Thread 17989310

Come on now Dave

>>17989310 (OP)
I had to go see what he gave Gable vs Vikingo.
This fag is retarded.

>>17989310 (OP)
dave only gave out like 2 5 star matches for the entire 2000s btw

These ratings are not going to age well at all.

There was nothing particularly super special about that match.

>>17989345
will it age as badly as you saying AEW would get less money than NXT on their media rights deal last year?

Fed faggots bubblin' that their shitty promotion can't put on 5+ star matches lmao

>>17989338
Okay well it's not boomer times no more

>>17989338
>wrestling in the 2000s was terrible
We know

>>17989310 (OP)
The Pigcord did not like this one

it was a good match but no way a 5 star match lol

>>17989310 (OP)
Has Dave ever given less than 5 stars to a Will single match?

>>17989310 (OP)
He’s correct

It’s really sad to learn that the reason Dave was on the right side of quality wrestling until like 20 years ago was because the NWA and the all Japan guys just did cooler moves.

>>17989413
now that's what i call slop

>>17989413
Can take the wrestler out of aew but you can’t take the aew out of the wrestler.

>>17989444
he never was employed by AEW

>>17989310 (OP)
How dare someone have an opinion different to mine. It’s not like we are independent free thinkers capable of our own thoughts living in a country where free speech and free thought is thankfully legal (for the time being until a certain someone get’s into the white house again at leadt)

>>17989413
I'm sure there's ZERO botches in those Assprey matches, right?

>>17989463
>hurr durr its just le opinions
They're dangerous opinions that dipshits like to regurgitate and use as an actual argument as to why something is good, dumbfuck.

>>17989463
But Dave has said before that they're objective. He's given matches that he didn't personally like like the Hangman vs Swerve deathmatch high ratings before.

>>17989484
But we live in a country where thankfully we can decide for ourselves whether something is good or not. Ultimately we can form our own opinions and make our own decisions and the first amendment allows us to voice those opinions as, when, and how we see fit. There is no such thing as a dangerous opinion as long as we live under a government that allows us to express our views and beliefs and opinions freely and without fear of consequences or repercussions.

>>17989413
based babyface gable not wanting to take illegal advantage of an opponent in the ropes

>>17989351
> but but wwe
Jesus Christ , Dave has trained his NPCs well to avoid any criticism by just blaming wwe for everything

>>17989345
There will be video essays in the future about how crazy this time of wrestling was, fans and “writers” convincing themselves this was anything but goofy

>>17989361
>>17989366
You faggots love other faggots who can’t pass airport tests

>>17989310 (OP)
Another all time classic Will Ospreay match that people will cherish and talk about for decades just like the last one that I forgot about already

>>17989525
It's going to be hilarious when those same fags that hype up modern wrestling being the best it's ever been going the youtube grifter route and backtracking

>>17989508
And we live in reality where nobody watches aew yet dave uses his star ratings to defend it

Uh oh smarks are even turning on this “reversal wrestling” style

>>17989310 (OP)
what made this match a 5 star exactly?
I just watched it, it was alright, but i didn't see anything that was mind blowing. They did a little battle storytelling with swerve working the arm but it wasn't worldbreaking like Benoit vs. Guerrero.

How was this a >5 star match, please someone explain to me.

>>17989484
>dangerous opinions
>dave meltzer liked a match a bunch for some dumb reason
>dangerous
you people are fuckin dumber than dave

>>17989413
LMFAOOOOOOOOOOO
THIS WHAT pEdos WATCH??????????????

>>17989545
>what made this match a 5 star exactly?

Dave just said so. He never actually tries to explain, defend or compare these ratings, and that's what makes it so frustrating.

And it'd be fine if Dave was just another message board poster. But people keep tracking of his ratings and use them as a guide, so we'll be hearing about these ratings forever.

>>17989480
unironically they feature no botches

>>17989545
Dave has given some really baffling +5 stars recently. The Fujita/YOH match was OK but not that good. Same with the random STARDOM tag match a couple months ago. Dave doesn't even watch tons of notable Japanese matches and then just awards random mediocre matches high star ratings and his drones act like he's some sort of expert on the Japanese scene.

