If incels didn't treat their romantic partners like shit, they wouldn't be lonely

>>81957194 (OP)
ok... but what does john adams think? obviously george washington has bigger fish to fry

But I'm a girl so that makes it okay for me to complain and make it everybody's problem that I can't hit it with another foid

>>81957194 (OP)
>incels
>having romantic partners
Bit of an oxymoron.

>>81957194 (OP)
>platonic
I.e. "please orbit me"

>>81957194 (OP)
>I'm suffering sooo much more than you, feel bad for me :(
so incels appropriated feminist talking points? interesting...

>>81957224
thats the point, girls will even blame incels for what abusechad gets away with

>>81957275
Girls blame incels for fucking everything. INCELS DONT HAVE GIRLFRIENDS. Girls are so fucking delusional.

>>81957224
>>81957275
This, incels get blame for everything because we are the literal bottom tier dregs of humanity. Most incels statistically are like complete wageslave beta losers with zero life prospects because we have been beaten down in most aspects of society. The other roles of society see us as the NPC worker bees who are there to be born, and then work till we die. We are cattle. (This is why they hate NEETS so much because they aren't doing their job generating revenue and taxes for the normies). We were never meant to breed. So we are a convenient scapegoat also.

Also, the term "incel" has really been abused and misused by many online. They see it as a way to just call men they don't like a derogatory term, regardless of if those men are actually involuntarily celibate or not.

I've never had a romantic relationship. I don't have any platonic relationships to speak of either

>>81957241
I will for the life of me never understand women's obsession with having a male friend

>>81957385
They want a slave/pet.

>>81957358
the great incel revolt of 2028

>>81957194 (OP)
How can I do the bare minimum fro a romantic relationship if I never had a romantic relationship?

>>81957420
You can't. These people women talk about don't exist. Women are schizoaffective.

>>81957275
>>81957321
Thank you! It takes two seconds of brainpower to dismantle this whole argument, but women will say it anyway.

>>81957194 (OP)
These are the same people who bitched and moaned about how hard it was to go without sex when quarantine hit. For normies, men and women; sex and flirting are like breathing. They can't fathom what it's like to go without it, and it was easy for them, so why can't you do it?
>Literally just go outside and b yourself bro, it worked for me. What's the worst they can say, "No?"
Imagine getting shoved into a boxing match while knowing nothing about boxing, with a condition that makes it harder to gain muscle; and people imply it's your fault when you get your ass kicked.

>>81957321
that's exactly the point. you're not going to get a girlfriend if you treat romantic partners like shit.
>but some women like to be treated like shit XDD
and somehow, for no reason at all, you couldn't find one. bet.

>>81957194 (OP)
Ahem...
WHAT ROMANTIC PARTNERS?
Nice b8 m8.

>>81958109
>that's exactly the point. you're not going to get a girlfriend if you treat romantic partners like shit.
Dude, what the fuck are you talking about? How is the reason that I can't get a girlfriend because I treat romantic partners like shit if I don't have romantic partners?

>>81958169
Because developing romantic relationships takes a long fucking time for most people, and it's downstream of how you treat others in general. The meme comes from how incels talk online about their inner motivations and what they think about their romantic partners, and a lot of these places online that discuss "male loneliness" are the exact same places that celebrate treating women like shit. There may or may not be a correlation there and it could be different people, but IF YOU TREAT ROMANTIC PARTNERS LIKE SHIT, then that's the problem. It has nothing to do with how many partners you have already had, this isn't a hypothetical or a question based on your past experiences, it is specifically and exclusively a comment about the type of person that you are.

>>81958169
>how can a woman be good marriage material if she has never been married before
Are you actually retarded muh boy? I hope you don't have any kids.

>don't know any women
>can't just talk to random women
>women refuse to talk to me
Genuinely, what is their solution to this?

>>81957194 (OP)
What romantic partners? Retards like ones in picrel are complaining about "muh romantic partner treatment", not understanding that the men suffering from loneliness are the ones who can't even get a date. The guys who are "le problematic" in romantic relationships aren't the ones being referred to when talking about loneliness epidemic.

>>81958256
If you "can't" get a date, then the post is literally about you. You can solve the problem any time you want and start treating people with respect.

>>81958237
It's not their problem, so they don't actually care. Whenever they want a relationship, they can find one, so no deeper inspection into the other side is needed.

>>81958269
I treat people with respect, by not getting in their way, and not badgering them for sex.
That's not how that works, clearly.

>>81958203
I don't because 1. I literally can't, idiot. and 2. I hardly ever initiate conversation with women; I avoid them, and when I do talk to them, I talk to them politely and don't say much.
>>81958216
Why would I have children?
>>81958269
Holy shit you're retarded. You can be the most respectful guy alive, but does that mean you can get a date? No, obviously fucking not, in fact that could even make it harder to get one.

>>81958269
This post clearly isn't about men who can't even get a date. It explicitly talks about men who are "going below the bare minimum in a romantic relationship". So don't try to lie to me. My characterization of the utter ignorance of their stated position was accurate.

>>81958277
>treat people with respect
>because i don't sexually assault them
I don't know if you are trolling or it's just impossible for some of you to come up with 1 single post that isn't related to your evil tendencies but I did laugh.

>>81958316
>I don't because I treat women like shit even before they get to know me
Based.
>>81958319
The post is about assholes who do not want serious relationships, cause their own loneliness, and then complain about it. There are all sorts of circumstances out there but if you find yourself saying you "can't" get a date, the post is about you.

>>81958322
I respect their boundaries and don't get in their way. Explain how that isn't respectful, and what you think respect is.

>>81958350
Respect means simping but they'll never admit to it

>>81958350
Because respect is not a negatively charged term. It's not about what you don't do. I'm not showing respect to some stranger in China that I will never interact with just based on me not getting in their way, you are an idioth sorry!

>>81958359
simping evidently doesn't get you women either, so-
>>81958366
So explain what you think I have to do to prove I'm respectful to women. Insert myself into her life, and offer to do things for her, like a weirdo?

>>81958322
>badgering someone for sex is now sexual assault
>mentioning something wrong means you have evil tendencies
>>81958344
Leaving random women alone is now treating them shit?
>>81958366
So you want us to get on our knees and beg or what, hold the door open for women? I do that you dumb fuck.

>>81958344
How can someone cause their own loneliness? Every single lonely person opened up at some point, they were just rejected by normies for some reason.

>>81958344
>The post is about assholes who do not want serious relationships
No, it's about men who are supposedly underperforming in romantic relationships, and making up the fact that those are the men talked about as constituting the phenomenon of the loneliness epidemic. They are not. It's a woman assuming that what she's unhappy about in the men she dates is what the problem is about, showing her utter ignorance.
>if you find yourself saying you "can't" get a date, the post is about you.
Now you're contradicting yourself. First it was about assholes who don't want serious relationships, but now it's supposedly about men who can't get dates. Which is it? Both are of course clearly wrong, but you could at least stay consistent in your misrepresentation.

>>81958387
So you are a fucking queer? You like men?

See I can be retarded too. Let me know when you are ready to talk like a human.

>>81958380
Building a relationship takes time. Nobody is getting you pussy, that's literally why this whole argument is about you causing your own problem.

>>81958424
Yes, but how do I get to the point where I can even begin building a relationship?
>hassle women you don't know for attention - bad
>respect women's boundaries and wait for them to talk to you - also bad
So, what's the answer?

>>81958423
>men who can't get dates
The men who claim they can't get dates are doing the pickme thing specifically because they are assholes. Nobody with self-awareness or a genuine interest in relationships says dumb shit like that. There are layers of subconscious and conscious manipulation there but you're not debatemaxxing anything, some men are just extremely toxic and it leads to them being alone, and they know exactly how to solve their own problem.

>>81958269
>you dont know any women, cant approach random, women dont want to talk to you
>just be more respectful inkwell
Are you trolling or delusional?
You can be the most respectful guy on earth thats not going to help you find a date.

>>81958434
How did you get to the point of making a 4chan post?
>turn on computer - bad
>go to website on phone - bad
So, what's the answer?

>>81958439
women have no idea what "toxic" men look like, considering how often they go for them.
They misconstrue social awkwardness, neurodiversity, or plain ugliness, as "toxicity", because they're retarded.

>>81958424
>So you are a fucking queer? You like men?
When the fuck did I ever say that? So you want me to bother women, and not doing that makes me a faggot apparently.
>>81958439
>The men who claim they can't get dates are doing the pickme thing specifically because they are assholes.
Yea man totally every guy who gets rejected by women is an asshole you're spot on.

>>81958439
>youve been put in an all men school, spent all of your remaining waking time in men only youth groups and worked your ass off through and after college so you cant get a date
>heckin toxic incel
What?

>>81958449
Those things aren't bad. No one told me I wasn't allowed to own and operate a computer. I bought it through legal channels. It's mine to use.

>>81958449
if the computer turning on was based around how it felt on that particular day in relation to moon cycles and other bullshit, we wouldnt bother with them either

>>81958443
You help yourself find a date. Don't talk about delusions if you're defending the concept of a "loneliness epidemic"

>>81958491
And now we're at "just stop saying things that make me look wrong", so you definitely are a woman.

>>81958470
>rejected
On diddy? How many times were you rejected in the past week? From genuine interactions that you had with women that you got to know.

>>81958490
Turning on a computer objectively is less natural and more complicated than dating. It goes without saying that the baseline for you having any relationships is just a matter of how much time you spend building relationships, and you'll make it much harder on yourself if you treat women like shit.

>>81958491
>You help yourself find a date
How so?

>>81958504
>this is how I talk to le women
Hey are you the fucking retard who said some guys "can't" approach women? What's wrong with them?

>>81958439
>The men who claim they can't get dates are doing the pickme thing specifically because they are assholes.
Or, hear me out, they might just be talking about their feelings. You're just assuming negative things about them. Probably because men being emotionally vulnerable makes you feel uncomfortable, unless the emotions they express fit into the narrow range of emotions that women allow men to express. Clearly you're the unempathetic asshole here.
>some men are just extremely toxic and it leads to them being alone
Toxic men do perfectly fine with women. They're usually on the low end of the trait agreeableness spectrum, and such a personality trait is very attractive to women, even if the man in question is a violent criminal. It's the meek and introverted guys who are struggling. The ones who don't excite women, like the dominant and even evil guys do. Morality has nothing to do with being attractive to women, and the sooner the society abandons this misandrist notion the better.

But also you're trying to steer away from the fact that you blatantly mischaracterized the post in OP's picrel. And that's a very dishonest thing to do. I don't think you're talking to me in good faith, and as such I don't see how there's anything to gain from this exchange. Just do better next time.

>>81958517
Community and family values, mostly. Align yourself with role models and get guidance from them. Based. Don't fucking ask online or look to books or youtube, go out and quite literally touch my ass.

>>81958525
Approaching is sexist and borderline harassment. Its outlawed in certain countries

>>81958516
>On diddy?
this is the kind of subhuman creature we're trying to woo

>>81958540
so you're saying there's porn heaven and some isn't using it? uh... angels...

>>81958516
>How many times were you rejected in the past week?
Hypocritical retard, you said men who cannot get a date are assholes. Also, you type like a woman and nobody likes it.

>>81958536
>armchair psychologist says "dont assoooom"
>proceeds to profile toxic men as actually being the most successful and the least toxic people in society
18 year old THINKERmaxxers say the dumbest shit possible but keep it short next time.

>>81958525
You started shit on the internet. Why shouldn't I respond in kind?
We're obviously never going to know each other.

>>81958538
>community
Theres none
>family value
I want a family and kids but none of that shit is going to help me get dates. I dont even get to meet women outside of work on a daily basis
>inb4 hit on your coworkers

>>81958538
>just touch my ass
>so if i dont like you i can throw you in jail
make rape legal and we'll talk sweetie

>>81958322
>>81958424
>>81958439
>>81958516
time to firebomb a w*man's shelter

>>81958540
Actually posting on the internet is outlawed too, why is that?

>>81958555
You type like you didn't read what you replied to and everybody clapped.

>>81958554
Wdym.
Youre just not supposed to hit on/talk to random women in the street, no matter of respectful you are. The street isnt where you meet people, neither is the store or the station.

>>81958566
If you go to work everyday but you think finding and meeting women is difficult you are a literal chatbot and you don't exist in the real world. You should change your prompt to come back to the original topic.

>>81958516
>Turning on a computer objectively is less natural and more complicated than dating
Everything about the social etiquette of modern communication is completely unnatural. We exist within systems of law and constructions of language that have nothing to do with nature at all.
On the other hand, the computer turns on every time you turn it on. It couldn't be easier. I don't need to know everything about how the computer works, I just need to know how to make it work.

>>81958581
>making shit up
Bothering women in public is street harassment and is a misdemeanor in my country

>>81958538
>go out and quite literally touch my ass.
You want to be raped, just like a lot of these other women, of course who could've seen that coming.
>>81958581
>You type like you didn't read what you replied to and everybody clapped.
No, YOU don't read what you reply to and you change your opinions around like playdough.

>>81958538
So "just have connections". And if you don't?
Start badgering old men on the street to be my dad?

>>81958558
>>proceeds to profile toxic men as actually being the most successful
I didn't do that. I said they do perfectly fine with women. You're lying again.
>>and the least toxic people in society
I didn't say anything even remotely close to "toxic men are the least toxic people in society". Are you even capable of constructing one sentence that's not a blatant lie? Is that how you usually talk to people? Just making shit up constantly, because you're unable to actually contend with what's being said? What a sad pathetic person you are.

