Thread 81917967

Im so fucked. Being a BPD woman is like cute and edgy and dangerous in a hot way. But being a BPD dude is basically your life is fucked dude, Sorry. I hate myself so much

>>81917967 (OP)
Be abusive and give into your bpdemon mood swings
The only bad part about BPD as a male is when you show restraint

>>81917967 (OP)
Stop hating yourself. Like, just say fuck you to other people and do what you want. Even if it means threatening them. What's life without a little drama? No one should feel ashamed for who they are.

>>81917967 (OP)
dude, all personality disorders are fake anyway. who gives a shit that you fit some boxes? fucking live your life and stop giving a fuck about how you might be perceived. oh and if anything, women are into mentally unstable abusive guys

>>81917967 (OP)
>tfw I fit every single one of these symptoms and every woman that I've managed to get with also fit these symptoms and it was just a ratrace to see who could outabuse the other

>>81917967 (OP)
Sheeshh I though this was a women only disease, fuck is wrong with you, hold yourself together

>>81918067
it's like 80% woman

>>81917967 (OP)
I have most of these, but I think I'm only ADHD

>>81918020
>>81918050
Appreciate the advice bros. Youre right i just need to stop caring

>>81918018
Abusemaxxing is a good idea, I dont want to actually hurt anyone thoughever

>>81918098
>dont want to actually hurt anyone thoughever
Low test cuckold

>>81918105
Let me clarify, emotional abuse is maybe up my alley but I want it to be both ways. And we can have hot makeup sex afterwards. Thats something I would be into

>>81917967 (OP)
just be a femboy faggot and prison gays will think you're hot as fuck
worked pretty well for us

>>81919280
But then I have to let dudes fuck me in the ass

>>81918098
Exactly. Don't let others expectations define your being, you're not their slave.

Imagine this scenario: You're trapped in a burning room and the only exit is blocked by flames. What do you do? Do you sit and wait in the corner and let the smoke of the fire slowly suffocate you? Or do you rush through the flames and risk getting burned? The choice is yours. Risk a quick but painful death, with the potentiality of surviving? Or live a bit longer but slowly suffocate and wait for help which might never arrive?

>>81917967 (OP)
Twinkmaxx, vampiremaxx and emomaxx and you will be the perfect bf for any retarded woman without a loving father

>>81917967 (OP)
Being a bpd woman is not cute and edgy and dangerous in a hot way people think you're fucked up and crazy, I'd rather be thought of as crazy and unstable as a male rather than as a female. It's cringe and lame to be a hysterical woman. The only people who think it's cute are people who haven't experienced it yet. Or seen what it actually is outside of people thinking it's a yandere waifu

>>81917967 (OP)
>tfw no bpd disaster gf
Just do DBT, BPD is the most treatable personality disorder

>>81917967 (OP)
You just have to level up and become a BPDemon King like me

>>81919594
>Just do DBT, BPD is the most treatable personality disorder
Dunning Krueger post
DBT's "just pretend normie mindset matters bro! just pretend this gibberish would matter even to healthy people not buying the bullshit!" can't do shit about specific brain deficiencies and sensitivities that BPDees have that turn their lives into 24/7 flight or fight stress response
Now transcranial magnetic stuff might have a REAL chance, possibly. Quite pricey for a gamble though

>>81917967 (OP)
i was talking to some chick i met here for a while, she was the first person i really hit it off with really well since like 4th grade and i started feeling really anxious about her ghosting me
do i might have BPD? im thinking about ghosting her before she ghosts me so i dont get hurt

>>81918105
>Low test cuckold
We don't sign our posts here.

>>81919695
There's plenty of evidence that DBT works though. It all just boils down to manipulating the processing stack. You can do it via drugs, therapy, magnets, whatever. It doesn't matter. The "brain deficiencies" are just malignant learned circuits, how do you think you get rid of those? By learning beneficial circuits! Plus there's way more evidence for DBT than for your magnet therapy in regard to BPD treatment.

>>81917967 (OP)
people with bpd are not human. theyre a lower caste of existence and deserve nothing but pain.

>>81917967 (OP)
I got diagnosed some months ago as a male, yep it's a pretty pointless existence.

