Thread 16701739

>>16701739 (OP)
Not when those in charge are businessmen whose sole aim is to make money.

All scientific progress, without exception, has been made by scientific institutions whose sole aim is to advance mankind. Not companies.

>>16701739 (OP)

Ah, we´ll get there ... :)

>>16701753
>All scientific progress, without exception, has been made by scientific institutions whose sole aim is to advance mankind. Not companies.
holy retard
basically everything in the modern world was made or made possible by one company
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_Labs

Why is block 2 starship so fucking shite? Block 1 made it back to earth and managed a passable propulsive landing, block 2 just shakes it's to pieces or straight up explodes?
Any theories on this, sabotage? Indians? Tax dodge? The firmament? Is space actually fake?
I don't even want to watch the next test flight and I've seen them all since the hopper thing

>>16701781
They simplified the design too much and every time something goes wrong they get zero insight into what happened, just guesses.

>>16701739 (OP)
not in the next 20 years
i'd even say 30 years

>>16701753
>All scientific progress, without exception, has been made by scientific institutions whose sole aim is to advance
warfare.

>>16701739 (OP)
so is Starship now officially worse than SLS or the N1 rocket?

>>16701739 (OP)
Correct. Trump used Elon as a fall guy so humanity is doomed.

>>16701739 (OP)
Starship is proving itself to be starshit.

>>16701739 (OP)
Ship 36 made it to Mars, OP.
And we got a letter from your dog. He loves life at the big farm in the country. Lots of room to run and explore.
Just like Mars.

>>16701739 (OP)
>We're Never Going To Mars Are We?
probably not. a returning vehicle has not even been named yet, let alone tested.p, meanwhile we are running out of time. darkness shall descend.

>>16702576
>a returning vehicle
>returning
anon... I...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTzpKSe_AkY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XK7nzAW_b0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqWZqQXk_Ao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1M02bAWDFkI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_6SlT3Yy10
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llyiQ4I-mcQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4m48GqaOz90
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gogexxf2kEc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WaV2x8GXj0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haW_ruZ_Be8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4SnIJJCH8w

>>16701817
and porn

>>16702725
What if the moon people had to transition and become kawaii fetish objects to get their green card! Imagine the cute and innovative moon baloon sex that would be happening ^-^

>>16701739 (OP)
Mars? Not a chance.

At the rate we're going, we won't even return to the moon.

>>16701781
>leaking
Raptor 2 pressure is pushed way too fucking high in order to make up for having the same amount of engines for a heavy ship, the piping and aft literally can't handle it
>COPV explosion mixing propellants
Shitty choice of materials (cope fiber) and poor handling of COPVs by unqualified staff

>>16702751
Only brainlets think Mars is hard. Getting to orbit without something exploding is hard. Refueling, orbital transfers, reentry, and landing is literally as easy as pointing and clicking as long as nothing you need to point and click has blown up.

>>16702763
Why would refueling be easier in space if you can't even pull it off on the ground without blowing up Massey's

>>16702796
The problem isn't refueling, it's the shitty COPVs

>rocket explodes
it's literally over. It's fucking over.

>>16702801
It's a problem when you've been developing this for half a decade, it wasn't scheduled to fly, and it was just a static fire test.

It blew up not only itself, but the catching tower, and the surrounding facilities with fuel.

You're going to have to rebuild everything.

>>16701739 (OP)
>We're Never Going To Mars Are We?

*Elon is never going to Mars, no.
China might get to Mars.

>>16701739 (OP)
Never went to the moon in the first place.

>>16701739 (OP)
Every rocket that explodes teaches us one more way for how NOT to build a rocket.
Once we have eliminated all the incorrect ways to build rocket, all that will be left are the ones that do work.

The pad is destroyed.

>>16702837
sound like a lot of money

>>16702837
>Every rocket that explodes teaches us one more way for how NOT to build a rocket.
That's only if you took detailed enough notes and have recovered enough materials and logs to know what you did wrong and ALSO nobody fucked up in implementing your notes.

If somebody flipped the wrong lever or forgot a few bolts and your rocket is a pile of ash and slag, you aren't taught shit.

>>16701739 (OP)
elon is being sabotaged.