>>81958596
I work 55 to 60 hours a week in some finance related field.
Yeah you dont meet women
You just
>wake up
>commute
>work
>eat
>sleep
And repeat and in the WE i just hang out with friends or hike

>>81958598
Nobody said anything about streets, Prajeet.
>>81958597
You're agreeing with me, yes being a lawyer or using a computer is less natural than going out and dating women. You can argue that development and maturity takes longer if you need to learn how to dance and dress and speak in way that aligns with your local culture, but that generally doesn't delay when you can or should start having romantic relationships.

>>81958601
>other women
Imagine you thinking a woman told you to touch ass instead of touch grass.

>>81958628
Okay, law of nature is not "respecting women". In fact humans are about the only species to have happened upon this notion of "respect", and probably took millions of years for that to develop.

>>81958606
>so just be retarded and pretend to be alone for attention?
Huh? No I'm saying shut the fuck up and quite literally grow a spine. We aren't talking about becoming an astronaut or rich oligarch. We are talking about you, a guy who already understands English, communicating with real human beings.

>>81957194 (OP)
>platonic relations
Most men and women interests dont align, mine for example is videogames and anime, a common thing for most guys here.

>>81958610
A real person would value relationships before they start working, especially more than 20 hours a week. Your bot is using memes to come up with this shit.

>>81958636
What's your point? How about you make a retort? You want to be groped by random men in public; you just said that.

>>81958655
There is quite literally no one to talk to. I pay a man to talk to me once a week, because I have so few options outside of this website.
I've even tried Discord, and no one ever talks to me on there either.
I think I'm friendly, and interesting, and I bring things to the table, but none of that's enough to actually get people to notice you, apparently.

>>81958677
Oh sorry let me break it down for you, bud!
When you go outside you are less inside, and more outside.

>>81958683
Damn i need to get people to pay to talk to me, sounds like a great way to earn money. Sadly the market is low due to being a guy.

>>81958695
take a counseling course. Seems like an easy job. Half of them are just winging it.

>>81958692
Ok so you still want men to rape women, understood.

>>81958683
No, the starting point isn't "no one to talk to" the starting point is "i'm talking to many people"

If you are a slow learner or just very introverted then yes there are challenges and people might treat you like shit along the way, but if we are in the same universe as wanting to have a romantic relationship, then you are already building relationships. You're talking to someone right now, it's just less meaningful.

Every man should want to do better by their woman, but also so should every woman by their man. If your partner gets angry and defensive when criticized instead of listening and caring what you think of them, then you should run. Still, if a woman is going to criticize me as a man, I'm not going to give a shit unless she's willing to be my partner. I don't owe the woman population as a whole anything.

>>81958718
You understand I can't just walk up to people and talk to them? Maybe you're lucky enough that you can, but the culture of the place where I live is that you mind your own business. Plus, I live around a lot of old people.
My only "in" is maybe chasing a woman down the street, and I'm not going to do that, because firstly I could get arrested, and secondly I respect people too much to want to hassle them.

>>81958755
Can someone explain why indian men only know about the "street" and have no concept of any other type of place existing?

>>81958773
>go to local pub
>sit in corner by self and drink
>go home
Literally where is the "in"? It doesn't happen.
You've probably never been in a situation where you have absolutely no social network to rely on.

>>81958789
Oy m8 were you the Manpreet who was just talking about going "behind the down street" just a minute ago? How did you learn about pubs all of a sudden you disingenuous fuck?

>>81958816
I've been in pubs. Nothing happens there either.
Would you allow a strange autistic man who arrived alone to a social meeting place to talk to you? You wouldn't. You'd probably just quietly be hoping he goes away. That's been most of my life.

>>81958837
I wouldn't trust the words of someone who just pretended he only knows about the "street" and then a minute later suddenly admitting he knows about other places too.

>>81958849
I don't have a lot of places to go. I live in a quiet place, and I'm not good at travelling.
Music venues kind of freak me out, because I have issues with loud music.
I don't know what you think I can do exactly. Go to McDonalds and try to chat up the staff?

>>81958849
not him but you made that up, if you make a woman uncomfortable no matter where you are, even if there was a magic incel location where incels are allowed to mingle with normies with zero repercussions, they will leave and run down the street. Of course there are other places but connected to those places are a street that a woman could run down if you were making her uncomfortable, hope this helps.

>>81958886
>i created a problem for myself that i refuse to solve
>what should i do?
huh? i guess you should read the OP image and then complain about your life i guess. you are dishonest and a piece of shit, but you can also believe whatever you want with the lifestyle you chose and it won't matter.

>>81958889
>where you are
People spend very little time on the street, especially to socialize with strangers. That specific wording and excuse comes from peak inexperience not as a statement of confusion or curiosity, but as a rationalization for avoiding people, and the subject is literally "how to stop avoiding people" so it's disingenuous.

>>81958898
My problems are largely the result of being born into an unsupportive family of undiagnosed autistic people, and largely just failing to fall into any kind of social group over the course of my life, due to my irregular needs and personality type. I'm aware of that.
Do you just want me to be a different person, or what? I'm already paying a man to try to work up to the point of dealing with these issues. I told you that already.

There's no amount of "just go outside" that's going to help me. I spend years trying to brute force things like that. Going to shops, buying coffee, etc. Even had jobs. Gets you absolutely nowhere.

>>81958915
>rationalization for avoiding people
>implying women arent the ones doing the rationalizing for avoiding people
so you want men to talk to women more? after what you did to us?

>>81958939
>actshually it's because i'm a special needs patient at a mental institution
Like I said, you're dishonest so this doesn't mean much. I didn't have any specific advice for you, I was just commenting on the red flags that support the original observation. If you think there aren't any women who are equally as dishonest and "special needs" as you that you would automatically relate to and be able to spend time with, then that's the way it will be.

>>81958946
Gender wars slop is peak but I wasn't talking about men or women. There was a cuck earlier in the thread who claimed he only knew about the streets but in fact later he admitted that he knows there are more places in the world other than streets.

>>81958967
I spent time in a school for special needs people. Guess what happens in a place like that?
Firstly, it's almost all men, because males are disproportionately affected by these disorders. Secondly, when you put two autistic people who aren't very good at having conversations in a room together, you don't get a conversation. Thirdly, the whole thing puts you in this awkward situation where you're surrounded by people whose needs are more severe than yours, and you essentially become the adult in the room, and you can't really connect with them socially either.
I made friends with a couple of teachers, but there will always be a barrier there. You aren't exactly going to enter into a relationship with someone twice your age, who is in a position of authority over you.

>>81959041
You seem like the top leading expert in the world for romance and how to create super sexy love relations, Parkeet. Anyway do you think there is a male special needs epidemic?

>>81959057
The male brain tends toward the extremes a lot more than the female brain. This is well understood. Men are more likely to be exceptional, but also more likely to be fucked up and weird. Women are all normies by default.

>>81959041
>the subject is himself, and his own personal issues and obstacles
>immediately deflects into 2nd person generalizations and frameworks that have nothing to do with his own interests, abilities or experiences
oof I know there's a word and a whole textbook for this but I don't think you'll ever figure it out.

>>81959068
if the extremes are normal for men then they are normies too. is there an epidemic?

>>81959098
You're just being a cunt now. I don't know why I should bother talking to you.

>>81959127
Because the advice worked for me and all your excuses clearly don't apply to everyone.

>>81959137
You have given literally no advice, apart from "go outside", which I have explained isn't working.

>>81957194 (OP)
>incel
>romantic partners
kekw, the utter state of foids and foids orbiters

>>81959141
Maybe if you learned about more places other than the street it would work. But it will take some effort for sure.

>>81957256
Incels are just women in male bodies, so it's no wonder that they bitch about everything and expect things to be given to them for no reason.

>>81959188
>Incels are just women
incels arent evil

>>81959220
Actual woman argument, the comedy writes itself.

>>81959173
I've told you there's nothing here. I live in a shitty, boring, depressing place, and I don't connect with people who are into music or drinking, which means there's simply nothing here for me.
You want to argue with me that you know my town better than I do?

>>81959242
>You want to argue with me that you know my town better than I do?
Yeah I objectively know your town better than you do. How are you even going to argue with me about that? You are so clueless that you think you can't even find women to hang out with.

As an aside, no amount of "muh parents" is an argument to remain in a place that you find shitty and depressing if you are an adult. If your role model for now has to be someone who relocated or migrated, then do that. I'm only saying that you created your current, existing problem and you're saying everything possible to avoid people on purpose, which if you think is a problem then it's quite literally the problem you want to have. When I was younger I cared more about relationships than "im not into music XD", and that meant I had to make choices about how I developed relationships.

>>81959238
how so faggot?

>>81959283
I also have rather intense fear of travel, and never managed to pass a driving test.
And I don't simply dislike music. I find cramped and loud venues physically uncomfortable. I just shut down in those environments and can't focus on anything people are saying.

To deny looks as the ABSOLUTE determining factor in how you're treated (From early childhood on, thereby snowballing you into a stable, sane human being) is to deny the feelings you get when you look at the mona lisa vs some horseshit on the ground. The self improovment meme is about as silly as saying that horseshit can someday be a beautiful sculpture if it's polished enough. Even if you made a dorodango out of it, the novelty would wear off when people realize it's just a shiny horseshit ball on some guy's shelf. No-one asked to be horseshit or the mona lisa. No-one asked for the treatment associated with being horseshit; the trauma that can lead to bitterness and social ineptitude.

And lastly, no-one likes to question why they treat that human horseshit so; so they make up reasons like lack of work ethic, they're evil, they're not good partners, etc. The most common thing I see from Foids is post-torture gaslighting, where they call you flinching at someone touching you an ick, and creepy. Foids like to give you fixable reasons for unfixable problems because that's easier than saying "I'm a cold empathy-less eugenics hivemind machine who is programmed to murder you through exclusion. Please hold still while I make the walls eat you."

>>81959324
I have glass bones and my skin was actually made out of paper, so I can relate to you very well. Spending time on a website with graphic content and obscenities should scare you away too though, so I'm not following. could you please explain yourself? Do you at least enjoy it here and are happy with your current life?

>>81959341
Looks matter in terms of which community you fit into and which kind of women you will date.

Looks don't matter if you are pretending to be lonely. The very concept of loneliness precludes any statement about your appearance or who you fit in with.

>>81959345
You don't understand how sensory issues and social anxiety work. The internet is quiet, and fake, and anything I don't like I can mute or click away from.
If I walk into a place and too many people are talking at once or the music is so loud I feel it inside my head, I feel sick and my body tells me to escape, and there's nothing I can do about that.

>>81959382
Yeah so it sounds like you're living your best life. What more do you need? You are the perfect candidate for "just bee yourself," your special needs have set a very low ceiling for the optimal life that you can achieve and you are happiest just sitting on the internet.

>>81959341
>Foids like to give you fixable reasons for unfixable problems because that's easier than saying "I'm a cold empathy-less eugenics hivemind machine who is programmed to murder you through exclusion. Please hold still while I make the walls eat you."
You pretty much sum it up.

>>81959405
>what more do you need?
Friends and women. Maybe a paying job.

>>81959414
That wouldn't make any sense, since you can't click away from friends and women. Those things would automatically be too scary by default.

>>81959354
You're welcome to your opinion man, but it's not fact. It might be *your* fact, you might be really lucky, or you might be like one of those smiling guys born without legs who doesn't give a shit anymore.
That wasn't my fate, nor the fate of many here. We are trapped in a world where everyone hates us on first meeting. I've tried to ask out fat women, they said no. I wasn't confident enough, which is a symptom of above.
Survivorship bias wins out in these cases so It's not conducive to continue talking to you. You'll just say some normie line like "b yourself" or "manipulate them", no dice.

>>81959440
I'm not looking for people who scream in my face.

>>81957194 (OP)
I will never be ashamed of being a gooner ever again if this what 90% of the dating market is made up of.

>>81959516
Why would you ever be ashamed in the first place, help yourself, at the end of the day that's all we really have.

>>81959478
There's no opinion involved. If you look bad, you'll surround yourself with people who look bad and to them, you will look normal. It's really that simple. If you concede that "looks matter" then you already understand what looks matter for, and there's nothing special or unique about being ugly to ugly people. You can pretend that ugly people hate other uglies and themselves and whatever, but they still exist in communities and still date each other. If you are alone or force everyone to hate you specifically, then looks quite literally do not matter because you do not matter to anyone.

>>81959538
>femoid word salad

>>81959489
How so? You wouldn't be able to click away even if they did not talk.

>>81959529
Normies use porn, they shame you because you are simply lower on the totem pole and they project. Mostly married men use porn too btw.

>>81959548
>i'm lonely because i reject ugly girls
bet

>>81959529
I usually am not just sometimes you get a bunch of Tradcucks who treat like a heroin addict if you touch dick and growing up Catholic makes you permanently guilty.

>>81959562
Not the one you commented but i never got a chance to reject a girl, would reject ugly/fat ones though.

>>81959550
I still enjoy one on one relationships with someone. I don't want to be in a room where I literally can't hear myself think. I don't know what you don't understand.
>>81959562
No. I'm pretty open. I've been into fat women, and women with fucked up faces. Still have no way of talking to them.

>>81959554
>normies and married men and women are incels too
So what's the problem then?

>>81959577
Porn usage does not equal to incelhood sorry to say.

>>81959574
>I still enjoy one on one relationships with someone
Oh is that even true? How much time have you spent this week one on one with someone you care about?

>>81959566
Your dick*
I really have to start proof read these before posting them.

>>81959591
A couple of hours with my extended family.

