Thread 83047930

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>>83047930 (OP)
Killed the previous thread by responding too slow again. I hate it when it happens and I miss (you)s.

just got out of rehab and my charges were dropped so I'm feeling pretty good, but being unable to drink or touch benzos is a bit dull. there aren't enough fun, functional drugs out there. I can't do speed or coke because the comedown always gives me insane anxiety which I used to treat with benzos before I went off the res with alcohol. I'm pretty much Hippie sober now. gay

>>83047930 (OP)
also I'm starting to recognize these OPs. I hope you are having a nice night.

im on 0.5mg ativan nightly, have been on for a few months after going psychotic, should I jump or taper

>>83048089
bridge to diazepam and do a short taper over the course of about 3 months

Been over 2 years since i last used hard drugs, 4 months since i stopped smoking weed. Nothing has changed. I'm still having those "psychotic tier" thoughts and weird stuff happening. I'm going to go back to smoking weed so I can at least chill. Sobriety is a scam, just like hard drugs are. Weed is the answer.

>>83048166
>I'm still having those "psychotic tier" thoughts and weird stuff happening
Elaborate

>>83048144
really? i was originally on 32mg ativan when i was psychotic and have no memory of tapering down to 1 mg but i apparently did it in like less than 6 months. which was likely hell for my nervous system. but i did it (luckily i dont remember it as it was probably agony) so im thinking i could get off 0.5mg relatively easy now. ive been on 1 mg for a few months and went to 0.5 about a month ago and felt no difference. I'm thinking of going to .25 for about 2 weeks then just jumping.

my psych said i could jump from 1 mg to 0 and not feel anything but shes pretty retarded so I dont really believe that an extreme of a jump. ik the half life is crazy and most recommend a bridge but i feel I might be fine. im not really experienced w benzos and havent really felt the wd. im more of an opiate guy

>>83048171
Paranoia symptoms I guess. My last hard drug use was meth, binged hard on it, had speed induced psychosis and serious paranoid episode. Now i regularly hear people talking about me when i'm anxious, shit like i pass by someone and i hear stuff that i'm not even sure are real like "it's that guy" "it's him" etc etc and when i'm missing sleep my thoughts pattern inside my head are literally like being on a lower dose of psychdelic like let's says 100ug of LSD for example. When i'm very stressed I experience dissociation and delusion. Most recurring delusion is shit like "i'm in a dream or tripping on DMT and soon i'll wake up from this shit" then over hours or after sleep it reset and i'm like "yeah, i was tired. it is what it is". I'm absolutely sure that it's because of meth. It was never like this prior meth.

>>83048204
I also often have episode where i'm somewhat convinced i'm understanding reality and mystical history, shit like hinduism etc. But I've alwayas had these episode even before drugs. Might be the 'tism idk. I'm not autistic though as far as i know. Meth most likely worsened everything. Funny thing is that cannabis actually make all those stuff happen less frenquently even though it is supposedly fuel for psychotic symptoms etc. Weed just make me so braindead i just live the moment.

>>83048188
Actually, if online conversion rate calculators are at all correct, 0.5mg Ativan is 3-4mg of diazepam, so that might actually be low enough to jump. Keep in mind that for a lot of people, the last bit is the hardest. I was in a similar situation and I dropped a huge amount very fast, but the final few mg took me a while to get rid of without a taper. If you're one of the lucky ones who just isn't sensitive to it or prone to anxiety, maybe you can pull it off. Since you're already at such a low dose, perhaps you could try spacing doses out further and further--that has worked for me as well. I personally jumped at 2.5 mg diazepam, so not much less than where you're at, and I consider myself sensitive to it.

>>83048204
>>83048228
have you considered trialing an atypical antipsychotic or getting on a low dose benzo for when you're feeling stressed? I think weed is likely to make your problem worse

>>83048237
I've had very bad experience with psychiatry, i'm staying away from psychiatry institute/meds forever. I feel like i'm in control enough of my mind. the shits i experience used to make me extremely stressed/panicky, but now i'm used to it and it's just like "yeah it's happening" and i just have to wait for it to end without stressing desu. It even has become a "stess compas" desu. When the symptoms get bad, i know i'm stressed or need to sleep. I'm not doing any psychedelics or stimulant or anything beside opi/cannabis ever again though. I know/think i'm aware of being on thin ice though.

>>83048229
>conversion calculators*
>to get rid of with a taper*

>>83048228
>Weed just make me so braindead i just live the moment.
It doesn't exacerbate your psychosis?

>>83048261
>I've had very bad experience with psychiatry
yeah, they are fucking quacks, and most antidepressants/antipsychotics are just poorly understood chemical lobotomies, but if your life is being impacted severely by your schizo episodes, it might still be beneficial
does weed help? it doesn't help me anymore on its own; unless I'm in a very safe/stable place, it just makes me paranoid. idk what they put in that shit nowadays but it's not fun for me. had to give it up but I've read that high cbd mixes can be beneficial

>>83048272
Doesn't seem to. It really make my mind blank, always has been like this for me. I never experienced the increasement of enjoyment/euphoria or whatever people report from weed. It used to make me fiend for food like benzo, but after years of using it doesn't trigger hunger anymore even after t-break. It just make my mind calm. Worst side effect i get from weed is boredom, but i like it, it's a comfortable boredom. A calm boredom somewhat. When i'm smoking daily i always smoke at the same time (evening) and if i don't smoke then my symptoms worsen though. But it never get bad when i'm smoking. I think it's because of the increased stress from the lack of weed somewhat

>>83048293
I'm envious that weed works for you like that. Have you ever been correct in any of your 'delusional' or 'psychotic' thoughts or views? Have you tried measuring them to verify your initial impression?

>>83048286
>antidepressants/antipsychotics are just poorly understood chemical lobotomies
exactly my experience too, yeah. Also psychiatrist are the biggest fools i've ever met. I've had talks with irl crackhead that were more beneficial for my mental health than appointment with psychs overall.

>does weed help? it doesn't help me anymore on its own; unless I'm in a very safe/stable place, it just makes me paranoid.

Never experienced regular weed anxiety while smoking, just some panic attack when smoking again after a t-break, then no anxiety or anything. I just feel overwhelmed then it never happen again. Even stronger stuff like wax/resin etc doesn't make me anxious, but the panic attack after a t-break/relapse hit harder on such stronger product though. I'm constantly anxious while sober though so maybe i don't notice the anxiety on weed even though there's some? maybe idk

>>83048317
>Have you ever been correct in any of your 'delusional' or 'psychotic' thoughts or views
I've used to read a lot about mysticism/esoterism etc for years even though i stopped for quite some time because it isn't helping my fucked psyche. What I realized is that my delusion etc are actually very common in this field of thing. I don't like the rabbit hole of mystic/shaman/yogi etc so i stopped reading such stuff. It's glorified mental illness imo.

But yeah, it at least made me realize i'm not the first one or alone in this psychic rabbit hole.

to answer the question more correctly >Have you ever been correct in any of your 'delusional' or 'psychotic' thoughts or views
My "paranoid" thoughts at least saved me from serious trouble against some people in the past. Could've gotten me killed if my brain didn't go full schizo mode. Turn out the """"paranoia"""" was actually real even though it was like a fire fueled with gasoline if that make sense.

>>83048378
>My "paranoid" thoughts at least saved me from serious trouble against some people in the past. Could've gotten me killed if my brain didn't go full schizo mode. Turn out the """"paranoia"""" was actually real even though it was like a fire fueled with gasoline if that make sense.
yeah, some paranoia is justified, you might call it caution or concern

>>83048171
Yah I got this too, I'm coping by saying well, I'm mentally ill, the hyper realistic shit is problematic, but I just do a spot the difference. Now all I gotta deal with is mood issues and motivation problems, which are being solved as my illness ramps up.

>>83048452
indeed. instinct or whatever. I'm just vibing with it all. I don't care if it's paranoia or real caution anymore. I literally take the hunter thompson quote seriously. Shit like "paranoia is just extra awareness" or something along the line. This world is dangerous, people are extremely dangerous.

>>83048470
To clarify, I'm coming out of a major depressive episode, and meds are helping me with the psychotic side effects. I've almost pulled the trigger on seeing my psych, but so far, I'm not doing horrible like I was worried about.

>>83048472
That's fine, as long as it works. I had the issue where I'd be manic, and drive on the wrong side of the road.

>>83048486
Mania seem like an absolutely worse problem than paranoia, imo. Bless you.

>>83048472
>>83048481
>>83048486
>>83048495
Have you guys tried LSD or other psychs? It supposedly exacerbates these problems, but I wonder if it could help for some. I suppose if you can't keep your shit together while sober, you wouldn't be able to while tripping.

>>83048526
I've done every psychdelics more than twice, except all the RCs. It either make my mental health better or make me extra batshit insane for 2 months or so. I'm not touching these stuff anymore now that i'm past 25. Feel like maturity made me realize it's better to not fuck too much with such potent stuff, especially ridiculously strong out of this world stuff like DMT

>>83048545
yeah will not fuck with DMT either i agree
but LSD I enjoy

>>83048070
>my charges were dropped so I'm feeling pretty good
Good news! Hope they weren't too hard on you. Was it a simple possesion charge? Those suck ass. But drug use needs to be hidden and private to avoid trouble. Won't help you in a raid, though.
>being unable to drink or touch benzos is a bit dull
You'll power through it, I know so! Do you have to submit to routine drug tests or are you done with the entire ordeal?
>there aren't enough fun, functional drugs out there
GABApentinoids sound like what you're looking for. Also very low doses of Opiates are more fun than being sober and are functional, so consider trying low doses of "soft" Opiates like codeine, oral Morphine, Tramadol, or even Kratom if you can score any, and providing you don't have any drug tests planned. Do avoid oxys and 7OH, though. Especially to start with. They might feel awesome, but they're mad addictive (especially snorted) and will ruin your life in many colorful, shameful, and hurtful ways as I've seen and heard time and time again ITT.

