Thread 18578725

First of all, I'm mexican and I'm an unrecognized wrestling expert (I'm not interested in fame). I'm someone who really knows what I'm talking about. I feel compelled to make the following clarification because people around the world are wondering why mexicans don't like Hijo del Vikingo and the immediate response is that the mexican fans are simply throwing a tantrum because WWE did not hire Alberto el Patrón. NO, it's NOT as easy and silly as that. Let me explain a little bit.

First of all, AAA is a company with a very bad reputation in Mexico. AAA is practically synonymous of a 'ridiculous circus', something that connoisseurs will have been able to appreciate yesterday. Since its founder died (Antonio Peña), the company became increasingly shitty, passing through the hands of his sister (that old lady who looks like a mummy who knows nothing about anything) and his brother-in-law, and when the brother-in-law died, the nephew, the fat, sullen guy in the colorful jacket who accompanied El Mesías the last night, called Dorian Roldán, took over the management. That idiot, along with Konan, were in charge of destroying AAA over time with stupid decisions and putting their ego above all else, delivering a lousy product that has no kind of prestige, neither around the world nor among mexicans either. That's the reason why AAA ended up bankrupt and was sold to WWE who impulsively acquired the 'company' as a response to the actions of AEW and Tony Khan in their successful alliance with CMLL. WWE basically bought a children's entertainment company, a bankrupt company that didn't even have 10 wrestlers signed under contract, most of them just clowns. I mention this because it is necessary for you to know the ineptitude of Dorian Roldan as head of the AAA (and the shit that Konan is at the helm, perhaps even trying to get revenge on the AAA by destroying it from within due to old grudges).

>>18578725 (OP)
Didn't read but I agree.

>>18578725 (OP)
>I'm mexican
proof? also tldr

>>18578725 (OP)
I not only believe you but your post reads incredibly boomer and third world so I’m inclined to believe that not only are you a Mexican, but also that you probably work there.

This is where the story begins. El Hijo del Vikingo was never an important wrestler. He was a filler wrestler, never intended for starring roles. As you can see, he stands out for making some flights that many classify as 'very impressive', but he's not really that great wrestler as you may think, as there are plenty of wrestlers of that kind in Mexico. Just take a look at what CMLL has to offer and you'll realize there are many wrestlers far more spectacular than him, like Máscara Dorada, Neón, or maybe Komander and Bandido which are perhaps the most famous. CMLL is a company sunk in the past in many ways, which is why they are lacking in areas such as their exposure or marketing, which is why their product has remained somewhat hermetic during all these years, being the longest-running wrestling company in the world.

If El Hijo del Vikingo got the spotlight it was thanks to comments made by Meltzer and Kenny Omega about what a "great, wonderful and spectacular wrestler" he was. But that's because neither Meltzer nor Kenny Omega really know a damn thing about mexican 'lucha libre'. All they knew was AAA shit since at that time AAA and AEW had an alliance. And among the shitty wrestlers that AAA had (because all the icons and legends of that company abandoned it thanks to the idiot Dorian Roldan and his complex of being a fat dwarf with a small penis who inherited a successful and consolidated company for himself), El Hijo del Vikingo was the most striking for his acrobatic jumps.

>>18578725 (OP)
>First of all, I'm mexican

>>18578725 (OP)
Hog on wheels, just a few words for a real mexican. Chingas a tu reputisima madre puto discapacitado pendejo

>>18578725 (OP)
I just think it's funny this board stopped shitting on Vikingo once WWE bought AAA lmao

>>18578725 (OP)
Damn sounds like AAA sucks. Idk anything about it except when Kenny Omega won their top belt a few years ago during his belt collector reign.

(Part 3)

Thanks to Omega's positive comments and the PWI ranking list, Dorian Roldán turned to El Hijo del Vikingo and placed him as his most valuable asset, seeking to exploit his recent fame (since for him El Hijo del Vikingo was never a nobody, just one more of the bunch). And so it was that this mediocre wrestler suddenly became the supposed big star of Mexico that he never really was, but foreigners ate up the publicity since the talent from CMLL, and from independent companies, have never been interested in projecting their product or their talent outside of this country. This allowed Dorian Roldán and El Hijo del Vikingo to steal the world's attention all by themselves, selling the image of that mediocre fighter as if he were the greatest revelation this country has produced in recent times. Even so, here El Hijo del Viikingo was very rarely put in stellar places when he fought in local functions being the maximum champion of AAA and after being a figure of international fame thanks to the comments of Kenny Omega (who evidently did not know Máscara Dorada, Neón, Komander, or any talent outside AAA, which was the company with which AEW was collaborating at that time and Meltzer is just a poser who didn't watch mexican wrestling back then either).

All of this was to say that for mexican people, El Hijo del Vikingo has never been a star or an idol. He's always been just another mediocre fighter who only knows how to jump. However, mexicans are very used to constantly seeing what El Hijo del Vikingo does with other wrestlers who are much better than him but much less famous. For mexicans, El Hijo del Vikingo is really nobody, added to the fact that his poor physical appearance, his appearance that is not that of an athlete, and his short stature that also have nothing to do with a Viking.

>>18578725 (OP)
I asked AI to summarize
>Mexican fans dislike Hijo del Vikingo not because of WWE's hiring decisions, but due to AAA's poor reputation as a "ridiculous circus" under Dorian Roldán and Konan's mismanagement, which led to its bankruptcy and acquisition by WWE.

>>18578747
IP is a mexican border hopper. Got it

(Part 4)

He was previously a Mega Champion, but none of his matches stood out or drew attention. They were mediocre. Did you know the Omega vs Vikingo dream match happened? Why do you think no one talks about that match? That match went from being the dream match for many to being just another match, unimportant like so many others. That's because Vikingo is really a product of advertising and marketing, he's not someone out of the ordinary as they try to sell it to foreigners.

Alberto was also irrelevant for a long time until recently when he gained the attention and recognition of the public by doing a great job as a heel. So when WWE made the spoiler that Vikingo was going to take the championship from Alberto, people clearly felt very insulted.

But it's not really because mexicans want Alberto in WWE and they are crying about it, but because Vikingo doesn't have any kind of credibility to be champion, and AAA has had the great idea of making him win with help in all his last matches. People see Alberto as a legitimate champion in terms of his physical performance, his work, and his appearance or physical presence. Something that is NOT seen with Vikingo, who is not only known for being a MEDIOCRE and dwarf wrestter, but also won the championship with help and has retained it with help since it was given to him. That is the reason for the hatred towards him, that nobody respects him nor did anyone respect him before. He has always been a mediocre wrestler who has been sold to foreigners as the last great thing in mexican lucha libre but it's just a farce that takes advantage of your ignorance about AAA and what's beyond AAA.

>>18578725 (OP)
>>18578745
>>18578762
>>18578779
Thank you for educating the gringo e-nigger fans geuy. AAA is slop incarnate just like wwe, it's why they mesh so well together.

>>18578743
Yes, whatever you want, but what I say is true.

>>18578725 (OP)
Before the buy out I always heard AAA called Mexican TNA. Is that an accurate assessment?

guey*

>>18578827
Absolutely, man. They're made for each other. A shitty product for mediocre morons. The world hasn't really seen anything of mexican lucha libre. Forget WWE and AAA, there's so much more. Vikingo is shit, and they're swallowing it all.

>>18578843
Well, I think TNA was better. AAA had a great era with its founder Antonio Peña, but when he died, it slowly went to shit. AAA was still very cool until approximately 2014. Maybe the first 2 seasons of Lucha Underground can be told as well, but after that... just shit...

>>18578876
gAyEW Rampage was canceled because gAyEW is unwatchable dogshit but keep coping I guess

>>18578725 (OP)
CMLL doesnt give international fans a reason to watch unfortunately, and i say that as a spanish speaking person. They need English commentary at the very least if they dont wanna get mogged by AAA again.

