Thread 81457084

TwoX is noticing the epidemic of men checking out of society. Do you think they're worried their free meal tickets aren't maturing?

https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/comments/1l7pdhk/does_anyone_else_know_men_in_their_early_20s_who/

>>81457084 (OP)
>jobs for new grads is scarce
>shit like mcdonalds is like $12 a meal
>home ownership is an unreachable fantasy for 90% of zoomers
gee i wonder why

>>81457084 (OP)
>My mom isn't verbally lashing him and that upsets me
Women are so evil it's fascinating.

>>81457084 (OP)
its time for the ultimate neet revolution
no more will men contribute to this system that despises them

>>81457084 (OP)
Serves them right, if they are lucky they might catch a knife falling down. Last change to get a silver knife moid, femanons.

>reddit thread
NIGGER

>>81457112
Home ownership is a meme. It made since in the 1960s and that's it. Housing appreciation has lagged behind the stock market for over half a century. Rent and use the spare money to invest in an index fund.

>>81457143
Housing appreciation is way ahead of the stock market here in Canada.

>>81457084 (OP)
Men are lazy and need constant baby-ing from women to do basic stuff, shocker!

>>81457185
might feel that way but over the long term it isn't true

this is the Canadian housing index

>>81457226
And it's somehow not the mommy's fault for forgetting this? Lmao?

>>81457084 (OP)
this is just part of the broader economic insecurity, these guys are one of the first to smell it

>>81457260
Hot waitress index is out, guys who dont bother index is in.

>>81457260
>broader economic insecurity
:|
You call this a real force? Like you sound like some aboriginals sitting around the campfire talking about the ancient evil "Da Kanomy"
>"economic insecurity"
This is code for jews printing fake money that they pay white people for their labor with

YOU THINK YOU ARE PUTTING A FAIR PRICE ON A WHITE SKILLED MAN DOING THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF HIS SPECIFIED LABOR?
You are very much not

>>81457084 (OP)
>If you aren't busy wageslaving then you've stalled
Kek roasties unironically believe this

>>81457084 (OP)
I went on the link and I don't really see it. A lot of women either making it about themselves, or giving them an excuse to trash on men like these. Don't ever forget how much women hate men, in fact they get off on things like this.

>>81457319
I am pretty sure all your female cousins noticed when you didn't come down for Thanksgiving dinner anon

>>81457143
Yes, but you get a mortgage loan which is less than the S&P 500 growth, and make money off the difference, meanwhile the house still appreciates to 6x its value since 1980. Houses aren't supposed to appreciate in real terms.

Hence they are ~1.6x their value in real terms since 1980, which is a difficult entry price because real median wages are probably 1.3x that of 1980, and less than that for entry level jobs. Bringing down housing prices would bump real median wages by about 13% because they're a large part of inflation. It's not a disaster, but it is a policy failure.

>>81457319
>goes on reddit
>I cant believe all women are deranged redditors!

>>81457335
All 0 of them?

>>81457436
>6x since 1980
This looks impressive, but that's a terrible annualized return. That's just 4.06% over 45 years. This isn't even including the costs of maintaince, HOA (if you live in a shithole), property taxes, etc.

Also, the mortgage loan isn't a plus. The interest just eats into your housing returns.

Homeownership only makes sense nowadays if you're going to rent it out to tenants. Even then, you need to be careful.

>>81457471
>>81457436
Just to put this into context, the annualized return of the S&P 500 since 1980 is 11.67%. If you had taken that 64,000 and invested in an index fund instead of the home, you would have made 24x higher returns. That's 24 TIMES more, not percent more.

Homeownership is a meme

>>81457493
>investing in fake money
If you're not prepared for apocalypse 24/7 you are not smart sorry

>>81457436
I correct myself, real median wages are only about 1.18x that of 1980. This is why 1.6x house prices which continue to inflate apace will feel difficult and daunting.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LES1252881600Q
>>81457471
A bit of a misunderstanding, having to buy the home is bad because the S&P 500 is better, however the mortgage loan is a small pot of free money if it's lower than the S&P 500, which it usually is. Yet you do have to arrange living for yourself regardless, so owning a home which appreciates 1.6x is a bonus. Owners have likely beaten renters over the last 40 years.

>>81457512
It's not really free though because the loan has to go towards the house. The opportunity cost is huge. If I gave you a loan to buy copper, it's not free money, because you probably would have made more money in the long run buying a better asset rather than paying down your copper loan. Renting is cheaper, even ignoring the saved money on maintainence costs, taxes, etc.

>>81457084 (OP)

>Women are fatter, uglier, more boring, more demanding, and more insufferable than ever before. They take pride in not knowing how to cook, not wanting to have a family, and in being stupid shit like a (((((wine aunt))))).

>School is a scam where you pay tons of money for a piece of paper that's ultimately a gamble in whether it pays off or not. If it does, your corporate scum overlords are pissed you're making anywhere near as much money as them and seek to actively replace you with third-worlders. This leaves you working a dead end job to pay off debt for paper that was worth 1/100th what the academia kikes charged

>Your kids, if you have any, are likely to grow up retarded and/or queer, or maybe they'll turn out to be criminals, or at best they'll end up stuck at home living off you cause the future is even bleaker for them. All the while the nagging fat insufferable bitch wife is in tow making you even more miserable.

The juice isn't worth the squeeze. Fuck your parasitic-boomer-nigger society. Videos games and porn until collapse.

>>81457084 (OP)
>Tell men everyday they are worthless and not needed
>Shame them everyday
>When COVID strikes and social pressure is used to try and force them to take and experimental MRNA gene therapy, told they should be rounded up in camps and murdered.
>No apology when COVID madness ends
>Told to get back to work for shit wages that barely cover costs.
>Censored on social media and can't even speak freely in online games.
Why aren't men interested in working or going to school and only do things that make him feel better....
Really is a mystery.
Welp, future is female, hope you ladies pick up construction work and military service quickly.

>>81457084 (OP)
A number of them are sympathizing and mentioning how they themselves were either in this situation or are still in it. But that's not to say r*ddit isn't dominated by the spiteful and insane.

>>81457573
Money is fungible. The loan you are taking for the home is secretly going towards the S&P 500, unless you're a big spender when you have money on your hands. This is why it's better to not pay off your low rate loans. It improves your homeownership math a little.

I think with unusually appreciating home values, owners have usually won in recent years. Property taxes usually aren't that high. It depends if you got a rent controlled apartment in a prime spot, though. That's almost like a second form of homeownership.

>>81457260
This, most men know that there's no one coming to save them essential. No one offering them a high paying job where they essential just attend meeting all fucking day and do nothing. There's no one vying for their attention to get the chance to give them their money, time and affection. Lots on young men (me included) see that the road ahead is to work like a fucking dog to die penniless and bitchless.

>>81457575
It really do be like it is

>>81457673
Oh I get what you're saying. You're "taking a mortgage" but you actually want to leverage that capital more effectively.

>>81457143
Having your own home is a literally prehistoric need. Wtf is this jedi mind trick you're trying to pull?

>>81457710
>Having your own home is a literally prehistoric need.
Damn one of the absolute purest needs, every species nests

>>81457710
>>81457720
Did anyone say that you need to be homeless, retard? Including the opportunity cost of missed cpaital apperciation, it is also always a better financial decision to rent than to buy.

>>81457084 (OP)
My boss told me how he lived in a small apartment as a waiter in the early 2000's yada yada. And I thought how bizarre. There's literally no way any waiter could live in even the shittiest, cheapest apartment in the city that he worked in. We really live in a different universe. 2008 was the final death blow of this American empire, particularly for young people. It had been a sinking ship for a long time but that was it. Now? We just live in the ruins. The media, politicians, business, your parents, everyone lies and gaslights and tells you how bad it was and how hard they had it while simultaneously talking about all the things they could afford and all the things they could do back then. It's madness and it's sickness. I feel blackpilled to the supreme on this.

>>81457732
Thanks Einstein. But, what if that shouldn't be the better financial decision?

