For me, it's my intelligence, or lack of it of it.
I'm not severely mentally disabled or anything, but I've taken enough legit IQ tests to know I'm sitting in the low average to average tier. And I can feel it. Learning anything new takes me longer than it should. I struggle with basic math that normie high school girls are able to do. I constantly feel like I'm trying to catch up with everyone else in life.

It sucks because if I were actually smart, I think so many things in life would be easier. Better jobs, higher self esteem, more respect from people. Even conversations would feel less like a performance and more like something I can enjoy. I'd probably even like myself more.

I really do envy people who have high intelligence like it's a superpower, being clever, confident, quick on their feet, able to pick up skills fast. I feel like I missed out on something really crucial, and I have to overcompensate for it constantly.

So what about you?
What's your insecurity that you carry?

>I really do envy people who have high intelligence
na trust me bro, low iq humans have it way easier

>>81581443 (OP)
higher intelligence is directly linked to neuroticism and mental illnesses, socializing is also less enjoyable and harder for many intelligent people as well.

im way more emotional than a man should be i think
im able to introspect and come to conclusions of why i feel this way and that it's highly irrational but i just keep doing it anyway

people realizing I am not normal, not being able to properly participate in society

>>81581443 (OP)
Why has no one here said physical appearance yet? That's my biggest insecurity

>>81581471
That's a long-running falsehood. Intelligence is positively correlated with emotional adeptness and intensity, social development and interaction, and problem solving abilities. The smarter you are, the less stressed out you are and the better your life is. Higher intelligence is correlated with better life prospects overall.

>>81581443 (OP)
women always ghost me, so my biggest insecurity is that i'm actually a very boring person

>>81581521
that is all bullshit and you fucking know it.

I'm afraid I'm never going to feel anything ever again. For about a decade now all I've had is detachment, dissociation and apathy. The only emotions I vividly remember ever feeling are boredom and mild annoyance. I can only vaguely recall feeling any extreme emotion like anger or joy or excitement or sadness or horniness or anything like that. I don't care about anything or anyone. I don't grow attached to anything. I don't want anything. I don't love. I'm so numb I don't even know what to do. I'm frightened I'll be like this forever. I could literally have a baby and look at it and feel nothing at all. Every day I get a little more hollow. I might just kill myself.

>>81581521
not at all, higher intelligence can often lead you to overthink and obsess over unnecessary things in life like social interaction, leading to high inhibition and a generally pessimistic outlook towards life. just because you are intelligent does not mean you will end up with a great job or anything else, these things are largely tied to the opportunities you are already born into.

>>81581521
maybe up to 120 iq or any other intelligence thats still manageable, i doubt youll find as many high functioning members above 150 iq

>>81581471
>higher intelligence is directly linked to neuroticism and mental illnesses
I'm pretty sure it's the exact opposite actually. Most studies have a negative correlation with neuroticism and intelligence.

>>81581465
If you have a high IQ and your life sucks, it is 9/10 times it is your fault or you don't actually have a high IQ. You should be able to develop good skills that are valuable to society for a high paying job or a good business idea. There is no reason why you can't be like pic rel if you are actually high IQ.

>>81581591
> There is no reason why you can't be like pic rel if you are actually high IQ.

That's the part that hurts the most about being a midwit, if you have a high iq you can literally do ANYTHING YOU WANT to do in life. While being a midwit really hinders you from really doing that.

My IQ is tested to be in the 98th percentile and I'm still insecure about it, it just bothers me that people exist out there that can do better than me on that test regardless of how good I have it so I can't imagine how awful it must feel to be dead average or God forbid below

>>81581525
>The higher your intelligence, the lower your risk of becoming ill and dying prematurely. This applies across the entire intelligence scale.
https://ki.se/en/research/popular-science-and-dialogue/spotlight-on/spotlight-on-healthy-ageing/why-a-higher-iq-means-a-longer-life

>The results indicated that the higher scores of students' emotional intelligence show the better quality of life they will have
https://iem.modares.ac.ir/article-5-10360-en.pdf

>Those with higher IQ scores are likely to have had more success experiences in school, become more motivated to study, develop an achievement orientation, and become optimistic about their chances of doing well, whereas those with low scores may experience just the opposite
https://www.scirp.org/journal/paperinformation?paperid=74943

>Happiness is significantly associated with IQ. Those in the lowest IQ range (70-99) reported the lowest levels of happiness compared with the highest IQ group (120-129). Mediation analysis using the continuous IQ variable found dependency in activities of daily living, income, health and neurotic symptoms were strong mediators of the relationship, as they reduced the association between happiness and IQ by 50%.
> Conclusions: Those with lower IQ are less happy than those with higher IQ. Interventions that target modifiable variables such as income (e.g. through enhancing education and employment opportunities) and neurotic symptoms (e.g. through better detection of mental health problems) may improve levels of happiness in the lower IQ groups.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22998852/

>>81581443 (OP)
how come we are in the same iq bracket 100-110 math is not hard, just literally do it and understand the shit
>I constantly feel like I'm trying to catch up with everyone else in life.
this but due to a maladaptive upbringing and learning no skills, if you compare your life to any normal family you realize how far back you are set, it's gigantic
but yet again you realize most people are literally more retarded than you too which is insane
>What's your insecurity that you carry?
im poor im broke nigga
i dont belong with the poors
retards get jobs fine but its impossible to get a fucking job
the less money i have the worse i feel
money is the only real problem in life holy fuck

>>81581525
>>81581644
To make a long story short, the relationship between intelligence and success, achievement and overall happiness in all areas of life are well documented. The dumber you are, the harder it is to solve your problems. They spiral into larger problems and you become even unhappier. The happier you are, the easier pretty much everything is. Including socializing.
If you're having a hard time in life, statistically speaking it's probably because you're not anywhere near as smart as you think you are. You're struggling because you're stupid. This whole image of the "tortured genius" is a myth perpetuated by movies and tv shows depicting dumb people's idea of what a smart person is.

>>81581652
Also interesting; smarter people tend to be physically healthier as well. It's a combined result of their tendency to succeed in life and gain access to better healthcare while putting themselves in less risky situations.

