Thread 82423957

Why did 4tran die

overlay this graph with a graph of rope sales and that will answer your question

>>82423957 (OP)
I haven't seen a noticeable dip in activity anywhere I frequent.

>>82423971
youre kinda right bro...

>>82423983
This board went to shit when they started to ban women hate threads.

>>82423995
<more people are trying to kill they/themselves
<4tran is kill
woah...

A part of it is doing nothing about the obvious posters who shit on the board by spamming the same constant threads, bumping them and replying to themselves to make it look like the thread is active. This bumps actual interesting threads down and eventually off the board.

>>82423957 (OP)
That little sliver of sages before 2014 is really interesting, its like the last stand from the Oldags before they gave up

>>82423957 (OP)
Because 4chan is not the only source of memes and banter anymore. You have to remember that when 4chan came out, google image search wasn't even a thing. Now instead of making a caturday thread on 4chan, you can just search lolcats and get thousands of images instantly. The unhappy affect is no more comfy posting OC with the bros. The places posting OC anymore are on twitter and yt and the like so they can compete for likes, attention, and profits via monetization.

>>82423957 (OP)
social networks, people like to show off

>>82423957 (OP)
i always thought this place was something special, like it was leading to some kind of cultural awakening greater than itself.

now its becoming less relevant. nothing here is transgressive anymore since the ideas have spread to normalfag world and are even being monetized by influencers.

as someone who never felt a part of the real world i am greatly enjoying the shitshow unfold from a distance. however without feeling like i am part of that process through shitposting and theorizing, this place just feels like impotent screeching from retards, who at this point are solidly millennial, which makes it even more cringe

>>82423957 (OP)
its incredibly grim to be reminded for most people browsing this shithole was a phase before they became normies with good healthy lives and i actually just rotted here the whole time

>>82424161
Do you remember that one guy that pissed you off particularly bad 10 years ago? That person probably has a family now, fuck man.

>>82424186
>he doesnt know my cock is pressing into his faggot anus right now

>>82424085
I think 2011 was the last of the last stand of the most devoted of oldfags. 2014 was Gamergate and the SJW invasion of the internet. Obama had pioneered advertising on the internet hard which had never been done before and boomers were begining to jump on board around 2014. It was a big screw up.

>>82423957 (OP)
It's a millennial site and the youngest millennials turned 26 in '21 and finally started to grow out of it. Some of them and the older zoomers like myself have stuck around in hopes of getting some of the magic of the old days, but the third is and younger generation have made it impossible for that magic to thrive

>>82424237
Huh, interesting, I wish there was a way to get the full story without getting piecemeal accounts every couple of weeks

I still sage all the time

>>82424251

This. The Zoomers and gen Alpha are all on TikTok these days as their preferred shitposting platform, and to a lesser extent Reddit, but that's largely for faggots who would have otherwise been on Tumblr. I've been on 4chan since 2007, I don't know any other platform that replicates the experience and the other chans are more or less dead.

>>82424349
What would you personally change about the site to change course

>>82424251
It would be cool to collab with other way-too-oldfags and piece together what happened and make a definitive documentary about it. Which feels cringey to say because Rule 1 of the internet (Ebaums did it) is still ingrained into me.

>>82424373
NTA but there's really nothing that can be done at this point. It's no longer a pet project of the original founder and the jannies are all unironically mossad shills and a significant portion of the traffic is thirdies.
Basically it's over
>>82424543
There was a time and then there wasn't

>>82424373

I don't think there's a way to reverse course. The younger generations engage with the internet in a completely different way. They don't value anonymous shitposting and trolling the way Millenials and younger Gen X'ers did. Instead they're all trying to be social media influencers and become the next Mr Beast or Logan Paul, they leave everything out there in the open. The internet is their life, everything in their lives is intertwined with it. Whereas, the Millenials and Gen X'ers, the internet was digital third space where they could hangout and have fun, but they had lives outside of it.

Trends come and go, I'm sure somewhere in the future, anonymous social media platforms will be popular again. But that certainly isn't going to be anytime soon. 4chan has become a digital dinosaur just like the old web forums.

Gonna post some old stuff.

Because I'm looking through old folders and getting some nostalgia feels.

