revelation 14:4)

Sex BAD, the end comes soon

>>520754642
>But each man has his own gift from God
Paul called his celibacy a gift from God.
When God presents you a wife should you turn her away for your own vain righteousness?
the point is to not go out of your way to seek a wife, but God provides.

>>520753018
Yes that's all true but ever heard of Saint & Martyr Nestor of Thessalonica who killed a pagan gladiator? "Nestor was very young in age (20 years old) and handsome in appearance at the time of his martyrdom, around 306 AD during the reign of Emperor Maximian. Outraged by the brutal spectacles organized by the emperor, where the giant gladiator Lyaeus killed Christians by throwing them onto spears after wrestling matches, Nestor sought to challenge this injustice. Nestor, seeing all this, went to visit Saint Demetrius of Thessaloniki in prison, receiving his holy blessing and the sign of the Cross. With this young Nestor went to duel with Lyaeus the gladiator. In the arena, Nestor, invoked “the God of Demetrios” and miraculously defeated Lyaeus, throwing him onto the spears. This victory humiliated the emperor, Maximian became enraged and ordered that both Nestor and Demetrios should be put to death. Saint Demetrios was stabbed with spears, and Saint Nestor was beheaded." Of course he did receive a blessing from a Saint but Christians are expected to pick up arms to defend their families and country in the name of Christ. We shouldn't seek out violence and the desire to harm others but in certain instances to not do so is even more selfish and sinfully cowardice. You're misrepresenting our faith by making out that we are doormats to the world, becareful because not only are you misleading inquirers of the faith by not acknowledging any nuance but also abetting those who attack it and say all manner of scorn. We are not Gnostics we don't hate the body, the world and things of the world in of themselves, but because they are currently fallen we reject glorifying them. The problem is not the material but the fact that the spiritual doesn't take precedence in our world. So for this reason we should not be materialistic and quick to prideful violence and so forth. It is a shame so many "Christians" don't know the account of Saint Nestor.

>>520754888
>When God presents you a wife should you turn her away for your own vain righteousness? the point is to not go out of your way to seek a wife, but God provides.
That's reasonable. I suppose there are even countless quality women awaiting us in church. They're sinners just like we are but it would be vain righteousness to reject them

>>520755194
sorry but I only date hot (white) girls

>>520755194
read Genesis 24

>>520743472 (OP)
true, have a (You)
don't expect anyone to actually understand any of it, this is a normie board

>>520754984
>You're misrepresenting our faith by making out that we are doormats to the world
Jesus died for everyone's sins, yes? So even the most broken, lowly incestuous baby rapist can be cleaned through Christ? I think this explicitly makes Jesus a metaphorical doormat, for the dust (sins) of the world- and the aspiration of Christians is to be like him

You are quite literally "doormats to the world"

>>520753890
This is clearly an extreme and look if you want to read this dishonestly, uncharitably and in bad faith then there's nothing I can say or do but don't act like I and all other true Christians are called to cut off our dicks and that the ancient cases of those that did in whatever extreme circumstance and piety that promoted them to do so are equivalent to the satanic deluded and misguided troons.

>>520743472 (OP)
Okay, stop sitting on the internet where complete debauchery reigns, and go live in the forest, in your own built house without running water, electricity or heating

>>520743829
>the Buddha also left his family
He left the whole fucking Hindu nation and indulged their pursuit in the hope that maybe one day other people give up too.

>>520743472 (OP)
>We'd all do better to end gluttony and settle for one meal per day, a plain meal, consisting of some beans and rice and maybe a vegetable
haha no. what you want is mac and cheese with tuna every day until you get sick of it, then burrito bowls with rice and shredded rotisserie chicken mixed with salsa, then spaghetti and beets, basically maximal nurtrition with minimal price/effort. one meal and one donut per day because donuts have a decent nutritional profile. gotta avoid fake and gay bullshit
>I never enjoyed eating and took it as a chore
you want to enjoy food get a family to cook for. whoops marriage is contrary to the laws and customs of the subhuman amerifuck filth

>>520749468
Why the fuck would anyone want eternal life if everything about the world is evil, it's sinful?

That warm breeze that Sunday afternoon, that's evil, you are putting a fleeting desire in a pedestal evil. That relationship with that girl, lust, it's evil. That meal you ate, you aren't fasting, you are prolonging your stance in an evil world evil, you are to run from pleasure. Everything is a fucking sin. But guess what you can't even do the "the best move is not to play" because surprise, that is also evil.

We honor God by blindly saying his name in a bubble in a loop for all eternity I suppose, because anything else is a sin.

>>520743829
>you do not need sex, nor a spouse, nor a family with children. Jesus never taught this. He was a lone celibate ascetic
Jesus is God. if Jesus had had a child, everyone would be worshiping that bloodline like they do for moehamhead. Jesus intended to let the kikes murder him at age 33. todays men dont even have their first child by then. Jesus and paul are heroes but celibacy is not normal

>>520756020
It is good to live your life like this in small periods. But fasting ends with a feast, celibacy ends with sex, and so on. Doing it for eternity is holiness spiralling, which is why monks were kept in monasteries far away from normal people where they would be free to outdo each other in holiness every day, but not bother others with it.

>>520756020
satan is the current ruler of the earth
eternal life is Jesus being the ruler of the earth

Asceticism was invented by the jeet and sandnigger ruling classes to control their slaves and then spread like poison to neighboring cultures.

>>520755377
>Jesus died for everyone's sins, yes? So even the most broken, lowly incestuous baby rapist can be cleaned through Christ?
>responds with a gross misconstruction
If I had a dollar... Where did I say this and how in the world did you get that from what I said. First, Jesus died for our sins because it was the Father's will and only he could do it. If I must get into it: Christ was crucified for our sake because since he was divine and the Godman only he could sanctify our fallen human nature (because of the Fall: where mankind through Eve and Adam lost union with God from the mere act of disobeying a sole requirement of our God the creator hence separating their will with his, and since God is origin of goodness being separate from him brought forth the fallenness which has dominated the world ever since, the Fall brought death and corruption into the world - all the ills of life) in case you were ignorant. (Part 1)

>>520743472 (OP)
Jesus drank wine because he loved it. God made all the fruits in the garden tasty because he simply could. The world was created for us and our enjoyment. Ideally, we should approach the world and live in the world while not being of the world. Some cannot do this, which is why we have ascetics, but the forces of heaven are not ascetic; they are active in their role.

>>520743829
You cannot rationalize this with the fact that marriage is a divine union orchestrated by God before the fall. God commanded humans to “be fruitful and multiply” in Genesis. Some cannot do this only because they cannot commit, but the ideal remains as it is.

>>520757655
You decided to see your surroundings as a playground, like kikes do. Ascetics see it as a testing area.

>>520748475
you're both right in a way, of course if you don't act you lose and the devil wins. but what anon is saying is that there's not even a game at all, that both good and evil are aspects of a same God process of creation and your perspective of them is affected by your place as an imperfect human incapable of seeing the whole. truth has layers, and while some truth are hierarchally above others it's a loop in which the lowest simplest truth is also above the highest most complex one. you're both right and talking about different aspects of God, stop being wankers like blind men before an elephant

>>520757882
You mean the god of jews, aka the Devil?
Yeah.