>>81581617
>if you have a high iq you can literally do ANYTHING YOU WANT to do in life
You learn pretty quick that office politics trumps competence. And from that point on you realize that yet again your intelligence is more of a curse than a blessing.

>>81581589
Research generally indicates the opposite. Those with extremely high IQs tend to be happier, more successful and more stable. This extends across the entire intelligence scale; there's no "happiness ceiling," so to speak.
Geniuses genuinely live life on easy mode.

not a personal insecurity, but if your short and insecure, weaponize it. for example, I'm 5'11, but if I'm near a couple and I'm taller then her boyfriend, I'll find a reason to state my height outlook

but ill lie. I'll say I'm 5'9, even tho I'm 5'11, then make an effort to coincidently walk realy close to them. so the girl will see me, hear me say 5'9, then see me stand next to her bf and tower atleast 3 inches taller.
if it's a tall bf, ill do the same and say 6'1, so their 6'2 looks like a lie.

then I'll make an offhand comment. "yeah it's like guys with dicks. they measure them just as well as their height."

>>81581562
>lead you to overthink and obsess over unnecessary things in life like social interaction
Overthinking and social anxiety are actually signs of lower intelligence, not higher lmao. Smart people don't have trouble thinking. That's what it means to be a smart person.

>>81581679
huh. I've always been led to believe otherwise. any citations?

>>81581688
I posted about in here: >>81581644

>>81581680
*instantly breaks out tape measurer* oh so my boyfriend wasn't lying and you're just stupid, wow my boyfriend is so smart in comparison to stupid idiots like you who don't even know the length of your own skeleton *fucks him savagely right there in public letting out deep gutteral primal moans that you'll never even come close to eliciting from a woman*

>>81581709
*Guttural*

>>81581443 (OP)
>TFW I'm not even 145 IQ
Feels bad man.

Btw, I can teach you how to improve your pattern recognition. It's not even hard, I've studied logic and patterns after doing Picrel IQ test, and it went to 145.
This 138 one was my first test

>>81581443 (OP)
>be me
>did shit on IQ tests as a kid, like 110
>never paid attention in math class
>later wanted to go into finance so I started actually paying attention in math and physics and other stuff
>Now usually score around 130 on raven's matrices tests
IQ isn't some property inside your brain. The more you work on math the better you'll do on Raven's matrices (the test we both took is a Raven's matrices test). The more you work on school overall the better you'll do on the Weschler test (another type of IQ test that incorporates verbal skills).

>>81581589
if you look at the people with the highest recorded iqs they're all either historical figures or lawyers/doctors/scientists with families living in the suburbs of god knows where and they're all doing pretty good

>>81581679
i just saw >>81581644
and none of that disproved what i said
the first 3 are nonsense studies
the first one just lowers your risk of physical disease
the second is some bullshit "emotional intelligence" which has nothing to do with intelligence/iq
the third just says that more intelligent people do better at school wow who knew

the 4th study literally proves my original point that its only true for midwit iq under 130, and that when it goes to unnaturally high iq's like 170 it ends up being bad for the psyche in general

youre a fucking midwit retard

>>81581443 (OP)
>doing an online iq test
>caring about iq
>seeing iq as an absolute truth of ones intelligence instead of what it's intended for
not only do you have a low IQ, you're a dumbass.

height
t.5'5
but yeah i think intelligence is super important and im probably a midwit too
but im definitely way smarter than most people at least

>>81581781
>the first one just lowers your risk of physical disease
It's included because it helps my point that smarter people live better lives in general, spanning pretty much all areas.
>the second is some bullshit "emotional intelligence" which has nothing to do with intelligence/iq
Emotional intelligence is a facet of intelligence and is relevant because of its correlation with general intelligence. Smarter people also tend to be more emotionally intelligent as well.
>the third just says that more intelligent people do better at school wow who knew
Yeah, turns out doing better in school is important for a lot of the stuff that comes after school.
>the 4th study literally proves my original point that its only true for midwit iq under 130,
130 is very literally not midwit.
>and that when it goes to unnaturally high iq's like 170 it ends up being bad for the psyche in general
The study doesn't say that. The conclusion literally says, "Those with lower IQ are less happy than those with higher IQ," for a reason.
>youre a fucking midwit retard
That's an oxymoron. You're just throwing that word around now.

Please stop seething about your IQ, you're embarrassing yourself. The sour grapes act is painful to watch. I don't have that high an IQ and you don't see me bitching about it. Nevertheless, facts are facts, and smarter people do have it easier.

>>81581893
you have no clue what youre talking about fucking monkey
im 167 iq tested irl and i have all types of fucking mental disorders including ocd and high neuroticism, even my own observations show that autists and schizos have higher iqs and that higher iq people tend to die alone with depression, your studies are all junk and i already explained why

>>81581443 (OP)
You can fake inteligence, i'm not the brightest of minds, but i study to pass as one. I can speak elvish, and im studyng german and latin + english isn't my first language, i study piano, i like books, maths, all that things. I actually enjoy it, but it isn't easy for me, im pretty retarded.

>>81581931
>167 IQ tested irl
Proof or gtfo

>>81581443 (OP)
Many.
I hate it. I am constantly ashamed of myself.
Recently, some experiences have given me insecurities I didn't have previously.
I hate everything

>>81581931
>im 167 iq tested irl
1.) You're lying.
2.) I don't care; your personal experience doesn't matter to me.
> and i have all types of fucking mental disorders including ocd and high neuroticism
3.) You're an anomaly.

people seeing behind the mask at how genuinely insane I am and how extreme my intrusive thoughts are. I think I'm way more mentally ill than people have any idea, and it's not just the "normal" stuff either.

My genes are littered with extreme mental illnesses and like 20% of my relatives have been in psych wards. My Mother is literally in one right now.

I feel like in every day tasks, just like going to the shop etc I am barely clinging on to functioning at all. Yet everyone thinks I'm this calm, collected guy because I've trained myself to mask it so well.