>>16701756
Bell Labs was basically a publicly funded research lab run like an academic institution.
https://links.fabiomanganiello.com/share/683ee70d0409e6.66273547

>>16702852
Money is temporary, knowledge is forever (unless we go down dark ages 2.0 timeline)
>>16702872
Louis Slotin was careless with the demon core and got himself killed.
When carelessness sets a precedent for being more careful in the future, that too is progress.
You can be flippant with some things, and often you only find out what's deserving of attention through mistakes

>>16702888
>When carelessness sets a precedent for being more careful in the future
Louis Slotin was breaking safety protocols in the first place. His death didn't accomplish jack shit, in much the same ways as the deaths of the guys killed *before him* didn't accomplish jack shit.

>>16701739 (OP)
>cant even get do a testfire without exploding
why does it feel like we're going backwards?

>>16702902
If we are, we should see their labs/factories burn down next.

>>16702902
They are. Before they used to be able to land at least part of the rocket. Now they just tumbled out of space or explode. Or hatch doors not opening.

The test is working as expected, it's supposed to catch something like this before real people are on board and they end up with a real PR disaster that would cause an actual 20+ year set back.

>>16701748
just a scratch :^)

>>16701739 (OP)
It's just a little burnt. It's still good, it's still good!

>>16701739 (OP)
We would have made it to Mars by now if the adults in the room had their way and these moneys and enthusiasm were poured into this.

>>16701739 (OP)

"Mars" is not a "place" anyone can "go to".

hopefully not.

Mars must be STUDIED before being colonized. There are much better ways such as O'Neyll cylinders to live up there.

>>16701739 (OP)
"Our" first mistake was trusting Elon with literally anything

>let's go to mars, the moon's not haunted enough
>hey guys do you think doom runs on reality btw what about phobos lmao xdd

“Let’s go to Mars” is just a pipe dream that Elon says to grift idealistic young engineers into working 80hrs a week for the lowest pay possible. SpaceX notoriously pays under the industry average and their RSUs vest over 5 years instead of the typical 4. After 2-3 years most burn out and become disillusioned with the chaotic churn, poor people leadership, and general culture. Don’t get me wrong SpaceX has done a ton of cool stuff but it’s not without its flaws.

>>16701756
Anon Bell Labs got it's status and funding specifically and exclusively because all Bell subsidiaries directing a portion of their revenue towards R&D (through Bell Labs) was a non-negotiable condition of the Antitrust deal with the government. Everyone fucking knows this.

Bell spent literal tens of millions of Dollars (back when it has worth much more than now) in legal fees trying to weasel out of it and failed. They only started spend money on science when a nonconsensual nanny state jackboot up their asses forced them to, and then only the dictated amount and not a single penny more.

>>16701739 (OP)
don't worry because we will have a Mars base in 2045

>>16701739 (OP)
What made you think we even had a chance?

>>16701781
They are trying to cut corners in as many places as possible to reduce its weight in an attempt to increase its payload capacity.

US space program gonna be irrelevant like russia and china is gonna be the leaders of the race

>>16703623
The smartest man on the planet, Elon Musk, said so

Until we have a final solution to the nigger and Jewish question, you can forget about any western inventions ever again.

He clearly needs to hire more Indians

>>16703637
>Elon Musk
>smartest man
Humanity is doomed.

>>16701781
Elon hasn't figure out yet that his rockets are being sabotaged by butthurt losers from the last election.

>>16702809
it blew up the static fire test stand, not the catch tower
the catch tower is a couple of miles up the road

>>16702846
Billions of dollars. Unimaginative damage to the environment. Guess who's gonna pay for that. Not elmo, that's for sure.

>>16701739 (OP)
Seriously how the fuck are they still having these mother fuckers exploding on the launch pad? Even shit like the CIA had a few rocky years to start but they were launching shit into space for the last 60 or so years without (many?) incidents. Those billion dollar spy satellites sure as fuck weren't exploding on the pad.

Maybe, JUST MAYBE, spacex is kinda shit and are cutting way too many fucking corners. They turned into Nasa. There is nothing routine about space travel. You can't just MAKE a shuttle and expect it to work cheaply.

>>16704424
The word you were thinking of is "unimaginable"

I'm so happy that God has a sense of humor and that we're witnessing a Tower of Babel 2.0 in our lifetimes.

