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I tried a kratom shot the other day. I don't know why I thought it would be a light, thin liquid with little taste, but it was the exact opposite. I eventually threw it up and wasted an evening waiting out an unpleasant high. Kratom's not my favorite anyway but this stuff was retched.

Thoughts on kratom or 7-OH?

>>81624281
Never tried kratom but it sounds like a shittier opiate that also gives you shittier WD's
why is drugfeel so dead anyways? it's almost a weekend and the previous drugfeel threads died within less than 50 replies.

I'll ask since I'm out of the loop with this stuff, does /drugfeel/ have a discord server or sum?
I'd like to stay in touch with the community in addition to these threads if it's possible.

>>81625145
>/drugfeel/ have a discord server or sum?
>discord
>server
you're def 10 years old.
kill yourself son.

>lsd tolerance
>need to wait for months to get the same experience again
fek

>>81625600
I heard of one so that's why I'm asking, if I didn't I wouldn't ask y'know?

Hi I'm on Kratom

>>81623813 (OP)
Why the fuck are drugs illegal? If you know the way around the system, and have some money, you can literally go to a psychiatrist, feed her a sob story (though Im sure they know whats up), and they will fill out a questionnaire diagnosing with whatever shit they want and get prescribed the craziest shit.
You can get legal test, weed, amphetamines, xanax, fent, I think even LSD (if you sign up at an uni clinic and prove you have treatment resistant depression, which again is just legwork, time and money)

The system is literally turbo-fucked.

If I did any of that shit in my cunt without going through these motions, I could get signed up for prison rape for half a decade.

The doctors even warn you not to travel with this shit, as you can get arrested in foreign countries if you don't have the papers.

I've occasionally seen here eurospeed/adderall/vynese main anons asking offhand what meth is like. After recently seeing,UK sent,meth spring up a bit more you know where, and considering the cope on stim boards.... I decided 15 mins ago to PULL THE TRIGGER and ejaculate a haphazard text wall on such pressing issue. Obv this is my own feeble low caste opinion, so don't get rustled psychonauts
To Anons who give not one single fuck: please ignore every word I type
BTW this is mainly geared toward UK eurospeed/racemic amp partakers but can apply to amp users generally too.

So... meth indeed does have a similar sort of feels to amphetamine. Slightly more euphoric even with oral/snort dosing only..
It lasts about twice as long... partly due to amp metabolite, partly the main drug.
Don't inject meth btw, and ideally don't smoke it or do "hotrails" either. Stick to oral, sublingual and snorting (which can sting). Don't start on 150mg phat lines- including purity and drug potency, meth is likely to be 3-6 times stronger than your usual
Bongland amp powder. Do an inch long line max at first.

Anyway, after your line of meth you might quickly notice that in comparison to amp it is less "physical", less shakey/heart racy kinda (due to lower nor epinephrine release). Especially vs racemic amp.
You might feel.... well pretty dang well ok. You might even think meth is ever so slightly underwhelming in a lower dose... one almost might feel soberish. But make no mistake anon, you're not sober.... and are more high looking than you think buster. After multiple big ol selfish lines of this shit, you'll be off your tits before you know it. Meth is less functional/more recreational than the classic european paste.

cont....>_>

>>81626330

Moving on, I'm sure many know of the ignoble feel that is getting "stuck" in pointless thought loops or repetitive activity on rec doses of amphetamine. This is more likely to happen on meth. On meth I once spent 4 hours pacing back and forth in the kitchen.... twice I spent an evening carpet surfing while half naked. Never done that on amp despite having much more amp experience.. Easy to get dehydrated too. Meth is more physically taxing than amp-you might feel good while at the same time feel like shit and worn down. Meth is known to have generally more neurotoxic potential. It is a very powerful drug, fully deserves its rep imo.. Being flippant about bingeing meth with wild abandon is not ideal 2bh. It shares with heroin a sort of insidious nature too.