>>520755377
Christ came down to our fallen nature & level and sanctified it with his divine nature from the Father and his death on Cross. From sources who can say this better than I "Loving both the Father and ourselves, Jesus brought the Father and ourselves together by what He accomplished in His own body, reconciling us through the blood of His Cross". And "through our sin, we metaphorically sold ourselves to death, “for the wages of sin is death” (Rom 6:23). We were “enslaved to sin” (Rom 6:6 & John 8:34). But God ransomed us from sin and death even though those things have no true ontology or personhood". So this is what his death did for us, but it should go without saying that salvific death doesn't make child rapists and serial killers saved and clean from sin, they still have to seriously repent if they hope to receive the salvific grace from his Crucifixion, they are very much dammed and cooked if they don't make serious change.
>for the dust (sins) of the world and the aspiration of Christians is to be like him
If you wanna ignorantly perceive Christ our Lord as a mere doormat ignoring his risen Godman status and role as our absolute judge it's your own freewill but he could've literally wiped the Roman Empire from the face of the world with a legion of angels, if he so desired he could throw the sun into the earth. Fortunately for us God is good, for this fact alone he is praiseworthy and deserving of adoration.
(Part 2)

>>520743472 (OP)
Yes a life denying degenerate, with fucked up instincts.
Irony is ive done OMAD for well over a decade.
Holy men weren't holy they were sick.
Any who castrate there desires kills the well spring of life.
You botched creatures have ruined so many people with your sickness.
The argument for moderation is one thing, but your poncey attitude, your inability to enjoy something as simple as food, is simole ingratitude
And to have the nerve to think it's a good thing worthy of praise, or anything but an omission of how defective you are

>>520750981
You talk like a nigger and/or a jeet. Your opinion matters naught.

>>520757108
We are the rulers of the Earth. Don't blame Satan or God for our mistakes, but neither should you forget the things we've done right and well.

The monk does not "know" anything about "God". That's where he's a little off base. He assumes he understands anything, when he quite possibly is clueluess

>>520759112
>We are the rulers of the Earth.
nope, Adam gave dominion of earth to satan

Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. 9 And he said to him, “All these I will give you, if you will fall down and worship me.” 10 Then Jesus said to him, “Be gone, Satan! For it is written,

“‘You shall worship the Lord your God
and him only shall you serve.’”

>neither should you forget the things we've done right and well
all our righteousness is like filthy rags
humanity only managed one thing so far, to destroy the earth and to destroy itself.
dont delude yourself.

>>520758292
>Jesus brought the Father and ourselves together by what He accomplished in His own body, reconciling us through the blood of His Cross
Human sacrifice is evil. Torture and murder of the innocent for the sins of the wicked is evil. Punishing party A because of what party B did is evil and furthermore is the exact opposite of justice

>And "through our sin, we metaphorically sold ourselves to death, “for the wages of sin is death” (Rom 6:23
If the wage of sin is eternal torture in lava, then why isn't Jesus in hell right now? If I anonymous would burn in hell for all eternity for masturbating once, why did Jesus get off so easy (dying once knowing he'll respawn soon) for paying the "cost" of all sin? The math doesn't add up

>mortal man pays for any sin with an eternity in hell
>Jesus pays for ALL sin with a brief death
The math doesn't add up

>If you wanna ignorantly perceive Christ our Lord as a mere doormat ignoring his risen Godman status and role as our absolute judge it's your own freewill
>it's your own freewill
Does God know what I'll eat for dinner tomorrow?

>>520759436
Have you ever left the city, brother? I feel like your own lack of action is tainting your views. I've spent literally thousands of hours volunteering and working on projects to protect this beautiful planet, our Mother Earth, and I think humans are mostly good.

>>520759646
>Mother Earth
>I think humans are mostly good
and I think satan has you good.
the earth is a constant battle for survival, animals suffer, everything dies and decays. you tell yourself it looks good and beautiful on the surface but deny the underlying mechanics. this world is cursed and in a constant state of corruption. nothing is good but God.

>>520760278
Nah. You deny the beauty of life itself.

>>520760278
>nothing is good but God
A good artist makes good art, a good tailor makes good clothes, but somehow the good God made a world that's "cursed and in a constant state of corruption"

Hmmmmm

>>520760434
you live a lie.

>>520760504
Step outside, go to somewhere you can see the stars. Spend the night there.

>>520760492
we cant make anything good. the artist will find faults in his art, the clothes the tailor made will break at some point.

>>520760573
do you take a gun with you in case of an animal attack?

>>520760596
>we cant make anything good
Why can't God make anything good? You yourself called his creation "cursed and in a constant state of corruption" >>520760278

>>520760646
yeah. struggle and death are part of the beauty

Youre just deficient in micronutrients needed to convert food into energy or to produce stomach acid/bile. Could be as simple as not enough chloride

>>520760596
That makes them inherently beautiful you soulless krautoid.

>>520760278
>jesus king of kings lord of lords first and last adam
>but le satan le rules the earth

Christgolems are deluded.

>>520760670
why the fuck do you think I wait for his return?
he promised a new earth and a new heaven and himself dwelling with us on earth where we are to live in a city that he build.
thats what I am waiting for. you compromise for a sub par world with satan as a ruler. you sell yourself short of the glory of God.

>>520760688
yeah like I said, satan already has you deceived. you worship death.

>>520760803
and another compromising satanist chimes in. worship imperfection all you want, I will not participate.

>>520760861
read Revelation

>>520760861
Basically christgolems constantly turn god into satan and it makes them run around screaming schizophrenic nonsense and gibberish and selective quote bible and threaten everyone with hell torture like a bunch of...demons

>>520743566
how malnourished are you? imagine making a point about the bible being written by moral mortals makes it invalid. The bible is practically the "Spelling it out" book for the average unthinking retard. The self righteousness comes from conclusivity of omniscience. Imagine living your life as a religious pawn expecting signs from god. No wonder some of you get confident with flawed ideas

>>520760945
>read this failed prophecy

>>520757882
>Genesis
Top kek, fuck off with your kike bible

The fact is, religious people are the only people who get possessed by "demons" and think most people will go to "hell".

>>520760906
Don't put words in my mouth, Brudi, i worship only the Creator. Tone your rittersport sbahn paulaner autism for just a second and accept that we are imperfect beings in an imperfect world, for a reason.

>>520760803
Only in this realm are virtues dependant (by contrast) on their opposites.

>>520760906
>you worship death.
You need to take a step back and see the wider perspective. Death is not the end. If you insist this world belongs to your devil, you're saying that your God doesn't have control over his own creation. Which is it?

I think that what is, is perfect. We are lucky to be alive and we should appreciate our time here.

>>520760906
>thats what I am waiting for. you compromise for a sub par world with satan as a ruler. you sell yourself short of the glory of God
You literally believe that God made the world and then gave dominion of it to the Devil. A good god would never hand over his creation to evil. Handing over innocent beings to be tortured by evil is evil

You literally worship evil, you're just indirect and cowardly about it by scapegoating Satan all the time
>God isn't evil, Satan is evil, Satan is why this world sucks
Your God explicitly created Satan, knowing what he would do, and then God explicitly put Satan in charge over his creation

>>520761054
wdym? its being fulfilled all around us. open your eyes.

