Is science mostly a scam? - /sci/ (#16710171) [Archived: 607 hours ago]

Anonymous
6/29/2025, 3:27:58 PM No.16710171
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I was recently thinking of how most of medicine is doctors suppressing symptoms of a disease rather than curing it so they can make a profit. This made me begin to wonder: is the majority of science just spinning your wheels while making it look like you're doing something important for money/clout?
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 3:34:19 PM No.16710174
>most of medicine is doctors suppressing symptoms of a disease rather than curing it so they can make a profit
It's not.

>the majority of science just spinning your wheels while making it look like you're doing something important for money/clout
The majority of science, no. But scammers and grifters exist wherever there are humans. And ironically, in science, such grifters are usually spreading conspiracies like the one you said (with exceptions, of course)
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 4:24:25 PM No.16710212
>>16710174
>It's not.
I'm a grifter for telling the truth? What do they do other than suppress symptoms? Why do you think medicine is so lucrative?
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 4:33:29 PM No.16710219
>>16710174
This. Every field has its scammers, but they’re pretty obviously the ones pushing fake cure-alls or secret knowledge scams, not the other 99% of people working in a field.
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 5:16:12 PM No.16710263
>>16710212
>Why do you think medicine is so lucrative?

I dunno, maybe because the conditions of health are a universal fact of every human being on Earth?

I mean you may as well ask why food production is so lucrative.
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 5:41:47 PM No.16710280
>>16710174
>It's not.
Lol retard 99.99% of medicine is palliative
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 6:05:35 PM No.16710294
>>16710263
>I mean you may as well ask why food production is so lucrative
Apples and oranges. Every living thing needs to eat, and humans have enough intelligence to indulge their gustatory appetites. Nobody likes getting sick and injured.
The only real utility of modern medicine is in the realm of non-cosmetic surgeries and first aid, with few minor exceptions.
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 6:08:21 PM No.16710298
>>16710294
Have you heard of Advil
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 6:47:01 PM No.16710326
>>16710171 (OP)
Recently my AC joint popped. The doctor cut that sucker open, sutured whatever ligaments they could save and screwed a plate on there for the time it takes to heal.
Then some bitch gave me mycoplasma and chlamydia, another doctor gave me antibiotics and its all fine and dandy again.
Then I had whooping cough and birdflu at the same time after a trip to asia. Doctor gave me antibiotics for the whooping cough again, the bird flu resolved itself.
I dont know about you but only treating the symptoms means something different to me. Maybe you're an LGBT who burdens the doctor with every insignificant scratch and as a result the doctor tells you to take your NSAIDs and sit it out. Could that be where you got your impression from? Try not being LGBT.
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 6:48:37 PM No.16710329
>>16710174
>It's not.
Except every auto-immune disease that was, is and forever will be suppressed by ever more expensive anti-inflammatory drugs.
>Here's your new [...]-mab. Would you like a thousand dollar infusion every 8 weeks or do-it-yourself- injections every 2 weeks for even more moneys? Unfortunately you will die a slow painful death without it so no is not an option.
Start curing me already you fucking shill.
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 6:50:25 PM No.16710332
>>16710329
LMAO. It should be pretty self explanatory that diseases that originate on the inside - and as such are the result of an a priori defective organism - will never be easy to cure.
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 6:53:29 PM No.16710334
>>16710332
>Poisons the water.
>Calls sick fish a priority defective.
You're begging for the rope aren't you?
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 7:02:11 PM No.16710341
>>16710329
>its actually super duper easy to find cures to everything but i dont because ermmmmmmmm... the jews!
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 7:13:07 PM No.16710350
>>16710341
>Create false representation of someone's viewpoint.
>Attack false representation and not someone's actual viewpoint.
If you only took a second to look up the medical literature about auto-immune disease you would immediately noticed it's been severely misguided for decades. That's either incompetent or malicious. Medical scientists are obviously very competent so that leaves malice.
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 7:17:39 PM No.16710355
>>16710341
>businesses never actually lie and cheat to make money because ermmmmmmmm... the altruisms!
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 7:18:09 PM No.16710358
>>16710350
>medical literature about auto-immune disease you would immediately noticed it's been severely misguided for decades.
How?

>Medical scientists are obviously very competent
Questionable
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 7:28:20 PM No.16710365
>>16710355
Big pharma fucks people by keeping copyright on molecules and price gouging life saving medicine, not by hiding the secret miracle to stop entropy
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 7:35:57 PM No.16710372
>>16710358
>How?
To start studying a disease one would want a quick and clear overview of prevalence in order to find patterns in where, when, to whom and many such circumstances the disease occurs. Google it now and you find no such overview. Decades of world wide web information exchange and you will need to scrape the data from all sorts of journals hiding their scraps behind huge paywalls.

Second: lots of studies and "new insights" are kicking in open doors and are just about managing the disease.
>Gosh Goofy, will giving calcium and vitamin D to patients using anti-inflammatory drugs that leech bone mass (prednisone) actually help to prevent and limit bone loss?
>Gosh Goofy, perhaps if we give patients with only mild chronic disease and mild symptoms just iron pills instead of iron infusions that might just be a more cost-effective strategy to keep health care affordable, wouldn't you say?

