i'm not very happy with my body so i want to know if i could get anything out of fitness for strength/appearance or if i should just give up and focus solely on cardio for health over everything else. my main problem is that i have the same shoulder size as a teenage girl. all clothes look terrible on me and i get fashion advice from ftm tranny forums.
my greatest desire is for somebody to determine if i should give up or keep trying. i'll listen if the opinion seems well informed. i'm 23 years old, a khhv, haven't talked to a woman my age in a casual setting in almost a decade, and starting to recognize that i'm way too old to feel insecure about my body. it's wasting my life. i want to know if trying to become involved in that sphere (sex, relationships) is even worth it or if i should abstain. the latter hasn't been bad so far. i've gone around 2 weeks without masturbating and my erections are being less frequent as time passes because frankly any thought of sex makes me want to kill myself. i just want to stop thinking of it forever and focus on myself, just like all the woman advice says ('cultivate a better relationship with yourself!', 'become an interesting person!', 'women will like you when they're older and want a partnership instead of a fling!') but honestly i care more about feeling good about myself than i do connecting with people. ideally i'd be alone forever with my hobbies.

relevant body stats
>race
white
>height
5'8.5"
>weight
135 pounds
>biacromial length
13.5-14 inches depending on how i measure
>waist
30"
>chest
37"
>hips
36"
>len length (roughly so some margin of error)
39
>torso length (roughly
21
>ratio of leg to torso length (roughly)
1.857
>leg to body ratio (roughly)
0.56
>wrist circumference
6"
>stretched flaccid penis length (because why not i already have the tape measure out lol)
5.7"
>DIAMETERS of chest, waist, and hips as measured from front (inches)
11/11/15
>hand length from wrist to middle finger
7.5"
>width of middle of out stretched hand
3.5"
>2D:4D ratio
0.89

i can provide any other requested measurements that might be necessary to make a decision

>>81957260
also i measured my clavicle and it's about 6 inches, so what the hell is up with my biacromial length. the internet says i have an average clavicle length but a <10th percentile biacromial length. i measured from bump to bump with bump in multiple ways and i got the same range of measurements every time

please somebody reply to my post

>>81957474
>short
You should kill yourself

>>81957487
i was hoping for a more nuanced opinion. if i wanted an opinion that blunt and callous i would've gone to looksmax forums instead

>>81957260
nigger nobody cares
start with 100 pushups, 100 squats, 50 situps and leg raises 3x a week, once you feel comfortable in like 6 months start going to the gym and add full body workout

>>81957521
i'm not going to work out for aesthetics if my body is aesthetically unviable. that's why i posted the measurements in the first place. are you retards illiterate or something? i wanted a prognosis for my physical flaws.

please pay attention to me

>>81957247 (OP)
>>81957260
take estrogen ,you have perfect tranny genetics

i'll self-bump this thread to the limit. my time is worthless. it's a friday afternoon, i just need to keep it up until the adults come home from work

>>81957839
i crossdressed when i was a teen to cope with my failure to become a "man" but it never amounted to anything, and that phase of my life is over. being a tranny is a privilege of youth. the y chromosome catches up eventually

Anon you dont wanna work out because you already determined (wrongly) that its worthless, you dont wanna try different styles /cross dressing because you already did that. You dont want blunt answers, you dont wanna put in effort, you dont wanna you dont wanna. Do you actually want anything? Hang out at a library and make small talk with someone you bump into, get a hobby and make basic ass friends, but im guessing you dont wanna because because because

>>81958382
i want wider clavicles and narrower hips
>get a hobby
i have hobbies. you know nothing about me stop assuming that i have no hobbies. my anxiety over talent in my hobbies is not the topic of this thread and stop giving me stupid bluepilled advice. because becoming a literal tranny is not the solution to my problems. that's basic common sense. i never said i don't want to work out either so READ MY POST FULLY! if exercising for aesthetics is a waste of time then i'll just run and bike for cardiovascular health.

You litteraly said no to another anon when he gave you the basic ass workout routine. Unironically 100 pushups sit ups and a run will get you better looking. You wanna be happy alone so badly but fail to realize you cant be happy alone its not in our nature

>>81958432
>Unironically 100 pushups sit ups and a run will get you better looking
will it make up for a male having clavicles of a girl. this isn't about being healthier it's about looking good. i'm not roiding so will working out help me in any way or will putting a shirt on revert all my "progress". again the issue here is deeper than basic fitness advice. you just try to read "through" my post instead of acknowledging what i'm saying.