It's good you're off the Coke, for sure.
It's an evil shit-tier drug that's not even worth the tons of money spent on it, or any amount of money spent on it at all, thinking about it.

You can use speed and soften its comedown with redosing smaller and smaller amounts every 20-40mins when feeling it coming down hard; so, depending on the main dose, something like 30mg, then 20mg, then maybe another 20mg or 10mg depending on how you feel, then 10mg, then, if you feel you've to, one or two final 5mg doses. All in order to slowly lower you down the gradual levels of the high's amount of effect, taking you closer to baseline level as doses become smaller and smaller to less effect, leaving you more and more sober without sharply dropping you. You might be left with a slight buzz feeling, but it will gently fade away with minimal to no hard crash, anxiety, or any compulsion to redose anymore again; worked for me, anyway.

>>83048084
>also I'm starting to recognize these OPs
How so? I try to be sneaky with my OP pics.
>I hope you are having a nice night
It's early morning, and I'm riding-out last night's Meth session but I'm having a good time. I won't sleep today, but it's not as bad with a generous amount of benzos on hand.

>>83048089
>im on 0.5mg ativan nightly, have been on for a few months after going psychotic, should I jump or taper
At 0.5? That's nothing, you can quit cold-turkey easy. I take 3-5mg nightly and stopped for a few nights to see what happens. Nothing happend, and I was able to sleep normally. Lorazepam's always been weak for me for some reason, and only recently that I found it to be a serviceable sleep-aid.

drugs are gay and will turn you gay, never forget

>>83048938
you're thinking of stims

>>83048833
>Hope they weren't too hard on you
I thought cops were out to prevent crime and help good people but it turns out they just want to charge you with as much as they possibly can if they think they can make a case and if you're low status/they simply don't like you. (I did make mistakes and commit some crimes as a result of my alcoholism, but they piled on charges due to my previous contact with them.) I faced 3 felonies and 4 misdemeanors; all felonies were dropped, one misdemeanor was dropped, and I served a couple of months and went to rehab for the remaining misdemeanors.
>GABApentinoids sound like what you're looking for
Does that include phenibut? I have a fear of it due to my alcohol problem--if I got on the phenibut train, I don't think I'd ever get off of it. I have tried gabapentin and it felt like a mild cross between a benzo and phenibut.

>It's good you're off the Coke, for sure.
I never had a problem with cocaine or any other drug, really, except for alcohol. I used it as a crutch for a difficult situation and it snuck up on me.

Your speed technique would definitely not work for me. My best experience with that is good old oral Adderall and even that gives me awful anxiety on the comedown.

What is your drug of choice?

>>83048919
>I take 3-5mg nightly
>stopped for a few nights
>nothing happened
>a few nights
oh my sweet summer child

>>83048958
>they just want to charge you with as much as they possibly can if they think they can make a case
Yeah, so I've heard.
>all felonies were dropped, one misdemeanor was dropped, and I served a couple of months and went to rehab for the remaining misdemeanors
I see I see.
>Does that include phenibut?
Yes, but also Gabapentin and Pregabalin.
>What is your drug of choice?
Currently Meth. Once every 7-14 days. Having a blast, but also worried over potential health risks.

quick bump for my drugfellers, this gabapentin got me super fucked up wwhaaaat :D

>>83048962
>oh my sweet summer child
Wut? It should take 24-48 hours for withdrawals to happen. Are 3-4 nights not enough?

>>83049056
Even booze, which is incredibly short lived, takes up to 72h for the real shit symptoms (seizures, death) to start sometimes. Your dosage is not high but it's dangerously naive to think you're safe if you only skip a few days at a time.
>Currently Meth. Once every 7-14 days.
Are you on meth now? My favorite people to talk to are stim users. Too bad they almost always enter the inevitable downward spiral.

What do you guys enjoy doing on meth?
Im currently playing vidya and having okay enough time

>>83049095
>Even booze, which is incredibly short lived, takes up to 72h for the real shit symptoms (seizures, death) to start sometimes
The half-life of Lorazepam is 12-20 hours, I think I'm safe with 3-4 nights.
>Are you on meth now?
Currently on benzos, coming down, so yeah.
>Too bad they almost always enter the inevitable downward spiral
Yikes, hope it won't happen to me. Didn't so far, with 6-8 months of use.

>>83049134
>What do you guys enjoy doing on meth?
Stimposting and talking to anons, mostly.

>>83049197
do you feel the need to move around while on it or do you feel comfortable sitting/lying down. I know it's a stim so I shouldn't be surprised but still the extra fun I get from vidya is somewhat offset by the restless feeling I get when I'm still

>>83049214
>do you feel the need to move around while on it or do you feel comfortable sitting/lying down
I usually lay down upright in bed. Meth mellows me out.

>>83049292
Isn't that supposed to happen when you have ADHD? I've never taken adderal but I've heard that while it riles neurotypical people up it actually calms people with ADHD.

>>83049324
ADHD isn't real, and meth affects everyone the same way

>>83049324
>Isn't that supposed to happen when you have ADHD?
Idk. I have an ADHD diagnosis but its based on one anecdote and is most likely false. I don't have severe ADHD symptoms I hear some other people do.

>>83049422
would you mind checking your heartrate for me? I'm genuinely curious. google "tap bpm", works both on phone and PC.
Thanks

>>83049447
>would you mind checking your heartrate for me?
I won't do the Google thing, but I'm on a lot of benzos right now so my heartrate is prolly low. Then again, it's low while on Meth too. Idk why.

>>83049555
nice digits, coke definitely gets your heart rate up much more than meth for some reason, doesn't it?

why is codeine so retardedly expensive considering how weak it is? i dont want to do morphine or oxy but at this point that might be my only option

>>83049641
cute mimikyu

Some retard posted a "chasing the dragon" thread back in... 2006? 2007? I drink to forget and forget to drink but Its a crapshoot. Ill get drunk and find some amazing 10/10 threasd get some good replies, find a good movie, get some good replies on some retarded server. My most vivid lovely memories are of worthless nights where I reached that zenith... Farming fucking centaurs on a private WoW server. A real human being would have been out doing something or talking to somebody real )the internet and any replationship you make on it is worthless and ephemeral). R,e,eber m,eet the Fockers? Puff the Magic Dragon is just a song about friendship.

I asked (((AI))) what I should ask my therapist to consider prescribing if I really like alcohol but Im keeping it to one night per week (and now I've been sober for 6 weeks because they asked me to). It told me a low-dose short acting benzodiazepine like lorazepam 0,25mg could be an alternative if I feel I can keep it to once weekly. And pregabalin as an alternative.
Is this something I should ask the therapist about or will they just consider me as a junkie and put me in a ward?

anons i keep taking vyvanse late at night and it messes my sleep up/wastes them, any tips on preventing compulsive redosing

>>83049623
>coke definitely gets your heart rate up much more than meth for some reason, doesn't it?
I never have, nor ever wii, do Coke.

>>83050266
tell them you have anxiety and tried hydroxizine and valium or ativan worked for you in the past. you can get .5 mg ativan or 5 mg valium either one doesnt really raise red flags. not recommended if you are an actual junkie since it will just fuck your life up but if you really do have anxiety it's much healthier than alcohol

>>83049641
>i dont want to do morphine or oxy but at this point that might be my only option
Idk, but I've heard oral Morphine is considered a "soft" Opioid like Codeine and Tramadol. Is that true?
Oxys are reported as being hellinshly addictive, especially snorted. So take care.

>>83050309
>hydroxizine
Had to google what this was and it's done nothing at all for me.
>not recommended if you are an actual junkie
As I mentioned in my first post I have a somewhat problematic relationship with alcohol, but it doesn't cause issues in the rest of my life (work, gym, family, etc). I've never done any drugs outside of booze and nicotine (aside from what's been prescribed which is just antidepressants (ssri/snri), hydroxizine, quetiapine).

I'm starting to not like Pregabalin anymore.
It just makes me more retarded and frustrated.

I like taking 150mg tramadol IR instead now.

>>83050266
>It told me a low-dose short acting benzodiazepine like lorazepam 0,25mg could be an alternative
0.25 is extreamly low. I got Lorazepam in 1mg pills and do 3-5 to fall asleep. You'd prolly need 1-3 mg to replace Alcohol, though.
>And pregabalin as an alternative
Now that sounds like a more viable replacement to Alcohol. GABApentinoids notoriously have Alcohol-like effects. I think that's your safest bet.
>Is this something I should ask the therapist about or will they just consider me as a junkie
Always be smart with what you share with your doctor. But you can claim to have anxeity and are afraid of bonzos for being addictive and heared Pregabalin could be a helpful alternative. Be tactful about it and worst case they say no, but won't flag you as a "drug-seeker".

>>83049134
Man I really, really want to have insane sex with my wife on meth.
For us to forget everything else in our lives for 12 hours, get an Airbnb somewhere, take oral meth and just do everything we can think of for half a day.

Would be something.

>>83049324
>>83049422
ADHD isn't real, if stimulants calm you down instead of exciting you it's because you have dopamine tolerance due to an overstimulating lifestyle.
Easily fixed with lifestyle change.

>>83050337
>Had to google what this was and it's done nothing at all for me.
correction, that's what I meant - tell them hydroxizine hasn't worked for you

if you have a problematic relationship with alcohol you might also have problems with benzos, but if you have self control they can be a good alternative especially if the reason for your consumption is anxiety related which is the only real legitimate use for that medication. However they're supposed to be taken as needed, not regularly

>>83050270
>any tips on preventing compulsive redosing
1) Redose lower and lower untill you reach threshold, then stop.
2) Devide the pills into baggies and only one baggie a day. Once you're done with it, toss it away (or keep it for reuse), and don't even look at the other baggies. Essentially make yourself a preset max dose.
I do 2 with Meth and it workes like a charm.
Did 1 with speed to varying degrees of success.

>>83050440
1/10 forced me to respond

There is a fucking dent in your spakker head

>>83050419
Is pregabalin something junkies are asking psychiatrists for? Will I get labelled as just a junkie if I checked around for suitable replacements for drinking once a week.

