Trust the Plan - edition

previous >>16715931

Remember elon musk’s melt down?

damn this thread is quiet today.

We're never getting off this rock. The competency crisis will see to that.

fuck you

>>16715995 (OP)
Musk is fully moved to the next grift(new party) He doesn't care about space anymore.

I will be well-behaved and try to focus on man’s quest for flight in space

fuck you

>>16715995 (OP)
I hope this piece of shit to die in a heart attack.

>>16715995 (OP)
Is this thread even legitim? It seems like OP made this thread at page 9 and waited then made a staging post 20 minutes after another one staged with a thread that were made at page 10.

>>16717526
Also OP seemed to push the actual /sfg/ thread out, so fast that no one were able to make a staging.

>>16717526
Oh look, it's that jackass who illegally staged AFTER this thread was made.

>just a bunch of shit posting and squabbling
/sfg/ should be tabled until the next starship launch is imminent.

>>16717528
Why it took you so long to make the staging post? 1-3 minutes might be normal but not 20 minutes. Also the other thread maker were faster than you to complete ALL tasks for a following /sfg/ thread.

>>16717528
You should be grateful. Some kid-diddler got in there and screeched about the BBB and cancellation of NASA's DEI for ten thousand posts.
The rest of us were trying to talk about SSTOs and building a ring around Earth.
I think it was the solar-tard from two threads back. He's off his meds.

>>16716718
>We're never getting off this rock.
You've gotta have faith.

>>16717541
OF THE HEART

https://x.com/spacesudoer/status/1941838186616926257

>>16717552
>America first
Someone tell elon he’s making the same mistake as colombus, confusing ‘americans’ with indians

>>16717535
This, not making a staging post is like not relighting your engines

>>16717559
>Someone tell elon he’s making the same mistake as colombus, confusing ‘americans’ with indians
Kek!

China has mere months left. They are collapsing fast. Global spaceflight budgets will fall off a cliff once China disappears and there's no competition. It's so over

fight for her

>>16717606
fix her first t. musk

>>16717612
>I can save her

Rememebr back when everyone though that all of Musks ventures were part of some great scheme to get to Mars? LMAO

I remember high-effort posters who informed other anons about happenings in spaceflight, rather than shitpost stale bait in desperate hopes of getting some pity (you)s.

Remember when people wouald actually @ each other in the traditional 4chan format instead of just replying into the void?

I miss the faux optimism when people beleived that the Musk-Trump presidency would hail a golden-age in spaceflight.

>>16717635
>faux optimism
MIGA subhumans really believed that, and now they'll get what they deserve, hopefully
we're all dying on this planet

Just for completeness.
previous >>16716021

Humans cant actually destroy the planet, wtf you gonna do nuke it? Yeah try a million warheads maybe and thats just for 40 years

>>16717621
The Boring Company was thought to be part of that scheme in that it could build underground habitats and transit system on Mars. What are they up to now? Pretty much every one of their projects beside the completed Vegas project have been cancelled. They have one maybe still on the books for a tunnel in Boca Chica to let them bypass some of the roads that they often need to close. But even that's only conceptual.

>>16717639
While there are a few fringe alarmists who believe that can happen, most don't literally mean destroy the actual planet itself but rather make it incapable of sustaining humans and other higher lifeforms. Even the "we're turning Earth into Venus" folks would concede the possibility of microscopic life like that around thermal vents.

>>16717639
I think Musk fears that the level of civilisation we have now is very fragile and not guaranteed, he believes we can be stuck in a low level tech Earth and never be able to have the level of civilisations to be able to colonize Mars again. I don't really agree with him but I believe that this is what he believes. Or maybe he is just fearmongering because he really wants to go to Mars and think that way he get more people on his side.

>>16717640
they prolly never made any money with their gimmicky shit since the "cost" of boring has never been in the actual digging

>>16717641
Extremophiles will always thrive. I wouldn’t be surprised if there are deep-core organisms in martian rock, where the deep water table encourages the serpentinization of mafic minerals and the bioavailability of the reduced environment

>>16715995 (OP)
What is your favourite telescope?

>>16717644
He's getting old and has had some health scares. Lots of people lose their youthful optimism and turn doomer at that point in life. The regulatory harassment during the Biden administration, combined with the pandemic shutdowns, also scared him into thinking he's running out of time if a path isn't cleared out for him and his goals.
>hur dur, hous du yus read dis mine?
It's called not being autistic and using reasonable inference. Just getting ahead of the way too predictable response that always gets trolled here.