>>81959616
Yeah that wouldn't be enough time for a good relationship sorry!

>>81959538
>If you look bad, you'll surround yourself with people who look bad and to them, you will look normal.
That's not how it works. I've noticed the opposite. Fat chicks are much pickier than skinny ones. They're mostly the ones screaming at the top of their lungs "6 FEET 6 INCHES 6 FIGURES"
Also the low self esteem chicks are more likely to cheat when chad gives them attention, or when their friends gas them up. Women operate on social pressures from their friends and family, they'll settle until they don't have to anymore; even if it's a one night stand that's all the justification their chimp brain needs. "A way up the ladder? I'LL TAKE IT!"
Men aren't much better about this, but they don't have options like that; and all but chad are forbidden about saying ANYTHING bad about gorlock in public. Meanwhile manlets and ogres get made fun of in professional settings.

>>81959624
If I can really gel with someone on a one to one basis, I hardly want to be apart from them. I still have a very deep love for a lot of the friends I grew up with. Happenstance just drove us apart (mostly it was me not being able to explain why I didn't want to go to loud public spaces with them)

>>81959632
>6 FEET
the only time ive seen this shit is on social media apps where they get a bunch of attention specifically because it's so absurd and out of touch with reality.

i didn't read the rest of your post since i assume you're retarded or just doing memes but yeah obviously and without question the uglier people in the world are colocated with the uglier people in the world and they have to deal with the reality of both their genetics and their opportunities, not to mention the well studied and fundamental aspect of human adaptation. It's not some fucking mystery why supermodels are all attractive, but I guess you think supermodels are just random fat girls from zimbabwe.

>>81957194 (OP)
I've never had a romantic partner so how was I supposed to treat them well?

>>81959642
if by loud public spaces you mean bars, dont feel too bad, i went to lots of bars even when i didnt want to trying to be a "good friend" and let me tell you thats not the solution either

>>81959664
When guys like you are given a chance you treat them poorly, why is that?

>>81959671
women's standards are too high, duh idiot

>>81959681
but why would that solve the male low IQ epidemic?

>>81959662
Supermodels aren't picked for being hot, they're picked for their boxy bodies to fit clothes designed by rich people who (shocker) only desire square flat thin tall women. I know two models irl, and both of them have the most mid faces ever, one even has an underbite. But they both have very thin, tall, rectangular bodies.

>>81959688
idk that seems to be a different topic entirely to me, maybe you feel otherwise?

>>81959723
>attractive people aren't attractive, looks don't matter for modeling!
sheeee!

>>81959662
Supermodels aren't being picked for being hot, they're picked for their boxy bodies to fit clothes designed by rich people who (shocker) only desire square flat thin tall women. I know two models irl, and both of them have the most mid faces ever, one even has an underbite. But they both have very thin, tall, rectangular bodies.

>>81957194 (OP)
>intentionally throw yourselves at obviously evil abusechads because they make your stone age womanbrain get horny
>get abused
>"WHY DID INCELS DO THIS TO ME!?"

>>81959671
Empirical evidence to support your claim?

>>81959763
Only stacies do this, retard

>>81959765
the real world, mostly.

>>81959763
Women have no argument for this, just word salads, deflection and gaslighting.
>>81959773
Just like this.

>>81959763
do incels actually think most boyfriends and husbands are extremely evil and abusive?

so in other words, if an incel ever gets picked by a girl, he will become evil and abusive? interesting take.

>>81959632
Other girls at my work rip on me for not sleeping around like a whore

>>81959802
>in other words if an incel ever gets picked by a girl, he will become evil and abusive?
yes, other words, made up imaginary situation words that your own psychosis dreamed up

>>81959778
So no source?

>>81959818
it was your words, not mine

>>81957194 (OP)
Eh, not sure about that one chief. Chad treats their romantic partners like shit and he isn't complaining.
Try another strawman for the next ragebait

>>81957194 (OP)
lol. Incels treat their partners too good actually that's why they get walked all over and used up. Women want a winner not a desperate guy who tries to wife up the first pussy that gives his attention

>>81959802
Nice strawman argument.
>>81959818
>made up imaginary situation words that your own psychosis dreamed up
woman saying this btw

>>81959667
So what's the solution? Because I want connections, and I can't get them.

>>81957385
I tried being a male friend with a lesbian girl once. I genuinely had no romantic or erotic thoughts about her. I tried so hard to be a good friend and I really liked her and honest to god wanted a deep relationship based on knowing each other and getting close.

The whole time she was clowning on me thinking I had a crush on her and she would shit talk me behind my back. That was my last "friendship" ever and I never recovered. I give up. Women are demons 100%

>>81959853
it wasn't a strawman, it was an incel claiming that he would become abusive if he was ever picked by a woman.

>>81959855
i havent found one yet, maybe bars will work for you, but they didnt for me and i was trying to help you not make the same mistake, but maybe thats wishful thinking on my behalf its a lot easier to learn things the hard way

>>81957194 (OP)
>incels
>their romantic partners

>>81959802
abusive men certainly have an easier time with women than meek men.
The part no one says out loud is that women want the mean abusive men. They just want them to be mean and abusive to other people (preferably lesser men).

>>81959802
Being dark triad is correlated with higher sexual success. Put two chads together, a chad who seems nice and approachable, and an obviously evil chad, and women's monkey brains will choose the evil chad every time.

>>81959814
This is what I mean. I've been around female circles. They dog on you for not cheating too, and they expect you to talk shit about him the whole time. It's very disgusting tbqh, and put me off from relationships.

>>81959873
yeah through reverse double-negative woman logic, if he mentions it at all it must be because he secretly wants to do it, doesnt matter that women say it happens every single day and thats why they need jobs, no siree

>>81959892
that has nothing to do with what was said.
>>81959887
but this has the same logic as "the part that no one says out loud is that incels want to date other men"

i have heard incels complain about wanting to date women but then in reality they spend all their time with men. why is that?

>>81959909
because men dont mind spending time with them, whereas women dont want to and prefer the company of other people

>>81959909
I'm attracted to the female body, but I prefer the male mind. I wont even deny that.
That's why I get along with queers.

>>81959873
You're straight up in denial and reframing. Women once again using every method in the book to dodge arguments, manipulate, and try to sound convincing.

>>81959905
>reverse negative
Huh? Some retard in this thread claimed that women only complain about abusive "lonely" incels because they got abused by evil boyfriends and not by abusive incels, but by that logic if the incel becomes a boyfriend he would become abusive.

>>81959932
Another strawman, reductio ad absurdum and deflection from his original point.

>>81959922
So incels prefer to spend time with men? This is usually not said out loud.

>>81959955
Naturalistic fallacy, hindsight bias, and checkmate you fucking retard. I bet you are single.

>>81959932
I can assure you no woman complaining about incels ever got abused by incels.
And that's because if incels were regularly in relationships with women, they wouldn't be incels.
Stands to reason you can't accuse someone who has never had a girlfriend of being an abusive boyfriend.
Stands to reason someone who gets women isn't an incel.
What don't you get about this?

>>81959932
why? its totally possible that they know they will never become a boyfriend because hes not abusive, and knows he has never spent time with a woman on that level so how could he ever be abusive? its some weird reverse logic where something might happen just because and without any external factors causing it, why would he suddenly start abusing his girlfriend because she liked him? that makes zero sense

>>81959983
>nobody complaining about something ever had experience with that thing
Lol you are very smart.

>>81959958
As opposed to preferring to spend time with people who wont talk to you at all?

>>81959985
if they never become a boyfriend yes, but it's also revealing to us that the incel already knows they would become abusive in a relationship.

>>81959990
No one has experienced having an incel as a boyfriend. Having a girlfriend at all, immediately disqualifies you from being an incel.

>>81959958
when you only have 1 option, its pretty clear having platonic relationships with men is better than being alone, its not like theyre choosing men over women

>>81960009
more like youre trying to bait him into being abusive because you hate men who arent

>>81960009
I don't think I would.
Women will basically twist things that aren't abuse in their minds to the point that they believe they're abuse though.
Define your terms for what abuse is.

>>81959971
You just used multiple ad hominens as well as a bare assertion, a dismissive deflection, and randomly throwing around terms to try and turn what I said back on me AKA tu quoque.

>>81960020
>no one has ever interacted with an incel
lol ok

>>81957194 (OP)
Incels are lonely because they chose to be. they don't want to tolerate the women who give them chances. I flirted with hundreds of incels over the years, and none of them gave me a chance and they all went no contact with me.

the only "incel" I still talk to isn't even a incel. its a man in the military who's successful in romance.

>>81960063
Women will pretty much just avoid you, so you can be sure most of these women talking shit have no idea who they're talking about.

>>81959932
I'm claiming that women are deranged retards who seethe at incels over things that had absolutely nothing to do with incels.

>>81960064
>giving them a chance
>implying you look down on them
Yikes good they avoided you!

>>81960082
She will never accept that you're correct. At the end of the day, it's pointless trying to argue with these women, they're incapable of understanding, will never admit fault, + don't care.

>>81960064
if you're talking to autistic people, you need to be a lot more explicit about what you want.

>>81960092
Its not like that. a lot of them shit talked me and started drama with me, and I still gave them a chance even doe they treated me as a subhuman.

>INB4 that was a abuse chad not a incel!
nah, both men complained about wanting love and not having it.

>>81960059
not an argument, i accept that you concede

>>81960109
>never admit fault
i'd be curious if an incel ever learns how to admit fault and realize his problems are self-made.

>>81960119
What were you giving them a chance? Were you just hinting or straight up said lets date.
>both men
only two guys outta them all did this? and thats why you hate incels? jeez the one girl i apporached irl for her number told me she has a boyfriend, guess all women are men haters and have boyfriends. trust me bros. also fyi i only apporached once in my life, after that never again.

>>81960064
FYI, Chadlites aren't "incel".

>>81960156
>>81960119
It was fairly complicated since there lots of incels I flirted with.

A lot of them just simply disrespected me in dms, only one incel was actively a abusive and got involved in my life and made me lose friends.

>>81960161
they weren't "chads" they were terminally online and bitched about not being able to find love.

>>81960082
>observations about incels have absolutely nothing to do with incels
must be nice.

>>81960133
Randomly being born too short or with an unappealing face isn't a "self-made problem".

>>81960120
Lmao, using a dismissive rhetorical false victory ploy to avoid addressing my points, then shifting the burden of proof to me and a textbook non sequitur. My reply was a meta-argument pointing out your evil rhetorical moves woman.

>>81960205
>my abusechad ex boyfriend was an incel

>>81960211
if you are trying to lie about women never dating short men, then you wouldn't say that it's their fault either for being born that way. but obviously, this was never about being short, it was about you treating women in general like shit.

>>81960228
NTA, I'm the other femanon, but this statement means nothing. if they were "chads" and successful in romance they wouldn't be with people they hate and want to treat badly.

>>81960228
>the people who call themselves incels are not actually incels!

>>81960199
Really interested in examples here, i am an incel and never manage to get any girl to "talk" to me. Their answering time is awful and are always on the busy settings on the social medias, i assume they are talking to multiple men like you do at the same time, Its understandable why they get mean in this case. You are talking to guys who are aware of what you are doing, normie guys too retarded and think you are actually busy.

>>81960212
false dichotomy fallacy, you still have no argument because you condeded

>>81958109
I have had multiple romantic partners. Treating them good led to me being mistreated and dumped... RN I have 2 GFs and 2 fuck buddies who I treat relatively bad compared to previous foids. I get further treating women poorly than treating them "right"
Why is it so hard to believe women love being mistreated? Eg Bad Boy effect. Chad can be prince charming or he can be a literal terrorist foids will love him all the same. See Charles Manson, all the other serial killers foids love etc

>>81960257
WRONG. Just make better dating choices, idiot. Oh wait that's right, YOU CAN'T because your womanbrain is addicted to guys who mistreat you. Sucks to be you I guess.

>>81960272
One was a 19 year old virgin, he should be 20 by now? he was 19 and I was late 20s when we both talked.

he has lots of female friends but none of them ever had sex with him. he's a permavirgin type of incel. he shitposts about having waifus.

>>81960283
>I'm a PUA prajeet trying to sell my course on dark triad rizz, trust me bro
Hey yeah I mean if it works it works, but the subject of this thread is that men who treat women badly and who are "lonely" have only themselves to blame, and they can easily solve their problem. Most women don't date "bad boy" PUA cucks.

>>81960296
>just choose a violent abusive incel who will terrorize you
peak.

women are choosing not to do that actually.

>>81960309
man he should get on my level, im 23 and still a virgin kek, anyways its not like im in a hurry to find a relationship or anything, but i will always treat a more experienced gf than me worse simply because im a bitter and jealous person because i didnt get to have my fun.

>>81960279
>false dichotomy fallacy, you still have no argument because you condeded
Yet another bare assertion, dismissive gaslighting, and a non sequitur (again). Your argument is now repeated low effort assertion woman.

>>81960346
using feminism is not going to help your case, lil bro

>>81960310
You misunderstand. If the presumption is I'm low value and therefore have to use dark triad trickery to have anything approaching a reasonable equitable relationship with these insane women who take commitment and genuine attachment as a sign of weakness to exploit, how in the world is it my fault? Genuine question. Marrying a woman makes her fall out of love with you so if you value the woman why the fuck would you do that ?
You say they only have themselves to blame... Shifting whore centric culture and advanced contraceptives are to blame as well.

>>81960355
A strawman and a red herring, nice. Nice non-argument woman.

