Thread 521230877

What happened to the atheist movement of the early 2010s?

>>521230877 (OP)
It morphed in to feminism and nigger cock love.

A guy asked a girl over for coffee in an elevator. The rest was history.

>>521230877 (OP)
this thread again??????????

Turns out bananas are radioactive so shoving them up your arse is not a smart idea.

>>521230877 (OP)
They got raptured.

They ran out of things to talk about and everyone either became a turbo leftists or just dropped talking about atheism. What's there to say? There is no proof god is real and never was. There aren't enough religious people in the west to even be annoyed by them

remember when people worshiped “the four horsemen” ?

>>521230877 (OP)
Rationalists and naive realists all have a dogmatic desire to one-up the theists, so they lose sight of absolute truth and stay stuck in stage Green of Spiral Dynamics fighting with Stage Blue.

>>521230877 (OP)
Dawkins realized it was harmful

>>521230877 (OP)
Atheist "intellectuals" burned out, the nigger in your OP shoved a bannana up his ass, slippery slope turned atheism into trannyism.
Atheists took the mask off and publicly stopped hating "religion" and started protecting judaism and islam to spite christianity.
It became anti-white.
Gay, jewish, racial and marxist class division was pushed as the kosher debate instead of religion.
If you are an atheist you are guaranteed a söylent chugging fedora tipping redditor.

>>521230877 (OP)
reddit killed it by turning it cringe

>>521230877 (OP)
TJ looks Israelite. Too bad he became an atheist fag. He is a big man he could dominate. I wish I was as big and tall as him.

The Amazing Atheist would be considered a right-leaning chud nowadays

>>521230877 (OP)
what happened to all of the obnoxious CHEEEERRRIIIIIST IZZZZZ KAAAAANGGGG /pol/ posters?

>>521230877 (OP)
Atheism doesn't exist. It's a euphemism for apostate, Satanist, or jew. Internet atheism collapsed when jews tried turning it into atheism+ aka atheism+feminism. That's what directly led into the SJW OWNED Era of the internet.

Also Matt dillhunty married a tranny LOL

>>521230994
A guy at a python convention made a joke about dongles

>>521230877 (OP)
Tolerant retards allowed useful idiots to open the floodgates to extremely malevolent idealogues.

>>521230877 (OP)
It died out. The powers that be were threatened by people leaving the Christcuck reservation. So they killed it. Quite sad. But oh well. I'm still an atheist. Don't need Dawkins to reinforce it.

pic related

It became co-opted by nihilists.

>>521230877 (OP)
that poor banana…

>>521232293
Atheism by definition is nihilistic, hedonistic, Satanism
>BIG BANG MEANS LIFE IS MEANINGLESS
>EVOLUTION MEANS EVERYTHING IS RANDOM
>HAIL SCIENCE! (even though it's faith based and scientists don't know shit)
>CHRISTIANITY SUCKS BUT JUDAISM AND ISLAM ROCK!

>>521230877 (OP)
They won and moved on?

>>521232492
Look at this strawman

That's all these clowns do

They became the trans movement of the 2020s

>>521232689
What strawman? Atheists replace the monotheistic diety of Christianity with the atheistic diety of science and hedonism.

People who worship science as a religion have just as much faith as religious people, considering MOST peer reviewed science can't be replicated.

>>521232037
>Atheism doesn't exist
As long as there is theism then there will be atheism

>>521232912
>What strawman?
>>521232912
>Atheists replace the monotheistic diety of Christianity with the atheistic diety of science and hedonism.
Lol

>>521232912
>People who worship science
I don't

>>521230877 (OP)
It split two ways.
Most of them went hardcore loony troony left
The rest got chudpilled by the former's sudden heel turn into defending islam
the movement fell apart and the big players became mostly irrelevant

>>521230877 (OP)
The internet stopped being majority white.

Now you have spics, Muslims and Slavs posting on the internet, so there's a lot more religious people online

they realized that
1. christcucks are don't care about logical arguments and debates are a waste of time
2. atheism is rising anyway because religion is retarded and dying a slow death

My cousin and her husband are atheists, their 2 kids are very smart too, very intelligent for elementary age. Love them all so much, and our family doesn’t hate or bring it up because we all grew up with eachother having great memories.

I just wonder how my cousin and her husband are gonna feel when they get older and closer to death. Keep being an atheist or start believing in God. Who knows

>>521233208
I didn't make the connection at the time, but it fell off a year or two after the movement became centered around attacking Islam instead of Christianity, defeating its purpose.
Anybody remember Pat Condell? That sort of thing.

>>521230877 (OP)
It won. Atheism has doubled.

>>521233419
christmas is getting closer so they might start believing in santa as well

>>521230877 (OP)
Coffee and bananas

>>521230877 (OP)
They lost to Christian apologists.

>>521230877 (OP)
It's dead. Just like Las Vegas.

>>521230877 (OP)
He fucked his ass with a banana on Livestream. I have no idea why.

>>521230877 (OP)
What actually happened is that atheism movement, such as it was, was especially susceptible to the woke politics the elites used to divide and conquer the occupy movement, so it got hyper infected and imploded in a matter of years.

>>521231207
These were once the men in the news. Think about that.

>>521231883
The first video I watched of him was criticizing feminists.

>>521233885
>I have no idea why.
a woman told him to, she was the one who recorded and uploaded it
atheists are absolutely desperate for pussy
matt dilahunty was so desperate he's fucking a tranny now

>>521230877 (OP)
Deliberately targeted and destroyed by #MeToo rhetoric, as well as the same identity politics that was pointed at Occupy Wallstreet.

Current Christian revival led by Fuentes, Tucker and Charlie Kirk, along with nearly every other tough guy right-coded influencer on the planet? Totally organic.

Israel will cease to exist within 4 years, and there shall be a lot of kvetching along the way. The destination is already set. Atheists, and anti-christ all belong in destruction, dead, and Hell.

There shall be no Life without God.

All that oppose GOD will die, and be condemned to eternal damnation.

>>521233409
>Christians don't care about logical arguments and debates are a waste of time
post one that hasn't been handled already.
>what about the logical problem of--
plantinga killed it, it's dead
>what about the argument from scal--
hugh ross, next
>grr... divine hiddenness?
van til and shellenberg refuted
>f-f-fuck you! *sodomizes self with banana*

>>521230877 (OP)
They won and we got 15 years of the atheist paradise experience in america. Just imagine everything from 10 to now. Suddenly the kids are turning back to religion because they see how bad it is without it.

>>521230877 (OP)
they converted to christcuckantiy

>>521234244
They destroyed themselves. They essentially won the battle but kept trying to fight and ended up being annoying and stupid because they couldn't take their win and settle. Plus r/atheism completely ruined their "look".

>>521233409
>>521232172
Good goys

>>521231069
>just dropped talking about atheism
Lol

>>521231686
>atheist is an Israelite
many such cases

>>521233409
>>521233629
And look how much better society is because of that.

>>521230877 (OP)
They realized deism was far more rational and moved on, leaving only the retards and dogmatists people who only cling to atheism because of their hatred for religion. Everyone actually intelligent at least acknowledges a god that is not personal.

>>521230877 (OP)
still baffles me how a hat preference completely destroyed a movement that many modern people can relate and agree with. i cannot explain it with nothing other than divine intervention.

>>521234162
>atheists are absolutely desperate for pussy
Not really. According to surveys, we are seen as promiscuous

>>521230877 (OP)
You had 2000 years to get rid of the Jew. Instead you protected and empowered them. Christians destroyed every religion in Europe except Judaism, which they specifically protected. Also, the Jews were handed total control over the west whilst it was still 100% Christian. The damage was done long before the modern Atheist movements.

>>521230877 (OP)

There was a split between Atheism+, which was Atheism + all the progressive issues that became wokism. It split the community between people who wanted to keep the atheism movement restricted to opposing theism and those that like to inject their love of anus sex, poop smells, and genital mutilation into every facet of their life.