>>81581931
oh yeah well MY iq is 167.1 and I disagree with you so you're wrong

>>81581948
how the fuck will i prove something that happened long time ago
>>81581978
>2.) I don't care; your personal experience doesn't matter to me.
i already disproved your pathetic studies, you have no real refutation.
youre a pseudo intellectual
>3.) You're an anomaly.
im not, see history. see most philosophers, i met a girl on discord who was very smart and at top uni, she had all types of mental disorders too.
you have no clue what youre talking about, the mutations of the brain that deal with intelligence can absolutely lead to mental illness. now go find a study about low functioning high iq (above 150)

>>81582009
Provide documentation, if you can't then I don't believe you, simple as, anyway my IQ is 220 so why should I even humor you brainlet, oh btw I took my test a long time ago so teehee I conveniently can't prove it now

>>81582009
Man, you are REALLY insecure about your intelligence huh.

>>81582047
you realize i didnt even bring up my iq in order to "flex" on you right? i brought it up because he said high iq people dont have mental illness (completely false which he btw still has not provided study on it, instead only posting studies on "success" in life which no one even brought up) and i brought myself up as a way to show that its not true, im trying to refute his argument not "flexing" on lower iq people
youre a retard
>>81582068
see above, either learn to read or go fuck yourself
also im not even the op of the thread if thats what youre insinuating

>>81582009
>how the fuck will i prove something that happened long time ago
Ain't you a genius? Figure it out.

The problem with high iq people is that they are extremely stubborn and tend to think in extremes. They are black/white people.
They feel alienated from others, and sometimes they are.
They tend to seek refuge in their intellect and abandon human relations.
Very hard to reason with, given that they are able to rationalize everything, it's hard to change their mind.

Neuroticism isn't a consequence of higher iq. It's just a trait. People with lower IQ can be just as, or even more neurotic as you.

>>81581471
This. I'm well above average, at least 120 IQ, but I'm so anxious and depressed and stressed out all the fucking time that I can never get anything done.

>>81582009
>i already disproved your pathetic studies, you have no real refutation.
You didn't disprove the studies or even attempt to. You objected to their relevance, at which point I explained their relevance and you just kind of ignored that explanation.
>youre a pseudo intellectual
I never even claimed to be an intellectual in the first place. In fact, I explicitly stated that my IQ wasn't all that high earlier. All I'm doing is providing research that contradicts your statements, and your statements are feeble as is.
>>3.) You're an anomaly.
>im not, see history. see most philosophers,
There's no data that suggests most philosophers are pessimistic, unhappy or unsuccessful. Unless you could provide some?
>i met a girl on discord who was very smart and at top uni, she had all types of mental disorders too.
Oh wow, you met a girl on Discord who happened to be both smart and insane. How compelling. You should take this directly to Stanford, I'm sure there are some professors who'd be elated to witness these findings.
Hey, quick question; are you familiar with the concepts of trends and outliers?
>you have no clue what youre talking about, the mutations of the brain that deal with intelligence can absolutely lead to mental illness. now go find a study about low functioning high iq (above 150)
Did you seriously just ask me to provide a study that helps your point instead of just providing it yourself?

>>81582073
>he said high iq people dont have mental illness
That's literally not what I said though. I said, and I quote, "Those with extremely high IQs tend to be happier, more successful and more stable."
Tend to be. Tend to be. Tend to be.
At NO point did I claim those with abnormally high intelligence are impervious to mental illness. I called you an anomaly for this reason.

You do not have the reading comprehension of someone with an IQ of 167.

>>81582079
>The problem with high iq people is that they are extremely stubborn and tend to think in extremes. They are black/white people.
Rigid, categorical thinking is actually a fairly low-IQ trait. Smarter people tend to be more nuanced.

>>81582146
It's a known trait that they are prone extremist thinking. They are open to ideas and new info, but as they develop an understanding of things, they become extremists.
The categorical thinking you are talking about is shallow.
What I'm talking about is a deeper understanding that leads to a sort of "all or nothing" kind of thinking. It is clearly present in literally every famous person with a high iq in history. And I've experienced it personally in my life.
They don't like middle grounds.

>>81582189
That doesn't seem quite right. What historical figures are you referring to, and how were their IQs measured? How do you know the ones with extremist views comprise the majority of people with high IQ? Everything I've seen so far points to black-and-white thinking and extremism as a sign of lower intelligence, not higher.

>>81582237
>historical figures
Sorry, famous people I mean.

>>81582133
yet you RESPONDED to me saying that higher iq people have mental issues here >>81581589
do you not know what high functioning is? do you think i fucking meant holding a fucking job or getting good grades? i meant literal fucking autism
its YOU that doesnt have reading comprehension, im not op i didnt say anything about "success" in life, i specifically said MENTAL ISSUES. maybe you should learn to read
>There's no data that suggests most philosophers are pessimistic, unhappy or unsuccessful. Unless you could provide some?
then why is it that so many high iq philosophers die childless and depressed like nietzsche, stirner, kant etc
you dont know what youre talking about
now fuck off, the reason why i called you a pseudo intellectual is because youre argumentative just for the sake of being argumentative, you have no clue what youre replying to.

>>81582237
It's literally a recognized characteristic of higher intelligence individuals.
I am talking about every philosopher and notable person. But if you don't want to take that as an argument because I can't point how their IQs were measured, whuch is frankly ridiculous, Aristotle and Hegel were both very extreme in their thinking, so was Kant and Marx, and every other thinker, you can take the fact that it js recognized by most psychologists as a common trait.
I am not sure if you are taking this affirmation with the cultural add-on that the word "extremism" has which basically the same as "biggot".
I am not talking about that. But it's true that they aren't big on middle grounds.
>Additionally, gifted individuals often possess a heightened ability to engage with complex ideas and existential questions, which can make them less inclined to accept or settle for middle-ground positions.

If it's any consolation I got a lower score on the MENSA Norway test when I took it about 11 years ago than I got on an irl IQ test, it was 121 iirc correctly which is an oddly common score whereas on the irl test I scored 142, leads me to believe that is isn't as accurate as it's purported to be

>>81582073
You keep quoting this word "flex" that I never used, also you type like an ESL lol it's clear you're lying

>>81582345
There are many things that can affect your results. The number should be interpreted as belonging to a certain range, more than focusing on the details.
Generally, people above 130 have certain characteristics that aren't found in other people as often.
In the same manner, it has been established that, when the difference in IQ points between two individuals is more than 30 points, they run into comunication issues.

>>81582345
I tested with a verbal IQ of over 130, but a processing speed of like 87. Which they said indicated an anxiety problem.
I took another test years later and I got like 120 overall. It varies.