Honestly, you're be better off in many ways just sticking to yurospeed/addy particularly if productivity is important.
But if you must start meddling with meff, perhaps treat it akin to MDMA.... e.g. only do it once every 1-3 months. Don't order more than a gram at a time.

...N-no worries.

just lol@the word count of this bullshit I ended up with(again), fuck my life.
maybe I should paste this into word
2bh

>>81626260
Ah and one more thing, tons of policemen (not the traffic cops, but unironically ppl in drug enforcement, and detectives) are monstrous fuckign roid freaks. Talk about hypocrisy.

>>81623813 (OP)
I had 3 seizures on bupropion. I had to suspend its use. I think I only used this medicine for 1 week.
During my last seizure I was on the street and fell to the ground, some kind people attended to me and called an ambulance.

>>81624281
>kratom shot
Didn't know extracts were made in that form factor. Neat.
>wretched
Normal kratom tastes absolutely awful. The only pleasant taste I've had was with adultered 7-OH extracts in pill form.
>>81626230
hellooOOOO.
>>81626260
Cultural views shape normalfags in crazy ways. It reminds me of realizing how people can't/won't directly talk about certain things because it's "weird" to do so. The insistence on using indirect communication is one such example but it conceptually carries over into how people are detached from reality (such as their views on drugs or temptation) just because of "vibes."

>>81626260
>Why the fuck are drugs illegal?
Two reasons.
Reason no.1 is that some drugs have a genuine potential for abuse, and the short-term effects of that abuse are way too terrible, obviously you and I can use drugs in moderation but normalfags are retarded low-inhib monkeys that can't control their impulses, so it's because of them that certain substances are banned
Reason no.2 is that some drugs actually work for depression, so in order to keep SSRI's sold and in production, certain substances are still illegal
psychedelics for example work too good for depression (can help you figure out the source of depression via introspection) and if the source is something like your job exploiting you... well that doesn't help the magic number go up every year does it?

>>81626260
you sound like a canny motherfucker anon, but I'd like to see you smooth talk your way into a party sized fent stash without both your legs being in wet plaster or you just walked in after face planting a car bonnet. I'm interested in the sob story for LSD. Imagine being part MKUltrea, lucky bastards....
... Actually you could easily get any of these back when ORegan vanquished the war on the drugs and errything was allowed and some even got drug-bux to get tha drugs (no money)

If you wanted "legal" drugs you shoulda gone there 2bh. There, you could blow sick clouds of crystal in the library, shoot up in front of the greengrocers and if you're lucky be given a mouthy stipend to avoid the hassle of having mug people or rob Subway to pay for the pleasure.

But you missed the boat. After drug use, and overdoses, crime, went UP like KER-AZY the patience of even bleeding heart lefties went DOWN.... and so it's banned again. You could prolly still saturate your mortal vessel with a long infusion of the Big F at a needle place or indoors and get not bovver for it. Just not at the school playground please.

>>81626925
Is it normal not to feel anything after you stock up on Kratom?
It's my first time, did 6g felt great.
After it wore off I took the same dose.

>>81627012
>I'm interested in the sob story for LSD.
It's a bit of an one off, not really a sob story. I told you it's an experimental treatment run by an university hospital in my cunt for treatment resistant depression.
You have to go to a psychiatrist saying you have depression, and keep going and telling them the SSRI's don't work.
After that you get a slip of paper, and you're eligible to sign up. There's a waitlist and you might not get in, but it's free but you can literally get LSD prescribed, though you have to report in with a strict schedule otherwise you get kicked out.

