Thread 82784432

please explain why you arent vegan. animals can suffer and live horrible nightmarish lives because of your preference for meat

you can be healthy without meat. it would seem like the world would be a better place if factory farms didnt exist. i think all robots should be vegan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLTAGOUiqMQ

>>82784432 (OP)
I suffer too and no one cares
fuck off

>>82784432 (OP)
if animals need to eat eachother to survive, why arent we allowed to? we are also animals (we rape, murder, like animals) and die without meat because we are omnivores

>>82784444
yeah but it would seem its wrong to needlessly cause horrific suffering to animals, you know?

even if you suffer, infact, even if you were bullied or abused, that doesnt make it okay to needlessly torture and kill aniamls, you know? two wrongs dont make a right, anon. rise above such primitive depressing monkey ethics. you should know better

>>82784462
>if animals need to eat eachother to survive, why arent we allowed to?
because animals will starve to death otherwise. they are obligate carnivores; they cant eat potatoes or beans. you can. they dont have the option to, they cant go to the supermarket. you can

https://yourveganfallacyis.com/en/animals-eat-animals

>we are also animals (we rape, murder, like animals)
yeah sure, but rape and murder are wrong, arent they? it would seem the same is true if you do it to pigs or cows

>and die without meat because we are omnivores
thats not true. you can be healthy and live long on a vegan diet. lots of vegans live long and have lower rates of diseases like diabetes or heart attacks
lots of health organizations say you can be healthy on a vegan diet, pic related!

You are very right, OP. Every life is valuable! Nerver eat animals or hurt them!

Why do so many people eat fij? Fij cannot defend himself, he hasn't even arms and hans! What a coward to go hunting after fish with a murder boat! Fijshing is murder!

>>82784944
yeah i think its wrong
i dont know
i think about god often, and i just look at god and think
"would god be pleased with the way humans treat animals?"

and i just cant imagine it would be the case
i think all robots and incels should go vegan, as a pascal's wager gamble on the offchance that god is real and cares about morals

if your life is empty and lonely anyways, might as well min-max your chances in the afterlife, if you have no hope in this one

>>82784432 (OP)
>you can be healthy without meat.
Wrong.
Fuck off, kike.

>>82784432 (OP)
i like meat, yeah we are cruel to animals but honestly i don't care

>>82785070
thats not true!
the adventist vegetarians, one of the blue zone groups, dont eat meat at all. they are vegan/vegetarians, and one of the longest living people in the world! the longest living in USA, and they are located in loma linda california

blue zone groups are groups of people who are very high likelyhood to live to 100

>>82785097
but its wrong, anon. dont you think you ought to care? dont you think cowardly participating in hurting animals is something you ought to be ashamed of?

i think even if you dont care, just pretend at the start, because its the right thing to do, morally speaking. and over time, once you pretend long enough, you sort of become the person you pretend to be

you know?
surely if anyone has beliefs about god or reincarnation or the afterlife, then surely veganism would be a strong strategic bet to make right now?

>>82784432 (OP)
I'm not vegan, I only eat fish (I don't really care about the lives of fish) as far as meat goes, and the eggs and dairy I get are from local farms that have really good conditions for their chicken and cows. Generally speaking I just value the lives and comfort of mammals way more than other forms of life because of an arbitrary closeness I feel towards them.

>>82785064
Does God want you to refrain from a thing just so that you wont get punished?

The words 'God' and 'good' are not coincidentally the same. Do what you believe is right. Unless you believe it is better to do what you believe is wrong.

>>82784432 (OP)
I'm doing a balance diet while intermittent fasting. I can't afford to eat only carbs.

>>82784432 (OP)
provide me with a wife that makes me vegan meals and i will comply.
our children will eat meat until i am satisfied by evidence that a vegan diet will not harm them.
i make vegan chili sometimes

>>82785130
i am a Christian and it's very clear that we are superior to animals, we are here to expand and dominate the land. I don't take pleasure on the suffering of this animals but I don't feel guilt either.

