Thread 82389552

So who do we support now BadEmpanada is transphobic? I liked the dude and thought he was pretty smart. Like yeah he was edgy and I can tolerate that but the transphobia is too much. Im genuinely kind of disappointed in him

>>82389552 (OP)
you are in a shrinking cult

define "woman" without resorting to sex-based stereotypes

>>82389552 (OP)
Isn't this the guy who fled to Latin America because he is wanted a pedophile in Australia?

>>82389552 (OP)
Don't know who he is but he sounds based
YWNBAW

>>82389552 (OP)
He's not transphobic at all. He just made one edgy comment. What's worse is his impractical standards for any pundit or political person leading to basically zero good people existing except himself in his view.
>>82389609
Adult human with female gender identity. Never in my life have I seen a progressive define woman with stereotypes. Your talking points are very outdated. You prpbably think the Democratic party is leftist.
>>82389668
Any proof of that?

>>82389552 (OP)
How do you people care so much about internet drama?
I even can't watch Hasan anymore despite him being this hot

>>82390137
You're gross at least drool over Luigi I hoped he'd be an Aryan so I was sorely disappointed I didn't have a hot guy to drool over but you little lefties like wops right? Hey but doesn't he hate Israel? that's pretty cool but not hot.

>>82390077
>his impractical standards for any pundit or political person
They're basically all hacks who have a platform because they're hacks, but he's gotten along with other essayists.

>>82389552 (OP)
You're grifting but traditional leftists really don't care about culture war shit to begin with, all that social stuff would be like a secondary benefit that would come from upending the ruling class.

>>82390314
If you have no solutions and just state everyone isn't pro-Palestine enough, then you're useless. I mean political candidates too.

>>82390520
What's your "being pro-palestine" done to solve the zionist occupation?

>>82389552 (OP)
He doesn't look like the most lgbt friendly person with that moslem beard desu

>>82390077
Retarded idea of what a woman is. You cant just say something is another thing with no tangible basis for it. If that were the case words and definitions would mean nothing. The basis for a woman is having organs that create large gametes (eggs), thus a vagina. A woman is someone with a vagina. However, you can change race and from here on out I identify as a disabled black man with rockets instead of legs so I can identify myself as flying everywhere and having my ancestors build the pyramids.

>>82390680
What has no tangible basis that I said? This is pretty standard gender theory. How can you change your race?

What does transphobia have to do with Marxism-Leninism? Do you think Xi and Kim jong Un love your kin?

>>82389552 (OP)
I like his videos, but genuinely, why is he so insane on Twitter? Didn't he use to criticize breadtubers for getting involved in pointless drama?

>>82389552 (OP)
Once again someone failed the purity test and got booted out?

>>82389552 (OP)
>Wake up
>See person I have never seen in my entire fucking life and have no idea about what the fuck this is
Kill yourself op
Later +sage

>retard thread
yawn

>>82390077
>What's worse is his impractical standards for any pundit or political person leading to basically zero good people existing except himself in his view.
Clicked the thread to say this, being the spiciest guy definitely builds a brand and reputation, but I don't know how much he's ever actually helped his own causes.

>>82390164
>wops
Holy fuckin' shit dude still borrowing your slurs from grandpa? Guess I shouldn't be surprised that the internet nazis are living in the past.

>>82389552 (OP)
>lefitst threads
>on 4chan
>it's about ecelebs
>full of trannies
yeah how about you all kill yourselves you disgusting freaks

>>82389552 (OP)
Question to all leftists ITT:
What is the point of it all? Life, I mean. What is the meaning? Is there truly such a thing as right and wrong?

I am friends with many leftists irl and basically universally they all have extremely confident convictions about what is wrong and evil about the world / society and yet if I ask them to clarify that there is such a thing as good and evil they suddenly backtrack and say there isn't and that life is ultimately meaningless.

>leftist tranny thread
>all images attached are 2d woman shit
hahahahahahha LOOOOOOL KEK you're all homos, hurry up with my happy meal commie i have shit to get to

>>82392025
Because all your friends are actually liberal(right wing) posers who never read Marxist theory and would drop all pretense as long as democrats gave fentanyl zombies free healthcare.

