Thread 82295050

Why i dont take feminism seriously is because women whine they have it so Hard all the time, but not a single soul talks or cares about mens struggles and mental health. They only tell men to man up.
Well youre scared going out at night by yourself? Well, women up!
Men have to do EVERYTHING themselves, while women get served everything on a silver plate

>>82295050 (OP)
Feminism came about because the small minority of women that wanted to be "equal" to men were louder than the silent majority of women that only ever go with the flow because women lack any and all unique personality traits.

Women are molded by whatever authority is in there life, and we live in a failing gyno centric society

>>82295078
If women had their way since the beginning we'd still be in the paleolithic

>>82295050 (OP)
have you actually looked at any real feminist argument? literally name 3 feminist arguments without doing a browser search.

>>82295270
It's all such nonsense. What is the end goal for feminism exactly? Bunch of crazy bitches.

>>82295078
have you ever considered that most women were afraid of speaking up because of societal pressures like their entire family shaming them/casting them out/not supporting them unless they behaved exactly how the family wanted? Law in the US had to be written in 1974 to ensure that women had the right to open a bank account, as many times banks wouldn't allow it unless their father or husband signed off on it.

Women will talk about sexual abuse or rape, and every woman knows someone close to them who has experienced that. When women open up to men about this, men will ask "well what were you wearing?", or "well was his dick bigger than mine?".

>>82295294
not an argument.

Feminists want freedom from having to behold themselves to men for all their life. Women want equal treatment when they work hard at a job. Women want to see rapists go to prison.
Men will talk about false rape accusations, and then ignore that for 1 false rape accusation, that a hundred rapists get away with it, and maybe a dozen or two will actually face jail time.

>>82295310
No, we won't upend the justice system or end freedom of association because of feminist whims. Women want a higher status husbands anyway so you are just sabotaging yourself as a group.

I don't see why you have such an issue with feminism when it's literally women just wanting to be treated fairly and equally. I don't understand what you find so disagreeable about that.
>>82295328
But that's what feminists fought for, to be taken seriously in the justice system when they were beaten by their husband. When they fought for education so that they could pursue a career and not have to be a stay at home mom and be completely reliant on a husband for an income. What happens when a man decides to leave a woman when she is uneducated and is 40 years old, and the kids are adults?
Women want someone who matches them, I think that's reasonable. When a woman is pursuing her dreams, and is putting effort into something, don't you think she'd want a husband with a similar drive? Women wanting a man who makes more than them is blown out of proportion. Yes gold diggers exist, yes some women are 10/10s and want a 10/10, there is nothing wrong with wanting a successful attractive partner.

The monkey goes to the cave where the echoes tell the monkey, you will never land a woman ever unless you're 6 feet tall, 7 inch dick, 6 figures. The monkey goes back to the cave for decades until he fucking blows his brains out because he has convinced himself that unless a woman has never had sex, has no aspirations except to make babies, and would be okay with a department store supervisor income, then that is no woman he would ever seek.

>>82295364
Why are here among the monkies then? Fuck off.

>>82295364
Hmm, I wonder why guys are so pissed off.

>>82295412
I really do wonder.

>>82295420
Men are being unreasonable

what you are upset about isn't feminism, what you are upset about is not being successful with getting women. Let me give you a more compelling argument about why things are so fucked for young men especially in America.
It essentially boils down to two things, a thousand or so billionaires/CEOs making infinite money with speculative investments, and raising the prices on literally everything, and lobbying so that society pays more into systems that make them money. One example is how in the US 90% of adults have to drive to go anywhere. Everyone has to have a car, most people have to pay thousands a year for payments on it, for gas, for insurance, for parking, for a car-port at an apartment, etc. European countries that make fucking nothing, have rail that outspeeds, can move more people, has 5-10 minute intervals between trains. They pay thousands less per person, as a society this makes a huge difference. We piss away hundreds of billions a year to these CEOs for fucking cars. Houses are more expensive because you have to move pipes and wires through more distance, as roads take up huge amounts of space. These companies then lobby for apartments to be illegal in 99% of the city, so then everyone becomes a tax drain.
There are countless examples where Americans are bleed economically. Phone plans that cost a fucking hundred dollars a month. In the UK it's like 15$ for an unlimited plan.

>>82295364
Yes women are so oppressed. Poor ladies they go home drunk with strange men and end up getting "raped". All men need to drop everything and fix this issue right now! Or else women will go live with the bears in the woods.

>>82295424
Men have so many opportunities in this economy.

>>82295310
nta but the ones who get away with it are usually due to lack of reporting. so what that leaves us with is 1 false accusation against 12 true ones. obviously we can't do away with punishing people for raping, but no reasonable person is going to let that number slide without asking questions. "believe all women" was a mistake.