>>520761156
yes, to repent and be saved by Jesus Christ. where do you see beauty outside of what is to come?

>>520761317
yes, God is in control with the purpose to show us how badly we need a savior.
God uses the bad of satan for the good, to seek him earnestly. the lukewarm and compromising will be spit out.

>>520761364
> God made the world and then gave dominion of it to the Devil
Adam gave dominion to the devil, not God. God gave it to Adam and Adam gave it to satan.
>Handing over innocent beings to be tortured by evil is evil
humans hand themselves over to evil for temporary comfort and joy, the temptations of satan.
>you're just indirect and cowardly about it by scapegoating Satan all the time
are you seriously defending satan? lmao
>God explicitly put Satan in charge over his creation
again, you are wrong. humanity made satan their god.

>>520761364
Is Satan evil or the punisher of evil?
The Demiurge isn't evil, it's a filter.

>>520761714
>God uses the bad of satan for the good
a carrot and a stick doesn't sound like love.

>>520761777
God is unconditional love. once you realize that you are a hostage are you not running to the one that saved you tho he didnt need to?

>>520761956
Anon, you just said he uses the devil to push us towards him.

>>520761714
>Adam gave dominion to the devil, not God. God gave it to Adam and Adam gave it to satan
God knew what Adam would do, correct? He could have made Adam perfect so that he didn't fall into temptation, but he didn't

God could have said "you dropped the ball, the world is mine again"

God could have done literally anything else other than create both Satan and Adam, knowing that Satan would control the entire world. However God explicitly chose for Satan to control everything

He could destroy Satan and all evil this very second with the barest portion of his will, yet he actively chooses to allow Satan (his creation) to rampage

>humanity made satan their god
And God made Satan, knowing what he would do. You worship the creator of evil

>>520761406
Its a continually failed prophecy:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unfulfilled_Christian_religious_predictions

Religion = schizophrenia

>>520761015
Everybody in this thread is the culmination of god, if you regress to ignorance you actively deny gods evolution for yourself and your will shalt not be kept into account (lack of ethics for a good personal future) the whole haggling for intellectualism here is the main proof of gods existing will within you for a rapture state that US CHRISTIANS take into account for the dominantly sceptics/invalids.

>>520762034
Is it reddit or chatgpt you come from?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30Lcnj6wrR8

>>520762004
no, he makes the devil expose himself so we see how badly we need a savior.
humans are to comfortable and complacent in this day and age. most people live more comfortable than kings a hundred years ago.

>>520762034
these are baseline atheist talking points.
God shows his glory by having mercy on sinners and the wicked for no reason at all and perfects them in his image for eternity in presence of all his angels, fallen angels and satan included.
>And God made Satan, knowing what he would do.
free will my dude, satan was a covering cherub, one of the highest and most glorious angels to ever exist, but he wanted to be like God. humanity makes the same mistake all the time, we want to be like God without God.

I agree on frugality and ascetism, not being slave of the flesh, but I am not christian, I feel closer to gnosticism

>>520762207
>post links to prophecies by humans and false prophets
wow, really clever one are you?
when you humble yourself and seek God earnestly. he reveals his wisdom to you.
Revelation is already on the way since Jesus ascended and is 100% accurate along with all other prophecies of the bible.

>>520762360
>he makes the devil expose himself so we see how badly we need a savior.
"Why do you make me do this?"
the words of an abusive lover.
Sorry dude, but you got tricked. We have to look out for ourselves and each other, nobody is going to do it for us.

>>520762368
Agreed. There's a lot of wisdom in Christian teachings, but the whole truth just isn't there.

>>520762532
>We have to look out for ourselves and each other, nobody is going to do it for us.
so you rely on humans instead of God. see how well that turns out for you, I guess. remember that Jesus is always an arms length away once you realize how wrong you are.


5 Thus says the Lord:
“Cursed is the man who trusts in man
and makes flesh his strength,[a]
whose heart turns away from the Lord.
6 He is like a shrub in the desert,
and shall not see any good come.
He shall dwell in the parched places of the wilderness,
in an uninhabited salt land.

>>520761769
There is no Satan, there is only God

>>520762360
>God shows his glory by having mercy on sinners and the wicked for no reason at all
He could have showed his glory by making a perfect world instead of creating this world dominated by evil

>free will my dude, satan was a covering cherub, one of the highest and most glorious angels to ever exist, but he wanted to be like God. humanity makes the same mistake all the time, we want to be like God without God
Does God know what I'll eat for dinner tomorrow?

>>520762702
It's worked out pretty well so far. Like I said, most people are good. I help and they help me, and we're all gonna make it.

>>520761134
/pol/ is the only place kikes call Christianity jewish instead of antisemitic

>>520762744
>He could have showed his glory by making a perfect world
it was, until Adam rebelled against God.
>Does God know what I'll eat for dinner tomorrow?
he is the one that provided it.

>>520762752
I know you dont see it now. I simply gave you the address to your savior once your house of cards falls apart.

>>520763089
>it was, until Adam rebelled against God
Why didn't God make Adam perfect so that he didn't fall to temptation?

>he is the one that provided it
If God knows what I'll eat tomorrow then no force in the universe can change that meal. It is predetermined

>>520762744
You call it God, I call it Demiurge. It's the same, the principle of Tao.

>>520759625
>Human sacrifice is evil. Torture and murder of the innocent for the sins of the wicked is evil. Punishing party A because of what party B did is evil and furthermore is the exact opposite of justice
No, your conflating the idea of what we usually think of human sacrifice (murder), with the idea of a human sacrificing himself. Is a soldier who sacrifices himself by jumping onto a grenade evil?

>f the wage of sin is eternal torture in lava, then why isn't Jesus in hell right now?
First this is a gross misconstruction. The wages of sin is not torture in lava but spiritual death ie spiritual darkness ie separation from God's light (the uncreated light). The fiery allusion to hell is a metaphor for experiencing the uncreated energy of God (being naked and in the full true presence of God) which has been revealed to be akin to hellish fire rather than purifying to the unrepentant. "

>mortal man pays for any sin with an eternity in hell. The math doesn't add up
Any unrepentant sin or without greater good deeds, this is the default condition for hell. Also Jesus is God he does not need to die an infinite amount of times

Does God know what I'll eat for dinner tomorrow?
Yes, he's God. God is the uncreated creator, henceforth, the cause of all things that are and that could be, for him to be God, he has divine providence, he is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent and etc. For him to lack any of these identifying powers of these ontological attributes, he wouldn't be the God that we, in our limited comprehension, can qualify and describe, which is the concept of a truly supreme God or cause above space, time, reality, and existence. If he lacked the power to know what you're going to do omnisciently, there would still be something beyond his power meaning he is not all powerful and that there is a power beyond him which is a greater and more supreme cause. Of course, we Christians believe and know this divine cause to be personal - God the Father.

>>520764098
The idea of self-sacrifice is alien to some people.