>>16717652
https://elt.eso.org/about/webcams/

>>16717652
Assuming getting it to the location is not an issue, what is the best place in the solar system for a space based telescope?

>>16717652
TMT has been cancelled. All funding will go to the GMT instead. You do not hate religious subhumans enough.

>>16717652
Galaxy cluster WHL0137-08 and the natural gravitational superlens

LAUNCH

>>16717658
Here. I wonder when we will be able to semi-industrialize a 1000 AU far away asteroid to mass produce space telescopes and use them for solar gravitational lenses.

happy birthday, Clear

clear is a man

>>16717674
honest atomic explosive

>>16717670
what if oort clouds are common for stars? what if interstellar space isnt mostly empty but filled with icy bodies?

>>16717677
Maybe there is so much mass in the interstellar space that you don't need dark matter anymore for explaining the rotation speed of the Milky Way.

the whole oort cloud is a tiny % of overall mass
the moon itself is more mass than the whole thing

>>16717677
It just makes sense that solar systems occasionally shed rocks and other debris into interstellar space, there should be lots of stuff out there, rogue worlds too.

>>16717606
him*

>>16717606
For me, it's Ganymede

>>16717686
No doubt there's random bits of this and that in interstellar space but that space is so insanely large, that the amount might as well be zero.

>>16717696
That's a fucking deep ocean. We should seed it with chinook salmon.

>>16717705
It’s all relative, I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s a lot of shared material between the Sun and the next 10, 15-ish closest Stars. Isn’t our area to the milky way pretty packed? I believe a good “average” for interstellar space is given as 1 atom of hydrogen per every cubic meter. I’m sure it’s more than that even in the emptiest parts between here and proxima, for example

>>16717711
> Isn’t our area to the milky way pretty packed?
Well, like you said, it's relative. The eventual collision of the Milky War and Andromeda is expected to be pretty uneventful because both are so sparse.

>>16717677
It seems certain to me that there are more planet mass objects between stars than around them. The smaller a star is the more common it is, this is almsot certainly true for objects below star mass.

>>16717711
>1 atom of hydrogen per every cubic meter. I’m sure it’s more than that even in the emptiest parts between here and proxima, for example
Oh no no, how do we ever expect to achieve near-LS interstellar flight?

Can someone explain what the purpose of NASA banning working with the CNSA is, when they're quite happy to continue their collaboration with Pockocmoc?

>>16717732
The stereotype of russians being dumb and mischievous is somewhat true.
The stereotype of a Chinaman being a stealer a swindler a backstabber and a cheat is absolutely true.

All Elon shills must be purged from /sfg/.

I have devised a true Martian calendar system for human utilisation on Mars.

How do I submit it to Elon?

>>16717761

dead threat
dead industry
dead future

>>16717682
You've read bad information, the mass is somewhere between that of Earth, and Jupiter.

>>16717761
Why would he care?

Where did it all go wrong?

my morale has literally never been lower.

>>16717789
Go outside dumdum, it's summer.

bros....
https://images-assets.nasa.gov/image/KSC-20250529-PH-CSH01_0031/KSC-20250529-PH-CSH01_0031~orig.jpg

Is Kepler-452b the final destination for humanity?

>>16717793
What is it?

>>16717796
earth is the final destination for humanity.

>>16717796
>1402LY distant
We'll never ever go there, not even a robot probe.

>>16717796
>G2V
>1 AU
>5 Earth masses
That thing is a giant supervolcano shrouded in CO2 and SO2 denser than iron. It'll be less habitable than Venus.

>>16717799
We will one day, just not from Earth. We will go to Alpha/Proxima first. Then from there, another star. Then another star, until we reach this Eden planet. We shall use the stars as stepping stones to reach our ultimate prize as a payoff for thousands and thousands of years of effort. The zenith of human achievement. It's there, waiting for us.

Are superhabitable planets as a whole a meme?

>>16717804
we have not discovered a single habitable planet, let alone a superhabitable one.

>>16717802
The singularity will happen long before we're able to do interstellar travel, and humanity will be dust. Our artificial descendants, perhaps.

>>16717793
Simp.

>>16717396
whby dont they shut down all booster engines during the hot staging?

>>16717742

One more explosion should make even the most devout member of the Elon snake cult wake up.

>>16717799
We will colonize interstellar objects and rouge planets to spread in the Milky Way.

>>16717813
?
because they have to restart 2 seconds later?