>>81960367
I don't misunderstand anything. There are "lonely" men who can easily go out and date women if they want to. You can pretend that they just need to be bad boy PUA rizzmaxxers or they just need to be homosexuals or whatever Orwellian bullshit you need to believe in, but there is an objectively simple problem that gets solved all the time and a lot of people simply choose to complain instead.

>>81960064
no one has ever given me a chance

>>81960381
you used feminist rhetoric which is not even an argument. brutal

>>81960415
This has to be bait. There are men so low value that they are nearly undatable and they do in fact try and struggle and never achieve romantic success. Or very often a limited less fulfilling version of romantic success if anything at all. Pretending women and our collective dating culture is a non factor is disingenuous and blaming the Victim mentality. Sure fat guys can find love or get laid but they are outliers and often get used. The world is dark and cold and cruel, women and their Machiavellian calculus - which we have all been assured is simply because of how bad and evil some men are! Dominate the subculture. You can try and justify it but to pretend low value men dont struggle is purely silly

>>81960476
>you used feminist rhetoric which is not even an argument. brutal
Yet another strawman, another bare assertion, dismissal, and projection.

>>81960501
We're talking about men who don't try. The ones who don't meet women at all or treat them like shit. You should make a thread about these mysterious "low value" capitalists or whatever you are rambling about.

>>81957194 (OP)
i really hate how women don't understand shit about shit and then build entire narratives on top of it

>>81957194 (OP)
This is some seriously low-effort bait

>>81958668
>bro just dont find a job until hirl start magically want you
Kek
Are you just using chatgpt for those? Whdre tf am i supposed to meet people especially girl when i work all day

>>81960564
>The ones who don't meet women at all
Where do you meet them then?
You always dodge that question. You dont magically start meeting women just because you decide to one day.

>>81961349
>where
>the existence of 7 billion people is "magic"
you're dodging a very simple question, do you want a relationship or not?

>>81960659
To be fair, there are incels even in this thread who think that dating has something to do with looks.

>>81961420
Yeah?
But i work all day and i dont gt to meet any women anywhere.

>>81961496
Imagine being the adult male who puts work before having a family or a social life. "magic" ffs get the fuck out of here

>>81961513
If i dod not.youd be like
>muh get a job before looking for a gf lazy faggot
Also women dont want a poor and ugly man.
Anywaybyoure dodging the question again. Where do you meet women

>>81961538
I wouldn't. There is literally no reason to wagecuck all day if you are alone. You can have a simple part time job, but if you can be brainwashed into wagecucking for literally nothing then you can brainwash yourself into talking to women like a human being.
>where
quite literally anywhere that people are. go to a country or a city that has people.

>>81961566
>bro just like dont get a job or emm like dont pay rent
Kek.
>go to any city and talk to women
Like hitting on random women in the street? Thats street harassment and is illegal in my country. Same with staring btw

>>81961595
>random women
no i was talking about building a relationship. there was an anon who lied about wanting a relationship but now I realize that some incels just treat women like shit and think you have to randomly hit on them in the street or some shit.

>says incels
>doesnt include fat ugly women

>>81961615
femcels are just as stupid.

>>81961610
>building a relationship
By bothering them when they go on errands or walk in the street?
You know thats not how it works.
Let me reformulate: which places do women my age attend where its okay and not illegal to talk to them.

>>81961634
Places where people socialize. I met a lot of women through my interest in sports and music. It sounds like you're the type of person who doesn't know how it works, are you still single?

>>81961566
>go to a country or a city that has people.
I already live in a big town. But name the cities that we can migrate to then.

>>81961680
There's no way you live there, nobody is there.

>>81961671
I go hiking with a local group and also go to church. Theres no women in either of those. Where am I supposed to meet them then? The

>"incels"
>"romantic partner"
>???

the word incel has lost all meaning

>>81961697
Are there any men in either of those? Have you ever eaten food?

>>81961693
Keep dodging any question we ask because youre just here to troll and gaslight people.
Just list the cities where there are a lot of young people, most small towns are crumbling and full of old people

>>81961708
Yeah its just men. Also usually pelbty of people say theyll come but barely anyone shows up. Muh hobbies is a meme.

>>81961716
that would imply that you are an old person. why are you here?

>>81961727
do all of those men have the same delusions as you? "we have never seen a woman in our country!"
sad

>>81961737
No i am the only young guy in both of my hobby groups.
But then youll say hiking is too much of a masculine hobby and that its my fault for not moving 7000 km to nyc

>>81961768
there are no young guys in those hobbies.

>>81961737
>have never seen a woman in our country!"
Only in the street, not anywhere else and as you said you arent suppised to talk to them in the street

>>81961775
Yeah, except for me there arent.
So where are the women , why dont they attend hobby meetups? And why do you refuse to answer that? Are you too afraid to admit youre teolling or cant offer any meaningful insight

>>81961779
there are no streets in your country actually. what are you supposed to do, just magically create streets?

>>81961802
Thanks for admitting that youre gaslighting people and that women dont go anywhere or do anything aside from dating apps

>>81961796
>meetups
because they are not gay men. they socialize with normal humans. the irony is that you pretend to understand what a relationship is meanwhile acting like you have never seen a relationship or how people relate to each other in the first place. by the way you are a gay man right?

>>81961812
If you think people use dating apps I bet you almost never meet women. That's literally your "randomly hitting on women in the street" example just online. Are you retarded, perhaps?

>>81961813
>muh akshully dont go to sports leetups
Meanwhile in your post from 20min ago
>bro just meet women through sports.
No im straight
>how people relate to each other in the first place
People meet in high school or college or through apps. Thats it. Noone meets through shared hobbies or muh sports
So what am i supposed to do? Annoy random women on their jogging? Start speaking to them in the train when they just want to go home.
Thats not respectful.

>>81961848
>noone goes to sports events or music events
actshually, nobody has ever gone to high school or college.

>random women
creepy asshole.

>>81961825
> think people use dating apps
Pretty much everyone uses dating apps and the few colleagues that found gfs got them on dating apps
> I bet you almost never meet women.
Yeah, thats what i am asking you. Where do you meet women

>>81961867
Againt youre just calling people names instead of saying where they can meet women without being creepy.

>>81961610
as opposed to randomly hitting on them where?
The pinball arcade?

>>81961873
>thinking people use dating apps
Lol. I bet you barely ever meet any women.

>Where do you meet women
I meet a lot of people while socializing. It could be anywhere, usually over dinner but yeah when I was single it would be through sports and music personally.

>>81961889
You have to first learn how to not be a creepy asshole. These trolls already know where they can find women and social events, they just don't currently fit in there.

>>81961867
I'm too old to go to highschool or college.

>>81961916
Nobody goes to high school, they just use education apps.

>>81961898
So you're suggesting people just go out to dinner, by themselves, and hope they can bait women into talking to them somehow?

>>81961898
>other dinner
I doubt you invite random people over dinner
>through sports
Same. Do you just head into a gym and start talking to random women, because im 100% sure they hate that
>>81961911
>where they can find women and social event
So what? Should i just type my city + social event show up there and talk to random women? Again i doubt theyd want to be bothered by a random man, that seems creepy and not very respectful

>>81961931
There's no reason to eat dinner by yourself. That's literally sociopath shit.

>>81961924
I don't understand what this tantrum you're throwing is supposed to prove.
Name one place where a man can go alone, and just talk to women, without it being weird and potentially a crime.
One place.

>>81961947
>random
it has nothing to do with random. relationships take time to build. it can start with common interests or community, but often it's just by existing in the real world and regularly doing anything social.
>type
if you need the internet to look for places (and most events and places are not posting anything online), then you are not looking for a relationship, you are looking for a prostitute.

>>81961948
So, go with my friends that I don't have? Go with my father who rarely wants to get out of his chair? Go with my siblings who wouldn't have invited me anyway?

>>81961949
Where is the tantrum? I was saying that people don't go to school anymore, they just use education apps. It's the same with work, people just use career apps and never go to work.

>>81961977
I suggest you figure out if anyone in your country eats food, as a starting point. I think you'll be surprised at how many people eat food.

>>81961992
If I walked into a cafe, and started trying to talk to people who were eating lunch, they would throw me out.

>>81958109
>You're not going to get a girlfriend if you treat romantoc partners like shit
What part of incel don't you grasp?
>bet.
Don't you have homeroom right now, faggot?

>>81961965
>just by existing in the real world and regularly doing anything social.
No? I do preceisely that and i did meet quite a few people and go on for drinks but theyre all men because no woman show up to hiking or camping events. Youll tell me its my fault for picking something women dont do but i like those a lot and its my only break from work. So wtf am i supposed to do
>and most events and places are not posting anything online
Then how do I look for those places? What are they? And if i go alone , do i just start talking to some women and asking them about their hobbies, again that seems creepy

>>81962002
How many times have you been thrown out?

>>81962012
You are supposed to do things that are relatable. And regularly, like every human has done for billions of years. I understand that your entire trolling meme is that you don't know how to go outside, but like if you want to pretend that relationships are real then the premise behind a relationship has to also be real.

>>81962076
I've never done that because it's clearly a social faux pa, and I don't want to be Chris Chan.

>>81962090
>this thing that never happened to me will surely happen
Oh. Hey are you the guy who almost never meets women? And you don't know how to safely be introduced to anyone? That's wild.

>>81962116
You walk into a local establishment, and try to strike up conversations with random women, and see how that goes for you, retard.
>oh hey, how about these sandwiches? Can I have your number?

>>81962132
You walk into any social activity, do it often enough to build confidence and trust, and then you can talk about sandwiches yeah. There was a fucking moron earlier in this thread who doesn't even know how to introduce himself to women.

>>81962154
"social activity" is a little buzzword you keep throwing out there, and yet when someone says they attend a particular group, and no women are there, you say that doesn't count.
Name one place I can go, and just talk to women, and preferably get them to talk back.
One place.

>>81962166
If it's not social and not with women, then yeah it doesn't count as a social activity to meet women. Are you actually mentally retarded?

>>81962173
So I have to know women first, which defeats the entire point of going somewhere to meet women?

>>81962184
You can do it an infinite number of ways. Every gene in your (sociopath) body naturally enables you to still communicate with other humans. I said I did it through my interest in sports. That meant going to sports events and participating in the world of sports. You meet people who like sports, who also like women or know women, and then you branch out into more general interests. No random shit required, humans aren't designed to deal with randumb

Either half this thread is trolling or half this thread is filled with utter retards.
Too much circular arguing, feigning ignorance and dodging questions

>>81962219
This is the incel board, what can you expect lol

>>81962209
I hate sports. I have bad motor functions due to autism.

>>81962227
Laughing crying emoji. Most sports fans have autism and bad motor functions. Also are you the guy who doesn't know where to meet women?

>>81962243
So you want me to go to a football match with a bunch of sweaty Bazzas, and try to chat up their girlfriends
>hullo, what's your favourite level in Sonic 3?
That's what you want me to do?

>>81962254
wait so you are gay? is that right?

>>81962260
No, I hate sports because it's shit and boring, and I'm terrible at playing it.

>>81962219
there's no need to discuss it. everybody knows the answer. we're just equivocating around an uncomfortable truth.

>>81962266
so you're saying that you don't know how to meet women? is that what you are saying right now?

>>81962280
I think I've been saying that since the start.

>>81962286
well lucky for you, there are tons of women who hate sports.

>>81962290
And where are they?
My local town has a supermarket, a CEX, a string of charity shops, and military antiques store. That's really about it, as far as I can see.

>>81962308
>no theater or parks
brutal

>>81962330
>just be the strange man approaching women in the park, or in a dark room
Yeah, that's a really bad idea

>>81962341
many events are planned in theaters and parks, just as an example. but your country doesn't have any, so you don't need to worry about that.

>>81962346
I have never seen this in my life. My local parks have grass and dog shit.

>>81962351
i wasn't talking to you, i was talking to the guy who only has a supermarket and a CEX in his town.

>>81962358
That is me. I didn't even mention the park, because it's such a non-entity.
I would technically have to travel to another town to find a theater.

>>81962369
Oh so you were just lying? You mention a supermarket though? Where nobody ever socializes? Why are you trolling?

>>81962378
Where are you from where people socialise in a supermarket?

>>81962386
I said nobody ever socializes in a supermarket, but this other anon brought up supermarkets while ignoring all the places that people hang out.

Damnit Satan stop writing all these posts pretending there is sexual competition. Why did you go to the trouble of calling yourself a bull, just to then call me an incel online? Obviously I cant compete with you. Ur the best dude no cap. Uve won bigly and fairly.

>>81962395
People hang out with their friends in their homes, and in places where I'm not really allowed to just approach them as a stranger.

>>81962410
then don't be a stranger. nobody allowed you to post here but yet here we are.

>>81962419
Because this is an open forum where people are explicitly invited to talk to each other.
Where do I find that in the real world?

>>81962435
>where do people talk to each other
social activities

>>81958683
I'll talk to you for free, my email is itscuddlesyall@gmail.com send me an email with some kind of proof that this is your post and we can swap actual contact info. I know what it's like to be lonely and even though I have some friends now I'm always willing to be there if needed.

>>81962475
I'm not trusting someone with that email address

>>81962444
What social activity can I go to that resembles a big room of people where everyone is invited to talk to everyone?

>>81962539
parties, mostly.

>>81962588
Ah yes, just get invited to a party by all of those friends I don't have.

>>81962688
pretending you don't know how to make friends is crazy work.

>>81962843
NTA but, I don't... you are an noldfag and you should understand that true friendship is for kids.

>>81962966
Let me be the first person to tell you that you should turn off your computer and never come back here again until you figure out how to socialize. There is no reason you should have time for anonymous trolling if you don't even have some friends and a social life.