>>81582317
>yet you RESPONDED to me saying that higher iq people have mental issues
You didn't merely state that people with high IQs can have mental illnesses, which is just a pretty tacitly true statement that doesn't offer much room for argument. What you said was that it would be difficult to find "as many" people with >150 IQs who are high functioning, which I doubt is true because, again, there is evidence to the contrary.
>do you not know what high functioning is? do you think i fucking meant holding a fucking job or getting good grades? i meant literal fucking autism
Again, the trend is that the higher your IQ, the higher your level of functioning. Intellectually, that's pretty much what IQ signifies anyway.
>its YOU that doesnt have reading comprehension, im not op i didnt say anything about "success" in life, i specifically said MENTAL ISSUES.
You're creating a pretty meaningless, ill-defined and arbitrary distinction here, and you're doing it really late into the discussion. Success is a relevant metric here because higher instances of mental illness is negatively correlated with it. It's not just a totally irrelevant thing I decided to bring up for no reason.
>maybe you should learn to read
You said this after misinterpreting almost everything I've said to you so far. Lol.
>>There's no data that suggests most philosophers are pessimistic, unhappy or unsuccessful. Unless you could provide some?
>then why is it that so many high iq philosophers die childless and depressed like nietzsche, stirner, kant etc
Thats the thing; we don't know that. That statement isn't proven true. You just keep repeating it like it is.
>you dont know what youre talking about
Then why are you having so much trouble holding up your end of this discussion? Why are you getting so upset?
(Cont)

>>81582317
>>81582381
(Cont)
>now fuck off, the reason why i called you a pseudo intellectual is because youre argumentative just for the sake of being argumentative,
I'm not even being argumentative. I'm just trying to communicate my point to you and for reasons I can't decipher it keeps making you angrier. We're just disagreeing, and I'm doing a better job of supporting my statements with evidence than you are.
Also I'm not seeing how 'being argumentative' is the thing that makes you a pseudo-intellectual.
>you have no clue what youre replying to.
See former. You seem to be struggling more than I am here.

>>81582318
>It's literally a recognized characteristic of higher intelligence individuals.
By whom?
>I am talking about every philosopher and notable person.
Literally every single one? Every single notable person? That's a really vague description. How do you even prove that?
>But if you don't want to take that as an argument because I can't point how their IQs were measured, whuch is frankly ridiculous, Aristotle and Hegel were both very extreme in their thinking, so was Kant and Marx, and every other thinker, you can take the fact that it js recognized by most psychologists as a common trait.
You keep doing this thing where you name a handful of people who fit the description you set and imply that literally everyone else does too, but that doesn't make any sense. Do you have any evidence in support of the claim that literally every single notable person thinks and behaves in the way you just described? Any research that highlights trends or anything of the sort?
>I am not sure if you are taking this affirmation with the cultural add-on that the word "extremism" has which basically the same as "biggot".
I'm not. I know what you mean when you use the word "extremism."
>I am not talking about that. But it's true that they aren't big on middle grounds.
How do we know that?
>>Additionally, gifted individuals often possess a heightened ability to engage with complex ideas and existential questions, which can make them less inclined to accept or settle for middle-ground positions.
Where is this excerpt from, and how does it prove that everyone with a high IQ is prone to extremism?

>>81582429
>Literally every single one? Every single notable person?
>prove that everyone with a high IQ is prone to extremism?
>Do you have any evidence in support of the claim that literally every single notable person thinks and behaves in the way you just described? Any research that highlights trends or anything of the sort?
I don't recall saying that literally every single gifted person is like that. But you just proved my point by interpreting it that way.
I said it's a common trait, whuch is evidenced in most philosophers and famous thinkers. I have only a few examples, however it was only done as a way for you to understand the kind of extremism I am talking about. There are clear patterns in their tendencies to extremes, that can extrapolated to the majority.
>Where is this excerpt from, and how does it prove that everyone with a high IQ is prone to extremism?
That was from AI.
However, this assertion is one I've seen in many places. Including from places that are specifically aimed at supporting gifted people, some youtube channels, articles, etc. I don't have them downloaded so I can't cite them. But I did devote a fair amount of time to researching the topic years ago, and I remember this being a prevalent characteristic.
Alongside with them experiencing more intense emotions which can also then lead them to extemism, alienation, etc. They also exhibit higher sensory sensitivity. Like, their 5 senses are hightened.
All of these are also things that are supported by my personal experience with these individuals.

>>81581443 (OP)
>I struggle with basic math that normie high school girls are able to do
I know some dudes that got into semi prestigious engineering programs that legit did not know how to add fractions into their first semester so being bad at math doesn't really mean shit

>>81582491
>I don't recall saying that literally every single gifted person is like that.
These are your words:

>They are black/white people.
(>>81582079)

>It's a known trait that they are prone extremist thinking.
(>>81582189)

>It is clearly present in literally every famous person with a high iq in history. And I've experienced it personally in my life.
(>>81582189)

>They don't like middle grounds.
(>>81582189)

>It's literally a recognized characteristic of higher intelligence individuals.
(>>81582318)

>I am talking about every philosopher and notable person.
(>>81582318)

You made sweeping generalizations about gifted individuals, claiming that they are, in your words, "prone to extremist thinking," and have not yet supplied any evidence in support of that. In this post >>81582491, you sort of walked it back by saying it's merely a 'common trait' exhibited in most but not all gifted people, but even that is statistically unsubstantiated. I am interested in evidence that surmises gifted people tend to be extremists because all I've seen points to the opposite, that smarter people tend to take more nuanced and rational approaches. Sometimes these may appear radical if they are unconventional to traditional notions, but they are still earnestly rational and balanced. Smart people are better at analyzing certain ideas without the kinds of biased coloring that comes from social conditioning. They're better at isolating ideas, which can make them seem more extreme to the average person but that may not necessarily be the case just because it appears so.
>That was from AI.
Anon...
>However, this assertion is one I've seen in many places. Including from places that are specifically aimed at supporting gifted people, some youtube channels, articles, etc. I don't have them downloaded so I can't cite them.
OK, well I'll try to steelman your argument for you and find evidence in support of this notion for myself but I'm still weary of it.