>>81457471
Now put the cost and benefits of owning a home against having to pay rent of a similar sized apartment while investing at the same time. Home, a house, is not only an investment but also provides you with stability and peace for long-term living.

>>81458844
>go too twox
>first post is about men telling a woman they like her blue eyes because they would cum instantly if they saw her look up at them during a blowjob
>the men think this is an acceptable compliment
I seriously hope you guys aren't like this

You know what Ive realized? Men just take longer to develope. Like putting boys and girls same age side by side and expecting them to develope is stupid.

Women at 25 are where men are at 37.

>>81457131
are we having a bit of trouble, roastie? hmm? taxpayer base getting kinda brown? are the streets a little bit scary? hmmmmm?

>>81459035
>first post is about men telling a woman they like her blue eyes
Most obvious bragging post I've ever seen

>>81457143
>Home ownership is a meme.
Oh, do you wanna rent?
Fun fact for you:
1960 average rent was 50% of the minimum wage.
2024 average rent was 130% of the minimum wage.
Have fun "taking off".

Basically it's the end stage of the rat experiment. Women have made it perfectly clear how much they despise men and women are probably the #1 motivation for men to even do anything. Walking back now on this is not possible because everyone would know that it's just a performance to get them back on board. You better prepare for living in a world where men do the bare minimum they need to survive and look at the rest of society as their enemies.

>>81459090
my plan is to buy a van and drink myself to death

>>81457084 (OP)
Genuinely living a nightmare. I have a job as a line cook and I've started to go to the gym again and I volunteer for charities but it's literally all procrastination, when I get back to my mom's basement I waste all my time drinking and watching hour-long youtube slop because I'm terrified of taking steps towards the future. Even the thought of moving out makes me anxious, I've bought so much little kid plastic slop that I have two bookshelves full, moving them all is gonna be a mess.

>>81457143
You have to live somewhere, you can't bunk with your parents and roommates forever.

>>81459104
You havent read the mouse experiment you're just regurgitating reddit talking points

>>81457436
Stupid inflation nigger spreading his pro-inflation niggerdom lies. Wages are stagnant or falling, nigger, those loans might not rise to match inflation but your income isnt either you stupid fucking nigger; so no you are paying progressively more as the value of your income inflates away faster than the stock market moves. Have I mentioned that I hate you and niggers like you with a seething white hot passion? Because you need to be rounded up and exterminated like cockroach

>>81457573
>Renting is cheaper
lmao
my rent 2 bedroom duplex: 1275 a month, up from 1000 over the course of ~6 years.
my mates mortgage 3 bedroom house, garage, on a third of an arce: 765 (6x in value since he bought it ~11 years ago because they've been developing his area the last few years)
LMAO but yeah bros don't buy a house you should rent give all your money to the void like I do

>>81459458
Houses are not an investment vehicle nigger

>>81457084 (OP)
>chatGPT slop
Women don't know nor care

>>81459458
Samefagging because I forgot to mention his mortgage went up from 650 to 765 over the years.
>>81459470
You see words that do not exist in my post.

>>81459476
>6x in value since he bought it ~11 years ago because they've been developing his area the last few years
Youre an unironic Corpo arent you?

>>81459090
US I assume, federal or state minimum wage?

>>81459090
Wow really smart comment, anon. Now compare the average monthly mortgage payment to the minimum wage

>>81461366
They might as well be posting from 1992

>>81457084 (OP)
Why would they care? They hate men

Its amazing how foids mentally break down if they canr fulfill an instinctive protocol like Beta Bucks. They are actual subhumans.

>>81461366
At no point do they offer any of these men pussy

>>81461366
They will never understand why the blackpill took the world by storm. A lie is unsustainable, it takes an infinite amount of effort to keep up the facade, the truth is effortless, it's just point and shoot.
They are physically incapable of operating around the truth and every single one of their lies just keeps fueling the fatigue, the fatigue that will destroy everything they have.

Did you fuckers read the thread? This is not an once of misandry in the top comments.

It's mostly commiserating with the shitty situation people are in these days and then similar female family members having the same issue.

>>81459458

>6x in value since he bought it ~11 years ago

Yeah he got lucky. 2014 was right when the market just started to recover post financial crisis.

>>81461523
They're blaming it on jobs
Yes that's why men are checking out

>>81457471
If you can secure a mortgage payment that is less than the average monthly rent does it make sense then? I ask this as a mid-20s guy wanting to move out of my parents' house but not wanting to shred minimum ~$1200 per month. Using that same money to buy equity in an asset each month, even if the asset doesn't perform as well as the stock market, is appealing to me.

>>81457084 (OP)
The entire concept of adult life is slavery. Mortgages, 9 to 5, dating, taxes, mowing the law, deciding what to eat for dinner, all bullshit. The only thing I like about being an adult is being able to drive, and even that doesn't come without downsides.

>>81461523
why the fuck would anyone read this dumbass thread dude?
With it's dumbass loaded question aimed at shitting on men since that's all we can do these days?
I tried to read it and it was all the same lame ass reddit dogshit wall of text saying the same shit over and over, thankfully no one engaged with it in the misandrist way the original poster posed the question in so you redditfags are not completely irredeemable.

It's time to man up, manchildren. Enough with the smoking weed, fucking your fleshlight, watching anime, playing video games, and screwing around all day. It's time to be a le adult, grind that 9 to 5, take out that loan, marry that obese liberal single mom. I know you think you're happy doing what you're doing, but true happiness is being a wageslave with a fat nagging wife. Man the fuck up already.

>>81457084 (OP)
>What do you think contributes to this? Is it post-COVID burnout, parenting style, dating dynamics, or something else?
We tell them 24/7 why. I'm tired of boomers and women who keep doing this "What's going on with young men? Does anybody know why young men are doing what they are doing?!!" type of questions and only asking everybody but fucking young men for their opinion on the matter, and when young men do speak up we're told to shut the fuck up.

>reddit post
Go back there and stay there

>>81461366
You have to understand that leftists are fully convinced that the only reason that any sizeable group of people disagrees with them is because algorithms. They literally can't comprehend that anti-left content is popular because it resonates with people's actual experiences, understanding, and desires.

As far as the average young man is concerned, the left wants to create a world where you must submit to the whims and sensibilities of women at all times, will never have children or a family, will never have a tribe to call your own, will be replaced by foreigners in your own nation, that you will spend the rest of your life slaving for the mere possibility that one day a woman might show you a crumb of romantic or sexual affection, and that this is the best things have ever been. The left (and young women in general) truly believe that if they can just find the perfect combination of words or logic, they can sell these ideas to young men.

>>81457084 (OP)
the average normalfag really thinks like this lmao. they go insane without muh mcjob

>>81461615
A party that prioritized actual leftist economic policies without any of the bs virtue-signaling, gynocentric social policies would never lose an election. Pretty much everyone in the United States would be better off under a Nordic-style government, but America's democrats won't even entertain that because they aren't actual leftist, they're virtue signalling panderers who are in the same pockets as the Republicans.

>>81461366
This screenshot is so interesting. The redditor cannot comprehend anything other than
>Our policies are not working
>Let's double down on them instead
Shaking my god damn head.

This will get no yous but some of us are too retarded to make it in life

I'm 5 years into trying to get my undergrad degree that should have been done in 3 years. Not every autist is a nerdy mega genius

>>81461706
Why do you say that?
The entire second half of the 20th century, after 1945 closed the curtain on WW2 was a period of history called the Cold War. An economic cultural and scientific competition between the left wing Communist Soviet Union and the right wing Capitalist United States of America
The Soviet Union was supposedly a workers paradise, but they had to build walls to keep people from leaving. The media in America elevated them, you had progressive journalists saying things like I saw the future and it works in the Soviet Union". None of those journalists saw the collapse of the Soviet Union coming.
So after saying all that how can you say a party that prioritized actual leftist economic policies would never lose an election?

>>81461746
Here's a (you) buddy. If you're more than halfway through your requirements, brute force your way to that degree. With generative AI, this should be easier than ever. Get that piece of paper and GTFO, then re-asses your life. Every hand's a winner, and every hand's a loser. You got dealt a bad hand but you can still bluff your way to the whole pot.