>>17989310 (OP)
>>17989331
>>17989338
>>17989345
What's wrong, trannies? It's 2025 lol, a 5 star match is below average nowadays. Surely WWE gets loads of 5 star matches?

>>17989338
Yeah wrestling was fucking awful back then.

Didn't the crowd (as small as it is) boo at the end?

>>17989413
LMFAOOOOOO
yeah that was better than ospreay vs swerve......... ON PLANET RETARD!

>>17989338
who cares 5.25 out of infinity means its fucking trash

>>17989604
they booed because it was a draw and they wanted it to continue

>>17989310 (OP)
>kids show fight choreography
>5 stars

>>17989310 (OP)
didn't watch. (Nobody did)

>>17989553
gAyEW exist because of Dave and the fanbase is purely made out of retards saying "BILLY GOAT THE BEST HE GOT LE 5 STARS!" so yes you fucking retarded faggot. Creating a fucking cult off opinions is dangerous. Fucking dumbass.

>>17989618
>hates aew because wwe told him to
life must be hard being as dumb as you lil buddy

AEW chad here

It was a standard match for both of these guys. Good because they're both good but nothing special from either of them. It's a 3.5 star match or a 4 star match at best.

>>17989614
Sounds like a shit ending

>>17989542
I saw the video and I gotta wonder why Swerve even fucking bothers doing this when he moves like he's underwater https://x.com/PublicEnemiesHQ/status/1932954546302574999

>>17989545
>this match is half a star better than taker/michaels at wm 25 and hhh/michaels/benoit from wm 20

>>17989635
It doesn't matter anymore. Wrestling in America has totally given up any pretense of competition or struggle. The attitude of both the wrestlers and the audience is that it's all a big show and we're here to perform together.

this match didn't even have the aew ball gargler spamming the catalog about it

>>17989310 (OP)
the best thing about metlzer is threads like this where people unironically seethe just because of one person's opinion

>>17989626
>>hates aew because wwe told him to
Making shit up out of nowhere now? Kill yourself dipshit

>>17989310 (OP)
Dave is not a serious person

>>17989664
>Both opponents waiting in place and doing obvious flips and dives around the others moves and walking into the next jump for the other
How is this taken seriously as a fight? They literally look like they are doing some acrobatics dance rather than fighting.

>>17989618
The first amendment gives you the right to say this but it also gives Meltzer the right to voice his own opinions and views also and you have to accept that as long as we live in a country where freedom of speech and freedom of expression are covered under the first amendment, just one of many reasons why we are even allowed to make comments like this in a public setting for anyone to see and read unlike in other countries under communist rule where freedom of speech and freedom of expression are not allowed by law and where what one person says and believes is the only thing you are allowed to say and believe. Thankfully we live in a country where we have these freedoms and you better make the most of them because they’re under threat and you don’t know how much longer these freedoms will exist. But until that time you will have to acknowledge that Meltzer has as much right to say what he believes as you do

WWE Money in the Bank 2025

>Women’s Money in the Bank Ladder Match: Naomi vs. Alexa Bliss vs. Stephanie Vaquer vs. Rhea Ripley vs. Roxanne Perez vs. Giulia: 3.5
>Dominik Mysterio vs. Octagón Jr.: 2
>Becky Lynch vs. Lyra Valkyria: 3.5
>Men’s Money in the Bank Ladder Match: Seth Rollins vs. LA Knight vs. Penta vs. El Grande Americano vs. Andrade vs. Solo Sikoa: 4.5
>Cody Rhodes & Jey Uso vs. John Cena & Logan Paul: 3.5

WWE Worlds Collide 2025
>Octagón Jr. & Mr. Iguana & Aero Star vs. Dragon Lee & Lince Dorado & Cruz Del Toro: 4.25
>Stephanie Vaquer & Lola Vice vs. Dalys & Chik Tormenta: 2
>Santos Escobar & Angel & Berto vs. Psycho Clown & Pagano & El Hijo de Dr. Wagner Jr.: 3.5
>Ethan Page vs. Rey Fenix vs. Je’Von Evans vs. Laredo Kid: 4.5
>El Hijo del Vikingo vs. Chad Gable: 4.75