>>81582345
*correctly is redundant and *it, my b phone posting in bed

>>81581443 (OP)
I am afraid of women, socializing, going out alone, and just existing. Those are my many insecurities.

>>81581443 (OP)
the smarter you are the more work you have to do.
is a dog sad because it cant learn math? no cuz its stupid
now if u have einstein intelligence and u do not use it then u have wasted ur potential so you must work to use what u have been given otherwise u will never be fulfilled and u will have failed at life

>>81581680
you are not cool

They counted mine at 125 and I am a complete retard that is a permaneet

>>81581443 (OP)
you have the same or higher IQ as literally half the planet. If they can make it work so can you. Stop giving yourself excuses by blaming your failures on things you can't change.

I don't even know how to answer this question. I don't feel insecure. You gotta have a self esteem to feel insecure and i have none and i avoid any interactions that might make me flustered so i have buried the self knowledge to answer this question.
>>81581521
>>81581471
It tracks for me. The lowest i ever got on an IQ test was 118, average is 130.

>>81581644
>>81581521
Maybe so but i think high intelligence allows for more complex forms of failure and mental distress. So when it goes wrong it can get more out of hand

>>81583478
>you have the same or higher IQ as literally half the planet
average world IQ is 86 not 100

I hate that I'm such a pushover and really naive as a person. I give people way more chances than I should because I'm terrified of hurting their feelings

>>81583517
[buzzer]

>>81583555
s-so...if I ask you for sex you'll say yes at long as I'm pushy enough about it...?

>>81583735
this is sexual coercion anon.

>>81583735
If you went up to me in real life and were pushy enough then yes, most likely kek

>>81583744
that's not a no...

>>81583774
I see... um, unrelated question, w-where are you currently and how can I get ahold of you?

are we bragging about our autismo levels?

my PP

>>81582371
Now that I think about it when I took the test 11 years ago I was naked in bed post-sex and I hastily took it on my phone while also drunk and high so that may have skewed the result a little, it feels like such a trivial complaint now that I think about it lol, in suboptimal conditions over a decade ago I only scored 121! My life is literally over!!1

>>81581443 (OP)
You're overvaluing the relevance of IQ for leading a happy life.
>t. ~128

>>81581443 (OP)
Oh I did that test a few months ago, I always scored high on IQ tests but now I just rot

>>81581765
hey look we're buddies

>>81581688
What's up with this stupid, "karmic", Egalitarian bullshit about IQ?

>>81584079
>Over 140 iq but rotting
Why don't you just apply yourself towards something?

>>81584079
>>81584269
Why don't you guys just ask your psychiatrists/psychologists for real IQ tests, these ones aren't even approved, the MENSA website even says: "This Mensa IQ Challenge is provided for entertainment purposes only, and your score will not qualify you for Mensa."

>>81585493
What would be the point? I don't even want to join mensa. IQ tests are a scam.

>>81585493
Yeah you can game this one pretty easily, there's a YouTube video that teaches you how to consistently get 145

>>81581443 (OP)
Being an easy target. I have never truly understood why I am so often targeted, but the obvious answer is that I don't stand up for myself enough. But then again, I do stand up for myself, just not in mean-spirited or overly aggressive ways. In theory, that calm and direct boundary setting should be enough, but the problem is that some people are highly aggressive have a mindset where dominating other people is the only way to survive and feel good about yourself. I need to adapt my approach to account for people who will always try to cross boundaries. I don't need to be an aggressive asshole, but I do need to be firm and consistent with people.

>>81585536
>What would be the point? I don't even want to join mensa.
I'm not advocating for anyone joining MENSA (although it can help with people's CV).
>IQ tests are a scam.
This doesn't really mean anything; IQ tests are perfectly serviceable.

what is the average IQ like 56

>>81581443 (OP)
being a boring and uninteresting person that no one wants to associate with.and having an iq lower than 100

if people are ashamed about being average then there's something wrong with that culture/society

If you score below this you should be culled

>>81581443 (OP)
I got 119 when I did this but now I'm too scarred to do it again in case it has gone down

>>81585785
>I'm too scarred
... of an internet "IQ test". -_-

>>81583715
>no argumemt

>>81581443 (OP)
>worry about things you can't control instead of taking stock of things you can, the thread
On average people are average, I don't need a test to know I'm not retarded if retarded people
>can't grasp hypotheticals
>don't know what time is
>struggle with visual imagination or lack one entirely
etc. etc.
If you're not retarded and you're not a genius then it doesn't matter and you can readily assess if you're either through so many completely obvious things.

I hate being fucking ugly.

>>81581443 (OP)
If you're stressing over having average IQ according to online tests, I'm afraid to inform that you're actually way, way dumber lmfao

IQ isn't everything and besides, how about you stop feeling sorry for yourself. You have an average IQ. So what?
It's the fucking average, you're at no disadvantage.

If anything, people with high IQs struggle even more in social settings and school.

Acting as if you'd have a better live if you were higher IQ is an absolute cope, because unless you're mentally retarded - a below average to average IQ isn't impending you from having a normal social life or learning.

Boomers are literally the lowest IQ generation according to endless studies and are also the wealthiest gen.

Your problem is having a shit self esteem and your brain being fried from too much internet. That's why you struggle socially and have difficulties learning.

Instead of doing online IQ tests, drop your phone for a week and start reading and actually listen to people instead of getting all up in your feelings and thinking you're a loser.

>>81581443 (OP)
I have zero redeeming qualities and everybody hates me

>>81581443 (OP)
I don't really feel much.
>Wake up
>Spend day on the internet
>Go to bed
>Start thinking about what a failure I am
>but its ok
>Ill eventually die and it'll all be over
I would feel insecure if my life actually had meaning and i had some control over it

>>81581443 (OP)
i'm poor,lonely and retarded.it's over when you have all those traits together

>>81581443 (OP)

Not stellar performance here, but can confirm picking skills up quickly, although nothing spectacular. People have surpassed me with sheer dedication.

Pretty shitty at surprisingly trivial math, but I do work as a software dev.

I feel like I'm surrounded by people much smarter than me, or that they often have much deeper understanding of things than I do. Potentially a self-esteem issue on some occasions?

