Thread 82235318

If you fell for this fabricated graph, you are no better than a facebook boomer falling for AI slop. You have to be a completely retarded NPC to think this is real. It's not even mathematically possible. But of course there's also likely the fact that despite this being portrayed as a 'black pill', you desperately want it to be true.
Because the real data (seen below) failed to show a continuation of the trend, but instead showed a reversal (the sample size for the GSS is small, which meant the trend was unreliable to begin with), you'd prefer to simply make shit up to suit your emotional needs and to conform to the narrative black pill copers have been endlessly regurgitating for the past decade.

>>82235318 (OP)
Another survey with a far higher sample size never showed this sharp surge in male virginity to begin with. The reason why you haven't seen this data is because it doesn't make for good engagement bait or media headlines, and it doesn't promote your narrative. That's it.

Yes there is likely something there, and you can see it more clearly in data for adolescents, but the pathetic cope that most men are hopeless remains very far from reality.

>>82235318 (OP)
Idk what this is about but you should take the internet less seriously.

>my line good
>your line bad

>>82235347
Nvm ignore this, I posted this before the second post. it's obvious you have gone down the rabbithole

>>82235318 (OP)
>It's not even mathematically possible

It is due to the simple fact that good looking men/rich older men have multiple girlfriends each, who believe that being part of harem is preferable to a committed relationship to an average guy.

I find it very easy to believe that the majority of young men are alone.

>>82235318 (OP)
It is very likely that the statistics are fudged, or are being outright suppressed.
The mainstream cannot accept, or admit, that male inceldom is spreading fast; and that incels are correct about foids being Chad-only since 2012.

>>82235318 (OP)
>goes to a stupid board
>"you're all stupid!"
>feels good about himself that he passed a 90IQ filter

>>82235318 (OP)
>>82235346
The number of 30 year old male virgins has more than doubled the past 8 years
https://www.newsweek.com/number-virgins-america-hits-record-high-2022266
Even if that weren't true, how does this disprove the blackpill? Many studies have shown that facial attractiveness is the most important thing for dating, several studies show how important height is, etc. Just because 9/10 men find some hole to fuck by 30 doesn't mean that it's not fucked.

The real apocalypse numbers would never be published bc it would just cause panic. Looking at the employment and overall economic stats of the young people today gives you a picture of how completely fucked the future is. Millennial and genz women outnumber men in the workforce participation rate. Think about that for a second and consider the types of """"jobs"""" women actually do

>>82235735
That may be true but that's a dumb assumption to have

>>82235318 (OP)
>>82235346

>>82235318 (OP)
>>82235346
When they want a group to stay peaceful, the MSM will lie to them to make them feel alone, as if they are the only one experiencing the problem. What you're saying about small sample size and media engagement bait is not wrong, but you're suppressing other relevant truths. So you're as dishonest as they are.

>>82235318 (OP)
I am 27 and i don't know anyone who hasn't had sex, even us socially awkward 2000s weaboo kids ended up having sex, what are young people like now? Literally if you're going out with friends and having even the shittiest little parties you should be getting laid by the time you're 17

>>82236672
>Literally if you're going out with friends and having even the shittiest little parties
Some of us aren't degenerates and do other things for fun

>>82235389
1. nobody with money has time for "multiple" girlfriends, and most yacht girls are just passed around, they aren't exclusive to any one rich guy
2. it's objectively mathematically impossible.

>>82236869
>nobody money has time for multiple women
Broke women have multiple boyfriends in different cities and I'm expected to believe guys on yachts can't have multiple women
>it's objectively mathematically impossible
How so?

>>82236855
How the fuck is that degenerate? I'm trying to tell you how not to be a sad lonely virgin anon lol. I did other things for fun too anon, after getting home from parties

>>82236919
>how is engaging in degeneracy degenerate?

>>82236954
>going out partying with friends is degenerate
ok I see you're a virgin by choice

>>82236984
>going put partying with friends is degenerate
Yes it is, are you mentally disabled?

>>82235318 (OP)
The funniest thing about that graph is that, if it were true, that means not having sex makes you a normie because the majority of the population isn't having sex.

But, the type of people who believe that graph are the types of people who believe that the majority of people go to parties, or that Chad is a normie.