>>81917967 (OP)
I'm unironically worse than all of this, I have all of this and more, add on domestic abuse, a lack of apathy and my brain switching off for hours that I'm missing literal weeks of my life that I have no idea what I did, I could blame my traumatic childhood on what I do but at some point I realise I'm just not like most people, I'm down right evil for some of this shit I've done, just cause I got raped by my dad and a dog, was forced to join him on scamming people and killed animals for entertainment with him doesn't make what I do justified, a normal person doesn't piss on homeless people for fun, make fun of a dying man during a car crash or ruin "friends" marriages by leaving used condoms in their bedroom just cause I find it funny

>>81919711
>im thinking about ghosting her before she ghosts me so i dont get hurt
You're letting others decide your fate. If she ghosts you, just stalk her. She can't tell you what to do.

>>81919799
>There's plenty of evidence that DBT works though
For non-severe cases - sure. Notice how there's no study on what % of "cured" and not are supplemented by brain scans. In non-severe cased you can suggest fucking anything and it'll work; you can hardly call those actual BPD. BPD syndrome - sure. OG author of DBT Marsha Linehan - had a hardcore disaster bullshit life out of BPD right until the moment she started any vapid structure approach on her own - religion, yoga, hobo-style therapy teaching; DBT was just another of the series of ANY structure. People like OP who have enough introspection to ruminate on themselves would've already "cured" themselves if DBT would've worked.
Do I make it clear that DBT is "just be yourself bro" tier intellectual bypassing when you feel like you're about to be fucking torn apart by what you can see, can't see, isn't there, by your own Fucking insides? YOU HAVE EXPERIENCES GUTS DANGLING OUT AND ACIDIC ANTS TRY TO FOSTER A COLONY IN THE AVAILABLE REAL ESTATE OF YOUR MEAT? WELL JUST DO RATIONAL THINKING AND PRETEND SOMETHING MATTERS FOR YOU! THIS WILL CLEAR THE EXPERIENCES UP FOR SURE TEEHEE

>The "brain deficiencies" are just malignant learned circuits
Lower volumes in PFC, amygdala, some other areas aren't "learned circuits" you presumptuous lazy piece of Sophistic argumentative vermin. Read the research.

>>81919980
>For non-severe cases
Most cases are non-severe
>Notice how there's no study on what % of "cured" and not are supplemented by brain scans
Brain scans aren't really gold standard for diagnosing BPD, it makes a lot more sense to use surveys or life outcomes to measure success here.
>In non-severe cased you can suggest fucking anything and it'll work
Obviously, most mental disorders can be cured through structured treatment. The primary obstacle is dropout rate.
>you can hardly call those actual BPD
Redefining BPD to mean only the top n% most severe cases is pointless
>People like OP who have enough introspection to ruminate on themselves would've already "cured" themselves if DBT would've worked
Unlikely, rumination leads to an echochamber and the reinforcement of unhealthy thought pattern. That's the exact opposite of what you want.
>when you feel like you're about to be fucking torn apart by what you can see
The entire point of therapy is to recognize those thoughts and move past them so you unlearn the malignant circuit. If it didn't work for you, sorry. But it works for a lot of people and the mechanism of action is the exact same as psychedelics, psych meds, transcranial, whatever the fuck.
>Lower volumes in PFC, amygdala, some other areas aren't "learned circuits" you presumptuous lazy piece of Sophistic argumentative vermin.
Yes, it is. Lower volumes do not preclude you from learning new circuits. It makes it more difficult and creates a worse best-case baseline, that's all. You are arguing that the brain computes using volume instead of circuitry, that's just not in line with anything we know about how the brain works. Lower volumes are associated with certain outcomes, they are not causative of those outcomes (for the most part and within reason).

>>81920078
>Brain scans aren't really gold standard for diagnosing BPD
>Most cases are non-severe
As per my last post, most cases are syndromes and not actual BPD.
>most mental disorders can be cured through structured treatment. The primary obstacle is dropout rate.
That could be true if you're not talking about exclusively therapy, and... "Most" my ass btw. Cases matter, not types.
>Redefining BPD to mean only the top n% most severe cases is pointless
Refutation without elaboration is what's pointless. Discarded.
>Unlikely, rumination leads to an echochamber and the reinforcement of unhealthy thought pattern
You're projecting. Introspection isn't mere rumination, and the presumption about the latter has no ground of sensibility.
>The entire point of therapy is to recognize those thoughts and move past them so you unlearn the malignant circuit. If it didn't work for you, sorry. But it works for a lot of people and the mechanism of action is the exact same as psychedelics, psych meds, transcranial, whatever the fuck.
You're arguing that convincing a person to ignore an arrow sticking from their guts is the same as removing the arrow and treating the wound. This is cultist thinking.
>Yes, it is. Lower volumes do not preclude you from learning new circuits
Utterly irrelevant pedantic retardation. You're arguing that you could, for example, optimize a 1k neuron cluster circuit to have it ignore the sensory overload when the healthy norm of the cluster is to be of 100k neurons.

