Thread 18353771

WE ARE REACHING LEVELS OF GRIM PREVIOUSLY THOUGHT TO BE IMPOSSIBLE

>fire your biggest draw
>attendance plummets
Wow

>>18353780
They didn't fire Naito, he left

>>18353771 (OP)
Why can't President Tanahashi draw?

>>18353795
Wasn't the story that they didn't have any interest in signing him to a new contract?

>>18353771 (OP)
The BOSJ finals did more than double this number, what went so wrong in just two months?

>>18353771 (OP)
so THIS is the power of shota umino fucking sucks..............

>>18353771 (OP)
The Tony Effect

it's literally up to that olympic nigga to save this company

>>18353806
the guy that was in an undercard tag match? why so obsessed with him? did he rape you?

>>18353771 (OP)
The office needed to change yesterday. They have no idea who they want to push as the new face of the company while indulging in their love for western indie slop.

>>18353800
naito wanted more money and they told him to kick rocks
he prolly jelly of nakamura and okada raking in the dough

>>18353771 (OP)
So how long until they're pleading with Naito to come back?

>>18353827
not what happened, you made all of that up

>>18353825
they're obviously going to build everything around the olympic nigga bro. he's training now, everything until his debut is filler.

if they could poach takeshita for every PPV at least he should obviously be IWGP champ for the next 4 years

>>18353839
takeshita is an anti draw in japan, you don't know what you're talking about retard-sama

>>18353771 (OP)
I thought gAyEW was supposed to help their partners? You don't see TNA drawing their lowest crowd cause they teamed up with WWE

Harold was right

>>18353837
that's exactly what happened
naito SAID some bullshit about how they need to value matches more
they offered him a contract and he said no
they offered him another contract and he said no
then they said fuck off

he said it wasn't about money when he literally previous said it was.

>>18353854
it's about money that's why he's working a rev pro show today and he's not working idk cmll or aew, whatever you say retard

Vince could unironically save them if he brought in Brock and co.

>>18353870
Unironically this, the Japanese love Brock and I feel like insane storylines is exactly what NJPW needs right now.

>>18353896
>the Japanese love Brock
????? in what world do you live in? certainly not the same as mine

>>18353771 (OP)
>indie fed draws indie crowd numbers
Shocking

>>18353847
Hes an anti-draw in America too

>>18353847
strange how all of the japanese fans worship him innit?
he's a guest in an antidraw promotion, if he was there permanently with the company built around him he's obviously by far the most important young japanese wrestler in the world. if NJPW could compete with american money they'd have already signed and pushed him as the next generation's ace years ago.

>>18353864
so he got paid thousands to fly take a vacation in the uk, do fuck all in the ring while bushi takes all the bumps, and have a cozy vacation? NJPW has a demanding schedule and an expectation of hard work, he wants them to pony up for it. otherwise he'll go coast for the rest of his career on the indies.

>>18353771 (OP)
I have a friend who's interested in the Takeshita matches, so I've been sending him links to them, and the state of the crowd at wednesday's B Block show was fucking deplorable
They deserve it all tho. The only good decision NJPW made since covid times 5 years ago was the Goto run.

>>18353912
>ummmmm actually the chinkos hate Brock for some reason I my weeb retard brain

>>18353771 (OP)
DEAR OH DEAR

>>18353771 (OP)
Tony Khan killed NJPW.

>>18353771 (OP)
Jesus christ AEW really fucked NJ didnt it?

is puro finally dying?, even its largest promotion is cratering in interest in current year

>>18353964
>he got paid thousands
in yen maybe, not in a real currency that's for sure

>>18354176
NOAH has been the most consistent this year but Joshi is dominating the industry

The G in G1 stands for Grim

>>18354206
>Joshi is dominating the industry
Just like New Japan to the rest of the industry, it is literally just Stardom with everyone else 40 rungs below it

>>18353827
>naito wanted more money and they told him to kick rocks
They likely couldn't afford it

>>18353771 (OP)
>Make Gabe Kidd a prominent name in your company
>Your audience disappears
I'm not sure who expected anything else

>>18354303
For real it made more sense to settle on ZSJ or ELP as top gaijin but they went with the ugliest unmarketable guy they had

>>18353850
Because AEW is a shitty partner. Even Japan audience seems to hate them judging of the Wrestle Dynasty attendance

>>18353771 (OP)
Thanks Tony!