>>82392089
Funnily enough the exact friends say this exact shit about other people all the time. No, they're actual anti-capitalists. Two are MLs, the rest are AnComs.

>>82389552 (OP)
This is why leftism is a joke in America, stupid culture war tier discussions.
>>82392025
The point is to eat, shit, fuck (read as have kids), and die at the end. Anything else is secondary and there is nothing wrong with this imo. Our current system is built on endless greed and is unsustainable, open your eyes.

>>82392140
Ok here is litmus test, do they support ML states like China and DPRK?
Do they think Stalin was based?
Do they think Deng Xiaoping is based?
Do they think that you have to be a transphile to be a leftist?
And lastly, Classical Marxism heavily relies on the idea of free workingmen association, so would they support a white nationalist commune if the highest stage of socialism was achieved in 1000 years time?

>>82392160
>The point is to eat, shit, fuck (read as have kids), and die at the end.
>Our current system is built on endless greed and is unsustainable, open your eyes.
There is no coherent reason to say the latter if the former is true.

>>82392221
>Do they support ML states like China and DPRK?
The ML ones would say that they're flawed but constantly run apologetics for any time someone says something bad about them.
>Do they think Stalin was based?
Yes
>Do they think Deng Xiaoping is based?
No
>Do they think that you have to be a transphile to be a leftist?
They probably would say it's not technically a requirement but against the spirit of leftism to be anti-trans
>And lastly, Classical Marxism heavily relies on the idea of free workingmen association, so would they support a white nationalist commune if the highest stage of socialism was achieved in 1000 years time?
They would probably say that it's not possible, though would not support it even if so. That said, if your personal definition of leftism requires that people be cool with racially pure communes then I think you're the one in the minority.

>>82392235
How? Moral nihilism doesn't imply that all systems are equally functional.

n-noooo my ecleleb has to love trannies too

>>82392235
At the most basic level, life is survival and reproduction. How many products do you need to make and consume at such a large scale? It's just unnecessary

>>82392291
There is no such thing as "greed" per moral nihilism. Similarly it would be incoherent to say something like that the function of the system is to promote human 'wellbeing' unless you strip that word down to an assumed biological underpinning (and indeed if we throw in determinism, I would be skeptical that you can say that any system even has a 'function' in the purposeful sense).

Even putting that aside, you're left with the more fundamental question of, "Ok, but why should I care?" - particularly if someone feels like they have enough to look out for themselves.

>>82392025
Are you religious? What exactly are you getting at by asking that here? I ask because your question in the context of this thread sounds a lot like a line of argument I've heard religious people use to say that without god as an intrinsic source for morality people are just immoral baseless heathens. Which is a shitty argument in two ways:
One, it implies an exclusivity between leftist ideals and religious faith that isn't true. You can want society to be more cooperative and still be religious.
>suddenly backtrack and say there isn't and that life is ultimately meaningless
I wouldn't call it back tracking because saying that there isn't "objective" morality isn't the same as saying there isn't any morality. Sounds like you're hearing a pretty common absurdist nihilist pathway to the conclusion that the only morality in life is that which we make and interrogate for ourselves. Which, if you ask me, sounds more rigorous than just taking your given holy book's word for it.
What do you think Anon, am I straw-manning any harder here than you just were?

>>82392385
>There is no such thing as "greed" per moral nihilism
"greed" has nothing to do with morality.
>to promote human 'wellbeing'
Shadowboxxing. Nobody said that.
>why should I care?
That's true for all political projects. That's up to your satisfaction with the current government/economy. Basically nobody cares about modern slavery since it's out of sight+out of mind and requires some amount of effort to not promote.

>>82392411
I am religious. I was not trying to get at anything in regards to you anons, although I suspect that there is something neurotic underpinning some of my leftist friends' convictions, I do admit it.