>>82424085
No, that's when they were last recorded before moot took visible sage away and now the numbers aren't public.

>>82424647
>>82424658
Couldn't we (we is optimistic I know) buy the site?

Remember when bot spam got crazy after "The Surgeon is inspired" and moot had to start captcha and everybody hated it but it wasn't his fault.

It's hard to pin down but the culture of boards changed. 4chan was always full of retard contrarians but it was more fun and sort of jolly now it either is too transparent, or too caustic. I relate to being an outsider so 4chan has appeal, but 4channers have adopted very pro status quo self hating kind of conformist views over the years. For instance, people on r9k who tell people they need to get jobs, become normal, and touch grass. This board exists for the opposite kind of people. In my dreams, people on r9k accept their loser nature and chill as based losers

>>82424718
>accept their loser nature and chill as based losers
that's the magic sauce isn't it?

Remember when these lite bright art of the mooninites created an IRL shitstorm and made the boomers go feral for weeks? Which I think is what got boomer law enforcement to get more heavily involved on the internet beyond federal agents looking for hackers, drugs, pedos, and bomb scares.

Also yogurt

>>82424683

And do what with it? Moot could barely pay for its upkeep and Nishimura probably subsidies its upkeep from 2chan's income, because given 4chan's much decreased traffic I doubt ads and passes are keeping this website aflot.

>>82424772
Well shit I guess that makes sense

>>82424718
>In my dreams, people on r9k accept their loser nature and chill as based losers
At some point in the early 2010s, /jp/ had become a board exactly like this. It was like heaven for me until mods started cracking down on that and killing every thread that wasn't a general or a touhou thread. I miss that board and era like nothing else.

>>82424749
I think that's part of it. It's hard to find a space online that hasn't been completely overtaken by normies. Even losers have normie logic, and normies are big enough losers to be spending all their time online, or at least browsing discords made for losers while socializing IRL. In other words, it's over. Bots are a big problem too. That's all I got. A vague cultural change and bots.

>>82424853
I wish there was a place for that kind of thing it really feels like the normie/loser venn diagram has too much overlap at this point. I'm a complete long term neet and normies seem like the autistic ones to me at this point. It'd be cool to find a place online to talk to actual like-minded people.

moot bein kinda gay. Better than moot being really gay.

4chan used to have a warrant canary, I don't remember what date that changed.

>>82424844

I mourn what we lost in the fire of change. 4chan was always a toxic and cancerous shithole, but there was a real sense of community here for loners like myself. The glory days of the website are gone, but we'll always have Paris.

Remember when the smartphone came out? Before that, it was mostly business people using a Blackberry to connect to the internet. Normies were still out of the mix and posting on the internet other than MySpace and LiveJournal was considered cringe for nerds. We didn't know how nice we had it.

Philosoraptor and the billions of advice dog spinoffs, most of which were considered cancer. That was definitely the first shift of culture, when the newfags spammed advice dog spoofs and the house was divided between them being okay and them being cancer. Most the oldfags considered it cancer.

This is way before 4chan, but remember when the only reliable way to get nudes was to either instant message an actual girl (impossibly rare) or connect to a porn website? Which meant hanging up your modem and redialing into a porn server and paying like several dollars per minute. I don't know how much it costed I never did that stuff I promise. Seriously though because the bill would come mailed to your house and there was always some boy at school getting busted.

we must be more tolerant to reddit refugees
we need to import more redditors to increase the daily post count, otherwise 4chan will not survive

>>82423957 (OP)
They didn't invest enough into the untapped cute & funny market.

>>82423957 (OP)
4chan isn't really fun anymore. Racebait is out of control. People angry as fuck all the time. Elon lets you be racist on Twitter now so that likely took some posters away. People might be transitioning to the Sharty too, at least the retardation is fun.