>>81461719
I hope you're double masking and have your fourth booster.

>>81461759
>the us would be better off with the Nordic model (i.e market capitalism but with free health care and school)
>"Oh, but what about the soviet union?"
Are you alright, dude?

>>81457084 (OP)
Have you seen the economy nowadays?
One bedroom apartments go for 1500 a month.

>>81461796
What do you think the difference is between left wing Nordic policies and left wing Soviet policies?
They are both left wing economic policies

>>81461759
I am more referring to libertarian leftism than authoritarian leftism in the vein of communist Russia and China. There is a middle ground between pure capitalism and pure communism that allows for competition while simultaneously providing for all citizens a certain guaranteed minimum quality of life. The Nordic countries are proof that this can work and are statistically the happiest countries on earth. However, the Nordic countries' biggest flaw is that they also subscribe to overly-progressive social policies and movements, ultimately allowing itself and it's culture to be destroyed by allowing in too many culturally opposite foreigners (see Muslims) and prioritizing social justice for all over prosperity for their own citizens.

>exclude men from society
>wtf? Why aren't men participating in society?

>>81461813
Oh, so you're just retarded. Carry on then.

>>81461814
You mean Diversity wasn't Swedens strength?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_grenade_attacks_in_Sweden
There's no list of grenade attacks in Poland or Hungary. They don't have as many refugees

>>81461814
>There is a middle ground between pure capitalism and pure communism that allows for competition while simultaneously providing for all citizens a certain guaranteed minimum quality of life
That's called California
The problem is a lot of people are living on that guaranteed minimum. They're camping on the street. Their lifestyle is enabled by "compassionate liberalism". They're allowed to steal without punishment hundreds of dollars. They're allowed to do drugs openly. California has the highest state taxes, it is the most redistributionary of all American states. It also has the highest percentage of welfare recipients. The highest rate of homelessness and drug addiction

>>81461796
>>81461814
Do you know anyone personally who lives in a Nordic state?
Have you tried moving there at all?
It seems like people on the left idealise Sweden but never actually go there, never talk to anyone who lives there and have never tried to move to the country they think is the best and happiest on Earth. It's like some kind of promised land

>>81461822
The future is female chud
WTF chud why aren't you working?

>>81457084 (OP)
ChatGPT wrote that post

>>81461706
>A party that prioritized actual leftist economic policies
In an American context that would just mean to take more from the productive members of society and shovel it on their permanent black underclass.

>>81461539
I wrote a long ass, in-depth reponse and accidentally deleted it. Can't be bothered to re-type it, so I'll keep it short. That makes sense as long as the mortgage is still cheaper considering the cost of property taxes, maintainane of the property, etc. AND the capital cost of missing out on stock investment.

I did a multiparagraph justification of an approxiamtion formula. Not doing that again unless someone asks.

>>81459373
Anon... you can rent

>>81457791
But it is, so cry

>>81457511
If the stock market collapsed and never recovered, you're fucked whether you own stocks or not. The global economy runs on this "fake money" and doesn't care how you feel about it.

Right wingers say that Japan is the best country in the world but they seem actually interested in visiting Japan and making friends with Japanese people
Left Wingers say Nordic countries are the happiest place on Earth, but seem to have no interest in visiting those countries or making friends with people who live there, or even trying to permanently move there like some weaboos do with Japan. It just exists as a pretext for them to pass laws here

>>81457084 (OP)
kek they're worried about losing their beta bucks

Of course men are dropping out of society. Why would you want to fight in a losing battle?

>>81457084 (OP)
>carve out some independence.
Yea,because enslaving yourself to a mortgage and wageslaving for decades sure sounds like independence.
>>81459373
Yes, I can. I have my own room. Nobody really bothers me and I can shut some doors if I want to feel like I'm home alone. I'm in a big city with plenty of job opportunities. I pay no rent and split the bills with my parents. My mom cooks almost every day. When my parents die, I inherit the whole place and all of their substantial savings. With all the money I'm saving by not paying rent, not paying a mortgage and being KHHV, I'm likely going to afford to retire in my 40s. I'm not even trying to live cheaply and I still save 70% of each paycheck and I put it in bank deposits, state bonds and ETFs. And because I have no stress of any kind, I end up doing a good job at my workplace, so nobody gives me shit there. And if I somehow get fired, I literally don't care. I have several years worth of savings without counting what my parents have.

The job market is being held hostage by HR employees who don't want to hire anyone without 10 years of experience for their mediocre businesses.

>>81462040
Literally my relationship.

>>81462040
Maybe don't fuck whores
>>81462157

>>81461523
>Discussing men's issues
>Then similar female family members having the same issue.
>We MuSt MNeiTion WomN HvE proOBlem!!!1!!1!!111!!

>>81461933
Wtf I thought black qweenz were with us. What the hell, man.

>>81461933
post the followup how her studio got closed and the game cancelled ^^

>>81462279
Shut the fuck up retard. Men are infamous for never bringing up their own issues except when they want to derail conversations about women's issues.

>>81457084 (OP)
I'd want to get a job, a place to live and just rot away but can't even do that shit

>>81462357
>Men are infamous for never bringing up their own issues
I know. That's the whole point. Men speak about men's issues. The women peer in and make it about themselves. Every. Single. Time.
>Retard
was that aimed at me? or yourself?
Try saying it whilst peering into the mirror.

>>81457493
>just live in an apartment and own nothing goy
>you will instead get these (((index funds))) that are totally not fake and gay

>>81457575
The only chance we had was in high school. For the most brief moment the women weren't defiled whores. If you couldn't make it happen back then, it is over for you. After the subsequent years of college or work training you get a job. You realize that young chaste women are nowhere to be found. All that is left are hordes of roasties that as you mention have literally nothing to offer. If you didn't lock anything down in high school, it's over. If you aren't first, then you're last. That's it, why work if the most powerful driving factor for men is entirely unattainable? Grind and self improve for the ran through, decrepit version of what some broccoli haired highschooler got only for having drugs and a car.

>>81462040
Brutal humiliation ritual. Bucko had to choose between making that TikTok and going back to Hammerhand MGTOW videos.

>>81457710
>Having your own home is a literally prehistoric need
a home in an area with low property taxes will cost you around 200 dollars a month with home insurance
a ROOM where i live (california) costs a THOUSAND dollars a month
you're a fucking idiot

>>81462169
leftist can't do any better anon

>>81461830
But no, really. Do you have enough economic and political literacy do explain nuisances of leftist polices between those countries? Preferably using Marxist theory?

>>81461933
studio got closed down kek

>>81457084 (OP)
i don't understand the people who say its because no house or money. I hope its poorfag cope bc If all this is is people lacking "stuff" and nothing more, it would make everything 10x more depressing than it already is.

>>81463156
The Nordic model is Democratic Socialism
The Soviet Union is Communism

It's still a drop in the bucket. The men dropping out are only the men who were never a social factor anyway. No one who knows they can be successful is gonna throw their life away ESPECIALLY when there's less competition among men then ever. For every guy that decides not to be a full time dishwasher, that's two guys in college for finance on the path to success that suddenly have part time jobs that NEED them, not the other way around.

>>81461933
>Black Panther game cancelled
>Iron Man game greenlit
lmao the white man marches on

What world do these women live in? Women are allowed to be the most useless NEETs all through their 20s, hell, single mothers are functionally NEETs that shat out a sprog and think that makes them something special. Even with the increased rates of male NEETdom, they're not even coming close to reaching the levels of female social parasitism. It's extremely socially unacceptable to be a leeching NEET as a man.

The only concern about men checking out is that their welfare state becomes unsustainable. They want men to work so they can get the free ride. That's it, that's all it comes down to.

>>81461706
>Pretty much everyone in the United States would be better off under a Nordic-style government

Greece tried to have a Nordic styled government and they collapsed into a Sovereign Debt Crisis in the 00s because people were just parasitic on it. It turns out you need a high IQ, high trust population of nords to make the nordic system work. The people are the magic juice.

Extrapolate Somalians in Sweden to be 50% of the population, and the nordic model there collapses.