I truly hope this is your biggest struggle in life, OP. Consider not having any mental disorders the single biggest fortune in life.

>>81581680
>but ill lie. I'll say I'm 5'9, even tho I'm 5'11, then make an effort to coincidently walk realy close to them. so the girl will see me, hear me say 5'9, then see me stand next to her bf and tower atleast 3 inches taller.
>if it's a tall bf, ill do the same and say 6'1, so their 6'2 looks like a lie.

And then everyone claps the girl gets on her knees and sucks my dick.

>>81586077
You're right, there is no argument for that statement because it's objectively false you fucking moron.

I have an IQ of 179-185 and shit's not sweet on this side of the fence either. It's hard to find ways to not go insane at this level of intellect. I'm stranded by idiots.

>>81581591
>>81581617
if you had higher IQs you'd know there are a lot more factors in life.

>my face is pretty pimple fucked with some scars on it as well
>my voice sounds like I have downs
>my nose is too big

>>81581443 (OP)
My memory or lack of it
my obesity and lack of understanding what others mean
my aspergers too

>>81585764
iq is by definition on a curve centered at 100
if you kill everybody below 145 you'll just move the average
iq isn't an objective measurement like an rpg INT stat. if i'm wrong fee lfree to provide evidence to convince me. but to me it comes down to having to deal with other people being "better" or "worse" than you where you once felt more secure, inside your head. there isn't a threshold at a certain universal level of intelligence that fundamentally alters you. your achievements and thoughts and abilities will always be judged relative to your society/culture, trapping you in a way.

>>81581686
No. Retard.
zz

>>81581443 (OP)
Probably the fact that I am a loser. Like I am a alcoholic wagie who lives in squalor so even when a girl is attracted to me I don't let her into my life because she would be horrified by the nightmare I live in.

Also my skinny dick lol

>>81589855
>no.
>just no.
Covering your ears and going "LALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU" won't erase the truth anon.

>>81581686
anxiety is about emotions, not intelligence
you can't think clearly about what to say to someone if you're put in fight or flight mode the moment you make eye contact

>>81581443 (OP)
>biggest insecurity
probably my intelligence, or to be deemed as stupid
i've relied on my intelligence to be able to do shit or to not have to do shit for the better part of my life
it's not good, i have missed out on so much stuff
im a 135 iq mensa retard with a boatload of other mental fuckups
intelligence is worth nothing if the rest of your mind is a mess

>>81590160
Emotional intelligence is a facet of intelligence. The smarter you are, the better you are at handling and processing your emotions.

>>81581443 (OP)
I got 105 on the Mensa Norway test, but I got 116 on the Mensa Denmark test. Does my IQ lie somewhere between these results, and which one is more accurate. I know it's an online test, so it's not as accurate as an in person test.

>>81590278
sure if you want to make shallow arguments based on vague definitions instead of actually thinking about how emotion and reason interact with each other, how mental/social illnesses affect thinking, and whatnot

>>81590297
mensa denmark test is supposed to trick you into paying for the real test

>>81590314
to clarify, what i mean is that we're wasting our time if it's just gonna be
>intelligence is X
>what about Y
>oh intelligence is actually X and Y
and so on. mindless circular argument that fails to convince anyone or actually elucidate the topic

>>81590325
That makes sense. I'd never pay a dime for an online IQ test though.

my wonky hairline, its fucking annoying because I was literally born with an uneven M as a hairline with two crowns so I just grew it the fuck out. It's not receeding to my knowledge as I've seen photos as me as a child with the same hairline but damn is it not annoying as fuck

>>81581443 (OP)
>I've taken enough legit IQ tests to know
And just how many of these "legit" IQ tests were online? Be honest anon.

If you're really feeling insecure about it, go see a proper psychologist for a real IQ test. The online ones are meaningless.

>>81590314
>>81590362
I mean the correlation between IQ and emotional regulation is pretty well documented. Smarter people typically do have an easier time regulating their emotions.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4664650/

>>81590895
if you have an anxiety disorder you would be disqualified from controlled studies that measure this

>>81590949
There's nothing in this study that stipulates that. Why did you reach that conclusion?

>>81590996
a link is not an argument. i'm not going to waste time parsing psychology jargon about correlations between tests i've never heard of, summarize it itt and explain why it supports your point

>>81591015
>It is well-known that IQ, both fluid and crystallized intelligence is positively associated with some cognitive control processes (Detterman and Daniel, 1989; Duncan, 2000; Klingberg et al., 2005; Checa and Rueda, 2011; Duan and Shi, 2011; Rueda et al., 2012).
[...]
>The relation between IQ and cognitive control abilities could be suggesting that when resolving interference tasks, it is important to combine abstract reasoning (Matrices) and learned knowledge (Vocabulary). The association between IQ and cognitive control processes could be explained by assuming that crystallized intelligence may partially depend on fluid intelligence (Carroll, 1993), that is, a combination of both intelligences is important to resolve interference. However, the relation between impulsivity and IQ are more divergent. While some studies show a negative relation between impulsivity and IQ (Corr and Kumari, 1998; Lozano et al., 2014) others show that impulsivity is relatively independent of IQ (Plomin and Buss, 1973; Messer, 1976; Larsen, 1982).
[...]

>>81591015
>>81591122
>In contrast, there has been less research on the relation between Emotional Intelligence (EI) and performance of cognitive control tasks. EI constitutes another form of intelligence and the most widely applied theoretical models are mixed models and the ability model (Mayer et al., 2008). Mixed models conceptualize EI as a conglomeration of mental abilities and personality traits such as optimism, motivation, and stress tolerance (Mayer et al., 2008; Webb et al., 2013). The ability model, in contrast, defines EI as the integration of several capacities: "the ability to perceive accurately, appraise, and express emotion; the ability to access and/or generate feelings when they facilitate thought; the ability to understand emotion and emotional knowledge; and the ability to regulate emotions to promote emotional and intellectual growth" (Mayer and Salovey, 1997). In this research, we followed the EI ability model.
[...]