There's only very few studies of the fundamental mechanisms and those are complete mental masturbation.
>Now look sir it might seem like the immune system is overreacting but actually that's because it was deficient in the first place so now it needs to overreact but that has the side effect of actual weakening the immune system further so it needs to overreact some more but wait actually overreaction is good to annihilate the most dangerous pathogens but we lack dangerous pathogens so it doesn't really have an enemy to overreact anymore or does it because all that hygiene and refrigeration you see it limits growth of some bugs but it actually encourages the growth of other novel more cold-resistant bugs that our body doesn't need to deal with except not everyone exposed to the modern world gets these auto-immune diseases and that's because of genes you know except there's all sorts of pathways that can lead to the same outcomes and people can actually have the same genetic "flaws" that may or may not be flaws depending on the context but anyway only one might get it...
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 7:38:57 PM No.16710375
>>16710365
>secret miracle to stop entropy
If I keep saying hysterically retarded things, maybe people will stop hating me :( :(
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 7:43:32 PM No.16710378
>>16710375
How would you more accurately describe this secret treatment to cancer + every immune disease that big pharma has but does not release because oy vey?
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 7:52:58 PM No.16710382
>>16710378
>secret treatment to cancer
>+ every immune disease
>because oy vey
Are you even reading the shit you write lol
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 9:59:32 PM No.16710460
>>16710326
Such products are superfluous.People have been using simple folk remedies to relieve pain for millennia without the need to enrich Big Pharma.
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 10:00:33 PM No.16710463
>>16710298
Superfluous. People have been using simple folk remedies to relieve pain for millennia without the need to enrich Big Pharma.
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 10:06:48 PM No.16710472
>>16710378
Big Pharma possesses no effective treatments of their own but derides those who propagate the knowledge, which is itself, most times, simple and low cost.
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 10:12:51 PM No.16710476
>>16710171 (OP)
At least 70% of it is.
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 10:15:28 PM No.16710479
>>16710476
What's the 30% that's actually progressing?
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 10:26:03 PM No.16710488
>>16710479
The 30% is just methods that actually work.
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 10:29:25 PM No.16710497
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Certainly someone must have written the /sci/ equivalent of this book. Does anybody know?
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 11:29:40 PM No.16710532
>>16710171 (OP)
We should make it illegal to be a doctor so nobody has to pay these insane prices instead people should just die from treatable diseases
Anonymous
6/30/2025, 4:37:04 AM No.16710768
bump
sage
6/30/2025, 5:07:09 AM No.16710783
>>16710463
Asprin (Salicylic acid) is derived from pain killing willow bark (contains salicin)
Artemisinin is derived from malaria fighting sweet wormwood (Artemisia annua)
Opioids are derived from...fucking opium poppies
What you're doing is going and saying "Trying to paint your house? Just go out and harvest/crush some cochineal beetles fucker! People have been using simple folk dyes to color things without the need to enrich Big Paint!"
All fields. Now go get a job hippie
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Anonymous
6/30/2025, 6:16:09 AM No.16710833
>>16710783
The point is these remedies already existed; medical science has created nothing new. It's just repackaged herbology, you dumb fuck.
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Anonymous
6/30/2025, 6:46:16 AM No.16710844
>>16710833
Did the medical system repackage targeted chemotherapy and brain surgery?
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Anonymous
6/30/2025, 6:50:36 AM No.16710846
>>16710171 (OP)
>most of medicine is doctors suppressing symptoms of a disease rather than curing it
This is true.
>so they can make a profit
This is not.

Do you think there's some magic science goo they could inject you with to cure you? If course not. Come up with such a thing and you'll be an instant Nobel Prize winner.
Your body is pretty damn good at repairing itself. By suppressing adverse symptoms, doctors allow your body to be more effective at doing just that.

Stop imposing malicious intent when the simpler answer is "they know something that you don't."
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Anonymous
6/30/2025, 6:50:45 AM No.16710847
>>16710171 (OP)
Yes actually. Only (YOU), 4chud anonymous, know the truth.
Anonymous
6/30/2025, 6:55:35 AM No.16710848
dumb dumb DUMB retard OP
Anonymous
6/30/2025, 8:17:52 AM No.16710872
>>16710171 (OP)
>>16710212
>>16710280
>>16710294
>>16710329
>>16710334
>>16710350
>>16710355
>>16710372
No one's forcing you to go to a doctor
In fact we would prefer to have less schizo patients
So stick it to the corrupt big pharma and stay home
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Anonymous
6/30/2025, 9:00:47 AM No.16710890
>>16710294
>Every living thing needs to eat
And every living thing eventually malfunctions in a way that requires intervention if it wants to continue living.
>humans have enough intelligence to indulge their gustatory appetites
They also have enough intelligence to go to a doctor when an owie happens.
>Nobody likes getting sick and injured
Nobody likes being hungry, either.
>The only real utility of modern medicine is in the realm of non-cosmetic surgeries and first aid
Sure Anon I will just give you some aspirin when you suffer from a heart attack and send you home, fuck monitoring you after that has no utility lmao. Weren't you complaining about only treating symptoms just now?
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Anonymous
6/30/2025, 9:02:59 AM No.16710892
>>16710783
>Opioids are derived from...fucking opium poppies
Opiates are. Opioids include synthetics.
Anonymous
6/30/2025, 2:14:00 PM No.16711043
>>16710846
But he’s obviously the most intelligent man in the universe, anon. What could these “doctors” with their “degrees” and their “lab coats” possibly know that he doesn’t?
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Anonymous
6/30/2025, 5:21:05 PM No.16711206
>>16710844
>chemotherapy
Symptom-suppressing palliative. Chemo indiscriminately destroys cancerous as well as healthy cells while doing nothing to eliminate the root cause, which is why diseases, particularly cancer, can return after chemotherapy more aggressive and resistant to treatment.
>brain surgery
I already stated above that non-cosmetic brain surgery was about the only thing of any real use. And that isn't even something modern medicine can claim bragging rights to, as skulls dating back thousands of years show that ancient people had already advanced brain surgery to a very high level even without the convenience of modern state-of-the-art equipment.
Anonymous
6/30/2025, 5:24:38 PM No.16711210
>>16710844
>chemotherapy
Symptom-suppressing palliative. Chemo indiscriminately destroys cancerous as well as healthy cells while doing nothing to eliminate the root cause, which is why diseases, particularly cancer, can return after chemotherapy more aggressive and resistant to treatment.
>brain surgery
I already stated above that non-cosmetic surgery was about the only thing of any real use. And that isn't even something modern medicine can claim bragging rights to, as skulls dating back thousands of years show that ancient people had already advanced brain surgery to a very high level even without the convenience of modern state-of-the-art equipment.
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Anonymous
6/30/2025, 5:39:14 PM No.16711218
>>16711210
>Chemo indiscriminately destroys cancerous as well as healthy cells while doing nothing to eliminate the root cause,
What do you reckon the "root cause" of the cancer is?
Anonymous
6/30/2025, 5:56:00 PM No.16711226
>>16710890
>And every living thing eventually malfunctions in a way that requires intervention if it wants to continue living.
When an organism lives life adhering to practices that preserve health while eschewing all deleterious habits, then the only malfunction it will ever encounter (excepting accidents and injuries) is old age and death, which no intervention can prolong.
>They also have enough intelligence to go to a doctor when an owie happens.
Not so much intelligence as being conditioned into it. A comparison between the two cannot be drawn. You don't need a second opinion when you're feeling ravenous; you just eat. Doctors are notorious for performing or recommending things that offer no benefit, if not making matters worse. Why do you think the maxim "An apple a day keeps the doctor away" exists?
>Nobody likes being hungry, either.
Nobody likes starving, you mean. The anticipation of eating a delicious meal that hunger evokes is one of the joys of life.
>Sure Anon I will just give you some aspirin when you suffer from a heart attack and send you home, fuck monitoring you after that has no utility lmao. Weren't you complaining about only treating symptoms just now?
You were attempting to mock me, but ironically one of the treatments doctors give for heart attacks is aspirin. Surgery is the main procedure for dealing with heart attacks, which is something I already stated is one of the few things that are actually of any value in the assortment of medicine.
>>16711043
Educated idiots who unquestioningly regurgitate what they've been taught. I'm not smarter than any of you, I just have common sense.
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Anonymous
6/30/2025, 7:18:23 PM No.16711314
>>16710375
Hasn't worked for you yet
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Anonymous
6/30/2025, 7:27:54 PM No.16711331
>>16711314
It did, I fucked your mouth while you weren't paying attention and you kindly swallowed it.
Anonymous
6/30/2025, 9:21:33 PM No.16711540
>>16710497
bump for this
Anonymous
7/1/2025, 8:56:08 AM No.16712095
>>16710212
We are paying exorbitant prices so that thirdies and niggers can get them for free. It's very simple.