I don't think that you necessarily need God for objective morality nor do I think belief in God is incompatible with leftism per se. For the record, I don't see anything wrong with being a leftist, and I am even sympathetic to reformist views of society's progression towards socialism. However, I do think that there is some contradiction in the fact that these leftist friends simultaneously have extremely passionate convictions about what people are doing and injustice taking place in our society and so forth while simultaneously apparently conceding that there is no such thing as right and wrong.

>I wouldn't call it back tracking because saying that there isn't "objective" morality isn't the same as saying there isn't any morality.
On this point I suppose we disagree. Yes, saying that morality is subjective is technically different from saying that it doesn't exist at all, but what "morality" is if subjective is fundamentally different from what it is if objective. The fact would remain that it is, for example, a mere matter of opinion that the Nazis were evil, in particular if you find yourself in a majority Nazi society.

>>82392474
>"greed" has nothing to do with morality.
It clearly has a moral element to it. Define it otherwise.

>>82389552 (OP)
BE has always been a massive cringelord and his "leftist" politics have always been incoherent and lacking any actual material analysis.

People need to stop looking to youtubers and podcasters to do their thinking for them. Read some theory join an org and stop giving money to peoples patreons.

>>82392516
>but what "morality" is if subjective is fundamentally different from what it is if objective.
You seem relatively reasonable for this board, so please take this next point in good faith. What if I told you that morality derived from religion is still subjective, God is simply the subject.
>for example, a mere matter of opinion that the Nazis were evil
Excellent case in point, since you want to bring the nazis into this. Many many nazis were christian.

>>82389552 (OP)
That guy has always been retarded

>>82392654
> You seem relatively reasonable for this board, so please take this next point in good faith. What if I told you that morality derived from religion is still subjective, God is simply the subject.
I'd say that I've heard the argument before, and I think it misunderstands what objective morality means, or rather it presupposes that morality must be subjective. When I say that morality is objective I mean that there is a such thing as moral facts, that there is such a thing as a 'fact of the matter' regarding moral issues just as there is in questions in physics. I can go into more detail as to why I think so, but the basic argument is that the same intuitions that lead us to thinking there is such a thing as objective reality over solipsism also indicate that there is such a thing as objective morality. Disagreements over finer details are not a point against as there appears to be convergence over time, and potential disagreements over basic facts like that it's wrong to torture babies by psychotic people are not a point against for the same reason disagreements over basic physical facts by schizophrenic people are not a point against there being an objective reality.

Yes, if there is a creator God then in some sense he created objective reality and morality in this way, but I am undecided on the issue of whether you can separate God from Goodness such that you can ask which is more fundamental. To me if morality is as objective as reality then that's satisfactory for the debate as most people care about it.
>Many many nazis were christian.
The Nazi leadership was demonstrably anti-Christian by the time of WW2 despite what they said to keep up public appearances and I'm happy to link to reputable sources indicating such. I don't doubt that some people identified as both a Nazi and a Christian but I wouldn't consider them to be Christian in that case, given that the tenets of the two are explicitly contradictory.

>>82393056
I understand you will probably call this last point a No True Scotsman but perhaps you ought not to do that for a case that I think is literally analogous to someone calling themselves a Blue-Favorite-Color-Enjoyer and then going on about how their favorite color is red.

>>82392554
Here sidfas

>>82392277
So their thoughts on China and DPRK are conflicted.
They think that Deng didnt save China
They think transgenderism isnt a psyop by the medical industrial complex
My personal definition of leftism has nothing to do with racial purity, Im just pointing out that there is nothing contradictory in Marx or Engels writing about a free working mans association around Race, or even sexual orientation, gender, language, etc
Im not racist or in favor of white nationalism but either way I think your friends, if sincere, are baby leftists getting brainwashed by Vaush and Hasan piker

>>82389552 (OP)
What he said was correct except when he made it about race. He's a deranged freak and belongs with all the other deranged breadtube freaks.

>>82390786
If anyone can be a woman or a female then what is a woman or female?

>>82393495
>anyone can be a woman
Who are you quoting? Nobody said this.