>>82236672
Or they tell you have sex. No men in his right mind is going to admit that is a fucking virgin at 25.

>>82237008
anon I genuinely don't know whether to laugh or feel sorry for you, are you a traditional Christian type?

>>82235318 (OP)
Idiot, that's a projection, not real data. I wouldn't be surprised if 50% of young men today are virgins.

>>82236672
I went to parties. Still a khhv at 25

>>82236914
>boyfriends
>different cities
yeah this is like saying that incels have multiple e-girlfriends. it doesn't mean anything.
>how so?
because of how sex works.

>>82237070
Where are they all? everyone i know in college has had sex and has dated before. does 50% of young men today not even go outside?

>>82237085
But did you sit in the corner silently waiting to go home? Confidence is the key, I'm a fucking idiot, poor as fuck, did terrible at school with terrible grades but I had social confidence and it works

>>82237120
>because of sex works
How?

>>82237192
Penis in the vagina, generally speaking.

>>82237054
>are you a traditional Christian type?
Nope I just don't have the normie urge to go party and drink and lose my virginity in a meaningless hook up.

>>82237202
Why can't you answer the question in an honest way? How is it "objectively mathematically impossible" that 50% of men couldn't have had sex?

>>82237206
but i bet you still watch porn lol

>>82236672
>us socially awkward 2000s weaboo kids
>>82237182
>Confidence is the key
>I had social confidence
Then weren't socially awkward, you dipshit.
You were just a normalfag that watched DBZ like most kids in the 2000s.

>>82235318 (OP)
You posted the outdated graph, here is the updated one from Harvard

>>82237228
Believe me I was socially awkward, everybody thought I was weird as fuck but I was still confident about it, also dbz is shit

>>82237143
They tell you that they have sex. There is not pride in virginity and especially for a man.
Do you look at them when they are fucking? I don't think so.
You sound like you are either a woman or gay. If you are gay probably your thoughts are skewed how easy is to get laid with other men.

>>82237215
Because the vast majority of the group of people whomst is included in the "50%" was already surveyed in the past, and only around 16% of them did not have sex. You can't go from 16% to 50% in the span of a few years even with heavy bias on the younger side of the age group. The fake chart that people use originally said "no sex in the past year" and even that showed that it was around 20%. Somebody on twitter changed it to "zero female sex partners" which was never asked about in the GSS and has nothing to do with any survey.

>>82237256
>Do you look at them when they are fucking? I don't think so.
They have videos, you retard. Everyone films themselves these days.

>>82237252
Socially awkward and confident are mutually exclusive terms.
It's an oxymoron.

>>82237274
>Everyone films themselves these days.
No, most people aren't that degenerate.

That explains a lot. You're a college student, from a liberal American city, LGBTQ+ and all that. If you're a man, you're probably a cute white boy, probably gay or bisexual. Most of your friends, mostly cute white girls your age like to produce content to sell in OF to pay for college.

That's not the experience of most blue-collar guys.

>>82236672
For me it's the inverse, i am 22 and 90% of guys i know are kissless virgins. The 10% that arent got a girlfriend when they were 15 and that's it. I know 0 men with more than 2 sexual partners. And i'm not some asocial basement dweller, i'm a fit tall gym guy who does martial arts and has plenty of hobbies. From my experience most guys under 24 are virgins with 0 women in their close social circles, doesn't matter if they are fit, fat, short, tall, autistic, normal, dress well, are slobs, whatever.

>>82236672
because you're a normallfaggot whose circle removed anyone who wasn't also normalfaggot
You literally mentioned PARTIES (plural!) before 17. Most young men aren't going to multiple parties before they are 18, let alone 17.

>>82238559
I'm a fucking poor ass weirdo and nobody around me thought I was normal, but they still liked me because they found me funny and I have confidence. I grew up addicted to internet culture and playing old 90s nerdy pc games and never had a problem knowing I was online talking to virgins when I was like 13 back in 2011, just be a confident weirdo like me. Being loud and obnoxious in school classrooms made everyone like me too lol

>>82238629
>I was a poor weirdo but people still kept inviting me to parties
god will you just shut the fuck up
some people are so retarded they can't even see when their statements are incongruent with each other

>>82238669
But its very relevant to your argument lol

Incels have been spreading this graph for years now, editing the date each year. If the incel ideology was correct and accurate to reality why fake graphs and lie about data?