>>18578754
I think yourself have been able to see it with your own eyes recently (if you are honest). Why do you think WWE chose to buy that shit instead of forming an alliance like with TNA or NOAH? Because AAA simply wasn't up to the task of an alliance. It was a bankrupt clown company (without its own wrestlers or buildings) that had been giving away 50% of its tickets for years and still couldn't fill its events. Just look at what AAA brings to WWE. They're just childish clowns cracking jokes in the ring. None of them have the physique of an athlete; they're all slow and bad at wrestling.

>>18578725 (OP)
Well, Konan being a shitter isn't a surprise, and I say that with reverence to some of his career, he's an old goober that's stuck in some self-grandiose honor for himself and the company's history that's not a gimmick when he talks on the English broadcast for Triplemania. He's just too old and grumpy and too tied to glorifying what was. Like a shittier JR except JR wouldn't try to put himself over as someone who could fight guests in the audience.

There's no "lie" per say about Vikingo, he's undeserving and unlovable and forced to a position he can't handle because everyone sees what it is and why he is there: It's the closest thing to a poster boy they have unless they want to put a clown or a masked guy as a face of the company so that's why he's put there, when the company is handed over to people who believe that you need an actual face to front the company at least initially.
They chose a goblin faced motherfucker whose gimmick is not even being a Mexican. If you got a mexican guy, who has something like a mariachi gimmick, that doesn't wear a mask and is a face, and can speak passable English, fucking call AAA and TKO right now, because you'll get a rocket strapped on you to replace this mofo.

As for childrens show, fucking a, that's what you want if you want to grow, but of course, even kids can see through if you present them shit like it has no class or prestige, you just book with reckless abandon just to draw some kids in.

>>18578963
AAA just disgraced WWE with tranny shit, you shouldn't be defending them. TKO fucked up, they never should have bought that dumpster fire of a promotion. It's not mexican TNA, it's more like mexican GCW lol.

>>18579003
agree, I literally want to watch and support CMLL and the only thing stopping me is the lack of english commentators. All they have to do is hire two guys who speak english and they will put AAA out of business again.

Last time AAA had a decent program was Perro Agayo vs Myztezyz

Rey Mysterio accidentally killing Perrito forever doomed that company of its last loyal ace

i knew once hhh was seen at the event behind the scenes it would be predictable

same old boring shit from a god awful booker

>>18579003
Yes, and I say this with pain, for the international public it is not easy to watch CMLL. There are no english commentators, you can only watch the product by going to Arena México or paying for a YouTube membership that costs more than double what Netflix costs, and they don't advertise abroad. They rely entirely on the publicity they get from their partnership with AEW and NJPW. They are so old-fashioned and conformist in terms of business. But I'm not lying to you, there're many of the best wrestlers in the world there and you can see matches that are valuable like jewels everyfFriday without being special events. During the week of the Grand Slam Mexico, there were two more events at the Arena Mexico. Bandido gave us two five-star matches that same week. Those 3 days were like living in ecstasy.

But no one found out about that because no one in the world watched the shows except those of us who went to see them there in the Arena Mexico (the arena was packed every day) or those who saw them because of the membership. And that's because CMLL doesn't make it easy to consume their product, which is stupid and shitty too because they deserve much more success and recognition than they get due to their own apathy and arrogance. I can only recommend that you try to watch what's happening in CMLL if you can and if you really like high-level wrestling!

>>18579137
Rampage was fucking canceled, tranny. Seethe about it

How do Hijo del Vikingo compared to his dad in terms of star power locally?

>>18578725 (OP)
Understandable OP, I am Chinese.

>>18579013
Good post and thread. This has been very informative. I truly didn't know anything about it but everything you're saying makes. Didn't watch triple mania but everything I'm seeing about it does look like a bunch of clowns.

>>18579183
It won't uncancel Rampage, and Dynamite loses to the wrestling school every week, tranny.

>>18579143
I think Rampage is for trannies and also that AAA sucks. Kill yourself

>>18579138
In terms of in-ring ability I would agree that CMLL is the best in the world.

If he had to drop it to one of the WWE guys he was in a match with last night, who would you pick?

>>18578725 (OP)
What do Mexican audience think about the current direction of WWE AAA? While I don't watch a lot of AAA or lucha but aware the changes since WWE takeover
>side hardcam instead of facing entrance hardcam
>doesn't use six sided ring
>lack of technically difficulties
>main event are standard world title bout instead of traditional wager match

>First of all, I'm mexican

Stopped reading there. Go back.

>>18579025
I totally agree. I'm serious when I say Konan has secretly tried to destroy AAA. He betrayed the company 3 times before and has a grudge against the Peña family. All the stars who made AAA great have left the company thanks to him and are always talking shit about Konan. He's a fucking cancer. But since he has Mysterio and Penta supporting him, WWE really thinks it's doing the right thing by having him there as a parasite...

>>18578725 (OP)
>>18578745
>>18578762
>people are booing vikingo because cmll is better
Fuck out of here beaner

>>18578963
>>18579143
>>18579187
You are the worst poster on this site

>>18579147
His father never achieved anything. Mexico only knew he existed because Hijo del Vikingo gained fame in recent times. He's really a nobody

>>18579223
I loved it when based psicosis slapped the shit out of him

>>18579161
Greetings to you in your distant country, colleague!

Is it true CMLL fans believe their wrestling isn't scripted?

>>18579267
That was so fuuuucking epic!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpTb346-egg

>>18579183
That's right, amigo! In short, El Hijo del Vikingo is a product of advertising and a farce sold to foreigners, and AAA is a company of clowns and children's entertainers that was bankrupt and that WWE itself knew wasn't worthy of an alliance, which is why they bought it.

>>18579199
Yes, and I'm not saying this in a boastful way, but it's obvious that WWE fans are least interested in wrestling, but rather in all the glamour that surrounds it. Those who really like wrestling or lucha libre (same thing), and know about it, think the same as you.

>>18579203
Well, if you do the math, yesterday there were more WWE wrestlers than AAA wrestlers. Maybe Dragon Lee or El Grande Americano would have made the public happier, many even asked for Dominik as champion. Perhaps Dominik could tell a better story than Dragon Lee. El Grande Americano has been a success in Mexico and everyone here loves him, but he's just a funny joke and that's all. I don't think he has more to offer as a champion. I don't know, what do you think?

>>18579356
>"Entertainment bad, graps good"
>Hates the flipper that is decent at graps
I bet you loved vikingo when he was flipping with kenny

>>18579203
Obviously Americano
Dom is the meme pick, he's not ready for a championship on a serious level yet until he get get real heel heat without a woman.

>>18578746
not everyone lives in your third world shithole tyrone

>>18579477
Id want it as more a re-assignment and not dual programs.I think only Americano can do that currently as you have Dom being paired with Liv and the fallout of Judgement Day on the horizon. If Dragon Lee leaves than LWO disappears completely and I think they need them around as theyre trying to make a tag division for Raw.

>>18578725 (OP)
>t. davuardo metzallero

>>18579205

(Part 1)
Well, it's a very broad question, this has really been a historic event and will affect mexican lucha in many ways forever. To be very brief, I can tell you that AAA was so in the shit that mexicans in general see the purchase of WWE as a solution and an opportunity for AAA to offer something of quality again. As you say, the improvements in production and technical aspects are noticeable and were necessary. AAA couldn't fix rookie mistakes (and wasn't interested in doing so) over so many years. The public expects to see a more polished and better quality audiovisual product, something that WWE has of course shown it knows how to do. On the other hand, the entire history and legacy of AAA is obviously going to be lost. What the Roldán family (who inherited the company after Antonio Peña's death) did doesn't really matter much, but Antonio Peña's AAA was gold, and that will become just a memory since there's no official library. In the last AAA events under the Roldáns, people who were WWE fans would go to support WWE wrestlers and boo the AAA wrestlers for no reason. This means that AAA was already too weak, lacked stars, and that the audience now attending shows is actually WWE's audience, not AAA's. Therefore, AAA really has no clear direction other than what WWE believes AAA was (they really don't know what they bought).