>>520764098
>Is a soldier who sacrifices himself by jumping onto a grenade evil?
A soldier that jumps on a grenade to save others is a hero. A soldier that throws a grenade at his friends then jumps on it is insane

God is all powerful, no? So he could have made a perfect world without any sin. If he's all powerful then he never needed to sacrifice Jesus at all, making it merely a sadomasochist larp. Like throwing and then jumping on a grenade

>If he lacked the power to know what you're going to do omnisciently, there would still be something beyond his power meaning he is not all powerful and that there is a power beyond him which is a greater and more supreme cause
Well if he already knows my dinner tomorrow then it's predetermined. If he knows I'll eat a steak then neither I nor any force in the universe can change that meal

>>520763472
>Why didn't God make Adam perfect so that he didn't fall to temptation?
how many new Adams and Eves do you think will live with him in eternity?
>It is predetermined
yes, that the point of it. God is sovereign. but what makes you think having food on the table is a guarantee? give thanks to the Lord God that you are not starving.

>>520763493
Demiurge is gnostic bullshit interpretation of Satan and a conflation of him with the modernly misunderstood actions of God in the OT. There is no such thing, there is only Satan and he is not a god but very powerful celestial entity permitted by God. He was originally God's second in command, the highest of his angel's but his position as much as we know made him prideful and with inception of Man (who were intended to be above the angels) he became jealous. The notion of the demiurge is a gnostic gross misunderstanding of God and Satan. You would do yourself well to no longer subscribe to this Neo-platonic + Ancient Mysteries fused with Christianity gobbledygook.

>>520764648
>He doesn't know time is paradoxical
Omniscience doesn't necessitate determinism.
Knowledge ≠ causation
>>520765220
Funny, because Christ's message has much more to do with Neoplatonism or Zoroastrianism than with judeo-christianism.
>God = Good
>Devil = Evil
Yes, there's a hierarchy where Goodness is on top, but it's still dependant on Evil, at least in this realm of shadows.

>>520766882
>Omniscience doesn't necessitate determinism
>>Knowledge ≠ causation
God is literally the cause though. He's the explicit creator of all things. The omniscience of THE CREATOR necessitates determinism

God knows what I'll eat for dinner tomorrow. He knew that meal 10,000 years ago and an infinity before that. In addition he knew whether I would go to heaven or hell before creating me and before creating the universe

God knowing the future (omniscience) as well as being the creator of all things means that he knew every single rape, every murder, every sinner cast eternally into hell BEFORE he made the universe. He could have changed any of it with the barest portion of his will, yet he chose this world with all of the horrendous evil anyways

>>520765220
>>520766882
In fact, that hierarchy you talk about comes straight out of the Enneads, contradicting youself.
But it's okay, neoplatonic and gnostic teachings aren't for everyone, that's why myths (biblical too) have always been used for the ignorant masses. That doesn't make you right and me wrong. It only shows that you're unable to understand deeper concepts.

>>520767355
Watch >>520762259

>>520764648
You're either a fool or intentionally misconstruing the truth of Christ.
>God is all powerful, no? So he could have made a perfect world without any sin.
It was called Eden, it was the union of Heaven (where God dwells now) and the Earth etc, the state of our cosmic world and reality before the Fall, which caused the separation between the two. From the Fall, the world became imperfect. Why did God allow this and not just redo everything? Because he's loving and merciful and so loving, he allows freewill, even evil wills as in the devil who deceived us. If you're going to ask why the Flood, that was an instance where things were so bad that (likely because of the Nephilim's terrible presence) that to save humanity, he had to destroy the evil in the world.
>If he's all powerful then he never needed to sacrifice Jesus at all,
No, Christ death more than necessary because through him our mortal human nature was sanctified both in his life and death. Sanctifying and redeeming us. If he just did it without Christ's incarnation, the gospel, his crucifixion, and resurrection in all it wouldn't be as meaningful; he would just be forcing reality upon us without us choosing to accept which is the degree of his unyielding love that he allows us to commit the worst transgressions but again this doesn't mean they're won't be consequences. God isn't interested in punishing; rather, we punish ourselves by rejecting him who is all goodness and love. And our common misconception that he is concerned with punishing and unlovingly ordering us around just shows how small-minded and shallow we are, which again is because of the Fall.
making it merely a sadomasochist larp. Like throwing and then jumping on a grenade

>>520767355
You're confusing primary cause with secondary cause.
Yes, God is the Creator and therefore the first cause of everything that exists, but that doesn’t mean He is the direct or deterministic cause of every individual event or decision. Being the creator of a world that contains free beings isn’t the same as micromanaging or compelling every one of their actions. Creation establishes the conditions for freedom, not the coercion of outcomes.
Think of it like this: an author creates characters who truly make choices within the story’s world. The author is the cause of the story’s existence, but not the moral agent behind every act the characters commit. Likewise, God causes existence itself, but He also creates beings capable of real, independent action: secondary causes. When a human being chooses evil, that evil arises from the misuse of the freedom God granted, not from God’s will.
If God had created a world where no one could ever choose wrongly, then He wouldn’t have created persons but automatons. Freedom entails risk (the possibility of evil), but it also allows the possibility of genuine love, virtue, and moral growth. So yes, God is the ultimate cause in the metaphysical sense, but He isn’t the efficient cause of every moral choice. He creates the stage and the actors, but the drama that unfolds belongs to them.

In short: God’s creative act establishes the freedom that makes evil possible, but it doesn’t make Him its author.

>>520764648
your thinking is way to worldly.
God is playing ∞D chess with the highest created angel that claims to be God.

>>520768740
>Think of it like this: an author creates characters who truly make choices within the story’s world. The author is the cause of the story’s existence, but not the moral agent behind every act the characters commit. Likewise, God causes existence itself, but He also creates beings capable of real, independent action: secondary causes. When a human being chooses evil, that evil arises from the misuse of the freedom God granted, not from God’s will.
Everything that occurs in a book is the direct will of the Author

>So yes, God is the ultimate cause in the metaphysical sense, but He isn’t the efficient cause of every moral choice. He creates the stage and the actors, but the drama that unfolds belongs to them
He created the stage and the actors knowing all that would ever occur though. He could have created a world in which no child was ever raped, and he foreknew every child rape, yet he chose to not prevent them

If you make a building knowing that it will burst into flames on a specific date, and that day comes and tons of children die in the flames, you are evil

>>520768659
>From the Fall, the world became imperfect. Why did God allow this and not just redo everything? Because he's loving and merciful
Allowing the world to fall into a horrendous den of evil is not loving nor merciful

>he allows freewill, even evil wills as in the devil who deceived us
The Creators omniscience and freewill are directly contradictory. We merely have the illusion of freewill. God foreknew ever rape and murder before creating the world

>No, Christ death more than necessary because through him our mortal human nature was sanctified both in his life and death. Sanctifying and redeeming us
A perfect creation wouldn't need redemption. An omnipotent deity could sanctify anything he desired at any time with the barest portion of his will

If God is omnipotent then the torture and sacrifice of Jesus was unnecessary

>If he just did it without Christ's incarnation, the gospel, his crucifixion, and resurrection in all it wouldn't be as meaningful
If a human parent chose to make their work meaningful through the sacrifice of their child they would be called a monster and sentenced to prison. Yet when God does it you call it divine love

>>520765220
>Demiurge is gnostic bullshit interpretation
Demiurge is Greek Δημιουργός and means Creator
The Gnostic heresy tries to claim he is the evil god when Christianity teaches that Satan is incapable of creating anything/

>>520768916
>your thinking is way to worldly
How? All I did was make an analogy. Jesus too, made analogies, so how is that worldly, so Christ was worldly lolol.
>God is playing ∞D chess with the highest created angel that claims to be God.
>says im thinking worldly proceeds to anthropomorphize the relationship between God and Satan lmao
>Reduce theologically cosmic reality to a chess game lol.
Also this chess analogy is incorrect because it presupposes that Satan is on the same plane and level as God and that there is an equal rivalry of some kind. God is not the rival of Satan but Satan is the rival of God, mutally exclusive. Satan is beneath God. Evil is not the opposite brother of good in a manner of speaking. Evil is the rebellion of the good, it is below/beneath good. Evil is dependent on the existence of good; it is a lower existence. Satan cannot attack God so he attacks us.