I lost my virginity at 29 brobots and I'm 33 now. It's never over. There's always a chance. It's also incredibly easy to have sex. Just get a boner and put it in her. Dont;' tell her you're a virgin.

>>82235650
maybe look at the actual data and not nonsense news sites who want clicks and views.

>>82237465
virginity is degenerate. being a human is not.

>>82237915
>d 90% of guys i know are kissless virgins.
I guarantee these are all incels online and not actual real life people you hang with, since you're most likely autistic virgin with no life.

>>82235650
facials were never important. every guy i know that goes out and socializes, regardless of their face, still gets laid and goes on dates.

>>82239486
>virginity is degenerate.


which answers your question about every man who tells you he's having sex. A lot of them are lying.

>>82240019
A lot of men lie about being virgins or "incel" despite having a girlfriend. Probably balances out.

I solved my virginity problem by paying for sex. Fucking prostitutes is less shameful than being a virgin. At 30, I pay a skinny 19-year-old girl to fuck her, put her on all fours, then lube up my long, fat virgin cock and pump her pussy, thinking about how embarrassing it must be for her to fuck a guy like me, what her father thinks, and I do it until I cum like a filthy pig inside her, squealing as I do it. I've been repeating this for a few years now, every couple of months, more or less. It makes you feel more human.

>>82235318 (OP)
It's true
I don't really use fb except to message family and a couple friends. But every time I look at my recommended I see like everyone from high school or my past with a husband or wife, usually with kids, leading a normal life. Doesn't matter if they're ugly or hot, fat or thin, virgin or chad, they all managed to find someone. Most people aren't like us, we have this bias because we spend all our time here.

>>82239468
I'm gonna do the opposite. I will make sure that there is no way it isn't over. I will proclaim myself as the King of Virgins and if anyone asks if I'm a virgin, I will say it without hesitation.

>>82240097
Here.....you dropped your crown, king.
W rizz.

>>82235318 (OP)
The data is simply fabricated. It's not "mathematically impossible". See pic related; the data is completely open for anyone to see (and anyone can make this graph in 5 minutes with whatever software they like). The confidence intervals are massive and the actual % isn't skyrocketing. There's no indication from the numbers for 2014 and after are significantly different.
Also, as far as I can tell, you can see in the newest GSS codebook
>https://gss.norc.org/content/dam/gss/get-documentation/pdf/codebook/GSS%202024%20Codebook.pdf
There is no "numwomen" variable, or any other variable indicating # of females a participant had sex with since they've been an adult, i.e. the measure these graphs use, so the year for 2024 is obviously made up.
Also, there's only no data for years 2020 and 2023: https://gss.norc.org/us/en/gss/get-the-data/stata.html
>>82237058
Yeah dating apps don't work. Every normalfag will tell you this lol.

>>82237058
wtf does this graph even mean? 100% of men have had 15% of likes from women?

>>82240118
Which variable is "No female sex partners since 18"?

The only question that comes close is "how many times have you had sex in the last 12 months?" And only 18% of men were sexless. Also more importantly, only around 15-20% of men end up with 0 kids. The true blackpill was always that this board is for the very bottom of the bottom.

>>82240019
only when they're 16.

>>82240160
In previous GSS waves, there was a "numwomen" variable. It's no longer there for 2024, so the best indicator for virginity for straight men is no longer there and the OP graph is obviously bullshit.
>>82240143
https://archive.vn/alsV5
It doesn't represent what the source says, that's for sure, similar to most "redpill" plots.

>>82240118
>only 18% of men were sexless. Also more importantly, only around 15-20% of men end up with 0 kids. The true blackpill was always that this board is for the very bottom of the bottom.
>>82240160

Data shows that one-third of men between the ages of 18 and 30 are single and have no girlfriend. I'd say that today, in 2025, almost half of young people will be single and have little chance of finding one. Dating apps are a disaster, that's well known, but young people aren't partying, going to clubs, concerts, or places to meet women. It's too expensive.
That 27% on that chart in 2018 is underrepresented compared to how bad things are today.