>>521230877 (OP)
Too many Americans got involved, especially women Americans from commifornia, and turned the movement cringe and gay.

We started with based nerds like Thunderfoot and Darkmatter talking about Christianity being stupid and Islam barbaric, and ended up a bunch of useless cunts like Rebecca Watson moaning that God Botherers won't let them murder their unborn children in the womb.
This then spawned gamergate and pound-metoo (which Rebecca Watson was an early crier about iirc, something about some dude in an elevator asking her to his room at an Atheism+ conference)

>>521232965
Atheism is a euphemism for apostate or Satanism.
>>521233056
I like how all atheists are peak midwit. You're 16. Now cut your kids dick off because Science™ says to. Also enjoy the Jewish LGBT child rape assembly line. It's Atheist™ approved!

>>521235142
That's not a good thing
>image that shows women are unable to be happily married after 1 premarital partner
NOOO NOT THAT SCIENCE!

>>521232172
Why are you not a deist of a panentheist?

Either the universe is created in which case deism is the most rational explanation for that or the universe is eternal in which case the universe is God since eternal is an attribute of God.

>>521231207
wonder what Dawkins thinks about his legacy

>>521234634
Do not fall for glownigger divide & conquer tactics.

Christianity is the definition of "right wing" political ideology:
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left%E2%80%93right_political_spectrum#Origins_in_the_French_Revolution

Christianity has always been a racist religion:
>"Oh, race of Franks, race from across the mountains, race chosen and beloved [...]"
>"the kingdom of the Persians, an accursed race, a race utterly alienated from God [...]"
- https://www2.cbn.com/article/church/pope-urban-iis-speech-calling-first-crusade

The racist and anti-semitic Confederates have always been Christian.
The National Socialists used the Celtic cross and gave out iron cross medals for bravery. The white term for "swastika" is hakenkreuz, meaning hooked cross.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hakenkreuzbanner

Here's a growing list of Christian political commentators who are racist and anti-semitic:
- https://rentry.org/Deus_Vult
Feel free to reply to this post with others.

Educate boomers irl. If you don't preach to them, the anti-Christian kikes will:
- https://news.antiwar.com/2025/10/06/israel-to-spend-up-to-4-1-million-in-propaganda-campaign-targeting-american-christians/
israeli nationalism ("zionism") is a heresy:
- https://youtu.be/GKlT-hhZXoM&t=658s
- https://youtu.be/odNoExd8a5U
- https://youtu.be/rp92-3aBL-A
The "holocaust" (burnt offering) is a lie made up by kikes, both soviet and freemason:
- https://rumble.com/c/ScriptureandTraditionFrJM/videos
Boycott israeli products:
- https://bdsmovement.net

Common glownigger talking points:
>"jesus is a kike"
The word "kike" comes from "kikel", which means circle. The kikes hate the cross so much, they would sign documents with a circle, hence the nickname.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plus_and_minus_signs#Alternative_plus_sign
>"off topic"
Reminder the pope is the monarch of a country. In fact in many white nations there is no separation between church and state.

The psychedelic resurgence showed everybody how absurd atheism really is. When you can make the divine tangible as with psilocybin, LSD, and especially DMT then no amount of muh empirical evidence and logicz mean SHIT. I personally encountered the ultimate and holy living God and was bathed in the infinite love of ITS form, which Is all things. How could I ever deny the existence of spirit when i was one with the source of all existence in a conscious state?

the entire movement was basically centered around youtube debates. no one on youtube cares about religion or atheism anymore.

there are more atheists in the west than there were in 2010 so its not like atheism stopped making progress, but the "debate me bro" era ended and for the good because it was cringe.

Any one remember Chris Raygun, of all people, fucking the leftist feminism out of her?

>>521232680
>>521233629
Pretty much this. Not even religious people practise their religion or fully abide by their prescribed moral code. It even repels most rightwing traditionalists.

>>521233515
I remember them wheeling out his potmarked, liver spotted, ghoulish face the same time they unretired Farage

>>521230877 (OP)
Half turned into nazis and the other half died of a onions overdose

>>521236586
Lucky fuck

>>521230877 (OP)
It had a lot of success. The Western world became much more secular. Then 8 year olds started getting bottom surgeries.
People realized their mistake.

>>521230877 (OP)
Atheists aren't fun people to be around

Gaytheists are just clumps of cells for jews to do whatever they want with.

>>521230877 (OP)
this thread was very likely made by TJ himself
its a way of shilling himself and his proto rebrand

>>521235907
>I like how all atheists are peak midwit
A baseless claim

>>521235994
Not my problem. I'm married

>>521230877 (OP)
the person in your pick was such a loser he made atheism cringe
trust me i know i used to be subbed to his patreon
>>521237815
i know thats why i respond to all of them
tj if you are reading this i subbed you for 3 years and in that time you got paul after that it was mostly shit with brief moments of awesome sprinlked inbetween
i was on drunken peasants briefly but my mike didnt work so yall cut me. craziest part about it to me was i had used it right before that

>>521238115
>vagina isn't real because I've never seen one
Yes you are a midwit lmao

>>521238402
Again a baseless claim and I'm married..I can have pussy when I want lol.

I'm sorry you can't though :^(

>>521234098
"atheism = leftism" is an idea invented by online Americans in the last 10 years. It doesn't exist or hold true in any other location and time. It shouldn't, because politics can't affect metaphysics and theism-atheism is an apolitical metaphysics question, but people are retarded.

>>521230877 (OP)
Became cringe
I worship fat milfs now
Free milk
Lots of cuddles
Accept my mommy issues
Call me daddy submissive do anything I want
Hate feminism and just want babies

>>521230877 (OP)
Atheism leads to nihilism. Nihilism leads to depression. Depression leads to suicide. They're dead, Jim.

>>521230877 (OP)
turned int cutting your dick off

>>521236295
>I went on a drug induced schizo episode and suddenly god made sense
Mmkay

>>521238693
atheism logically entails moral relativism.
from there, you fork into
>MIGHT MAKES RIGHT!
where societies are controlled through having someone's boot on your neck
or
>DO AS THOU WILT
where you get "pregnant men" and child drag shows.

both end in collapse because no transcendent standard restrains evil or builds lasting order.

>>521230877 (OP)
Got Co opted By faggot Libshites and Leftyz retards trying to rebrand themselves. So they hate Christianity and Jews but Muslims and Jeets Topekek.

>>521230877 (OP)
Most of them became skeptic-tuber libertarians who owned SJWs epic style (but will never mention jews.)

>>521230950
Fpbp

>>521230877 (OP)
atheists are neckbearded incels

>>521230877 (OP)
Destroyed by feminist bullshit. For me though, internet atheism died the moment it refused to criticize Islam. Things didn't used to be like that. It's more of a testament to how much liberals have changed over the years with their intersectionalist bullshit than the atheist movement, per say.

>>521230877 (OP)
they figured out what the year on the calendar means

>>521230877 (OP)
Antisemitism
T. Adam Green

>>521230877 (OP)
Considering the state of Christianity, it won.

>>521239632
>atheism logically entails moral relativism
Not necessarily. Moral values can be grounded in human well-being, rationality, empathy, or evolutionary principles such as cooperation and survival.

>>521231061
so it seems
so it seems
>>521230877 (OP)
God turns atheists into fags so you know to exclude them

>>521239632
Atheists are too stupid to understand their own moral system

>>521240869
You are too stupid to understand that atheism has nothing to do with moral claims

>>521230877 (OP)
Atheism Plus movement split it apart in the Tumblr and Occupy Wallstreet era. Half of the atheist movement went super hard left, the other half dissipated, many of whom are on here now.

>>521230877 (OP)
found god

>>521240599
>Not necessarily
yes, necessarily and logically.
>Moral values can be grounded in human well-being, rationality, empathy, or evolutionary principles such as cooperation and survival.
these are all contingent things, contingency = relativism.