>>81627113
Yep pretty normal and tolerance increases fast, and over ~20 grams makes it even more wot was that. Kratom is quite unpredictable too. You might catch some opi warmth from a red one day and then not again for weeks or months
.
I would advise if poss to not get hooked on the green miracle sludge powder. It does indeed have withdrawals and the more of the grounded up wonder herb you take and the longer you take it the more like classic opiate withdrawals they resemble (might even be more protracted too).
Hard to say exact because the plant has at least 20 alkaloids in differing amounts with different half-lives. But v. roughly under 15 grams for <3 years is mild*ish*. But over 30-40 grams for m-m-many years is very similar to classic opi w/ds with perhaps less nausea and physical pain but the same if not more inner restlessness that makes opioid wd complete bullshit. Bad paws too.
If you can't take breaks here, there, and shovel down that precious brown roughage daily... then maybe ideally try to take about or fewer 12 or grams ed. Ideally less than 7-8 grams. Easily said than done. I done goofed and got myself habituated to this panacea of plants from the jimormous jungles of Borneo too. ttrying to taper tho.

>>81627430
I ordered a batch of Red Thai and Green.
How long you reckon do T-breaks last?
The batch I took before just affecting me physically, as in tipsy walking and relaxed demeanor.
Much different to before but I don't mind.

>>81626260
I blame Lincoln. If he hadn't unilaterally ended slavery, we could have slowly reworked our society instead of replacing slaves with convicts

>>81627113
>after it wore off I took the same dose.
Redosed on the same day? Yeah I'd expect it to be diminished. As with all drugs your body gets used to a dose and doesn't react the same immediately. Dose once a week and you'll maintain a fairly low tolerance, or try biweekly and you'll have close to zero tolerance (this generally applies to most substances fwiw).

>>81627474
What if I take different strains interchangeably?
Same shit?

>>81627113
Kratom has ceiling effect where adding more won't get you any higher. AFAIK the amount of leaf you can digest is the main limiter, but if you're taking pure 7-OH you can completely saturate your receptors. Anyway try to keep your tolerance down so you don't have to T-break or taper as often to keep feeling its effects

>>81626925
Yeah I tried drinking leaf once and threw up from that too lol. Maybe I was imagining an extract with just mitragynine. Really wish there was more research around this plant, feels like it appeared out of nowhere

>>81626260
Drugs lead to criminality.

>>81626590
I'm extremely afraid of seizures
Weed leads to a lot of bad things but not seizures. fuck that I need heart medication

>>81627453
>How long you reckon do T-breaks last?
Att min really,.don't take everyday in order to minimize dependence. But ideally 1-3 times a week for tolerance etc. It's best not make any recreational drug a big ass habit on purpose, instead have them to rather to be an enhancement to....to... you know... the thang.

Like the other anon quite rightly said most drugs has a short term adaption like this... but kratom especially so .If one took 6 grams, and one caught a bit of that opiate feel it doesn't mean 8 or 12 grams next will necessarily do the same. In fact sometimes lower does help. Less is more with feasting on this heart-warmingly humble herb . Also contents vary not only from brand to brand but batch to batch possibly up to an order of magnitude.

I got a decent feel last week on some average dose but no luck subsequent attempts to get it again.... it was gone, dissolved into the ether.
BTW you prob know but don't start on them extracts or that 70H to get high. If you're guzzling down these shots by the dozen such that kratom, powder is weak sauce, you may as well think about something like tramadol instead. Don't recommend either 2bqh.

Kratom does have a few pros tho. Like the main psychoactive akaloids probably are partial agonists on u-upoid reptor... so hopping from shoveling pounds of wet plant ,matter a week to e.g. suboxone will have less of a risk to trigger the nightmare of precipitated withdrawal. Don't take my word as gospel tho!

>>81627750
The type of person to break social convention and be more impulsive is more likely to be committing crime (by virtue of their antisocial tendencies and willingness to give in to temptation). This then correlates with most drug use because they are outside of social convention and are extremely tempting. Im only being mentioning this cuz of the phrase "lead to," correlation is not causation, etc.

Testing how much oxycodone one needs to completely shut off pain receptors.