They know about my drinking habits and that I have dropped booze now for 5 weeks after they asked me, so Im somewhat in control of my urges at least.

>Always be smart with what you share with your doctor
Will I get put in the loony bin if I tell them about self harm and suicidal ideation?

>>83050486
>"bro energy drinks don't do anything for me I can drink three and fall asleep"
I remember kids saying that in school
that's how you sound

>>83050409
>I'm starting to not like Pregabalin anymore
>I like taking 150mg tramadol IR instead now
Wish i had either right now. Count your blessings, anon.

>>83050489
I think going to a doc specifically requesting pregabalin, which most people won't know about unless they look it up or are prescribed it, will seem strange to your doc. It would be more natural/seem less sketch to them if you said you had anxiety and wanted some low dose medication to use for it occasionally, that 0.5 mg ativan works for your sister so you want to try that, something like that.

>Will I get put in the loony bin if I tell them about self harm and suicidal ideation?
yeah there's a chance they will put you on a psych hold, they can basically arrest you and put you in grippy socks for 72 hours and potentially even forcibly medicate you

>>83050517
It's not a blessing, I bought them. You just have to order them lol it's not a luck thing.

>>83050520
>they can basically arrest you and put you in grippy socks for 72 hours and potentially even forcibly medicate you
I don't live in burgerland (live in northern europe), I dont know what the law says they can do here.

>>83050520
>they can basically arrest you and put you in grippy socks for 72 hours and potentially even forcibly medicate you
I don't live in burgerland (live in northern europe), I dont know what the law says they can do here.
But I will look into if I should ask their opinion on pregabalin if they think it would be beneficial/work for me.

>>83050489
>Is pregabalin something junkies are asking psychiatrists for?
No, not afaik. As I said, be tactful and you'll be fine.
>Will I get put in the loony bin if I tell them about self harm and suicidal ideation?
Yes. Unless it's the actual reason you go, don't ever tell medical professionals about suicidal ideation or self-harm. It'll flag you as a "danger to yourself and/or others" and can end in a trip to the ward without consent.

What's the worst thing you've ever done while sober.

>>83050432
NTA.
>Man I really, really want to have insane sex with my wife on meth
It's cool your wife's into drugs. She's a keeper

>>83050594
She hasn't done anything in years because she's either always pregnant, breastfeeding, or both.
But once she's clear of both we'll have some fun again.

>>83050535
>You just have to order them lol it's not a luck thing
Well, I'm unlucky enough to live in a country where DNM use is extremly dangerois and not worth the risk. Also, no domestic vendors. And local dealers don't deal in Opiates/pharma stuff, so that's a no-go. I wish I could just order Opies without risking a life in prison. But it is what it is I guess. Again, count your blessings, anon.

>>83050571
I doubt any of my input applies to Europe, sorry, I assume your medical system is much more sane than ours

>>83050653
Us euros meme a lot on your medical system. But ours is like "Oh your leg got blown up by some arab gang war? Here's some paracetamol and a 3 day sick leave. Off you go then."

>>83050584
>What's the worst thing you've ever done while sober
Decide to smoke Weed fr fr.

>>83050653
NTA.
>I doubt any of my input applies to Europe, sorry, I assume your medical system is much more sane than ours
Not American, but what you described about being put on psych hold and being taken to the ward against your will and possibly medicated forcibly is more or less what's going on here.

>>83050660
>"Oh your leg got blown up by some arab gang war? Here's some paracetamol and a 3 day sick leave. Off you go then."
NTA. Public medicine sucks, that's why I choose private medicine instead. Although some public doctors were good to me and prescribed me with some potent stuff.

>>83050660
>leg got blown up by some arab gang war?
Come on man, where tf you live where that happens? Berlin? London?(<-not EU btw) Lisbon?
You pay for the yuro medical system with taxes rather than private/company insurance + its not third world level, which already puts it in the top bracket worldwide.

And so the thread went silent once again.

>>83047930 (OP)
so bros a relative of mine is addicted to nitrous and they are fkn losing their minds as I type this. im talking straight up hallucinating when they're off of it and laughing maniacally like a retarded crackhead for hours at a time when they're huffing balloons. WTF do i do? wtf can I do? im afraid they'll be braindead within a year or two if this continues. i dont do drugs because im a good boy so I have no experience with addiction, withdrawls, highs, come downs, literally any of this shit

>>83051048
Sorry about that. I slashed open my arm again and took a nap. Should I ask more dumb questions about therapy and what meds I should ask the psychiatrist for?

How do you roll MDMA? Do i just break the crystal in half and put one of those halfs inside the water bottle and let it dissolve or do i just break apart the dust and put it in my water bottle? Im confused as how im supposed to go with this, first time taking pure crystal MDMA so im starting with a low dose.

I have come to a conclusion on how I feel about concentrates/dabs when it comes to weed.

While the high is great it obliterates my tolerance and makes it so that I can't get properly high on normal weed for up to a couple of days later.
If I got just as high using normal weed or even eatables it would only take about 24 hours for my tolerance to go back down.

>>83051317
Nitrous deprives their brain of oxygen, they may be able to recover with intervention but long term use will kill their brain/motor skills off

>>83050584
Your mom.
Started drinking after that. Really really needed a drink.
The things I have seen...

>>83051317
>WTF do i do? wtf can I do?
The good news is Nitrous is not physically addictive, so no physical withdrawals, but it is psychologically addictive so he'll have to fight strong urges to huff some more. All you can do is sit him down for a conversation and unload all your worries and concerns (preferably written them first so you won't forget anything). Basically having a one-on-one intervention. Tell him he acts like a retard and is killing his brain do research into the risks of Nitrous and mention the nerve damage he's probably causing. Explain to him why he should stop, or at least compromise and tone it wayyy down, or it'll cost your relationship since it's distressing for you to see him like that. Communication is key.
Goodluck, anon. I understand your worries and feeling of helplessness as your loved one gets messed up in harmful activities.

>>83051317
I used to huff compressed air until I replaced it with other substances. The high you get is extremely intense, the best thing you will ever feel. But it doesn't last very long and makes you feel like shit afterwards, so you keep hitting it and get addicted fast trying to keep the buzz going. It gets scary when you start blacking out repeatedly, but you also don't care because you just want to get high.

>>83051683
One time I was shopping at Walmart and watched a white-trash guy huff air duster in the aisle. He got this blissful blank look on his face and then started peeing his pants and the floor.
I lost interest in ever wanting to try it.

>>83051376
>I slashed open my arm again and took a nap
Aww, you shouldn't do that, anon. Love yourself and your own body. Hope the nap was good though.
>what meds I should ask the psychiatrist for?
Only the finest Benzodiazepines and Amphetamines modern medicine can create.
Fr though, having a script for those two is a life-saver.

>>83051317
>a relative
>they
You mean several relatives of yours are addicted to nitrous?

>>83051378
It doesn't matter. Weigh the quantity you wish to take and then swallow it.
You can take it like that, parachute it, dissolve it in water, etc. doesn't matter.

>>83051712
Kek that sums it up pretty well. You feel good at the expense of everything else.

>>83051712
I've been high before, but not "pissing myself at Walmart" high.

>>83051730
no im just super paranoid. trust me anon, this has nothing to do with gay shit
>>83051586
not only that, it messes with B12 levels in your brain I think, and my relative isnt taking any supplements for that at all despite my frequent suggestions. im guessing they're around 50% of the way to permanent retardation
>>83051668
im dealing with someone that is completely beyond reason and currently going through nitrous induced psychosis and still continuing to use the very drug that fried their brain. a stern talking to might've worked before they started taking this shit but its far too late for that to turn the tides now. all of my words fall on deaf ears.

>>83051378
>How do you roll MDMA?
My method is:
>first *messure the desiered dose on a scale*
>put it in a baggie or some foil that won't rip and step on it/hit it with a blunt object to crush it into powder.
>pour the powder into a small cup of water
>mix
>sip slowly for 30-40mins

Be sure to refill the cup and drink it in one go at least twich, to collect any residue that might've stuck to the bottom/sides.
The comeup should be gradual and gentle as well as the comedown, providing you didn't do any hard physical activity while rolling.

Another approach is to crush the entire gram and dump it all into a 500ml bottle and drink while gauging the general feeling every 20-30mins. Sorta like eyeballing it, not recommended. But with some pre-calculation you could turn it into volumetric dosing:
https://m.psychonautwiki.org/wiki/Volumetric_liquid_dosing

But I take doses of 50-100mg so idk how 150-200mg like the supposed dose of MDMA that's in xtc pills you might be familiar with should be.
Have a fun magical roll!

>>83051566
>I have come to a conclusion on how I feel about concentrates/dabs
I've always said the Cannabis industry went too far with releasing such potent products into the market and the hands of unsuspecting stoners.
>While the high is great it obliterates my tolerance and makes it so that I can't get properly high on normal weed for up to a couple of days later
Well of course, dummy. It's 3-4 times more potent than flower, which will obviously buildup mad tolerance, just do it sparingly in low doses, turn it into edibles, or be ready to take regular T-breaks. Maybe commit to the stoner way, only smoking concetrate/dabbing and getting rid of all flower or edibles and living an extremly high high-tolerance life.

>>83049936
>cute mimikyu
:3

>>83050319
>I've heard oral Morphine is considered a "soft" Opioid like Codeine and Tramadol. Is that true?
id have a hard time believing that since they differ in strength by like a factor of 10. if true though, getting some could be the move. anyone have any input on this?

>>83051872
>a stern talking to might've worked before they started taking this shit but its far too late for that to turn the tides now
It's not only a stern talking to, it's an ultimatum. Iit's your relationship or stopping/responsibly using the drug. At least if you cut him off you won't feel as bad about it anymore, not having to see him destroy his life.
>currently going through nitrous induced psychosis and still continuing to use the very drug that fried their brain
Maybe he's beyond your help. Maybe contact a professional to arrange a proper intervention with other family members present in the room, and push him towards rehab.
That's all you can do apart for sabotaging his supply in some way, leaving him with no Nitrous to do for a while. Maybe then he would hear reason.