In modern times, I think normies are getting in touch with their inner 4chan side just because the internet is the thing to do now. And 4chan type losers are getting in touch with their normie side because normies have invaded everything now, and they're not always wrong about things.
Some niche things that used to be for outsiders/nerds that is now normie:
The internet period. Funny how things have reversed. Being not overly connected is now weird.
Anything involving a computer that wasn't done for a school assignment at the library or computer lab.
Anime. Normies didn't even know what it was or that it could differentiated from "cartoons". Things like Ninja Scroll were un-findable, only existed in the furthest corner of the video rental store maaybe, and would just be classified as "cartoons except more serious for massive losers".
Video games. If you played video games more than a little, you were kinda weird. If you played past age 7 or 8, you were a massive loser. The N64 came out and divided the normies between "video games are for losers" and "Goldeneye sleepovers".

>>82423957 (OP)
AI, /pol/fags, fappening, gamergate, pick your poison.

>>82425177
This was the second large culture shift, I think it was 2008/2009 ish. After chanology, the house divided once more into what 4chan's purpose really was. On one side was serious and the oldfag side was "4chan is for the lulz". People who were easily bothered, angered, "moralfags", blogposters (like I am now, hypocrite), baww posters who would make boring threads.

4chan didn't have a political alignment. At the time, no one really knew or cared what a republican or democrat was beyond a few test questions in senior year of high school. It was shit you didn't remember like "how a bill becomes a law". It was the most boring game ever for old people to pass the time and be serious. Just do what makes sense and do what's fun. Anyone who gets buttmad is a cringe faggot who should fuck off back to Gaia.

>Boston police ridiculed for doing what cops do and overreacting to a well known kids toy connected to a battery lit up in public.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Boston_Mooninite_panic

Nerd shit was fun. Non nerd shit was serious, and the two were mering at this time. Boomers were getting ridiculed for responding too serious to nerd shit. But now nerd shit has become mundane, normified, and often serious. I think the fun level is still the same, we're just all burned out on it. Memes have been done to death.

>>82425375
>mering
Merging

>>82424718
It's because being a neet is no longer feasible for the majority of the population, has nothing to do with being a conformist, whatever that means for a chronically online consoomer

>>82423957 (OP)
For the same reason forums died. This was just a forum spinoff anyway.
If you could make money easily on 2005's internet 4chan would basically be an adboard, which is kinda what is becoming now with all the blogspammers and people making "add me on discord" threads over and over.

Twitter becoming x. Made us useless.

>>82423957 (OP)
tiktok and elon twitter I guess

holy shit this thread makes me nostalgic for something i wasn't even there for

>>82425829
borrowed nostalgia for the unremembered 80s

Why do you guys still lurk /r9k/? I just assumed most of you were dead

>>82424023
>This board went to shit when they started to ban women hate threads.
Just got to /pol/ or refresh and you'll see 5.

>>82423957 (OP)
Bahahahahahaha total 4shit death. Get fucked hirogook.

>>82425859
I browse between things happening. Currently waiting for din dins to be cooked.
Used to be a no lifer and now I'm scared that I've got too much to live for

>>82423983
>/sp/ 20 p/m
>/lgbt/ 7 p/m
>/b/ 37 p/m
well of course 4cuck is dying, somehow the mental illness board is growing even though everyone hates trannies and fags, the sportscuck board is basically full of thirdies and fat brown niggers and /b/ is basically normalfag central, 4chanx is the only reason this site has survived.

>>82425859
To me it's zoomers that seem to be dying. It seems like every time I look at the news, some actor or social media influencer has died in their 20s or 30s. It's weird.

pic rel some cosplayer. That was basically the most whorish that most cosplayers would get. Low effort camwhores would become a thing like five years later.

>>82423957 (OP)
They roped themselves?
Seriously, I guess that ten day outage broke a lot of anons' addiction to this place. Godspeed.
Just a shame all the spammers and Israelis came back to keep ruining what is left.

My oldest HDD is an IDE spinner that still works. The oldest file I have is from 1997 and is an Evangelion pic because I mainly used the internet for weeb shit back then. I lost all my earlier stuff to hard drive failure before I learned what that was.

>>82424666
checked and oldfagpilled

>>82425859
I actually came back because of women. My last ex (gf at the time) heard about 4chan on the Colbert Report (she was kind of a SJW) and asked me if I came here with an accusatory tone. She told me about "incels" and misogynists and terroism and I was confused because I remembered only one board, r9k, which had "wizards" and one regular occuring thread called "beaches and shores" which meant "bitches and whores" (where anons would list times females had been shitty to them). I said she was lied to but I came back to see and man this placed changed.
I left again but then came back when another woman asked about where quiet introverts hang out. She became a tripwhore here for a few years (sorry about that, I didn't think that would happen). We'd post together sometimes and that got me back into it and I've stayed since then bc nowhere hits like this place does.