>>16701739 (OP)
hey, rocket chads and other /sci/ Lords, come give some help with other physics problem here >>16704969

>>16701753

Pfizer – Penicillin mass production (1940s)

Eli Lilly – Insulin synthesis (1923)

Abbott Laboratories – HIV protease inhibitors (1995)

AstraZeneca (ICI) – Tamoxifen breast cancer drug (1960s)

Bell Labs – Transistor (1947)

Bell Labs – Solar cell (1954)

Bell Labs – Laser (1960)

Bell Labs – CCD image sensor (1969)

Bell Labs – UNIX OS (1969)

Bell Labs – Touch-tone dialing (1963)

Corning & Bell Labs – Fiber optic communication (1970s)

Motorola – Cellular phone (1973)

IBM – Hard disk drive (1956)

Philips & Sony – Compact Disc (1982)

Sony & Samsung – LED TV display (2000s)

JVC – VHS videotape (1976)

Mercedes-Benz – Airbags (1971)

Bosch – ABS braking system (1978)

Toyota – Hybrid drivetrain (1997)

SpaceX – Reusable rocket (2015)

DuPont – Teflon (1938)

DuPont – Nylon (1935)

3M – Post-it Notes (1977)

W.L. Gore & Associates – Gore-Tex (1969)

Georges de Mestral – Velcro (1941)

Google – PageRank search algorithm (1998)

Apple – iPhone smartphone (2007)

>>16701739 (OP)
Wernher von Braun > Elon Musk

>All of the technical leaders had come to the United States under Operation Paperclip after working together at Peenemünde.
>Von Braun knew well the capabilities of these individuals and had great confidence in them.
>In the following decade of developing hardware and technical operations that established new levels of complexity, there was never a single failure of their booster designs during crewed flight.

It is literally all fake and gay. I wish I was joking.

>>16705096
weird corporate whitewashing of history. corporations basically take publicly funded research and patent it. source: me, first hand experience in private research. every patent my company owned came from postdocs whose salaries and instruments came from NIH/DoE grants.

>>16705248
Why give private grants when they could just do it in house? Oh yeah because private it functions better. Cope monkey

>>16701739 (OP)
>The moon: Frozen uninhabitable radioactive pile of shit covered in poisonous micro-glass abrasives which eat through 22 layers of space suit with no tectonics to bring valuables back up to the surface.
>Mars: Frozen slightly less radioactive pile of shit rust ball where anything you'd want sank to the dead core a billion years ago and massive gravity well with no reason to visit.
>Mercury: Imagine hell.
>Venus: Imagine hell but it's inside of a rice cooker at max pressure and everything is made of acid.
>Jupiter, Nepture, Uranus, Saturn: *Stalker radiation Geiger counter breaks your speakers.* and your freeze to death.
>Saturn/Jovian moons: You have been fried by rads, frozen, and unceremoniously catapulted into outer space by a random mile wide geyser eruption.

You're not going to live in space.
Your children will not live in space.
No one is going to live in space, it is a meme.

>>16705418
I have never met a wojak poster that I was not convinced was a pedophile

>>16705226

Von Braun was a scientist, not an engineer. He also wrote this sci fi novel, Musk basically stole his dreams.

>>16705482

>Not an businessman*

Correction: He was a scientist and engineer.

He was not simply a rich man who hired people to build rockets.

It was also a government project, not a private enterprise.

Workers steal panels from Musk's rockets to sell on eBay.

The man mocks God and also allies with the zionists, though Von Braun was a literal nazi.

Rocketry is a strange field. Hamas also builds rockets, they are meant to explode.

>>16705484

We have the Artemis Program for NASA already with the ESA. To build a lunar base for missions to Mars.

Two TRILLION dollars to murder Muslim children in Afghanistan and 58 billion for Artemis. We could have already built bases on the moon, yet the program is criticized in favor of SpaceX and this charlatan.

The NSF is still producing Nobel worthy discoveries in astronomy. Instead we are subsidizing the drug addicted zionist billionaire and his vanity projects.

We don't need this. We have NASA. If we shifted our priorities from genocidal zionist imperialism to nation building the human race would already be living on the moon and planning missions to Mars. Let alone taking care of our neglected nation and its neglected school system.

>>16705488
Why do people assume that if spending didn't happen on X, it would happen on Y instead, where Y is the thing they want? Maybe that two trillion would have been spent on social program. Maybe it would have been spent on ag subsidies. Maybe it wouldn't have been spent at all and the debt would be a bit smaller. Everyone has their own ideas on where government spending should go. It's unlikely most will agree with your ideas.

>>16705231
This fucking retard actually thinks these images are meant to be actual photos taken of our galaxy. They're all estimate renderings based on the data we have you idiot. We can't even hardly capture an image of a black hole, what makes you think we'd have a detailed picture of our entire fucking galaxy.