>>83051683
NTA.
>I used to huff compressed air until I replaced it with other substances
Inhalents are sub-optimal garbage drugs that are way to harmful to justify the short high they give.
What other substances have you branched-out to?

>>83052298
>id have a hard time believing that since they differ in strength by like a factor of 10
True enough. After a quick research I've found that oral Morphine is 10 times as strong as Codeine and Tramadol. Though you'd be taking it orally, which is less addictive, and can use low doses to match Tramadol's or Codeine's level of effects by ratios available online. I was just saying it was a "soft" Opiate since I was recommended to start with it if I wanted to experiment with Opies, which I do, by an experienced Opioid user ITT. He recommended either Codeine or oral Morphine to start with, and warned me about the dangers of oxys. Though, I wish I had some oxys right now.
>anyone have any input on this?
If you can get hold of some oral Morphine then do it. You can always dose low and still have a blast. It's more economic to use it that way anyway. Especially if it's cheaper than the alternatives. It's the lesser evil imo.
You really don't want to make the jump from Codeine to Oxycodone, it being 15 times as strong and crazy addictive, especially snorted. It *will* ruin your life in one way or the other. That being said, I still wish I had some oxys right about now.
Opiates can be surprisingly potent and you might find yourself nodding quick and drooling or collapsed in your chair/bed. Whatever you choose, only administer orally and in low doses.
Be safe and have fun!

Damn, I really wish I could source Opiates somehow without a script for being in actual pain or risking a life in prison ordering through DNMs. T_T

sobriety, day 3
I have taken a poo that is over 14" long and a solid 4 or 5" diameter
I am pretty sure I will never touch another substance again other than maybe nicotine, caffeine, and THC

>>83052295
yeah, "its not addicitve bro" hits different with 90% thc concentrate vape pens
which you don't even have to roll, so it's perfect for compulsive redosing

>>83051725
>Aww, you shouldn't do that
Yeah tell me about it. I dont even know why I do it desu. Im just a normal 9-5 guy. I own a car and my own place (mortgaged but could pay it off with saving if I wanted to). Have a couple of friends and a supportive family. Still bullets look more and more tasty every day.

>Love yourself and your own body
I hate myself. And my body, why else would I be on r9k?

>>83051378
If this is your first time rolling then I'm super jelly, you're in for an amazing experience.
Have fun anon ( you will enjoy doing pretty much everything other than eating)

>>83052298
It's not cute anymore with that dog collar. >:(

>>83052847
>yeah, "its not addicitve bro"
I used to use a DIY bong with a glass bowl small enough I could clear it everytime with a single breath. I used a 60% Weed 40% Tobbaco mix and went on ripping and dropping bowl after bowl after bowl daily, morning to bedtime. There's little that come close to the rush of clearing a bowl, with the Nicotine rushing to your head giving you a euphoric buzz before the Weed even takes effect. It was very addictive and life consuming.
I compulsively redosed a lot. And that was with low-mid grade Weed flower. So glad that it's behind me now. I cannot even imagine how powerful the live resin vape carts are. But if bro wants to commit to the stoner life, he should do it properly and only smoke concetrates/dab. It's surely addictive, but on the lower scale of danger and also, I don't think he cares about addiction at this point, having so much access to potent products and the ability to feed the addiction indefinitely.
If something's worth doing, it's worth doing right.
Or in other words, if you go, go hard.
I won't be preaching that he should stay off the stronger stuff and stick to flower and edibles, he obviously has a taste for the strong shit now and the more conventional stuff starts being dull in compareson. I say let him feast.

>>83052912
>Im just a normal 9-5 guy. I own a car and my own place (mortgaged but could pay it off with saving if I wanted to). Have a couple of friends and a supportive family. Still bullets look more and more tasty every day
Many such cases and I still can't put a finger on the cause. And I try. A lot. My current hypothesis is that some people were born to suffer and/or die. As morbid as it is. There is nothing that can be done for them because that's *what* they are. I hope you'll quit the self-harm or maybe see a specialist if you haven't already. But in the end of the day, it's your choice being of sound mind and a *free* adult as to whether or not to end yourself whenever and however (within reason) you like.
>I hate myself. And my body, why else would I be on r9k?
For the fun times? Loving yourself and body is conducive to good mental health. You are the only person that will always be there for you no matter what. My advise? Learn to love and trust yourself ASAP so you can at least be proud of being you, as you should, if not get mentally better.

Silence reigns upon the thread once again.

>>83053487
>My current hypothesis is that some people were born to suffer and/or die
Some people just got wired wrong at birth I think. What scares me is that I dont think anything is gonna make me happy. It is what it is.
>maybe see a specialist
Im speaking to a CBT therapist and a psychologist. But Im afraid the CBT is pushing me closer to the edge in a perverse kind of way. CBT from what I've learned is about learning coping mechanisms against thinking patterns you dont like. But I've been having suicidal ideation for so long I've started to enjoy them. And I like the thoughts of me dying. The thoughts I don't like is what currently is stopping me from roping. Ex, imagining the scene my parents would find, etc. So CBT helps me shut down the thoughts stopping me from roping. And it helps me reinforce the thoughts of me actually roping. This is fucking weird, perhaps some people just can't be fixed.

>>83051872
What does paranoia have to do with incorrect grammar?

>>83052919
its a spiked bracelet cuz hes #edgy

>>83051745
I see
>>83052186
Dont have a scale with me rn but thanks anyway, do you think crushing it gives it a higher high compared to breaking a part of it and let it dissolve in the water? I know you can snort this too but i dont think it's recommended for noobies
>>83052917
Ahahaha yea, i did it yeaaaars ago at a party but it kinda sucked, i mean i still felt good but i honestly thought i had kinda wasted the euphoria that it gave me on a party with shitty music, feel that the whole "MDMA is a party drug" thing to be kinda overrated honestly.
Pic related is what i got for 10 bucks, discussing if i should try it tonight or save it for next week considering i have to interact with people tomorrow and im not really sure how much time id need to re-adjust myself post trip.Im dying to try it though.

>>83052756
>He recommended either Codeine or oral Morphine to start with
i was thinking the same thing, though i might look into dihydrocodeine too. about twice the strength as codeine which puts it at a fifth of morphine. the other consideration for me is the activating mechanism, codeine takes longer to metabolize since it needs to convert to morphine, which would give less of an instant rush and probably make it a bit easier to not get addicted. i just cant find much codeine, so i may have to consider the alternatives.
>I really wish I could source Opiates somehow without a script for being in actual pain or risking a life in prison ordering through DNMs
im also not sure how much if trust shit from online considering how much fent there is in everything these days.

>>83053711
>I dont think anything is gonna make me happy
That's not true. If conventional methods fail, you can always self-medicate. Try a little Opiates for example. I'm sure you'll be happy then. And it can be functional and sustainable if you stick to a few rules, avoid addiction, and set your dose right.
>I've been having suicidal ideation for so long I've started to enjoy them
I've had suicidal thoughts for almost a decade (now gone for +4 years). I was comforted by the thought of dying often. At some point I had a noose hanging in my room for a month waiting for me to have the courage. I got close a few times, and tightened the rope around my neck a couple of times, but didn't jump. And I'm glad I didn't as my life has gotten better the last 4 years. But with you it's not a situational thing, it's your nature in a way, or so I see it. So it's more difficult to address.
>So CBT helps me shut down the thoughts stopping me from roping
So maybe tell about that effect to your therapist so they can modify the treatment accordingly? Or quit CBT?
>perhaps some people just can't be0 fixed
While I currently presume some people are born to die, I can't shake off the feeling of hope. I think there's always hope. Life will get better as long as you act to make them better, I always say. There's always light at the end of the tunnle, no matter how long it seems. There's hope for you yet. You have things you care about in this world and that's more than what some people can say. Maybe try a private psychiatrist if talking therapy didn't work maybe meds will?
I wish you all the luck in getting better. In my experience, once you get rid of suicidal thoughts they don't tend to come back. So I hope you ride it out to the other side in one piece.
In the end, laugh and the world laughs with you weep and you weep alone.

>>83053217
I'm not saying its as bad as a benzo addiction, just that being a heavy stoner is significantly more convenient when it's legal. Convenience then makes it more common.

>I used to use a DIY bong with a glass bowl small enough I could clear it everytime with a single breath.
Hell yeah, I'm also smoking out of a tiny homemade pipe with a carbon filter lol.
>I used a 60% Weed 40% Tobbaco mix
Eww, the whole reason I'm using a pipe is that I can't stand the taste of tobacco and a proper greenpeace joint is too much grass for me. Your breath must have been hellish, the bongwater only "filters" the largest of ash drops. Much harsher than cigs, I'd know.
>and went on ripping and dropping bowl after bowl after bowl daily,
That ain't me, I'm in a country/social caste where it's hard to find and quality varies, so the pipe lets me use it for maximum effect. Clear the bowl in one breath, (so that it's not even smoking when you're done) and hold. You need way less than what you'd put in a joint, where half the smoke goes in the wind.
Plus I try not doing it every day.
Atm I do have some quality german zaza thoughever, been there 2 months back.

>>83054156
We'll see what happens I guess. Im gonna speak to a new "specialized" psychiatrist this week. If he goes on about BS therapy and ssri's I'll probalby just smile to him, say "thanks", and go home to drink myself asleep.

