this is faker than flippyshit

>>18121608 (OP)
It just looks like choreographed bullshit

>>18121608 (OP)
>trying to pin your opponent in innovative ways is... LE BAD!

>>18121707
>trying to pin
Sure let me roll up this midget nigger and then push him over as I go for a pin.

niglet midget sucks
it was pretty funny when Tony made him job to Claudio

>>18121719
Now that was a humiliation ritual.

>>18121707
>innovative
this shit is more cooperative and fake than young bucks flips

>>18121719
Where does this nigdget's ego come from exactly? He believes he should be the top guy in every promotion he wrestles in.

>>18121902
A desperate, still owned by Sinclair Broadcasting ROH put the title on him to try and stir up some chatter because of they were thinking 'OMG the underdog black manlet actually won a world title! What an unexpected surprise.' would draw the smark and progressive wrestling fan base to the watch the product. So seeing as ROH was long seen as a workrate company, Gresham thinks his name should be in the same breath as Danielson, Punk, Joe, Lethal and McGuiness and be held to the same esteem as they are.

>>18121608 (OP)
Gresham is too small to be doing technician shit and that's saying something because it's something plenty of smaller guys do like Danielson. At a certain height you are restricted to comedy or high-flying if it's going to look the least bit convincing.

>>18121608 (OP)
Can't stand either of these guys but that's a solid sequence

>>18122036
As an addendum I think Taiji Ishimori is a good example of a compromise. He's a very small technician who wrestle some heavyweights but he also throws in cheating heel tactics and high-flying into the mix in addition to working mostly in the NJPW's junior division. Gresham's style could work but he'd have to be in a company with a junior division and be wiling to put the ego aside and do the odd comedy spot against a big guy.

>>18121608 (OP)
It literally is flippy shit though. Just with ground based choreography and tumbling instead of using the ropes.
Absolute garbage.

>>18122053
It isn't. It's too lose and slow. Watch any random World of Sport match from the 70s if you want to see similar sequences done correctly.

OP's just needs to slow down and put a little more grit on everything. Bad in practice not theory.

>>18122096
>World of Sport match from the 70s
Catweasel would fit in with today's modern style.

>>18121608 (OP)
there is nothing wrong with this
there is no flippyshit here either
and the crowd is literally giving them a standing ovation
you watch starwhores and maricold because you are a joshipedo
yeah i don't think you have any room to talk about zack sabre junior

>>18122145
>there is nothing wrong with this
>there is no flippyshit here either
>and the crowd is literally giving them a standing ovation
>you watch starwhores and maricold because you are a joshipedo
>yeah i don't think you have any room to talk about zack sabre junior

>>18121608 (OP)
>posts flippy shit

>>18122096
Thanks for telling me what I think

>>18122264
You're welcome.

>>18121608 (OP)
This could be the realest looking shit in the world and it'd still be stupid. The problem isn't even that the moves look fake, it's that hundreds of these exact meaningless matches with no purpose or story happen every single week in random promotions to diminishing audiences and nobody ever stops to think "why do we keep doing this"
Like genuinely what's the fucking point of all this indie shit? AEW for all its faults always has multiple ongoing stories at a time and angles all over the show, but the indies don't even try with anything. Just wrestling for its own sake.

I would be fine with all of the shuckin and jivin bullshit if they went down immediately after a clean hit. This crap plus the no selling is what pisses me off.

>>18122345
>Just wrestling for its own sake.
There's nothing wrong with this. There's an audience for it so that's why it exists. And 'storytelling' wrestling only works if the story is good and more often than not it isn't these days.

somebody post the webm of Gresham in the Big Swing kek

>>18121707
That's not innovative
That's forced

>>18121608 (OP)
I hate this. There's no sense of rising tension or room for cheering anyone on. It's like watching lottery balls rolling around until one of them randomly wins.

Why can't people just fake fight anymore?

>>18122370
>There's an audience for it so that's why it exists
The actual audience for indie wrestling is that there are locals who are fans of TV wrestling and want to see a live wrestling show they can afford. They're not there to see a black battletoad roll around on the mat. Yeah the Brits might like this stuff but this show happened in Canada.

>>18121608 (OP)
They both look like dimeless geeks.
What indie is this?

>>18122150
If SidgGOD thinks this, then it must be true.

>>18122567
Because short form media dominates the landscape now. Wrestlers live and die based on their ability to be recognised. You can't go viral with a 60 minute psychological Broadway. Attention spans are too low.
There's "milestones" in marketing now. The first one is 1 second. Within 1 second, the person has decided whether they are going to ignore what's in front of them. The next is 3 seconds. The next is 8 seconds. If they watch the first 8 seconds then there's a good chance they'll watch the next 5 minutes.
So any clips have to be visually interesting in the first 1-8 seconds. Which means to go viral and promote your brand then the shortest distance that that is choreographed flippy shit. This is a variant on that. The reason these finishes exist is because they want to spawn highlights which prompt discussion about the wrestlers. They weren't trying to entertain an audience.

>>18122583
>They're not there to see a black battletoad roll around on the mat
Fuck you I wanna see that. Just not Gresham.

Buddy is the better manlet.

It's amazing to me that people don't see a difference between shit like this and Angle and Benoit doing mat wrestling.

>>18123362
>Angle and Benoit doing mat wrestling
That shit's not much better either. Two extremely overrated wrestlers who overvalued doing meaningless bullshit because it looks mechanically "impressive" but gets a pass from retards because it happened in the Good Company
The German suplex spam spot is awful

>>18121608 (OP)
Would Bret have sold for the tiny nig?

>>18121608 (OP)
He looks like those dogs that people breed to be fucked up looking

>>18121608 (OP)
Looks like every single will offspray match

>>18123677
even if you think that you have to admit at least their moves had real snap and impact to them unlike op

Hot ish take: I roll you roll I roll you roll we roll for like a minute straight is just grounded flippy shit. It’s just constant movement to appeal to adhd fans but if you slow it down, none of the movement actually means anything

Not a fan of ZSJ but I have to give them credit that it doesn't look completely cooperative.

>>18122264
He never said you don’t actually think that he disagreed with you. You fucking idiot.

>>18123794
You’d be giving them credit they don’t deserve because it looks like they’re just playing around.

>>18123817
Let me put it like this: they're doing a bunch of silly moves, but they're well executed silly moves

>>18123701

ZSJ is bitchtits?

>>18123836
i disagree honestly. it doesn't look like any of the submissions are applying any pressure. it looks like he's going move to move without doing any damage at all. it needs more snap and to feel more aggressive/tight

>>18123847
There aren't any submissions in the clip. Those are all fancy pin attempts

>>18121608 (OP)
This IS flippy shit.

>>18121707
sure when its actually innovative and smooth.
Not clunky, obviously choreographed, and phony like that.

>>18121608 (OP)
Gresham and Low Ki should have a shoot fight and see which one has more mark manlet rage.

>>18121608 (OP)
gaeyw trannies will look at this and unironically believe it's not some amateur hour overly contrived bullshit.

>>18121608 (OP)
Good thing NJPW sees Zack as their savior and gave him the World title again