It's true that many (not all) medicines only suppress the symptoms. That's because your own body is actually responsible for fighting the disease, and relieved symptoms have real effects on your body and mind that allows you to better fight the disease (for example, lets you sleep soundly)
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Anonymous
7/1/2025, 9:09:24 AM No.16712104
>>16711210
The root cause of cancer is organisms experiencing genetic mutation, some of which have a cause and some of which do not (quantum randomness). Genetic mutation also drives evolution.
If you don't want cancer, become a rock.
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Anonymous
7/1/2025, 9:11:32 AM No.16712105
>>16710329
>Start curing me already you fucking shill.
If only it were that easy anon, if only.
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Anonymous
7/1/2025, 9:14:43 AM No.16712107
>>16710372
Notice how no one has argued against this.

>>16710872
>If you don't like us wasting your tax money on misguided research then don't visit a doctor to get what little treatment you can get in return.
The absolute state of /sci/. Now address the points that I've raised (no clear overview of epidemiology, kicking in open doors of disease management, barely any fundamental research to test contradictory hypotheses) or concede.
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Anonymous
7/1/2025, 9:15:31 AM No.16712108
>>16712104
Fundamentally even the "causes" like radiation from cosmic rays are caused by random quantum events. It's just that one can mitigate those causes by doing something about it, like wearing a spacesuit, but some things can never be mitigated. One day your DNA can just decide to fuck up
Anonymous
7/1/2025, 9:25:32 AM No.16712113
>>16711226
>When an organism lives life adhering to practices that preserve health while eschewing all deleterious habits, then the only malfunction it will ever encounter (excepting accidents and injuries) is old age and death, which no intervention can prolong.
You seriously underestimate how complex we, and the environment around us, are, and just how imperfectly we're built.
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Anonymous
7/1/2025, 9:43:36 AM No.16712127
>>16710372
>To start studying a disease one would want a quick and clear overview of prevalence in order to find patterns in where, when, to whom and many such circumstances the disease occurs. Google it now and you find no such overview
Just did. Wasn't very difficult.
https://www.autoimmuneinstitute.org/articles/the-global-landscape-of-autoimmune-disease/

Ofc, "autoimmune disease" isn't a singular disease with a singular cause. So what you're asking for isn't much better than simply asking "what causes disease?"