>>81626330
From what I know, all but the shittiest meth is dextromethamphetamine, the right-hand isomer which has fewer side effects than levo (left-hand) or racemic (equal parts left and right). The isomers of amphetamine have analogous effects, although they're very rare. Dextroamphetamine is the majority of what's in Adderall, but it can be prescribed in pure form too. Haven't tried meth yet, but the way you describe it sounds just like dexamp: super clean, almost sober, very functional.

If you ever want to experience all the side effects of meth, go to your local pharmacy, look for an inhaler with levmetamfetamine in it, and eat the cotton swab inside. Vicks doesn't sell them anymore, but they actually work great as a decongestant.

>>81626361
There is an amount of meth you can do that isn't neurotoxic. The post I always cite says it can actually be beneficial if you don't exceed 60mg a week and 25mg per day. But that requires a huge amount of discipline, so I agree essentially everyone is better off using speed.

>>81627975
Do you have any spicy food? I've always wanted to run that experiment

>>81628112
Not really but I do have a sore throat that hurts a lot and is persisting with the pain despite my usual dose of oxy so I doubled that bitch.

Is Abacus down?

>>81628100
>From what I know, all but the shittiest meth is dextromethamphetamine
Yup dextro meth is the only enantiomer which has any psychoactive effect. Levo meth is the one sold in some (old)inhalers. It's psychoactive/CNS effect is basically nil altho it does have some peripheral action.

So with racemic meth only half of it is the party (dextro) and with higher amounts of dextro the more party it is, like.
If you look up "racemic resoltion recycling" you'll see that BMK can now be used cost effectively to enhance dextrometh/levometh ratios. This is much more suitable for large production than the Ephedrine method which gives optically pure products compared to racemic until purierdBMK.
But they don't have to throw away half the product (levometh) because it can recycled via above black magic. Hence meth in uk seems to be stronger in potency, purity, and the fact that it might not be racemic but higher% dextro.
Phew....
Incidentally and interestingly (not really), altho dextroAMP has stronger CNS/psychoactive action than levoamp, levoamp does have SOME effects. More than levo meth actually..

>There is an amount of meth you can do that isn't neurotoxic.
Sure, but according the toxicology rule of thumb everything and nothing can be can qualify for this criteria, not just meth . Botox is one of the most toxic substances known, active in nanograms. But not toxic to help oldcels cope with their facelift. Water is toxic if you gobble down gallons of it like a man possessed.

Also just because one paper says "up to 30mg" can be indicated for 4th line treatment resistant severe obesity doesn't mean "30mg taken to chill erryday" is safe.
But I agree with gist of your message anon, and 100% of meth guys who talk about this low dose isnt b d are on 100mg at least per day. It's silly really. Eurospeed guys don't (or don't as much) steer convos to medicine i.e. adderall to defend their huge amphetamine intake
.

>>81626361
stimpost anon here, imma just list a few more "tidbits" or "factoids" that I was embarrassed to include and lengthen the wallotext. But now I just have no shame

>Meth has a higher dose ceiling vs amp.
That wired feeling you get on day2/3 on amp where you're not really getting the same feels.... meth has that bur you take higher does and still get high. This obv adds to side effects etc

Meth is supposed to be more of psychosis trigger roughly on average

>As a clarification: the dextrometh has lower nor-epherpehine action than even dextroamp. So you'll have fewer physical sides than you are used to gauge how high you are
Burt into a binge, meth starts feeling pretty taxing esp if you're not hydrating properly. More so than amp. Im amazed that the body can adapt to some of the daily meff usage ive heard.


>If you like amp you will likely enjoy meth. But even if you think it's not that big of a deal, meth objectively releases more dopamine in the reward pathway so you'll likely still be drawn to it.
In fact, if you take it enough, you'll likely begin to pine for it sometimes over your trusty amphetamine. You might make justifications to get meth over amp

As highlighted , meth is a more serious drug on the whole than amphetamine. Amphetamine is relatively gentler and more conductive to not fucking up your life - or at least not as quickly.
But amphetamine can have severe effects too, as well risk of indirect neurotoxcity. No doubt. Its dopamine release is still high.
Altering dopaminergic signalling is the hallmark of pretty much every addictive drug. That's why MDMA despite being more euphoric to many than amp, it is not as addictive as amp ("wanting"). MDMA has a comparatively smaller dopamine release with its signature effect being the massive serotonin release ("liking") .