>>520769746
Amen brother

>>520770122
you underestimate spiritual powers and beings.

>>520769645
You don't understand what you're talking about. You'd stand no chance against any Catholic or Orthodox theologian or any apologist for that matter. You keep misconstruing and twisting my statements because it's the only way you can try to make your point, that God is le bad. You bad faith and ignorant, it is pointless to continue arguing with you. I'd only be wasting my time, some other anon can deal with your foolishness. Good day.

>>520770479
Clown it is you who is underestimating and being reductionist.

>>520769593
>direct will of the Author
Tell me you know nothing about good creative writing without telling me.
>b-but He knew it all
You're stuck in a limited, human perspective, assuming God operates like a human with the same moral logic. But the divine purpose and the nature of suffering are beyond this simple hylic understanding.
>flawed building analogy
If a builder designs a structure that burns due to human error, the builder isn’t morally culpable for the fire. God’s foreknowledge of evil doesn’t make Him responsible for it. Evil actions are the result of human choice, not divine intent.

>>520770122
>>520770669
22 And Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him, saying, “Far be it from you, Lord![a] This shall never happen to you.” 23 But he turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a hindrance[b] to me. For you are not setting your mind on the things of God, but on the things of man.”

>>520770521
>You don't understand what you're talking about. You'd stand no chance against any Catholic or Orthodox theologian or any apologist for that matter.
Appeal to authority

>You keep misconstruing and twisting my statements because it's the only way you can try to make your point, that God is le bad
A tree is known by its fruit. A man is known by his works. I look around me and see an evil world, which leads to the logical conclusion that God is evil

>You bad faith and ignorant, it is pointless to continue arguing with you. I'd only be wasting my time, some other anon can deal with your foolishness. Good day.
Concession accepted

>>520770764
>You're stuck in a limited, human perspective, assuming God operates like a human with the same moral logic. But the divine purpose and the nature of suffering are beyond this simple hylic understanding.
I assume that God is completely amoral based on observation of his creation. As a human being trying to navigate the world I see that all of life seeks happiness and avoids suffering, making these the objective measurements for morality from my limited, mortal viewpoin

>If a builder designs a structure that burns due to human error, the builder isn’t morally culpable for the fire
But God MADE THE PEOPLE. Why are a perfect Gods creations bugging up?

>God’s foreknowledge of evil doesn’t make Him responsible for it. Evil actions are the result of human choice, not divine intent
Why are a perfect and good Gods creations filled with evil? Your claim and conclusions make no sense
>there is a wholly perfect and absolutely good God that made a broken realm filled with evil people

>>520771467
do you not understand the basics?
"you can be like God" was the lie that made man fall. every person is playing their own god and thus this world is bad because we are not God.
thats why repentance is so important, its setting your mind right by making God God and you yourself man. thats how you come out of the evil of this world. stop larping as God.

>>520771467
Because this world is just a filter to separate gold from dross.

>>520771881
>"you can be like God" was the lie that made man fall
Why didn't God make man perfect so he wouldn't fall for the lies of a talking snake?

>>520772023
>Because this world is just a filter to separate gold from dross
But God already knows the results. What you say would be reasonable if God was some advanced alien, but for an omnipotent and omniscient being any test/filtration is a larp: again because the results are already known

>>520772245
>Why didn't God make man perfect so he wouldn't fall for the lies of a talking snake?
so you have a choice. without choice we would just be robots without our own will.

>>520772522
Do people have choices in heaven? Does evil exist in heaven?

>>520772883
>Do people have choices in heaven?
yes, you always have a choice.
>Does evil exist in heaven?
no

>>520771467
>Why are a perfect and good Gods creations filled with evil?
picrel is the answer to this from the Platonic philosopher Supreme Court of Athens justice student of Apostle Paul (from Acts 17) and 1st Bishop of Athens

>>520772245
Why do you keep changing IP?
>God already knows the results
You experience time linearly, but it all exists simultaneously. You think of God as a skydaddy, but he's only a pure stream of consciousness. You're good/gold/worthy when you align with the purity of its Truth. You're evil/noise/toxic when you separate yourself from it.
You're not your reflection in the mirror.
>>520772883
>>520773003
Evil exists in heaven, otherwise you'd have no choice. It's just that, even though it exists, everyone chooses not to manifest it.

>>520773242
>Evil exists in heaven, otherwise you'd have no choice.
you receive a new glorious body in the resurrection. you will never sin again since its self sabotage. evil will not exist, only various choices of good.

>>520773360
Evil still exists as a far memory, since only those who rejected it can leave the cave.

>>520773794
Heaven on Earth will be far to good to even remember the past and the evil.

“Behold, the dwelling place[a] of God is with man. He will dwell with them, and they will be his people,[b] and God himself will be with them as their God.[c] 4 He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away.”

>>520774027
"Those who cannot remember the past are doomed to repeat it." Santayana

>>520773242
>Why do you keep changing IP?
I'm phoneposting and it changes my IP constantly. Evidently thousands of people share IPs this way. With my last cellphone service I would occasionally discover myself randomly banned on /pol/ because of some hideous tranny namefag called Daria on the /lgbt/ board getting the shared IP banned

Speaking of which I've been debating theology like a retard on 4chan for almost 7 fucking hours now holy shit. I'm gonna make this my last post and find something better to do

>You think of God as a skydaddy, but he's only a pure stream of consciousness. You're good/gold/worthy when you align with the purity of its Truth. You're evil/noise/toxic when you separate yourself from it
This is reasonable. I don't think separation from an omnipresent deity is possible but we can definitely raise or lower our vibration into heaven or hell metaphorically speaking

>>520773036
Can you summarize this post in your own words? My brain is mostly fried right now from quitting caffeine and I've been coping by debating theology all day on 4chan

Peace and prosperity to all of you

>>520774238
what are you not getting about receiving a new glorious body?

>>520774298
>Can you summarize this post in your own words?
only by plagiarizing St Athanasius:
>God Exists
>God can only Create Good
>evil is nonexistence
>(You) not God
>(You) are made out of nihil
>therefore everything Good about (You) is Created by God
>everything else corrupted by evil to return to natural state of nonexistence
>God allows this for evil to improve creation by increasing non-imperfection
freewill does not factor into the equation because a Good God can not give you the ability to choose evil

>>520774445
>biblical literalism
Why are you afraid of its presence? Tempting maybe?
Sorry, but you're showing indoctrination where I'm adhering to philosophical coherence.
Different lens.