America has a two trillion dollar deficit every year, it'd easily be 4 trillion if they tried to do what nordic countries do.

>>81464668
Sadly this is reality.

>>81457084 (OP)
>Men in their early 20s dont wanna start their adult lives
>noooo you can't just date a 20 yr old girl when you're in your thirties, she's not ready to start her adult life and settle down!

>>81461523
Women's careers are more akin to hobbies. Completely different situations.
Honestly it puzzles me what even drives women. Its like they're able to live self contained and totally cut off from men, but unironically not care. Men go hollow where women just drone on.

>>81464956
Well what about large multiracial democracies? Instead of comparing America to Nordic countries, compare the United States with large multiracial democracies that experimented with Socialism in the 20th century. India and Brazil.

>>81464668
>you need a high IQ, high trust population
You need a moral culture and high trust population. And how do you get that? By throwing anyone not following the good culture or who create distrust, out of the country immediately.

>>81464189
The way it plays out is the Upper levels of society become increasingly saturated with psychopaths since having excess empathy and compassion is effectively what gets you filtered. These traits served some purpose establishing civilization but have become a burden.
Women start associating psychopathic traits with status more than ever before.
God knows what happens next.

>>81457084 (OP)
the one where it goes like this
you: it's important for men to have hobbies!
woman: it seems like you're forcing them to be dorks just to fit in

>>81461538
>Yes that's why men are checking out
Isn't it? If wages weren't dogshit low then at least there'd be a reason to wageslave.

Average TwoX poster age is probably close to 40 they're realizing they actually aren't going to get married

>>81465627
You can wageslave alone for like 5 years until no gf empty life brings you back to the original problem

>>81461706
Ah yes, free healthcare and college would fix my life as a 28 year old with zero health issues and a BA. Yes, my friend, thats exactly what would fix the entire country and all of our issues.

Kill yourself.

>>81461706
>>81464668
Nobody every brings up the fact that nordic countries are sitting on top of a shit ton of oil that is owned by the goverment itself. they leverage this to give their citizens wealthy life styles. Its entirely backed by oil just like saudi's. It doesn't actually work as a long term economic system they moment the run out of oil they're going to be spiraling into debt.

>>81465682
At least I'd have better distractions.

>>81461559
Being a kid is slavery. You are totally under the authority of others every moment of your life, and you do it for free. When you're an adult you can fuck off in the woods if you want, you could kill somebody if you want to take the risk, you can become an alcoholic or live on nothing but candy. Whatever you feel like. You don't "have to" do any of that shit. Of course, you're a retard since you included making decisions for yourself as part of your conception of slavery, so idk why I bothered (You)ing but enjoy it.

>>81462028
Japan is the best country in the world (it bans militarism in the constitution and has low wealth inequality). Would probably be better if JCP or Reiwa got elected, mind you, but the LDP are better than people overseas think and a lot less destructive than US/EU conservatives.
t. leftist who moved here

>>81462068
Only thing you gotta do is murder them as soon as they get too old and threaten you with them retiring/needing caretaking

>>81464189
Where the hell did u get "less competition among men than ever" from.. this shit is absolutely cutthroat when the labor market has been globalized and the workplace feminized to the extent that it has, and it's only going to get worse for the time being..

>>81457143
>Housing appreciation has lagged behind the stock market
yes, because zoomers should've invested in stocks instead of being schoolkids playing minecraft.
It doesn't matter if it lags behind the stock market because niggers that just graduated highschool or college and just entering the employment-market don't fucking have any assets.
And you know what has lagged even further behind? Wages.
If you compare the federal minimum wage and the median home value from 1974, ($2 an hour and about $28K), and compare it to todays median home value (about $420K), the new federal minimum wage appropriate for that home value in 2025 is nearly $30 an hour.

>>81466947
Not sure what you point is? I never said that this generation doesn't have it worse off. I said that the stock market is a better investment. Who are you arguing against?

>>81457084 (OP)
Why work some shitty demeaning job when I could be "making" the same amount of money doing what I want all day on unemployment insurance. It's not like I'm going to ever own a home or get a gf much less start a family, so there's zero reason to worry about saving or making anymore money then I absolutely need to.

>>81457084 (OP)
No urgency to find a job, thats such a nasty way to look at it. When these women get to a bit over 30 they will find how hard it is to actually get a job.

>>81459104
Just earn enough for fun, I really don't know why boomers got 30 year loans for houses that were only 4x their yearly wage, I think my parents just took the first loan offered.

>>81461573
I'd still rather be a man, at least I can go to sketchy places if I want and be able to defend myself.

>>81467478
I have a feeling very cheap places are going to start showing up in rural areas. So it might be good to have saving incase of opportunities.

>>81457143
This post goes beyond the point that I could reasonably believe it was written by someone who wasn't paid to do so. Update your models WEF scum.

>>81461523
Incels don't read, understand, or analyze anything dude. They just accept shitty titles of news articles as fact and feed it into their worldview. They are a symptom of the shitty education system

>>81464120
That is words not explanation of differences.
Also no application of Marxist theory, capitalism stealing added value all that philosophy. So try again.

>>81466912
>Where the hell did u get "less competition among men than ever"
Men dropping out means less competition for women, less competition for jobs from other men. so if a successful dude needs pocket money he can easily get a job because the loser guy that would be doing it full time isn't taking up the spot. more options for successful people = they succeed even harder

>>81465807
Sweden has no oil, but they do have iron ore.

>>81464980
Women just buy things, decorate their apartment, travel and get laid effortlessly.
At work they play their social games.

>>81467921
It's not the same pool... they're just going to hire an Indian or a Guatemalan.. when's the last time you worked for minimum wage

>>81466638
This is a false equivalence.

you argue that you're a slave as a child because you are under parents legal authority then you turn around and say that you're free as an adult because you have free will to ignore legal authority. Well children can also ignore their parents and run into the woods. So its really not much different at all.

>>81466656
Its the best country in the world because its right wing. You are yet another parasite ruining it. Just taking advantage of the society conservative right wing traditionalists built, using it as a play ground while destroying it for future generations.

>>81468145
How is that guy ruining Japan exactly? He's there legally.

>>81468161
it really doesn't matter if he is there legally or not. He's a foreigner and a leftist. He will likely attempt to influence their culture, politics and traditions. Fact of it is that he likely barely speaks Japanese the same way chinks in America's china towns don't speak English. He has no deeper respect for the culture or people. His permanent presence itself is a blight. Don't even get me started on if he is fucking Japanese women.

>>81468161
Or in other terms, he's a newfag but unlike a normal tourist who just lurks and leaves, he is a permanant resident meaning he posts and ruins the original culture of the website, treating it like a porn website and turning it to complete shit.

>>81468193
The Japanese people have decided that they would rather let people immigrate to their nation than implode as an economy. I think it's only wise of them.

>>81461774
>starts talking about the vaxx out of nowhere

>>81467921
Youre forgetting the part where the vacuum left by the men who dropped out is instantly filled by immigrant brownoids

>>81468221
>I know what will save the heckin economy
>infinite immigration from countries with way shittier economies!
>surely illiterate dirt farmers from countries with a per capita GDP of $800 per year know a thing or two about boosting first world economies

>>81461940
ChatGPT wrote that reply

>>81468221
>The Japanese people
nah, a select few government officials influenced by jews decided it was whats best for the country.

>>81467921
It also means less jobs created by men.