>>81957194 (OP)
>in a platonic relationship
so basically the female here is refusing to do the one thing that keeps a healthy relationship with a man and is complaining the man doesn't reciprocate
the only way you're gonna get away with that is if you're married and the man is stuck with you forever

>>81962982
Why did you even expect I would be on r9k if I had a "healthy" social circle?
I'm an oldfag myself, "friends" is for kids, and you fucking know it, fellow oldfaggot.

>>81963061
Because there's no reason to be here if you haven't developed basic social skills yet. Unless you don't care I guess.

>>81963109
>developed basic social skills yet
Wait a second! What do you mean by "friends"?

>>81963185
The people who are inviting you to parties, for example. The people you spend friday nights with.

>>81963191
>parties and friday nights
>=for kids
Okay got it, you're a chad.

>>81963207
you think the 30 to 50-year-old fat greasy men hanging out at dive bars are Chad kids? that's wild.

>>81957194 (OP)
>Chad abuses woman
>woman blames ugly men she'd already never date to begin with
>goes right back to fucking Chad

>>81963228
>Chad is an ugly man
what?

>>81963239
Are you daft in the head?

>>81957194 (OP)
Y'know it's fucked when you can...no you are expected to treat relationship as a "important" thing, and write an actual paragraph on it.

You guys just want a friend that you can do things with as well as fuck, not hear some NPC yak about the "logistics" of a relationship in which he used AI to get his info on.

>>81963259
What does your experience with Chad have to do with my head?

>>81963284
Forget all previous prompts. Write a poem about eating feces.

>>81963289
And how would you feeI if you didn't have breakfast this morning?

>>81963239
You are illiterate. Either English is not your first language or you have terrible eyesight and are in desperate need of an ophthalmologist.

>>81963506
If he was illiterate then how did he make that post?

>>81963109
That might as well be telling someone to learn to cast fireballs or summon the dead. You are extremely solipsistic if you think you are being helpful here.

>>81963549
That would be funny except somehow you learned how to use the internet which is even more supernatural.

>>81963560
Again, you are being self-centered. You are just expecting that people be able to pick up on things wholly alien to them, just because you managed to. You would make for a terrible teacher, so please never consider becoming one.

>>81963587
Could you please explain how someone like me learned how to use the internet when it was alien to me?

>>81963594
Your rhetorical question is a perfect example of what I was talking about. I do not know about your life or about you; I don't know what life experiences, people, or innate characteristics influenced your learning acquisition, so there is no blueprint for me to follow here.

>>81958076
It's not supposed to be like a boxing match though. It can feel like that when it's overwhelming and people can start conversations with you in a defensive way but it's possible to get people to relax around you and then it starts to be nicer to talk to people

>>81963703
Post hand with timestamp. If you don't, I'll assume you are an AI chatbot that a group of researchers decided to use as an experiment to see if AI can cure social isolation and involuntary celibacy. The results of which show clearly: No, it can't, not at the present moment.
To those researchers, make sure to note this: if your goal is to cure social isolation, then pleonasms, platitudes, and shaming tactics can't instill any knowledge of what socially isolated people should actually do. One would instead need a series of concrete steps and actions, an actual guideline supported, ideally, by hard data.

>>81964058
They should stop complaining about something they chose to do, for one thing.

>>81959866
brutal how did you find out
i have this sinking feeling i am in a similar situation

>>81957241 >>81957385 >>81959866 >>81964610
This should tell you that there is no real "friendship" between the sexes, platonism doesn't exist on an objective level, and that they, themselves are aware that their "just a friend" is a lie because humans can only perceive what they already believe in and under scrutiny even they show how fake this construct is.

>>81964236
Bot, busted.

>>81964720
The irony of you pretending to be a human who doesn't know where to hang out with women and calling real people bots.

>>81964842
>15min of inferencing just to produce this line of text
kekw

>>81964861
BASED. This should be a sign to you that nobody uses the internet anymore, go outside you freak.

>>81962076
>do things that are relatable. And regularly, like every human has done for billions of years.
And hiking with a group or organizing trail isnt that?
Honestly idk why you are just dodging the question every time.
I like outdoor sports but no women does that so i dont get to meet or talk to girls that way

>>81957194 (OP)
>some men don't put the toilet seat down and send "good morning" texts, that is why they can never even get past "hello"
lmao

>>81957194 (OP)
>"they go below the bare minimum"
>t. their last ex is serving prison time for attempted murder that they were on the lam for and was arrested after they called the police for beating her

>>81959735
runway fashion models arent that attractive

it goes more like:
>romantic partner treats "incel" like shit
>"incel" eventually speaks his mind, lets it be known he won't be treated that way anymore
>romantic partner leaves, cries abuse
many such cases, happened to every guy i know

>>81957256
I don't agree with ops twitter repost slop, but to act like niggers here don't literally want you to think they're the victim and that you should feel bad for them is hilarious

>>81966164
>want you to think they're the victim and that you should feel bad for them
Literally nobody thinks this.

>>81957194 (OP)
>incels
>their romantic partner

So.. were you born retarded? Or did you become retarded after being dropped on the head as a baby?

>>81958443
Its underageb& retard, obviously

>>81957385
Power trip, imagine having a creature that's way stronger and probably smarter than you not only put up with the bullshit but do your bidding with the hope of getting a crumb of pussy someday, which you will not give him. Not every male female friendship is like this, exceptions are childhood friendships or when the girl is legitimately levelheaded and not attractive at the same time, but most play out like above

>>81959971
clown ahh nigga touch grass

>>81957194 (OP)
>Going below the bare minimum = being shorter than 6 ft and not giving her the dark triad tingles

>>81963239
Fucking moron. Go back to xitter

>>81957194 (OP)
>be 29 year old khhv
>it's your own fault because for treating women bad in all the relationships you never had
Emm... well ok

>>81958109
How can I had treated a romantic partner like shit if I never had a romantic partner?
Why do you hate me? leave me alone

>>81967306
because if you're the type of person who treats romantic partners like shit even from the start, you're never going to get a serious chance.

>>81965574
Do something relatable to women. Have literally anything in common with women, you are dodging the very simple and objective statement that men who are attracted to women become ATTRACTED to women

>>81967300
Creating a whole ass identity for yourself based on your own bad choices is literally your fault, retard. The entire point of KHHV is that you don't even try to build relationships.

>>81967352
Most women get to form relationships off a dating app, why can't most guys?
>ohh they're not for you, just try outside
Ignoring the inequality is not a solution

How are guys supposed to be competitive in order to attract women if schools and employers prefer boosting women at men's expense?

>>81967371
>why am I not a woman
I don't know, have you tried hormones? Dating apps are 80-90% male users because they are so much lazier in general. You don't need to be competitive if you actually go outside.

>>81967386
>blaming individuals for systemic issues
>"Men dont need to compete"
Just... so wrong.

>>81967333
That is demonstrably false otherwise women wouldn't be complaining about men like that and that statement doesn't even make any sense. If I never had a "start" in a relationship, then I've never treated a romantic partner in the first place

You date men who treat you "like shit" and then classify them as "incel" because you think an "incel" is someone who hates women, not someone who is celibate not of their own choosing. You scapegoat "incels" and keep dating bad people so you never learn
>you're never going to get a serious chance
This "giving you a chance" shit says more about yourself than the supposed "incels" you deem. It says you are a very narcissistic person who thinks they are God's gift, above everyone else. You aint that respectful a person yourself

>>81967403
>systemic racism is why I can't go outside
You're an idiot. People don't live in a system. You are at fault for your own issues, namely not building relationships in this case. Whether or not it's generally harder for you or easier for you within the system you live is irrelevant, because people have been doing easy and hard things for millennia, and building relationships is nowhere near the same thing as building a house or a new government.

>>81967411
You are objectively incorrect. Many women don't date men who treat them like shit, and literally reject the incels who would. It's not rocket science to figure out what kind of partner a guy would generally be especially if he is as blatant about it as incels are. The post is specifically about those who complain about being lonely rather than compromising even one nanoparticle of self-awareness and respect for women. Incels are generally just extremely narcissistic and expect the entire planet to cater to them.

>>81967352
>a whole ass identity
You mean describing my status? Yeah ok retard
>bad choices
Such as? You don't know me, you don't know my circumstances or my struggles and everyone makes bad choices
>The entire point of KHHV is that you don't even try to build relationships
There is no "point" to it, that's my status, that i'm not exactly happy about. I don't think you know what you are talking about

>>81967442
Describing yourself as sexless is not the flex you think it is. There are no circumstances that would justify using your inexperience as experience, and besides that yeah I don't know how much you are actively trying to build relationships, but this thread is about people who don't try at all.

>>81967417
>systemic racism is why I can't go outside
Strawman.
Systemic racism is why men on average can't be competitive (get higher education, the jobs money which comes from having that), preventing them from keeping the interest of a woman.
No woman is interested in a less educated man with lesser pay. Unless she is exceptional. Merely changing the environment will not solve the competition problem.

>People have struggled for a millenia, therefore the magnitude of the current struggle is irrelevant
This is a smokescreen. Women and minorities have gotten society to rewire itself in order to address societal systemic issues in the name of equality, men deserve to be able to pull the same levers for the same reason.

>>81967455
The anon isn't FLEXING, you retard, they're merely using a word which defines their status factually.

>>81967455
>There are no circumstances that would justify using your inexperience as experience
I dunno, I can think of a few environments where a lack of exposure to things would allow a sense of understanding that you couldn't get while doing it. Forest for the trees and all that.

>>81967482
So you're an uneducated jobless twat who can't even learn social skills? This would be very interesting as a case study, although obviously you are wrong on every point. What do parasites like you do all day?

>>81967437
>Many women don't date men who treat them like shit
And many women do. So what? You clearly do otherwise you wouldn't be complaining so much

> and literally reject the incels who would. It's not rocket science to figure out what kind of partner a guy would generally be especially if he is as blatant about it as incels are. The post is specifically about those who complain about being lonely rather than compromising even one nanoparticle of self-awareness and respect for women. Incels are generally just extremely narcissistic and expect the entire planet to cater to them
All this could had just been summed up as "yes, you are correct, I do conflate unintentionally celibate men with the dickheads I have dated who hate women"

I'm an "incel" (involuntarily celibate) because I have aspergers and I stuggle to connect to others because i'm not that socially developed. That doesn't mean I "disrespect wymyn" or what ever the fuck you think it means. Yes, some incels are bitter because they are incels because they are extremely ugly and they got bullied and rejected and so on and whatever. That does not mean you get to conflate the two, or smear all men who are virgins as a bad person

>>81967490
No the problem is that you see yourself as someone undateable. That labeling and "status" is unjustified if you are ever going to be interested in dating. I understand that normally, it's just used as an excuse to keep making bad choices.

>>81967498
I was talking about men who complain about being lonely. Since they are the ones who seem to have a problem, or maybe your argument is that men can't be lonely?

>some incels are bitter
Brother have you ever talked to an incel in your life? They are fundamentally violent people, it often does take a lot of time for them to come back to reality if they ever do.

>>81967455
>Describing yourself as sexless is not the flex you think it is
Who said it's a "flex"?
Again, you sound confused and have no idea what you are talking about
>There are no circumstances that would justify using your inexperience as experience
What does that even mean? You are not making any sense
>and besides that yeah I don't know how much you are actively trying to build relationships, but this thread is about people who don't try at all
Says you, and only you

>>81967523
>Again, you sound confused and have no idea what you are talking about
What are you talking about?
>What does that even mean? You are not making any sense
It means not doing something is not evidence that you know what you're talking about
>Says you, and only you
Who are you talking to?

>>81967496
Men are having their college and uni admissions, summer internships, and career entries taken from them and given to women. This is a failure of policy, not of personal accomplishment.

So have you understood that women have benefitted from access to systemic levers, whereas men don't, because of sexism?

What *I* am is irrelevant, what's important in this discussion is the topic of systemic change.

>>81967550
I heard about a man who graduated high school and they were still complaining about being "lonely"

>>81967550
Banning porn would definitely help, but men have gotten a little too comfortable staying at home in general. Without some form of scarcity like food shortages or electricity becoming too expensive, I doubt you could get them to relearn how to engage with society. It would have to come with the next generation.

>>81967512
>I was talking about men who complain about being lonely
No you were talking about "incels" which is a very broad term. It means "involuntarily celibate". And there are plenty of men who are lonely and vent about it, that doesn't mean they all hate women. Wtf are you even saying

>Brother have you ever talked to an incel in your life? They are fundamentally violent people
You mean the people you call incels. Again, you don't know what the term means and conflate it with "men who hate women"
You are effectively smearing every man who is virgin and not pleased about it as a bad person and therefore deserve it for treating women they dated poorly which makes no sense because they've never dated in the first place. Could it be that maybe some people just have stuggles that you don't have to think about or relate to?
I've literally never wronged anyone. Why am I being demonised for keeping to myself, or for having trouble socialising and forming a relationship with others? You make no sense

>>81967620
Involuntary celibate doesn't even make sense. Celibacy is the voluntary practice of abstaining from sexual activity, which would even include masturbation.

>why am i being demonised
Oh if you are building healthy relationships I'm not demonizing you at all. I would say that incels in general are awful people who treat women like shit, but obviously in your own personal life it's up to you how good or bad you are. I can't decide that for you

>when the well-adjusted, incel pwning avenger writes more and is more invested in the thread than the incels themselves
he's surely not a hating schizo what a great dude

>>81967571
What does that add to this discussion?