>>521241185
>>Not necessarily
>yes, necessarily and logically
Nope as atheism has nothing to do with morality

>>521241185
>these are all contingent things, contingency
No, contingency does not equal relativism. That’s a critical misunderstanding.

>Contingent:
Something that could have been otherwise — it depends on certain conditions or facts in the world.

>Relativism:
Moral truths depend on the beliefs, culture, or preferences of individuals or groups — "X is wrong" means "my society disapproves of X."

These are completely different concepts

>>521240958
Hahaha holy shit midwit brainpower on full display.

The very definition of atheism, rejection of a deity, is a rejection of objective morality in favor of subjective morality.
>where do you get your morality from?
>"myself with common sense"

Of course if you had half a brain you would already understand this, but that's why you're an atheist to begin with.

>>521241416
No, rejecting a deity is not a rejection of objective morality.

This is a common theistic assumption, but it is not logically required.

>>521241416
>>where do you get your morality from?
See
>>521240599
>Moral values can be grounded in human well-being, rationality, empathy, or evolutionary principles such as cooperation and survival.
Why are you people this fucking dumb?

>>521241392
>believing in atheism has nothing to do with morality
that's wrong though. atheism removes the only non-contingent ground (God), everything left is contingent on matter, evolution or preference.
>contingency does not equal relativism.
yeah it does, because
well-being is contingent on what human happen to value (could evolve to value suffering)
rationality is contingent on brain states (psychopaths reason too)
empathy/cooperation is contingent on survival utility (works until a stronger tribe prefers genocide)

without a necessary being to ground "ought" your "objective" morals shift with conditions, which is relativism.

>>521230877 (OP)
Problem is most people are too stupid to be atheists.

>>521241664
>>believing in atheism
It's a lack of belief

You even fail in your strawman

>>521241664
>>contingency does not equal relativism.
>yeah it does
I've already explained thst you don't understand the concepts

>>521241611
>This is a common theistic assumption, but it is not logically required.
no objective ought-giver, logically, no objective oughts
it's as shrimple as that.

>>521230877 (OP)
The atheism movement succeeded. The great majority of society is atheist, regardless of whatever statistics say.
Most people don't believe in religion whatsoever. They may call themselves "christian" or whatever, but never attend religious service or practice their religion in any meaningful way.
If we counted members of the christian religion by actual church attendance instead of meaningless surveys, I'd be surprised if there were even 20% of the total christians they claim there are.

People may call themselves christian and wear a cross or for cultural and social reasons, but the actual stories in their sacred texts are regarded as a bunch of retarded mythology that nobody believes.

There's also the fact that most christians are weak and pathetic. Absolute cucks and complete pussy faggots.
It is naturally repulsive to any strong and self-respecting man that knows anything about it.

>>521230950
Fpbp

>>521241664
>without a necessary being to ground "ought" your "objective" morals shift with conditions, which is relativism.

It only rejects one possible source (God).
But many sources are proposed, and none require relativism.

Atheism is compatible with objective morality.

Your claim is a non sequitur, a leap, not logic.

>>521241816
>no objective ought-giver, logically, no objective oughts
>it's as shrimple as that.
No dummy see
>>521241880

>>521230877 (OP)
there are no causes without a prime mover.

>>521230877 (OP)
The fedorist meme killed it dead

>>521231387
no.
picrel alone destroyed atheism.
Meme Magic in its purest form:
>one image
>no words
>yet perfectly captures the visage, attitude, demographic, and persona of every atheist everybody ever met in IRL
and the fedoras knew they were defeated
So, they switched tactics: Now, they're "pagans" (atheists)

>>521241792
>ackshually It's a lack of belief
no, an -ism can't be a lack of belief or propositional stance.
an -ism implies a positive belief system or doctrine and can't be a non-position.
>I've already explained thst you don't understand the concepts
i do and i demonstrated why your garbage examples were contingent and thus relative.
>>521241880
>It only rejects one possible source (God).
there's no other possible source.
>Atheism is compatible with objective morality.
atheist "moral realists" just pretend moral facts are brute truths woven into the fabric of the universe without a source or ontic referent and their cited epistemic warrant for believing this is the same argumentation that mormons use.
>>521241929
i saw it and it was trash, hit the books.

>>521241949
Which just means something started all this but I dont know what

>>521242125
this
the atheism movement became associated with fat losers online, who worse than anything else, were pretentious while being socially unaware
similar thing happened to the r/antiwork thing where it was gaining momentum and then a reddit mod embarrassed the movement so bad in that fox news interview that it never recovered

it died when people stopped believing in god thanks to the internet

>>521242125
It's funny how kikes are trying to give gaytheism a "based" antisemitic (actually just shitting on Christianity) makeover. All because a certain mexican got popular with the kids, so now /pol/ is shit up 24/7 with antichristian threads.

>>521242276
>>ackshually It's a lack of belief
>no,
Yup.
>>521242276
>>I've already explained thst you don't understand the concepts
>i do
You don't

>>521242276
>>It only rejects one possible source (God).
>there's no other possible source.
To you.

>>521242276
>without a source
Again see
>>521240599
>Moral values can be grounded in human well-being, rationality, empathy, or evolutionary principles such as cooperation and survival

>>521242276
>i saw it and it was trash
Ah it's you again..you can't refute it so you make up a cope

You got clowned on earlier today too lol

>>521230877 (OP)
Aftet GamerGate, the recreational atheists turned to leftist deities of trannyists, niggerites, and climate cultists.

>>521241055
there's also the segment that ended up funneling into MGTOW

>>521242276
To defend your claim, you must prove:

Objective morality is impossible without God.

Every secular grounding fails.

Good luck

Didn't the movement kind of succeed? I mean it was kind of just a reflection of 21st century atheistic realism/skepticism which is pretty commonplace now in the West. People have access to the internet to answer basically any question they could have. Why would they go to a church for those answers? That was the main benefit of spirituality. Fill in the gaps of the unknowable.

>>521242512
not an argument.
>>521242675
>To defend your claim, you must prove:
>Objective morality is impossible without God.
simple,
p1: if atheism is true, then the universe and human life are the result of unguided, non-intentional processes.
p2: if life is the product of non-intentional processes, then there is no intrinsic purpose or value to human existence.
p3: if there is no intrinsic value to human existence, then there is no objective basis for moral duties or obligations.
c: therefore, if atheism is true, objective moral duties and obligations do not exist.

it worked too well to belittle the jewish institutions, jews shut it down, but their criticisms of jew worship remain

>>521230877 (OP)
People like me grew up in an increasingly shitty world and found atheism to be vacuous crap

>>521230877 (OP)
it fell to the fag agenda
atheists were soon rationalizing why cutting off your dick made you a women
it simply showed that they had not actual principles beyond hating christianity specifically

>>521230877 (OP)
they became trannies

>>521242811
>not an argument.
It is

>>521242811
>simple
Again you fail
See
>>521240599
>Moral values can be grounded in human well-being, rationality, empathy, or evolutionary principles such as cooperation and survival
Kick rocks kiddo

>>521242938
see the response i'd already made to your garbage post detailing how all of those things are relative.

>>521240599
>Not necessarily. Moral values can be grounded in human well-being, rationality, empathy, or evolutionary principles such as cooperation and survival.
Tell me you're a communist without telling me you're a communist. Full midwit cope.

>>521233419
>atheists
>very smart

>>521234162
>matt dilahunty was so desperate he's fucking a tranny now
the absolute state of new atheists

>>521241792
This fucking faggot again?
>hurr durr I dont believe in anything, that means I win
You were a faggot in the last thread, you're a faggot in this thread, and you'll be a faggot in every thread you enter from this moment forward.