>>82235346
Good to see that there's people with actual brains on here that understand stats. Wouldn't expect most of these morons to get why sample size is important
>15% of women 18-29 have never had sex
I hope it's not the 15% that are hambeasts
>>82235347
This is funny to read. You have a guy here actually quoting real facts and figures and your best response is "you're gone".
Nice cope fag, op has his head screwed on straight and you don't.

>>82240229
I guy 25 is going to tell you in your face that he has never had sex in his life? You are so delusional to think that?

>>82240272
>I guy 25 is going to tell you in your face that he has never had sex in his life? You are so delusional to think that?

A guy.

>>82240257
>one-third of men between the ages of 18 and 30 are single and have no girlfriend
i would just say that one-third is just disabled or extremely retarded. it's easy to just go out and socialize. if it's somehow "bad" for you now you wouldn't even survive in 2018 when you had fewer options.

>>82236869
Elon Musk has how many children now with how many women? Donald Trump had how many wives? Yeah, ok bud.

>>82236919
Speaking of parties another interesting fact is that young people don't go to them anymore. I'm going to go ahead and guess that you're a 35 year old larping as a zoomer.

>>82240257
New generations grow up slower. With the minimum age of "young man" from 18 to early 20s, the virginity rate for men is only slightly higher than it is for women (who obviously can't be incel except for 1 in 10 million freak cases).
>almost all men have sex but half of them are single
lole
>it's so much worse now
prove it

>>82240286
Elon quite literally has no time for women and mostly had one woman at a time. Big T passed around girls like they were newspapers. You have no clue what you are trying to say.

>>82238629
nobody cares that you're poor. You keep saying you're a wierdo and yet you're invited to parties. Everybody around you thought you were normal, quirky at best. YOU thought and think that you were weird. Nobody else did.

>>82240285
Where do you socialize to find girls? We know dating apps don't work. That leaves, as I said, clubs, nightclubs, and EDM festivals, but it's too expensive and your minimum-wage job doesn't allow for that. The only thing left is to risk your job trying to get a girl there. Or if you're lucky and have a circle of friend, something rare these days, someone might introduce you.

>>82240327
Weird people just have parties with each other. There's not much else to do on weekend evenings when you're young.

>>82240331
Most bars specifically for young people have cheap drinks and free entry. But just having any regular life will get you introduced to tons of women. If you can't afford regular life in your big city on your "minimum wage", then move out to a rural area and live on easy mode.

>>82240306
>has no time for women
>has like 10 exes
>i-it doesn't count if its not all at the same time even if its all in the span of 5 years

Disingenuous.

>>82237058
>>82240251
>It doesn't represent what the source says,
Yeah, I'm not sure it really means anything. I actually have no idea what that graph is trying to say.

It looks like it's saying 16% of women like 100% of men, 5% of women like 95-99% of men, 4% like 90-95% of men. And 2% of women like anywhere between 50-90% of men. In other words, it looks like the graph says that 93% of women like at least half of all men, and only 7% don't like men at all.

That sounds ridiculous, but I'm curious of what it's supposed to say. Using nazi meme words like 'goyim' I assume he's an incel and want to show that women are picky? But it looks like it's saying the opposite.

>>82240358
Do you think Elons first wife hasn't had sex in 20 years?

>>82240336
You are so out of touch its embarrassing.
here is a list of things you can do when you're young on the weekend
>play video games
>listen to music on the internet
>goon
>shitpost on 4chan
>pirate media and watch it
>brainrot on tiktok
>bedrot on insta
>goon again

>>82240362
Do you think Elon's first wife has sex with broke ugly people?

>>82240345
>Most bars specifically for young people have cheap drinks and free entry

Young, attractive women get cheap drinks and free entry. Men have to pay. It's always been that way. The majority of the nightlife scene today is made up of women in their twenties and single men in their mid thirties and forties who pay for their drinks.

>>82240375
>just sit at home and watch paint dry!
Yeah nah, young people have way too much energy. There is a reason why the concept of prison is considered a bad thing.

>>82240396
>Men have to pay.
No I just literally said it's free entry. If you're going to a bar or lounge that has cover, you're an idiot who will be surrounded by single men in their mid-thirties and forties.

