I'm still learning about narcissism, but I'm from a poor family, and it clearly runs in the family. The worst narcissist I know is my uncle, and he's a poor, drug-addicted loser with nothing to show off. He's even talked about his own balding like it's no big deal. He can lecture you for hours, demand excessive apologizing, including for past events going back many years that you already apologized for, insult you for all your flaws, demand excessive pity whenever something wrong is going on in his life, and demand praise whenever he does a favor. He is low empathy and can really antagonize you. I avoid talking to him and dealing with him as much as possible. The longer you talk to him, the more likely he is to begin his narcissistic bullshit.

The stereotype and even the type of narcissist most people talk about is the grandiose narcissist. This is the annoying trust fund kid with an inflated ego. They say that excessive praise growing up can create a narcissist, when I'm certain there are tons of people who grew up in antisocial trailer park environments who ended up being narcissists. I also believe there is a genetic component to narcissism, since it runs on one side of my family.

>>81890432 (OP)
I have been there. The best thing you can do is give them 0 of your mind, and when you can, completely cut them off like a stranger on the other side of the world. Hopefully you don't live with him. Begin the complete estrangement this moment. I hope the short length of my message does not contribute to you ignoring it; this is the best advice you can follow regarding a narcissist that you do not truly have to deal with.

Begin the complete estrangement IMMEDIATELY.

>>81890747
>Begin the complete estrangement IMMEDIATELY.
Don't worry. I only ever communicate with him whenever my dad is doing something with him or expecting some sort of favor with him, which rarely ever happens, but it still does. (My dad is actually my biological uncle's biological father. I was adopted.) My dad occasionally talks with him on the phone. I would prefer for him to not talk to him at all, but he still does. It's usually my narcissistic uncle who calls him, though. I don't believe they spend that much time talking.

I'm pretty sure my abusive (not to a crazy extent, but still nasty) grandma, who is my uncle's biological mother, is also a narcissist, but she seems like a low-grade narcissist. She always told me that nothing is mine and that I have no right to privacy and would keep me awake till midnight with her TV. She would repeatedly insult me, calling me stupid and a fat pig. She never believed she did anything wrong and would never apologize. She would use me to show off to her friends and always take photos with a film camera and force us to smile. She would often rage, hit my father, and there was yelling in the household every day. Funnily enough, I still find my uncle to be way creepier than my grandma. My uncle is likely a mid-grade narcissist. I recall my grandma hitting me a few times when I was little, like before I turned 11, but she would beat my uncle in the bath tub with a tennis racket. My mom, my uncle's half-sister (different father who died before I was born), would chase around my uncle with a knife. I didn't grow up around my mom.

Bump for mental health thread. I also suspect I might have a minor form of vulnerable narcissism.

>>81890865
You have read 100 years of solitude.

>go to therapy
>YOU HAVE COVERT NPD

>go to another shrink
>YOU HAVE QUIET BPD

>go to the next
>YOU ARE SCHIZOID

I only need to be misdiagnosed with the tism and I got the Holy Quaternity of Robot illnesses under my belt

>>81890865
sorry to hear all that anon. I hope these problems don't plague you all your life. similar problems in my family have caused me great stress and left me penniless and basically all alone when I hit 20. sorry I don't have much more to say about it, i like to pretend these people dont exist at all

>>81891609
>YOU ARE SCHIZOID
I was diagnosed with this without being told. I find it terribly off. While I do rarely ever go out and don't have much of a desire to socialize, I still enjoy activities like lifting weights and have a desire to have sexual experiences, even though I'm a broke incel. (I still receive NEETbucks, though.) I do have emotional dysregulation, so I rage a lot, so I figure there's something else wrong with me besides OCD, but SPD is characterized by a lack of emotionality. I haven't seen a psychologist or the like in years. I turned 25 last month, by the way.

>>81891691
>I hope these problems don't plague you all your life.
I get a lot of anxiety from the fact my dad (my adoptive father and the father of my uncle) still contacts my uncle. My dad does so occasionally whenever he needs certain favors done. One of my dreams for years has been to become so wealthy and generally skillful with a lot of tools, so that I can help my dad whenever he needs anything. I can do this nearly every time, but not every time. Being skillful with a lot of tools and having a ton of DIY knowledge is easy to achieve, but I don't have things like a truck I can haul stuff around with, nor do I even have a driver license yet. (I turned 25 last month.) What is difficult is becoming wealthy. Although I receive NEETbucks, it's practically nothing compared to what I would be getting with most full-time jobs. I can't work a full time job due to the insomnia I have caused by OCD, but I also speculate some emotional dysregulation is behind it, since I often have to wait for hours to calm down before even taking powerful sleep medications. I take quetiapine, suvorexant, melatonin, and zolpidem. I could, and really should, gradually and secretly (from the eyes of the gubmint) save up some money in crypto, and then be able to rapidly convert a lot of that into cash, hopefully without getting in trouble when I do so, whenever a financial emergency pops up, since my dad and I only have a few family members in the US, and they're all poor and antisocial.