>>81628346
Yup you know more than me lol recycling levometh is basically just redoing the synthesis. Didn't know levoamp was stronger than levometh, that's interesting. AFAIK only the shittiest cartel meth is racemic because of the recycling you mention.

>Also just because one paper says "up to 30mg" can be indicated for 4th line treatment resistant severe obesity doesn't mean "30mg taken to chill erryday" is safe.
Yeah I didn't mean to imply it can be taken every day, I meant you shouldn't exceed 25mg on any given day. Apparently neurotoxicity starts around 200mg/mL blood concentration, so that's what you really want to avoid. If an average adult male takes 60mg of meth orally, he reaches 175mg/mL. But he could exceed that and cause some real damage with smaller doses taken every day. But again I'm just citing some guy's post so take it with a grain of salt.

>100% of meth guys who talk about this low dose isnt b d are on 100mg at least per day
Yeah anyone who points to prescriptions should know Adderall can be neurotoxic too, but an addict's not gonna listen

>>81628732
I recently found out deltaFosB is the cause of all addiction, even to things like eating. I don't think we can do anything about it yet, but it's an interesting tidbit.

What do you know about pyros?

>>81628830
>recycling levometh is basically just redoing the synthesis
I *think* what they used to do with the racemic product based on muh google searching is use BMK method (racemic) as it more describable. I guess product is either sold "as is" or they use tarteric acid to optically separate meth via fractional crystallization . Then they simply have no use for the levoamp other than filler..
However now they can recycle levo by waving a magic wand back to racemic form. This can be repeated and in this way they can produce cuts high % (not optically pure) dextrometh
Here's the thing I was trying to find.There's a pic near the bottom. Seems legit.

https://www.euda.europa.eu/publications/eu-drug-markets/methamphetamine/main-production-methods-europe_en

>>81628830
>>81629337
>I recently found out deltaFosB is the cause of all addiction, even to things like eating. I don't think we can do anything about it yet, but it's an interesting tidbit.
Yeh this is a transcription factor that is shown to be very interlinked with "addiction" and might b sufficient for it. Good tidbit anon 2bh. I am literally a dilettante and keen bro science dabbler, and prolly have at best a a simplistic gist of the processes .
But yeah dopamine is still the major neurotransmitter controlling reward or motivational salience (altho prob others have some effects), this deltafosb protein can sensitize dopamine neurons and change how strongly they respond.

When deltafosb is expressed in dopamine producing neurons in limbic system it affects and is affected by other genes and environment factors. For example, it can induce a greater sensitivity to elevated dopamine signalling after a reward, and then more signalling might happen, more expression etc,It's like a throttle or even a lack of brakes that has a feedback loop. There's an opposite but similar protein apparently that is thought to act oppose deltafosB to maybe "put the brakes on".

Fine as caveman, as increased sensitivity to a recent reward (until the protein is degraded) wouldn't be too bad. It also is thought to play other benign functions..
"Hard drugs" is not precise term.... on reddit it often means "drug I don't like (i.e. alcohol)" but it used sorta mean drugs that produce the a high dopamine response. These drugs hijack the reward and spikes dopamine signalling to artificial sky high levels. So the delta fob is malfunctioning as such by getting more expressed, sensitizing dopamine response, more expressed etc in a vicious loop.

>>81629337
>BMK method (racemic) as it more describable.
*scaleable

pregabalin is nice slept for 12 hours from a weeks tramadol binge developed a tolerance so fast i was on 500mg the last dose barely felt anything i should reset it with memantine

>>81629337
Yeah that's what I meant. That link mentions racemisation which is the magic you speak of. Crazy that enantiopure solvents like tartaric acid are just available for anyone to buy.