Well it wont make you taller or change how big your bones are lmao but it will improve you, posture is one thing that alot of people overlook when the effects of working out. It changes how you stand and walk.
On the topic of putting one
>shirt
I thought you weren't looking for looksmaxxing advice nigger

tl;dr

Since your title says fitness adice, I'll give you some fitness advice: modify Stronglifts 5x5. Everyone should be doing this. Male or female. It doesn't matter. It's an overall excellent strength training program that hits most of what you need and is beginner friendly. You can later modify it to say for endurance (e.g. 3x15 w/1minute rest instead of 5x5, 90s to 2min rest.)

Cardio: do whatever you like 3x/week for 30 mins or 60mins if you enjoy it. Running, cycling, swimming. Doesn't matter. The point is to get your heart rate up for a significant period of time. If you do swimming, learn to do drills as intervals instead of just freestyleing. Closed-fist, catch-up drills, kicks on back, kicks on front, breast stroke, single arm stroke, etc.

Also, for nutrition, just eat better and up your protein in take to at minimum 100g per day.

>>81958511
that's pretty much what i was looking for from the beginning. i have zero use for strength besides looking genetically fit so women and men don't think i'm subhuman. if i didn't care about my appearance i would focus on cardio

>>81957542
your choice dyel

>>81958619
who tf cares about being strong if not to impress people. and honestly i'd rather be "dyel" then some freak with trash genetics who tried in vain to lift himself out. it's worse to try and fail then it is to never try at all. one if contemptible the other is pathetic, like a weird fucked up bug on a sidewalk that you accidentally stepped on because you didn't notice it. and the irony, if it is true that i can't look normal, is that only people who would've been fine without ever gaining muscle are the ones who benefit from gaining muscle.

>>81958617
>i have zero use for strength
Everyone needs to do strength training. Even as a cardiofag myself, I still do it despite not liking it. There's just so many benefits to it. When I did my half ironman, I didn't do strength training because of how much the training took out of me. Let's just say it diminished my strength by a lot in just the 6 months of training. It took me awhile just to get back just some of it.

So, even now, I still do it. I prioritize it. It helps with injury prevention. In the times I fall from tripping during trail running, I don't break anything because my bones are stronger from lifting. My running economy is better because of lifting. My stride strength is significantly better due to it. It's why even your best marathon runners are now starting to do it like the Kenyans like Eliud Kipchoge and Kevin Kiptem before he passed away. Sure, almost all are not lifting weights, but they are doing basic core work in the past decade and they've seen results from it even before the carbon plates came out.

So yeah, do you fucking strength training. Not for aesthetics, but for your health.

>>81957247 (OP)
Yes, work out. Whatever body you have, being fit will be more attractive than being fat or really skinny.

I didn't read your stats cause it's too much effort to visualize your figure from numbers, but even if it takes you're a 3, being fit would take you to 4.

>focus solely on cardio for health over everything else
overall strength has health benefits as well

>>81958686
that's good advice for if i start running but that doesn't seem 100% related to my main point. can a man aesthetically overcome having narrow clavicles and wide hips. i need to know this because whenever i do any exercise besides running i become self conscious of my body, wondering what the point of it all is. and it causes me to lose motivation. running doesn't do that because it puts me in a trance that makes me hate myself less even if for half an hour.

>>81958729
i don't want to believe in a universal 1-10 rating scale but rather in types. the goal is to become the best in a specific category of man. in other words, i want to become a 10 on the relative rating scale of a certain variety of man. if i can't do that then i won't bother. if the universal type theory (indicated by genetic 'fitness' markers like shoulder length) is true then i just won't bother. no point in wasting my life to go from ugly to ugly when i could spend time trying to find what i might actually be talented in.

>>81957247 (OP)
Even if you have narrow shoulders you can still get a better shape, just do shoulder raises every 4 days and something that uses the lats also every 4 days, but you wont look like some olympic swimmer

>>81957280
Where did you find a standard deviation for biacromial length?

>>81958669
there is no such thing as bad genetics except for very rare cases, if your genetics was so bad how did your ancestors managed to reprodice until you came? most people have average genetics.

>>81958834
i looked up biacromial length and consulted whatever data showed up first. the general impression i got from a cursory search just now is that the average for WOMEN is 14 inches while the average for men is 16 inches, so even if I were a woman i'd be below average!

>>81959009
I mean you are still white and not short so you got that going for you, pretty much nobody is blessed in every department. So i would advise against trooning out atleast

>>81959158
5'8.5" is short. all the peers i grew up with, even my own brother as well as all my cousins, are 6'0"+
i'd be normal height if i grew up in southeast asia maybe

Get a trainer if it affects you so much. Paying just a month will set you on the right track. They will most likely tell you to stop being a shoulderlet or whatever you need to bulk up and eat more, not just doing cardio

>>81960577
i don't want to be a bulky meathead, i want to be slim and graceful