>>82240272
>I guy 25 is going to tell you in your face that he

>>82235318 (OP)
nah I believe it. social trends seem to support the idea that males are more single than women

>>82240425
Being single just seems like a feminine thing in general. Like "cat lady" is a woman for a reason. Men have a far more active role in society.

>>82240411
>No I just literally said it's free entry. If you're going to a bar or lounge that has cover, you're an idiot who will be surrounded by single men in their mid-thirties and forties.

It doesn't matter if entry is free, they'll take your money for expensive drinks. Men who want to get laid are usually the ones who pay for the drinks.
I didn't say bars or lounges. I said nightclubs and discos. Men in their mid-30s and 40s with money paying for drinks for girls in their 20s with the goal of sleeping with them.

>>82240414
A guy.

>>82240465
>expensive drinks
Drinks are like $3 during happy hours and specials. You are a monumental retard. There are bars specifically for young people who line up for cheap drinks. If you are at a social public space with men in their mid-30s, you are stupid af and have no idea what you're doing.

>>82240360
Of all the likes women give men on Hinge, the top 1% of men get 16.4%, the top 5% get 41.1%, the top 10% get 58.0%, and the bottom 50% get only 4.3%. They try to make an analogy to wealth inequality, but there's a better reference point while knowing the top 1% in the US has a minimum networth of ~14 million USD, but on Hinge, chads get way, way more likes than they need to fuck. If an average guy could get a couple dozen likes over a few months, then that's still fine.

>>82240460
you seem to be expressing an opinion

>>82240493
Yeah I wouldn't trust any man who claims to be single.

>>82240480
>Drinks are like $3 during happy hours and specials. You are a monumental retard. There are bars specifically for young people who line up for cheap drinks

Find me a place in a city in America where they sell you drinks for three dollars that isn't Coca-Cola with ice cubes.

>>82240480
>f you are at a social public space with men in their mid-30s, you are stupid af and have no idea what you're doing.

Any nightclub. A place where everyone goes, 21+. The older guys with money are the ones who pay for the expensive drinks for the girls who they want to get laid. That is the modern night scene in today economy.

>>82240607
>Find me a place in a city in America
Are you even in America or are you just a moron? Practically any college or sports bar has cheap drinks during happy hour. pig and parrot in Hoboken, $3 drinks 9-1030pm. there are millions of other examples especially in NYC.

>nightclub
1. you can't say "everyone" in your area goes if you just said only mid-30s guys with money go there.
2. nightclubs are peak dogshit for meeting anyone, you only go clubbing at the end of the night with people you met other places, or not at all because it's too expensive or trashy.
3. the economy has quite literally nothing to do with what you're talking about. the poorer someone is, the more social they HAVE to be by force because they have to share everything. laundry is social, eating is social, and even living becomes a social thing because you need to have roommates. go to any lower income south american city and try to find any guy who thinks its hard to meet women, bud

>>82240677
>Are you even in America or are you just a moron? Practically any college or sports bar has cheap drinks during happy hour. pig and parrot in Hoboken, $3 drinks 9-1030pm. there are millions of other examples especially in NYC.

Only 30% of men are going to college, and that leaves 60%. But even so, most women, unless she's already your girlfriend, expect you to spend money on her to get access to her, even if she likes you. And frankly, your happy hour probably won't work. First, because most of those who go there are already couples looking for low prices, and second, because no woman wants to be with a cheap man who can only pay for drinks at happy hours, especially if he's not good looking.

Look, man, with this economy and how horrible dating apps are, the best thing a young man can do is creepmaxx. Sign up for places where women you like gather, like gyms, dance classes, reading classes, and just have the fucking balls to ask for the number of someone you like, like a man. If she likes you, you'll be fucking her in a week, and if not, you'll be called a creep and you'll have to look somewhere else.

>>82237058
I like how zoomers get mad at dating apps and the argument is
>women prefer attractive guys!!!!!!!
like somehow that hasn't been true offline, and before the creation of dating websites nevermind dating apps

You can look at ads in comic books from the 1960s and they're running those "are you a bullied nerd who can't get no pussy? Order this 8 week training course so you can stop being pathetic!"