>>18353771 (OP)
AEW killed NJPW

>>18353771 (OP)
The contrast between working with AEW and working with WWE is stark.

>>18354206
Yes and it's all thanks to my future wife carrying them.

Ok I'm just gonna say it, NJPW needs to change up their booking style. I'm sorry if it offends but they are booking too many of these pointless messy tag matches. When you combine that with the near-complete lack of storytelling outside the ring, it makes for a boring show. They have some of the best athletes in the game but they just aren't drawing interest.

We learned about the dark age of NJPW. Right now it is the grim era.

>>18353771 (OP)
Damn those are 2019 smackdown numbers

Imagine if that shitty 5STAR card outdraws this

>saves you are promotion
ez

ROH and NJPW catered to the 30-40 year old virgin smark crowd. These people get bored and fuck off to the next new shiny thing. Right now it's AEW. Someday it will be something else.

>>18353771 (OP)
>outdrawn by TJPW
kek

>>18353771 (OP)
For context, Juggalo Championship Wrestling and Maple Leaf Pro are regularly doing shows with around 2,000 in attendance.

>>18353771 (OP)
lower than Marigold in Ota?
how dire

When will New Japan cut out the cancer that is killing them? Tony Khan is a blight on the wrestling landscape.

>>18354719
AEW existing with the amount on money Tony has to spend really just changes the landscape for smaller companies entirely. With such a clear #2 any people that start to make a name for themselves are inevitably getting signed. Even if not by AEW than by WWE just so AEW can't have them.
Tony being an autist leads me to believe AEW will be around for quite a while. He might literally have to die for it to end.

meanwhile stardom are white hot

>>18354837
It already lost half its audience. Half a million people said
>I want something new... but this ain't it
It still has a similar problem to WWE. Without the cable TV boomers who are not going to follow you to streaming, you lose a majority of your audience.

NJPW's only chance for survival is telling AEW to fuck off. They can never rebuild themselves with Tony making them come off like a joke and constantly poaching their top talent.

>>18354837
>Tony being an autist leads me to believe AEW will be around for quite a while
AEW shuts down the millisecond Shad stops sinking his money into it.

>>18354719
>30-40 year old virgin smark crowd
... this was their online audience, not the people who were actually buying tickets to their shows

>>18354281
TJPW literally put more people in ota city general gym like 4-5 days ago. And out drew a lot of their american shows with their dallas attendance.

>>18353803
>why did a random night of G1 sell less than BOSJ finals and Champions Carnival Finals and Marigold during January 4th week and Natsupoi's anniversary show.
I don't know genius.

>>18354892
Half their matches are smothered in guests like Desperado and they're gonna go back to Korakuen next month with 800 people in attendance. They're not setting the world on fire outside of the one Dallas show

>>18353795
Look, when Muta retired he said straight up that if the business goes down it's Naito's fault, and he probably self-exiled with Bushi over that shit. Tana is out the door and half of the new gen can't draw 2 pennies. Gedo will not have a convenient death either at this rate

>>18354892
Stardomfags shaking in their boots reading the truth

>>18353771 (OP)
I just watched the show.
Most of the card was composed of heatless tag matches, the type that if you've seen one of them then you've seen them all.
Then they give you two actual G1 matches and I don't think any of the wrestlers involved are good enough to be more than jobbers in WWE/AEW, the slavic guy has potential but his gimmick is rotten, the hat makes it looks like something Vince would slap on you before releasing you from your contract.

>>18354837
AEW has truly been devastating for the health of the wrestling industry. I'm glad that they're shrinking and I do hope Shad pulls the plug on his son's dream soon.

AEW's fault desu. Overexposed their talent and poached the guy they literally have been building the company around for the past 10 years.

>>18354881
>>18354995
see I don't see Shad pulling the plug anytime soon. I don't know if AEW is actually profitable, but I'd imagine at the moment at least they're not unprofitable enough for Shad to really care if it's still his money behind it. In fact it seems likely he gave Tony enough money at this point that Tony might be able to bankroll it himself for the forseeable future without his father's support.

>>18353912
I know Inoki loved him enough to just throw the strap on him as soon as he got there.

>>18355050
Absolutely dire news for all wrestling outside of WWE.

>>18353771 (OP)
Oof

The moment they made the partnership with AEW official i stopped watching, i wasn't wrong, seeing Moxley win the top belt pretty much confirmed they entered a new dark age.

