Thread 82161027

First it was
>Go to college or else you'll be flipping burgers, any degree will do
Then it became
>Go to college but pick the RIGHT degree, learn to code/STEM
And currently it's
>College is a scam, just learn a trade
What will we be saying once that well runs dry and wages in that area begin to fall?

>>82161027 (OP)
Now people are trying to pretend that they never said the first part and that flipping burgers is actually a good job

if i was born 2 years earlier i could have a career now I'm a neet with a degree

>>82161027 (OP)
>you need a job
>you need a life
>you need to prove that evidence is a bad argument

>>82161027 (OP)
Why did Americans think it was a good idea to try and funnel every young adult through something as specialized as STEM?

>>82161027 (OP)
STEM is superior to learning a trade doe

>>82161027 (OP)
>any degree will do
this was objectively true before they created meaningless degrees. the people who chose experimental or less competitive programs knew what they were getting into. nobody said that all degrees at all schools have the same value for a job, college was literally always job preparation for the entire history of education until 2010.

>code/STEM
1. if people learned to code/STEM in 2010-2020, they have a high paying job today with rare exceptions. most people did not do this, most of the useless parasite class are liberal arts majors.
2. there's literally nothing you could argue against the notion of making a good choice. the only lesson here is that the good choice is different depending on timeframe and the industry you like.

>learn a trade
yeah, suggesting something that has lower supply and higher demand is literally good advice. this isn't cope. cope would be "keep learning to code maybe AI will fail"

>>82161184
The western world believes that if it is to remain relevant and competitive to the roach-like numbers of Indians and Chinese, a large portion of the workforce needs to be in STEM and Medical fields. The problem is that they prop these careers on too high of pedestal telling everyone they are the best paying jobs, oversaturating the markets with STEM and Medical professionals with only 10-20% of them who have any actual real interest or mental capability to perform in the workforce. Many of those candidates then struggle to get a foothold as the employers are both spoiled for choice and too busy filtering out bad candidates.

The only reason I was able to get my first job back in 2018, was cause even though I didn't have a certification like the other 20 people they interviewed, I at least had basic troubleshooting and critical thinking abilities in the pre-screening technical portion. Many of those other candidates even though they could pass a certification exam, lacked practical skills and struggled to even recall rudimentary information they should've known having said certification.

But now I'm an experienced engineer can't even find new work without having 3-6 certs, all of which could cost thousands of dollars for bootcamps if you struggle with self-paced book or lecture video-based learning like myself.

>>82161027 (OP)
College is still plenty worth it. Your degree has always mattered. Trades have never and will never be better than the not-shit degrees. The only problem with higher education is people getting degrees in Chicano studies or Sports Psychology and then wonder why they blew thousands of dollars and now can't get a job.

>>82161401
Is marketing a good degree?

>>82161046
that sounds like hellmode rule for non chill posters

>>82161027 (OP)
i wish i was flipping burgers. job market so broke i cant even get a entry level minimum wage job. what, am i not good enough to scrub your toilets?

>>82161411
Marketing bachelor's degrees are OK. More specifically Marketing Management. Decent job prospects and decent pay. But compared to other bachelor's degrees it is still below engineering degrees, computer science, nursing, and economics.

>>82161318
wow you're retarded gramps, the people who chose experimental or less competitive degrees have a better time in the job market right now, the meme of being unemployable because you chose to study philosophy was never true

they DID learn to code in the 2010s and now they can't get a fucking job? because of the 100 million other people who also did that?
trying to frame making an objectively bad choice as the better one because bill clinton told you the english majors were free riding 30 years ago

>trades
>lower supply, higher demand
getaloadofthisguydotjaypeg

you are old you are retarded you do not understand how anything works

>>82161027 (OP)
I'm hoping that AI decimates wage-slavery enough for even the elite vermin, who sold us out to Red Chinese slaves back in 2001, have to cave and enact a UBI and Keynes' 15 hour work week. The human race does not fucking need to work this much time, for so little reward. Fuck sake.