>>521234579
This

>>521242811
>p1: if atheism is true, then the universe and human life are the result of unguided, non-intentional processes.
Why is a "God" needed to guide an intentional process?

>p2: if life is the product of non-intentional processes, then there is no intrinsic purpose or value to human existence
Again, see
>>521240599
>Moral values can be grounded in human well-being, rationality, empathy, or evolutionary principles such as cooperation and survival.

And the rest just crumbles

>>521242996
>see the response i'd already made to your garbage post detailing how all of those things are relative.
Which is it dipshit? Relative or contingent?

>>521243066
Smarter than christcucks who can't form logic or reason beyond "god did it"

>>521243059
Try an actual rebuttal instead of ad hom

>>521243172
>>hurr durr I dont believe in anything,
Try less strawman dipshit

>>521230877 (OP)
You can go to any of their channels and see for yourself. They morphed into anti-SJWs and then they became MIGAs.

>>521243318
>Why is a "God" needed to guide an intentional process?
well, call the being what you want, but it would have to be a transcendent causal agent with a will in order to provide intent.
>see [post you've already dealt with]
so are you going to make me copypaste shit i've already said?
well-being is contingent on what human happen to value (could evolve to value suffering)
rationality is contingent on brain states (psychopaths reason too)
empathy/cooperation is contingent on survival utility (works until a stronger tribe prefers genocide)
without a necessary being to ground "ought" your "objective" morals shift with conditions, which is relativism.
>Relative or contingent?
both

>>521240599
>can be
Show me where this exists outside of clan

>>521230877 (OP)
I used to be big into it. I used to see religious busybody types, and naively think that it's religion making them like that. If we can remove religion, they will be liberty loving, rational individuals.

But with the rise of these woke, secular, leftist movements, I now see that those people are inherently like that, and if they don't have religion corraling them, they will get hooked on much worse things.

Atheist spaces used to be very rational and would have good discussion. Now it's nothing but leftist shitheads parroting the usual trash.

It's funny, as a teen I was a little atheist punk as well as a viscous racist. I figured it was church making people like my aunt into diversity and tolerance. I still think that right wing views go better with atheism, and that leftism is probably spawned by Abrahamic religion.

>>521241792
>It's a lack of belief
That the unverse is explainable through the scientific method is a statement of faith

>>521243558
>>Why is a "God" needed to guide an intentional process?
>well, call the being what you want, but it would have to be a transcendent causal agent with a will in order to provide intent.
You didn't answer the question

>>521243558
>without a necessary being to ground "ought" your "objective" morals shift with conditions, which is relativism.
You didn't see above..you never answered why your subjective opinions about God is needed

>>521243558
>>Relative or contingent?
>both
See
>>521241392
>No, contingency does not equal relativism. That’s a critical misunderstanding.
>>Contingent:
>Something that could have been otherwise — it depends on certain conditions or facts in the world.
>>Relativism:
>Moral truths depend on the beliefs, culture, or preferences of individuals or groups — "X is wrong" means "my society disapproves of X."
>These are completely different concepts
You keep failing and making claims you can't back up

>>521243560
Thanks for making my argument for me

>>521243751
>That the unverse is explainable through the scientific method is a statement of faith
And has nothing to do with atheism

>>521243801
>You didn't answer the question
are you retarded?
intent requires will.
blind matter has no will.
ergo, transcendent agent with will = necessary for intent.
call it "God" or "sky daddy sky daddy sky daddy sky daddy sky daddy sky daddy sky daddy sky daddy" it doesn't change the logic.

>rest of the post
i disagree

>>521243343
That's all it boils down to with these morons.

Christians always cuck on race
Family guys always cuck for money

>>521244025
>intent requires will.
Again,
>>521242675
>To defend your claim, you must prove:
>Objective morality is impossible without God
Still waiting


>>521244025
>blind matter has no will.
Blind what? What dies even mean?

>>521244025
>>rest of the post
>i disagree
You're welcome to your personal feelings and opinions

>>521243318
>Why is a "God" needed to guide an intentional process?
Also still waiting

>>521241816
I love this atheist because he's demonstrating to everyone how retarded he is.

>>521244025
>transcendent agent with will = necessary for intent
No, a transcendent agent with will is not necessary for moral intent (or for morality to be objective). This is another common theistic assumption, but it fails logically and conceptually

>>521244250
Of there is no God then where does objective morality come from?

>>521244312
You're welcome to your personal feelings and opinions :^)

>>521244385
>where does objective morality come from?
You people are dumb as shit
>>521240599
>Moral values can be grounded in human well-being, rationality, empathy, or evolutionary principles such as cooperation and survival.

>>521231207
Sam Harris is by far the biggest lolcow of the group

>>521230877 (OP)
There isn't a whole lot to say. God is an invention. The end.

>>521244337
To go further

You have intent when you act.

I have intent when I lie or help.

Moral evaluation applies to our intentions — not God’s.

Example:
“Killing innocents on purpose is wrong.”
This is:
Objective: True regardless of culture.
About human intent: The agent’s purpose matters.
No God needed to define or enforce this.
Morality evaluates finite agents, it doesn’t require an infinite one.

>>521244250
>you must prove Objective morality is impossible without God!
i did with my syllogism, the premises and conclusion still stand unassailed. the red squiggly lines are telling me unassailed isn't a word but i'm pretty sure it is.
>Blind what? What dies even mean?
reread the syllogism, it will be obvious.
>rest of the post
i disagree.
>>521244312
it makes me sad none of his brethren point out his garbage reasoning.
when i see Christians say retarded stuff i always give them a piece of my mind.
>>521244337
>will is not required for intent
mein gott...
the definition of intent is purposeful direction toward a goal.
will = faculty of choice/purpose, without will there's no choice, therefore no purpose, therefore no intent.

>>521244707
And to follow it up

No, a transcendent agent with will is NOT necessary for moral intent.

Moral intent = agents acting with purpose under binding norms.

Norms can be objective via reason, well-being, or rational agreement.
No cosmic will required.

You're confusing:
Who has intent (us)
with
Who (allegedly) authors the rules (not needed).
Atheism + objective, intent-based morality = logically coherent.

Your premise is an assertion, not a proof.

>>521243887
>And has nothing to do with atheism
So nothing replaces the explanation of human thought and existence? You absolutely believe in some foundational idea otherwise theres no base from which to build your world. It all just evaporates into subjectivism and despair.

>>521231207
>>521244596
caring for what a jew has to say is certainly a mistake i'll never make again

It won. And now the only christcucks remaining are low IQ niggers and their ilk.

>>521243801
chatgpt generated

>>521244402
>>521244446
I accept your concession since you can't answer basic questions.

If morality doesn't come from God where does it come from?

>>521244839
>So nothing replaces the explanation of human thought and existence?
What are you talking about bro?

Your strawman makes no sense >>521244839
>You absolutely believe in some foundational idea
Again, see
>>521240599
>Moral values can be grounded in human well-being, rationality, empathy, or evolutionary principles such as cooperation and survival

>>521244888
Checked. Dipshit needs to ask a random word generator for his beliefs. In 6 months he will be smearing cow shit on the wall as an atheistic worship of chat jeetpt

>>521244935
>If morality doesn't come from God where does it come from?
Again
>>521240599
>Moral values can be grounded in human well-being, rationality, empathy, or evolutionary principles such as cooperation and survival.

>>521230877 (OP)
They won. It's the mainstream now

>>521244830
>No, a transcendent agent with will is NOT necessary for moral intent.
i didn't say it was.
you are very confused.

>>521245005
>Dipshit needs to ask a random word generator for his beliefs. I
It's sad that I need to use Grok to explain the obvious

>>521244973
>Moral values can be grounded in human well-being, rationality, empathy, or evolutionary principles such as cooperation and survival
OK so you believe in SUBJECTIVE morality. Person A says killing is good. Person B says killing is bad. You can't reconcile the two because there is no objective measure other than your personal FESEELINGS. Which is why the church of Satan and jews call killing babies part of their religious right.