>>82785192
>i am a Christian and it's very clear that we are superior to animals
sure, but if you met god, would this god be pleased with how you paid people to treat aniamls?
surely a god is thought to be a benevolent being? and i honestly cant imagine how a benevolent being would condone or be happy with so much violence on innocent animals

>>82785167
you cant afford beans, lentils, tofu? peanuts and rice? grains are very cheap. plant proteins are much cheaper than meat or dairy

>>82785139
>as far as meat goes, and the eggs and dairy I get are from local farms that have really good conditions for their chicken and cows
but its still murder.... how can a farm be "ethical" if they needlessly kill animals?
these cows and dairy are still killed at a fraction of their natural lifespan. at the same age, and at the same slaughterhouses. "humane" meat is just a label meat companies use to make you feel better. its still wrong

>>82785162
i do find it very sad that so much evil exists in the world. i also have doubts about wether a god even exists. but maybe it does, lots of people have beliefs about something non-physical, in which case, its reasonable to be vegan

>>82785261
giwtwm so much

>>82784432 (OP)
Cant believe one of those makes one of these

>>82785292
Like zamn

>>82785261
>you cant afford beans, lentils, tofu? peanuts and rice? grains are very cheap. plant proteins are much cheaper than meat or dairy
Those foods aren't satiating enough to last me 16 hours of fasting. I need to lose weight and I know I can't do it on a vegan diet, too much sugar and carbs.

>>82785261
I'm not eating their meat so I am not too concerned about their lifespan. Most animals die young, humans are the exception, and those cows and chickens live a relatively comfortable and easy life compared to their wild counterparts. I'd eat chicken if I were raising my own since, in the past, I have raised and killed my own chickens, but I don't have the patience or time for it these days. Cattle, as they exist, are basically brainless mouths on legs. I find eating them disagreeable, since their existence is disgusting in and of itself, but their deaths occur on such a scale with or without my participation that I can't be too upset about the dying itself.

Truthfully, I don't eat much in general, I rarely eat more than one meal a day, frequently I don't even eat that much.

>>82785317
>I need to lose weight and I know I can't do it on a vegan diet, too much sugar and carbs.

over a long term, vegans have the lowest bodyfat % and lowest rates of obesity out of any diet?
in fact, vegans, as a whole, are the only dietary group which are not fat or obese! the only dietary group who on average are in the "healthy" range of body weight

>>82784462
This. Animals eat each other too, after all we are also animals.

>>82785261
animals live on violence, they kill each other for survival, maybe we don't need to eat animals to survive anymore but is not morally wrong to keep eating them

>>82785495
>Most animals die young
well animals in the wild do live longer. no animal in captivity lives past teenage years. they are all killed at a fraction of their natural lifespan, in a gas chamber. gas chambers are actually a very painful way to die

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7hAELEBjX4

>and those cows and chickens live a relatively comfortable and easy life compared to their wild counterparts
they're children. all the animals you see are children animals who grew up in cramped conditionsm, had no parents, and are killed once they become adults. its really quite horrific, its not nice

>Cattle, as they exist, are basically brainless mouths on legs
they can fell and suffer. they're not brainless

>but their deaths occur on such a scale with or without my participation
if you go vegan, your contribution to this system of violence will end. over enough time, this will result in less animals being born. even one person can make a difference

I already only eat one meal a day as it is. I'd end up starving to death as a vegan.

I grew up on a farm and have seen first hand how cows are treated. There's no reason to feel bad about eating beef.

>>82784462
Animals are also allowed to rape eachother, no? Dolphins and monkeys will literally mess and play with other species just for a sick thrill by human standards.

I'm not vegan, but it's subhuman mouthbreathing retarded mystery meat niggers like you that give meat eaters a bad name. It's easy to justify eating meat without saying "but I need to act like an animal" lmao

>>82784432 (OP)
>you can be healthy
im working on it
once thats done, ill consider being vegetarian

like I know it's possible to be vegan and fat so it's not just
>be vegan and you'll automatically be healthy

>>82784432 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kQ1B7iEjwk

>>82785826
>but on MUH farm-
No one cares. I'm not a even a basedboy vegan, but no one cares about your farm.