>>16712107
>Notice how no one has argued against this
And now you know why. Your post was retarded and not even worth reading.
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Anonymous
7/1/2025, 9:58:38 AM No.16712138
>>16710171 (OP)
what does medicine have to do with science? medicine is glorified car repair.
Anonymous
7/1/2025, 10:45:34 AM No.16712173
>>16712107
>no clear overview of epidemiology
are you insane, retarded or both
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Anonymous
7/1/2025, 10:58:29 AM No.16712193
>>16710171 (OP)
Uninformed retard
Anonymous
7/1/2025, 11:59:53 AM No.16712224
>>16710171 (OP)
Medicine is the greatest thing humans have ever invented. Look up the life expectancy of people a hundred years ago and now.
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Anonymous
7/1/2025, 12:47:18 PM No.16712244
>>16712173
Why is that too much to ask in the age of the intertubes?
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Anonymous
7/1/2025, 12:50:00 PM No.16712246
>>16712224
>All the technologies that made all the things hygienic is because of medicine.
No retard.
Anonymous
7/1/2025, 2:05:07 PM No.16712274
>>16710171 (OP)
>science
is a process. scientisms are filled with arm wavers, yelling priests and viziers.
Anonymous
7/1/2025, 3:42:13 PM No.16712390
>>16712224
>Medicine
nah. maybe soap. sewage management. that would eventually be overcome though. be vigilant.
Anonymous
7/1/2025, 5:07:26 PM No.16712475
>>16712095
>We are paying exorbitant prices so that thirdies and niggers can get them for free
I saw a documentary quite recently on how a local Red Cross in an African country had found a remedy for malaria that was far superior to all the medicines that they were using and was essentially dirt cheap. When news of this reached the international Red Cross, it denied the study took place and refused to even verify the results. This, plus the suspicious activity of other NGOs like the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, makes me suspect most of these "charities" are just dog and pony shows of altruism with sinister ulterior motives. You aren't helping those poor saps as much as you think you are.
>relieved symptoms have real effects on your body and mind that allows you to better fight the disease (for example, lets you sleep soundly)
Suppressing symptoms of a disease only provides relief in the short term, with the affliction returning in a more aggressive form in the long term.
Anonymous
7/1/2025, 5:13:25 PM No.16712482
>>16712104
There is nothing random about cancer. The genetic mutation that's responsible for all cancers results from either toxins or stress that pervert the cells' normal functions. Healthy genes never randomly mutate. Evolution is bunk.
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Anonymous
7/1/2025, 5:20:24 PM No.16712493
>>16712482
>either toxins or stress
Why can't you understand that systems are always under endogenous stress and toxicity just by functioning normally? A car, for example, like there's always heat and friction.
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Anonymous
7/1/2025, 5:21:28 PM No.16712496
>>16710171 (OP)
>Is science mostly a scam?
>I was recently thinking of how most of medicine is doctors
stopped reading right there, chief
stop conflating medicine with all of science
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Anonymous
7/1/2025, 5:22:06 PM No.16712497
>>16712113
While we may indeed be complex creatures, the maintenance of this complexity is rather simple.
>how imperfectly we're built.
On the contrary, I'd say we're perfectly built.
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Anonymous
7/1/2025, 5:23:31 PM No.16712500
>>16712107
>>16712173
>>16712244
Reminder that still not even one anon has any argument against my criticism of auto-immune science meaning there's literally no explanation for why auto-immune science is so severely lacking other than incompetence and/or malice.
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Anonymous
7/1/2025, 5:25:37 PM No.16712501
>>16712224
Two other anons have already pointed it out, but I feel like I should echo it even further: simple personal hygiene is what raised the life expectancy rate. Modern medicine played zero part in it
Anonymous
7/1/2025, 5:40:45 PM No.16712518
>>16712493
If I wasn't clear in that post, what was meant was stress or toxins that are in excess of the body's ability to handle. If you were to eat spoiled food, you might get diarrhea, but if you were to ingest cyanide, you'd die.
>A car, for example, like there's always heat and friction
A car isn't self-maintaining, but the same principle applies. No one expects a vehicle that has to undergo stress to an excessive degree compared to what is normal to last long.
Anonymous
7/1/2025, 5:42:09 PM No.16712520
>>16712496
If one field of science is grifting, why is it unreasonable to wonder if others are? It's asking a quetion not making a statement.
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Anonymous
7/1/2025, 5:43:17 PM No.16712523
>>16712482
>Healthy genes never randomly mutate.
*quantum tunnels behind you*
Anonymous
7/1/2025, 5:50:18 PM No.16712525
>>16712497
*spine has S-curve despite us walking upwright
*useless wisdom teeth rot away
*appendix exists
No. We are far from perfect because our environment and demands change constantly
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Anonymous
7/1/2025, 5:57:18 PM No.16712534
>>16712500
>Reminder that still not even one anon has any argument against my criticism of auto-immune science
Except my argument here.
>>16712127
Why do you refuse to address my argument?
Anonymous
7/1/2025, 6:18:05 PM No.16712550
Ignorant
Ignorant
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>>16711226
>When an organism lives life adhering to practices that preserve health while eschewing all deleterious habits, then the only malfunction it will ever encounter (excepting accidents and injuries) is old age and death, which no intervention can prolong.
>illness doesn't exist outside of accidents, injuries and old age
Will you promise me you won't seek any cancer treatments if you develop it before 80?
>Not so much intelligence as being conditioned into it. A comparison between the two cannot be drawn. You don't need a second opinion when you're feeling ravenous; you just eat.
Given that over half of the developed world is overweight, you absolutely should seek a second opinion if your reaction to hunger is to stuff your face like an animal.
>Doctors are notorious for performing or recommending things that offer no benefit, if not making matters worse.
Such as?
>Why do you think the maxim "An apple a day keeps the doctor away" exists?
Because it does? Fruit is good for you, especially when it replaces processed, sugary snacks. Are you some kind of a keto schizo?
>You were attempting to mock me, but ironically one of the treatments doctors give for heart attacks is aspirin.
No shit, how dense are you?
>Surgery is the main procedure for dealing with heart attacks, which is something I already stated is one of the few things that are actually of any value in the assortment of medicine.
Surgery is in fact not the first option. Stabilising a heart attack is typically entirely pharmacological at first, through aspirin, nitroglycerin and thrombolytics. PCI, which may come next, is a minimally invasive procedure, not a surgery. CABG is only done when there are multiple or severe blockages, but it also can't be done if arteries are too damaged. Prevention include a lifestyle adjustments and medication, again.

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about, so why talk?
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Anonymous
7/1/2025, 6:23:24 PM No.16712559
FUCK DOCTORS
FUCK DOCTORS
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>>16712105
Cope, faggot.
Anonymous
7/1/2025, 6:25:43 PM No.16712562
>>16712525
>*spine has S-curve despite us walking upwright
The spine naturally curves to provide flexibility, shock absorption, and proper weight distribution.
>*useless wisdom teeth rot away
The wisdom teeth aren't useless. Humans developed smaller jaws, and thus reduced space for wisdom teeth, with the shift to agriculture and softer foods. This eliminated the need for vigorous mastication that would otherwise cause the jaws to develop enough room to accommodate them. The reduced jaw size has led to the commonality of impacted wisdom teeth and the need for extraction in many individuals.
>*appendix exists
The appendix is comprised mostly of lymphoid tissue and most likely acts as a filter and toxin-destroyer in the same vein as most of the other lymph glands of the body. People who undergo appendectomy have a slightly higher mortality rate than those who don't. And for those that survive the removal of this "vestigial" organ, many long-term health complications arise that were not previously present.