>>82295297
women also go through grown ass men looking at them and harrassing them the moment they get any starting signs of puberty. I don't know even one woman that wasnt oogled when she turned 12-13y
Imagine going through your teenage years seeing men doing the most depraved shit to touch you, it's like the blackpill but reversed

>>82295438
internet bills add up to hundreds or even upward of a thousand a year for Americans, when ex-soviet commie countries get 10$ 5gbit/s unlimited internet. America pays over 2x more than the next highest paying country in the world, and that's when you are including the taxes that country spends on healthcare. And yet we get fucking garbage healthcare compared to them.

Women would not be so worried about money unless it was a real concern.

The second thing is that Americans are the most socially isolated people in the world. We are online 2x as much as Europeans, but that's because most of us live in isolated single family homes. Our values are very independent, and we do not seek community often.

>>82295466
Ok, why are you defending feminism then? Feminism is going to fix none of those problems.

>>82295462
>oh no I was looked at and I didn't like it
vs
>oh no I lost my job, my family, and my house, and I have to live in a tent under a bridge because a woman didn't like the way I looked at her and I had to register as a sex offender and I will never be able to get a job or a home again or go within 5,000 feet of a school, a church, a "public place", or anywhere that women or children may exist

>>82295462
yeah I work with a lot of females, and the amount of times I've seen them get hit on by anyone is absolutely insane. Like I have seen my 16 year old coworker get hit on by men in their 40s because they think her body looks nice. It's really disturbing when you see it over, and over, and over again.

>>82295462
I don't give a shit just like your kind doesn't care about men's hardships. Cry me a fucking river.

>>82295475
My argument is that OP should not be upset at feminism, what he should be upset about is the blood sucking billionaires running this country and their puppets that make living conditions worse every day for everyone in this country.
>>82295476
this seems like an insane fucking tall-tale. You must be a hysterical male. Do you get panic attacks thinking you'll go to prison when you accidentally look at a woman? Is this some fucking psy-op that Putin or the JIDF has going on here to make western men utter fucking pussies?

>>82295050 (OP)
>I don't take feminism seriously because the focus is on women and not on ME!!

Feminism actually discusses the way patriarchy fucks men over up too but you haaate admitting that because it means that you have to give up your scrote privileges too.

>Men have to do everything themselves
Do you really think a system that prioritizes men as the breadwinners and women as their cooking and breeding machine isn't at fault for that?

You shit your pants when you hear patriarchy and then complain about how people want you to also fit into the patriarchal male role. You should all kill yourselves since you're so much better than women at it.

>>82295497
>Scrote privilege
>>82295447

>>82295412
I don't get it, what do in demand jobs do to make men so angry? Could it be that men are irrational and pursue their passions instead of a real income-creating job like being a Nurse Practitioner or a Lawyer?

>>82295519
feminism benefits men in scenarios like this because men can and should be able to do nursing without it being seen as wrong in some weird patriarchal way.

>>82295514
So go into nursing. Ohhh wait it's gay that's why you won't do it. Okay got it.

>>82295541
Men just aren't going to go for those careers, it's a shitshow. Women don't want partners that are equal anyway, they are hypergamists.

>>82295497
The idea of feminism (dismantling gender roles) is fine and in a perfect world would perform in egalitarian fashion where both genders would flourish more with less social limitations based on gender.
The reality is that humans are shitrats regardless of gender, and will take advantage of any opportunity the imposed dominant system gives them. So women will often preach feminism while in practice they hide behind patriarchal social structure. Belittling men, saying men can't be raped, calling men social failures/losers for not having a job better than theirs, and often not regarding the rare men who exhibit feminine traits.
Women blame men for feminism's failings but it is often the same women that preserve and fall back on the patriarchy when it suits them. Actual feminists are in the vast minority. Women ruined feminism like allies ruined gay bars.

>>82295364
>literally women just wanting to be treated fairly and equally
there are feminist groups trying to get video games banned over bogus sexism claims that amount to having cute girls or M-rated storylines
I support gender equality, I know past feminist groups have done great work in that regard, I support equality and dignity for all human beings... and I view calling one's self a feminist as a massive red flag

>>82295554
I'm not saying these women don't exist but how isn't it retarded disregarding feminism on it's entirety cause some people did it wrong? So we're never supposed to try and do it right anyways?

>>82295569
The idea is retarded and so is communism. Just don't.

>>82295566
feminism isn't one group of people. American Christians try to ban games, and in fact made it illegal many times to show media if it showed anything queer. American Christians keep trying to ban all pornography online.
Yeah some people are retarded. That's not an argument against feminism, that's an argument for freedom.

>>82295607
there's some "feminists" who hate transwomen. But the vast majority of feminists are pro LGBT.

>>82295607
Dude, you are not going to convince anyone here. You need to get some pussy to these guys or they won't be interested.