>>82785568
animals rape eachother and kill their own children all the time. infantaside is very common in the animal kindgom. does that make it okay for humans to rape and kill their children?

anon, we dont get our morals from wild animals, nor should we. just because a lion does it, doesnt make it okay for you to do it. you're better than that, you can understand right from wrong, animals cant

>>82785628
>maybe we don't need to eat animals to survive anymore but is not morally wrong to keep eating them
but of course its wrong. its needless violence and cruelty. is it okay to inflict needless cruelty in any other circumstance? like torturing dogs for fun, for example? like hasan piker recently

>>82785810
>I'd end up starving to death as a vegan.
thats not true. just eat lots of vegan food. it can be pretty yummy. falafel wraps can have a lot calories if thats what you want

>>82785826
heres a thought experiment:
why is it okay to kill animals for meat, but not humans?
what is true about animals, that if true about humans, would make it okay to kill humans for meat?

I'm trying not to eat pork or beef. I don't know if I can give up milk or chicken yet but hopefully some day. I think it's something.

>>82785863
>why is it okay to kill animals for meat, but not humans?
>what is true about animals, that if true about humans, would make it okay to kill humans for meat?
Well, animals aren't capable of existential dread for one. There's no reason to protect them from something they can't experience or even comprehend.

>>82785863
except is not for fun, is for food which is far more nutritious than vegan alternatives, is most cases you would depend on supplements in order to have a healthy vegan diet. Also you sre forgetting an even bigger problem: the economic and job disaster that it would be if most people went vegan

>>82785877
>Well, animals aren't capable of existential dread for one
yeah but thats only because they're not intelligent enough

so its okay to torture and kill humans who cant feel existential dread? what about the mentally disabled, and mentally retarded children? they will never be able to be intelligent enough to feel existential dread. is it okay to kill them for meat? be consistent please

>>82784500
Animals eat other animals all of the time nigger, it's a food chain. Deal with it.

>>82785890
animals kill their own childrean all the time and rape eachother. does killing children and rape become okay because animals do it? do you think we should model our behavior on wild animals?

>>82785863
I'm very picky and enjoy very rich foods, which is the problem. It's not even no meat that's the problem. No cheese, no milk, no eggs, it's not even possible to have an apple pie. I mean god damn. Even fried rice would be a struggle without certain ingredients.

>>82785889
>so its okay to torture and kill humans who cant feel existential dread? what about the mentally disabled, and mentally retarded children? they will never be able to be intelligent enough to feel existential dread. is it okay to kill them for meat? be consistent please
As a human I came from a place where I wasn't self-aware, I'm not going to treat other people as animals because they're at a place where I once was.

I am vegetarian not vegan because I do not believe that it is immoral to eat eggs. Maybe I am just coping and should take the next step though

Vegans do make a good point, and they make me taste the pain of my burgers. I'll quit some day, but I know I'm already inherently evil.

>>82786034
>eating food is evil
Wow

>>82786000
>I am vegetarian not vegan because I do not believe that it is immoral to eat eggs.
i think eggs are immoral because think is what happens to male baby chickens
just like in the human world, excess males are send to be genocided. they literally ground them up in a macerator by the thousands an hour

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uw5c5kSVr4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdvnDHKB7nA

>>82786034
>but I know I'm already inherently evil
you know, i think that all humans would do something if the benefit would be great enoughh
>"would you punch this baby for 10 billion dollars, a harem of beautiful sexy girls who love you, you'll live to 500, you'll be handsome, etc etc"
at some point all reasonable people will have to concede its stupid not to punch the baby

its just that the sheer amount of suffering caused to these animals compared to the pleasure you get from eating them is rather negligible. imagine if some alien was eating you. no matter how orgasmic your flesh would taste in a sandwhich, it probably caused you great harm and death

i think your position is great because atleast you arent these kind of "heh bacon, eat shit vegans" people. much more advanced than them!