Contrary to what you've been indoctrinated with, there is no such thing as a useless organ. They all serve a function, even if science doesn't fully understand it as yet.
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Anonymous
7/1/2025, 6:25:53 PM No.16712563
>>16712525
>spine has S-curve despite us walking upwright
Literally essential for shock absorbtion and stress distribution. Loss of normal spinal curvature is disastrous.
>useless wisdom teeth rot away
They serve as useful replacements, there's no dentists in nature.
>appendix exists
Serves a role in the immune system by safehousing gut bacteria and secreting mucus. Retards still parroting that appendix is uselss is a telltale sign someone is not up to date in medical knowledge. If you knew anything about medicine you'd go after actual vestigial structures such as auricular muscles. You clueless retards are so fucking easy to spot and yet you can't shut up.
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Anonymous
7/1/2025, 6:27:57 PM No.16712566
>>16712562
This. Retards fail to understand that humans are adapting to unnatural conditions so they declare our bodies are worthless for falling apart due to it.
Anonymous
7/1/2025, 6:30:24 PM No.16712567
>>16712562
>Contrary to what you've been indoctrinated with, there is no such thing as a useless organ. They all serve a function, even if science doesn't fully understand it as yet.
NTA but some organs and structures are considered vestigal. Like i mentioned, you'd have a hard time finding a beneficial function of auricular muscles in modern humans, especially considering many don't have them to begin with and those who do often have zero control over them. They most likely served a function at one point, but they are a mere artifact now.
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Anonymous
7/1/2025, 6:58:52 PM No.16712598
>>16710171 (OP)

get your head outside of being American

because doctors suppress my symptoms in Australia even though they are poor

they just don't know what the fuck they are doing
Anonymous
7/1/2025, 7:17:02 PM No.16712618
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>>16712520
medicine is notorious for having small, expensive, hard to control studies that are logistically and practically difficult to reproduce (e.g. longitudinal studies of like 20 people). moreover, from these studies, most conclusions are drawn from statistical methods, so p-hacking becomes an issue. that's because there is a huge incentive in medicine to turn research into lucrative products. everyone knows the medical industry is completely fucked with how expensive it is because of regulatory capture by insurance and pharma companies, and they want to ride the gravy train too. so, it's really a reproducibility issue coupled with a lot of money at stake which breeds the level of dishonesty present in medicine.

reproducibility is crucial in science. discoveries in most other fields of science can be tested and confirmed or refuted by other scientists far more easily than in medicine. when major developments are reported, people scramble to reproduce results or refute them (think of the high temp super conductor fraud that happened a couple years ago). you make a big name if you can poke holes in major developments, and your own research can benefit from major developments if they are legit, so people naturally try to replicate exciting findings.

grant money is at stake for any field of science, and people compete for that money, but that kind of money comes with strings attached to make sure that it is budgeted for the project and to support people, not to turn a profit. so most scientist doing research in labs don't have a lot of incentive to present fraudulent results, and their professional credibility would be torn to shreds if they did so and were called out.

personally, i do research because i like to understand things. i think most scientists feel the same way.
and i hate how medicine's foul stink is affecting how people view science and research in general.
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Anonymous
7/1/2025, 7:21:38 PM No.16712623
>>16712127
>https://www.autoimmuneinstitute.org/articles/the-global-landscape-of-autoimmune-disease/
Bullshit. I mean a website with tables like an Excel Sheet that can be converted into colorful graphs and the data needs to be recent and spanning many decades: country, year, diagnosed age, current age, sex, ethnicity, born in urban/rural environment, twin with same disease yes/no, income, dietary habits, comorbidity and so on. I'm specifically interested in Crohn's disease but that's besides the point.

>Ofc, "autoimmune disease" isn't a singular disease with a singular cause. So what you're asking for isn't much better than simply asking "what causes disease?"
That would have been a fair point if I hadn't suggested a bunch of specific hypotheses to be tested and at the very least discussed.

>Your post was retarded
That's not an argument for why it's mentally sane for science to focus on kicking in open doors of disease management rather than fundamental research. Oh that's right: because fundamental research doesn't promise a return on investment but inventing the next protein that blocks an interleukin does of course.
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Anonymous
7/1/2025, 7:32:29 PM No.16712629
>>16712623
>Bullshit. I mean a website with tables like an Excel Sheet that can be converted into colorful graphs and the data needs to be recent and spanning many decades: country, year, diagnosed age, current age, sex, ethnicity, born in urban/rural environment, twin with same disease yes/no, income, dietary habits, comorbidity and so on.
So you put up an arbitrarily high goalpost and are surprised you're not finding exactly what you're asking for?

>I'm specifically interested in Crohn's disease
That's useful. Here's something it took me all of 2 minutes to find:
https://www.gastrojournal.org/article/S0016-5085(23)04776-5/fulltext
Data specific to US. Which is unsurprising since data coming out of some third world shithole is going to be unreliable for obvious reasons.

>That would have been a fair point if I hadn't suggested a bunch of specific hypotheses to be tested and at the very least discussed.
Your hypotheses were discussed in the first link I posted.