The public is eager to see what might happen, but everything is very uncertain. Where it will really have a big impact is in the independent lucha/wrestling sector, but this is a broad topic to explain and it is not our concern at this time.

>>18579223
He's got an expiration date that's rapidly approaching don't worry about it. The whole hall of fame things is a big "Here's your flowers now get the hint" type of deal

>>18579205
(Part 2)

What I mean by this is that AAA was so dead and so messed up that people believe that the WWE purchase was definitely their salvation and that all that's left is for things to get better for AAA in that regard. The problem is that WWE isn't going to be able to make money off AAA here and it's not going to be able to make it profitable unless it finds a way to do so. This is due to a matter of costs and the price of the mexican peso in relation to the dollar, in addition to the business model that AAA had and how different it is from the way a giant corporation like WWE usually makes money.

WWE is going to have to make money from AAA in the United States and then reinvest that money in Mexico until it can turn AAA into the business it wants to be here because there's simply no way for AAA to meet its financial expectations or its needs. And this has many implications, as the focus will be on selling AAA's product outside of Mexico and giving Mexico crumbs of AAA's offering.

>>18578725 (OP)
what do you think the phenomenon is that makes Mexican fans cheer so loud for a heel like dom instead of a homegrown talent?

>>18579045
Pimpy was on LU and that doesn't change my opinion of it. It's a joke gimmick that Mexicans find humorous I guess. You don't need to cry that hard about it, it's obvious we broke you by calling you a tranny for 6 years now.

>>18579591
WWE is more popular than AAA in Mexico.

>>18579591
Aura and he's someone that gets wrestling and th fans can see it as opposed to dimeless flippy nobodies like Dragon Lee

>>18579290
The oldest and stupidest ones, yes. In fact, those people are very much against the alliance with AEW because they believe it contaminates mexican traditional lucha with WWE's shitty shit. But obviously, it's a very stupid and ignorant opinion from people who've never understood anything. The majority of the mexican crowd is very happy with what CMLL has done recently with AEW.

TLDR all thinkpieces

Vikingo’s a based lil nigga

>>18578725 (OP)
mistico is just as shitty and generic as el hijo, you CMLL mark. Everyone knows AAA is the silly fun fed who has a passing knowledge of lucha libre, don't pretend you giving us some deep insider knowledge. I like midgets and weird shit if it's done right, the copa match last night was one of the best matches I've seen all year and what I want from wrestling. The rest of the show was pretty based too. Don't act superior over your gay fake fighting show.

>>18579591
As I said before, what happens is that these people are actually WWE fans and not exactly AAA fans. The people who boo Octagon but applaud Dominik are WWE fans, not people who attend AAA events regularly or consume the product. But since AAA now belongs to WWE and WWE stars appear in AAA shows, WWE fans go to AAA shows to see WWE stars that they know and follow. There really is no deeper reason beyond that one. Those people don't really care if they're heels, they just want to see the WWE stars.

>>18579553
>>18579584
So the audience doesn't mind if WWE rebrand AAA to NXT Mexico?

>>18579654
Dom got a massive ovation when he showed up unannounced at an AAA show that no WWE fans had any reason for being at...stop acting like you know what you are talking about just because you are a fat beaner who consumes a lot of wrestling and tacos

>>18579601
well, I am a little more consistent than that, I hate troons regardless of who they work for.

>>18579608
Exactly. And it's actually sad because even though lucha libre is supposedly the second most important sport here after soccer, and even declared cultural heritage, the reality is that ALMOST NO MEXICAN REALLY LIKES OR CARES ABOUT LUCHA LIBRE.

The lucha libre public, contrary to what you might imagine from the outside, is really very small. This is precisely because both CMLL and AAA have spent many years doing stupid things. Some have shut hermetically themselves away in their arena, content to fill it with tourists every Friday, while others have engaged in ridiculous and vulgar nonsense that offends people's intelligence. Recently there has been a new wrestling BOOM in the country and people are starting to look at it again. But to be honest, it's because of the alliances with AEW and the purchase of WWE. I think that in Mexico there are actually more fans of WWE than of wrestling itself...

>>18579700
there is a difference between dressing up like a girl for laughs and pretending to be a female and winning the women's belt. WWE already did this with Santina so you are a hypocrite either way

>>18579723
>I think that in Mexico there are actually more fans of WWE than of *LUCHA LIBRE* itself... (I mean)

>>18579653
If you really think what you saw yesterday was spectacular, it's because you NEED TO WATCH MORE WRETLING AND MORE LUCHA LIBRE and stop having your head buried in WWE's ass.

I do think the AEW-CMLL partnership is a pretty even partnership. The two share some talent, CMLL can lightly encourage some of their talents to sign AEW deals to avoid losing them to AAA, and both make some money. It feels more balanced than the AEW-NJPW one right now. With AAA I do think they could do interesting things with the TKO money backing them but I'm curious if AAA is going to retain much of an identity or just slowly become WWE Mexico.

>>18579658
Of course they care, but they're already resigned and prepared. The AAA has been dead for many years and Antonio Peña's AAA will never return. The only thing the new AAA fan wants is to see WWE stars in Mexico interacting more often with what remains of the "talent" of the defunct AAA. It's sad, but that's all the AAA audiences aspire to (and of course, the improvements in production and audiovisual techniques). What the rest of the wrestling public expects is that WWE will pressure CMLL and AEW to deliver more spectacular things so as not to lose ground. In this sense, everyone is excited about what is to come, since this last year has seen many interesting things and high-quality matches that we could only imagine in our dreams. What fans are experiencing in Mexico because of these movements is totally surreal, but we're all enjoying it to the fullest. There's an international wrestling war in Mexico.

On one hand, the more traditional oldest and longest-standing company hand in hand with the newest and youngest, and on the other, the unbeatable colossal monster that devours nations.

>>18579689
Maybe because the average AAA fan also watches WWE? Seriously, why do you think you're smart?
Lick my scrotum

>>18579591
because dom is cool and likable? vikingo and dragon lee are both boring

>>18579843
Well, as I said, AAA didn't even have 10 wrestlers signed under contract. Did you see Pimpinela and Cibernetico yesterday? They're already so old they can't even move. I'm not exaggerating when I tell you that AAA survived largely thanks to La Hiedra's ass. AAA only had to sell out. It couldn't be any other way with Dorian Roldán and Konan running it.

>>18578730
here you go OP is a pendejo

>>18579510
The problem is that it's a nuanced issue. Dom has a decent presence on Raw and one of the focuses in the JD storyline. Having him flying from the US to Mexico would be especially taxing, unless AAA books him to lose within the month or something. Grande would work to build Kaiser's work and establishing the character more but that would depend on what WWE's shitty creative has in store for him.

>>18579453
Dragon Lee pretty much has to drag him self out of his fucking gimmick at this point, he's such a goober. If I'd be in charge I'd take him off tv for 6 months repackage him, new entrance music, give him a heel run that later gets solved and he can turn face, give him some sort of moniker to fit in front of his name. "Burning", "Wild"...
Why not? Ain't nothing more dimeless than what he got going on right now being some sort of errand boy for LWO that basically communicates with pantomime even though he can speak English at a ok level, unlike Andrade.

>>18578779
somewhat related question, people always say mexicans don't care about titles like wrestling fans in other countries do, but it sounds like that might not be true? what's the deal?

>>18580117
Yes, it's sad how they've wasted Dragon Lee and many others. The good thing is they have talented Hollywood creatives and writers to work on the characters and stories. Imagine if they didn't...

>>18579313
thanks, I hadn't seen that in awhile lol

I knew Mexicans were better than liking this shitter

I did the "work" for AAA and found the solution, hire Albertos brother and push him to the moon as a face.

>>18579616
I agree. AEW has at least tried to respect CMLL and commentary puts over their talent when they arrive. Americans never would have realized how good these guys actually are otherwise of it wasn't for AEW opening that door up. CMLL really has superior luchadors and it's not even close.

>>18579728
I'm sorry but to me they're all just more bodies for the gas chamber. gotta keep those numbers up.