>>521230877 (OP)
jews stopped funding it

>>521245100
No, you are unable to use your brain to logically reason so you offload it to a computer. Aka being a dumbass.

>>521245062
>>No, a transcendent agent with will is NOT necessary for moral intent.
>i didn't say it was.
You did
>>521243558
>>Why is a "God" needed to guide an intentional process?
>well, call the being what you want, but it would have to be a transcendent causal agent with a will in order to provide intent.
Why lie?

>>521245028
>Moral values can be grounded in human well-being, rationality, empathy,
they can also be grounded in wanton violence, irrationality and vengeance.
all of these are contingent relative things.
the question isn't about whether atheists can construct meaning in their life based on something they prefer, but whether or not they can point to some transcendent purpose in a world without meaning, an ought from an is, and you can't.

>>521244830
>can be
I see you're still using your weasel-words. Make a positive claim and build from it. Show me an example of what you claim exists (a society that uses an objective morality based on non-religious foundations)

>>521245111
>OK so you believe in SUBJECTIVE morality
See
>>521244662
>“Killing innocents on purpose is wrong.”
>This is:
>Objective: True regardless of culture.
>About human intent: The agent’s purpose matters.
>No God needed to define or enforce this.
>Morality evaluates finite agents, it doesn’t require an infinite one.

>>521245169
>you are unable to use your brain to logically reason
Now you're projecting

>>521245210
>all of these are contingent relative things
I've already addressed this

Again can you answer.
>>521242675
>To defend your claim, you must prove:
>Objective morality is impossible without God.

They all became trans. Those who believe in nothing will fall for anything.

>>521245254
>Killing innocents on purpose is wrong.”
>This is:
>Objective: True regardless of culture
Greeks did it all the time.

>>521245254
>>Objective: True regardless of culture.
WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG DUMBASS DUMBASS DUMBASS DUMBASS

What about all the cultures that practiced human sacrifice? You are PROVEN wrong by history.

>b-b-but they don't agree with MY morality!
Then you have proven subjective morality is unreliable.

>>521245238
>I see you're still using your weasel-words
You are too stupid for this conversation

>>521245238
>Show me an example of what you claim exists (a society that uses an objective morality based on non-religious foundations)
Again
>>521244662
>“Killing innocents on purpose is wrong.”
>This is:
>Objective: True regardless of culture.
>About human intent: The agent’s purpose matters.
>No God needed to define or enforce this.
>Morality evaluates finite agents, it doesn’t require an infinite one.
>>521245442
>Greeks did it all the time
Learn what objective means

>>521245481
Learn what objective means you dummy

Americans ruined it because they can't do anything without it becoming their identity. For example, they're doing the same thing with bicycling.

>>521230877 (OP)
They all went to reddit and then we never heard from them again. good riddance.

>>521245442
Also Jews do it all the time to Christian kids as revenge on amalek.

Satanists do it to kids as an offering to satan.

Jews abort babies as an offering to satan.

Mayans did it to please their gods.

I'm pretty sure Spartans did it too.

Chinese did it for a long time.

Hundreds of indiginous groups did it for thousands of years.

Holy fuck this guy is RETARDED.

>>521230877 (OP)

It got Smacked-Down by History / Archaeology / Science & Common-Sense?

>>521245184
read again, more slowly this time.
intent (for the universe, not "moral intent")
your brain swapped "intent" for "moral intent"
i was saying transcendent will is required for cosmological intent (purpose in creation)
>>521245401
>I've already addressed this
you didn't though.
>can you answer.
the premises and conclusion of my syllogism that demonstrates objective morality is impossible without God remains dismantled.

seriously man, take some deep breaths.
you're getting really upset and it's harming your thinking skills and reading comprehension.
i understand it's easy to get flustered when more than one person is replying to you, deep breaths.

>>521245556
>get proven wrong
>"heh, read a dictionary"
You are a retarded faggot teenager

>>521230877 (OP)
It accomplished its goal. It broke the midwit college attending person's faith in there being any kind of God or reason to not be a degenerate to destroy white family formation and birthrates. That left only low IQ people who will breed regardless believing in low Church christcuckery (and thus remaining loyal slaves of Israel)and high iq autists with low fertility believing whatever brand of esoteric shit strikes their fancy, but being left even more unable to connect with the godless masses and thus being even more alienated than before and less likely to breed.

>>521245595
>i was saying transcendent will is required for cosmological intent (purpose in creation)
Which then leads to morality. Which you've already mentioned

>>521245595
>>I've already addressed this
>you didn't though
Yup

>>521245595
>objective morality is impossible without God remains dismantled.
See
>>521244662
>“Killing innocents on purpose is wrong.”
>This is:
>Objective: True regardless of culture.
>About human intent: The agent’s purpose matters.
>No God needed to define or enforce this.
>Morality evaluates finite agents, it doesn’t require an infinite one.
You need God, I don't

>>521245588
>its true regardless of culture
>provides a counter-example
>except all of these other cultures that also demonstrated the claim to be false
I'm not sure what you think youve added to the conversation

>>521245635
>>get proven wrong
Not really. You don't understand what objectively morality is.

It means it's true regardless of personal feelings and others actions

Try again kiddo

>>521245816
I'm pointing out this atheist is the most retarded one in the room. Not only is he wrong, but almost every culture throughout history proves him wrong.

He knows absolutely nothing about anything, and can only respond with chat jeetpt or "read a dictionary."

>>521246065
>Not only is he wrong, but almost every culture throughout history proves him wrong.
Wrong about?

>>521245803
>i was saying transcendent will is required for cosmological intent (purpose in creation)
>Which then leads to morality. Which you've already mentioned
i'm honestly not sure what you're trying to communicate to me, i'm going to attempt to steelman it and you're going to call it a strawman and cry.

>your argumnent (transcendent will --> cosmological intent)
>inevitably leads to --> grounding objective morality
>and you brought morality up earlier
>so you're pretending this is just about cosmic purpose, but it's really about morality
?

to which i'd reply, yes, cosmological intent --> moral order.
but i still hold that "a transcendent agent with will is not necessary for moral intent" is not what i'm talking about at all whatsoever.
even if we were in an atheist universe, people could still have moral intent, but the universe itself can't and thus moral relativism.

>>521246226
You're actually a jew because you exist in the realm of pilpul and rhetoric to justify anything you want.

So to answer your question, you're a Jewish pedophile, and my evidence is, ummm subjective reasoning!

>>521246341
>i'm honestly not sure what you're trying to communicate to me
Im ahead of your argument. Which you've already stated
>>521245595
>objective morality is impossible without God remains dismantled.
It's like you don't read your own replies lol

>>521246341
>to which i'd reply, yes, cosmological intent --> moral order
Kek and did it again


>>521246341
>but i still hold that "a transcendent agent with will is not necessary for moral intent" is not what i'm talking about at all whatsoever.
You literally are

>>521246341
>people could still have moral intent,
And do, without the need for God or your perosnal favorite God

>>521246473
Again
>>521244662
>Objective: True regardless of culture.
That's what you can't grasp

This conversation isn't for you

>>521246341
>people could still have moral intent, but the universe itself can't and thus moral relativism.
The universe itself can't what exactly?

>>521246645
>This conversation isn't for you
i agree, reading your posts hurt my eyes and brain.
i still have no fucking idea what you're trying to express, but this time it's on multiple lines so i'm not even going to try to puzzle them out.
i think what would help you is writing more than 10 words per sentence fragment you clip.
>>521246788
have moral intent.