>>81462040
I want to think this video is a comedy sketch, but theres so many cases on social media about people like this. In my country there is/was this couple who would make reels nonstop degrading the guy and the bitch who was addicted to guzzling sperm from strangers that were over talkative about their shit and played the ideal couple so hard that everyone disliked them, even the open minded larpers. Turned out that the guy got sick of the bitch, not only for the degrading shit she made him film (they talked nonstop about the guy having a small dick and that was ok because she could find bigger cocks among a whole set of other nasty shit) and she was the most absolute toxic piece of trash that ever walked on earth, literally doing everything in her hand to ruin the guys life, pulling knives on his neck when he fucked other people (remember they were praising the swinger life) and just being nasty to everyone that dared to interact with the guy, even his family and friends. The jokes write themselves. Then roasties ask why the fuck men dont wanna do anything with them. There will be a shortage of cats soon

>>81468117
i thought brownoids were on welfare mate

>>81469019
It works if the woman actually wants to settle down and change. The beta finally gets a gf who is truly grateful for him and wants to fuck, she gets stability and true love. Sluts and incels are meant to be. It's based. Die mad about it

>>81469037
Yea, no, fuck off. Incels are incels because they dont settle for human trash. The guy im talking about was a chadlite and had plenty of women around, when he broke off that bitch leash he probably fucked them all and got a family or whatever. The problem is not even being a slut, the problem is being an unhinged crazy bitch. Anyway, ill guess ill go cry on my zoomette's chest and then get a blowjob before rawdogging her. Stay mad, nobody will ever love you, roastie

>>81457084 (OP)
I'm a doctor and I still can't get a gf lmao

>>81469137
>I'm a doctor
No you're not nigga
Selling dope in the hood (hood pharmacist) doesn't make you an MD. Post a pic of the hospital you work at

>>81469247
This one atm

>>81464014
Poorfag reporting
Women get to coast in their 20s and maybe until their 40s
Men don't have every woman trying to fuck them and finance their entire existence for simply having a dick.

>>81469124
I have a relationship exactly like that webm I'm not mad about anything you are with that huge paragraph of cope lol.

>>81469257
God damn, what is a doctor doing on 4chan? Real legit credentials

>>81469307
I was a retard NEET robot before I was a doctor

>>81457084 (OP)
I just read this comment:
>A lot of the problems young men face are simply societal issues. I'm not talking about the loneliness epidemic, that one is the fault of the men experiencing it. But getting started in life is the hardest it's been in about 60 years.

so what's the logic behind saying that lonely men are at fault for being lonely?
Notice they said "loneliness epidemic" and not "male loninless epidemic", but in the next sentence only put the blame on men.

>>81469312
What country? I'm pressing x for doubt

>>81469401
New Zealand
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>>81469344
Just be a 6 foot athlete olympian engineer mega chad doctor astronaut navy seal before you turn 25 and have a harem of tik tok thots, bro.
It is that easy brah

>>81469266
Kek, i feel so sorry for you. You cannot even read more than two lines but also are in an impending murder relationship. Yet you have the balls (because YWNBAW) of telling other people they are coping. Get some selfrespect, and maybe a job

>>81469418
You need anxiety medication this is not a normal response to shitposting

>>81469408
Why no gf?
C'est un comment originale

>>81469432
ugly and old

>>81468308
I said no such thing, you can get immigrants from other developed nations and believe it or not, manufacturing and farming need the helping hands from SEA region.

>>81469450
Yeah, and the cotton industry "needed" infinity slave niggers

Why not instead of importing the third world and underpaying them look at what we can do to benefit our own people as they age into oblivion - China has dark factories, why can't we? Why can't we find a way?

>>81459504
Where do you investment? I was stating a fact.
>>81461531
He did. Last ~3 years his area has been getting developed a lot so value of houses there has been going up alot.

>>81469480
Do you want cheap goods or do you not? Do you want to pay out the ass for services and food? We can return to a time when 40% of the household income went to cover food.

>>81469568
Why are you pretending this is the only option?

People lived great lives until neoliberalism came along

>>81469714
The alternative to free trade is ruthless imperialism.

>>81457084 (OP)
>IT'S NOT GENDER VS GENDER
she says

>>81467829
>incels look for cherry-picked information to validate their worldview
They don't need to look for long at all. Have you tried using a dating app?
My worldview is that women have rejected me in favor of older men since I was 13, and then rejected me for being inexperienced due to their past rejections since I was 20.

I hate how you faggots keep blaming capitalism.
It's not capitalism's fault that women blame straight white men for the crimes of more criminal demographics.
It's not capitalism's fault that girls are encouraged to be as promiscuous as possible while boys aren't.
It's not capitalism's fault that teenage aren't beaten and punished by their parents for having four secret 20-30 year old boyfriends in favor of dating boys her own age.

>>81469727
Y'know free trade existed when the cost of living was much cheaper... right? And when the purchasing power of the dollar was much better... right?

>>81457143
>Rent and use the spare money
WHAT SPARE MONEY?!

>>81462008
>Anon... you can rent
>>81457732
>it is also always a better financial decision to rent than to buy.

What century do you live in?
Any place with decent paging jobs will take up at least 50 to 60% of your income.
The rest of your income is spend on taxes, groceries, gas and hygien/health bills.
If you rent, you have no breathing room at all. Forget about investing, you can barely save up anything.

>>81464980
>Honestly it puzzles me what even drives women. Its like they're able to live self contained and totally cut off from men
A young single fertile aged woman is pretty much a mini celebrity. Even the fattest ugliest girls I knew had men throwing themselves at them. If they get tired of that, they could settle for a circle of girlfriends or male gay friends.
Their struggle is more about getting a man who won't pump and dump them. Also the fact they're on borrowed time.

THE JUICE IS NOT WORTH THE SQUEEZE

every guy tried to be prince charming to a woman and probably got shit on for it

every guy tried hard for a company and probably got shit on for it

every guy tried to improve society and probably got shit on for it

this world rewards the worst behavior so they can have each other

>>81461693
i get a certificate of appreciation every friday in the form of my paycheck. i do as little work as possible (often none) while simultaneously cultivating an appearance of being a very hard worker. that's all these stupid jobs actually want but some mfs cannot read between the lines.

people that think any of this "matters" beyond getting paid are actual sub-human retards. Since murder is against the social contract, the best we can do with them is work them to death. they thank you for it too

>>81469887
We don't have free trade right to this day? Free trade has impoverished the industries of the first developed nations, it's called a post-industrial economy for a reason. You can get a better return as an industrialist in low cost nations.

>>81457084 (OP)
>finished college
>has gf
>she says "the bar is so low"
Maybe this is the problem. not every man has to be a super ambitious Jeff Bezos wannabe you dumb cunt.

>>81457084 (OP)
>Why aren't you creating value for us holes?

>>81459441
What happened in 1973?

>>81461366
Have they tried not hating men? Maybe they should "go outside" and "touch grass" lol!

>>81462169
>Maybe don't fuck whores
Most women are whores
>Accept that's how the world is
>Maybe don't fuck whores
So which one is it?

>>81461523
"A lot of the emotional aspects of family dynamics fall on the women"
If you didn't pick up on the misandry in this statement you are retarded. This man in her life is chilling, graduated college and living with his GF, but somehow he's a problem because he is supported by her (for now). What about the millions of other women who are supported by their man? What happened to equality?

>>81469344
They know the issue but don't want to admit because women hate men.

>>81457084 (OP)
I don't feel like I checked out of society. I was never really in it

>>81469137
I'm a doctor (in materials science) who works for an F500/earns the fabled $200k+ salary in a long-term/secure role at 27.
But I am also 5'7". Never been insecure about it but I will say I have had more than a few encounters where I have learned women in my life weigh those two things basically equally. And in my case, not drinking and not wanting a stay-at-home wife are basically strikes two and three, so I stay alone.

>>81461813
Sowell is the guy the bloated mulatto boomer in your office quotes when he wants to sound smart and contrarian while also playing the idpol card, despite seeing neither how much of a Facebook quote retard he is or seeing how much he's sold out to massastein

>>81459059
The average of both are retarded and are largely socialized to be that way.
You can 100% socialize men to be mature and responsible at 25. Just look at any graduate program. The issue is we let normie guys just fuck around and waste away chasing cheap dopamine all the time while we encourage women to make something of a career for themselves. Even though they're all spinning their fucking wheels in this shitty society, at least one of the two has some semblance of success.

>>81465789
>me, me, me
This is exactly why the country will never be fixed, you dumb faggot. You will not be a 28 year old with zero health issues forever and even if you do remain healthy other people won't which drives them into bankruptcy, addiction, crime or even death. That's bad for society and for you because you also live in society. You dumb nigger. It also wouldn't fix EVERY issue because there is no cure-all, you need multiple things from every angle but free healthcare and education is one of those angles. How the fuck did a retard like you get a BA in the first place?