>>18580156
>they have talented Hollywood creatives and writers to work on the characters and stories. Imagine if they didn't...
Y-Yeah, imagine... haha...

>>18580121
That started to happen because of the mental laziness of many bookers, especially in the independent business. They need to sell tickets quickly and easily, so they started overexploiting mask-vs-mask betting matches. Soon they stopped weaving stories and stopped cooking up rivalries or championship fights to replace it with something more 'express' like mask vs mask matches. That attracted a lot of audience very quickly to sell tickets at independent promoters' shows.

Then companies like AAA and CMLL believed that this was the way to go and made this type of matches a tradition and obligation in their special events instead of giving priority to the championships that were relegated and forgotten. These are the stupid things that happen here. Mainly due to the need for immediacy of money and the inability to think long term...

>>18580243
Which Mexican indies are good

>>18579223
So if there's so much shit about Konan, why do Rey and Penta support him?

>>18579653
LOL Edrones really only like slop, occupational gimmicks, midgets, and making fun of foreigners because they have a superiority complex with crippling credit card debt from dolls, plastic belts, Dude Wipes, and Hot Pockets. They can't cook, clean, speak to women, account for expenses, shower, and wipe their own ass. They drop out of school clop their hooves while battling their own sexuality.

>>18580187
Yes, and it's sad because there are many incredible wrestlers there with a lot of hunger for success and many dreams of shining all over the world.but oh well, that's the CMLL way of thinking. Although recently, thanks to Tony Khan's influence, they've opened their minds more and have even offered some funny moments. It seems they've started listening to the fans, and that's very good, while WWE bosses boast that they don't care about people's opinions.

In just a few months, CMLL has shown good signs of wanting to change for the better, so we're all excited about this new era!

>>18579584
>>18579553
>>18579138
>>18578779
>>18578762
Based mexibro holy shit, probably the only honest thread made with genuine love for wrestling this shitty fucking board has seen in years. Don't ever let anyone tell you different amigo. I hope things change for AAA for the better just like I hope WWE can finally become fucking good again even though it seems like they're stumbling into a descension.

>>18579755
And here's where the LARP ends lmao

>>18579313
>backs away immediately like a bitch after getting slapped like a bitch in public
LMFAO

>>18580323
>Replying to yourself because nobody cares about spic LARP rant


Lmao

>>18580279
Backstage politics. You can be a total piece of shit and still have friends that support you, specially if you helped them early on with their careers.

>>18580059
I don't see WWE dealing with talent traveling outside the country that many times to put over AAA.

>>18580365
Except WWE has let wrestlers SIGNED to their roster go on tours or whatever for other promotions. Omos just recently came back from a run in NOAH, Kairi also went to do something which is why she was off for a while. Shinsuke also does matches for japanese promotions time to time and sometimes spends more time there.

>>18580364
Like all the WWE talent talking to media about Vince

>>18578725 (OP)
>vikingo can't wrestle
this nigga had great grappling moments with chad fucking gable
he's a sloppy fuck but he's good

now if you wanna see a truly flippy faggot who can't wrestle for shit look at kenny omega

>>18580407
We're talking about promoting a WWE talent winning a championship here. It won't happen because WWE won't let their talent lose.

>>18580364
I dunno. Just seems tonedeaf and willingly ignorant to me. Either they both understand their influence and had a private discussion to roll with it for now or they're just complete faggots.

people really arguing about the minor leagues kek

>>18580443
>It won't happen because WWE won't let their talent lose.
He says, the day after Los Garzas LOST the AAA tag titles

>>18580156
Both WWE and AEW wasted a lot of luchador talents due to lack of direction and not special division of them like Cruiserweight/X-Division

>>18580443
Dom, Grande and Dragon all lost to Vikingo. What are you talking about?
Not to mention the Garzas lost too, quite viciously as well. And Natalya. The only ones who won were those in gimmick, non title matches, Judgement Day and Omos.

>>18580464
>minor leagues
>pulles 4 million+ views on their biggest event of the year
You might be confusing this with an AEW or WWE thread or something...

>>18580440
Vikingo botches a flip nearly every match lmfao
Just because WWE bought AAA doesn't make him not shit

>First of all, I'm mexican

Then get off /pw/ and go do my yardwork, spic

>>18580360
>seething over his dimeless thread that got paged 10'd with no posts
Kek

>>18580272
It's a little difficult to say because if the Cathedral of Lucha Libre, the oldest company with the best wrestlers, the MOST important lucha libre company in the country doesn't have an official platform or make it accessible and easy for foreigners to consume its product, imagine then the small independent promoters...

YouTube, my friend... Unfortunately, that's what I could tell you... Maybe 'The Crash', they put on very good shows with international talent. Some legendary encounters have taken place there. I swear I'm not getting paid or anything, but I insist on recommending what CMLL presents since it's the best there is in the country. Everything else is a toss-up, as you can either find gems or too much crap that will waste your time. 'Big Lucha' was once a kind of dojo run by Bandido and featured some very interesting things. There are some wrestlers who are succeeding in Japan and the United States who came from there. Maybe IWRG but there is still a lot of young talent developing and still learning but they usually have very good encounters too (watch at your own risk).

>>18580472
With a few exceptions it doesn't feel like American bookers will ever know how to deal with Mexican talent, so they end up just putting them in their own stable where they bounce around doing nothing of note or fighting other Mexicans.

>>18580471
Who? In Mexico?

>>18580549
Hechicero is in The Don Callis Family.

>>18579654
As a TNA oldhead I feel your pain.

>>18580471
and Dom, the IC champ, took the pin in the main event

>>18580279
>>18580364
That's right, Konnan helped Mysterio and Penta get projected. They owe him that kind of loyalty and it is understandable. But there are many more whom Konan screwed over and put her foot in. It's a long story, but it's a cancer. IT'S A FUCKING CANCER.

>>18580323
Thanks, man, I really love this beautiful world, THIS SO BEAUTIFUL FUCKING WORLD! Wrestling/lucha libre is very interesting, it can be appreciated and studied from different angles. There is a unique mysticism in this spectacle-sport. I also hope all the companies do well and improve themselves. There's only one life to see good wrestling. We deserve to see good wrestling while the journey lasts, because when time's up, it's over forever...

>>18578725 (OP)
fine speech

>>18580472
>>18580549
Absolutely, one of the most imbecilic things Tony Khan could have done was let Pentagon and Fenix go.

>>18578743
Something Something Jose Something Something The AssHOLE

Considering how much of lucha seems to be around stealing gimmicks (Power Rangers, etc), I'm inclined to believe it's a bunch of carnies who don't know wtf they're doing.

Another very important reason why people don't like Vikingo is because he abandons his children and doesn't take responsibility.

>>18578725 (OP)
Holy tism here is a non tism 4chan structured post, why do mexicans they hate Vikingo?
>Dominik and EGA being more charismatic
>Not being on par with WWE's standards of big buff dude with mic skills
>Some WWE Intern spoiled Del Rio's championship being lost to Vikingo while Del Rio was carrying the company and people liked him as a heel
>HHH's firing Del Rio due to his grudge, while putting Vikingo in the main scene due to his past with Omega, AEW, and per AAA's creative recommendation
>A combination of all of these and the spoiler it basically made VIkingo the corporate's pick and Del Rio a martyr
-Also he isn't a bad wrestler he is just a midget with no charisma or mic skills for WWE standards
-If not for WWE buying AAA everyone would be fine with Vikingo being the champ
-Also unrelated but some big part of the lucha community also hates Dom and even calll him Plopminik due to him being deadweight in the ring so it's not like all the people aren't supporting Vikingo

AAA = bad
CMLL = good
Mil Mascaras = GOD

>>18578745
>neither Meltzer nor Kenny Omega really know a damn thing about mexican 'lucha libre'. All they knew was AAA shit

WTF? Meltzer has reported on lucha since around when Omega was born. Dave used to watch all lucha TV and helped facilitate lucha tape trading and would go over the border to see Tijuana shows until his MMA obsession. He was "friends" with Konnan and helped him and others get work in the US.