CMLL 6/6 Arena Mexico
>Místico y Atlantis Jr. y Esfinge vs. Ángel de Oro y Hechicero y Volador Jr.: 4.75

WWE Raw 6/9
>Roxanne Perez vs. Liv Morgan vs. Rhea Ripley vs. Kairi Sane: 3.5
>Sami Zayn vs. Penta vs. Dominik Mysterio vs. Bron Breakker: 4.25
>GUNTHER vs. Jey Uso: 4.25

AEW Summer Blockbuster 6/11
>Will Ospreay vs. Swerve Strickland: 5.25
>Bobby Lashley & Shelton Benjamin & MJF vs. Mike Bailey & Kevin Knight & Mascara Dorada: 3.5
>Anna Jay & Tay Melo vs. Penelope Ford & Megan Bayne: 3.5 (fucking lel)
>Bandido vs. The Beast Mortos: 4.25
>Konosuke Takeshita & Josh Alexander & Lance Archer & Hechicero vs. Adam Cole & Roderick Strong & Kyle O’Reilly & Daniel Garcia: 4

>>17989823
I fucking knew this fraud wouldn't give Gable the 5. Bro thinks he's slick.

>>17989823
kek thanks to these ratings we can say with empirical certainty that wwe is dogshit

>>17989823
Just wait until Grand Slam Arena Mexico happens and Dave's markism for CMLL and AEW will fully converge

He might be tossing out 10 star matches

Well deserved. It was an amazing match. Sorry your brain is broken

>>17989562
The ultimate tragedy is that his ratings will be the only surviving curation of matches in 50 years cause the Wikipedia page. Actual helpful lists like dvdvr’s will be dust in the wind.

>>17989717
>How is this taken seriously as a fight?

>>17989861
lmao

>Dave says he liked a wrestling match
>People are seething over it
Everytime

>>17989861
>B-b-but WWE

>>17989832
this is a 5 star match in drone world >>17989413

>>17989310 (OP)
Oh man he REALLY needs AEW to do well.
Inflation and hush payments are really draining this man.

Just die already you fucking Jew. Nobody cares what you think. You're gay little star ratings ruin WWE.

>>17989871
Yeah he should get some fucking taste

>>17989882
Because all wrestling looks fake and stupid when you stop and think about it for 3 seconds. If you want a fight, watch a fight, retard

>>17989413
This is a good match to pEdos LMFAOOOOO

>>17989899
>nobody cares
>spends the whole day seething about it

>>17989310 (OP)
Any nobody else watched it

>>17989932
GMS

>>17989338
A he didn't give a single 5 star match out during the AE. The highest drawing era in history couldn't get one of his little meme 5 star honors so that shows you how much they really mean

>>17989899
Seething over no 5s

>>17989975
>he didn't give a single 5 star match out during the AE
>Bret v Austin
>HBK v Michaels
kek what a seething misinformed pedophile

>>17990001
>HBK vs Michaels

>>17989975
HBK/Taker in HiaC got 5 snowflakes from Dave

>>17989614
>it was a draw
>their two biggest babyfaces lost to wrestling school in demo and overall viewers
Only one of these can be true

>>17990067
GMS

>>17990067
well they're getting paid several times more to air than the wrestling school so yeah id say by your standard it's a draw

>>17990001
>2 matches out of hundreds got 5 stars
The exceptions prove the rule here

>>17989975
You've really gone back and watched those AE PPVs then? Tell me what match you think deserves five stars that isn't HBK vs Taker at HIAC. Cause none of them do unless you like the TLC spotfests.