>>82295566
the alt-right successfully programmed young male gamers to think feminism is cringe. The gaymer gate situation happened because of corporate entities and their shitty journalistic approaches that have 0 integrity. A woman used her pussy to sleep around and get some reviews earlier than other journals, that was the advantage she had, she didn't have more money, or more advantages to use. So she used what she could.

>>82295655
thanks for the concern. I'll see myself out because I think I made sufficient arguments. I moderate my time here usually pretty well, but yeah thanks.

>>82295688
Yeah fuck outta here retard lmao

>>82295569
They won't do it right because it's not practical and the word's primary users have fundamentally changed. Feminism has lost its meaning over the years like incel has. Democracy is ran by popularity, all that matters is the most popular variant of the word's definition. The current wave of "feminists" are hauling the corpse of a movement around, so there is no practical way to make them see sense since it's incredibly rare anybody cares more than just a passing glance and some sparse searches to create their political identity. People will vote for the word feminism not understanding what definition they are actually pushing, or maybe they do and are doing so more maliciously. Petty.
Women voters won't vote for the fairer version of feminism, just the one that pushes "those evil men" down. "who cares about men" "men shouldn't barge into women's spaces", no matter how much your heart bleeds it just won't work because many humans crave power to maintain their stability, their way of life, and will often kick others down over it if necessary since we are structured to compete regardless of feminism's actual benefits.
It's all about power.
>So we're never supposed to try and do it right anyways?
"We"? What makes you think either of us actually make a dent in anything?
Even if I would prefer if things were better, I do not have that kind of power. Rather, I am repeatedly silenced. I am the most powerless person to talk about feminism (or anything anymore): a white man in a blue state with zero social and political sway. Who fucking cares what I have to say? Me, and people like me, don't matter. Only the people up top (mis)directing everyone else sways anything anymore. You and I are just fucking rats in the grand scheme of the groups larger than us, and the politicians/corporations higher than us. The people don't care about ideal feminism and their votes won't care either.
I don't disregard the idea because I disagree with it. It just won't work. Ever.

When men complain about things like conscription, being alone, male suicide rate, etc, the reaction from feminists (if they're not celebrating these issues) is: "we're not going to fix those issues for you, we have our own problems to worry about. Man up and deal with it yourself."
Then they come on here and try to gaslight you into supporting feminism over looking out for your own interests. I hope none of my bros here fall for this Jewish shit.

>>82295364
>it's literally women just wanting to be treated fairly and equally
You mean being treated better than the average man cause you see them as lesser.
Feminism is about women gripping advantage for themselves and only themselves under the guise of equality and fairness or if it's truly about equality then it's only to men they deem superior which isn't the majority of men.

Feminism achieved all its goals in the 20th century and what is left is scraps.

>>82295270
The right to vote
The right to be a whore
The right to murder babies

Men don't care about helping other men you guys just want to STOP women from helping each other. Why do you only speak up about men's issues to undercut women? When is the last time you did anything to help your fellow man? That's what I thought.

>>82295666
And then she ruined her BFs life by accusing him of being a rapist because he complained about her whoring herself for reviews, and drove him to suicide

His sister then spends the money she inherited from him on donations to sweet baby inc

>>82296575
Uh-huh, help them on your own dime. Not ours or your father's.

>>82296594
Oh wow, was that a thing?

>>82296601
Helping men is the dumbest thing you can do, it's throwing pearls to swine. Children and women are more grateful and deserving. Every struggling man spit in the faces of dozens of loved ones to get where he is.

>Hard all the time, but not a single soul talks or cares about mens struggles and mental health.
Why don't men care about men's struggles or mental health? The manosphere tells them to stop being pussies and abuse everyone around them.

>>82295050 (OP)
"Men should be more emotionally open and share their feelings" these women will say, and when you do share your feelings they turn it into a buzzword online and relentlessly make fun of the men who feel that way, and then they find a way to say that actually men who feel this way are evil incels.

>>82296626
It's valid advice, it works.

>>82296626
The manosphere tells them that society doesn't care and they should focus on improving their situation themselves, of course that's the general message but if you go into specifics like tate you're right

>>82295554
>saying men can't be raped
When that little boy got molested by his dentist and reported her the comments were full of men calling him a lucky snitch, while most of the sympathetic comments demonizing the female pedo were other women.

>The idea of feminism (dismantling gender roles) is fine
Most men don't think that is "fine".

>>82296637
>suppressing your emotions and injuring your loved ones, causes fragmented relationships full of resentment is good

>>82296575
>Men don't care about helping other men you guys just want to STOP women from helping each other.
It's emotional manipulation because they know women are easier to guilt-trip. They put women on a high moral pedestal while ignoring/justifying the wrongdoings of other men.

When you realize this you stop falling for it.