>>16705418
I mean to be fair space colonies may happen eventually

>>16705248
Governments make regulations that stifle competitors to monopolies.
Government makes patent laws corporations use against you.
Yet you don’t blame it?

>>16705488
> We don't need this. We have NASA. If we shifted our priorities from genocidal zionist imperialism to nation building the human race would already be living on the moon and planning missions to Mars. Let alone taking care of our neglected nation and its neglected school system.
Delusional man, a useful idiot.

>>16705502
Wait so that orange black hole faggot picture isn't even accurate? What the fuck are you lazy fucking scientists doing! FUCKING DO BETTER WITH THEM JESUS

>>16705096
How was Bell Labs so based?

Why would I want to go to Mars?
Titan and Neptune sound much cooler.

You know soýentists believe it rains diamonds on Neptune?

>>16706565
Government enforced monopoly with the requirement a percentage of their profits go into R&D while there also being a prohibition on using their monopoly position to enter new markets causing the licensing of researched tech to be their only path to recovering funds poured into the labs.

>>16705096
What retard puts the iPhone and VHS onthesame list as the transistor and insulin

>>16701739 (OP)
There's no good reason to go there other than to dick wave.

>>16706812
It's chatgpt, I actually removed even stupider shit from that list before posting

>>16701739 (OP)
We don't even have the tech to go to the moon anymore. Better off just rebuilding the Saturn V and sending it to Mars like they designed it for, too bad nobody would know how to operate it.

>>16706827
Sounds like a good reason to me

>>16701739 (OP)
wow concerning

>>16706827
No jews on Mars and few niggers

>>16706967
>Better off just rebuilding the Saturn V
We don't have the technology to build many of the component parts. Recreating the Saturn V would be more difficult than building something new from scratch.

>>16706967
>Saturn V
Expendable trash

>16705231
both are pictures of ngc 2336 but the one on the right is slightly edited senpai
meds now
>>16705502
his schizophrenia (bait) is focused on some random bumfuck galaxies not ours

>>16701739 (OP)
this is blumpf getting back at him

>>16703860
space x is mostly white, cope harder

China will go to the Moon

>>16705096
>NASA- Reusable Rocket (1981)
You're Welcome

>>16701739 (OP)
So, they blew their rocket as an excuse to not try to fly to Mars because of reasons they cannot discuss?

>>16705231
so your argument is all deep space imagery is nothing but sime CGI that took them 5 minutes to render
but your argument is also that they are still too lazy to design two galaxies where they need two and instead they just flip an existing one and render it again
understandable

>>16705096
You're only partially correct. Those projects never exist in a vacuum and are almost always are characterised through strong ties to local universities. It's just how the world works.
Also this >>16710121

>>16701753
>whose sole aim is to advance mankind
Funny way of saying to advance warfighting capabilities.

>>16702674
Stop spamming your garbage boomer taste in music. Ford Truck Month anthems ffs...

https://youtu.be/K5XJHTqc0Sc

>>16701781
I posted this many months ago. Once I posted it on /sfg/ and got a three day ban for "trolling"...

>Threadly reminder that raptor engines are simply too pussy to boost the Starship to orbit. Clustering them doesn't "increase" the thrust, it only creates interference patterns in the exhaust and inevitably creates a bottleneck in the fuel supply...this is why green exhaust from cooked, exploding engines or fuel line blowouts are a routine on every flight to date. The efficiency takes a huge hit that the quantity of engines cannot possibly compensate for.

>The net result is that a dead-empty Starship is still unable to achieve orbit and can only fly on a parabolic arc into the Indian Ocean, its maximum possible range. Landing the booster in Mechazilla is a hollow victory, because it's impossible to know the capacity of that given booster...it may actually be weaker than the Falcon Heavy or New Glenn, due to mounting inefficiencies.

>To effectively test ANY rocket system, a ballast "dummy" load is typically used. Additionally, if Starship were capable of reaching orbit, this would be the best place to "park" it so its systems can be reviewed and a closer landing site can be prepared and the vehicle examined, post-reentry. Musk fans need to ask themselves why neither of these tasks are occurring.

Paragraph 3 was "addressed" by attempting to load dummy Starlink satellites to test the deployment system in-flight, before attaining stable orbit. The result is that Starship starts tumbling like a badly thrown hammer the instant its thrust is shut off. It's not that Block 2 is particularly worse, it's just that the entire design is ass...Starship is a rocket that carries its second stage into orbit instead of jettisoning it in the hopes that it can be recycled. In the absence of maneuvering thrusters, that empty weight becomes the handle on a thrown hammer.