>>16717815
this

>>16717652

The giant one that was successfully killed by fake Hawaiians and middle aged white women who do nothing but complain.

>>16717817
>200 million people living on pluto
Why do people keep doing this cope. We will NOT colonise anything past Mars. We MAY have some outposts on Ceres and Callisto but anything beyond that is PROBES ONLY. After Mars, we are going to Alpha Centauri, because there is NOWHERE ELSE TO GO. Idiot.

>>16717818
Why the fuck do browns hate anything that isn't unga bunga rock and stick smashing?

>>16717822
>We will NOT colonise anything past Mars
I don't recall putting you in charge, anon.
Mankind will go wherever he wants, and he'll do plenty well when he gets there.

>>16717813
Because they don't want the booster to significantly decelerate as 1) that would unsettle the prop and cause the engines to suck up air when they restart and 2) that is velocity they have to burn more prop to recover.

https://x.com/CSI_Starbase/status/1941905779205742958
>We previously observed a few of the clamps being removed, but were unable to confirm if it was for typical refurbishment.
>Thanks to @RGVaerialphotos we can now confirm they have all been removed. Its now pretty clear that the Ship Ring Wall Stand will be integrated onto the hold down clamps afterall . Hopefully something is done to protect the Raptor QD's

>>16717827
>1) that would unsettle the prop and cause the engines to suck up air when they restart and 2) that is velocity they have to burn more prop to recover.
that makes absolutely no sense to me

the booster is moving at what? 6km/s? and the booster wants to boost back to the launch site so it needs to lose velocity anyways. so losing a few m/s should be insignificant

>>16717761
u sum kina hacka muthafuka?

>>16717656
Wow. I didn't realise they were already putting the doors on it. It looks more like stadium than a telescope, it's just crazy.

>>16717660
>>16717818
TMT hasn't officially been cancelled, yet. They are still (unbelievably) fighting it in the courts. Had they given up and gone to the Canary Islands years ago think where they would be. Apparently China has withdrawn, and is apparently building their own 14.5 meter. TMT still has a lot more of the money needed compared to GMT, which is much more broke. Both needed big investment from the US NSF, and so they put together a joint proposal. That was ranked top in the decadal, but then it turned out NSF didn't have money to complete both. So there was some a study to bring some clarity, which failed to pick a winner. Now the Trump admin is threatening to massively cut NSF funding, the finding bill would direct NSF to pick GMT. But if the cuts go through, it won't be enough to complete the telescope. And not they cannot just take all the funding from TMT, a lot of it has been spent building hardware and they would have to totally renegotiate the time allocation. It's just a cacophony of dithering, delay and indecision. I was at a talk by a very senior US astronomer, who predicted both GMT and TMT were doomed under the current funding situation. And then you watch the Europeans, with their shit together building something better on time. If US astronomers are lucky, they will get a fraction of the time on the worst of the three projects, sometime in the future.

>>16717838

> hasn't been cancelled

Anon....

> “the TMT will not advance to the Final Design Phase and will not receive additional commitment of funds from NSF”.

>>16717828

"Here's Mars Guy pointing and laughing for scale."

>>16717847
The US government currently has a 0% stake in it. They cannot cancel it. It is up to the partners who actually invested (Caltec, UC, Canda, Japan, formerly China).

>>16717857
>>16717857
https://www.tmt.org/news/692

>TIO Response to NSF FY 2026 Budget Request to Congress

>This moment calls for leaders to recognize the strategic importance of TMT to blaze a trail to the next frontiers of science, via next-generation technology innovation, a Pacific Rim partnership, and unique access to the Northern Hemisphere sky.

>We remain firmly committed to finding a path forward for TMT.

>We can imagine a future in which NSF participation in the TMT would open opportunities for significant discovery to the entire U.S. science community, and welcome further conversations to make this a reality.

>>16717857

Anon, without Federal money from the NSF it's dead.

>>16717828
Someone translate this into English? Why the sad face? Static fire soon?

>>16717765
So Perseverance Day will be on March 12, and Opportunity Day on February 17. What about Spirit and Curiosity? How will Martians deal with national holidays coming around once every two (Terran) years rather than every (Terran) year? Will they use Terran years as a measurement of age rather than Martian years?