>>81461706
>>81471000
you would need to deport all nonwhites and spiritual niggers first to even attempt to do that. too many useless eaters.

>>81471000
>this is why the country will never be fixed
Kek shut the fuck up you dumb commie faggot. You're claim is false. Merely giving me free health care isn't going to fix society. Its not about me, its about the tens of millions of 28 year olds like me.

Before you even consider universal healthcare because you're a dygenic fucking freak who needs a cocktails of pills every morning, you should get the basics down first. Not a single person my age should be insecure in finding independence.

So again this isn't how it fucking works you dumb fucking dipshit.

You're a fucking retard spouting retarded bullshit. Free education is pointless if it doesn't create jobs. Free healthcare is pointless if you're just going to get stabbed by a nigger because you're homeless.

>>81470920
That's kind of hardcore anon. You ever mentioned that to anyone outside of /here/? I was wondering if I went wrong not throwing myself 100% into career, but investing that amount of effort to end up disrespected for your stature seems soul crushing.

>>81471000
>you need to be a slave to society so i can live on your income
Fuck off, boomer.

>>81471000
>muh academia
Why are leftists obsessed with academia?

>>81470406
Dumbest fucking motto going around nowadays. Alienation and mental illness can drive a person to do absurd things but that doesn't justify burning down "villages" and the numerous shootings that happen daily. Does being rejected by a woman justify killing her because "well she deserved it because she didn't let me feel the warmth of her cunt :("?
Why do men give lonely younger men the advice of "go to the gym bro"? Or suggest that they find a hobby? There are other ways to go about loneliness than picking up a gun and shooting up a mall because you have no friends. There has to be at least 20 things you can do before you plan a shooting, pick up a gun, pick out a gun from a store, pass the background check, act natural while buying it, stock up on ammo, save up a few month's worth of money for the whole ordeal, pick out a location, scout the location, observe when the most amount of people are there, pick a date, plan for the day, make a "i'm going to shoot up a place" playlist, put your headphones in, and it goes on but there has to be at least 20 things you can do instead of "getting revenge" that won't end in people dead and with you either put away in prison for life or with a self-inflicted gunshot to the head.

>>81471118
Because academia is authoritative in nature.
Humans LOVE being part of hierarchical structures. Leftists are no exception.

>>81471632
Up to may there's already almost 200 mass shootings across the country. You can mock their feelings, call them insecure and etc but that won't decrease the amount of shootings or bring the dead back
Exactly people like you that create even more of those shooters. Enjoy kek

>>81471632
>There are other ways to go about loneliness than picking up a gun and shooting up a mall because you have no friends
>Never say what those ways are
Women are like those fake gurus. "It's easy to get money, there's many ways" then proceed to dodge everything and say you aren't the one putting the effort

>>81469033
Not mutually exclusive, they're eligible for all sorts of rent programs food aid and businesses that employ "refugees" in particular are actively subsidized by federal programs.. this is the same thing that happened in Springfield Ohio, jobs were going to Haitians that weren't even being advertised to residents

Liberal feminism is a failed ideology, it's collapsing like communism in the USSR in the 1990s. I need to get my shit together and write an article somewhere. Unfortunately I don't know how to crack legacy media, I have the feeling it's all nepotism.

>>81471632
You don't know what the term "social contract" means nor where it originated from.

>>81471765
The opposition to the notion that maybe there are things you can do and offload some of those feelings of loneliness doesn't help either. I'm not mocking my fellow robot. Does rejection justify killing a woman? If you weren't into a woman for whatever reason and tried to let her off gently, would it justify her kidnapping you and doing god knows what with you? I'm saying that there are other things you can do with your time besides pining over no gf. It won't be the same thing as having a thick or petite gf to fuck, love, what have you, but it would be a start, a compromise if you will. If your flight was running late and they tell you it'll be an hour before you can board and get on with your flight, you're ready to go and it'll inconvenience you but you have an hour to kill. Get a pretzel, listen to a podcast, read a book, rub one out in the bathroom, think about people who are on their flight and getting to where they need to be.

>>81469033 (double replying here)
If it wasn't some cutesy rhetorical question you should really look into just how deep the rot goes and how deliberate this policy is.. I'm not even white but why would ANYONE work hard in these countries when you're just going to get bled dry to fund a third world patronage network/neo-spoils system ? It's mind boggling

>>81462681
Not even then. But yeah, at least you had enough blinders on to believe it.
"Oh I broke my hymen during gymnastics"

Men realize in order to exist, we are required to compete against:
-government mandated diversity (anti-white nepotism, or pro money counter adjacent nepotism)
-third world nepotism
-other males trying to pull the ladder up

After being told all our lives that more people equals new demand for jobs instead of creating a shortage on prosperity. Western atomized men were never prepared to compete against an invasion of jeet serfs okay with replacing every suburban nuclear family home with 20 ubereat drivers.

>>81471919
everyone replying to me ignored the fundamental point that winners don't quit

>>81462681
My friend, cousin and another friend married virgin women and yeah, they all got to know their woman since highschool

>>81457084 (OP)
I've come to realize women simply dislike men by default unless they offer something to them, which I don't, so I decided to not pursue relationships, and without those, I'm really low maintenance, so I work the bare minimum to not starve and to buy entertainment.

I imagine there's a lot of men like me, who were society's punching bag, the guys rejected by girls, bullied by other guys and/or generally invisible or even demonized by either political side, after adulthood you just want to check out into a world were you won't get hurt.

The only reason I work is because I have to, if I had the option to be a NEET I'd take it.

It's time for women to admit feminism won and this is the result.

>>81457143
>rent
>and use spare income
The "spare income" thats the difference between renting and owning won't do shit for your finances.
If you have enough money to invest then you don't even have to give a fuck about the fact that you are renting.
I'm not paying for something forever just to not own it, its an infinite money sink.

if the immigrants are replacing the non immigrants why does it matter if people drop out?

>>81472845
>I'm really low maintenance, so I work the bare minimum to not starve and buy entertainment

This isn't unique at all, in fact its the default male lifestyle. Most men pursue wealth more as a form of social status than because they actually enjoy the fruits of their labor. Every ancient myth describes women as being the ones who introduce civilization to men for a reason. Men throughout all of history have been perfectly happy living in a cabin in the woods somewhere with little but the necessities. But men want women and families so we make compromises. But a lot of men don't feel like they can get women, and even if they did many if not most women nowadays don't want families. Why do anything but live the bare minimum?

>>81467829
Sounds like a lot of projection to me, chud.

desu is more related with a comfortable zone to leech more than any sort of burnout or whatever.

Yes, working doesn't do much for you now, but if you actually needed to you would. Men checking out of society only means they can leech from the riches of their boomer parents.

>>81461366
>very left-leaning, very pro-LGBT
We're cooked

>>81472887
>The "spare income" thats the difference between renting and owning won't do shit for your finances.
Yes it will if you're investing the ACTUAL difference between owning (property taxes, HOA fees, mortage principal AND interest, etc.)
>If you have enough money to invest
Unironically gonna hit you with the "stop eating avocado toast" line
>I'm not paying for something forever just to not own it, its an infinite money sink.
So you bought your own diesel generator to avoid renting electrical from the utility company, right?

>>81462040
Please stop posting nightmare fuel like this

>>81469850
It's your fault, anon. If I talked to you on Discord or something I'm sure it would become glaringly obvious why women aren't interested in you. This happens EVERY SINGLE TIME with every incel, they pretend like women just hate them for no reason, and yet when you talk to them you see that they make themselves dislikable for no fucking reason

Let me say it one more time: BEING ALONE IS YOUR FAULT

>>81462040
This is the life of some guy, plenty of them in fact

>>81474045
No incel is dislikable as you, besides that anon that lives crying about his dick being small
It's funny how malicious tards want to talk about personality

>>81469019
>I want think this video is a comedy sketch
Did you think it was a documentary you dumb nigger

I'm just a loser. I try over and over again but I can't stay disciplined. The reason why is that
My mind doesn't work in the right way, socially or intellectually. As a result when I do try, it never enriches my life. I instead feel like a robot following algorithms in a rigid world designed and run by other people. My head is empty. I'm a follower and listener, not a leader or thinker. Processing the world and using that information to learn and grow takes longer for me. By the time you're 20 you have a good grasp on your strengths and weaknesses, and realize that every second of your life is and has been and will be shaped by these, thus your life will have a fairly predictable trajectory. Is that life worth the effort? Your answer decides whether or not you coast.