Maybe NJPW should run a residency in a smaller venue.

>>18353771 (OP)
>unironically posting peps the groomed

>>18354657
And 2025 Dynamite numbers.

>>18355065
Retarded newfag. go look up what happened after

>>18353771 (OP)
attendance? why does nujapan need something like that? are you forgetting the main reason why nujapan exists? its to be a developmental for aew. you dont need money or attendance. just keep training new wrestlers for aew. know your place you nujamal faggots. dont you fucking dare get cocky.

>"Oh you're sad your lil indie/Jap favourite signed with WWE?! It's a business kid and the goal is to make money!"
>*Japanese talent signs for AEW*
>"Noooo you can't do that! Tony is killing the business and poaching all the talent! Fuck him and fuck the talent for making money! They should stay in Japan for some miso soup and a handshake eeeeeeee"

Make it make sense.

>>18357304
its aew derangement syndrome
truth is that aew saved new japan
without aew's power new japan wouldn't be able to stay afloat
new japan should be thankful to tony
they should do the dogeza

PUT THE BELT BACK ON MOXLEY ASAP

>>18353771 (OP)
The AEW effect

>>18357374
finna benoit myself when Tanahashi actually does it

>>18353771 (OP)
Is this the AEW bump?

>>18353771 (OP)
How is this possible? I thought President Trannyhashi was the 'Based Ace' and a draw?

>>18353780
Cater to foreigners with absolute gaijin shitters

Why isn't this drawing?

>>18354176
It started dying when pro wrestlers got exposed in PRIDE and then Inoki sperged out and killed NJPW with his shoot fighter fetish that finally drove off the rest of the audience. It never recovered and it never will.

>>18353771 (OP)
>NJPW's big tournament got outdrawn by TJPW in the same building a week earlier
What an absolutely friendly turn of events.

Where do you start? Old geezers like Tana still sucking the life out of this thing. Shit groups like HOT shitting up the cards (just like Ozawa's group in NOAH). Terrible booking. To break it down, NJPW is shit now. Stardom is shit now. NOAH is shit now. Flushed with a can of rice.

Surprisingly. Joshi puro is red hot unlike NJPW

>>18354881
Yeah honestly the promotion going full isolationist and rebuilding from there would be for the best. I get the short term benefits of the AEW partnership like the yearly big payday for Forbidden Door but long term its only hurt them.

>>18353771 (OP)
OTTAWARD CANADA

Wrestling was better off in 2018. Having two WWEs is killing everyone. To the point where WWE is having to jump in and save other promotions.

>>18358241
If they can find a new Ichiban with carisma out the ass, it could. At least in Japan

>>18358295
Yummy. I can see why

>>18358664
You need native stars for him to go against. Fans in the 70's and 80's legit believed that top pro wrestlers were the toughest guys in the country. Even if they didn't completely believe the matches were legit, they believed guys like Inoki, Maeda and Hashimoto were legit. You can't get that back after wrestling was exposed by MMA and kayfabe got shattered by Takahashi's books.

>>18358664
Aaron Wolf doesnt have a charisma at all

>>18358953
Ooh. I forgot about those books. But do you think enough time has passed for those books to have left the Japanese conscience? Only the harcore marks would remember or even one to find and read

>>18358010
this might be the worst thing I've ever seen, I hope he never recovers

>>18358953
This. Does anyone on the planet believe that ZSJ is a legit tough guy?

>>18353771 (OP)
They really need to change up their whole young lion system. Accept at least a dozen young lions. The more students they take in the better the odds of one of them being future dimes instead of ending up a Wato or Shota. Then fast track their training. No more of this retarded 5 years of indentured servitude crap. A year tops of training in Japan, a short Mexican excursion, and then boom they're ready.

>>18358241
>It never recovered and it never will.

I believe that olympic nigga will turn things around.

Peps isn't a reliable source of information.

Bump

>>18358953
>kayfabe got shattered by Takahashi's books.
QRD on this ?

>>18362136
You mean Asahi didn't die in a car accident?

>>18363443
Former New Japan ref Teruo Takahashi retired and wrote a bunch of tell all books exposing the business as fake.

>>18363514
fraid not

>>18353771 (OP)
Grim Jamal

>>18364097
FUCK YOU

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>>18353771 (OP)
The amount of Joshi threads in page one confirms this one hurts the smark