>>520775538
the tempter is thrown into the lake of fire, you know. there is no more temptation.
if you have to sully your biblical understanding with human philosophies thats your problem.

>>520743472 (OP)
>one meal per day, a plain meal, consisting of some beans and rice and maybe a vegetable. It's all you need to keep you alive.
You head me up until this part. One meal a day is fine but you need protein my nigga. Of the animal variety. You will turn into a vegan gaywad and die of faggotry if you don't get enough meat.

>>520745475
>the existence and material world on the other hand are definitely not created by flawed people
Even worse, it's created by the sneaky demiurge that the jews worship. And you, since you fell for the trick.

>>520775732
You're confusing biblical literalism with spiritual purity and dismissing philosophy as if thinking critically about your faith is somehow a problem. The idea that the tempter is thrown into the lake of fire doesn’t mean freedom of choice is erased in heaven. Without freedom, there’s no real love or virtue, just passive existence. Is that your vision of eternity? I thought you were defending the opposite just a few posts ago...
Also, claiming that philosophy sullies the gospel is pure intellectual laziness. Philosophy helps us understand and explore deeper truths in the Bible. Christianity itself is built on philosophical foundations and rejecting it only limits your faith.

You want easy answers, not growth. You’re too afraid to ask difficult questions because it challenges your comfort. I’m not spoiled by philosophy; I’m using it to understand the greatest mystery that has ever been. The real question is, do you want to genuinely understand your faith, or are you just content with thinking your book already has all the answers?

>>520776573
>Without freedom, there’s no real love or virtue, just passive existence. Is that your vision of eternity?
you know there are infinite choices of good, right?
do you visit God today, do you tell others the glorious works God did through you, do you meet up with other believers you want to meet, do you want to discuss the glory of the Lord with angels, do you want to eat from the tree of life, do you want to build or do something that glorifies God etc.
the choices are infinite.

>>520776999
Am just baskin on creation thank you very much

>>520776573
>Also, claiming that philosophy sullies the gospel is pure intellectual laziness. Philosophy helps us understand and explore deeper truths in the Bible.
everything extra biblical sullies your understanding of scripture at best. we are to be spiritual virgins, not harlots. so always be careful what you entertain with your mind in faith.
>You want easy answers, not growth. You’re too afraid to ask difficult questions because it challenges your comfort.
bitch you dont know my life. I reject doctrines of demons because I was neck deep into them. I was so deep in error that it made me filthy to the core.
gnosticism is satanism made to look deep but its absolute garbage. dont swim in garbage when you can have a pure faith in God.

>>520743472 (OP)
Dis nigga has never heard of "feast days".

You won't make it one week as any kind of ascetic if you had to give up gooning or the internet.

>>520777216
You've chosen active ignorance.

>>520778793
no, its filtering out all the bullshit that is pushed and are lies of the devil.

>>520778902
Hmm. What's your day to day life look like? Don't doxx yourself, I'm just wondering what led to this opinion of yours.

>>520776999
First, I’m not rejecting the idea that heaven offers infinite choices of good, or that our eternal existence will be filled with joyful, free choices in God's presence. But my point is that true freedom, the freedom to love and choose good, presupposes the possibility of evil. If there’s no real contrast, no real choice, then we’re just passive participants in a preordained script. I’m talking about real, meaningful freedom that comes from understanding both sides of the spectrum, which is why I emphasized that the memory of evil must exist as a contrast in heaven. Only that way can you understand the true value of goodness. That’s not a rejection of God’s goodness; it’s recognizing the necessary conditions for genuine moral freedom.
As for philosophy, it’s clear that you see it as a danger to pure faith. But the idea that anything extra-biblical "sullies" our understanding of scripture is retarded. The Bible wasn’t written in a vacuum. It was influenced by the cultures and philosophies of its time, and many of the early Church Fathers were deeply involved in philosophical thought. They didn’t discard it; they integrated it into their faith, which strengthened their understanding of it. Faith and reason aren’t enemies, they’re complementary. There’s a reason God gave us intellect, to better understand His creation and His will. I believe that true wisdom comes from engaging with the world honestly and deeply, examining the questions of faith without fear. You can reject error without rejecting reason. I don’t want a "blind faith" that doesn’t ask tough questions. I want a faith that is strengthened by understanding.

>>520779140
studying the truth and resisting the devil.
having the gift of discerning spirits is a blessing but has its downsides.
the moment I entertain doctrines of demons I become painfully aware of the ramifications. you need to be in top form to discern truth from lie in this day and age or its fuck around and find out.
God gave us easy access to his Word and study material for a reason, use it and dont fall for lies.
you can for example easily look up the religion of satan, the kabbalah, on youtube for example to study the teachings and tactics of the enemy.

>>520779187
I dont want to remember this world build on child sacrifice for one second in heaven.
> It was influenced by the cultures and philosophies of its time, and many of the early Church Fathers were deeply involved in philosophical thought. They didn’t discard it; they integrated it into their faith, which strengthened their understanding of it.
and they brought in many corruptions with it. the modern churches are the result of church fathers not being on point and allowing false doctrines to enter.
>I believe that true wisdom comes from engaging with the world honestly and deeply
true wisdom comes from God. even a single drop of it will shatter your world in regard on how fake everything from science to philosophies is. the true wisdom of God is what I cherish more than anything, the wonders and perfection of the Word of God is unchallenged when compared with human understanding and knowledge.
>I don’t want a "blind faith" that doesn’t ask tough questions.
you can ask God about everything in the bible and he will deliver you the answers on a silver platter. thats the beauty of pure faith. wait for the Lord to deliver you answers, dont fall for the fast and easy answers the devil presents to you.

>>520779450
God's 2000 year old word.

>>520780227
its still stand true to this day.
easy way to filter someone is to ask him if Genesis is the true account of history.
if your foundation is wrong the whole faith crumbles.

>>520743829
First quote is fake
good lesson to anyone to never trust a christian
Thanks

Because responses to this are very bot/npc in linkness, I use Ai to help those bots
use bots for bots, makes sense; tldr-- biological life was meant to be slavery, it's much more cost efficient than anything else
memes are reality and just like the meme goes, "the only winning move is to not play"

1. The rarity of extreme suffering doesn’t nullify the moral question

Anti-natalism isn’t based on the statistical likelihood of suffering — it’s about the inevitability of suffering.

Every life contains pain: physical, emotional, existential. The fact that some forms are rare doesn’t erase the universal baseline.

Saying “it’s rare, so it doesn’t matter” is a moral cop-out. If you’d find it unacceptable to guarantee one person’s suffering for your enjoyment, then creating a life knowing suffering is unavoidable still demands ethical scrutiny.

The argument treats suffering like a roll of the dice, but ethics isn’t about luck — it’s about consent and responsibility.

2. Risk accepted for oneself ≠ risk imposed on another

The comparison to walking across the street is a category error.

You can choose to take personal risks.

A child, however, doesn’t consent to being placed in a world where pain, illness, and death are inevitable.

Choosing for someone else to face suffering — no matter the odds — is fundamentally different from accepting risk for yourself.

>>520743472 (OP)
>i am le ascetic monk everyone should be like me
nigger chill out and eat a QPC

>>520762977
No, almost all of 4chan does, and all the other chans, also the only places you can say that without being censored

>>520780352
What happened to everyone who lived and died before Jesus?