>>81629467
Wow you've read way more than me. I hope deltaFosB research can bring us a cure for addiction, kinda like the sinclair method for alcoholism. Stuff like this makes me want to go to college and become a researcher, I miss organized learning

>"Hard drugs" is not precise term.... on reddit it often means "drug I don't like (i.e. alcohol)" but it used sorta mean drugs that produce the a high dopamine response
I like that, I'm gonna use that whenever someone calls acid a hard drug. Still not perfect, but better to actually give it a definition than handwaving some drugs as hard and others as... normal?

>>81626590
How does Bupropion lower seizure threshold when it's mechanims of action is similar to Methylphendiate.

Ritalin with Nicotine pouch is so blessing.

i listened to this when i was 13
tripping balls on a weed called Mullumbimby Madness
my mate had a garbage bag full of it
never forgotten it
my fantasy world you could say
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkk1ohg99FY&list=RDwkk1ohg99FY&start_radio=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhguuOTjHp4&list=RDhhguuOTjHp4&start_radio=1&pp=ygUMdGhlIHJlZCB3ZWVkoAcB

I fucking love lyrica, I feel so good right now man, I feel insane but in a good way, why is this shit so weird, it actually helps with my anxiety or something, that's why I feel euphoric instead of sedated hahh.

>>81630865
Bupropion is also a norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor. So are tramadol, tapentadol, and all the other drugs I can find that lower the seizure threshold, so that's probably why

>>81631389
How does ritalin compare to adderall or coke?

>>81630879
How does ritalin compare to coke or adderall?

>>81631411
I haven't tried both. Adderall's duration of action is longer than Ritalin (IR). Also, Ritalin doesn't have that euphoric effect you get from Adderall.

>>81631447
I ask about coke because they have the same mechanism of action. Have you tried ritalin with alcohol? Apparently when alcohol is in the system, ritalin metabolizes into ethylphenidate and becomes 40% stronger, also similar to coke.

Also what happens when you take a lot? I know someone who got addicted to snorting it

>>81631513
I've had coke and was on ritalin and they are basically two separate drugs. Ritalin produces zero euphoria for me no matter how much I use or if I snort it. Wouldn't really call it a recreational drug imo. Coke on the other hand is crazy euphoric

How do you deal with weed withdrawals? I smoked ~1g daily for 3 months and get really bad panic attacks because I severely overthink palpations and/or any kind of feeling in my chest (such as muscle tensions) thinking it might be something with my heart (which it almost certainly isn't)

Got hooked on tramadol, got a few pills left but even a day without it is a struggle. Stuff suddenly disappeared from all shops I know though, gonna have to suffer for a while. Even 2 days without it feel like shit lately. Not like I didn't constantly feel like shit before I started taking it though, at least it brought some sort of relief.

>>81627750
>Drugs lead to criminality.
That's because they are illegal, retard.

>>81632362
It goes away after 4 weeks, just sit it out

how much influence do the weed companies in the us states d?
I know r/trees core potheads believe every word those guys say, in the weed magazines (unless it's not pro-weed).
I'm not rustled really, just wonder how they managed it.

I was reading Cali passed a law saying you can't be tested for weed in the workplace, was it lobbying? Does this mean if some crane operator drops a 2 ton block on a leg and he's glassy eyed, they can breathalyze him for muh alcohol, test for other drugs, but not for weed? Or is that wrong.
The US media still fawns over weed (slight pushback). They think they're being contrarian for some odd reason. Fine, but they also put these deboonkings out like "weed doesn't akshaiully affect cognitive function", the usual boring rants above booze even weed is legal or de facto legal, downplaying the driving thing. And medical weed doesn't actually have any good evidence other than being a bit fucked helps. Does any other recreational drug have that status?
For 30+ years the potheads bewailed just not wanting to be criminal. To just be like drinkers. Muh bodeh muh choice. That's all. I mean those guys are going to wake and baked legal or not but n/m

But the moment weed became legal, I've seen now potheads on reddit want special exemptions Like no breathalyzer. Some obv dream of being able to ban muh alcohol. IF you have no principals then I guess try. Won't happen I don't think.