>>18580797
Carnies in wrestling have always been the ones who know what they're doing.

>>18578725 (OP)
I don't feel so bad about it being turned into a talent farm for WWE now.

>>18580797
WWWF had a Batman gimmick in the 60's

>>18582124
You just gave me a dimes idea. Vigilante gimmick character that punishes heels for their wrongdoings. Call him "Watcher" or something. But he seems like he could be boring pretty quickly, so he'd have to be used creatively.

>>18582380
Didn't they sort of use Sandman like that in WWECW?

>>18580644
WWE fans have compared the go away heat el hijo del vikingo gets to baby face roman reigns, would you say this is accurate?

>>18582403
If I recall, Sandman was just Sandman. Just less drunk and Metallica.

>>18579025
All I'm getting is that he's beanerer Seth Rollins. I dislike the Viking gimmick and his Stoopid face and teeth. He reminds me of a faggy version of sagat

>>18580529
Done projecting?

>>18578725 (OP)
everyone is

>>18578725 (OP)
You tell em

>>18578725 (OP)
For me it's the alchemist hechicero, that dude is based

I tried watching triplemania a few years ago, it wasn't good

>Mexican smark goes into autistic seethe
Cope, more people just watched a lucha event than ever before in history
Don’t act like you know more about the business then the people putting asses in seats

>>18580300
>credit card debt from dolls, plastic belts, Dude Wipes, and Hot Pockets
All financed on a WWE Credit One credit card with a $600 limit

>>18580300
Your AEW heroes would literally spit in your face for talking like this, and call you racist, sexist, transphobe, every insult in the book. But you know you can hide out on Anonymous boards, and use right-wing insults, and be insulated, so like the shit-eating faggot you are, you come on here and anonymously say what you don't have the balls to say on X or Instagram or TikTok

AEW fans are ashamed of being AEW fans, and they should be. They should stay at home. They should continue to not go to AEW shows, continue to pirate AEW PPVs instead of paying for them. Make Paypig Tony pay for everything, make him keep cooking the books and buying up thousands of his own tickets and PPVs. WWE will continue to grow, and it's because of pieces of fucking shit like you who continue to lie instead of tell the truth.

>>18583425
Lol damn this faggot is seething hard

>>18578725 (OP)
He looks cool

>>18578725 (OP)
>I'm mexican and I'm an unrecognized wrestling expert (I'm not interested in fame).

>>18578725 (OP)
>>18578725 (OP)
First of all, Dorian Roldan is dead.
She hasn’t sung for The Cranberries in years.
RIP.

>>18583180
He's absolutely based and awesome!

>>18584306
he's alive moron

>>18584306
>>18585728
wtf

>>18586498
He's still alive, on saturday he appeared on Triplemania with El Mesias

>>18582532
NTA but kinda, but there's a huge difference, Vikingo knows how wrestle when Roman hasn't improved for an entire decade.
It kinda shows the difference of what lucha/wrestling audiences want in a star.

>>18581000
is this true vikingo bros? or is he just talking out of his ass

>>18585728
>>18586758
That guys joke flew right over your heads and you didn't even notice

>>18587671
It's true, in Mexico he's known for impregnating women and running away. He's an irresponsible person who has left his children adrift.

>>18579553
>they really don't know what they bought
I'm asking this sincerely. Don't you think that there's people in WWE too who know these same things as you do?

Pic unrelated

>>18579313
Whats the background here?

>>18587755
I honestly doubt it, they have no idea what AAA is (on their roster there are about 4 wrestlers with legal problems accused of sexual abuse, not only Alberto). It was obviously an impulse buy in response to Tony Khan's moves in Mexico and the success of the Grand Slam Mexico week. AEW quickly took over the Mexican market when WWE had the opportunity for many years and never did anything, showing their total lack of interest. AAA isn't going to make any money for WWE unless they turn AAA into something else and market it outside of Mexico. AAA has been characterized in recent years by relying on elderly wrestlers who can no longer move and a lot of 'cheap' independent wrestlers since they did not have their own roster (at least there weren't more than 10 wrestlers under contract).

A company with a very poor reputation that was only revived thanks to the WWE brand taking over now. WWE didn't need to buy it to enter Mexico because the WWE brand carries more weight than AAA's own brand in Mexico. But it's too early to know what will happen, in any case it's a very interesting time.

>>18587810
The first time Konan betrayed AAA to go to WCW, he took several wrestlers with him, including the original Psicosis (also known as Nicho, 'the millionaire'). So AAA gave the character of Psicosis to the current Psicosis (the one who hit Konan in the video), who has been with the character for more than 25 years (more years than Nicho lasted in the role).

The problem is that since Nicho is Konan's friend, Konan has been dedicated to stopping and hindering Psicosis career for many years. As an executive of AAA, he closed doors to him all over the country and tried to starve him to death just because he took the place that his friend left abandoned. Even the current Psicosis won the name and character from Nicho in a 'legal' way after Nicho came crawling back to AAA for food. It's a stupid grudge for no reason that Konan has had against Psicosis for many years until he got fed up and faced it head on; hence, what happened in the video

>>18578725 (OP)
To be fair, I enjoyed the circus. Still had more soul than the main WWE program. Cheer up mexicano, it can be worse.

>>18588179
That's the worrying thing, that people did like that shit because WWE is so shitty that even shittier but 'refreshing' shit ended up being entertaining and receiving good reviews.

I'm glad you had fun, it's not your fault you're having fun with AAA after how badly WWE has treated you, but I'm worried that people think that's really what mexican lucha libre is and that we only know how to do clown and puppet shows.

who's that new FRAUDE Taurus they got to fill the role on this show?

>>18588227
I think it's an opportunity for growth anyway. I didn't know much about lucha, now I know a bit more thanks to this place. Might check out this real lucha the mexican OP is lamenting about. Even if things go in a slump, they have a way of balancing out. That's what I think anyway.

>>18583425
worked beyond belief

>>18588233
As you know, the original Taurus is the current Beast Morthos in AEW. An incredible wrestler, perhaps the best AAA had at the time. The new Taurus is a wrestler taken from a fraudulent and rigged TryOut where Abismo Negro's brother (the third to enter the Bardahl Cup and who is also another 'junior' recycled character from the original Abismo Negro) 'won'.

The new Taurus received a lot of ridicule from people for being smaller than Morthos and because the equipment was too big for him. He previously wrestled under the name Dick (yes, that's right) Dick Angelo III (the Third).

>>18580583
it must be the TNA oldhead nightmare to see WWE come in, sink it's fangs in and puppeteer the promotion as a human shield for it's proxy war with AEW. And thousands of drone retards who never watched your show telling you it's a good thing and to shut up, when you guys were there first. The same TNA fans those Drones belittled for 20 years previously

>>18588233
>>18588342
He's the new Taurus before he's the new Taurus (Dick Angelo III)

>>18583180
Why was he never allowed do this entrance again ?

Thank you based Mexibro(s) for dropping real lucha street knowledge on us gringos

>>18587755
I think you're forgetting how insular the modern WWE is, most the staff barely know the American wrestling scene let alone other countries, Vince spent years hiring people who were specifically not wrestling people and filled the company with them

>>18588342
>The new Taurus received a lot of ridicule from people for being smaller than Morthos and because the equipment was too big for him.
This was the 1st thing I noticed too. He looked ridiculous. Total wack ass bootleg

>>18588342
Yeah he does look pretty ridiculous there

>>18588385
It's my duty, amigo! Recently mexican lucha has gained importance and I noticed that due to a lack of information, there0s a lot of misinformation among people around the world.

>>18588429
>>18588440
Yep, the original Taurus isn't exactly a giant, but at least he filled the costume well.

>>18580323
you dont understand shit if you hope things will get better for AAA. its a clown company, it was a clown company 15 years ago.