>>82161027 (OP)
just whore yourself out, bro

>>82161027 (OP)
Join the military obviously, as more and more skilled jobs are overtaken by automation and all that remains are burgerflipping teenagers and third worlders working for minimum wage, the only work men will have available will be what is provided by the government.

>>82161677
>they DID learn to code in the 2010s and now they can't get a fucking job?
they have a job, making 300k+, you retard.

if you claim to be young, just go to school. figure out what you want to do in life.

>>82162959
>ranjeet comes in, will do the job for 30k, jew boss lays you and your coworkers off

>>82162986
>pretending you have a job that ranjoid can do for 30k
>ranjoid actually stuck selling glizzies on the street

>>82162438
Satan likes to knock the girls up a couple times before he kills them. He tries to keep a balance where most of his accounts get lots of sex and food. Then he just grinds the other guys into dirt I guess once he cant smoke crack with them anymore because the pains too high. But then again satans the type of guy to cut all the arms and legs off one of his clones to show us were in his hell. Like yeah real scary to do that to yourself. He just likes to show off, he told me he was planning on making a samurai movie where the fight scenes are real and they really get killed. Because theyre just his clones. Its really boring to be here with him, hes got such a big ego because of how many virginities hes taken. Even though theyre clones virginities. He likes to trick guys into believing theyre lucky to get a cute girlfriend, even though the guy is literally the only one with a soul and you are dating one of his clones.

>>82163069
sad as i am defrauded by the accounts of extreme lexicon

>>82161027 (OP)
>any degree will do
Dunno about the US but in my Euro country, this was never the belief. Everyone always knew that most degrees are useless and STEM along with law are the only things going to uni for.
>College is a scam, just learn a trade
It's definitely a scam in the US where it's stupidly expensive. I would not bother getting a degree if it meant getting a $20k loan to pay for it. Luckily it cost me like $3k and my parents paid for it.

>>82163097
$20k is literally nothing, also Americans are paid more than Euros, so even with it being more expensive you still have a higher ROI

>>82163173
But I've heard degrees in the US cost even more than that. And with interest, you're going to be giving back more than you take.
But to me it's a scam mainly because there's no good reason it should cost that much. Uni teachers in my country are still paid very comfortable, to the level of doctors, basically. And universities are fairly well-equipped as well. There's no good reason why so many americans should end up with many years of college debt when us Euros can give people an education for far less money.

>>82163194
most people don't have much debt. americans have boomer parents so they pay for college easily, and international students are usually from rich families as well. plus we just had a 5-year period where pretty much nobody paid their student loans back. the tradeoff for having 5-10% of our young people take on cringy loans is that we also end up with much more competition and money to be made in academics, which is normally a good thing. you go to europe for the conventions, you go to america for the innovation.

>>82161027 (OP)
Trades are already over too due to oversaturation. Now there's literally no options left.

>>82163173
>>82163194
>$20k
Undergrad at my state school cost me $120k.
I still can't get a job.

>>82163248
have you tried looking for a job yet? most people just don't need to because NEETbux are so easy to get.

being a sissy cumslut
sucking off men for money
except, it won't be a cope
I already make 10k / mo off this and its what I want to do
being a coomer really pays off
plus im not a dumb whore and put all my money directly into investments!!

>>82161318
No, that was objectively untrue.
There where useless degrees for years, unless you wanted to be in academia for the rest of your life you needed a STEM, finance, or a law degree to really have it be relevant.
Educators lied about this to increase enrollment numbers for the universities so they and lenders would get more money.

The time window to learn to code was easily between 2005-2015. Any later and you have 3rd worlders who are willing to work for pennies compared to what anyone in a develop western country would accept for payment. Employers care little about the quality of labor compared to the cost of labor. Now with AI, people who got invested into coding are risking having their jobs lost from AI since mid level management and shareholders really only cares about the perceived productivity in the number of lines of code written per hour of wage. They don't care that 90% of the code written by AI is garbage. There was no way to anticipate that this would have happened back in 2017 when the "learn to code" meme was spammed ad nauseum.