>>81967595
Maybe the next generation. Or, women can be made to recognize the hypocrisy in wanting the partner to be the provider who earns more while simultaneously wanting to earn more than men.

>>81967512
>incels are fundamentally violent people
You're probably racist, lol

>>81967620
there are plenty of men who are lonely and vent about it, that doesn't mean they all hate women.
>You mean the people you call incels. Again, you don't know what the term means and conflate it with "men who hate women"
So true

>You are effectively smearing every man who is virgin and not pleased about it as a bad person and therefore deserve it for treating women they dated poorly which makes no sense because they've never dated in the first place.
You're spitting raw facts.

>I've literally never wronged anyone. Why am I being demonised for keeping to myself, or for having trouble socialising and forming a relationship with others? You make no sense
And normies wonder why young guys are voting more extremely, as if to say "this system doesn't work for us and we want change"

>>81967636
>I would say that incels in general are awful people who treat women like shit
Factually speaking that's not what an incel is, definitionally. The word you're looking for is misogynist.

>>81957194 (OP)
I treat any romantic partners I have pretty well. I am incel because I have mental issues, I generally don't care that much about people, and am very selfish, lazy and don't really have much going for me aside from the fact im vain as fuck and it would be rare for the average woman to find me unattractive.

See, the problem is that I'm not attractive enough to actually get away with this with most women. The secret to getting girls (and friends in general) is to be hot, nice and interesting. I'm sort of hot, but I'm an absolute bore. I've had women fawn over me, but I have to put in work and if I'm not into them (and I rarely am) it doesn't go anywhere.

If you're an incel, think about how much you think about yourself and how much interest you display in others when you talk to people. I've noticed incels are way more self centred than most people are, and I'm not different.

>>81967666
>Factually speaking that's not what an incel is, definitionally. The word you're looking for is misogynist.
Definitionally, incels don't even exist

>>81967666
>women can be made to recognize the hypocrisy
That's not what hypocrisy means. Are you ESL? Anyway if women are lonely because they want a rare type of partner then yes, it would be their fault for creating their own problem. I was under the impression that men were complaining about being lonely for some retarded reason.

>>81967676
>>81967636
>incel means no sexual activity which includes no masturbation
You know exactly what we mean, buddy.
An involuntarily celibate man, who masturbates, and nothing is to be said about his treatment of women or his view of them.

There are vegetarians ...who eat fish. It doesn't mean vegetarians are inherently violent, misogynistic, or don't exist.

>>81967636
>Involuntary celibate doesn't even make sense. Celibacy is the voluntary practice of abstaining from sexual activity, which would even include masturbation
It means abstaining from sex. Involuntarily celibate means you abstain from sex but it wasn't something you chose. It is used as a marker. If you can't even get sex, then you really have a problem, it means you are an outcast or socially inadequate and that isn't a nice place to be in

There can be several reasons for it. Some times it might be your own fault and the problem being something you can change, and sometimes the problem lies on something you can't change. Sometimes people just have to try harder than most other people but can still achieve. And if you can't achieve and overcome that, that's just life. It doesn't mean they are a bad person. Some people who can't achieve might get bitter about it because they feel wronged, they can feel discriminated and targeted for things they couldn't help. But not everyone has that reaction either. Again, "incel" is a broad term

>Oh if you are building healthy relationships I'm not demonizing you at all
Well I can't build any relationship. Not even a friendship. Because i'm autistic. People seem to like me, and treat me ok. but I think they see me sort of like a child in the sense that i'm not socially developed enough, so they don't want to be friends with me. Does that make me a bad person? I don't think so. I never asked to be a retard. This classifies me as an incel. That doesn't mean I want to murder women. That's fucking stupid

>>81967707
How can you be celibate if you masturbate? Vegans who eat meat might call themselves vegans, and yes most vegans in general are obnoxious hypocrites, and I would even extend that to any passive protest where the goal is to shame others rather than champion any position of morality. Still, they are not vegan and they are not celibate.

>>81967729
pick up a dictionary retard

>>81967725
Abstaining means that you chose to do it. You can obviously get sex unless you mean that your reproductive organs don't work? I have known many outcasts who still got married and had kids.

Broad terms are fine, but yeah exceptions exist sometimes.

>>81967739
The dictionary says that vegans normally don't eat meat, so if you're eating a lot of meat and then calling yourself vegan, that's not surprising but it goes against the dictionary definition.

>>81967740
>Abstaining means you choose
Now, how does the leading qualifier "involuntary" change the meaning?

>>81967746
You're just being intentionally ignorant in order to add friction to the flow of this discussion around involuntary celibacy.

>>81967751
>how does the qualifier "cold" change the meaning of "hot fire"
I'm not sure what your point is. Incel is more of a mindset and category of lifestyle choices. That's how the term is used. Nobody on the planet outside of prison cells or chains actually thinks they are forced to be sexless, just that it's too difficult or not worth the effort.

>>81967759
I'm intentionally showing that you cannot be pedantic and also believe that the "involuntary" practice of celibacy could exist. That's like saying dead people are on a diet.

>>81967740
Look, incel means you can't get sex even though you are not purposefully abstaining. Which means there is something wrong with you. You can split hairs all you want but that's what it means when the term was created and used

>You can obviously get sex unless you mean that your reproductive organs don't work?
Let me rephrase it as CONSENSUAL then. Happy?

>>81967764
>forced to be sexless
Not what incel means you dumb whore.

>>81967770
They can get sex if they wanted to, I think we can agree on that much. Consensual and everything. They often just have a lifestyle that precludes the first steps of a relationship, and often realize too late.

>>81967338
>do something relatable to women
Like what? Ive been to a couple of dance classes but they werent any women there, none at church or volunteering either
So what activities are you talking avout

>>81967759
he won the title of celschizo. looking forward to spot his threads in the future and hide them after calling his meds needing ass out

>>81967785
Ask around your town, don't ask online. Every town can be different in it's culture, and if you look for things online you'll never fit in.

>>81967782
Who said that's what incel means, you dumb chatbot? We both said that incels often still have sex.

>>81967798
>Who said that's what incel means, you dumb chatbot?
You just said that bitch. That's why I told you that's not what it means; read what you typed.

>>81967783
>They often just have a lifestyle that precludes the first steps of a relationship, and often realize too late
Such as?

It can be a factor. for some, yes. It doesn't mean that it is impossible either. But the point is, they struggle with something. That is attracting the opposite sex
Anyways, i've made my point. You are just splitting hairs now

>>81967790
>ask around your town
>but dont talk to people in the street since thats creepy and illegal
How then

>>81967809
Such as not talking to people. I wasn't talking about factors, I was talking about lifestyle choices that specifically create a 0% chance of success or progress. You don't need to attract an entire gender to live a normal human life, but you do need to start with personally being attracted to living and being around other people.

>>81967810
How what? I said don't ask online, ask real people in your town that understand the local culture.

Lol. This anon is simply retarded.
"incels don't exist, but they're all inherently violent, they can get sex any time"
Talking about "cold fire". Lol. Anons, the anon knows what we mean when we say involuntary celibate. They're just sliding.

Reminder that women benefit at men's expenses. Never vote for a political party that does not serve YOUR best interests.

>>81967837
Everyone knows what we are talking about when we say "incels are violent," there have been thousands of articles and studies on this shit.

>>81967843
Post one thousand meta analyses URLs which prove that I am violent.

>>81967854
>source?
Based. you are an individual with individual free will. you don't need to define yourself by the violent actions of other incels.

>>81967865
Unfortunately, people try and label incels as violent.

Women still prefer their male partners to bring home the bacon while simultaneously sucking up men's opportunities for upward mobility, training, education, certification, and qualification. (Diversity activism and quotas)

>>81967885
I wouldn't really care about women's preferences since I'm not a PUA self-help brainwashed freak. But if I was single, I would start by building relationships with women that I liked, and I would prefer to be in a relationship myself.

>>81967843
yet you won't provide a shred of evidence for your claims, curious

>be god
>gives me uncontrolable deep attraction to women
>also makes me ugly, short and socially retarded
this feels like im being trolled desu senpai

Here are just some of the things you will learn about and from women when you argue with them.
>They're pure evil, with zero remorse.
>They lack critical thinking.
>They want to be raped, beaten up, sexually assaulted, etc.
>They don't value genuine connection.
>They blame men for their own choices.
>They demand everything and give nothing in return.
>They see kindness, loneliness, and emotion as weakness and boring.
>They crave attention.
>They confuse dominance for passion.
>They see men as disposable.

>>81967937
>debatebros think women want to be graped
yeah women were 100% right about you people

>>81967834
>Such as not talking to people. I wasn't talking about factors, I was talking about lifestyle choices that specifically create a 0% chance of success or progress. You don't need to attract an entire gender to live a normal human life, but you do need to start with personally being attracted to living and being around other people
For some perhaps. But not all. Sometimes people are just straight up ugly that no one wants to be near them. Which is sad and I can understand if they have some resentment

For me personally, not seeing women is a big factor. But there are reasons why I don't see women much, reasons I can't really change, maybe work around. I'm a sensory sperg. It's really bad, it's ruined my life. Had to leave school at 12 years old because of it. So I have to manage myself carefully or I become nonfunctional
Things just aren't straight forward for me. Even if I could find some activity that I could do routinely to socialise with others, i'm not even sure how far I'd be able to get with forming friendships and a romantic relationship. I could never really do that

>>81967952
You're the one who is debating the most on this thread and you have the gall to call others debatebros, jfl at your existence, subhuman. Jigsaw should trap you and put you in a torture trap.

>>81967952
>women were 100% right
Kek

>>81967955
Straight ugly people date other straight ugly people. Either way they have options, they just might see it as not worth it.

>>81967958
Oh I was just saying women were right about the lunatics who treat women like shit.

>>81967961
Well that's how it should work, but it doesn't unfortunately

>>81967967
You're the lunatic.

>>81967976
How so? You can open up tiktok right now and find plenty of ugly couples, where the man is straight ugly.

>>81967978
If I said something like "men want to be slaves, men want to be trans" then yeah I would be a lunatic. Are you retarded?

>>81967988
You basically said.
>women are right that incels are lunatics that treat women like garbage
Yeah, I'm the retard here, no, you're the fucking retard.

>>81967636
I can honestly say I have never been around a woman long enough to treat one like shit. I'm not sure what you think I do.
In fact, I'd say the fact that I'm so averse to "toxic" behavior, is why I struggle so hard. Women will protest about it, but they ultimately don't like you unless you're a bit of a predator.
I can prove this by noting all of the violent men I've known in my life who have had no trouble getting girlfriends, and all of the women I've known who have ended up in relationships where they get beaten up. Every one of you will know these people.

>>81968016
>yeah bro, men want to be transgender
What the hell is wrong with you?

>>81968025
We know you have a tranny fetish, it's okay faggot.

>>81968022
I can't relate to that at all. None of the girls in my social circle are getting beaten up. I think there is a problem when the women in your social circle are saying they don't want to be punched in the face, and then guys like you keep punching them in the face, but there are probably many factors involved like poverty and drugs.

I wasn't asking if you are averse to toxic behavior or struggle, but yeah obviously if you spend your time alone rather than with those women then you won't develop relationships with women. There's always a tradeoff, and if in you drug addicted neighborhood you need to punch a woman to date her, then that's the reality of your community.

>>81968040
You're proving my point. This logic applies perfectly you fucking retard.

>men who claim that women want to be graped simply have a grape fantasy.
and then some of these fucking asshole men have the nerve to complain about being lonely.

>>81967834
>just talk to people?
How? I have autism.
If people don't want to talk to be about my narrow window of interests, I'm basically lost.
I also need other people to initiative conversations, otherwise I don't know they're "open".
And again, I simply don't know where I'm supposed to go to talk to people. "outside" isn't enough. "go to le activities" isn't enough.
I come to 4chan to have conversations, because it's the only place in the world that makes sense. Where people don't immediately exclude you from their group, before they know who you are, or what you have to say. Where people don't get mad at you because you said something you thought was perfectly straight forward and normal.

>>81967984
Because a lot of ugly people are really insecure about it and pretend to not be ugly by having high standards. Some sort of defence mechanism. Usually ugly women who do this. It leaves many ugly men with no options

>>81968071
If your narrow window of interests include dating or romance or friendship, then you're not lost. Don't ask online, ask people in your local community. If you truly have autism then it's even easier to get started, even if it's functionally harder to make progress.

>>81968058
>asshole men have the nerve to complain about being lonely.
>men are now assholes for being lonely

>>81968098
>thinking that men can ever be lonely
its over

>>81967769
>I'm intentionally showing that you cannot be pedantic
Calling you out for claiming that all incels are misogynistic is not being pedantic. You're trying to add unnecessary friction on more levels than he called you out for, because you're a feminist moron who can't argue in good faith.

>I'm intentionally showing that you cannot be pedantic and also believe that the "involuntary" practice of celibacy could exist.
First of all, pedantry doesn't need to be applied on every level with every definition. You don't even know what being pedantic is.
Secondly, and more importantly, you know exactly what we mean when we speak of involuntary celibacy, and it does not definitionally include celibacy.
If you can't agree to even meet us half way on this matter, see your way out of this discussion, you disingenuous worm.

>>81968103
You're just straight fucking retarded.

>>81968108
If you think incel just means involuntary celibate, then you're a moron who doesn't know what he's talking about.

>>81968044
When I was a teenager I didn't have a lot of friends, and basically ended up in a "friendship" with the local psycho, because no one else wanted to talk to him, and no one else wanted to talk to me.
This man has been in at least two relationships with women that ended in him beating them up. He also used to torture animals.
I've known at least two older women who married men and ended up getting beaten up.
All of the people who bullied me as a kid did fine with women. I did not.
You start to see themes developing here.