>>81591015
>>81591122
>>81591137
>In recent years, there has been increasing interest in studying how these individual differences in EI affect cognitive skills and self-regulation. Emotionally intelligent people may use the capacity to adapt to others' strategy and context in order to attain their goals (Ford and Tamir, 2012). Some research has explored the influence of EI on cognitive processes, such as decision making and problem solving (Day and Carroll, 2004; Jordan and Troth, 2004; Reis et al., 2007; Demaree et al., 2010; Fernandez-Berrocal et al., 2014; Webb et al., 2014). EI enhances the ability to learn and solve problems. People with a higher EI are able to generate a mood that allows them to do better on challenging cognitive tasks. Schutte and colleagues showed that participants with a higher self-reported EI resolved more cognitive tasks and did so better than those with a lower EI (Schutte et al., 2001). Also, the degree to which people focus on their feelings (Salovey et al., 1995), has also been associated with a better performed emotional Stroop task in general (Coffey et al., 2003). Additionally, and consistent with the idea that EI involves both crystallized and fluid components (Webb et al., 2013), the meta-analytic evidence indicates that ability EI using the Mayer-Salovey-Caruso Emotional Intelligent Test (MSCEIT) is positively correlated with verbal intelligence (0.26) and non-verbal intelligence (0.27; Kong, 2014).
The study, in many separate and redundant ways, demonstrates a correlation between IQ and self-regulation. The higher your IQ, the less likely you are to experience emotional dysregulation disorders.
(GAD is one such disorder.)

Here's another study (that you won't read) that corroborates this.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3596813/

>>81581629
>I can't imagine how awful it must feel to be dead average or God forbid below
98th percentile and you don't understand that it's just a quirk that you're suffering from?? you're just neurotic, dumb people are neurotic, smart people are neurotic, has nothing to do with intelligence in most cases

>>81581765
>>did shit on IQ tests as a kid, like 110
that's just average

>>81581443 (OP)
my weight i guess. sometimes my race but i'm practically over it

>>81581465
stop lying. No one envies blacks and their dogshit lives.

>>81581521
Dont bother these retards hate intelegent people and are coping. The smarter you're the better your life is

>>81581948
i can't believe these faggots are getting their pants soiled from randoms online bragging about a score on an inaccurate test, the most pathetic bunch of genetic deadends i have ever had the displeasure of coming across, i hope your misery compounds till you have no way out except for hanging your useless body like cattle and doing the rest of mankind a favor

>>81581525
smarter people also have low divorce rates and stable more functional relationships

>>81581591
>it is your fault or you don't actually have a high IQ
Its mainly this or they have some kind of mental illness.

>>81591149
>The study, in many separate and redundant ways, demonstrates a correlation between IQ and self-regulation
is that the only aspect of emotional intelligence?
>The higher your IQ, the less likely you are to experience emotional dysregulation disorders.
where does it say this?

>>81581617
a midwit can achieved these things how smart do you think the average navy seal, doctor is?
Most doctors are kinda dumb

this thread is 1% actual research that might give some support to blackpill rhetoric and 99% morons making iq out to be some magical power that instantly improves your life in every way
>if you have a high iq you won't struggle at all and your life will be better in every way
>'i have a high iq but i have struggled'
>then you aren't actually high iq
it doesn't take a high iq to conclude these people are insane with their circular arguments and psychobabble eisegesis

>>81591240
>is that the only aspect of emotional intelligence?
No, but it's the only one relevant to this context. As I explained, GAD is one of dysregulation; a problem highly intelligent people are statistically less likely to have.
>where does it say this?
Here:
>It is well-known that IQ, both fluid and crystallized intelligence is positively associated with some cognitive control processes (Detterman and Daniel, 1989; Duncan, 2000; Klingberg et al., 2005; Checa and Rueda, 2011; Duan and Shi, 2011; Rueda et al., 2012).
[...]
>The relation between IQ and cognitive control abilities could be suggesting that when resolving interference tasks, it is important to combine abstract reasoning (Matrices) and learned knowledge (Vocabulary). The association between IQ and cognitive control processes could be explained by assuming that crystallized intelligence may partially depend on fluid intelligence (Carroll, 1993), that is, a combination of both intelligences is important to resolve interference.
[...]
>Some research has explored the influence of EI on cognitive processes, such as decision making and problem solving (Day and Carroll, 2004; Jordan and Troth, 2004; Reis et al., 2007; Demaree et al., 2010; Fernandez-Berrocal et al., 2014; Webb et al., 2014). EI enhances the ability to learn and solve problems. People with a higher EI are able to generate a mood that allows them to do better on challenging cognitive tasks.
It's beginning to feel like you're not actually reading my responses.

>>81591291
your post is 100% you seething and coping about how intelligence is actually totally irrelevant and doesn't matter at all or mean anything and everything is random and nothing matters

>>81591291
>if you have a high iq you won't struggle at all and your life will be better in every way
Nobody said that.
>'i have a high iq but i have struggled'
>then you aren't actually high iq
Nobody said that either.

>>81591256
>how smart do you think the average navy seal, doctor is?
Statistically they're above average.

>>81591306
correlation is not causation. statistics 101
obviously if you manage your emotions and deal with stress better you'll be better at problem solving, because those emotions preclude being able to use the full extent of your cognitive ability. this is still just nitpicking definitions and drawing conclusions that are far more sweeping and general (and suited to your agenda) than even those of the studies themselves

my internet history

>>81591465
>correlation is not causation. statistics 101
I specifically said those with high intelligence are *less likely* to experience emotional dysregulation disorders for this reason. I didn't say it was particularly because of their intelligence; I just pointed out the correlation.
But also, in this specific context, causation is evidenced and explained with data. Correlation doesn't always equal causation, but also it's not impossible to prove causation. So now I am saying it.
Please read the study. The entire thing is available to you for free.
>obviously if you manage your emotions and deal with stress better you'll be better at problem solving, because those emotions preclude being able to use the full extent of your cognitive ability.
And heightened intelligence grants you the better ability to manage those emotions and, ostensibly, solve problems, per the study I linked.
>this is still just nitpicking definitions and drawing conclusions that are far more sweeping and general (and suited to your agenda) than even those of the studies themselves
I'm essentially just reading to you the information that the study relays. There's no arbitrary nitpicking going on here. I'm just sharing to you what the information says.