>>520780379
???
44 You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

>>520780548

3. Pathologizing disagreement is not an argument

Calling people “cowards,” “autistic,” or “traumatized” is not a refutation — it’s emotional avoidance.

This line of attack is a defense mechanism: by reducing a worldview to “personal weakness,” the poster sidesteps its ethical substance.

Philosophical positions don’t vanish because the person holding them once felt anxious or hurt.

It’s an appeal to masculinity, not logic — trying to shame others into conformity rather than reason with them.

4. Meaning is not biologically assigned

To say “you missed the point of life by not reproducing” presumes a universal purpose. But meaning isn’t handed out by nature — it’s created individually.

If life’s point were reproduction, then everything from bacteria to rabbits would be “more meaningful” than humans who write philosophy or compose music.

Reproduction is an instinct, not a value system. Turning instinct into moral law is just anthropomorphized Darwinism.

People can live rich, purposeful lives without reproducing — through art, mentorship, compassion, or introspection.

>>520780559
waiting for the resurrection, like everyone else.

>>520780624
But they never heard the word, or its teachings. Are they all fucked, or what?

>>520762207

Mostly protestants, one catholic bishop and one heretic sect from 150 AD.

Christ is king

>>520780548
this is what jews tell to stupid goyim women so that they don't have kids

>>520780677
man, read the the bible for answers. there were people in the OT that knew the Lord that are not part of the israelites.
and those that dont know the Lord God are judged according to their deeds.
do you think God is a mindless tyrant? every possibility and every circumstance is taken account off.
those that have faith are told to be pure in faith in the Lord and not be like israel that entertained different gods.

>>520743472 (OP)
middle eastern sand religion

the Nag Hammadi/Gnostic "bible" is the correct version of the bible, Jesus is even in it

>>520780913
no its satanic garbage.
t. nag hammadi gnostic

>>520780893
The OT is null and void, that was the whole point of Jesus doing what he did.

>>520780971
aaaand this is where you lose all credibility
>>520780893
how can you be judged when the writing of the bible says you can only be saved on the faith of Jesus ????????????????

>>520780994
are you retarded?
if you take Jesus out of the OT you have nothing left. he is told about and prophecised about everywhere in the OT.
keeping the levitical laws doesnt make you righteous, faith makes you righteous but the OT is still true.

>>520780971
wait i know you, your that german turkroach poster, lmao how many years have you been doing this?

>>520781070
>when the writing of the bible says you can only be saved on the faith of Jesus
read Revelation.
faith in Jesus Christ gives you assurance in being saved, but that also means to keep the commandments and do the Will of the Father.

>>520781125
And you call yourself a Christian?

The whole point of Christ's self sacrifice was to fulfill the demands of the Old Testament and free humanity from the requirements of that sacrifice and those rules. The New Testament is all that matters, in your own religion.

>>520781153
do you see me spamming archive links?

>>520781235
the OT and NT are not separable.
what applied to israel in the OT applies to the Church now.
its a continuation, not a removal.
keeping the commandments is still something Jesus preached and is mentioned in Revelation.
the law simply doesnt save you or any sacrifices. the sacrifices have been done away with since Jesus was the all sufficient sin sacrifice.

>>520743472 (OP)
I have checked out of the jewish prison bus

>quit wagie job
>sold everything I had in my name
>all property I own is in somebody else name
>stopped renewing IDs
>stopped paying taxes
>stopped paying car insurance/plates
>free groceries and free techslop (lots of it is hidden in the back nowadays but there are still plenty on the shelves)
Fridge is always packed, I have no bills, obligations, responsibilities or worries.

I am free.

>>520744102
>>520743566
Beware of overconcern for money, or position, or glory. Someday you will meet a man who cares for none of these things. Then you will know how poor you are.

Rudyard Kipling

>>520781535
>208 results
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/search/text/%22stopped%20renewing%20IDs%22/

>>520779450
>resisting the devil
And in doing so you conflated reason with evil.
You talk about philosophy and gnosticism as if they were monolithic doctrines when they're vast fields of different schools of thought, often aiming at liberating yourself so you're free to develop the tools required for actual discernment. It's the same as saying all music is bad. It's absolute retardation.
>>520779929
>I dont want to
Ah, so you admit you're being carried over by emotion instead of awareness or logic.
"The road to Hell is paved with good intentions."
You're not studying, just hiding under the Bible, (edited by jews btw). You're not discerning shit, you're avoiding it because it scares you. Your demoralization is limiting you. You're too scared to fail so you rely on your book without even considering that it (or your interpretation) may be wrong.
God doesn't speak to you, schizo, only through different sources and the blanks between them. He only guides you through them, but first you need to set sail.

>>520782315
>often aiming at liberating yourself so you're free to develop the tools
see, that exactly what it does. "You can save yourself", the same lie as "You can be like God". thats why they are satanic doctrines. they come from the first lie of satan.

>Ah, so you admit you're being carried over by emotion instead of awareness or logic.
>"The road to Hell is paved with good intentions."
>You're not studying, just hiding under the Bible, (edited by jews btw). You're not discerning shit, you're avoiding it because it scares you. Your demoralization is limiting you. You're too scared to fail so you rely on your book without even considering that it (or your interpretation) may be wrong.
the bible and God speak clearly about sacrificing children to Moloch, we see this today on a worldwide scale.
you bitch nigger have no idea in what world you live in and suck up to satan. relying on the bible alone is the only way to defeat satan. you lt any of that worldly filth in you are in his snares and wont make it without Jesus.
>He only guides you through them, but first you need to set sail.
wrong, God initiates. not you. God does everything. and he talks to you like he wants, not like you want. your the pupil, he is the teacher, so shut up and sit down.

>>520743472 (OP)
Asceticism in all areas of life brings immense clarity. The more you refine it, the more powerful the experience.
Why the fuck did you need to write so much just to explain that simple and obvious principle?

>>520782710
You keep repeating “God does everything” as if that’s humility, but it’s really an excuse to stop thinking. If God truly did everything, there would be no sin, no choice, no love, just puppets. Yet the whole drama of Scripture depends on human response. You can’t worship a God of justice while denying the very freedom that makes justice possible.
And no, searching for understanding isn’t “trying to be God.” It’s obeying the first command ever given to the mind: to know. If using the reason God placed in you is satanic, then every prophet who questioned, argued, or wrestled with God was serving the devil. You’ve confused obedience with fear.
You talk about “worldly filth,” but the real filth is the pride that makes you think ignorance is purity. The saints you claim to follow studied philosophy, language, logic... because they knew that Truth can’t contradict God. They sailed, while you sit in the harbor, yelling that the ocean is demonic.
If your faith collapses the moment someone asks you to think, it isn’t faith, it’s superstition. So before you tell anyone to “sit down,” maybe stand up in your own mind for once and ask yourself whether your certainty is really courage or just fear wearing Scripture as armor. Or you can keep retreating into authoritarian dogmatic certainty to avoid having your brittle worldview unravelled, Idgaff.

>>520780569
So the quote is fake
Thanks for proving me right retard

>>520784411
you dont listen. God teaches you. you never stop learning and growing, but according to God. he is your teacher, he has endless material. you dont stop thinking and studying, its all you ever do.
its discernment of what is of God and what is of satan that makes the difference. you can only do that if God guides you steps or you are lost and will fall.