>>18588342
I was disappointed he couldn't use the black Taurus name and mask when he signed to aew, he's still based but the black Taurus mask looks alot better than the mortos one

for me is when he was stinking up the joint (more than usual) in gAyEW

>>18588481
I like both (what I'm not entirely convinced about is their new name). His new mask is great, but definitely as Taurus he reached perfection in many ways and it suited him too well.

>>18588501
He's not needed in AEW, And that's something he does regularly. All the wrestlers have to be waiting for him and helping him do his silly little jumps.

>>18588478
Anon, southie here and im gonna be honest, I don't give a shit, as long as I get to get some of the guys that worked in LU and fun spots with some flips im satisfied with the performance of AAA to balance out the stuff that WWE still over 20+ years in the biz still has which is manage to be good even when being shit.
AAA, TNA, WCW they became incredibly talented at being good even in their mediocrity.

I rock with Hugo doing lines during a fucking PPV.

>>18588478
>me when I'm retarded

>>18588939
I'm glad. Just remember that there's a whole other world outside of WWE and AAA. And if you want to see incredible things, you have to look outside because what you saw at Triplemania and Worlds Collide is NOTHING.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSCMHKvVsK4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifbSPBcmJNw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dimdBZGiEuw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v57kHBQDgh8

>>18589813
>komander
>tony's CAW
>sin cara
No thanks bro

Reminder the vast majority of English 'opinions' on Mexican wrestling are based on things said by Lucha Twitter accounts who are fanboys of CMLL since Konnan made fun of them for being marks ans being incorrect on their 'scoops'. They try to claim AAA was broke or had no fans when they often beat CMLL in attendance while having way higher ticket prices, have tons of actual stars, have a partnership with Disney/Marvel, and were routinely bringing in big name foreign wrestlers for programs. They try to pretend that WWE would buy an unsuccessful company and continue to let the same people book and run it.

>>18590056
What a disgusting way of being, pure lies that anyone can verify with their own eyes. Konan is an idiot who said he was competing with Netflix, and in the end they had to sell their bankrupt company with less than 10 fighters, all of them being old men who can't move and clowns for children's parties. Who would sell a company that's doing well and competes with Netflix?

How can a company with fewer than 10 wrestlers, most of them elderly and sick, that doesn't have its own arena (not even one at least), and that puts on one show a month, compete with the Cathedral of Wrestling, which has five of its own arenas and shows six days a week? Stop lying, you're PA-THE-TIC.

We're talking about a guy who had to change his name due to legal issues (check out his recent plaque at his induction into the Hall of Fame at Triplemania), including nearly beating his ex-wife to death.

Watch with your own eyes the trash that AAA offers, and what CMLL offers. The facts don't lie, but the E-morons with a volcano in their anus do.

Also, Neither Vikingo nor Iguana nor any AAA shit will ever be as beloved as Mistico
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZO6Q0RfzS4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fObJHbnikj8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omFZ3gYRl64
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BykE5AN1FT4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhYKLepDY8k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVK7b24_2hI

>>18590056
you just have to watch cmll a couple of times in your life and you will realise that there is nothing else left like it on planet earth and there probably never will be. theres simply nothing else like it. you cannot compare it to other wrestling companies. you will understand why the OP calls it the Cathedral of Wrestling, you wont have any questions or wierd ideas if you actually sit down and watch it for a couple of hours and really get a taste of the vibe

>>18589813
I've watched both promotions and I enjoy both equally, the only issue is that the streams I used to watch wrestling on never streamed Lucha and if they did it was with the english commentary which made want to kill myself.

>>18590991
I agree

>>18581895
Isn't Mil Mascaras the guy everyone hates because he refuses to sell

>>18592968
Yes, another overrated product of marketing and advertising on his time. The real GO(D)AT was always Canek.

I hope AAA uses WWE money to hire younger dwarf and drag queen wrestlers

>>18578725 (OP)
Pero dilo sin chillar wey

>>18590722
>>18590991
I watch and enjoy both. I did not say anything bad about CMLL, I said AAA has higher ticket prices, and often beats them in gates (and those gates aren't reported by Lucha twitter accounts for reasons). That may upset you, but I have no interest in console warring, just letting everyone know what is going on here and that fanboys have been trying to put down AAA for years and have a grudge against Konnan. Replying by saying CMLL is the best ever and AAA and Konnan are bad kinda proves my point

>>18579483
cooked that hotdog

>>18593637
AAA is bad
Konnan is bad

>>18588148
Thanks for the info, cheers

You know, im most likely in the minority here but i fucking love Zona 23. Never seen anything like it after discovering it by accident. Lucha Extrema is just great to watch since its a complete clusterfuck.
Sidenote: LA Park should call it quits sometimes. Its impressive that he does the shit he does at his age but man, its time to relax at some point. Still, one of the most memorable guys from mexico. Will never forget his old entrance, playing guitar with the chair

>>18590722
>Bandido
Always good stuff, still reminds me of Hayabusa (RIP) sometimes

>>18588342
Imagine having to rely on a Minotaur gimmick.

>>18588342
Considering that WWE own AAA now maybe WWE should bring back Mantaur name and give it to the new Taurus

>>18588027
What makes it an obvious impulse buy? Couldn't it be possible that WWE has planned to expand into Mexico and AEW teaming successfully with CMLL just hastened the process? It's kinda minor argument here but I want to challenge the narrative of WWE being so impulsive and dumb. Expanding the market internationally has been a clear goal for UFC even before TKO so it's now a no brainer.

To the casual viewer (such as me) the background drama of AAA is unknown. I barely knew lucha libre but AAA was the company I knew of, not CMLL. In the age of clickbait after clickbait you'd need very serious offences for them to get noticed. So they could've known all the AAA drama before.

Finally. You are right that WWE is better known than AAA. But first buying the company to get a foundation and then transforming it into a better known brand (NXT) gathers more attention.

>>18588413
I don't know the backgrounds or the people who got hired, but this sounds believable and would enforce OP's argument of WWE not knowing what they bought

what is cmll reputation in mexico? how do the fans like the partnership with AEW?

>>18592968
JBL and Foley hate him.
He never had a problem in Japan working with the best and hardest.

>>18593134
Canek was good, but Mil Mascaras is the best ever

>>18578725 (OP)
Tbqh, I always thought Taco Viking was a complete shitter, but its funny watching AEW retarda all of the sudden shit on him because he was on Raw.

>>18578725 (OP)
Tbqh, I always thought Taco Viking was a complete shitter, but its funny watching AEW retards all of the sudden shit on him because he was on Raw.

>>18595911
yup. Thing good because label A, thing bad because label B

Well, this has been aye-opening

>>18596184
Finally you have understood the meaning of life, son

>>18593637
Wrong again! You're lying again!
If AAA was so 'financially successful', why did it sell out? Why didn't it have any signed wrestlers? Why do they owe money to Andrade and several others? Why did they end up giving away half of their tickets to their major events for years and still couldn't fill the empty seats? It wasn't until the recent Triplemanía that they managed to sell out all the tickets, and at a high price. Before the AAA sale to WWE was announced, Triplemanía's ticket sales were a disaster, and they were once again giving away 2X1 tickets.

I don't know what kind of 'economic success' it is to have no wrestlers under contract, owe several people money, and put on one show a month (if you're lucky). I don't know what kind of economic success it is to have a delayed broadcast (for weeks) after midnight on TV. There was even talk that AAA was being used to launder money by drug traffickers since there was no way for it to continue standing (and especially delivering such a terrible product) in any reasonable way. Dorian Roldán himself confirmed that the AAA no longer had money, that's why AAA was sold.

Let's do the math:
AAA
>1 show per month
>12-16 shows per year
>Not a single arena of our own
>No more than 10 wrestlers under contract
>In the end it was sold because it was in the red and in debt.

CMLL
>6 shows per week (full house every friday and saturday)
>324 shows per year
>5 own arenas with their respective schools and gyms
>More than 70 wrestlers under contract
>More than 90 years of existence and going through a great moment with great projections for the future
>Konan is completely banned from there

I don't know, it's hard to see...