>>521246862
>>This conversation isn't for you
>i agree
Have a nice day then

>>521246862
>have moral intent
Why would it? That's left up to us

>>521246992
>Why would it? That's [relative to the individual]
i have a crick in my neck, think i'll take some nsaid

>>521247124
>That's [relative to the individual]
See
>>521244662
>“Killing innocents on purpose is wrong.”
>This is:
>Objective: True regardless of culture.
>About human intent: The agent’s purpose matters.
>No God needed to define or enforce this.
>Morality evaluates finite agents, it doesn’t require an infinite one.
The crick in your neck is because you can't refute this

>>521246862
>have moral intent
Wishful thinking.

>>521230877 (OP)
They grew up.

>>521247333
Exactly

>>521247237
your worldview (whatever it is) can't ground "innocent" or "wrong"
also, even as a moral realist,
>Killing innocents on purpose is wrong.
i don't affirm this statement.
there's plenty of situations where killing an innocent person is the right thing to do.
like abortions for ectopic pregnancies.

>>521244840
Same, I was very interested in what they had to say until I learned the rules of evidence and the rules of argument. Thank God that I woke up to the jewish question.

>>521230877 (OP)
They all trooned out.

>>521247500
>your worldview (whatever it is) can't ground "innocent" or "wrong"
See
>>521240599
>Moral values can be grounded in human well-being, rationality, empathy, or evolutionary principles such as cooperation and survival.
Kek, you keep losing my friend

>>521247500
>>Killing innocents on purpose is wrong.
>i don't affirm this statement
Yes you do. It's why you're not a murderer. Well, maybe you are

>>521247500
>there's plenty of situations where killing an innocent person is the right thing to do.
This isn't murder either. So this example is a non sequitur

>>521247368
Atheism is the fastest-growing cult in the US.

>>521247237
What about the morality of gay buttsex? Not that I'm saying christcucks are perfect in that regard, but at least they know it's wrong.

>>521247500
>like abortions for ectopic pregnancies.
it does not refute the claim that killing an innocent person is never morally right.

>>521248124
>What about the morality of gay buttsex?
What about it?
>it's wrong
I agree. But this isn't objective

>>521247918
>human well-being, rationality, empathy, or evolutionary principles such as cooperation and survival.
those are all subjective/contingent/relative things and can't serve as ontic referents for the truth value of moral claims.
>Yes you do
no, i don't.
>This isn't murder either.
you didn't say murder, you said "killing innocents on purpose"

>>521248071
religious nones are growing, but atheism is shrinking.
they're only 5% of the adult population of america right now.
>>521248125
i disagree, since that would be killing an innocent person on purpose.
but there's other examples, say there's a 8ft tall retarded person chasing down your child with a large pair of garden shears and you're holding a gun. the retard's innocent, he has no moral culpability, but he's still going to get blasted.
or say there's a pair of conjoined twins and they're both going to die unless one is killed, they're innocent, yet it's right to kill one to preserve life.
or say there's an atheist tranny hostage taker who's set up bombs, sniper's only line of sight is to shoot through the innocent hostage to save an orphanage full of innocent babbies. he's justified in killing the hostage to get the atheist terrorist.

>>521248590
More wishful thinking.

>>521230877 (OP)
>think you can do better then God
>turns out you can't
>actually its really really bad, like literal pedo faggots pretending to be women bad.
>return to God after realizing how wrong you were, he forgives you.
based God.

>>521230877 (OP)
Got bought out by Soros

>>521248856
Trans is Christian culture. Nobody pushes that pedogay shit harder than the Christian churches.

>>521248769
you say wishful thinking, i say cold hard sociological data from pew research
tomato tomahto

>>521249169
that's probably true in germany
progressivism fucked your church h-a-r-d

They were the first group to get infected with the woke virus: Patient zero.

>>521230877 (OP)
Nothing happened, atheism is now considered mainstream. Most atheists don’t see themselves as part of a movement they’re simply nonbelievers. The “fedora atheists,” on the other hand, were cringe, made fools of themselves, and often contradicted themselves

>>521230877 (OP)
It morphed into something else. Are hipsters a thing? No, they joined miga. Are atheists a thing? No, they became pagans.

>>521249169
>seethes about Christianity unprompted.
>german
hmmmm

>>521248590
>those are all subjective/contingent/relative things and can't serve as ontic referents for the truth value of moral claims
No, human well-being, rationality, empathy, and evolutionary cooperation are not inherently subjective, contingent in a relativizing way, or incapable of serving as ontic referents for objective moral truths.

You’re making a category error by conflating:
Contingency (depends on how the world is)
with Relativism (depends on opinion or culture)

>>521248590
>>This isn't murder either.
>you didn't say murder, you said "killing innocents on purpose"
That's murder.

>>521248590
>i disagree
And you're still wrong

>>521248590
>say there's a 8ft tall retarded person chasing down your child with a large pair of garden shears and you're holding a gun
That's not innocent.

Again, these special circumstances still don't negate
>>521248125
>it does not refute the claim that killing an innocent person is never morally right.

No, there are ZERO situations where killing an innocent person is morally right.

"Innocent" = no threat, no culpability

All ethical systems (theistic, secular
consequentialist, deontological) condemn it.

Disagreements are about application in
tragedy - not the principle

This is strong evidence for objective morality, not against it.

Your claim is false - and actually supports the atheist moral realist:
Even without God, we know killing innocents is wrong

Done and done

>>521230877 (OP)
God found them

>>521232189
Pretty much this, its just a metronome of annoying performative faggots swapping sides when they become too annoying

>>521248590
>but atheism is shrinking
Incorrect not does your data support this.

A figure that has remained stable since at least 2011 and is consistent with earlier estimates.

This percentage has not increased to 5% in recent years, and there is no evidence of a decline from previous levels

>>521230877 (OP)
It was sort of collectively decided by the atheist community that it was getting redundant. Making the same arguments against the same nonsense started to get old and hackneyed. So they shifted focus to other topics and now a decade later religious idiots are getting bold again.

Time to dust off the old fedora.

They were total fags so no one cares

>>521249915
i disagree
>>521249596
>No, human well-being, rationality, empathy, and evolutionary cooperation are not inherently subjective, contingent in a relativizing way, or incapable of serving as ontic referents for objective moral truths.
wow, you've sure convinced me with that amazing argument.
>you didn't say murder, you said "killing innocents on purpose"
>That's murder.
no, murder has to do with the justification of the act itself, not the guilt or innocence of the victim.
>say there's a 8ft tall retarded person chasing down your child with a large pair of garden shears and you're holding a gun
>That's not innocent.
the retard is not morally culpable for his actions because he's retarded, without moral culpability, the person is innocent.
same goes for animals.

>"Innocent" = no threat, no culpability
whatever LLM you're using is absolute dogshit.
seriously, is it chatgpt? i'm not even making fun of you for using one, i just want to know what it is so that i never ever get a subscription to it.
i was kind of interesting in chatgpt because that video making thing (sora?) looked amazing.

>>521250096
>i disagree
With what? You're objectively wrong

>>521250096
>wow, you've sure convinced me with that amazing argument.
You made a baseless claim. You do it to yourself

>>521250096
>no, murder has to do with the justification of the act itself, not the guilt or innocence of the victim.
See
>>521249596
>Disagreements are about application in
>tragedy - not the principle

>>521250096
>the retard is not morally culpable for his actions because he's retarded, without moral culpability, the person is innocent.
>same goes for animals
Again, see
>>521249596
>Disagreements are about application in
>tragedy - not the principle

And just like that
>>521249596
>Your claim is false - and actually supports the atheist moral realist:
>Even without God, we know killing innocents is wrong

Done and done

>>521250096
>no, murder has to do with the justification of the act itself
Murder is defined as the unlawful killing of another human being without justification or valid excuse

>>521250314
>You made a baseless claim.
no, i explained how they're relative, i'll copypaste my reasoning a second time.
well-being is contingent on what human happen to value (could evolve to value suffering)
rationality is contingent on brain states (psychopaths reason too)
empathy/cooperation is contingent on survival utility (works until a stronger tribe prefers genocide)
without a necessary being to ground "ought" your "objective" morals shift with conditions, which is relativism.
>see
no
>Again, see
no, reading your malformed childish opinions once is more than enough

you're not even a moral realist, why do you even give a shit if moral realism works with the belief of atheism anyway?
>>521250504
right.