>>81632738
Potheads there tout the usual logical fallacies and they clearly don't want any test. "Leave us alone. Test for alcohol, that kills more.". In other words don't test us or we might have to join evil booze. For years the cry of faux outrage about drunk drivers kill millions. Now weed is popular and growing, they don't want that. I know the SHEER TERROR of being sober for a 4-6 hour window is worrying and also they dont wanna do it. BTW most stoners arent like that,most tokers drink too. I have a toke sometimes altho weed isnt my fav. Enjoy yourself have a smoke.

Drinkers, skagheads, bartards and others arent asking collectively to have special rights. Some of them do drug.drink drive but upvto 80% of potheads according to one source drive in varying levels of stoned and have no desire to stop. This may be wrong %.
Car crashes rose, people can see and smell ppl who are half cut sometimes. If potheads are willing to risk their livelihood and possibly jail because being is #1 priority than it will have some cases liek this. Paramedic said that on site many cars stink of weed. The weed lobbying are working on Colorado who are making a thc breathalyzer. But local politicians there are looking the other way. They need to make the test (i now it's harder for weed). You cant just have ur own way all the time and in every circumstance. You have to be more like other druggos.

>>81632524
Well most lets. face it,. most. dont to jail for first timer possession only in most. states. Maybe in Philippines or middle Eastern Countries. They have low levels of alcohol use because of prohibition, and a less cultural weight.
In Portland crime rose a fair bit after than did super lax decriminalizing. Legalization would result in very similar stuff stores being robbed. dfor vials of fent. "The didnt legalize it. is. the. issue", that's quite a. stretch. really.

The heath burden went up too. And you have these alarming addicts bent over like pretzels a lot who have no desire to stop because of free munny, free drugs. free .healthcare, free housing (if they could be sober)... they recriminalized it.
So if legalizing drugs will result in more crime and more drug using ppl to jail for. direct. or. indirect. reasons. Some just go. revolving. door. and. get. let. of. jail. every. day.
You might think all this is worth it because of a libertarian view. That's fine, altho most ppl wont support it.
But why pretend previously about crime or drug use decreasing (not saying you anon). I read multiple rimes decriminalizing all that shit won't result in higher use (so addictive drug are apparently from other non-addictive goods). I. wouldn't. try. heroin. It's a myth sweeties <insert vague Portugal references

After yesterday's Kratom tryout, I woke up with an intense headache and can barely walk.

Headache is probably from being awoken by loud noises so I don't blame Kratom on it.

How long should I wait to take it again?

>>81628203
no? seems to work for me

>>81630865
doesn't methylphenidate lower seizure threshold too?

anyway holy fuck i want heroin so fucking badly, i've been staring at listings for heroin drooling like a maniac for an hour now, just browsing but too broke to buy shit THIS SUCKS

>>81633587
I asked ChatGPT, and apparently it's due to their metabolite and structural difference. MPH rarely causes seizures.

>>81631389
I don't take opioids, but don't they give you constipation? How do you avoid that?

>>81633650
nta but never felt like an issue to me. actually, for some reason tramadol onset consistently makes me want to shit. and while on it I just don't think about shitting much.
I mean you're gonna shit either way when the effect stops. It's probably only an issue if you are constantly non-stop under the influence of heavy opioids like h. which I doubt is the case for people here

i had to drop weed because I started going schizo from it and now I can't destress anymore

>benzos
just make me feel retard
>opiates
don't feel euphoria from them
>psyches
can be interesting but also exhausting so I don't really do them to relax or have fun
>stims
not helpful for relaxing

padayundfpadafyuhdfpauddfpaunfpafayunftaftwa
fuck my life

We won't be coming back from tonight

>>81634326
Take some break from drugs.