Also I have friends that work in the trades. While yes, they do get paid more than minimum wage, but barely. What has happened is that he went to trade school, paid for basically the equivalent of one year of university, and then had to buy around an extra $14k in tools and equipment. All of that effort and cost for a job that literally would take around 5,200 working hours, or 2.7 years of work assuming nothing goes wrong with the trade like working for a bad company, or external factors like a slow season, or just not being given full time even after working for them for 90 days.

You can't fault people for making bad choices when they where lied to as children about what they should do in life. Because nearly all of the advice that has been given was already outdated when it was spoken or an outright lie. We are not born with foresight and barely know how the world works when we graduate from high school.

>>82161184
>Americans
Everyone fell for the college meme, even if parents knew their kid was a retard. They still forced their tards in college.

>>82163274
Anon, I am over 1000 applications in. I graduated last year.

>>82163248
>pick expensive school
>also don't even apply for financial aid
that is entirely your fault it cost $120k, unless you were pressured by parents then they should have paid for it

>>82163306
>useless degrees
nope. pretty much everyone took the same classes and had the same standards for the first 2 years of undergrad, and the specialization for a bachelors was only a small part of the college experience. you mostly went to prove you are competent for a job and to network. there were virtually no useless degrees except for communications.

>3rd worlders
3rd worlders are always 5-10 years behind on any given tech stack, and the "learn to code" meme is less about coding or the "cost of labor" and more about being active. tech companies between 2010 and 2020 had literally unlimited money and did not care about cost of labor, they just overhired during covid and didn't have enough problems for them to solve. AI is changing that but nobody knows in which direction that will go.

>trades
>barely above min wage
you're an actual retard.

>bad choices
choices aren't made based on muh lies or platitudes. that's the entire point of college/trade school for most people, is that you are being prepared by people around you to make the right choice for yourself. i can agree that many institutions don't really take the proactive role anymore and are more like services, but also anytime after 1995 you have all the resources you need to break through the lies and bad information to prepare yourself, even if you don't network or have friends. the "foresight" you need is baked into your current achievements and current goals in life, and from there you just learn what you need to do and how feasible it is. far more cucklennials failed because they wanted to be entertainers or athletes than those who were failed by their teachers or parents trying to become software engineers. a literal simple google search would have told you that you will never be a famous youtuber, simple as.

>>82163331
>a year of just applying
imagine the smell

>>82161027 (OP)
Trade jobs are significantly harder to outsource to a computer because of how ass backwards and non standard 99% if shit is in the US. Like every job has to be thought about and how to tackle it's unique qualities. Maybe like 50 years from now plummer bot 800 will be able to do it but for now your good. Also 75% of people still think college and debt maxing with useless degrees is the way to go so beat the race to a trade now while you can

>>82161027 (OP)
Study something or work in a field where you're better than 80% of the rest in that field, it's surprisingly easy as most people are retarded. If it's in a high supply/low demand field bunp up that number to 95%

>>82163363
>expensive school
>state school
State schools are supposed to be cheap options. And I did file for financial aid.
>pick
I applied to 12 schools, 8 of which my stats were like a whole standard deviation above average for, and I only got into this one.

>>82163382
I never want to write a cover letter ever again.

>>82163421
just ask your friends to get you a job.

>>82163492
They're all having the same problem!

>>82163492
Every friend I know with a non service job got it through other friends or family

>>82161184

Cold war. It was never about making the individual happy and prosperous, it was about having more scientists than the other guy. Also because spergs fall for any propaganda that tells them they are special.

>>82163530
>problem
>having everything handed to them for free
what problem

>>82163604
well now we're having a cold war with china but our youth wants to be "content creators" instead of engineers and scientists

>>82164604
based youth

>>82164604
>cold war
A war implies two groups fighting against each other.
China Is the only active participant, and they're somehow taking the most damage.
Every major city in China has flooded multiple times this year because they needed to send another billion to Africa instead of improving the sewer system.

>>82161027 (OP)
They say history always rhymes if it doesn't repeat, make of that what you will.

This is what overpopulation does

would it make you feel better if being time blind wasn't just cute elf girl?