>>520784677
In 47 posts you've contradicted yourself several times. Study that.

>>520743472 (OP)
ubi will make it real
people and especially americans are fiting it tooth and nail but its the last step to freedom
i agree with you i too dont want to own anything and be happy while the richfags eat themselves alive just to feel something, anything

>>520784850
no, you simply have no understanding.
you advocate to gobble up all kinds of teachings and philosophies.
I say the Word of God is truth and anything that is not compatible and teaches contrary to the truth is a false teaching and should be rejected.

>>520745322
>we should improve the society somewhat
>yet you participate in it im so clver.jpg

>>520743876
Eating only bread will result in a ton of physical and mental illnesses.
You said "think of the holy men of times past" but this is just a fantasy you entertain in your imagination. You haven't said a single name, date, place, or any fact to prove that these "holy men" actually existed, actually ate nothing but bread for their whole lives, didn't suffer from obvious chronic illnesses due to malnutrition, and you completely ignore that high-quality food is more difficult to obtain these days---wheat has been hybridized and bred like crazy into a form that barely resembles the original. Crops are covered in pesticides, herbicides, fungicides, pollution runoff, and contain sub-ten percent of the nutrients they used to even a hundred years ago, due to being cultivated in a highly unnatural way, with nitrogen fertilizers being dumped on them to promote growth even in completely dead soil. The other guy was right when he said you had no idea what you're talking about. You sound very similar to insane progressives who can only speak of ideals yet with no grasp of reality as their foundation for a feasible plan. As a human, I am insulted that you'd pretend to be enlightened or more knowledgeable than your detractors when your head is way up in the clouds and you haven't yet said a single factual thing.

>>520745475
>>520745358
>>520745033
okay what the fuck, NOWHERE in the Christian Bible does it say
>"All the world has been cursed by God and turned wicked."
You faggots literally made that up, or pulled it from some YA fantasy novel that you've confused for the bible. I can't believe this crap.

YOU NIGGERS BETTER NOT ACTUALLY BE AI HALLUCINATING

>>520743472 (OP)
Paisios was a con artist misanthrope that claimed he was curing cancer to end up dying from cancer. Also Greek religioufags normies that glorify him as a saint fell up for his "miracles" including his imaginary fight with a Shaolin monk.
https://www.orthodoxpath.org/saints-and-elders-witnesses/elder-paisios-young-george-far-east/

>>520781510
Wrong.

>>520785003
You’re right about one thing: the Word of God is Truth. Truth can be found in the Bible or Christ as well as in many other sources, not every source though. But your approach to it is so rigid that it’s become a prison, not a path to understanding. You will never be able to see the whole Truth, but limiting your understanding to a single book is pure Sloth. You claim to reject “false teachings,” but you’re constantly grasping at different, contradictory ideas and trying to make them fit your narrow worldview. You’re not finding truth; you’re finding comfort in certainty. Reminds me of the Zen story of the monk drawing circles in the sand, then erasing them.
If you truly believe that everything outside your limited interpretation is “false,” then you’ve just made God’s creation smaller than your mind can grasp. We both know that’s not how the divine works. The world is a complex tapestry that requires both faith and reason to navigate. But your worldview is brittle because it's purely based on strict dogmatic teachings, not conclusions you arrived at by yourself. You're a receptor. By studying the Bible you're learning only small percentage of the Truth. That 0,00...1% is enough for you, ngmi. We'll never know the totality of God in this life, and until the last point is learnt, we'll never know if we're wrong or right for sure. Maybe that last piece of knowledge causes a paradigm shift. That's what faith truly means, the "opposite" of certainty, but the more you know, the closer you are to not being wrong/evil in the end, the closer your faith can be to the certainty of God/goodness. "Truth shall set you free."
You want easy answers. I’m here for real truth, even when it’s uncomfortable. So, if you’re done with real discussion, then I’ll leave you to your convictions. No need to keep repeating the same circular arguments. I’ve said my piece, and I’m done here.

>>520788870
>the Word of God is Truth
Not a single one of us know the actual word of God, we've only read translations. Unless you are fluent in Hebrew and have an original copy, we're all just assuming that nobody fucked with any of the versions available to us.

>>520786628
this is fucking daily on /pol/ man
christfags really can't square being on the antisemitism board with their kike on a stick god

>>520788950
>God is Truth

>>520789143
The language of God is life and movement, but also death and stillness.

Asceticism is linked with gay behavior.

No man would willingly swear off sex. But for a gay who is prohibited from having gay sex, lest he be killed, it's no big deal to become an ascetic.

Asceticism is totally alien to Jewish law except for people who chose to become Nazirites, who would abstain from alcohol.

This is until the essenes (a gay sect that influenced Jesus and his followers).

Homosexuality is an incredibly evil sin, it causes so much destruction to a group of people.

>>520789228
Like Persephone is both floral maiden and queen of death, yeah.

>>520789143
Hebrew is the real language of god. All other languages are shit.

But even though gentile races and gentile languages are inferior to the Jews, they were still made in the image of God, and they should be respected.

>>520789454
Strength is the highest virtue. All the rest mean nothing without it.

What is charity, if you have nothing to give?

What is chastity, if nobody wants you?

What is humility, if you have nothing to be proud of?

etc etc. Virtues mean nothing unless you are strong and capable.

>>520789622
Virtue and Sin behave like levers.

>>520789622
Strength alone isn't a virtue. It's how it's used and what drives it that truly matters. In an on itself, is neutral. A tool that can be used for both good and evil. And the other virtues you mentioned are not dependant on strength.

>>520743472 (OP)
Just eat big to get big. Lets leave humanity behind.

>>520790173
>>520791169
Point is, the other virtues are powerless, useless, without strength behind them.

>>520791234
>driving a car
>look in the rearview mirror
>see humanity
>stomp on the accelerator
only way to live

>>520791235
Virtues aren't useless without strength. They stand on their own: charity is about compassion, chastity is about self-discipline, and humility is about recognizing truth. Strength supports virtues, but they can exist and thrive without it. In fact, most times true strength comes from these inner virtues themselves.
Virtue isn’t about one trait outshining the others; it’s the balance of virtues that leads to a truly great person. Strength, when isolated, can become arrogance or aggression, but when combined with compassion, self-restraint, and wisdom, it becomes something that truly contributes to the good of others.
If strength were the highest virtue, then the strongest person would automatically be the most virtuous. But that’s clearly not true in practice. The person who can overpower others isn’t necessarily someone who is using their strength for a higher purpose, they could be a bully or a tyrant. True strength is defined by how you choose to use it.

what if we all just agreed to each kill a jew

>>520794648
You could kill them all, but you can't kill Gauss curve, so a new set of evil retards would emerge.

>>520750445
ascetics are the only thing standing between you coomer-consoomers and the abyss. you animals feed your enemies
> kikes (usury)
> women (porn/simps)
> niggers (rap/sportsball)
> faggots/trannies (corporations)
> ragheads (car culture)
> spics (mcmansions)
to the point of obesity, then chimp out as soon as your cupboard is bare. if you would have simply controlled yourselves, things never would have gotten so bad.