>>18594994
WWE has been talking about 'invading' Mexico since the time Sin Cara debuted, but they never lifted a finger to do anything here. AEW makes a strong impact in Mexico, and WWE immediately decides to buy the first bankrupt company they found placing Worlds Collide before Grand Slam Mexico, even though it was announced a week after Grand Slam Mexico was announced. Over the following weeks we have seen WWE forcibly trying to boycott major AEW events and the attention they receive. I think it's very obvious what's happening here.

>>18595499
I really miss jade and prime hayter

>>18596668
Sounds like monopolistic behavior

>>18579591
Dom is the son of one of the biggest lucha libre legends of all time, and the grand nephew of another lucha libre legend. Of course people in Mexico are gonna cheer for him.

Love Lucha Libre more than anything, but this is too much effort for this board

>>18587671
100% true. Bro is a real POS deadbeat dad lmao.

>>18596668
What is the strong impact you're referring to? But yes the overlapping events with AEW is clear indeed. But I'm neutral on this console war, I quit Netflix after seeing the Saudi fiasco, but I've had HBO Max for ages. I'd watch AEW if they only showed it in Europe. Competition is good for both of them, but monopoly makes everything easier, unfortunately.

Well this has been a good thread. The only negative is it makes me want to watch CMLL even more but it's no less of a pain to do so.

>>18597420
if you love it enough it takes no effort at all to write several novels about it. pw is the only board where ive managed to hit the character limit on a post

I haven't seen any AAA until Triplemania 33 and while I skipped the mixed tag and the womeme match, the Rumble opener seemed like the most entertaining match.
Travesty, a based midget, David - Goliath and Goliath went over, it's great.
But what followed required more emotional involvement for me to get into, going in cold the Hijo del something versus Jesus match was okay and would've meant way the fuck more if I saw way the fuck more before, good for the fans.
Then the Mega Championship match, fatal four-way, they all moved well and got out of each other's way, Lil Vikingo's heat was lost on me but this thread explains it, thanks anon.
Loved Americano's cheeky superhero comedy shit, and Dom's really snatching that athletic timing. I thought he or Americano should've won the title based on crowd response and how they moved around, maybe that they'd put it on Dragon Lee who I don't resonate with yet, but keeping it on Lil Vikingo... Nah not for me.

Let's say that if they put the next major event on YouTube for free too, I'd watch it to see what happens and reserve judgement.
But yeah proper clown show. It took the stereotypes of Mexican wrestling (fag in drag, midget missile, el grande culo cuties, flips) and amplified them hard.
I almost started expecting a mariachi band to play. And then one did for Americano lol.

>>18597571
Seeing how they keep putting the PPVs on youtube, it seems pretty likely. I wouldn't be surprised if they're using them as a testing ground to see if Youtube PPVs are viable for WWE.

>>18597500
Nice boobs

>>18597571
We'll see how much support it really receives when events stop being free and require payment.

>>18597288
It's WWE bro, you tell me

>>18597500
Boobola

>>18597500
>>18601458
There are indeed some beautiful women beneath those masks.

>>18596724
jade isnt doin so well in wwe, she maybe coming baclk. they dont know how to use her in ring and think she is a terrible wrestler.

>>18578745
>If El Hijo del Vikingo got the spotlight it was thanks to comments made by Meltzer and Kenny Omega about what a "great, wonderful and spectacular wrestler" he was.
why does WWE keep pushing guys AEW smarks love?

>>18601579
post em

>>18602015
lilbro syndrome

>>18596668
>AEW makes a strong impact in Mexico
Lol. No.

I think its funny that hhh made him the champ only because he was on dynamite before.

bump

>>18597425
Let's say he's not even a father.

Leaving your child helpless is the shittiest thing you can do and shows that you are a piece of shit human being.

>>18597484
(Part 1)
Well, all the reports spoke of how special the atmosphere was at the Arena Mexico the first time the Blackpool Combat Club came to the 'Homenaje a Dos Leyendas' (Tribute/Homage to Two Legends) event. It was even listed as the event of the year here in Mexico. The atmosphere at the Arena México is always intense, but that day it was even more so. This even attracted new audiences to the Arena México and CMLL. From there the CMLL-AEW alliance was consolidated and AEW began to send more of its talents regularly. The comments on social media were always positive throughout the year regarding CMLL shows and AEW visitors. This meant that as soon as the Grand Slam Mexico event was announced, tickets sold out in just a few hours. This was important because, as you know, the economy is different and the value of the mexican peso against the US dollar is quite high, so you could say those tickets were truly a luxury for this third-world country. Of course, the hoarders who make a living from reselling tickets also played a role; but, in any case, the public's response was extremely impressive.

Then the day came. If the atmosphere at the 'Homenaje a Dos Leyendas' was impressive, the atmosphere during all the week of Grand Slam Mexico It was even more powerful and stronger. That week was ROH vs CMLL on tuesday, Grand Slam Mexico on wednesday, and Fantasticamania on friday (with talent from CMLL, AEW, NJPW, RevPro, and MLW). The atmosphere during the Grand Slam Mexico was sublime, almost religious (especially during Mistico's entrance). Everyone describes the same thing, even people around the world who only watched the event via video/streaming. Everyone's comments were only of happiness and that something really big was happening here.

>>18597484
>>18604531
(Part 2)
The CMLL, which is characterized by its tough and firm work policies, even began to open up to new things. The company's motto is "serious and stable", which means that they have their formula and that they will never change anything for any reason. But from there they have even allowed themselves to participate in certain community memes such as inviting a singer who looks like Lio Rush to step into the ring with him just because the fans started shouting 'Kalimba' at Lio Rush, which is the name of that famous singer from here. That is something that CMLL would never do, but that magical spirit of communion that was achieved with AEW and the fans made such a miracle possible.

Everyone here is eagerly awaiting what's next. Independent wrestling events have increased and have reported sellouts. There's talk of a new BOOM of lucha libre in the country, and it obviously has to do with the attention WWE is receiving after purchasing AAA, but this happened because of the huge impact it had thanks to AEW's massive success in Mexico.

*This pic says it all, isn't that happy face cute?

>>18603155
LOL, YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDSaD84m5EE

>>18597500
You should...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhYKLepDY8k

>>18597571
Yes, the AAA style could be very flashy, which is why it was so successful at the time. If you like what's happening now, I can tell you I'm happy, but it's CRAP. AAA used to be really awesome. AAA used to have it all. It had serious championship matches, bloody matches, laughs, soap operas, iconic moments. Today it only has children's party clowns and La Hiedra big buttocks (I'm not complaining about the latter). Just watch this intro and tell me it's not absolutely epic;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aV07YyUl-BQ

But hey, the most important thing is that you have a good time. Enjoy with whatever product you prefer!

>>18603174
It's obvious, because he doesn't know anything about mexican wrestling and because it's his way of annoying AEW.

>>18602428
I agree

>>18606028
>Do we have that viking midget they had on dynamite when they beat me? Just put the strap on him I want to stick it tony.

>>18604531
>>18604542
Thank you for your detailed answers. You've been complimented several times for the contributions and I'll repeat them. These posts in this thread have been sincerely the best I've read in /pw/ in ages. This is the content why I keep returning to this retarded website

>>18607148
Well, I'm glad this information was of some use. We are living in incredible times for wrestling around the world!

Just gonna bump it for good measure cause it might be the only actually good thread I ever saw on this board

>CMLL shill console war thread
I tought I'd seen it all
Ain't nothing wrong with watching both feds. Also AAA wasn't broke the CEOs didn't want to be in the business anymore, in today's world only a retard company would buy another retard but broke company with no hard assets.
I'm guessing WWE just bought AAA so Tiny didn't absorb the talent like he intended originally 2 years ago, and because Penta broke social media again.

>>18609187
Oh and BTW iirc CMLL was trying to make a deal with WWE but the deal involved selling the arenas too and WWE didn't want to buy the arenas, after that the original Mistico returned and the COVID era ended so business was thriving again and they got that AEW deal so the CMLL CEOs changed it's mind about selling out.