>>521250661
>>You made a baseless claim.
>no
Yup

>>521250661
>no, reading your malformed childish opinions once is more than enough
Another cope because you can't refute

Anway

Im glad we've reached this conclusion.
>>521249596
>Your claim is false - and actually supports the atheist moral realist:
>Even without God, we know killing innocents is wrong
:^)

>>521250661
>well-being is contingent on what human happen to value (could evolve to value suffering)
>rationality is contingent on brain states (psychopaths reason too)
>empathy/cooperation is contingent on survival utility (works until a stronger tribe prefers genocide)
>without a necessary being to ground "ought" your "objective" morals shift with conditions, which is relativism.


Moral facts are supervenient on natural facts. Just as “water = H2O” is objective despite being contingent on physics, “torturing innocents is wrong” could be objective given facts about consciousness, suffering, and rational agency.

No “necessary being” required, just the structure of reality and sentient life.

This avoids relativism: a society that values suffering is wrong the way a society that denies gravity is wrong. Their beliefs don’t change the facts.

Conclusion: Your contingencies (evolving values, brain states, survival pressures) show morality is conditional, but not relative. It’s conditional on the kind of universe we’re in: one with conscious beings who feel pain and pursue goals. Within that domain, moral truths hold as robustly as mathematical ones hold within logic.

>>521240599
"Evolution" is a jewish fairy tale

>>521230877 (OP)
Got taken over by Atheism+ and everyone who wasn't a commie fled, realizing that being a detached objective observer is an anomaly of human behavior and if you take Jesus away from the masses they'll worship literally anything else like retards. The old school atheists became chuds and some of them flocked to the church if for no other reason than to take shelter from the horror that they themselves set upon this Earth.

>>521232680
I watched "theamazingatheist" in the early 2010. I was always an atheist. It's funny every now and then to joke about it but we're not obnoxious radical lunatics like charlie kirk, the religious fanatic, justifying everything through the lens of religion. Or the jewish cultists. Or the obnoxious christian americans. I know these cults will die off eventually. I moved from being an atheist to being "non-religious". I moved on with my life. Half a year ago I lived for a month with a religious cultist. i listened to him, I didn't care, I said a prayer because he insisted, who cares. He wasn't a bad person. Sometimes you gotta learn to let go and get on with your life. I got more important things to worry about.

>>521251424
>dogs are a jewish fairytale
Your bean is sliding off your burrito there Paco

The truth is that they won. Almost no one takes Christianity seriously now and every other religion is just considered some "cultural" thing, making it racist to make fun of Islam or Judaism.

so anyway, as i was saying,
atheism necessarily entails moral relativism, which causes anomie.
anomie is a social condition that occurs when a society's previously common norms and values disappear or disintegrate.
in the west this has caused things like "hoeflation" and this gigantic spike in suicidality, skyrocketing fatherlessness, the collapse of the nuclear family, the trans kid pipeline, the porn epidemic, the opioid crisis, the rise of onlyfans e-thots, the death of shame, the worship of "my truth," the erasure of objective beauty, the explosion of mental illness diagnoses, the 41% meme becoming reality, the birth rate creating below replacement, the elderly dying alone in nursing homes instead of surrounded by their grandkids, the young dying alone in their apartments surrounded by funko pops and SSRIs, the complete inability to form lasting bonds, the worship of "self-care" as a substitute for duty, the state stepping in as daddy and mommy, the endless cycle of therapy-speak and victimhood olympics, the death or heroism, the death of sacrifice, the death of meaning, the "death of God" leading to the death of man.
everyone's miserable.
you removed the anchor and now the ship's drifting into the rocks.

>>521245752
shit, never heard it put that way. thats messed up

>>521251896
>atheism necessarily entails moral relativism, which causes anomie.
Atheism ⊭ moral relativism
Moral relativism ⊭ anomie (in practice)
Anomie comes from loss of shared commitment, not absence of God.

You can be:
Atheist
Moral realist
Anti-relativist
Socially cohesive
…all consistently.

The chain atheism relativism anomie is a contingent cultural story, not a logical necessity.

>>521251896
>you removed the anchor and now the ship's drifting into the rocks.
For you. You need your God as an anchor. I do not

>>521242125
you are both arguing the same thing retard, the burned out redditors were the meme, they were the living meme the turned into the images people shared

>>521230950
You forgot how they all trooned out, too.
Turns out atheism leads to retardation.

>>521252261
i disagree, durkheim would too.
he explicitly saw religion as sociologically necessary for solidarity.
>>521252370
>for you
relativism.
"my truth."
disgusting.

>>521230950
Not exactly. It got taken over by feminists and nigger cock lovers. Everyone against the insanity were swiftly purged.
It was quite the shitshow.

>>521230877 (OP)
they trooned out

>>521230877 (OP)
It became 'Atheism+' and went to shit.
We should have learned about the LGBTQ cancer then.

>>521232189
If evolution true, why 20,000,000 fixed genetic mutations separate humans and chimps over the course of at max 9,000,000 years? That's over 10 instances of complete fixation of a gene per generation. that a lot.
make grug think

521232689
It's not even a strawman, jew.
no shekels for you

>>521252597
>i disagree
Again, facts font care about you're feelings

>>521252597
>my truth."
>disgusting
Which is what "God" is lol
.
>>521252974
>posts like a coward
Lmao

>>521252580
>Turns out atheism leads to retardation
Amen sister

>>521230877 (OP)
we be out here, nigger
I'm still an atheist.
the big split happened with the atheism+ stuff. a lot of the skeptical "show me the evidence" people didn't like that.
maybe it was for the best, because those people were just leftist faggots.
there could be a resurgence of atheism again at some point, I wouldn't rule it out.

I haven't thought about this guy since I saw a video of him pouring boiling hot water on his penis and testicles

>>521252827
Your Mistake: Confusing per individual mutations with population fixation
56 mutations fixed per generation sounds insane

But: 56 sites out of 3 billion is 0.00000186% of the genome
With ~10,000–100,000 breeding individuals (ancestral \(N_e\)), drift fixes many neutral mutations in parallel

This will never not be funny

>>521234765
Completely wrong and dumb. That elevator incident was what did it, not some diffused, organic end. It was targeted destruction, same shit they did to OWS. The movement was nowhere close to done when it got exploded.

>>521253527
>That elevator incident was what did it
I remmeber this. It involved Thunderfoot and some feminist who claimed he assaulted her at an event or some shit?

Thunderfoot Vs. VenomfangX was fun to watch

>>521230950
>feminism
More like transgenderism. Feminism died in the mid 2010s, replaced by mentally ill aggressive cross dressers, and the remaining feminists are too scared to poke the tranny bear, who's been the leftists new favorite hill ever since.
Any remaining feminists at this point are shamed into worshiping the new trend or forced to accept biological men in Disney princess costumes as their daily driver outfit as fellow women struggling against the patriarchy and White Supremacism.

>>521230877 (OP)
Trannies

>>521230877 (OP)
they are still active but they rebranded as 'furries'

>>521230877 (OP)
How is it a movement if you're not doing anything or going anywhere?

>There is no God!

Okay? And?

>That's it, that's what I believe. No God. I just don't believe in it. How do you like that?

Uh, oh-okay . . . Alright man, see you later. Have a good one.

>Yeah, I WILL, and I don't need to believe in any GOD to have a good one, thank you very much!

Yeah, alright man. Take it easy.

>>521230877 (OP)
normies got the internet with iphones and youtube's algorithm started feeding everyone normie christcuck shit instead of nerd shit. 90% of christians on the internet weren't in the 2000s.

>>521230877 (OP)
Got aids and died.