>>16717804
Any planet without joos or indians should be considered superhabitable hahah

>>16717865
Realistically, probably. But it would be premature to cancel the whole project because of one budget. They waited 10 years to get the better site. They've been left waiting for the NSF for 15 years. The previous decadal wanted to have NSF invest from 2010, but LSST/Rubin ate all the money. They weathered that decade. I suspect they will go into stasis and attempt to find the money later.

> MFW No TMT Sweetie

The future looks bleak

https://x.com/kunley_drukpa/status/1941903529347563904

You had it too good while it lasted
Space exploration now belongs to the Big Classified Compartmentalized Military Space Force cock
No more Shuttles and public telescope slop, you are not in the know any longer you dumb golems
We are the masters of knowledge and information, not you. We do not share our secrets with the cattle workers.
You will be born, live, work, and die under the star that we command, never to leave this slave cattle work planet. That is only for us chosen people to live among the stars, not the cattle.
For all eternity

>>16717884
>Aloha TMT
Doesn't aloha mean both hello and goodbye?
Like, both sides could use that sign.

>>16717888
He's no Ross Perot and can't even run himself. Mark Cuban is already trying to infiltrate. This will be the biggest nothing burger since the Impossible Whopper.

>>16717893
Yes, it's a bit confusing. Not sure if the two of them are in agreement or showing that they can disagree and still get along.

The stars are only for the rich like Katy Perry and Jeff Bexos, those chosen by the freemasons in the government and handed the keys to power and wealth, not you dumb golem
Be thankful we even allow you to look at old hand me down censored telescope photos that we have had a dozen of for 20 years already.
And say "thank You" for the privilege of us chosen people even casually bushing our scientific secret knowledge crumbs and table scraps, that we lord over you as kings to servants, masters to slaves, down to you on the floor goyim doggies

>>16717894

If Elon really cared, he'd run for the Senate or House. America Sharty is just more Elon ADD.

>>16717900
>>16717894
It's SOOOOOO predictable that they will flop in the midterms and next election. Yet Musk has found his new obsession and will just bankrupt himself playing politics.

why waste your time trying to build something in a western country? go invest in China for a telescope or something

>>16717902
elon would be dead in countries like russia and china. america is the only country where dreams can happen. its an anomaly. shitty countries are the norm and probably the real great filter.

>>16717902
bug forelegs typed this post

>>16717894
If the onions did not make me grow tits and produce more estrogen, I could eat the Impossible Whopper.
It tasted really good.
They cheated though and grilled them on the same grill that beef fat burgers were grilled on giving them oily beef fat flavor saute, in essence.
I could eat fake steaks if they tasted like steak and did not grow me a mangina.

>>16717874

The Decadal is just a kid's Xmas List to Santa. It's not a serious document.

As for "stasis", if some billionaire wants to pay a few dozen scientists and flacks to sit around doing dick which eating catered lunches, okay. But while they wait all that prep work done already just becomes more obsolete.

>>16717904
Greed is a cancer on a species this technologically advanced
I fear at this point not even solving all math and science would not convince them to turn from such a hideously jewish futuristic greedy desire
Look at Bill Gates, he just spent 500 million on a floating Cambodian child sex toy Jaba the hutt floating barge. 500 million for a fucking boat. 1 boat.
So did did BiXos.
Xis family stole billions already, so much for the Han spirit of merit....
Putin is unbearable.
Musk cant part with a single one of his magical fractional reserve FIAT wooden nickels
Carnegie who?

We are cooked because of this literally brown skinned mentality of shekel hoarding.
It kills us.
We do not survive when the very top of the pyramid is showing the very bottom that being greedy is the greatest way to live as a human being and you receive the greatest rewards from even the U.S. government for being a greedy monster.
We do not escape this earth.
The grateful golem slaves do not carry their superior rich hebrew masters to the stars and wave tears of joy as the abandon this shit hole.
Earth becomes our tomb
All of us, "rich" and poor alike, and it doesn't matter how much you rich elite hebrews cry boohoo tears
You caused this
Your horrid jewish monkey brown skinned sub saharan mentality of greed caused it
Take a fucking bow yall, put on your nice white gloves and your nice clean white apron, pat yourself on the masonic back for the "Great Work"

>>16717917
I'm sure you work for free

>>16717898
Tangential to your post but I'd much rather do a trip on the Vomit Comet than do a trip on Mr. Bezos' Wild Ride. The Vomit Comet looks like you have more room and time, even if lesser social media bragging rights.

so many losers crying that elon doesnt do what they want. why dont you do it yourself? elon doesnt owe you shit

>>16717927
humans owe it to each other to not be retards since we're all in this together

>>16717822
>>16717824
this

>>16717830
It's not about the Booster's velocity, it is about the Ship's velocity.