>>81470920
If you're making that kind of money, fly over to south america or south east asia and fuck women there (If you're white). There's no reason to restrict yourself to the toxic sludge that western women are if you are making anywhere north of 60-70k a year.

>>81471632
Stop treating people you don't find attractive/charismatic like pound scum that needs to be scrapped off into a trash bag.

>>81457084 (OP)
single woman just looking for a man to nag

>>81471632
>turn society into auschwitz torture chamber you cannot escape from
>waaahh why are you muredering mee owww waaaaaaaaah

>>81474045
its actually women that act hateable. I know it sounds crazy, but if one party is never criticized or punished for cruel/antisocial behavior, it's usually THEM that are shittier human beings simply because they never had any incentive to be anything more than a self obsessed bitch.

>>81474045
I genuinely hope you get cancer.

>>81471632
>Just deal with society abusing you to the point that you're mentally ill and alienated and go off in your little corner
Yes, it's justified.

>>81469124
>Incels are incels because they dont settle for human trash.
That is volcel. If you are turning women down because they don't meet your standards, you are not incel. Incels can't get ANYTHING no matter how low they set the bar.

>>81469307
All you have to do to become a doctor is studymaxx, it's a lot of work but it's not like it's unrealistic some autismo nerdoid could do it

>>81814709
Reading the reddit thread pisses me off. Nobody will admit it's abnormal what men are going through, and when they do, they do it by saying men are lazy. Men are just "suffering from success" too much. Or men aren't demanded to man up as much as women. Young men are doing way worse than young women, financially, socially, and physically, and all that r*dditers can say, even when admitting this, is how much better men have it.

>>81470976
To be fair, the male strat of checking out has been somewhat working for me as a 25 year old. I hiked the appalachian trail with my wagie money and now can tolerate working and studying more and can take on much more now because I supercharged my vagal tone a year ago on that hike and had a chance to experience complete autonomy for a while.(not moving means no water or food.)

A lot of the problem is how we're checking out, not that we are. Vidya and bedrotting just make you more miserable. Being inside sucks. Being sedentary sucks. Attention farming software we have to use to survive sucks. Not feeling the sun, rain, wind, and straining to carry stuff and climb around sucks. We're animals, yet society punishes us at every turn for what we are. Men, and women to a lesser but still significant extent, are robbed of any sufficient habitat.

Foids are much better adapted to our modern sedentary lifestyle and indeed are becoming superior and far more powerful than most males due to technology advancing and society growing. Just as females historically required a safe, protected home to be happy due to their less muscular physeology and brain differences, males will need concrete jungle gyms and useless physical labor to be happy due to theirs. Currently, if men would just lean into physical labor more, establish a good physical lifestyle, and then take on our female-coded, dominated, anti-man education system, we'd be in a much better place. I blame the fall of modern men on technology and boomer hubris.

>>81477787
You sound so fucking gay no amount of hikes will undo that

>>81469037
>being a cuck is based

>>81457084 (OP)
>a lot of the emotional aspects of dynamics fall on the women
Some women really like to make up problems out of thin air

>>81477820
You're a perfect tool for our degenerating misandrist patriarchal society. The moment another man decides to become an end rather than a means for women, he's a threat to your imagined superiority above him as the better tool. Unfortunately, no. I am not gay. Faggotry is aesthetically repulsive to me personally. But I have my emotional needs resolved. I am doing well and hide my power level just fine. Ironically, I will probably get a woman before you do, and I won't even care. She would be an extra bonus, not the center piece of my whole existence, and I could easily go my entire life without a gf now that I see things how I do, and even then I'd probably have a kid by mistake.

Stop worrying about women so much, and your life will improve. They're great, but they're not worth living for. They're like the moon, not the sun. You can't rely on them to not change on you and never move on from you. It makes sense to appreciate them when they're full, but expect them to disappear on you.

>>81478247
It's funny that you are pretending I am a guy and simultaneously insisting you are not gay
You want to tutor and rape another guy so bad kek

>>81471632
Why is your post glowing

>>81474394
If it helps any having a mind that works intellectually but not socially raises its own issues. You can intuit the social rules well enough and succeed in complex tasks, but if the component in your brain which is supposed to connect with people is broken its as if you're a machine built to follow rules and perform tasks without any real axiology as to why. Normalniggers get to have their rules and enjoy them too, I'm simply a puppet on strings regardless of processing power. I don't think the "win" condition for us (perhaps most robots) can be the same as theirs, the primary advantage I see to our mode of being is the ability to be indifferent to social games that fade to nothingness over short timeframes, but if these don't provide value we inherently need another source. Mine boils down to obtaining objective information (i.e. physical and mathematical laws) because this data seems to exist in some manner "transcendent" to human beings, not sure where to go from there.

>>81469312
Literally my goal transformation. But I missed the boat and now even if I get into med school I' going to be 29, and the people known to fuck doctors are nurses, which are an insanely obese demogrpahic. It's really grim.

>>81479860
I was 23 when I got in, there were dudes in their 30s. Your choice if you wanna do it.

>>81479951
I wanna do it because I figured I will never have a romantic life so I want something meaningful so my life wasn't a total washout.

>>81479519
>the "win" condition for us
Pretty sure the win condition for me was young love, blah blah blah. Since then I have just been limping through life dripping blood. I just don't have the core of a healthy person and I don't ever see anything fixing it.

>>81480018
Same in a sense. I agree not having young love fucks you right up and I'm not intrested in a relationship with an "experienced" woman, where to me it would be special, to her it's just another face. But I use the fact I already lost to do other shit. E.g. I'm never getting love, so I no longer factor that into decisions I make about my life for shit like career choices. Meanwhile I know people who are married stuck in jobs they hate to support their family.

>>81479995
If I could do it over again, I'd do law. Or engineering. Or dentistry.

>>81480134
None of us are even that old, it's not like it's too late to work in a career. The problem is everything else.

>>81471058
> tens of millions of 28 year olds

Low skill jobs also targeted by immigrants so young people have more competition than ever. Labor movement also increases competition for locals everywhere.
First out sourced factories. Then got refugees to do low skill work that can't move. After got skilled labor to do the work with better wages. More competition each step of the way which drives wages down.

>>81461933
I don't think that thing has even touched a computer in its life

>>81468193
this
he is a nigger to the japs as what niggers are to us

>>81469739
>cucker fagson

>>81478591
Why do I have to rape people according to you? Why do I have to have sex according to you? Why would it have to be something unwanted, according to you? Why can't you just be nice? Why do you have to insist I'm a walking talking sex machine who doesn't understand women as people, or even other men as people? I'm not your typical chud. I literally think women are superior in modern society. Either women succeed or society itself falls apart because men sure will if our biology keeps getting used against us and ignored.

And woman or man, you still deserve a proper enclosure. We all do. We treat zoo animals, pets, and wildlife with more respect than we do people more often than we'd like to admit. We recognize how cruel it is to not give them a suitable environment. But when it's another human, we're just exempt from needing basic things animals need. We think we're above nature when we are nature.

Did you know that spending time in the woods, not even doing anything, just being there, reduces stress and cortisol? Yet we spend most of our time boxed in sterilized above ground torture caves, and by our own flawed or coerced choice. Does that make any sense to you? And the way the world is, do you really think it's going to improve, and men will reclaim who we used to be once the young replaces the old? Just magically, all the technological advancement undone?

>>81471765
a "mass shooting" only requires 4 people to be shot. The vast majority of those "mass shootings" are gang violence.

>>81480134
Why? Don't you find it rewarding, intellectually stimulating and meaningful?