>That's not an argument for why it's mentally sane for science to focus on kicking in open doors of disease management rather than fundamental research
Your post is retarded specifically because you assume no "fundamental research" is being conducted.
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Anonymous
7/1/2025, 7:35:23 PM No.16712632
>>16712550
>Will you promise me you won't seek any cancer treatments if you develop it before 80?
Your second line of greentext disingenuously omitted the crucial part of the first, which underscored the importance of living healthily. If I develop cancer before 80, it will be because I did not adhere to this stipulation.
>Given that over half of the developed world is overweight, you absolutely should seek a second opinion if your reaction to hunger is to stuff your face like an animal.
Half the developed world is overweight indeed, and yet it wasn't always like this. In fact, obese people were so rare that they were historically part of circus and sideshow acts. Obesity started rising significantly the same time processed foods became popular. Processed foods lack many nutrients that the body needs. So when someone eats them, they get a surplus of calories without the attendant nutriment, so they continue eating. A known trick that fast food outlets do is to drench their meals in high fructose corn syrup. This impairs metabolic and neurological processes that regulate appetite, leading to increased hunger and food intake. Notice wherever in the world you find a nation with a significant number of obese people, they're eating some burgers, soda, candy, cakes, cookies, muffins, pastries, cereal, etc. Nobody gets fat eating healthy.
>stuff your face like an animal
Ironically, obesity, as seen in humans, is rare in the wild.
>Such as?
misdiagnosis, inappropriate treatment, or the suppression of critical information by pharmaceutical companies. Examples include the Vioxx scandal where a drug was approved despite harmful side effects being suppressed, and instances of misdiagnosis or delayed diagnosis leading to worsened outcomes. Just a few decades ago, the words “doctor's recommend” were paired with the most dangerous consumer products of all time: cigarettes.
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Anonymous
7/1/2025, 7:36:54 PM No.16712635
>>16712550
>Because it does?
The maxim is not necessarily referring to diet specifically but to the broader truth that an individual who maintains their health has no need for medicine. Here's one that is more direct: "The doctor is often more to be feared than the disease." There are many more out there if you'd like to hear more.
>No shit, how dense are you?
I thought you were the same anon who made the comment about Advil. Never mind.
>Surgery is in fact not the first option.
You are correct. They thin/anticoagulate the blood first. I believed stenting was classified as surgery, but it isn't.
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Anonymous
7/1/2025, 7:43:46 PM No.16712643
>>16712632
>If I develop cancer before 80, it will be because I did not adhere to this stipulation
So you will promise? There shouldn't be an issue, i'd assume you follow you consider to be these healthy practices, there's no risk to you then. Swear on something of great value to you, like your parents or something.
>Half the developed world is overweight indeed, and yet it wasn't always like this. In fact, obese people were so rare that they were historically part of circus and sideshow acts. Obesity started rising significantly the same time processed foods became popular. Processed foods lack many nutrients that the body needs. So when someone eats them, they get a surplus of calories without the attendant nutriment, so they continue eating. A known trick that fast food outlets do is to drench their meals in high fructose corn syrup. This impairs metabolic and neurological processes that regulate appetite, leading to increased hunger and food intake. Notice wherever in the world you find a nation with a significant number of obese people, they're eating some burgers, soda, candy, cakes, cookies, muffins, pastries, cereal, etc. Nobody gets fat eating healthy.
And? It doesn't change that following hunger unconditionally like an animal would is not something to be done.
> misdiagnosis, inappropriate treatment
You mean mistakes? Yeah those happen, in every field.
>pharmaceutical companies
Are not doctors, don't move the goalposts. What is this bad advice you're getting from doctors that makes things worse?
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Anonymous
7/1/2025, 7:48:43 PM No.16712654
>>16712635
>The maxim is not necessarily referring to diet specifically but to the broader truth that an individual who maintains their health has no need for medicine. Here's one that is more direct: "The doctor is often more to be feared than the disease." There are many more out there if you'd like to hear more.
Anon doctors will also tell you that an apple a day keeps them away. There isn't an evil doctor who tells you not to eat apples. Well i guess there is one grifter like that I'm aware of, but he's an exception, not the average doctor.
>They thin/anticoagulate the blood first. I believed stenting was classified as surgery, but it isn't.
You should probably learn what a surgery is before making broad statements about it. The line between various medical procedures is so thin that saying only one type matters will sound profoundly ignorant to anyone who knows anything about medicine. There's no surgery without pharmacology to begin with.
Anonymous
7/1/2025, 7:51:08 PM No.16712658
>>16710334
Lupus has literally been described since ancient times - or do you think Galen and the Egyptians were in on the big pharma immunotherapy grift too?
Anonymous
7/1/2025, 7:53:28 PM No.16712660
>>16710372
You can literally type in any disease on earth followed by statpearls on Google dot com

Nobody is stopping you from reading the epidemiology tab on each autoimmune disease you want
Anonymous
7/1/2025, 8:10:17 PM No.16712678
>>16712567
>some organs and structures are considered vestigal. Like i mentioned, you'd have a hard time finding a beneficial function of auricular muscles in modern humans
Many people don't even need to visit a dentist to have their wisdom teeth removed, as they don't even show up in a lot of people nowadays. We could work out why people have problems with wisdom teeth because the nature of food is directly in our face and relatively easy to figure out (and even then, most people still missed it), whereas listening is a far more passive activity. I imagine it may be something similar for the auricular muscles but taken to the extreme endpoint of degeneration.
Anonymous
7/1/2025, 8:15:31 PM No.16712688
>>16712562
>The spine naturally curves to provide flexibility, shock absorption, and proper weight distribution.
>>16712563
>Literally essential for shock absorbtion and stress distribution. Loss of normal spinal curvature is disastrous.
As a mechanical engineer I know for a fact that both of these are cope. The spine is S-curved because humans used to be quadripedal. Evolution has not caught up with bipedal movement, which is why dislocated discs are so common, and why optimized humanoid robots have straight spines
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Anonymous
7/1/2025, 9:13:25 PM No.16712762
>>16712643
>Swear on something of great value to you, like your parents or something.
The Bible (and most religions) forbids swearing oaths, emphasizing that honesty should be demonstrated through simple "yes" or "no" answers.
>And? It doesn't change that following hunger unconditionally like an animal would is not something to be done.
It does actually because the circumstance is very unique. If it weren't, you wouldn't have had to use the modern developed world specifically. Whereas the wisdom of living in a manner so that you never needed a doctor has been universal.
>You mean mistakes? Yeah those happen, in every field.
All of which you can avoid entirely by eliminating the need for doctors altogether. Why risk your life when you don't have to? Or maybe you want to be a statistic.
>Are not doctors, don't move the goalposts. What is this bad advice you're getting from doctors that makes things worse?
No goalposts were moved. The fact that you think it was just reveals your ignorance on the matter. Doctors have, unfortunately, been trained in pharmacology over physiology. They're essentially the middlemen for large pharma.
>Anon doctors will also tell you that an apple a day keeps them away.
Are you obtuse? I pointed out the gist of the proverb was in how superfluous medicine becomes when a person is living healthily, with the reference to an apple being incidental.
>You should probably learn what a surgery is before making broad statements about it.
An honest mistake. But you're nitpicking at this point. The fact that doctors always recommend a lifestyle change to heart attack survivors just elucidates my point further, i.e., living a healthy life renders most of modern medicine irrelevant with a few exceptions.
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Anonymous
7/1/2025, 9:15:34 PM No.16712770
>>16712762
>Doctors have, unfortunately, been trained in pharmacology over physiology. They're essentially the middlemen for large pharma.
This is patently false, we literally teach ourselves pharmacology and dosing on the job for everything but the most basic drugs. Medical school is all about physiology and understanding the systems of the body - so that no matter what drug comes out in the future, we can fit our understanding of its pharmacological mechanism into our in-depth understanding of the human body.
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Anonymous
7/1/2025, 9:33:43 PM No.16712812
>>16712770
How do I grow a bigger penis doc? No negative side effects
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Anonymous
7/1/2025, 9:34:29 PM No.16712814
>>16712812
Lose weight, your penis will look bigger
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Anonymous
7/1/2025, 9:35:24 PM No.16712818
>>16712770
>>16712812
Modern problems require modern solutions right? Diets and environment changed, so wisdom teeth need to be pulled out.
Well now porn and niggers are ubiquitous, and women unfortunate have rights, so my penis needs to be bigger.
>>16712814
I'm at 15% bodyfat already and cutting.
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Anonymous
7/1/2025, 9:43:20 PM No.16712829
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>>16712818
Good job, keep it up
Anonymous
7/1/2025, 9:50:37 PM No.16712841
>>16712770
Doctors start out learning physiology but then get indoctrinated into pharmacology, and eventually knowledge of the latter supersedes the former. Rather than being an extension of their physiological knowledge, drugs become the root of it.
Even the little physiology they learn is rudimentary. Big pharma pours millions into medical schools for a reason.
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Anonymous
7/1/2025, 10:03:32 PM No.16712864
>>16712618
Come to think of it, are there any grand conspiracies for the other branches of science on par with what Big Pharma is to medicine?
Anonymous
7/1/2025, 10:15:35 PM No.16712886
>>16712688
Dislocated discs are common due to a combination of age-related degeneration and lifestyle factors (poor posture, heavy lifting, and sedentary lifestyle).
Anonymous
7/1/2025, 10:29:55 PM No.16712909
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>>16712841
>get indoctrinated into pharmacology
What does this even mean? Is there a phase in my training where I was strapped to a chair with a TV screen showing a spiral while a pharma rep crooned into my ear about how I need to push the most expensive drug possible? Because all I remember is every attending in my training prescribing generics if at all, or telling patients to buy over the counter braces, etc.