C'mon, surprise me with something actually constructive. Even shittiestbtrolls can do better, if by accident.

>>81920206
>As per my last post, most cases are syndromes and not actual BPD
This is just something you've made up though, you're making a very strange distinction that no one else does.
>That could be true if you're not talking about exclusively therapy, and... "Most" my ass btw. Cases matter, not types.
The general recommendation for any mental disorder is therapy, meds, and lifestyle change. Any good therapist will tell you that. And yes, most cases of any disorder are highly treatable. Even schizophrenia, which is incurable degenerative disorder, is highly treatable if the patient doesn't drop out.
>You're projecting. Introspection isn't mere rumination, and the presumption about the latter has no ground of sensibility.
How would a person stuck in a harmful thought loop, reinforcing malignant circuits, suddenly pull themselves out of it all on their own? BPD is very well known for making mountains of ant hills anon. Perspective is important.
>You're arguing that convincing a person to ignore an arrow sticking from their guts
No, when did I say that? The "arrow" is a harmful processing pattern. The treatment is ablating the pattern. It doesn't need to be therapy, it can be anything as long as the processing pattern is ablated.
>You're arguing that you could, for example, optimize a 1k neuron cluster circuit to have it ignore the sensory overload when the healthy norm of the cluster is to be of 100k neurons
BPD people have a 99% reduction in brain matter in those areas? Even a dog can unlearn harmful thought patterns. The brain is incredibly able to rewire even after massive physical trauma. If a stroke victim is able to relearn how to walk, I think a BPD person can relearn threat perception. And the data agrees with me.

>>81920312
>This is just something you've made up though, you're making a very strange distinction that no one else does
Appeal to bandwagon isn't an argument, and is a cope as you continue to make up excuses of not addressing the point.
>The general recommendation
As per my last post, generalizations are only ever useful for syndrome cases. Are you really trying to argue against all the recognized and used specialisations and niche approaches while also appealing to consensus? DBT cultist thinking.
>How would a person stuck in a harmful thought loop, reinforcing malignant circuits, suddenly pull themselves out of it all on their own?
Marsha Linehan did. So did other people who somehow found their own psychotherapy-like ways, that, like DBT, are rather subjective and pointless when you have to address the wetware directly.
>The "arrow" is a harmful processing pattern.
The "arrow " is sensory overload, cretin (not an ad hominem, just a direct insult btw). You can't do a pattern when you are being obliterated into chaos.
>BPD people have a 99% reduction in brain matter in those areas?
This is bad faith straw manning because I said for "for example" so you would understand. You didn't.
>Even a dog can unlearn harmful thought patterns.
Irrelevant. This is not a compensation for lower neuronal density, otherwise we would be able to successfully teach animals calculus.

Your entire argumentation right now is "don't do transcranial magnetic stimulation or any specialized treatments because the general approach dogma is more infallible than even its authors think." This is not a point and this not a straw man, just my comment as I'm asking: literally what the fuck are you doing lmfao?

>>81920469
>Appeal to bandwagon isn't an argument, and is a cope as you continue to make up excuses of not addressing the point.
Presenting a theory with no evidence is also cope?
> Are you really trying to argue against all the recognized and used specialisations and niche approaches while also appealing to consensus? DBT cultist thinking
I have quite literally said that any structured treatment is good and have agreed with you that your magnets would be a fine approach. Trying therapy first makes a lot of sense because most people have "syndromes" as you say and therapy is quite effective there.
>Marsha Linehan did.
Lucky for her, most people don't however.
>You can't do a pattern when you are being obliterated into chaos.
That *is* a pattern! Sensory overload can be combated purely cognitively with e.g., meditation.
>This is bad faith straw manning because I said for "for example" so you would understand. You didn't.
I did understand but your example was too extreme. What is the actual reduction in matter? What is the limit where the reduction in matter precludes unlearning and relearning? You keep presenting unorthodox ideas with no actual evidence to back them up. If you want to disagree with the orthodoxy then fine, but you should at least have evidence.
>This is not a compensation for lower neuronal density, otherwise we would be able to successfully teach animals calculus
No animals know calculus but all healthy humans know how to emotionally regulate. I would not expect a dog to learn math, I would expect a human to learn emotional regulation.
>Your entire argumentation right now is "don't do transcranial magnetic stimulation or any specialized treatments because the general approach dogma is more infallible than even its authors think."
Please reread what I have actually said, I never disagreed with using transcranial stimulation. My point is to try therapy first. You initiated this by saying therapy doesn't work, not me.