Either way I want to say thank you for taking your time answering. :)

>>83054046
>Dont have a scale with me rn
Big mistake. Do not consume any of it before getting a scale. Don't eyeball it (picrel). I know some food delivery apps work with Tobacco stores and they sell scales so you might be able to get a crappy cheap one quick that way, which's better than nothing. If you're not in a rush, decent 0.001 scales are available in amazon for 20$ and delivered in less than a week. I got one and it workes woderfully. Here: https://a.co/d/8esF7AB
>do you think crushing it gives it a higher high compared to breaking a part of it and let it dissolve in the water?
Crushing it increases the surface area letting it dissolve in the water better. Crushing it should be the way to go. Idk about any breaking a piece and let it dissolve nonsense method.
>discussing if i should try it tonight or save it for next week
Save it. And get a proper scale untill then! You don't know how hard the crash will be using your method. Take a week, two weeks, just get a scale. I understand you're excited to try it but I can't stress it enough. Messuring your dose should be step no. 1, it's rookie shit. Proper messurment is important in order to avoid poisoning and overdosing. It works to ensure you know what you're in for and get the desired experience, intensity, and effects. Don't just crush it all and drink it unmessured ffs. It's stupidly risky and might ruin your roll overall, overwhelm you, or put you in a stim-induced delirium state (if not outright cause poisoning and a trip to the ER for detox).

Also, MDMA is falsely named as a party drug and should be taken while chiiling and not doing physically demanding activities (i.e., dancing) or else risk literally cooking your brain with body-heat, causing cell-death.

I hope I explained the importance of messuring your dose well enough and hopfully scared you enough for you to wait for better conditios i.e., when owning a scale and not before meeting people.
Wow, 10$ is pretty cheap. Are you sure it's legit?

Got any jews?

im doing some of dis fucken kanna tincture and i cant tell if im jus dosin it wrong or its just that weak, anyone else have experience with it?

>>83054642
Yea it's legit, im in Europe though, in the area where i live, this is the general price. Do you guys seriously pay that much for MD in America?
Yea dumping the entire thing on water would be just really stupid, idk why i thought that was a good idea lol.
Just to get a general sense of how i should be doing as a first time, i broke a little bit off of it, would pic rel be okay for a first dose or should i make it smaller?

>>83054079
>i might look into dihydrocodeine
Dihydrcodeine is a prescription drug. You're working with DNMs aren't you? You lucky bastard.
I'd imagine that in DNMs Codeine is really cheap so what's the problem. Unless you got a plug that sells pharma stuff, which's also lucky, but might be dangerous if he's "that" type of Opie dealer.
>considering how much fent there is in everything these days
No fent in any of the drugs here. Actually, no Opiates around here at all. None to be found. Unless, again, you find an in-person dealer dealing from his apartment. And that's a dangerous crowd to be associated with and an effort to find one that's not crazy. I have experience with that sort of dealers. I was on the edge of the street on a day I was ment to meet with a guy in his apartment for some Weed, seeing police srrounding the building and escorting people out and loading them into cars. He was raided. A few minutes too late and I'd have been in that apartment and loaded into a police car myself. He supposedly was a part of an international drug selling organization called "The Fly Boys" (he was an American national) and sold at nature raves. Had maps and locations for scouting buyers all planned out and everything. He was a professional but also crazy paranoid. Last I've heard from the American friend that connected us, the guy found a new safehouse and was dealing as usual. Never saw him after that raid, though. Lost his number, too. I bet he'd have Opiates for sale. He had some of everything.

>>83054786
>white instead of brown
??

>>83054929
Molly can be white mate

>>83054376
>If he goes on about BS therapy and ssri's I'll probalby just smile to him, say "thanks", and go home to drink myself asleep
Wait a minute, maybe med could work. I take Anti-Psychotics for my schizophrania, and while the APs aren't a cure-all and don't stop the voices, they do help me manege my illness way better than without them. They really do improved my quality of life. Maybe allow for a period of trial and error finding the med that works for you. It'll take a few months but what have you got to lose? Also, if possible, go to a private psychiatrist. Trust me on that. You'll get way better treatment.
>Either way I want to say thank you for taking your time answering
Hey, no sweat. I like having conversations with anons!

>>83054261
>I'm not saying its as bad as a benzo addiction, just that being a heavy stoner is significantly more convenient when it's legal. Convenience then makes it more common
Yeah, alright. That's a true statement and a good position to take.
>Hell yeah, I'm also smoking out of a tiny homemade pipe with a carbon filter
There's just something special and cultural to DIY drug paraphernalia.
>Eww
In my country that ratio is custom to all stoners in-the-know.
>Much harsher than cigs, I'd know
Not necessarily. If you use the right brand and dry it enough it's as smooth as can be. Though for the last 2.5+ years of daily smoking (quit 8 months ago and very happy without it) I was stuck with boxes of prerolled Next Fine Taste, which isn't bad but not optimal, optimal would be a pouch of loose Marlboro Gold Tobacco sun-dried to make it nice and smooth to hit.
>That ain't me, I'm in a country/social caste where it's hard to find and quality varies
Here it's as common as water and cheap, too. I could sustain the addiction freely. But quality does vary here also.
Hope you savor every toke then. I don't smoke anymore but can't imagaine a situation where I need Cannabis and can't find any.
Also, what's that about a caste? How does that work?

>>83050409
Dont disrespect that
Its my daily driver

>>83054786
>Do you guys seriously pay that much for MD in America?
Not American but MDMA here costs ~120$ a gram.
>would pic rel be okay for a first dose or should i make it smaller?
This pic has no reference point so I wouldn't know how small it is. Also, my last pic came to illustrate how eyeballing is misleading. I know you're hot on rolling, but please messure your dose. You can't know how the high will be like by eyeballing pieces of crystal saying "yeah, that seems like enough".
Have patience and get a scale. Sorry to be this preachy, but it's important like you would not believe. But to go with what you asked, it usually looks wayyyy smaller than it really is so the piece in the picrel isn't small enough. It's pretty big, actually. That is to say if I can tell right, which I can't, since there's nothing to reference it to.

>>83054682
>Got any jews?
What do you want, goy?

>>83054753
>i cant tell if im jus dosin it wrong or its just that weak
I don't have experience with that, but seeing as it isn't a scheduled drug and is a supplement, it makes sense for it to have mild gentle effects. Don't expect a benzo high off of this.

>>83055530
Nah man, i completely get it and appreciate the care, will see if i can find a scale this week. Should be able to find it in any department store.

So grapefruit reduces opioid tolerance apparently... how do I eat it then? I just have to eat it and it's done. do I have to make a juice of it? do I eat or drink it before popping pills?

drugfeel bring me wisdom pretty please

>>83055283
>Also, what's that about a caste? How does that work?
STEMchad-o-sphere. Only a small fraction of my friends smoke, and an even smaller fraction posesses regularly. (Or have ever posessed.) The rest just occasionally/regularly accepts it when I offer. It was easier to come by back when we were in uni, but it was very hit-and-miss, I'd get 1g to try and by the time that ran out no tolerance ;^) the offer was no longer available. I never had a regular dealer, only personal connections. The custom was that you wouldn't tell anything about where you supplied from, especially if the friend you passed to didn't know the friend that passed to you, so there were more security but more opportunity for the thing to fail. (I sometimes did favors myself.) Now that we're working, I'd lose my job immediately if I was sentenced by a proper legal process, or maybe after the arrest immediatley. Not that cops are after middle class stoners, but IF it happens the consequences would be dire, so everyone is careful. Me included.
Which is funny because many in STEM drink quite a lot, it's not scary legally and you can do it in public. I guess there is also a stigma in many people or parts of the general population, because in these circumstances only rappers are allowed to admit they are smoking weed.

>>83055530
Also 120 is an insane fucking price. What the fuck??

>decide to take opiate to relax while playing games
>keep nodding off and can barely do anything in-game
>decide to just go to bed and wake up a few hours later
I'm really sensitive to drugs, but I just can't see how anyone would want to abuse opiates. They make me too tired and I end up feeling like I let the day go to waste. It can be relaxing but I can't imagine wanting to feel that sedated 24/7

>>83055530
Sound advice from an experienced user.
Hate to be that guy but can you please spell "measure your dose" correctly?

>>83055833
'a' is right next to 's' so it was probably just a typo. Not sure why you'd feel the need to call that out.

>>83055592
>i completely get it and appreciate the care
I'm glad cus I feel that I'm perl-clutching.
>Should be able to find it in any department store.
You'll prolly find a 0.01 scale, which is fine for your purposes, but the 0.001 scale I linked earlier is far more accurate so I suggest getting one at some point in the future.
What dosage are you considering?

>For noobies I suggest:
60mg (0.06) at first.
If you want more out of the roll, redose half of your main dose, so 30mg (0.03) 2-3 hours after the first dose.
The timing is essential. Not too soon or too late.
Do not redose any further.

>If you want a real intense experience:
dose 100mg (0.10) and see how you feel.
If you still want more, redose half of the main dose, (you could go lower if it's close to being too much) so 50mg (0.05) 2-3 hours after your first dose.
The timing is essential. Not too soon or too late.
Do not redose any further.

My first ever roll I dosed 50-60mg and I had a blast so keep in mind less is sometimes more.
As an addendum, I will add that studies show MDMA is safe if dosing 180mg or lower, if done once a month, and avoiding demending physical activity under-influence, showing no neurotoxicity whatsoever.

anyone have experience making edibles out of thca isolate? according to what i read online i should decarb it at low-ish temperatures (as in 110-120 celcius) and that when it's decarbing it will bubble and when the bubbling starts to stop it's good to use

>>83056211
that's how i did it with flower, and flower mostly has thca, so it sounds right

>>83055606
,>do I eat or drink it before popping pills?
Asked Google AI for you.
It says to consume the grapefruit 4 hours before taking the Opioid.
The grapefruit effects remain up to 72 hours of consumption.
It also warned to never do this mix, as it is dangerous. But you know, it's not a law or anything.
Have fun and stay safe!
Hope I had Opioids on me...

>>83056090
>'a' is right next to 's' so it was probably just a typo.
He spelled it messure in >>83054642 as well.
>Not sure why you'd feel the need to call that out.
Didn't want to start shit and I'm also an esl, so I had my share of posting retarded on hbwr. It just mildly bothered me, again I hate to be that guy.

>>83052295
I think I will save concentrates for special occasions.
Enjoying flower is where it's at.