>>81634326
Take pregabalin, NOW!!!!1!

>>81634406
I tried pregab a few times but compared to ghb its like codeine vs heroin. Ass drug

>>81634326
>don't feel euphoria from them
What did you take? honestly when I first tried it I just felt asleep and didn't really understand it, but after 2-3 times it became really pleasurable.
Won't recommend it though. It's a struggle to justify to yourself to not take it once you get a feel for it.

>>81634350
What are the white pills?

>>81634480
Xanax, useful for when things get too intense

>>81634487
what dose? I'm guessing 0,5 mg

>>81634652
1mg each, theyre pressed so it could be whatever

>>81633633
nice to see a fellow LLM hallucinator in the thread
rise up LLM chads

>>81634754
tfw drug and imageslop addict

>>81625145
Yes we do it's the reason these Threads have slowed down so much.
Note: Almost everyone there is either Bi, into opiates or both so if that's not your vibe you'll probably hate it.

>>81634820
not OP but I'm bi AND into opiates, can I get an inv?

>>81634820
>Yes we do it's the reason these Threads have slowed down so much.
It's depressing to witness this happen on half of 4chan threads I know. Maybe I should just stop worrying and join a discord I guess.
Worst part is that with drugfeel there's no fucking reason to make a discord (if you're not joking about it existing). Thread wasn't plagued by some schizos or rabid shitposters to really justify it. 4chan seems like a reasonable place to discuss drugs

How much would you pay for 1, 15mg IR Adderall pill?

(I dont care about your amph paste you Euronigger. Im trying to sell what I have you stupid monkey)

>mom got Trams
Not gonna steal them because I'm not a nigger but JFC.

>>81634932
If you have genuine addy you're asking the wrong thread cause it's arguably priced more like a collector's item at this point because China is clamping down on a key precursor and the US doesn't have enough to supply demand.

>>81633036
At least a few days to avoid addiction, but a full week would be best for full effects (as with most substances).

>>81635075
Tumbling down, tumbling down...

>>81634820
I used to be bi and into opis, does the "used to" bit count as a half-point?

>>81635075
Thats why Im hoarding it now lol. My area was was never short of supply until recently, so I feel like theyre cracking down.

>>81635105
Friend coming over in two days, will stop until then.
Does tolerance build up THIS fast?

>>81634820
Drop it

>>81633650
Yeah like the other anon mentioned it doesn't really become an issue unless you're constantly high. It's interesting trying to pee on opioids though, it's like the muscles and reflexes just aren't responding.

I recently started with speed (amphetamine) and now I'm wondering about meth. should I make the switch?

I recently took 360mg of codeine. I just felt a little sleepy and a little itchy. I didn't feel anything other than that.

Why the fuck won't my body just let go of the fact I smoked weed a few days in a row?
Holy shit, stop making my throat swell up and hurt because if you don't stop I'll keep nuking you with oxycodone until you shut the fuck up and let me be alive without pain.

are you guys still addicted to funny analogue drugs

I just tried 7oh for the first time. God this shit sucks. It feels good for like an hour then comes the worst hangover feeling until I wake up the next morning. Should I be taking this with food or just give up on this stuff?

>>81635396
A few days will be alright, but after that it'd be good to give it a week.
>THIS fast
Not necessarily but if you find yourself going 2-3 days straight then you'll find yourself tempted to keep going but you'll have tolerances creeping up on you. It's more so about responsibility and safety.

Are cross-tolerances a meme? I'm not sure if I can take dxm and actually feel it after a k-hole

>>81634432
600mg with no tolerance 2 hours before midnight and you're going to have a fun time, it's a weird feeling but it's good, I'm gonna do that shit tonight matter of fact, even tho last night I took 300mg