Medications and especially interventions are for cases where diet and exercise have not worked or can't fix the underlying problem acutely. The body is ultimately able to take care of itself mostly fine - but medical and surgical interventions focus on assisting the body where possible.
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Anonymous
7/1/2025, 10:31:45 PM No.16712912
>Big pharma pours millions into medical schools
If this was actually true, med school would be way more full of pushing pharm and probably fully funded to encourage the best and brightest to fully sign up as Frontline soldiers for the pharma lobby. In reality, big wellness is a larger industry
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Anonymous
7/1/2025, 10:32:59 PM No.16712915
>>16712629
>arbitrarily high goalpost
Why can't that be the modern standard? Our World in Data for example is getting up there.

>>16712629
>https://www.gastrojournal.org/article/S0016-5085(23)04776-5/fulltext
That's useful and demonstrates a lot that I don't know how to interpret yet. For example: if dysregulation of the immune system is to be viewed as entropic then how come incidence declines with age? The hypothesis that genes are not evolved for longevity and therefore incidence typically occurs between 20 and 30 years old is not entirely consistent with such data as well.

>Your hypotheses were discussed in the first link I posted.
No it doesn't. The article only superficially mentioned a few risk factors without any nuance that authors of such studies have demonstrated. For example: it's popular to mention anti-biotics as a risk factor for auto-immune disease, but anti-biotics are a chicken-and-egg story: rather than disturbing the immune system and specifically the intestines, the necessity of anti-biotics in early childhood may indicate an already compromised immune system. There's almost no discussion to be found between the overreaction hypothesis and the deficiency hypothesis.

Did you not notice by the way how popular talking about leaky gut is nowadays? It's like just about everyone has increased gut permeability. Studies show that even a few weeks of drinking a little alcohol compromises the mucosal barrier. Yet out of all the people with increased gut permeability only a few people develop chronic inflammation. To make myself clear: this is like pointing out anxiety around girls and pretending like that's a significant risk factor for being a forever alone sexless male.

>Your post is retarded specifically because you assume no "fundamental research" is being conducted.
Type "crohn" in the search bar of PubMed, filter most recent and see what happens. I'll demonstrate in a follow-up post.
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Anonymous
7/1/2025, 10:54:16 PM No.16712942
>>16712915
Now to follow-up the PubMed search filtered. with most recent to show how much science is lacking in fundamental research.
>Editorial: Current trends and future management of IBD, volume II
No fundamental updates just new risk factors to be used as bio markers for therapeutic intervention.
>Fecal Calprotectin and C-Reactive Protein Association With Histologic and Endoscopic Endpoints in Mirikizumab-Treated Patients With Ulcerative Colitis
It's been many decades since we've learned that calprotectin is and CRP isn't a reliable inflammation marker for IBD. It's a bullshit waste of resources to demonstrate that yet again. Fuck thresholds nobody cares any decent doctor is going colonoscopic on yo ass when calprotectin is higher than normal for you as an individual patient.
>Children With Inflammatory Bowel Diseases are Disadvantaged by Current Drug Approval Policies: A Call for Urgent Change
More bullshit. Not even going to elaborate on this.
>Pharmacoepigenetic Biomarkers in Inflammatory Bowel Diseases: A Narrative Review
Again it's about money not fundamental causes. More bullshit.
>Anti-Inflammatory Peptides as Promising Therapeutics Agent Against Inflammatory Bowel Diseases: A Systematic Review
Another way to inhibit TNF. We've already got infliximab remember? Morons.
>A Randomized Double-Blind, Placebo-Controlled Trial of Artesunate and Curcumin in Patients With Crohn's Disease: A Pilot Study
More bullshit drugs. They don't tell you that anti-leukemia drugs used for IBD don't work for long because guess what: they cause anemia of red and white blood cells.