>>81470696
>equality
lol, lmao. never existed. women believe in "traditional gender roles for thee, total unrestricted freedom for me"

>>81457084 (OP)
Being lazy and unmotivated is equally common among young women today.
TwoX is just a misandrist subreddit.

>>81477787
This is a bunch of self-aggrandizing prattle. Sure bud. All we need is to conform to what you think is natural. If I had a magic "polygraph gun" that could tell me if anything was correct -- but it said that any of your blether was right, then I'd say, "Fuck this lame-ass world", and kill myself immediately.

TwoX is just woman r9k without any sense of self awareness so I doubt that them ''noticing'' something indicates women in general are noticing it.
Yeah being the average young guy sucks right now but if we're being honest being the average young guy has always kinda sucked.
The only difference now is that the standard we're set to is so astronomically out of reach that a good portion of us would rather rot.

>>81457436
This poster is ~16.

>>81457732
Renting is more that monthly mortgage payments you retard

>>81465789
If you post your address, I'll show up and murder you. You are subhuman. Get the fuck out of my country.

>>81471058
its about the tens of millions of 28 year olds like me.

Holy fuck you are a child. 28 and still has the mind of a fucking toddler.

Get the fuck out of your parents like a get a clue. Go learn about reality you braindead chimp

>>81467921
Have you dropped out over a decade ago? Every two western boomers leaving their minimum wage lifer job get replaced by a jeet or philipino, who then use it to leverage any influence through their community as theyre treated like godfathers. They work towards becoming slum managers to exclusively hire only their race, eventually turning the business into shit because nobody there was hired to do the job right, majority only learn to do it fast to give off the appearance of being a hardworker.

If you had the misfortune of being hired by one while white and competent, you likely only got in to take heat, solve the fuck up, get let go for another white to solve it and train their jeet replacement if you cant. White being the majority in the workforce at least gave new workers bare minimum empathy, but 3rd worlders view new hires needing training as privileged and deserving of being replaced and destitute because their dad belted them at 12 while drilling calculus into them.

>>81457084 (OP)
This is as it should be.
As a 30 year old incel, I am glad and hope every single millenial and zoomer check out of society, and end up living, lonely, unproductive, unfulfilled lives.
I hope it gets worse for everyone.

I'm a white 20 year old male in a nation which has no clear charactic which is expressley anti-white and pro deracination and the erasure of cognizance of ones self as part of a group, while the system simultaneously expects participation and the propping up of "the group". The model citizen of the U.S. is rootless, raceless, and soulless. I have no reassurance at all that my investment in this joke society is going to repay me or be for my own, and I'm not told to have an "own" of any kind. You either have a people or you have none. A boundaryless mentallity DOES NOT FUCKING WORK.
There are more personal factors as well, but THAT is the crux of the problem for a lot of young men, particularly in America BECAUSE it concerns the very fact of how you even INTERFACE with society in the first place. It's a simple question of what's in it for them? What are they getting out of it?

Personally I have no real prospects and I have no hope in the future, so why invest? That's not to say I won't get a job, that's not to say I won't try something, it's not to say I'll never work towards something, but if there was a civilizational equivalent to the Maslow's hierarchy of needs, we are certainly on the lower end of it. It should be no wonder men drop out, or persue escapism.

>>81457226
On the topic of having "an own", this image kind of gets to what I'm talking about. Not the exact same thing but when you are rootless, raceless, classless, deracinated, dispossessed, and purely individualistic, as opposed to collectivist, people drift apart even IN proximity, and they begin to share less and less, and there's a pretense, in any interactions between, that they might not share something deaper. That's fundamentally disfunctional.

>>81481624
Explain reality to us then

>>81481391
It's not "self agrandizing" just because I'm saying you'd be happier and healthier if you lived outside more often. The only egotistical thing I admitted was that I hiked the Appalachian Trail, which is kind of necessary context to understand where I'm coming from. If I didn't even go outside myself, what right would I have to talk about how psychologically important going outside is?

>me: men should go outside and be more physically active because that's what their bodies need to do things like learn and be happy. Exercise increases neuroplasticity and regulates hormones. Being in nauture passively reduces coritsol levels. We're not so above animals that these things don't affect us.

>you: okay bud. I'm not going to go outside or get sunlight or touch grass and I think boys sitting in metal chairs all day and never moving is great for them. And we should continue pretending sending them home so they can grow up to just continue sitting around on screens, not socializing, not getting education, not finding a good job, having their mental health ignored and destroyed, and ultimately them killing themselves with nobody in society caring is exactly how things should be. And the reason they're struggling is something besides what we feed them and what they spend all their day doing on their screens when they're not doing anything else. It's not because technology is inherently double-edged and causes people to work and live ever more unhealthy and stressful lifestyles in order to maximize profit. You're just a fucking egomaniac because that makes sense somehow.

>>81481391
I mean, you think picrel is good for men? Picrel is how we work and live in today's age if we're lucky. Does the man in the wojak look happy to you?

>>81483922
>Does the man in the wojak look happy to you?

>>81483934
That was rehitorical, if you didn't understand what I was saying. The man in the wojak meme is very unhappy. You can see because of his hands at 2am.

>>81483978
I don't give a fuck about a wojak

>>81457084 (OP)
>And then one day, for no reason at all
>Men checked out of society

>>81457143
used to think this until I got sick of shitty landlords and just decided to put a downpayment on a house.

>>81481624
>ummmm u dumb go vote socialist now and it will save the country except actually not you because you deserve it
kek.
>>81481615
>get out of my country
What happened to no illegals?

>>81483986
Lier. The wojak reaches into your soul and touches you in places you don't like. That's why you reject it. It's the shared experience of an entire generation of men, quietly throwing away their lives, sitting around confined to just their computer screen, never experiencing life, only watching it like some kind of conglomerate cuck. I lived that way for 10 fucking years. I knew nothing better.

>>81484295
Touched grass and came back and felt the same way unc u might want to pin it all on the screen but it's just the world at large

>>81457084 (OP)
The real answer is that chasing dollar signs amounts to NOTHING in 2025. In 2020 I turned 25 and was making $65k/year. Now making $80k/year and have zero left after each payday. Everything is too fucking expensive and most men dont want to bother working for a system that despises them. It is not that complicated.

>>81481023
It is stressful and challenging. I feel like the grass is greener on the other side. Most people who go into this career regret it, at least initially.

>>81481693
I hope there's a world wide mass collapse. If I die within a minute of that chaos, it would still be a more fulfilling life than 80 years of the modern world.

>>81457084 (OP)
yeah, that's me. I graduated wtih a computer science degree and haven't been able to find a job as an engineer. I'm looking at different roles, but I won't work blue collar for reasons (call me a fgt idc). I live with my parents and they are supportive of me. so, yeah, i don't have a job. I think I've sent like 100 job apps over the past 2 months. I need to pump those numbers of course.

>>81457084 (OP)
how the fuck are dudes like that able to get gf? I try to leave the blackpill, but it reels me back in. holy shit kek. he's definitely CHAD looks

>>81484317
I'm 25. Yeah, I'm old but not that old.

Touching grass once isn't going to do anything. It might help a little, but the problem is how you live day by day without proper stimulation. It takes like a month of living outdoors exploring nature or rock climbing or doing physical labor to see the massive improvements. I'd say you just hike up and down mountains every day for a week or so long thru-hike to feel noticeably different. The benefits of regular or intense exercise alone, not even considering nature, are well documented and researched. I'm not saying anything groundbreaking. We've known all this about the many many goods of exercise since the Greeks. People just don't give a shit.

And screens are fine if you just make the time to also engage with the world physically, preferably innawoods, and give your brain a chance to rest by, for example, strip mining in minecraft or going for an incel walk or taking a hot shower or petting a pet or staring at a fire or watching a sunset or looking at clouds. Most things on screens are just constantly stimulating and constantly prompting you to do things and think about things or feel angry. It can be a calm or fun activity, but just because you're calm doesn't mean you're resting and will feel better after. Tic-Tok usually makes me feel worse after, at least. And that shouldn't be the foundation of how you live if you value your sanity.

Bro the hiking guy from earlier in the thread is a wojakposter too I can't