Thread 82189963

Why are "nice guys" villainized?
>nice guys are manipulative and entitled!
That's the argument, a straw man of course, but it doesn't even make sense if you think about it. "Nice guys" wouldn't complain if they didn't notice men that are clearly not "nice" get relationships while they don't. It's even weirder how "nice guys" are pathologized and called manipulative for supposedly only being nice to get what they want, but is there any social interaction where you technically can't claim people aren't doing it for themselves? Even genuine altruism would be called selfish if you follow "nice guy" logic. To be clear though, I don't think being "nice" matters that much if you want to get a girlfriend and it's probably true a lot of "nice guys" genuinely just have nothing to offer except their "niceness". But calling "nice guys" bad people is just gaslighting that somehow is seen as acceptable. Why would being mad the social contract of being nice to others and expecting that being a good person would make life easier for you make you a bad person?

Why would being mad the social contract of being nice to others and expecting that being a good person would make life easier for you being broken make you a bad person?

I accidentally messed up the sentence

>>82189963 (OP)
Women are crazy about manipulative men, men more clever than them. Make no mistake.

>>82189963 (OP)
The flaw in your argument is that you assume "being nice" is a good thing. Nice guys are manipulative because they pretend they dont have wants or needs whilst manoeuvring underhandedly to get what they want and need. These are the people trying to build up "credit" with other people in the form of gifts and compliments, acts of service etc. which they think they can cash in for sex or affection later. That's not how it works.
>but if I'm not NICE then that means I'm a selfish asshole!
People would respect you more
>but it's in my nature to be nice! being nice is a good thing!
You're a pussy who doesn't want to rock the boat. Being nice is nice, but only when it's sincere. The problem with nice guys is that when there's no possibility of sex, they show their true colours. If you went on a sex moratorium, would you still be nice to women?

>>82190061
Narc trying to justify being manipulative as a good thing.

Fuck off retard

>>82190078
>Being nice is nice, but only when it's sincere
And how do you tell if it is or not as an outsider?
>inb4 they expect nothing in return
And how do you tell this? They could be playing the long game, how would you know?

>>82189963 (OP)
Because "nice" is the only thing they have. They're nonentities with no value. It's like saying "guys who know how to read".
But the word means something a bit more specific: it's not just a guy who is nice, but a guy who thinks being nice gives him the right to you having sex with him.
"nice guys" don't understand sex. They think it's a transaction where if they do enough good things, work hard enough, the woman will give them sex. And then, when she doesn't (because she still doesn't find the guy hot), the "nice guy" shits his pants, calls her a bitch, and storms off. A pest.
And again, those are different from a nice guy. The title is somewhat sarcastic.

>>82189963 (OP)
ERMMM CUZ THEY LIKE, WANT SEX IN RETURN FOR BEING NICE, CHUD, THAT'S KIND OF AN ICK...
THE ACTUAL WAY TO HAVE SEX IS TO HIT WOMEN REPEATEDLY
THEIR INSTINCTS WILL KICK IN AND THEY FALL IN LOVE WITH YOU GUARANTEED

>>82189963 (OP)
Of course it's a strawman. You're arguing with imaginary people about a topic that you've most probably defined only loosely.
who the fuck are the "nice guys"? why are you speaking for them? who is ostracising these nice guys?

>>82189963 (OP)
because those guys are manipulative and performative, if you reject them the mask comes off and they instantly turn entitled and cruel

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>>82190732
>as wise as this

>>82190753
???
He's thinking to himself if I recall.
Unless you mean the statement itself, it's a standard "young guy marvels at old guy's experience with women".

Foids absolutely FUCKING HATE nice guys. Nothing makes them more disgusted than a man who treats them with genuine love and care. This is because foids have an inborn understanding of their inferiority, and so any man who dares to overlook this biological reality and treat them with kindness is subject to constant ritual humiliation for having the NERVE to be kind. I have been nothing but a gentleman to foids all my life and how do they repay me? BY CONSTANTLY TORMENTING ME AND GIVING ME NO ATTENTION OR LOVE OR CARE. I DESERVE LOVE. I DID EVERYTHING RIGHT. GIVE IT TO ME NOW.

>>82189963 (OP)
The term "nice guy" doesn't refer to guys that are simply nice, it refers to men that act kindly to women expecting sex or romance in return
This can quickly backfire, because typically this behavior gets repayed with kindness, not sex, so the natural pipeline is to become a misogynist
People don't like nice guys because you shouldn't feel entitled to anything other than niceness if you're being nice to girls. No one owes you sex or romance, and the fact they act like they do only because they are respecting women means that they are morally corrupt people

I understand there's some gender bias here, so let me put it this way: would you say a girl that acts nicely with men only because she expects money from them in return is a good person?

>>82189963 (OP)
This is so ridiculous. I'm nice because I enjoy being nice to people. I enjoy treating other people kindly because I want to see them happy. I don't expect anything in return, just that you'll be nice to me as well, which honestly should be the minimum expectation you have of others in any interaction. It boggles my mind that retards have taken this and made it more complicated than it really is. I'm nice to people because I want to be.

>>82190797
I know that
ginger on the first panel looks like he saw some kind of a breakthrough

Rape all women.

>>82190870
third panel*
oopsie

>>82190853
Your morality is determined by your actions, not your intentions. The hypothetical gold digger you made up is a good perosn because she does good things.

>>82190887
>Your morality is determined by your actions, not your intention
This is only the case under certain belief systems, like utilitarianism
Morality just refers to one's notion of what's right and what's wrong. Most people would deem acting kindly under the expectation of a reward a trait of someone that's morally fickle, since really, being nice to people is the bare minimum to most of us