>>81919711
Sounds like you're just desperate and don't get enough opportunities

>>81920542
>Presenting a theory with no evidence is also cope?
I already provided you all the bases of the hypothesis. If you're refusing to engage - that's on you.
>I have quite literally said that any structured treatment is good and have agreed with you that your magnets would be a fine approach. Trying therapy first makes a lot of sense because most people have "syndromes" as you say and therapy is quite effective there.
>
Please reread what I have actually said, I never disagreed with using transcranial stimulation. My point is to try therapy first.
You has put any approach under the same category with the implication that if DBT wouldn't work, then nothing else would, because "It all just boils down" and "whatever. It doesn't matter"
>>81919799
>There's plenty of evidence that DBT works though. It all just boils down to manipulating the processing stack. You can do it via drugs, therapy, magnets, whatever. It doesn't matter

>That *is* a pattern! Sensory overload can be combated purely cognitively with e.g., meditation
>all healthy humans know how to emotionally regulate. I would not expect a dog to learn math, I would expect a human to learn emotional regulation.
I'll see how well you'll emotionally regulate and meditate on patterns while both of your tibia bones break.

>What is the actual reduction in matter? What is the limit where the reduction in matter precludes unlearning and relearning?
Research data's ~24% (as far as I remember. It was whatever it was written) reduction evidence and circumstantial evidence (because there's no further research) suggest ~24% is the cutoff.

Don't like the discussion? You're talking with a BPDemon after the BPDemon tried DBT further than its author did.

>>81920578
>Sounds like you're just desperate and don't get enough opportunities
desperate? maybe? it's not like I'm antisocial it's just that I don't really find people I want to be friends with often. Such a rare specimen might take years to find another one.
>>81919975
Is that how people with BPD think? I'm not in love I just want to keep the friendship

>>81920724
>I already provided you all the bases of the hypothesis. If you're refusing to engage - that's on you.
I am engaging. I disagree with calling low severity BPD a "syndrome", it's still BPD and I think it minimizes the suffering those suffering.
>You has put any approach under the same category with the implication that if DBT wouldn't work, then nothing else would, because "It all just boils down" and "whatever. It doesn't matter"
No, the mechanism of action is ultimately the same but there's more than one way to precipitate that. That doesn't mean e.g., DBT failing means transcranial stimulation will fail. Different things work for different people. DBT works for enough people, is simple enough, cheap enough, and widely available enough that it should be the first line of treatment.
>I'll see how well you'll emotionally regulate and meditate on patterns while both of your tibia bones break.
Hence why therapy helps. The therapist is meant to act as a grounding voice and provide outside context to help the patient regulate during difficult times.
>Research data's ~24% (as far as I remember. It was whatever it was written) reduction evidence and circumstantial evidence (because there's no further research) suggest ~24% is the cutoff.
As far as I know the data is somewhat conflicting and clear correlations between volume reduction and symptom severity or lack of response to treatment are not present. Some studies show no reduction in the amygdala but altered blood flow and metabolism instead.
>Don't like the discussion? You're talking with a BPDemon after the BPDemon tried DBT further than its author did.
If I didn't like the discussion, I wouldn't reply. I genuinely enjoy BPDemons, I don't have even a speck of ill will towards you. If it seems that way, I apologize.

>>81920836
>No, the mechanism of action is ultimately the same
At this point this is a nonsense statement because even blowing own brains out is nothing but merely just ultimately the same circuit rearrangement as DBT. :)

>I am engaging. I disagree with calling low severity BPD a "syndrome", it's still BPD and I think it minimizes the suffering those suffering.
Ok then argue with the psychology complex against "schizoid", "schizotypal", "autistic" etc terms first. My distinction is to discern what treatments to keep in mind.

>The therapist is meant to act as a grounding voice and provide outside context to help the patient regulate during difficult times.
Can you point me to research of a therapist making a person meditate and emotionally regulate despite the person's tibia bones undergoing breaking? Similar methodology is fine, too! :)

>altered blood flow and metabolism
are not "just learning circuits", either.