521252974
>zero arguments
It's okay, because that time has passed.
Still getting no shekels for replies, jew.
yes i know she was a jew and i don't care for the purposes of picrel when memed alone

>>521254302
>>zero arguments
Like your strawman
>Still getting no shekels for replies
Correct, lol. You clowns believe in some real stupid shit

Simple as

>>521252637
Not true, atheism is nothing but a void so there was really nothing to take over. Feminists and nigger cock loving just moved into the empty space that is atheism. To keep things in percpective atheists literally got penetrated by feminists and nigger cock loving and had their empty hole filled up by them. Atheism is just a tool to subvert and destroy Christian society anyway.

>>521230877 (OP)
it transmuted into the feminist bullshit and then into the faggot bullshit and then into the trans bullshit and now into the woke/lefty/commie bullshit

it's lots of different flavors of shit but in the end it all just shit

ask a jeet: they could tell you all about it in more detail

as for me, I say
ttd
tfd
tld
end human rights for females
kick out the non-citizens

>>521254514
>destroy Christian society anyway.
Nothing does that more than Christians themselves

>>521254716
Wow there Mr. Edge you might cut yourself on all that edginess if you're not careful.

>>521230877 (OP)
They were too smug. They believed they were more enlightened than others, but in reality, they were dismantling the foundations of their own culture, civilization, and morality, only to replace them with destructive progressive retardation. Plus, they were mostly just angry nerds, and no one really wanted to be align with them.

>>521254906
Lmao, I remember being in 7th grade in 1999 and hearing this.

Classic!

>>521231069
Same thing happened with MGTOW. No need to keep talking about it and beating a dead horse.

>>521230877 (OP)
People realized it was r*ddit cringe and got bored of it.

>>521255031
This. And the best of their best is Mr 63pbid retard over here. We've seen what a decade of nihilistic, hedonistic, atheism gets you and its Jewish pedophilia.

>ray comfort, creationist
>eats banana with his mouth as God intended
>TJ kirk, atheist
>shoves banana up his ass
What did God mean by this?

>>521231883
He was basically considered alt-right when he first got famous. He was one of the "anti-woke" guys back when that was gaining traction around 2014-2016, in the same vein as Sargon. Even though he was always a liberal and vocally supported Bernie Sanders. He basically just hated cancel culture and feminazism.

the atheist religion's last respectable voice is a cunthair away from converting.
in the recent interview he did with the guy who went out into the woods and drank his own piss, he said
>I've realised Christianity is more plausible than I thought... The undeniable thing is that there's this extraordinary historical figure who did something extraordinary.

This picture happened. Movement never recovered.

>>521256571
>webm
yeah that's what atheists look like
they're almost always extremely fat unless they're gay or vegan
penn jilette suddenly stopped being vocally antichristian when he lost 300 lbs

>>521230877 (OP)
Everyone loves Jesus, now!

https://youtu.be/koS4DiiaheU

>>521256703
>they're almost always extremely fat unless they're gay or vegan
Right?

>>521257086
yep.
didn't you lose like 150 lbs within a few years back too?
or am i thinking of a different /pol/ atheist evangelist.
every thread he'd be like "i lost 105lbs and i'm really proud of it without the need of some phony god"

>>521256703
>vocally antichristian
Odd because a man gave him the NT after one his shows and he said this

>“I don’t respect people who don’t proselytize. I don’t respect that at all. If you believe there is a heaven and hell, and people could be going to hell or not getting eternal life or whatever, and you think it’s not really worth telling them this because it would make it socially awkward. “How much do you have to hate somebody to not proselytize? How much do you have to hate someone to believe everlasting life is possible and not tell them that?”

You /pol/ "Christians" really compete with troons for the victim Olympics

>>521257280
>atheist evangelist
I'm glad you recognize how retarded evangelizing is. And by proxy Christianity, lmao

>>521256703
>no u
Meanwhile all the states with the highest rates of obesity just happen to have a strong overlap with the highest rates of religiosity and Republican votes.

>>521231207
I member

>>521230877 (OP)
The hype died down none cares just like troons

>>521257497
i use this quote all the time.
it shows he has appreciation for the mindset and motivation behind people who proselytize their faith, but the guy fuckin' loathed Christianity if you know anything about him at all whatsoever.

>>521257595
evangelizing the good news is one thing, trying to drag people into your miserable meaningless purposeless religion is just sad.
>nothing ultimately matters, but you ought to give up the fairy tales that make you happy because uhhhh... well there's no reason, like i said nothing ultimately matters, but the Christian ethos is keeping us from having child drag queen shows and having sex with dogs, so we ought to get rid of it

>>521254716
have you considered

>>521240658
this... explains a lot, actually. not sure how i haven't put the dots together before, now that i'm thinking about it

>>521257837
>but the guy fuckin' loathed Christianity
Nah, religion and what a based quote btw

>>521257994
>trying to drag people into your miserable meaningless purposeless religion is just sad.
Which is what you do

>>521257994
>>nothing ultimately matters
I've never said this

Why do you keep lying?

>>521230877 (OP)
People realized the music they liked was gay

>>521258002
>jews!

You lot keep propagating them, kek

>>521257994
>Christian ethos is keeping us from having child drag queen shows and having sex with dogs
That's demonstrably not true lol

>>521258130
>Nah, religion
you won't see him or many other atheists making al-zutt jokes or denouncing the talmud.
most atheists are just antichristians,
healing rocks, ghostly space aliens, krshna consciousness,
most atheists don't give a shit what you believe as long as it's not in the risen Christ, since they know He's the only true God of the universe.
>I've never said this
i don't give a shit about what you say, i'm talking about what the religion of atheism teaches

>>521258307
>you won't see him or many other atheists making al-zutt jokes or denouncing the talmud.
This moronic argument.

Look at your flag dipshit. Which religion dominates the West and has the most divisions spread across the globe? Christianity.

A lot of atheist are former Christians.

What a stupid argument lol

>>521258307
>>I've never said this
>i don't give a shit about what you say
Yes you do. It's why you work so hard to make a strawman about it

>i'm talking about what the religion of atheism teaches
Talk about how you accept trannies though, lmao

>>521258307
>most atheists don't give a shit what you believe as long as it's not in the risen Christ
Nah, you are no different than a tranny who demands others play along with your delusion and when we don't you lot threaten with oogabooga.

Exactly like a tranny

>>521230950
fpbp

sage

>>521258474
>atheists only attack Christianity despite claiming to be against religion in general because they're from Christian cultures!
i'm sure that's part of it but not the whole story.
look at all the godless liberals that voted the twelver shia mamdani into power, or its parallel in the iranian revolution.

atheists, communists, and homosexuals all teamed up with the shia clerics to take down the shah in iran.
they took down the shah, then the shias killed all the atheists, gays and communists.
point is that the atheists were more than happy to work with the psychotic shia clerics, whereas you won't see atheists in america working with Christians on political matters. you people vote in lockstep with the muslims and reformed jews against us.

>>521258696
what's wrong with being a tranny or furry under atheism, where right and wrong can't exist beyond mere preference?

>>521258764
Oh look at this. Another strawman and and a non sequitur whataboutism

Kek, right back to
>>521258696
>Nah, you are no different than a tranny who demands others play along with your delusion and when we don't you lot threaten with oogabooga.
>Exactly like a tranny
Same bullshit, different words

>>521258884
>what's wrong with being a tranny or furry
Kek, right back to
>>521258474
>Talk about how you accept trannies though, lmao
Lmao

>>521258975
>>521258921
stay mad, morbidly obese pseudointellectual heathen

>>521259010
Kek, stop projecting

No atheist movement in the UK online space like the USA space. Mainly because only old people and Africans go to church on Sundays. For everyone else it's just hatch, match and despatch.

The only loud religious people here are JWs which everyone fucking hates and Muslims and you can't criticise them because it's "racist" apparently.