Thread 82759987

why cant i just stop wasting time and spend it drawing? i feel like i was made specifically to want and be unable to practice this skill
nothing short of putting me in solitary confinement with just pencils, paper, and some art books would work and id still probably spend 3/4ths of the time laying around doing nothing

Nothing? Or on a device?

>>82760003
just laying in bed and taking naps mostly, at best i resort to being productive in order to procrastinate more
i dont remember a single time that i was ever actually able to put good effort into learning something

>>82760030
because you have no vision. Why do you want to get good at drawing? you don't even like it

>>82760052
there are a lot of things id like to draw, but i lack the skill to do so, so id like to learn how so i can draw them

>>82759987 (OP)
I believe most inaction is caused by the fear of having to exert effort. you have to stop viewing it as some awful task. remember, tasks are not "bad" tasks are tasks, no different from pouring a soda or moving your chair. it gets worse when you avoid it, teaching your mind that's it's something to be afraid of

>>82760135
but how do i force myself to do it? ive been afraid of effort like this for as long as i can remember, at most i can do it when i say
>you have to do x before you can do y
and that only works as long as i have enough willpower to listen to myself and rationalize it as being reasonable

>>82759987 (OP)
As in the words of the great Jim Lee, if you don't want to bleed for it, you don't really want to get good at drawing.
Marc Brunet on youtube brings up some solid advice, half of the issue is actually just taking out your tablet/sketchbook. Once you do that, just commit yourself to just two minutes of drawing, that's it. 90% of people go past that two minutes, there really is nothing else to do but force yourself to just take out your sketchbook.

>>82760175
i leave my sketchbook sitting next to me most of the time so it takes less effort to pick it up, but most of the time i just sit there and get really antsy thinking of trying to actually do it until i can distract myself with something else or get agitated enough that i actually do do it
i guess i don't really want to "do" anything, bleeding for it would be easier, bleeding is easy, i guess i could say i want to, but the point is that people who do things were meant to do them and people who were not just never had it in them in the first place
it feels like i am defying my biology every time i manage to draw, because i am part of the people who don't have that special thing that just enables them to do things

>>82759987 (OP)
because you are not in a video call with me on discord to supervise you

>>82760147
I perhaps shouldn't have used the word "effort" because that can have a negative connotation to it. but exerting effort isn't "bad" either. you exerted effort just typing that response without even thinking about it.

also, the word "force" is fear-instilling. you shouldn't view it as you're forcing yourself to do it because you're not. you're choosing to do it because it's not "bad" nor harmful to you. for as long as you think otherwise you're not going to get anything done.

you simply need to do it. "willpower" is not a prerequisite, nor is rationalizing a reason for doing it. you simply do it and teach your mind there's nothing to be afraid of. it's an exposure. if you really want, you can try practicing this by doing others things like reading, or even just taking out the trash but you're going to have to face the art thing at some point

>>82759987 (OP)
idk man I'm like this with everything, we just have terminal slop brain or something. I'm infinitely envious of people that just do things like this without having it have to be some deliberate effort, like more than doing they "are" that thing. Even more so if it's something that turned out to actually be lucrative/productive/useful when they got older. It's like everything I think sounds interesting or cool or I have some admittedly surface level appreciation of I'm always an imposter at the end of the day because I wasn't like these people that have just been doing the thing their whole lives because it occurred to them to do so seemingly effortlessly. That's not to say that they came out of the womb with complete mastery or even exceptional talent, but just that they're never in this contradictory mental rut where they're drawn to a thing yet aren't compelled to the point of actualizing it. I guess the best thing people like us can do is miraculously put all this mental masturbation and navel gazing behind us and just do. idk

>>82760900
maybe, i guess this is just what it's like to be a normalfag, you just sort of have to be an npc your wholelife and any attempt to break from that will never work because it's not programmed to
plus they always seem so smug about it, it sucks to effectively be locked out of being human while everyone else just gets to experience life and do things besides sleep and eat

>>82759987 (OP)
just pace around your room with a wooden tablet, papers, a black ink pen, and sketch stuff

that's how I do it

>>82760175
forcing stuff is ngmi /beg/ territory

if you're not playful and curious then get yourself to become such

>>82761014
not everyone is some born creative genius like you anon, some of us are just nothing and still wish we could draw anyway

>>82760399
i just cant wrap my head around it anon, if i had to describe it it's like being in bed and feeling so heavy that you cant move, except its your arms and you just cant manage to reach over and grab your sketchbook
sketching for 5 minutes or so isnt impossible if i manage that, but as many anons will point out, real people who actually want to do art pick their's up and draw for hours upon hours with no issue, i think i just have some type of brain damage

>>82760995
See, I somewhat agree but I don't think I would characterize it as normalfaggotry exactly because of how painfully aware we are of the state we're in. I really think the solution is to just do and stop overthinking things but obviously I understand that's easier said than done. It's a like a form of choice paralysis that simultaneously stems from fear of failure, having many different potential interests, and fear of investing too much time in something that will ultimately be fruitless but ironically you end being fruitless anyways because you just sit around thinking about it instead of just putting yourself out there. For me at least it's kinda like being a red mage from Final Fantasy where you just dabble in all sorts of things to a somewhat competent degree but you can never make yourself surpass your limits and achieve true mastery over any one thing

>>82761029
I actually started with grinding for a year until I shat blood and got burned out with scribbling next to nothing for some time

it's a very deep visceral mindset thing. I really started improving only when I stopped getting all competitive and got playful and curious instead

>>82761144
i guess we're a bit different then, i dont feel like a red mage, more like someone who wishes they could be that even, but never does anything to achieve that
i just cant bring myself to do it for some reason, even if its completely useless and pointless to do, i think drawing is the thing i want to do, nothing else ive ever done has ever made me want to do it, i always just think "this is pointless/a waste of time" but i cant feel the same way about drawing even if it's also a waste
but i guess we do both think too much

>>82761185
Among Us bread.

>>82759987 (OP)
Make a habit of it. Like as soon as you get home immediately go and draw for 30 mintues. Every weekday. The worst part is the initial inertia, but when you make a habit of it, as if it were a job or something, it's easier to start over and over.