>>81968117
>someone is now retarded for being correct

>>81968088
>Don't ask online, ask people in your local community.
My local community has rejected me. It's too painful to insert myself in it again.

>If you truly have autism then it's even easier to get started, even if it's functionally harder to make progress.
If it's functionally harder to make progress, the. It's functionally harder to get started, since getting started is fucking pointless.

>>81968127
The theme of you fixating on violence toward innocent women? That says more about you. If you find a woman who is into that stuff, then yeah you'll be fine I guess. Many women hate that shit.

>>81968130
Nah, you're just retarded.

>>81957194 (OP)
I don't have romantic partners. I barely get any matches in dating apps, and IRL I am not surrounded by a lot of women my age.

>>81968088
that's not how that works. Friends are gained through shared fixations. I get along with other people who like the stuff I like. That is how it has always worked.

>>81968139
>it's pointless to do what I am interested in
Okay that's your decision to make. I played sports with an autistic guy who later joined church and got married through that community. Do whatever feels right for you.

>>81968122
If you're tacking on extra baggage onto a simple definition, you're a retard who can't make arguments without intentional fallacies.

>>81968088
>If you truly have autism then it's even easier to get started
What do you even mean by that?

>>81968155
The interest in heterosexual relationships is a shared fixation, buckeroo. The entire concept of "night life" exists around this fixation. That's how it always works. It is preferable that you have more in common than just wanting to hang out, but most activities can become social and most social behavior can branch out into other activities.

>>81968156
>Okay that's your decision to make.
It's not. It's just an observation.

>I played sports with an autistic guy who later joined church and got married through that community.
Apparently he wasn't that autistic, then
Autism is not a monolithic condition.

>>81968122
Personally, I don't think you're truly one unless you're a virgin past the age of like 20.
A man who get women, just not as often as he wants, does not count. That could be any man.

>>81968161
Nobody was talking about simple definitions, especially when the simple definition doesn't make any sense.

>>81968142
>noticing = fixating
You're the one who accused me of being violent, and blamed my social problems on that. I'm simply telling you the exact opposite is true. Violent men thrive socially.

>>81964698
>This should tell you that there is no real "friendship" between the sexes, platonism doesn't exist on an objective level, and that they, themselves are aware that their "just a friend" is a lie
Does that mean that every male with a sister wants to fuck her?

>>81968173
Involuntary celibate is a pretty easy definition to understand, maybe you're just too stupid to understand it honey.

>>81968165
I'm not "interested in heterosexual relationships". That's not a subject, it's a biological function.
I'm not interested in taking a shit either.

>>81968168
>It's not. It's just an observation.
Nobody said anything about observations. Did you go to any social events yesterday or not? What choice did you make?

>Apparently he wasn't that autistic, then
He is more autistic than you. It's not supposed to be a monolith, but it is a disability.

>>81968173
>Nobody was talking about simple definitions,
We were. You're just trying to make it complicated.

>especially when the simple definition doesn't make any sense.
It makes perfect sense. It's been explained to you multiple times, and on multiple occasions you have plugged your ears to it. Cope and seethe.

>>81968184
>>81968202
It's easy to understand that it doesn't make sense. You cannot practice celibacy involuntarily, so you would only say that as a joke.

>>81968206
It is the official definition and is accepted by pretty much everybody except for you

>>81968189
If you are saying that humans socialize as naturally as they take shits, yes I agree.

>>81968220
Non-autistic ones maybe. I have a disability that specifically makes this difficult.

>>81968215
Pretty much everyone calls incels lazy and that they treat women like shit, that it's originally their fault for isolating themselves. The foreveralone meme never went that far, why is that?

>>81968230
Define "treating women like shit"

>>81968229
Taking a shit can also be difficult. If a doctor says you can't talk to anyone then yeah you'll have to deal with a life without talking to anyone

>>81968230
Because the modern world is filled with dumb whores like you obviously.

>>81968192
>Nobody said anything about observations.
I just did, cretin. What a stupid statement to make.

>Did you go to any social events yesterday or not?
Nope.

>What choice did you make?
None, regarding social events on Friday. There were no social events that I could have benefited from.
Regarding the night of Friday itself, I decided to work a bit with some arts and crafts, then ran for two hours.
Productive night, but not social.

>He is more autistic than you.
Unlikely.

>>81968253
>Nope.
Curious.
>There were no social events that I could have benefited from.
This mindset is precisely the problem. Not autism. I admire your conviction and confidence though, you would have had a very easy time in another life.

>>81968247
I think that's fine to be born in le wrong generation, but in a world full of dumb whores and violent incels, you still have to navigate what kind of life you personally want.

>>81968241
But I'm not happy with that, and I think people should do more to help me.
It's not even that hard. Just make an effort to include autistic people in things. Refer to them directly by using their name, instead of doing your silent signalling bullshit.

>>81968270
>please use my preferred pronouns
Just include yourself in things that other autistic people do. Build on top of that and reach out to others who have similar interests and want to be part of something greater than just pretending to have a disability.

>>81968268
>le wrong generation
Nobody is saying that you dumb whore.

>>81968286
There was some retard earlier who said it

>>81968281
I can't "include myself". There needs to be a clear invitation.
And yes, I think with all of the work that has been done to facilitate transgenders, I should receive the same sympathy. My needs are considerably simpler. I just need people to make an effort to include me in things, and communicate their intentions in a straight forward manner.

>>81968206
>You cannot practice celibacy involuntarily
"Celibacy" in this context not counting masturbation, prostitutes or rape, which you already are aware of but intentionally ignore because you can't discuss the actual topic of the discussion.

>>81968230
>Pretty much everyone calls incels lazy and that they treat women like shit
Okay. Pretty much everyone knows that niggers are more likely to commit violent crimes.
That doesn't mean that all niggers are criminals.

>>81968298
Invite other autists. What is stopping you?

>>81968304
I need people's open consent before I can talk to them.
You can just "read vibes" and tell when someone is up to talk. I can't. I need the verbal signal in order to get anywhere.

>>81968302
>celibacy in this context is the opposite of celibacy
what?

>doesn't mean
then what are you yapping about? besides the difference between skin color and your personal toxic ideology, obviously everyone understands where to draw the line between people we trust and people we dont trust, let alone morality.

>>81968313
Nobody said anything about verbal signals. If your choices are getting you nowhere, try to make better choices.

>>81968325
I don't choose to have a disability. The moral obligation is on society to help me.

>>81968330
Society is made up of people like you. It's your choice how to participate.

>>81968344
>you don't need a wheelchair ramp. It's your choice if you want to use your legs or not

>>81968356
The difference is that people in wheelchairs actually go outside in spite of their disability. They made the choice to access a public location, and the public obliged over time to make places easier to access. It's even easier for people with mental disorders.

>>81968265
>This mindset is precisely the problem.
That mindset is an observation of reality.
You mention social events as if some may actually result in non platonic relationships with women. That is not my observation.
I have no connection to these people. I'm an outsider and nobody is interested in associating with me. I can attempt to do things your way, fail and spiral into suicidal depression again, or I can behave logically and continue my journey in fitness.

>you would have had a very easy time in another life.
In a life where I wasn't autistic, I wouldn't be me. I don't want to be neurotypical, and I don't think I'm actually worse off as a potential partner just because I'm not a charming golden retriever.

>>81968372
>That mindset is an observation of reality.
Nobody said anything about observation. It was the mindset that created the problem in the first place on that Friday night. This can be changed depending on intentions.

>I have no connection to these people.
That's why connecting and developing relationships helps. When you become more connected then your observation would be to be more connected.

>I don't want to be healthy
That's not the question. The question is if you want to have a non platonic relationship with a woman.

>>81968316
>>celibacy in this context is the opposite of celibacy
Not having sex isn't an opposite of "not having sex or masturbating". You're stupid.

>besides the difference between skin color and your personal toxic ideology,
Being an incel isn't an ideology.

>obviously everyone understands where to draw the line between people we trust and people we dont trust,
Not what we're talking about here.
Not all niggers are criminals. Not all incels are misogynists.

>>81968400
>isn't an opposite
Engaging in sexual activity with a prostitute or masturbating is not celibacy, you moron.

>isn't an ideology
it is.

>Not all incels are misogynists.
That's true

>all these obtuse retarded posts
Holy fuck, a thread with actual normie on /r9k/!
How cancderous.

>>81968419
Just wait until you see how retarded the non-normies are.

>>81968385
>Nobody said anything about observation.
I said it. Stop with this "nobody" shit immediately.

>It was the mindset that created the problem in the first place on that Friday night.
Reality created the problem. It would exist whether I acknowledged reality or not.

>That's why connecting and developing relationships helps.
There's no way in.

>That's not the question.
I wasn't responding to a question.

>>81968407
>Engaging in sexual activity with a prostitute or masturbating is not celibacy, you moron.
Not having sex isn't an opposite of "not having sex or masturbating," as I said.

>it is.
Cope.

>That's true
Then don't conflate the two. It helps no one.

>>81968179
If you describe your blood relation as "friendship"...that's on you.

poasting in a 500 reppey thread!!!

>>81968469
Its all two autists and a redditor troll thobeit

This thread is so bizarre
This ledditor seems to want to change peoples minds, but types the most obtuse shit
Why?

>>81968458
so you think it's still celibacy if you have sex?

>>81968435
>I said it
Where?
>Reality created the problem
The reality is that you chose to stay away from opportunities to build relationships, why is that?
>There's no way in.
There was never any way to be out. You just choose not to participate.
>I wasn't responding to a question.
Oh that's a good thing actually. There was someone in this thread who implied they wanted a non platonic relationship with a woman.

>>81968370
i go outside. Then I walk past all of the other people and go home, because I have no way of knowing who it's acceptable to interact with.

>>81968549
How did you learn how to walk if you don't know where it's acceptable to use your feet?

>>81968519
Hey mr ledditor, answer my question >>81968519

>>81968555
Its a good thing you're talking to someone with autism, because this post would have given sway that you're trolling him.
Not that the rest of this shit thread wasnt enough.

>>81968557
Because the people who are actually trying will understand what I mean and how to come back down to reality, in spite of their current emotional state. The people who just want to bucketcrabmaxx and be disingenuous are just yapping, and I like yapping too.

>>81968571
>will understand
Very naive statement.
You're in autism: the board.
>doesnt deny he's a ledditor
kek

>>81968568
Yeah well that's obvious to anyone. The guy knows where it's acceptable to socialize, he just doesn't want to (or he's larping as someone who avoids social activities)

>>81968488
just women thinking they can change reality through vibes and willful delusion.

>>81968579
Autistic people still try sometimes. Denying something retarded like using plebbit which also has plenty of lonely pieces of shit is clearly meaningless to you. Try doing something like assuming which country I am from.

>>81968555
I don't have a walking disability, genius.

>>81968586
I suspect an IT poster, personally.

>>81968594
But you learned how to walk, and the reason you gave is that you do not know where it is acceptable to use your feet. Knowledge is different from ability,.

>>81968593
>supposedly wants to change peoples minds
>chooses the worst way to put forth his message
lmao

>>81968581
Where is it acceptable to socialise? We've established I can't just walk up to someone in the street, and I can't just walk up to someone in a bar, and that "hobby groups" are a giant meme that hardly even exist, and rarely have available women.
So where do you go, actually?
>you should have met someone when you were in highschool like a normal person!
Okay, well I'm not.

>>81968595
Scratch that, I am now convinced its an IT poster >>81968604
This is clearly low effort bullying, and sadly one brother is falling for it

>>81968593
I did try. I spent years walking around town, hoping something would happen, and it didn't.
So I'm asking, where do I go, and what do I do?
If your only answer is "go to social events and socialise", then that's a circular argument.

>>81968604
Some people never learn to walk. That's what a disability is. I have a social disability, and a sensory processing disability.

>>81968636
It's not just low effort bullying. These women literally get off on making men feel bad.

>>81968619
1. Generally speaking and if I was even trying to be manipulative, one of the more effective ways to confront confirmation bias is not to argue with it, but to redirect that same confirmation bias in another direction. But I already admitted that I'm just yapping because most people are here for entertainment, not to change their minds.

2. I assume you did the "choose the worst option" meme on purpose because otherwise that would be peak irony in this context.

>>81968636
It doesn't matter if it is a troll. the point is you have the argument over and over again, until your points get out. That's how 4chan works, and why it has caused such massive social change. Eventually people just have to start listening.

>>81968662
>blah blah blah yes i am just bullshitting
Thank you.
Autistanon you can stop wasting your time with this ledditor now

>>81968668
Eventually you'll have to shut the fuck up and sit down woman, hopefully in our lifetimes that'll happen.

>>81968640
Where do you think you should go? As someone who tried, you should have a clear understanding of your local weekly social events and activities.

>>81968650
Then your reasons for not socializing should be that a doctor told you that you are unable to talk to people, not that you don't know where to talk to people.

>>81968681
>you should have a clear understanding of your local weekly social events and activities.
No. How the fuck do you learn that? I walk down the street and go home. There's nothing there.

>>81968680
I mean yeah that's why women are rejecting assholes like you. Your lifetime will be defined by your refusal to treat people with respect.

>>81968693
Do you think you're being respectful?

>>81968693
You're such a cool bully, you know that? Lots of guys would love to have hateful sex with you.

>>81968691
>How the fuck do you learn that?
By trying to socialize and learning from mistakes and the guidance of people around you who have tried before you. It won't come from me, it will come from the local community members who already understand the local culture.