The entire design is fundamentally flawed.

>>16702674
Amazing joke

>>16705231
Shut up, fag.

>>16705231
>>16707732
>both are pictures of ngc 2336 but the one on the right is slightly edited senpai
meds now
Nice catch. Funny these skeptics never cite their sources. I'm willing to bet this independent thinker asked ChatGPT for the pictures, which then made up the image based on others it had been trained on.

>>16705482
Did you read the novel? In von Braun's book he said the head of state of Mars was called "Elon".

>>16701739 (OP)
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
LET THE AMERICOPE BEGIN

>>16701739 (OP)
will this rival the N-1 explosion?

Human space programs should focus on launching millions of probes carrying proof of our existence out of the solar system. If we had remained primitive apes we wouldn't have to deal with the knowledge that we'll never expand beyond this planet, and that our time on it will be really short lived.

Yup. Mars is very far away. There's nothing there economically for companies to want to invest to get there. We should focus NASA on asteroid mining since there's money there. Building a military/research/space outpost on the moon. That would be very useful and produce results in the next 50 years.

you believed that africa would save you over the united states?

elon musk is another jewish scam to try and kill michigan which has a solid base.

honestly this planet eats shit too but we cradle it

>>16701739 (OP)
lol

>>16710857
You've got me confused. What does Michigan have to do with anything?

>>16710774
implying that the apes don\t know that too ?

You shouldn't be 'going Mars' any way you stupid people. It barren

>>16710446
you're fucking retarded if you think literally any of that

>>16710446
Jannies correctly identified a troll. Not my problem.

>>16701739 (OP)
Thunderfag warned about this

>>16703963
I hate conspiracy theories but it's interesting F9 has worked 500 times and starship was on track until Elon became controversial and now every one pops, every time.

>>16701739 (OP)
>exploding rockets
>failing congress
they were never designed to go to mars

>>16712051
I was pretty nervous watching the recent manned axiom launch kek

>>16701739 (OP)
>we are running out of helium
>what most of the helium on Earth is being used for

>>16713658
they don't use helium for Starship now actually

>>16702846
Maybe build a wall or two of concrete shielding all that important stuff from explosion accidents, just spitballing here

>>16710774
Just launch a bunch of laser enscribed tungsten cubes into space (with highly reflective corner markers), first the stable lagrange points of our solar system, then the local stars and then the galaxy

>>16705096
>Sony & Samsung – LED TV display (2000s)
They put LEDs inside an LCD TV. But the LED or white LED are not on the list

>>16714996
These will last billions of years btw, mostly intact, why not?

>>16701753
Wrong

>>16701739 (OP)

we're going to Mars in one or two more tech bubbles

>>16703322
I take it the three letter agencies that "encouraged" bell labs to perform the research, are now bought and owned by those companies?

I imagine this is why, say for example the NSA/CIA is not assassinating the families of the telecommunications companies who were paid half a trillion U.S. tax dollars to upgrade the U.S. third world level fiber infrastructure, but instead stole the money and have never sent a single dime of the hundreds of billions they stole openly right in front of our fucking faces.
I take i the steal is full on out in the open now when even the FBI agents are simply filling their pockets with as much loot as they can before the ship finally sinks for good.
What a depressingly horrid jewish fiat shit hole.

>>16703963
>Elon hasn't figure out yet that his rockets are being sabotaged by Steve Bannon.

fify

He was right

>>16701739 (OP)
Competency crisis has hit a tipping point.

>>16711616
Not an argument. The design will never work and that's now an established fact. Cope as necessary.

>>16701739 (OP)
Clearly needs to hire more pajeets to patch the holes up with sexual autism and shit. That’ll help.

>>16701739 (OP)
No ironically because safetycucks would never make it viable. Frontiers are filled with blood

>>16703207
Didn't know Hirohiko Araki was an anon.

>>16714996
>>16715303
Why tungsten, why not gold or some other material? I'm just curious.

>>16709861
>smelly, but mostly white workplace

>>16701739 (OP)
We will once Elon is President. His America Party will win and save Humanity.

>>16701739 (OP)

Who do you mean by "we"? China " we" is going. America "we" is not.

THREAD UPDATE:
Elon Musk has just announced that he's going to try to split the Republican vote in half with a new "America" party. Every last bit of SpaceX's funding will now be cut the fuck off by the Trump administration. Only a retard would argue with this outcome.

SpaceX is through.