You see each article down the list is bullshit, more bullshit and absolute horseshit.
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Anonymous
7/1/2025, 11:20:07 PM No.16712959
>>16712909
>Is there a phase in my training where I was strapped to a chair with a TV screen showing a spiral while a pharma rep crooned into my ear about how I need to push the most expensive drug possible?
No need for such melodrama. They do it subtly. Pharma companies even write the education courses that doctors need to stay licensed. The entire ecosystem of medicine is soaked in their influence, and most of it is invisible. You may even think you're acting in good faith when you're being used. And even generic drugs bring them money, even if it is dwarfed by that of the name brands.
>Medications and especially interventions are for cases where diet and exercise have not worked or can't fix the underlying problem acutely
And how will you know what diet to recommend when you're so woefully ignorant? Most doctors receive little training in nutrition to begin with during medical training. Twenty hours total, or less than one percent in med school.
>The body is ultimately able to take care of itself mostly fine - but medical and surgical interventions focus on assisting the body where possible.
Agreed.
>>16712912
>If this was actually true
It's not a matter of "if'. It isn't even a conspiracy at this point, but a well-known fact.
Anonymous
7/1/2025, 11:24:43 PM No.16712965
>>16712915
>Why can't that be the modern standard?
Because research takes time to produce and anyone with a brain can tell you epidemiology data from shitholes isn't going to be reliable.

>The article only superficially mentioned a few risk factors without any nuance that authors of such studies have demonstrated
>Did you not notice by the way how popular talking about leaky gut is nowadays?
These really get to the core of the point here. Your issue isn't even really with the research being done, as you suggest, but how it's being communicated to laymen.
I agree there's problems with science communication. Go on /pol/ in any of the cyclical Out of Africa spam threads and you'll see every time that people repost articles saying "Out of Africa Debunked" and the article doesn't actually do anything to debunk the theory.

That said, just because journos are click-starved faggots doesn't mean real research isn't being done and real discoveries aren't being made.

>>16712942
Obviously therapeutic intervention and drugs are going to be more common topics of research than "fundamentals" because doctors are mostly interested in helping people get better.just because you can get to the "root cause" of something doesn't mean you have a cure. Managing symptoms means actually improving lives.
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Anonymous
7/2/2025, 12:12:39 AM No.16713025
>>16712965
>Because research takes time to produce
No I mean governments world wide can agree on a policy that forces all health care institutions to register their data in a central database. So the moment a diagnosis is made the central database gets updated.

>I agree there's problems with science communication.
So it's true that real researchers are too busy with actual research to write books and appear in public? If true then we have another kind of problem with science: mystification like only a select few priests know how to read the bible and keep the true meaning of the word to themselves. Is there a way to gain this secret knowledge other than going back to school and get hired as a researcher?

>because doctors are mostly interested in helping people get better
I've noticed and it baffles me. It took me a long time to come to the realization that doctors are not scientists at heart. it's remarkable that doctors still enjoy high status while performing a mostly operational kind of role rather than a strategic role.
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Anonymous
7/2/2025, 12:18:12 AM No.16713032
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>>16710171 (OP)
modern science only exists as an instrument of capital it's not some promethean torch or divining rod that gives us access to an ostensible 'reality' it's just an epistemic community where the truth criteria are based on justifications relative to that community and relative to the body of facts it already accepts and relative to the availability of evidence, the answerability to alternative explanations, the uniformity of assumptions etc... outside of being essentially a social function there are no 'facts' or truths and the scientific forms of these are just one way of doing inquiry... life is simply the flow of blood the twitching of the organism in a variety of ways and what qualifies as truth for that organism is determined concretely by its material and social conditions, its wants and needs, its specific priorities... when god ruled over europe, only the science of god mattered, when god was dethroned, the science of man made the most sense... but to study the transformation of consciousness through its various stages is the only pure form of inquiry, this is what it means to be a student of phenomenology
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 12:26:10 AM No.16713040
>>16713025
mystification like only a select few priests know how to read the bible and keep the true meaning of the word to themselves.
NTA. After reading this board for a while, I wholly agree with this approach. 99.99% of the masses don't possess the intellectual qualities to properly understand and apply modern sciences. They're mostly Dunning Kruger midwits who will never know what's good for them. We must return to elitism+mysticism and treat scientists and researchers as priests and shamans in order to advance civilization. The masses need to be kept in the dark and distracted by other things.
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 12:30:52 AM No.16713042
>>16710171 (OP)
Is the community a big fucking joke? Yes it is. Is it bordering on a scam? Yes kinda.

But is making a fire a scam? Or a joke?
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Anonymous
7/2/2025, 12:34:46 AM No.16713046
>>16713025
>governments world wide can agree on a policy that forces all health care institutions to register their data in a central database
Not a terrible idea. But the hurdles to doing that are, ofc, more political than scientific.

>If true then we have another kind of problem with science: mystification like only a select few priests know how to read the bible and keep the true meaning of the word to themselves.
Some do a better job communicating this stuff than others. The bigger problem is with the general public. A lot of people regurgitate headlines without reading the article and come away with a retarded impression of what actually goes on with scientific research.
It's not like the researchers are gatekeeping anything. They just suck balls at communicating their findings to the general public because they're mostly autists whose fixation happens to be their field of specialization.

>Is there a way to gain this secret knowledge other than going back to school and get hired as a researcher?
First step: learn the basic fundamentals. Avoid anything remotely "cutting edge" until you have a firm grip on what the standard interpretation is.
Focus particularly on building your vocabulary. Words can have very specific and nuanced meanings in a given context. Big words don't exist just to make the speaker sound smart. If you're not sure what a word means, the thing you're reading is probably beyond your level for the time being.

Final bit of advice: if "the experts" say something that doesn't seem to make sense and some guy on YouTube says something that sounds like it makes more sense, the first possibility you should work to rule out is "the expert has some bit of knowledge/understanding that you and the YouTube guy are missing."
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 1:34:21 AM No.16713094
>>16713042
>But is making a fire a scam? Or a joke?
What do you mean?