>>82296706
Nail on the fucking head

>>82295050 (OP)
>Why i dont take feminism seriously is
Geeze your rationalization is complicated.
Its simpler than that, feminism's leaders were/are subversive ugly jewish women mad at the world for being ignored so they want to burn it ALL down.
Really all you need to know.

>>82295364
to be fair to the dino on the right, maybe he was sincerely complimenting her and that raptor was just being a dick?

>>82296706
>justifying
I'm not responsible for the doings of my fellow man, no man is. Is this hard to understand?

>>82295548
More like we wont get a job or even a spot in those study programs because those are saved for women and diverse applicants.
Another proof of how poor innocent women are unjustly treated by ebil scrotes
>>82295497
>feminists
>wating to do anything for men
Kek,no feminists want women to beable to do absolutely anything without any consequences while still having special treatements in pretty much every area because of their gender.
As for men felinists have no problems with men sticking to their gender role and will absolitely demand us to be uberrich ultraaggressive providers which is why they never date their so called feminist amlies and deconstructed men.
You people are massive hypocrites
>>82295519
You know those high paying jobs are saved for women
Meanwhile i dont see anyone asking for parity in physical and low paying jobs which are 100% men

>>82296706
I hate the incistance that men don't help other men or that male friendships are never deep/close/supportive. It comes from women who only see the public side of male friendships (shit talking, joking around) and loser doormats who settle for shitty friends. All the men in my life are amazingly supportive, and so are their friends

There's no point arguing with women, they will never understand you, even if you understand them. The only group which can care about others outside of itself is a niche of western intellectual men, and these men must maintain overwhelming dominant power for anything resembling a nice society, as they always have, as they always will.

Decent societies grow out the barrel of a gun.

>>82295310
>Feminists want freedom from having to behold themselves to men for all their life. Women want equal treatment when they work hard at a job. Women want to see rapists go to prison.
all of these things are gay and bad though.

>>82297404
Based and true there is no point in arguing with women as they are children just as there is no point arguing with unreasonable people it's in the name they are unreasonable how can you reason with someone who is incapable of reason all that matters is power.

>>82295438
>least braindead liberal award
Homeless chads get more pussy than richcels
Sneed

>>82296661
I never said dismissal of others' issues was gender-exclusive. You are falling for the same pro-patriarchy messaging with your man-hating.

My sister is a feminist because every guy she dates were abusive. She refuse to take responsibility that dating these men were her own choice and that she just wanted to be fucked by bad boys because nice respectful men didnt turn her on

Women are objectively financial drains on humanity. They have no right speaking on equality when have done nothing but leech off of other peoples work. They should only be allowed equal rights when they pick up their fair share of work, but they never will because their privilege blinds them from any rational thinking.

>>82295541
Are you fucking retarded? These jobs are reserved for women LOL. Holy shit the reason why feminism exists is because retards are allowed to breed

>>82295447
real reason, I dont wanna work with women, I cant say anything, cant do anything without them following me everywhere, and cant even speak without getting shit on by low tier women, I dont even hate women honestly because thats a waste of effort, but all the jobs are catered to having female management somewhere and every single female boss ive had is incompetent, some male ones too so its whatever at this point but ive realized that almost all the people I work with actually are just incompetent, and only really get anywhere through connections which is cool ig, but it makes me wonder if there is a point in socializing with others if they are just gonna suck irregardless.

>>82297045
>not women - different person but
women usually hold management positions and dont do any of the work, but hire people lower and pay them less, then when they do all the work and stuff they take credit for it, Why would i want a job where and im not shitting you, if i raise my voice slightly I get chewed out, If i dont agree with a liberal perspective 100% of the time, "im problematic". If i show up late or tired or anything other then 100% I get a write up for it, but my female bosses can show up late etc, and nothing happens, can expose really shitty beliefs nonstop but if i disagree I get in trouble with it, Why even work or want to work with people that dont want to do the work right, and will get you in trouble for doing your job right, not even shitting you if you ever work in food service, warehousing, retail and you have had a female boss you will know what i mean, they take obscene amounts of breaks, say really stupid shit all the time, and will heck and peck at any lower employees and when you report it they will shit talk you and bad mouth you because they cant stand to actually do a job properly, then when you leave them alone they will go around to where you are and bother you nonstop for it. Thats why I don't really like being or working with them in any capacity, also other guys will shit talk you and do really gay shit for a girl who wont fuck them to look and talk to them, its really not even worth it to befriend guys at work anymore because most of them are liberal or sensitive and will get you in trouble if you arent 100% liberal, but at this point i think having seen and worked with them, Ive become more racist and sexist because of it. I thought maybe id be less but actually seeing it in person tends to make me more racist and sexist
>inb4 virgin/incel
Ive had plently, its just kinda pointless after a certain point because you have to spend so much effort, Like talking, money, or just time, I can game and learn

>>82298857
>they only tell men to man up.

Another thread of men whining about how they suffer in silence