>>17990076
>they are paying more for less viewers
No wonder WBD is a terribly run company that's objectively falling apart

>>17989310 (OP)
LMAOOOO

>>17990077
Cope harder faggot
Feel free to name all the 5 star matches that took place during the era you all like to say matches didn't matter

>>17990079
the "peopl" that both cry about dave and wax poetic about the attitude era are a weird mix of terminally online zoomers that never actually watched it and boomers that have wet brains

>>17990090
Why are you getting this angry in defense of Dave's golden stars? It'a objective reality that he fucked up his star ratings and overrates everything now because he has to keep it consistent. Why does this bother you so much? It doesn't change anything that happened on AEW. It just diminishes Dave's integrity and that shouldn't bother you unless you are related to Dave or know him personally

>>17990101
>Feel free to name all the 5 star matches that took place during the era you all like to say matches didn't matter

>>17989911
>>17989976
I'm pretty sure >>17989899 was joking
and you both got WORKED

>>17990104
Mankind vs Undertaker hiac is the most important match in wrestling history. If it was done today, Dave would give it 5 stars because he gives matches he doesnt even like 5 stars if he thinks it made a huge impact. Now stop sucking 65 year old's balls for no reason, ya autistic fag

>>17989413
Do e-drones really think this is anywhere near his match with Kenny?

>>17990127
>the most important match in wrestling history.
looooooooooooooool

>>17989413
LMAOOOOO dronies think this is 5-stars. Hahahaha what a bunch of retarded slop eating faggots

>>17990127
>Mankind vs Undertaker hiac is the most important match in wrestling history
This might be the dumbest thing I've ever seen posted on here

>>17990001
>>HBK v Michaels
wha

>>17990159
>>17990199
NTA but which would you place higher in terms of significance?

>>17990001
>HBK v Michaels

>>17990127
>If it was done today
it would be a smackdown midcard match

>>17989310 (OP)
People who take boomer dave seriously are retard inbreds. In fact dave's only base are boomers.

why doesn't somebody else just start a fresh rating system?

>>17990985
The first one since it was so successful and everything in it is still copied today + Foley's whole motivation was to one-up Michaels' bump off the cage anyway. Nobody has or can really copy anything specifically from Mankind-Taker except adding thumbtacks randomly

>>17989310 (OP)
Has anyone devalued their ranking system harder than Dave Meltzer? I can only think of IGN

>>17991166
if it was truly devalued there would be 100 less replies to this thread and every other one

>>17991204
It's mostly people just dunking on dave because he's such a lolcow

>>17991209
imagine seething this badly over a critic not giving your preferred promotion enough high ratings lmao

>>17991112
because nobody cares what anyone besides big dave thinks about wrestling ratings and that's a fucking SHOOT

>>17991218
imagine bootlicking this badly over a boomer who has no real job and grifts marks like you off of spreading gossip and lies lmao

>>17991209
imagine making that jpg and calling anyone else a lolcow

>>17991236
2 seconds of chatgpd to expose this boomer fraud for who he really Is

>>17991239
>chatgpd
GMS, why not leave your girlfriend out of it

>>17991239
>chatgpd
whoopsee!

>>17991233
bro you're insanely mad lol
make up your own star ratings and newsletter, im sure people will pay you for it because daves is so terrible

Faggot fucker.

>>17991278
We don't blogpost about e-drones here

>>17991474
Lmfao

>>17991474
kek buried

>>17989413
even the announcer got confused by that

>>17989310 (OP)
both those guys fucking suck both inside and out of the ring. that's why gayew ratings keep going down and they job to nxt every week

>>17989413
>pEdos said this should get a higher rating than Swerve/Ospreay
LMAOOO

>>17991233
Kek that jew got flamed

>>17991275
You have to at least acknowledge the objective fact that Dave fucked his own ratings up to the point where now anything less than a 4 star match feels like it will be mediocre so now he has to give everything 4's unless it's really good or really bad. You can at least agree with this reality, correct?

>>17989413
dang this got the drones riled up

>>17991843
you really need to get a grip dude
it's a critic offering star ratings for a product he covers. just fucking don't read it if it makes you this mad.

>>17991843
True

>>17991843
>now anything less than a 4 star match feels like it will be mediocre
As I am not a weakminded little bitch, this does not apply to me. You?

>>17989832
dave loves gable, he’s trying to put him over by making you subconsciously associate him with kurt even more
NO FIVEY

>>17989310 (OP)
A meaningless filler finisher spam tv match that ended in a time limit draw and a heel beatdown that everyone hated is officially better than every single match Kurt Angle ever had