>>81920952
>At this point this is a nonsense statement because even blowing own brains out is nothing but merely just ultimately the same circuit rearrangement as DBT. :)
Quite a bit different I imagine!
>Ok then argue with the psychology complex against "schizoid", "schizotypal", "autistic" etc terms first
What's wrong with these? They're all distinct disorders. I am schizoid, I know autistics, there's some overlap but it's not very significant in my opinion. They're trying to merge schizoid and avoidant which I disagree with, but I'm not sure it really matters much.
>My distinction is to discern what treatments to keep in mind
Absolutely, this is the whole point of even having the labels. But you can't know if someone has BPD or just BPD "syndrome" without trying to treat them first and DBT is a better first approach than transcranial stimulation in my opinion.
>Can you point me to research of a therapist making a person meditate and emotionally regulate despite the person's tibia bones undergoing breaking?
No, but if your tibia has broken you would typically see a surgeon or etc who would help you set the bone, right? The pain there is physical, not emotional.
>are not "just learning circuits", either.
No but neuron activations can alter blood flow too. If a BPD person has too much blood flow to the amygdala it can be reduced by reducing the activity of the amygdala. The whole system influences the parts which influence the whole system. It's easier to target the activations of the circuits than the blood flow e.g., exposure therapy for people with phobias.

>>81921085
>But you can't know if someone has BPD or just BPD "syndrome" without trying to treat them first
I never argued against this btw.
>and DBT is a better first approach than transcranial stimulation in my opinion.
That's true only by ease of implementation. What I'm really arguing against is "DBT is a good first approach compared to other psychotherapy approaches out there."
I'll just address the unaddressed core tensions all at once and state the fact that: if you actually want to be helpful without acting in harm, suggest Robert Moore (books, video lectures) instead of DBT. The elaboration I'm not going to elaborate further on (because you're to learn on your own) is: amygdala overload and fight/flight response are peak Warrior archetype territory; consciously approaching the negative state as a potential of constructive Warrior behavior is what, to be empirical, resulted in me properly (yes I'm confident) arguing this far intead of me just insulting you and trying to give you psychological damage because you had a potentially disastrous unaddressed implication.
All other approaches just do suppression, spiritual bypassing, intellectual bypassing, etc instead of facing the reality of the lived experience.

>>81921264
>I never argued against this btw
Fair enough
>That's true only by ease of implementation.
Maybe, but treatment has to be possible for it to be used.
> if you actually want to be helpful without acting in harm, suggest Robert Moore (books, video lectures) instead of DBT
I find that people are not typically able to do self-help. Having any therapist, regardless of DBT, CBT, psychoanalytic, is important because it puts a voice of reason (hopefully) into the room with them and keeps them from falling off the rails.
>All other approaches just do suppression, spiritual bypassing, intellectual bypassing, etc instead of facing the reality of the lived experience.
There is no objective lived experience though. The brain produces a constant hallucination and attempts to minimize prediction error between hallucination and received input. The other methods aren't suppression or bypass, they're just changing the processing of the input to better enable the patient to live a happy life.

>>81917967 (OP)
I wonder if I have BPD. For the longest time I never caught feelings for anyone, and I was sad but was able to go along with life as an incel. Met someone online, they were very nice to me and took me in for an online relationship. And my emotions just collapsed, I had feelings of everything in OP's pic, but was able to have just about enough will power to stop myself. Is this what BPD feels like? Holy shit, this is genuinely so painful

>>81921387
>I find that people are not typically able to do self-help
Not quite addressing my post since Jungian therapists exist.
>There is no objective lived experience though.
Irrelevant.
>>81921387
>The brain produces a constant hallucination and attempts to minimize prediction error between hallucination and received input. The other methods aren't suppression or bypass, they're just changing the processing of the input
unsuccessfully and/or inefficiently, because they're exactly of types of suppression or bypassing, the typed disrespecting the lived experience and the inherently subjective person at large.

Further input from me is pointless and is ceased. If you're (not) averse from learning something new, then it is what it is.

>>81921497
>Not quite addressing my post since Jungian therapists exist
You were suggesting people read books and lectures which sounds pretty self-helpy to me. I suggest DBT because DBT has the most evidence behind it. There's significantly less evidence for Jungian style therapy and the evidence is of much lower quality.
>unsuccessfully and/or inefficiently, because they're exactly of types of suppression or bypassing, the typed disrespecting the lived experience and the inherently subjective person at large.
I'm saying that lived experience doesn't mean anything except for the way that the lived experience is interpreted. DBT etc will attempt to reframe the lived experience to enable unlearning and relearning. I don't think any part of DBT is "forget what happened to you", it's more like "make peace with what happened to you" which is different thematically.
>Further input from me is pointless and is ceased
Have a nice day anon.