>>16717913
The top ranked missions are very serious. The reports gave the go ahead to Hubble, Chandra, Spitzer, JWST, LSST/Rubin, VLA, Gemini, SOFIA... The lower ranked ones typically don't happen before the next one. It's pretty pathetic now that the NSF cannot even afford the top item.

>But while they wait all that prep work done already just becomes more obsolete.
Very slowly. Until there are lots of ELTs, TMT is cutting edge. They can also cut corners by developing instruments sooner, and having them ready to go. But it's risky. When ELT comes online it will only have two instruments. It's also not unprecedented for telescopes to arrive late. Keck 1 was 1993, VLT, Gemini and Subaru weren't until 1999. There was lots of science left. They've apparently spent about 700 million. It would be painful to abandon it.

>>16717920
nta but poor people such as (you) have to work to have the means to survive. Once you have enough money to retire and live better than a king every single day of you life then shit is clearly different.

>>16717934

Every single unit of electronics was instantly obsolete the day it was sketched out. Now, even if it somehow got funding this Monday, and it got around locals saying no, it would be 20 years until first light. Using by then 40 year old designs.

In rocket terms, it's exactly like the idiotic program to make new build Saturn V engines for Shartymiss.

>>16717945
>In rocket terms, it's exactly like the idiotic program to make new build Saturn V engines for Shartymiss.
Rocketry has not seriouly advanced beyond Apollo. Those engines are still world class.
>but muh raptorrrr!
Fake numbers and doesn't even work.

>>16717945
Astronomy hardware doesn't become obsolete that quickly. It's not like consumer electronics.
>Every single unit of electronics was instantly obsolete the day it was sketched out.
Not how these design processes work. The fact it's stalled means the designs are being in flux. The design isn't even fixed now, it's certainly not 20 years old.
The age of the electronics doesn't matter, what matters is the instruments. The thing that progresses the fastest is detectors, these are easily changed in upgrades of existing instruments, maybe when an instrument is 10 years old. And new instruments are built every few years for big telescopes, to give better performance and new capabilities. It doesn't really matter how old a telescope is, what matters is how good the instruments are.
>it would be 20 years until first light.
No, it's further along than you expect. A huge fraction of the mirrors are already being polished. 10-12 years.

>>16717963

> The 40 year old CCD our spec calls for will be fine.

Great. Have fun playing with your imaginary telescope.

>>16717953

Raptor as an engine works surprisingly well. Hundreds have been launched and just werk.

Raptor as a system,: engine+mounting+bay+plumbing... that's having a few issues.

>>16717968
Maybe try reading before responding.

>>16717971

Why are you still posting? You won. TMT is the greatest telescope ever designed and is totally going to be built.

In fact, why don't you go down to Ace Hardware, buy an shovel. and get a plane ticket to Hawaii? You can help.

https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1941984815818936716

Yep, time for some Astrum kino while I fall asleep.

>>16717977
I use http://echoesofbluemars.org to sleep

Humans will see this in our lifetime, bros

>>16717970
4 words.
Ice - in - the - tanks.

If Raptor 3 doesn't fix this then it's truly over.

>>16717988
I believe humans are destined to colonize mars and that this will happen no matter what. I also believe elon just helped inadvertently kick that can down the road another 60, 70, 80 years (!) by being an autistic fool.

Yall don't seriously think we are going to make it to a peaceful space exploration of Mars do yall?
Yall know we are broke right?
The national dept is multiple tens of trillions of dollars negative. Red. In the hole.
As in we owe 35+ trillion dollars in debt, we have no money for space we are too busy providing welfare to the entire world.

https://x.com/RGVaerialphotos/status/1941994287060734027
>Massey's Ship Static Fire stand as seen on July 4, 2025

>>16718003
That'll buff right out.

>>16717983
I'm seeing it right now, so you're correct.

fuck you.

>>16717988
Alright. Enough time has passed where maybe both of them could understand why they are feuding. However, Trump still seems to think this is all about the E.V mandate, while Musk is clearly only talking about the debt. These two need to meet and talk one on one, so that there are no misunderstandings. Unfortunately, their busy schedules,stubbornness and yes men, will not allow this to happen. Sad.

spehs

>>16718003
Looks fine, stick a Starship on there.

>>16717983
Shitty deviantart work? Yes.