>>82238559
>you only have sex because you're NORMAL
that's not the gotcha you think it is anon

>>82240866
>going to college
esl prajeet, you don't need to be in college to go to a college bar.
>most women
are you the cuckold who doesn't even know how to meet a lot of women? what would you know about what "most women" expect?
>already couples
then men are not single, moron. they have girlfriends.
>no woman wants to be with a cheap man
tell that to the 2.5 - 3 billion women who are with poor men. no man wants to be with a girl who isn't a supermodel but here we are.
>creepmaxx
Prajeet, even the creeps have an easy time dating. Tons of creeps in public are middle aged fathers who have had sex millions of times. The problem is you, not the economy.

>>82240401
>young people have way too much energy
You are so fucking retarded. I was young once. This is literally what I did throughout the entireity of my early 20's and teens. Its what I'm still doing now as a 28 year old.

>>82240999
>I was lobotomized
Good for you. I would have gone insane if I spent my time inside when I was younger.

>>82240677
>heh just go to college
>heh just be a blue collar worker like me
>heh just go to a bar
>heh ok actually just go to a cheap college bar
>heh drinks are only like 3 dollars during happy hour
>heh actually just buy the 10 dollar drink for the girl you chud
this is getting tiresome. Are you just b8ing or what?

>>82240931
The difference being a woman now has millions of chads to pick from in a 10 mile radios whereas back in the day the woman would actually have to leave her house to meet a maximum of 10 men.

>>82241014
>I would have gone insane if I spent my time inside when I was younger.
This is because you're a low IQ retard as we've already established. Also likely because you're a fucking boomer who didn't have the internet.

Amazing how you're just a giga normalfag despite constantly trying to convince everyone you're not.

>>82241054
virgincoded post anon...

>>82241066
Yes, I'm a 28 year old virgin. Where the fuck do you think you are you nigger?

>>82235318 (OP)
>>82235346
No shit the right half of the graph is fake. Up to 27% is real

the PEW research study referenced by NY times also proves 1/3 men dont have sex. And 2/3 dont have gfs

this thread is more so proof youre an IQlet. like telling an adult that santa claus isnt real

>>82241054
You sound like an actual virgin what the hell is wrong with you? Wow you didn't do anything in your youth, wasted a lifetime and for what?

>>82241028
>heh just be single in your early 20s
There's no good reason for this.

>>82241113
>go on /r9k/
>wow you're an actual virgin omg really
Why are you here you fucking normalfag?

>>82241131
>heh just find a gf
There's lots of good reasons for this but you wouldn't understand since you're an out of touch retarded boomer normalfaggot.

>>82241138
>young men are boomers
are you also the retard who doesn't know how to find girls?

>>82241132
REEEEEEEEEEEE ON GOD ON MY MAMA FRFR
also you actually do seem like a virgin

>>82241145
>young men
Can you just off yourself already?

>>82241155
Imagine saying that guys under 23 are "boomers" peak ESL

>>82240976
What the hell is a prajeet?

>>82240976
>tell that to the 2.5 - 3 billion women who are with poor men. no man wants to be with a girl who isn't a supermodel but here we are.

You know that more than 50% of marriages in this world are arranged, that most poor women marry for economic reasons, and that the poorer they are, the greater the age gap with the man they marry. In some parts of Africa, the average age gap is 10 years. 700 million girls are married before the age of 18, many to older men.

I'm not complaining. I want to impregnate a 20-year-old girl when I'm 50 in exchange for economic stability.

>>82241163
Imagine a 23 year old calling himself and his peers young men.

>>82241172
>heh young people are boomers
are you the guy who is single in 2025?

>>82241169
Nobody said you were complaining. Marriage is pretty nice, you probably have a few kids by now at least.

>>82241179
Listen here young man, stop disrespecting your elders.

>>82241195
Disrespectmaxxing a misogynist is peak.

>>82241207
>maxing
that was old 3 years ago.

>>82241215
I understandmaxx. Are you single by any chance?

>>82235318 (OP)
>>82235346
I think there is a lot of men out there that had sex once in their life so they always tick "not virgin" on these questionnaires but that one time is like 10 years ago for many of them.

>>82241254
They specifically ask about "in the past 12 months", so no.

>>82241284
Not in the posts i replied to

>>82241290
It was a statistic

>>82235318 (OP)
Is this image BS too?

>>82241384
interestingly enough, that same survey showed around 40% of 12th graders were transgender