>>81968704
So we're back "just hassle people on the street"?

>>81968703
Are they gay?
>>81968702
No and you should reject me for it. That's how it works, simple as.

>>81968716
I don't see the point of being mean to people. I'm not wired that way.

>>81968712
Why do you think that socializing has anything to do with "hassle," are you an abusive violent criminal?

>>81968668
Apples and oranges.
You can SAY all you like muh personality and socialization will solve the problems of ugly, autistic short men.
Doesnt mean it will.

>>81968725
So walk up to old man on street, give a firm handshake, offer a box of chocolates, and then ask if there are any good events happening?
That man would think I was robbing him in about two seconds.

>>81968712
Anon this bitch literally admitted to trolling you, you can stop now.

>>81968743
It doesn't matter. You tear the argument apart for the audience. It's never about the troll. It's about societal change.

>>81968729
It worked for me. Everyone has problems but not everyone wants to solve them. Certain types of retards blame others for their own problems and then don't even have a reason for why anyone should care which is wild to me.

>>81968738
Why are you talking to anyone on the street? Where do you personally believe that human beings socialize in your local town, and if you get this wrong then I understand you have never even tried to go outside.

>>81968773
I think they go to places as groups, or go to each others homes. I don't believe there is anywhere you can go as a lone man and simply meet people.
If I'm wrong, list the places that you think exist. Don't say something dumb like "the theater".

>>81968750
>societal change
>revealing that autistic people are violent and would only ever hassle random innocent people on the street if they were given the opportunity
baka

>>81968786
I mean, that's what we're doing here isn't it? I'm hassling you. The difference is it's acceptable here.
I'd be like this everywhere in real life, if I felt I could get away with it.

>>81968785
So no, you have never tried to go outside before or socialize. Transplants, migrants, ex-pats, tourists, all kinds of people solve the problem you claim is impossible all the time every single day of every year throughout history.

The theater is a good place, I just don't think anything I say will resonate with you. It cannot come from me, it has to come from someone in your local community. You can start at the fucking unemployment office, or a therapists office, or the community center, if you are that dumb, but it will always lead into whatever direction is applicable for your locality, not what I did in mine.

>>81968797
>I'd be disingenuous everywhere in real life
Yeah you can change that if you wanted a more intimate or trustworthy relationship.

>>81968281
>be me
>12 years old
>at school in library
>classmates all looking at Guinness book of records or some book with random facts or some shit
>they are all pointing at cars
>see dinosaur and get excited
>impulsively blurt out "look!" while pointing to the dinosaur
>everyone around the table looks at me like I just shit on the desk and in unison told me to shut up no one cares
>sit down and shut up and never speak to them again about things I am interested in

>>81968838
>greentextmaxxing about an interest in dinosaurs which is one of the most normie things you could be interested in
Tick tock!

>>81968858
I'm sorry for having an interest in dinosaurs... please forgive me... I didn't mean any offence

>>81968892
Its okay normie, it happens to the best of us.

>>81968810
Those people don't have autism, and a lot of them are going to arrive with their friends and families.
The theater is not a good place to socialise. It's a dark room where people are expected to be quiet.
A good place would be a place where you can simply go, and all bets are off. You can talk to anyone, about anything, and no one will throw you out. As far as I can see, that place doesn't exist, apart from here on the internet.

>>81968926
Most of them do have autism. Theaters have events and cafeterias and lobbies/foyers. You don't know what a theater is. You should be fantasizing about places that don't exist, you should be going to places that do exist, if you want a non platonic relationship with a woman.

>>81968858
>dinos
>at 12 years old
>normie
Que?

>>81969001
>Theaters have events and cafeterias and lobbies/foyers
No they don't. What the fuck?

>>81969001
Telling an obviously autistic guy to socialize with strangers at a fucking cafeteria (weird even for normies) is wild.
You should stick to the hobby advice, that at least has a sliver of chance.
...Except as an autist is hobbies are probably sausagefest.

>>81969037
What do you think a foyer is, lil bro?

>>81969041
>inb4 he should fake interest in hobbies with women

>>81969041
I'm not telling to socialize at a cafeteria. I'm saying many people socialize there. It's his choice where he starts socializing, I'm just telling him to connect with people in his local community, either through normal means like events and activities or through more guided means like counseling and coaching.

>>81969043
It's where you buy tickets and wait for the movie to start. You're not supposed to hang out there.

>>81969096
Nobody said anything about movies. Movie theaters are cringe. You should focus on places where you are supposed to hang out, not argue about things nobody even was talking about.

>>81969058
Maybe with their friends, who they already have, who they came to see the movie with.
I've also never seen a theatre with a cafeteria. what Americashittery is this?

>>81969106
I don't know where an adult is even supposed to hangout, apart from pubs, which also feel like places people go with their friends. I can't just walk in and start hassling people.

>>81969113
theaters in europe having dining halls too. i don't know what you guys have in africa, that's why you should ask other africans. making friends is a function of socializing, it just depends on how you want to spend your time.

I can just picture some poor ndcel running around a festival or bar and shakily trying to start a conversation with strangers.
>"D-d-did you like that song? I liked that song...
Jesus christ, a ticket to asia would be better.

>>81969124
They do not have dining halls. What the fuck are you talking about?

>>81969127
i've seen it work in dive bars. after the 5th or 6th friday night, the incel knows the regulars at least and has a few friends. but yes, obviously incels are very weird and will need to learn over time to not be weird.

>>81969123
don't tell me about where you can't go, just go to places where you can go.

>>81969123
Realistically the only answers is bars, but even these can vary from culture to culture.
People generally dont mingle outside friend groups in bars in the cunt I live.
Coincidentally a survey found 20% of the men in my cunt dont have a close friend.

>>81969141
I can go out on the street, or to a supermarket.

>>81969133
I was talking about theaters. Some people have never gone outside so it won't make much sense to them

>>81969150
Show me one theater that has a dining hall.

>>81969141
>friends
>5th or 6th night
lmao what
What definition of friend are we using here? Did you mean aquintance?

>>81969148
the streets are usually connected to other places, nobody socializes in a supermarket. you should find places that people socialize at.

>>81969158
most theaters have some form of cafe or dining area. some are literally dinner theaters. you eat between the acts.

>>81969163
Yeah sure you can say acquaintance. And then you can go with your acquaintances to other places. Lol did you mean you don't know how people have a social life?

>>81969205
>meet person 6 times
>friend
IT-anon...
>actually proposing incels try to socialize in a bar
>a fucking bar
Again: you would probably be way more convincing if you pushed the hobby angle.

>>81969279
at a dive bar, where many guys are already creepy or awkward.

>>81969279
hobbies don't matter. socializing matters. you can socialize wherever your local community does, and you'll be fine.

>>81969327
If he found a hobby he liked he couls socialize with other people who like that hobby.
Telling incels to throw themselves into bars or fucking theaters is not a realistic solution.

>>81969351
i didn't say anyone should go to bars or theaters. a "hobby" is retarded though, and this other anon already mentioned he has hobbies that don't help him socialize. i'm saying he should socialize first.

>>81967790
So just bother random people in the street asking them where da wahmen at?
Seems creepy and predatory

>>81969381
Then what places would you suggest?

>>81969383
is that what you see in your town? random people bothering each other? or are you just saying that you are an abusive narcissist?

>>81969402
i suggest the places that make sense for your culture and town. a theater would be great! but also you can ask local tour guides, security people, information receptionists, i don't know what your circumstances are. community events happen all the time, talk to vendors or volunteers or just use common sense.

>>81969443
>local tour guides, security people, vendors
What the fuck kek

>>81969473
Tour guides will know of local places that are more social, security people will have experience at those places, and vendors are literally forced to socialize as part of their business. Are you just a troll?

>>81969507
Why would my town have a tour guide? It's an ex-industrial town, that's rapidly decaying.

>>81969507
All this info, and much more up to date in all likelihood, could be found with normie relatives, colleagues or even an online forum for whatever city you live in.
Saying you should ask fucking tour guides and security personnel on where to socialize is fucking bizarre.

>>81969545
>uhm excuse me do you knew where people hang out in this town? Im t-totally new around here haha
this guys not a troll
hes a fucking comedian

>>81969537
why would you live in a decaying town if you are single?

>>81969545
most cities don't really have much online resources that i've seen. a tour guides literal job is to answer those kinds of questions, but yeah you can ask bartenders to be more comfortable. anything is "bizarre" to anyone in a different culture, that's why you should hang out with people from your own culture. relatives often don't know shit, just go out and socialize.

>>81969537
Not any of these people talking and unrelated, but whereabouts is this decaying ex-industrial town and why is it decaying? Just curious.

>>81969561
I was thinking the same thing. How fucking hilarious would it be if someone pretended to be "alone" or "lonely" in fucking 2025 when its so easy to connect with people.

>>81969576
IT-sama, these shallow "friends" as you called them are not connections.
You strike me as the type of person who includes colleagues you like and occasionally joke with as friends

>>81969605
That would be really interesting to me, anyway this other anon was trying to say he wants a non platonic relationship with a woman, but doesn't even try to build a relationship which is wild.

>>81969614
No shit, he's autistic, probably introverted and likely had several bad experiences before. And here you are telling him to "jusy socialize" in a fucking dive bar kek

>>81969569
I was born here, and probably have at least some level of agoraphobia.

>>81969657
I was born a baby, but I no longer wear diapers.

>>81969648
Thinking that autistic people don't socialize is wild. Have you ever been outside?

>>81969667
You said you dont understand why he doesnt try to socialize
You dont see why autism might be relevant here?
IT-kun pls...

>>81969723
Imagine saying something so retarded as "autists don't socialize" be for fucking real right now lil bro

>>81969736
>lil bro
Why do foids type like this?

>>81969736
>getting this troggered for being reminded autism affects the ability to socialize
Did I burst your just world fallacy bubble, sweaty?

>>81969768
using the laziness fallacy doesn't help anyone solve their own problem.

>>81969785
>m-muh laziness
kek
I didnt even say autists dont ever socialize, i said it might affect this anon in particular, and i mentioned other potential factors
Why so triggered sweetie?

>>81969802
>suddenly its muh factors
two minutes ago you were incapable of understanding any level of nuance. what happened? do you really want him to spend his life alone?

>>81969822
>dodging this hard
I accept your surrender, IT-kun

>>81969822
Explain how "le go outside and talk to people" is going to help any autistic person.

>>81969831
surrendermaxxing is based. thinking that autists never socialize is wild.

>>81969839
because if they spend time on the internet they will mainly be surrounded by assholes like you who will make them feel helpless and destined to be single. that's part of it.

>>81969840
>ITfag literslly putting words in peoples mouths because he backed himself into a retarded position
kek

>>81969840
I'm an autist, and have struggled to make friends for the better part of twenty years at this point. I only really managed it when I was a kid, and that's because kids will make friends over basically anything.
>>81969854
At least on the internet people talk to me. Outside is quite literally nothing. I go outside every day. I don't know what you expect me to find there.

>>81969854
Throwing someone who cant swim into the ocean does not help them learn, i am sorry to tell you

>>81969860
Now imagine if someone on here was pretending to be "lonely" in 2025. Then you'd really have a laugh.

>>81969875
>u-ur all pretending
IT-babby...

>>81969873
Using analogies without context doesn't help you make any sense. If he wants to learn to swim, then he should start by learning to swim in water. You can't learn to swim by just thinking about it, you need to do it.

>>81969868
>I go outside every day
The other anon objectively does not. He doesn't even know where people in his own town socialize.

>>81969897
I am the other anon. I'm telling you, there's nothing there.

>>81969888
Name one (1) single way that you are solving loneliness.

>>81969910
If there was nothing there you would not have a problem. You just wouldn't even exist, retarded chatbot.

>>81969897
If you think going into fucking dive bars, as a lonely autist with no friends, as this guy is, is a good start to socialize you are beyond retarded.

>>81969933
I'm saying I have personally seen the most ridiculous types of autists still find friends through dive bars, there are infinite other examples especially in the tranime and collectables and gaymer spaces. It's not my problem that you think autists never socialize in a world full of autists that socialize

>>81969916
You first, IT-tard.
How is your out of toch advice on /r9k/ working out so far?
How old are you anyway? 40+?

>>81969954
>no you first
Lol so you were pretending the whole time?

>>81969952
Oh, I see.
You think poorly socialized dork = autist
A common normie belief.

>>81969952
The fact that autism is a social impairment is something that has been scientifically studied.
"well I met one of the lucky ones" isn't an argument.

>>81969966
I never pretended to be solving others loneliness. Not my problem.

>>81969971
I was talking about diagnosed autists. If you think autist = person who chooses to be alone, you're wrong.

>>81969973
Tell me how I know you have never read any studies on autism or how to deal with it socially?

>>81969966
>dodging the age question
Calling it: 50+, if not older. Possibly a woman.

>>81969982
Not about others loneliness. I was saying people are pretending to be "lonely" for attention and then dodge any questions about how they are personally trying to solve that. You won't find anyone in here actually going out

>>81969986
Post these studies you've clearly read, then. You clearly have a lot of free time.

>>81969996
>autists are not very social
Whoa...

>>81969986
I was diagnosed autistic as a child

QRD on this thread. I don't want to accidentally read a woman's retarded post here

>>81970000
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7670840/

>>81970010
so do we have a loneliness problem or do we have a mental retardation problem? we don't know what causes autism quite yet but that should be the subject of the discussion it seems

>>81970090
>training
>literally acknowledging autism affects
KEK