Speaking of " releasing such potent products into the market and the hands of unsuspecting stoners"

What is the deal with THC-P?
A local shop started stocking it and the shopkeeper said it was a new kind of extra potent cannabis, but my light research on the topic makes me think it's probably a synthetic canabanoid that is sprayed on low quality flower to make it artificially extremely potent.
Sure it occurs naturally in cannabis, but only in very tiny quantities.

Apparently hit hits ALL of the canabanoid receptors at once which is why it's so potent, but my thoughts are that adding weird chemical concoctions to weed is probably bad for you, and even if it is just more potent it would, similar to concentrates, ruin your tolerance so that normal weed just doesn't do it for you anymore.

When I read a trip report that the secondary effects could last for days I lost interest.
I like short but intense highs when it comes to weed. Not incapable of getting shit done for several days due to after effects of being high for 8 hours straight, and medium for a whole other day.

>>83053217
Honistly a dab isn't that much better than a larger than average bowl with weed after a day or two off for me.
So the slightly extra high isn't worth the tolerance spike making flower not as fun.
I think my next adventures/experiments in weed will be with homemade tincture and MCT oil infusions.
I also have a infused hot chocolate recipe I am very eager to give a try.

Dabs were just a experiment. It was fun but I prefer flower.
I might just get a slightly bigger thermal extraction device and a water piece to do huge rips on my days off instead of messing with concentrates.
Plus sticking with flower means I have more AVB to play with. So two excellent highs from the same stuff.

>>83056119
Hey bro, it's me.
Just decided to call a more experienced buddy over to walk me through carefully and he helped me with dosing safely, i feel amazing. Genuinely magnific, i feel like a whole purified being, music is different, touch is different, movement is different...shit everything feels so alive. Not a single ounce of impurity in my soul, everything feels blissful and innocent.
Honestly ill be honest with you, i was afraid at first because i wasnt sue how i was going to feel, but i feel marvelous. Im not having any teeth grinding or anything either.
Just wanted to thank you bro truly, for caring and walking me through this. Hope life smiles at you as much as its smiling at me right now.

>>83056301
Alr thanks for the information transcription anon, I will do that tomorrow and I'll report back whether or not my dosage manages to get me high as shit.

>>83055778
>Only a small fraction of my friends smoke, and an even smaller fraction posesses regularly. (Or have ever posessed.)
I see I see.
>I never had a regular dealer, only personal connections
That's your problem, pop on Telegram and get a regular plug. It's easy and convenient.
>IF it happens the consequences would be dire
It's like that here for any drug apart for Weed. In my country, it's not a crime to posses up to 15g. Being caught with Weed will have the cops take the Weed and give you a fine to pay. On the other hand, if caught with any other drug for personal use you can face up to 3 years in prison and have heavy fines to pay. But the government prefers fixing people inatead of punishing them, so I'll likely be forced into rehab and have to submit to routine drug tests with no prison-time.
But I get what you're saying, drugs should be hidden and private to avoid trouble.
The only one who might know I do drugs is the owner of the store next to my building. He probably saw me through the window giving money to a guy who gives me a bag in return many times and did 1+1.
I pocket my sealed black bag of drugs as soon as it's in my hand and only open it at home.
I never carry drugs on me in public unless I must.
I only do it at home when I've got no responsibilities.

I couldn't begin to explain my Meth use to anyone despite the fact that I use it responsibly without ever getting addicted. Meth's stigma is too strong. They'll just see a junkie with excuses instead of a responsible adult making informed decisions. Not my mom, gf, my psychiatrist, or anyone else knows I do drugs.
It'll ruin my reputation.
It's my most guarded secret.

>>83055788
>Also 120 is an insane fucking price. What the fuck??
That's the standard market value. I know that abroad drugs are cheaper. But my country's surrounded by Muslim nation states who hang people involved with drugs since drug use is a sin in Islam. And there's no drug menufacture in those countries thus no steady flow of drugs into my country. It's also very hard smuggling anything in since the borders are always on watch by border patrol and Army and customs are strict af.
No crime organization seems to be interested in local sourcing since there are zero big clan lab operations from the quality of products on the market. And the local lone unaffiliated small clan labs that do exist don't make anything in big enough amounts to sell on the local market and prolly sell in specific circles.
In anyway, my country's drug situation is fucked and that's a part of why drugs cost so much. Meth's more expensive (~200$ a gram)than speed (~140$ a gram) which I heard is the other way around in other contries. It's all arbitrary prices that stuck and became the standard for some reason. Only Weed's price fluctuate for the better as there are big local growing operations active. Weed's more accepte. But make chems? Nah. The risk is life in prison. And the war on drugs goes on...

>>83055795
>keep nodding off and can barely do anything in-game
Some people like the nodding and some find them annoying, confusing, and dibilitating. It's a personal preference thing.
I met a guy ITT who hated nodding and only did functional doses of Opioids. He liked to play videogames, watch movies, cook, and go outside for a stroll while high. He said his doses are around 10-30mg Heroin a day (for max of 2 days of use in a row, then break) but he did other Opies too.
>I can't imagine wanting to feel that sedated 24/7
At that point they do it to stave off withdrawals rather than get high 24/7. Or they're running from something.

>>83055833
Oh, I wasn't aware. Thanks!

>>83057133
So you went for it. I'm happy everything was fine in the end. Have lots of fun!

>>83057221
>I'll report back whether or not my dosage manages to get me high as shit
Good! I like when people report back. It's interesting. Keep your dosage low just in case the grapefruit potentiates it too much and cause poisoning or even an OD. (As Google AI warns)

>>83056709
>I think I will save concentrates for special occasions
So you don't commit to the true stoner's path!
Oh, well. Be "responsible" I suppose.
>Enjoying flower is where it's at
I'm glad you can feel it and enjoy. I only did flower and Hashish so I can't really comprehand how the potent stuff affect normal flower's feel.
>What is the deal with THC-P?
It's similar to delta-9-THC but more potent.
>it's probably a synthetic canabanoid
It is a naturally occurring cannabinoid.
>Sure it occurs naturally in cannabis, but only in very tiny quantities
Cannabis industry has a lot of flower to work with. Even if it is synthesized, it's still the same chemical so what's the fuss?
>I like short but intense highs when it comes to weed
Don't buy it then. It's a free market :p You have your preferences. But what if though, it's, like, really good? Maybe trying it once and reporting back on how it was wouldn't hurt? Just to see what's you're missing, you know?

>>83056807
>So the slightly extra high isn't worth the tolerance spike making flower not as fun
But what if you could dab *forever* though?
>Dabs were just a experiment. It was fun but I prefer flower
Oh, well that's alright then. Ignore the above. But what attracts you with flower that dabbs missed? Is it the taste? Harshness? Intensity? Duration?
>Plus sticking with flower means I have more AVB to play with. So two excellent highs from the same stuff
That sounds both fun and economical!

The fire-keeper is ever vigilant, for every moment of silence can mark the end of this thread.
The fire must feed.

The silence continues, but the fire still burns.

Been a few weeks without heroin. Feels good man. Taking benzos sometimes because of panic attacks but otherwise feeling great. I bought weed the other day and haven't touched it, I don't really feel like getting high.

>>83057647
Where you from? Syria? That sounds like hell bud.

>>83058517
>Been a few weeks without heroin. Feels good man
Hey, congratz!
Was it hard?
What was your dosage?
For how long did you use Heroin consecutively?
>I bought weed the other day and haven't touched it, I don't really feel like getting high
You, like, climbed through to the other side, man.

>>83058615
Honestly I'd just do pin lines every few days and just gauge how I feel, then maybe did one every three to four hours. I didn't have a scale (whoops) but I'd just do tiny tiny bumps to make me feel "groovy" and not out of it. For how long? A few months. I got sick, worst sickness I've ever had. Was it hard? Not really, just got sick of it funnily enough. I wanted my energy back. I just realized that I don't want to be stoned right now I just want my spunk back, but weed can enhance that temporarily when used correctly. Off topic, but what I need to do in future for things like stimulants is get a scale, dose it and put them in capsules for uni. When I divide them up I take them far more responsibly.

>>83058580
>Where you from? Syria? That sounds like hell bud
Israel. And it is hell. Everything's expensive and I can't even use DNMs without the risk of life in prison. It just sits there, taunting me with low prices and better quality drugs that I can't order
(I may try to buy some LSD though).
And no local dealer sells any Opiods, pharma-grade stuff (and if they do it's Amphetamine and for a huge 450% mark-up. It costs ~280$ for 900mg of pharma Amphetamine that costs ~60$ with a legal script), RCs, or any interesting rarely seen novelty drugs whatsoever. The only drug import we get consistantly is Egyptian Hashish, which is bomb, but I don't smoke anymore.

>>83058664
>Honestly I'd just do pin lines every few days and just gauge how I feel, then maybe did one every three to four hours
Oh, so not very much. Definitely not enough to nod. Reminds me of a guy ITT who did the same, but he also smoked it off foil.
>A few months
Yeah, but you prolly were dancing on thrashold doses. Hardly common Heroin use at all.
>Not really, just got sick of it funnily enough
Makes sense. You didn't take enough to get physically dependent on it, and the sedation would become kind of a bothersome effect after a while.
>When I divide them up I take them far more responsibly
That's how I work with stims, too. And yeah, get a scale. Some decent 0.001 scales are available on amazon for 20$. I got one and it works perfectly. Here: https://a.co/d/5CiIXPy
I'm glad you feel better overall and got your energy back.

>>83058842
It got to the point though were I would get a bit sick without it towards the end, it did build up. Hence the withdrawal, sorry forgot to mention. Just a lot on my mind at the moment.

>>83058850
>It got to the point though were I would get a bit sick without it towards the end, it did build up. Hence the withdrawal
Oh, I see I see.
>Just a lot on my mind at the moment
No worries.

>>83058842
Also will use that scale. Thank you!

The fire-keeper is going to sleep.
May the thread live on.