>>18609187
Dorian Roldan and Konan themselves said that the AAA no longer had money. WITH THEIR OWN MOUTHS!

Stop talking nonsense...

>>18609276
Well you better put up those audios cause, iirc they only said they needed money to grow, which is very different and more common in business, as I said in today's world no respectable company buy a broke company.

>>18609254
Found the source for this, remember ain't nothing wrong with watching both feds, just remember that AAA and CMLL are the 2 faces of the same coin they are just looking to growing money more and more and they were willing to sell out at different points.
https://archive.is/gWYsG

>>18609358
>Lucha Libre Online
>What Konan says
Allow me to laugh...
I'm glad you say you want to be objective. But you're not. You're too stubborn and are trying to defend an indefensible lost cause. I've explained this several times above.

Let's do the math again:
AAA
>1 show per month
>12-16 shows per year
>Not a single arena of our own
>No more than 10 wrestlers under contract
>In the end it was sold because it was in the red and in debt.

CMLL
>6 shows per week (full house every friday and saturday)
>324 shows per year
>5 own arenas with their respective schools and gyms
>More than 70 wrestlers under contract
>More than 90 years of existence and going through a great moment with great projections for the future
>Konan is completely banned from there

Of course, and Konan said they were competing with NEETtflix...

>>18610126
>Can't refute
>Endorses console wars
>Copes by blogposting spam after being noted that CMLL actually tried to sell their soul to the foreign fed
I guess we got ESL Rovert now, real lucha fans would never console war because we now both feds have good stuff

>>18610244
I see that the one who can't refute anything I say is you. I've argued lines and lines of text, and you just skip over it all and ignore it (especially THE MATHS). There's no point in arguing with someone who isn't really here to argue.

>>18610279
Alright tell me how your console war post relates to what I posted.

>>18610293
I don't know what you're talking about. Have you already doneTHE MATH, or are you just going to keep ignoring it and thinking about Neverland?

The maths once again:

AAA
>1 show per month
>12-16 shows per year
>Not a single arena of our own
>No more than 10 wrestlers under contract
>In the end it was sold because it was in the red and in debt.

CMLL
>6 shows per week (full house every friday and saturday)
>324 shows per year
>5 own arenas with their respective schools and gyms
>More than 70 wrestlers under contract
>More than 90 years of existence and going through a great moment with great projections for the future
>Konan is completely banned from there

Of course, the company that 'was very successful' but had no wrestlers, no TV spots, and no live events and whose owner came out crying because he had no sponsors...

>>18610322
>Still no comeback
Disappointing, Rovert would exactly do the same, I for one welcome you lucha Rovert.

>>18610322
I'll bite

AAA
>1 show per month
They do non TV shows trough the week, unless you refer to the weekly TV show
>12-16 shows per year
Wut but they have a weekly TV show and they do non TV shows through the week
>Not a single arena of our own
of their own* fixed it for your, but yeah that's true but if you are on the road why would you need an arena? WWE doesn't need any arenas except the performance center, even AEW doesn't need them for the same reason, because they are on the road.
>No more than 10 wrestlers under contract
You mean long term contracts, but yeah they just have a few long term contracts, iirc they have 50 on normal short term contract, and around 100 on-call basis mostly indie people
>In the end it was sold because it was in the red and in debt.
As I said companies don't buy broke companies when they have shareholders biting their asses behind, plus AAA doesn't have hard assets, at best they own some of the luchadores's names and a few long term contracts like you said and that's it, and that alone isn't worth 50 million dollars.

Companies sell some of their share to bigger companies to grow, it doesn't need to be 100% but once 51% of the company is sold it's considered officially a sellout since the original CEO doesn't have creative control anymore and the old CEO is now considered an employee which is what happened, but we don't know how much of it was sold and how much was a cash out (money directly being paid to the old CEO not for the business).

I'm not gonna argue about the CMLL stuff because it's mostly true, but having bigger numbers doesn't mean it's better, CMLL is known and has been widely criticized due to their contacts being lowballers, many weekday shows being fillers, arenas being kinda irrelevant due to the industry nature (on the road), and 90 years of great business yeah but can't deny they also tried to sellout to WWE.

tldr; You are just trying to start a console war by having a CMLL bias real lucha fans love both.

>>18610574
>>1 show per month
>PER MONTH
I'm not talking about a TV show, but about their live shows. From those monthly shows they cut out pieces and that's what they broadcast delayed throughout the month on a channel that nobody watches.
CMLL has 6 live shows a week but only broadcasts 3 (tuesday, wednesday and friday). There are 24 live shows each month by CMLL vs. one live show per month (on average) by AAA.
>if you are on the road why would you need an arena?
Because that allows you to maximize or minimize profits and have stability? Are you seriously comparing AAA in Mexico with WWE in the United States? Well, even WWE has several live shows a week and many live shows a month. AAA only offers one live show a month (which doesn't fill the venue and ends up giving away a good part of its tickets). CMLL wrestlers are also hired to wrestle in independent functions, which allows CMLL to participate in both modalities.
>but yeah they just have a few long term contracts, iirc they have 50 on normal short term contract, and around 100 on-call basis mostly indie people
50? 100? Nah, that's too many. Where are those 50-100 wrestlers under the AAA brand? Besides, those 'small' contracts they give out
are just 'image management' contracts. 'Contracts' where the wrestler can basically sell himself outside the AAA brand but must pay a percentage to that company that is supposed to give him 'image projection'. AAA doesn't really have any contractual obligations to them. That's why wrestlers keep leaving all the time when they want. Because they don't really get anything from AAA and they even have to pay the company for their work (work that they get themselves outside of AAA).

>As I said companies don't buy broke companies
Where do you get that from? Of course, companies buy bankrupt companies all the time; that's another fairly common form of business.

>>18610574
>>18610797

(Part 2)
>50 million
That was pulled out of his anus by a former commentator who has had nothing to do with AAA for many years. Is that your source? The truth is, no one knows how much AAA cost, but 50 million is too much for what it really is. A company without wrestlers, without venues, without contracts, without office staff, without content library, without anything.

The truth is, you don't have the right information and you don't analyze things. I really don't know what your intention is in trying to wipe AAA's ass, but it's best to forget about it because there's simply no way.

I grew up with AAA. You could say it was thanks to AAA that I became a wrestling fan. That's why I'm so angry about how it ended thanks to those three idiots who deserve absolutely nothing.

>>18610808
>Moves the goalpoast to w-we don't know!
>Still not addressing the original post or the others that came after
It's alright Roverto we all lucha fans love both AAA and CMLL

>>18610898
>Still not addressing the original post or the others that came after
Which one? What the hell are you talking about? I think I've kicked your ass enough.

>>18610797
>PER MONTH
Read again
>if you are on the road why would you need an arena?
Having an arena doesn't necessarily mean you are maximizing profits, WWE and AEW doesn't need arenas to maximize, also read again the above point they do more shows
>but yeah they just have a few long term contracts, iirc they have 50 on normal short term contract, and around 100 on-call basis mostly indie people
Yeah those indie contractors can leave anytime they want because they are indie on call contractors, the small and long term contracts don't
>As I said companies don't buy broke companies
Big companies with shareholders don't do that unless they have hard assets, AAA does not, they don't even have big IPs to justify millions of dollars, unless well they are very profitable

>>18610244
>>18610353
>Rovert is mad that AAA is outdrawing CMLL that now shills for CMLL
Kek i'll make it canon
I PRESENT TO YOU
EL GRANDE ROVERTO

>>18611066
You read WELL again and stop responding those stupid things.

Latest information!
It seems that there really is no direction for AAA yet since its wrestlers continue to accept dates as independents in Mexico and the United States. It seems that exclusivity contracts do not yet exist. That's not usually WWE's way of doing things, but since AAA doesn't have live shows, wrestlers have to earn their bread anyway.

>>18578725 (OP)
I don't give a fuck nigga I ain't reading all that shit