>>81591552
i read everything you shared with me and i do not think it supports your conclusions
>But also, in this specific context, causation is evidenced and explained with data.
where?
you just copy+pasted sections from the introduction that gives brief summaries of how select research is relevant to the study

>>81591637
>i read everything you shared with me and i do not think it supports your conclusions
My conclusions are literally just the ones outlined in the study. They're the same.
>>But also, in this specific context, causation is evidenced and explained with data.
>where?
The study illustrates under its Pearson correlation table (which cannot be copied and pasted here because of its format) that those with higher intelligence are better at perceiving, facilitating, understanding and managing their emotions as a result of their intellect. These are all skills required for improved emotional regulation. Causation is clearly outlined here.
>you just copy+pasted sections from the introduction that gives brief summaries of how select research is relevant to the study
Because that's what you asked for. I quote the research directly to avoid misinterpretation and negate the claim that I'm somehow distorting its findings. I'm bringing the findings to you directly.

>>81581443 (OP)
My height by far.
I'm not even short but I live in Denmark and hate how tall the average person here is.

>>81591757
shut the fuck up we're arguing about how iq affects your ability to get a boner

>>81591730
this isn't a study that can show causation? not a randomized experiment with variable treatments, just observations from a random sample + statistical analysis. the correlation is notable enough to warrant further study i guess

>>81591441
>Statistically they're above average.
Midwits are above average intellegence.

>>81591860
>this isn't a study that can show causation?
I just explained to you how they were able to identify the very qualities that make highly intelligent people more adept at regulating their emotions. The causation is explained there.
>not a randomized experiment with variable treatments, just observations from a random sample + statistical analysis
Anon, the tests they administered for the study count as experiments.
>the correlation is notable enough to warrant further study i guess
I mean, sure, more research is always warranted but it's unlikely to unearth anything we haven't already discovered here.

>>81591887
Right, just like how room temp actually means boiling.

>>81591923
>Anon, the tests they administered for the study count as experiments.
that's a real stretch unless you know something about the test design/methodology that i don't

>>81591974
>experiment
>a scientific procedure undertaken to make a discovery, test a hypothesis, or demonstrate a known fact
Guess why these tests were administered.

At this point, NOW we're getting into definitional nitpicks, but I'm not the one who initiated this branch of the argument.

>>81591991
causation is shown by a very specific type of experimental design (randomized, controlled experiment with independent variable treatments). again statistics 101. the tests measure, and this experiment proves significant correlation between those measurements. even if those tests were that type of experiment on their own, the design used to compare them is not

>>81592037
You just pulled that out of your ass. The tests administered for this study count as experiments because they are, categorically, scientific procedures that were undertaken to make a discovery, test a hypothesis or demonstrate a known fact, and they do demonstrate the reasons people with higher intelligence are better at regulating their emotions and behavior. The causation is shown there.

my face is covered in pimples and i can feel people staring at them :(

I am usually good at reading people.
But people with high IQs are a complete mystery to me. They are way more logical, and their emotion, although intense, don't cloud their judgment as much. Or at least they don't show them.
They always surprise me in a way I wasn't expecting. I find it hard to predict them.
It's interesting. I usually tend to get along with them, despite being a midwit.

>>81581443 (OP)
>but I've taken enough legit IQ tests to know I'm sitting in the low average to average tier.
102 isn't low average.
It's slightly over the average.
You don't need to bother with it.
Intellect is nothing but a tool.
What matters is the wisdom to use it properly.

As for me, I do not have any insecurity anymore. I don't care about anything anymore.
I just live like a witness to our age, silently without being troubled by the vicissitudes of life.
Too tired to feel insecure, too jaded to care about the perception others have of me.

I have gynecomastia. It caused me to be bullied a lot. My body is literally deformed and I don't have the money to fix it.

>>81592190
that's literally my fetish. post pics.

>>81592202
You're a man though. I'm not gay.

>>81592190
>no puffynips bf
god WHY

>>81592190
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>>81581443 (OP)
dude, who gives a single fuck about your IQ. it means nothing unless you actually put it to use, and people with super high IQs need to get into like weird fields that require PhDs. Is that what you want to do with your life? No? Then you're fuckin fine.

>>81592209
well damn can't you just help a nigga out from the kindness of your heart

>>81581523
easy fix. do interesting shit.

>>81592255
what of the answer is yes

>>81581765
the verbal skills one is bullshit, and im saying that as someone who scored very highly on that and nothing else, as administered by a psychiatrist.
it's just definitions of words and shit, and i knew most of them because i read old-ass books all the time. the only ones i didn't know were specialized technical jargon that you'd only know if you were 1) some snarky supergenius from a really shitty tv show or 2) in that specific field. whoever made that test has a room temp IQ.

>>81592213
Mine are inverted.
>>81592248
No.

>>81592282
then the answer is simple: you work harder than they do and you take what you want in life. Put the effort in, and you will make shit happen. Moreover, people will recognize your accomplishments.
IQ just makes the work easier. It's all doable so long as you're honest with yourself and you're motivated enough.
You may have to be like Fitzcarraldo levels of motivated, but you have one fucking life, faggot.

I've discovered that if you're not willing to burn all you have for your goal, it's not a worthy goal, and you don't have to worry about it. And if you are willing, then it's easy. You just pull a boat over a mountain. That's all.

>>81592329
>Mine are inverted.
My brother in Christ, I will literally pay you money to post those nips

>>81592329
>inverted nipples
please...I beg of you...I'm starving and the only thing that will sustain me is your lactation....

>>81592396
>>81592419
What a bunch of degenerates.
Seriously brothers, please behave yourself.
NTA, just a bystander.

>>81592448
I want milk I want milk I want milk I want milk I want milk I want milk I want milk I want milk I want milk I want milk I want milk I want milk

>>81592483
Sorry, I'll only let my future wife fondle my manboobs.

>>81592500
UnderstandabIe, have a nice day.

>>81592500
>>81592569
Wait what if I troon out and we get married

>>81592579
That wasn't me, but no. I want a biological woman.

>>81592569
Same to you anon!
Hope you'll find the boobs to make you happy.

>>81592579
Sorry pal, no ovary, no ring.
I want to have children of my own, in fact it's even more important than being loved.

>>81581443 (OP)
I hate my small hands because I play piano. Technically, my hands are slightly larger than average, but I'm 6'5", so it doesn't match up and I feel that makes it worse.