>>83058739
>Egyptian Hashish
i'll have me some of dat thanks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3W6Fa6rNlAY&list=RD3W6Fa6rNlAY&start_radio=1&pp=ygUmc3VuIGlzIHNoaW5pbmcgYm9iIG1hcmxleSBqb2trZSBzb21tZXKgBwE%3D

The fire burns. Probably in vain, but still.

>>83059327
Your watch is over, brother. The Euros are waking up now.

God I love Memantine, too bad dissos make my ears ring.
I took 140mg, I've read some horror stories on erowid about using 300mg so I won't go there.

>>83057981
>But what attracts you with flower that dabbs missed?
Versatility and flexibility.
I can modulate it to fit many situations, be it a after work treat all the way to blasting off to a different plane of existence on the weekend if I get super high then top it off with a hit of nitrous.
All while being able to be totally functional to do stuff in a few hours, and tolerance to normal after a day.
Edibles aren't my favorite because everything about them is too long. Takes too long to kick in and stay mid level high for too long. Plus it takes a couple days to go back to normal tolerance.
Dabs only takes a tiny amount to get super high, but the high is even shorter than doing a lot of flower, while messing up tolerance for two days minimum after a single session.
Like with a dab I can get super duper high for a couple of hours. Then I can only get "medium" after those two hours even if I try to dab again.
So it's kinda a one and done in my case.

>>83059838
I took it with some knockoff THC cart, I feel tingles in my entire body, I'm at peace disso'd on the net.

I have to take a T-Break but I don't fucking want to, it's gonna be so boring.
I miss when life was semi-enjoyable without drugs, nowdays nothing else makes me happy, I passed out not too long ago and it felt amazing, even though I was out for 1 second it felt like a long time, and it was amazing.. I wonder if that's how death feels like, I hope that's how it's like....

Anyone else bored of the drugs they do and are looking for something else. For me it's been alcohol, benzos, and weed for the last couple of weeks, wish I had some coke or pregabalin or meth bros.

Last time I did meth I manically clean my entire apartment. Wish I had some meth bros. It makes me so driven bros

Hey, the thread's still alive. Neat.

>>83059838
>God I love Memantine
From what I understand it's an Alzheimer's med with similar way of action to Ketamine and dissociative effects in high doses. What I read said the half-life of it is 40-80 hours and effects can persist for DAYS. Do they, really? Do you just dissociate for days? How do you eat? What's your dosage?

>>83059925
>it a after work treat all the way to blasting off to a different plane of existence on the weekend
Can't small amounts of dab/concetrate in a rolled ciggy also be used as a treat? And I'm sure they'll send yo to the moon in higher doses.
>a hit of nitrous
Well, that can't be good for ya. But sounds like a good time to spend the weekends if you're into Nitrous.
>Like with a dab I can get super duper high for a couple of hours. Then I can only get "medium" after those two hours even if I try to dab again
Odd since you're adding more THC into your bloodstream. I'd expect a dab redose to make you much higher than you are. But if it's true, I guess that takes the cake.
Only mid highs with a tolerance spike aren't worth what flower can provide easily and better.

>>83059986
What are you taking a t-break from?

Being sober is significantly more tolerable when you have shit to do or something that actively requires your full attention.
That and not doing everything high in the first place so that high become your new normal.

>>83059838
Damn, patchy's got moves.

>>83061293
Nitrous in moderation is basically harmless.
The main two ways people hurt themselves with it is frost bite from doing it wrong and only breathing nitrous for extended periods causing oxygen deprivation.
The third way which is much rarer is the people who take it compulsively for hours depleting vitamin B to the point it causes nerve damage.

A balloon or two is extremely safe.
It's mainly the people who can't ever be satisfied and think they can stay high on NO2 who hurt themselves.

>>83059986
>I have to take a T-Break but I don't fucking want to
Nobody likes it, but tolerance is a part of how our body functions. We've all been there. I'm there right now along with you.
What's your drug of choice?
What's your dosage?
What made you pass-out?

>>83060430
>Anyone else bored of the drugs they do
No. I've been taking Meth in the weekends and it is always a blast.
>For me it's been alcohol, benzos, and weed
All are very easy to get bored of. Alcohol's shit, Weed can wont take you far, and benzos can be boring. What benzos you take?
>wish I had some coke or pregabalin or meth
All good choices apart for Coke. Add LSD to it too, you can't get bored off of that. Why don't you buy some?
I wish you a future full of fun drugs.

>>83060446
>Wish I had some meth bros
Yeah, Meth's pretty good. Just finished a session a couple of days ago and now I'm in the T-break stage. Though Meth doesn't make me clean or fap. It makes me want to laze in bed and post on 4chan. But I'm very focused on what I'm doing. Sometimes I'd write a reply, then read it, fix a few thing, read it again, rewrite some parts, read it again and so on for up to 3 hours, on one reply! By the time I'm finished, the thread's been archived and there's no one to respond to.

>>83061415
I guess if that's true then it's harmless. Though, inhalents in general give me the spooks, I've no desire to experiment with them.

>>83061740
Fair enough.
Everything isn't for everyone and one must assess both the risk profile they are willing to accept and what kind of experiences they seek when it comes to recreational substances.

There are a ton of inhalants that can do serious damage that idiots take casually because they are "legal highs". Like computer dusters or huffing glue.
Then there are others that aren't particularly dangerous but most don't find them all that enjoyable outside of "certain" uses, like most forms of poppers.

The drug category that gives me the spooks is deliriants, because I have seen some wild shit from people who were presumably on them. Mainly PCP, which the city I grew up in had a major issue with for a few decades.
Not only would I avoid them personally but I avoid anyone who is actively using them because I ain't willing to get into a wrestling match with a naked temporary insane person who thinks if they take me out the wolves after them will go away.

>>83054753
If you wanna get fucked up you've gotta snort an extract. Issue is, the rush feels like taking too much coke/speed without any of the euphoria. It's grim stuff I wouldn't bother.

>>83047930 (OP)
Born to drink
Forced to not drink because I have less than a hundred dollars in my bank account

>>83061846
>one must assess both the risk profile they are willing to accept and what kind of experiences they seek when it comes to recreational substances
True, I accept Meth's, albeit lengthy and mostly foreboding, risk profile and enjoy its effects.
I don't see myself enjoying inhalants' effects so they're prolly not my cup of tea. Everybody's different.
>like most forms of poppers
Poppers were a heart medication untill gay people found they relax the anal sphincter and started using it for easy penetration during sex. That's what was in the ampules Raoul Duke was breaking and inhaling from in the hitchhiker scene in Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas
>The drug category that gives me the spooks is deliriants
Oh, yeah, they're scary. Never want to experiment with them either.

>>83062005
>Forced to not drink because I have less than a hundred dollars in my bank account
Maybe it's for the best. But surely, you must be able to afford *a* beer. Or is it worse then I think?
Alcohol's a shit drug anyway. Try getting a prescription for GABApantinoids or Benzodiazepines, they'll scratch that itch and are better for you long-term.
Honestly, alcoholics are some of the saddest drug users out there, along with heavy Opioid users, and I personally dislike them, having been around them a lot in the past in friend groups.
Hope you'll kick the habbit, but do whatever maakes you happy.
Have fun!

>>83061538
>drug of choice?
Weed's the drug I wanna take the T-break from but I will admit I prefer opiates.
as for passing out, it was an unrelated monologue.

USING WHEN YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO IS SO FUCKING AMAZING FOLKS, IT'S LIKE A 10/10 HIGH EVERY TIME.

Another Sunday, another hollow resolution to quit smoking weed.

Fuck bros, I know it's baby tier but it's just hard for me to give up. Been an almost daily smoker since I was about 17. Breaks here and there, but way more on than off. I'm 30 now and it just feels pathetic, but at the same time it's basically one of the only things I look forward to. In a lot of ways it's been one of my biggest motivators. I went through grad school while working full time and smoking daily because I'd use smoking a bowl as a reward for getting through all of my homework.

It feels like my 20s were defined by my stoner tendencies. I don't want my 30s to be the same. I want the next chapter of my life to feel different than the last one, and it seems like the best way for me to do that is to cut out weed.

>>83062679
>Weed's the drug I wanna take the T-break from
Weed's an evil drug for me as it gives me psychosis. But semms to be popular and help people.
Do you only smoke flower? If so, 3-7 days should get you stright (unless you're looking for a full reset, which will take a month). Idk about the more powerful kinda of THC products. It won't be that bad, maybe a little anhedonia or some trouble sleeping if you used it for that.
I believe you can do it easily, so chin-up!
>I prefer opiates
Oooh. I wish I had Opiates.
What kind do you use?
What's your dosage?
Do you get them from prescription, dealer, or DNMs?
How do you avoid addiction, if you do, that is?

>>83063208
Oxy's my favorite opioid out of all of them, and to avoid addiction I stick to buying only 10 pills, a week-long bender is amazing, and I run out before getting addicted to the point of really bad withdrawals.

>>83063081
Unless you have a really strong cause-and-effect reason as to why weed is impairing your life (making you more anxious, worse sleep, less motivated), it's pretty much impossible to stop. Saying that you're going to quit and then going through your usual routine doesn't help, as you'll just return to it in the evening. I used it a ton throughout my early 20s, but after realizing how badly it was messing up my sleep I cut back. The biggest thing I realized was that I could either stop now or wait until I hit a breaking point (losing a job, missing out on relationships, etc.), and generally you don't want to wait for that to happen. Some people quit drinking once they get a DUI, or quit heroin once they overdose - don't wait to quit, quit and wait for opportunities to arise

So dread is down, abacus is down, whats the state of things? I've been off dnm since January

>>83063250
>Oxy's my favorite opioid
>I run out before getting addicted to the point of really bad withdrawals
Oxycodone is very very addictive. It's funny to me that you accept withdrawals as part of the experience. You don't avoid addiction, you just break out of it in time before the shit hits the fan.
How long breaks do you take between benders?
What's your ROA?
>I stick to buying only 10 pills
What mg pills are they?
How often do you order them?
How long do you wait for them to arrive?
>a week-long bender is amazing
I bet it is. But you rake up tolerance and addiction, which is an issue. You rely on will-power to quit in time instead of getting more.