>>81891691
>I hope these problems don't plague you all your life.
I get a lot of anxiety from the fact my dad (my adoptive father and the father of my uncle) still contacts my uncle. My dad does so occasionally whenever he needs certain favors done. One of my dreams for years has been to become so wealthy and generally skillful with a lot of tools, that I can help my dad whenever he needs anything. I can do this nearly every time, but not every time. Being skillful with a lot of tools and having a ton of DIY knowledge is easy to achieve, but I don't have things like a truck I can haul stuff around with, nor do I even have a driver license yet. (I turned 25 last month.) What is difficult is becoming wealthy. Although I receive NEETbucks, it's practically nothing compared to what I would be getting with most full-time jobs. I can't work a full time job due to the insomnia I have caused by OCD, but I also speculate some emotional dysregulation is behind it, since I often have to wait for hours to calm down before even taking powerful sleep medications. I take quetiapine, suvorexant, melatonin, and zolpidem. I could, and really should, gradually and secretly (from the eyes of the gubmint) save up some money in crypto, and then be able to rapidly convert a lot of that into cash, hopefully without getting in trouble when I do so, whenever a financial emergency pops up, since my dad and I only have a few family members in the US, and they're all poor and antisocial.

>>81891766
Honestly, it demonstrates that mental illnesses shouldn't be used as labels due to the increasing overlap of symptoms in many of them, which causes confusion amongst therapist and therefore misdiagnoses. (or half-truths if you will)
Can I relate to a fair number of symptoms? well yeah, but then you look at how BPD and Schizoid pretty much cancel each other out and you're left to wonder why shrinks are such HACKS

>>81891691
>>81891842
There's also the issue of my family in Europe asking my dad how my uncle is doing. They're going to want to get updates, and there's some pressure from my dad as a result of this to at least occasionally socialize with my uncle, even though he's a draining narcissist.

>>81890432 (OP)
>The stereotype and even the type of narcissist most people talk about is the grandiose narcissist
It's because it's the most prevalent, and because different symptoms of the vulnerable type overlap with so many other more common and less severe explanations.

>>81891942
Several people theorize that the vulnerable and grandiose type are caused by the same disorder. They're just different expressions based on the wealth and status of the narcissist. The grandiose types want to be seen by everyone, so they're the most obvious ones for people to recognize, while the vulnerable types are more introverted, but still desire narcissistic supply through pity while blaming everyone else and having zero accountability and not being able to handle any criticism while harshly criticizing everyone else.

>>81890432 (OP)
hi again! im curious, where are you from?

>>81892004
East Tennessee, anon. My family is from Poland, though.

>>81892012
i figured eastern europe was involved somewhere. i remembered the name maxim and assumed you were russian or something :D well thats kewl, an amerikanski! i wish i had advice to give but im mentally ill and grew up with narcissists too!

>>81892030
>i remembered the name maxim and assumed you were russian or something :D well thats kewl, an amerikanski!
You should add me on discord. maxim20007878

>>81892012
>>81892030
Wszyscy w Polsce sa zaburzeni

>>81892052
ahhhh well... im reeeeallly socially anxious. i have a discord account, but ive realised over the years that autism plus bpd made every connection end very baadly. i do have your discord saved as a screenshot on my pc tho incase one day im not fearful...

>>81892060
u menya govorite po-russki

>>81892068
>i do have your discord saved as a screenshot on my pc tho incase
alright
what about signal?
hedgehog.47

>>81892068
Do you think you want a violent rapist gf because she will overcome your social anxiety by refusing to stop pursuing you and breaking your boundaries?
>>81892078
Why would you speak russian if you come from Poland...

>>81892003
Absolutely, I am just saying grandiose is more discussed because it is way easier to spot. Meanwhile pity and blame is common in various grief or depressive states.

>>81892088
i think you have me mistaken, i dont come from poland. the op has family from there though!

>>81892088
also, nah. i dont want just any violent rapist gf, i dont want 3DPD. i just want toga, shes so precious to me

>>81892107
Oh, sorry...
>>81892115
What if she became 3d and came at you?

>>81892121
well, as long as shes japanese like the canon and not some crackkka bitch she would be perfect.

>>81890432 (OP)
>when I'm certain there are tons of people who grew up in antisocial trailer park environments who ended up being narcissists
i dont think im a narcisiset, but im sure i grew up in a weird enviroment. wealthy, rich as hell parents who acted middle class as hard as possible. its weird. they havent worked in a decade, trade "vacations" (they went to greece like 3 times in a row). but everywhere they go and everything we rent is like some shabby boathouse or condemned building.

i dont mind, i think its neat, but its just a weird thing i think. drive a 35 year old car. work a min wage job. also have dual citizenship, two storage places almost as far apart as possible on earth, and i managed to have to get a new passport because i filled the old one completly full with stamps. almost got "forver banned" from france because the customs agent couldnt find a silly stamp.

honestly forgot why i was dumping this wall of text, my bad

I'm thinking my next thread will be about female possessiveness of children. Tons of narcissistic and generally antisocial children are super possessive of their children. Seemingly every woman, no matter how cruel or selfish, will cry and freak out of their child is being taken away from them. This absolutely does not seem like an empathetic response when it comes from monstrous women. It seems like some kind of primal response coming from the so-called lizard brain.