Pic rel is from a website run by a otaku girl, Gabrielle, who had a weird crush on commander ikari and would photoshop him into absolutely everything.
She was among the last of an era of the internet; web pages called "web shrines". Which were just personal websites made by normal people like you and I and we would just put our favorite stuff on it and it had a guestbook where visitors from all over could leave comments. Older nerds put family photos and/or personal science projects. Weebs just put pics of their favorite media. Ads were rare. Instead there were buttons that were links to other similar, relevant websites that would form a "web ring". And that was one of the ways to waste time; to click through a web ring and read and collect pics you liked.
Angelfire and Geocities was the popular wepbage hosts, so anyone could have a small website for free, without managing a server.

At the time, webrings were the best way to find anything. It was like internet "word of mouth". There were no search engines back then. Yahoo! and AOL were battling to be the choice search engine, but they sucked. Ask Jeeves became a thing to solve the problem and was hardly better. Google wouldn't come until much later.

Did you know that in 1999, "Yahoo!" turned down the opportunity to buy Google for 1 million? Remember when "Yafoo" was a parody website, and the "toxic waste" section was the closest thing to SomethingAwful before SomethingAwful. It wasn't really funny, just spoofy, but it was the most known armpit of the WWW internet at the time.

Our school computers had a set of rules, and one of them was specifically "DO NOT GO TO STICKDEATH.COM". The district had one IT person who only knew how to install "Fortes" and not much else. You could actually pull up porn freely. If there were too many boys at the computers, some faculty would come check on you.
Sometimes, the boyos would open Microsoft Text To Speech, turn the volume to max, and type in long, gross paragraphs for Microsoft Sam to read out loud. It would take so long to process the paragraph, that you could casually walk across the library before it loaded and started reading the text.
There are some raunchy things that are funny when being yelled by a robot while a mortified old lady frantically tries to stop it.

>>82426685
It's interesting how much of the early web only exists in the memories of people who were there at the time. Back then, I figured that everything would be mirrored, archived, saved, etc, but what really happened is that information became far more ephemeral than it was in the analog days of yore. Even sites like archive.org are woefully incomplete because they've been scrubbed of anything that might be "offensive" or embarrassing to anyone with influence.

>>82423957 (OP)
> A long, long time ago, I can still remember...
There was a parody song about it.

i wish i was alive during the golden years of the internet, i feel like i dont belong anywhere everything is so shitty now ;_;

>>82426848
>My my this here anakin guy..

>>82423995
>that spike in rope traffic a few months after a spike in 4chan traffic
kek

>>82423957 (OP)
The 2016 election ended

>>82423983
The gap is even bigger when you consider about a third of /r9k/ posts are trannies and faggots who need to go back to /tttt/

>Smaller internet communites, le bad
Only shartyfags think about this

>>82426813
Yeah, none of the sites I went to are functional on the waybackmachine. I kinda suspected the smaller webpages and BBSes would go offline someday, but not the larger webring hubs and turnpikes.
What I thought would be around forever in some form or another were the big box stores that sold media and electronics. When the Hastings had free coffee and you could sit in comfy easy chairs and read niche books or listen to sample CDs, I thought it would only get better. It was like a public library but nicer and everything was for sale instead of just borrowing. I loved hanging out there with this girl I crushed on. We would browse together, then split up, and then meet each other again and exchange finds and maybe buy something.

And Suncoast. The only brick and mortar that had a little anime section. I would mow lawns and wash cars and save up the money and buy Evangelion on VHS tape, one at a time for like $28 each, which was a ripoff but that's how anime was because so many people had to be paid. The original artists Yoshiyuki and Anno, the studio Gainax, the licenser and dubber ADV films, the brick and mortar store, Suncoast. The anime tax was steep.
It was easier and cheaper to watch flash animations like your pic rel, so a lot of the younger kids did that exclusively until they could get summer jobs.