An experienced opioid user ITT told me that it only takes three days of continuous use for mild withdrawals to begin, so he limited his Heroin use to two-day maximum binges before taking a break of one or two weeks. He did other Opies but not oxy.
He warned me about oxys being so addictive he stole money to keep using them, which he regrets deeply, and never happened to him with any other Opie.
His advice: avoid oxy altogether, instead try "softer" Opiods like Codeine or oral Morphine to start.

But Oxycodone is popular ITT so I'm curious, but unlikely to do any.
A DNM order will risk me facing a life sentence in prison, no matter the amount imported or if it's for personal use. And no one sells Opioids here.

>>83063075
>USING WHEN YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO IS SO FUCKING AMAZING FOLKS, IT'S LIKE A 10/10 HIGH EVERY TIME
Have some discipline, take measures to avoid relapse like not being around it or having it in a hard to reach place, and constantly remind yourself why you do it. Develop good habbits like habitually saying no, and cut bad habbits by the stem on sight. It is with rules, good habbits, self-control, discipline, and willpower that you can avoid addiction. And it's surprisingly simple to do once you start.

MGM-15 does not seem significantly more powerful than 7oh. Already been through 2 and a half tabs since getting them 3 hours ago. And of course I lost half a tab on the carpet too ;(

>>83064414
UPDATE: I found the half pill I dropped

>>83063081
>it's basically one of the only things I look forward to. In a lot of ways it's been one of my biggest motivators. I went through grad school while working full time and smoking daily because I'd use smoking a bowl as a reward for getting through all of my homework
From what you say, it doesn't hinders you or your life. It seems to actually had a positive influence on your life.
So I see no harm in the habbit as long as you keep it under control.
>It feels like my 20s were defined by my stoner tendencies. I don't want my 30s to be the same
So if you truely want to quit, have discipline, rules, self-control, good habbits, and willpower. And consistantly remind yourself why you do it.

>Take measures to avoid relapse like:
1) Don't be around it.
2) Don't buy any.
3) Have a jar and put the Weed money in it everytime you'd usually buy it and see how much you save on flower
4) Don't hang around people who smoke and share.
5) If it's really bad, lose your plug's contact info (i.e., phone number, user on an app etc.)
6) If it's legal where you're at avoid Weed shops. Maybe take different routes to avoid seeing them.
7) Failing all that, delay the reward of smoking and lower the dose in increasing periods of time and decreasing amounts and make a habbit out of it untill you stop entirely.
There are more option probably but I think that's enough for now.
With Weed you can quit cold-turkey easy with little to no withdrawals (e.g., slight anhedonia or some trouble sleeping).
I've been a heavy daily user for 2.5+ years (and 5 years before that with 7 sober years after with zero drugs) and quit cold-turkey ~9 months ago easily.
In the end, quitting any drug and especially Weed is not rocket science and can be simple. As simple as not being around it (which is the most important rule thus being no.1).
Develop good habbits and cut bad ones at the stem on-sight.
Goodluck!

you know what emotions i miss the most that antidepressants have taken from me? hatred and disgust. hating things was really fun.

>>83063692
>So dread is down, abacus is down, whats the state of things? I've been off dnm since January
Hope it's not enough to ban me, but check the clearnet link repository daunt for the active DNMs.

>>83064414
>MGM-15 does not seem significantly more powerful than 7oh
Might be tolerance related. It should be stronger. And by the pace you pop those pills it's likely a tolerance issue.
>>83064508
>I found the half pill I dropped
Good news! Happy day!
Btw, what's the dosage of those pills?

Silence again. I will keep the flame on.

>>83061127
>Do they, really?
They do! but the effects lose strenghts past the 12 hour mark, you'll just feel a little off it for like a day or so, permatolerance is also a thing so the more trips you do the less effect memantine or any other dissos will have.
My dosage is always 140mg and I avoid eating anything prior taking it.
>>83061330
She listens to hip-hop and stuff.

It's the limbo period where most Europeans are off for the night and Americans are close to done or just got done with work and it'll take them time to get to a PC and post after commuting, getting home, and eating. Only lifeless sacks like me are around to bump this thread away from dying.
Idk how to feel about that. Feels lonely.

>>83065285
But I'm here anon,,,

>>83065247
>They do! but the effects lose strenghts past the 12 hour mark, you'll just feel a little off it for like a day or so
I love LSD and Meth for having such long effects, with Meth keeping me up for 1.5-2 days (without the positive effects felt after the first 8-12 hours, just the keeping me awake part) but I can't imagine being high for longer than that.
Especially on a dissociative drug, 12 hours of dissociation? That's too much. But then again, Ketamine's duration seems too short being an hour or two so idk. Is there a middle dissociative drug that affects for 4-6 hours? PCP's around 4-8 hours so maybe that'd be reasonable.
Interesting.
Are the first 12 hours as intense as a Ketamine peak all throughout?
Do you hole?
You seem to love it. How do you enjoy it so far? What do you do while under?
Do you have a lot of free time?
Also a link to the 300mg Erowid report would be nice if I can trouble you for that.
>My dosage is always 140mg
Psychonautwiki says it's a pretty high dose.
What do you get from this dose that tempted you to go higher before hearing horror stories?

>>83065350
>But I'm here anon
Hey fren! How're ya? What are you on nowdays?

showed up to my """"job"""" as a bellhop/doorman at a hotel high af on edbiles
manager commented that I look extremely tired like my eyes could barely open and suggested that I went home
out of embarssement I agreed that I should go home and get some rest but couldn't go home because my parents would know so instead I walked around for 8 hours, for a total of 25 miles

god im such a fucking loser

>>83065653
No, it's more of a clinical, clean high, I've never done more than 200mg but I would compare to a 2nd plat DXM dose, I've never "holed" on memantine the way I did on ket or DXM, it just isn't strong enough and I don't want it to be. I only use it on the weekends.
>What do you get from this dose that tempted you to go higher before hearing horror stories?
I have a pretty shit life so the constant dissosiation helps me take myself off everything, I like to draw, listen to music and it even helps me manage the anxiety from weed.
Here's the erowid report, look at this retard:
https://erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=110424
>>83065665
Just fine, might take some pregab.

>>83065688
>couldn't go home because my parents would know so instead I walked around for 8 hours, for a total of 25 miles
How many times do I've to say it? Don't mix drugs with work! Especially sedating drugs. What did you think would've happened? Lucky you didn't lose the job.
Hope your stroll was fun though.

this pcp is fucking lame. this heroin is going to be lame. drugs are lame.

>>83065753
>I would compare to a 2nd plat DXM dose
Never did DXM so I can't compare. But I can imagine.
>I've never "holed" on memantine the way I did on ket or DXM
I see I see.
>it just isn't strong enough and I don't want it to be
Makes sense, I wouldn't want 12 hours of feeling like I'm peaking on Ketamine (though never had any, can't stomach snorting).
>I have a pretty shit life so the constant dissosiation helps me take myself off everything
Legit cope imo. My life's shitty too (not to compare) and only have weekends I enjoy Meth on to keep me going. Btw, what's your ROA?
>I like to draw, listen to music
Sounds fun.
>it even helps me manage the anxiety from weed.
Weed's not for me, devil drug. Gives me psychosis and the bad kind of dissociation.
>Just fine, might take some pregab.
Oh, it's you. Sounds nice, have fun. I might take some benzos later.

>>83065874
>this pcp is fucking lame
Why what's it missing?
>this heroin is going to be lame
Don't knock it 'till you try it. Have some positivity.
>drugs are lame
Sometimes they just don't hit right. And that's fine, if disappointing.

>>83065919
>Why what's it missing?
idk just a sense of warmth or fun.

>>83065753
>Here's the erowid report, look at this retard:
https://erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=110424
Damn. Harsh stuff. And you take half the amount he took and are up and running 2 days later? Crazy.
I'm glad you're on a good dose that works for you and hope you never get to that point.

>>83065942
>idk just a sense of warmth or fun
Sometimes it be like that.
Maybe a bad batch.
Maybe you didn't take enough.
Maybe you have tolerance.
Or maybe it's just one of these days.

Welp I can say that the grapefruit method to decrease the tolerance does in fact work, as someone who has been doing some trams fairly often for recent times(300mg twice a week for 2 weeks atp), a low dose of codeine (of a 180mg) has managed to get me chilled out, obviously I'm not crazy nodding or anything but I do feel high which I consider a win, so it works for me, of course that this is just the first time I do it and we're talking low strength low dose opioids, I wonder how this would work with stronger shit, I guess it will work dangerously but I feel pretty good.

I ate some slices of the fruit about 3 hours before popping my dose, and yesterday I also ate a whole thing. it's been exactly one hour and a little bit since then, also worth notice, grapefruit tastes like fucking shit and ass,
thanks for reading.

>>83066233
You do know that the cyp2d6-enzyme that grapefruitjuice destroys is necessary to convert codeine into morphine and tram to o-dsmt, right?

Grapefruit products are only useful for substances that aren't prodrugs and even then for many it's not effective

>>83066233
>>83066367

Sorry mixed it up with cyp3a4, you're actually good nvm what i said

>>83066233
>a low dose of codeine (of a 180mg)
Psychonautwiki says it's still a strong dose but I assume you factor in tolerance (though 2 times 300mg Tramadol spaced out in a week shouldn't give a very high tolerance imo).
>I wonder how this would work with stronger shit, I guess it will work dangerously
Yeah, most likely.
>I feel pretty good
I'm glad.
>grapefruit tastes like fucking shit and ass
Not my favorite fruit either. My gran loves it though. Maybe next time try it in a smoothie with other fruit to mask the taste.
Happy the results are good! Thank you for the report.

I'm done feeding the flame. The weekdays will surely kill this thread soon enough. I have no delusions otherwise. It's been a good run.
Until next week!