>>16717998
>to the entire world
You're providing that to yourself. You're a corpse of an empire that hasn't yet understood that the wriggling maggots feeding on you isn't your body moving.

>>16718027
>debt
Musk doesn't give a shit. That's a red herring. He's mad that he's not the shadow president like he thought he was going to be.

>>16717637
>we're all dying on this planet
That's what Musk wants. Trump is the only one directing money towards human spaceflight

>>16717680
This has been looked into but it doesn't work
>Massive Compact Halo Objects

>>16717822
Jupiter would be useful for harvesting power from the magnetosphere

>>16718050
Tidal energy power alone would be amazing if we had way better battery (energy storage) tech. Power plants would get free energy

>>16718050
>>16718053
How would you even go about doing this

Gas giants are the most USELESS bodies in existancce. They are too small to release energy (and eventually most of their mass) through fusion, yet are far too big to have any industry done on them. Material that falls into a gas giant is essentially lost forever.

>>16717806
The Singularity is already happening. It means "you can't predict what is coming next" and you certainly can't right now

>>16717799
This, most Kepler plants are totally inaccessible because it just took a deep field shot in one direction for maximum output. We've hardly begun to survey nearby stars.

>>16717761
Pretty sure Zubrin already solved this like 30 years ago

>>16718065
Facilities on Io harvesting power from the Io Plasma Torus
Maybe orbital stations with trailing conductive tethers could do it too

>>16717761
What makes you think Elon is interested in Mars?

>>16717680
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massive_compact_halo_object#Theoretical_considerations
Doesn't seem to work

>>16717974
Well he's not wrong

>>16718027
Trump knows it's not about the EV mandate, but he's saying that to try to both deflect from the debt stuff, and (perhaps) to make Elon's sperging seem logical so the the public doesn't become too disturbed at such a powerful man (Elon) going off the rails so abruptly.
Trump is frankly being very patient with Elon so far. He's noticeably not applying a derisive nickname to him yet.

>>16718080
Did he grow that big m?
or do you think he just bought it and posed with it?

>>16718042

https://usdebtclock.org/world-debt-clock.html

I have surpassed even the need to mention the pixelation of your skin pigmentation, nor the need to critique your eye shape, nasal cartilage protrusion, height, penile length, nor the scientific accomplishments involved in your genetic sphere of influence.

I do not just stand above all humanity at this moment intellectually, but also morally as well as philosophically.

P.S. This is a mental trap that you would walk into by attempting to even begin to debate me. The smartest course of action is to post an image, not even a reaction image, just an image, and nod in respectful recognition of my superiority.

Is it over?

>>16717606
Looks like your grandmother's ass

>>16717696
Ganymede's radiation is still too high, only on Callisto can you exist on the surface protected only by a transparent barrier and gaze at Jupiter.

>>16718099
is this a copypasta

>>16718110
The America Party? No it's just getting started

/sfg/ for years: fuuuuck yeahhh we going to colonize space nothing will stop us
/sfg/ now: you know what? space is stupid. lets focus on fixing the earth instead.

>>16717660
Polynesians should be removed from the Big Island and sent back to the Marquesas.
This island was gifted to humanity. Polynesians are not human. They have given up their right to be so considered.

>>16718112
ganymede should be shieldable though. big superconductive loop around its equator. barely even need to cool it where it's at.

>>16718144
This is all because that niglet of a CEO just had to get involved with the Epstein associate.

>>16718144

The last year of Elon tard hopping in the spotlight killed the Dream. SpaceX Next Big Thing is self destructing. Science NASA is dead. Graft Manned NASA is saved and swimming in Congress green pork grease.

We lost the rizz.

>>16718182
/sfg/ celebrated when Shelby retired, just for the world to become more Shelby than when Shelby was Shelbying.

>>16718146
Plasma loop is better

In the 7 years Elon has been fucking around with Shartship, he could have perfected second-stage reuse for F9

>>16718192
we could've had a 20 passenger dragon flying regularly on falcon heavy

>>16718192
trvth nvke

>>16718194
This would have been very possible. Even with an expendable second stage it's very reasonable

>>16718194
Reminder that we never got 7 person Dragon

>>16718202
Why have a seven-person dragon when we gave a 100-person starship

Blue origin redemption arc starts now

>>16718202
why are there so many windows

>>16718208
For keeping watch for xenos

>>16718206
Unironically the reason why nothing ever happened
>Why build reusable second stage, when you can use Starship instead?
>Why have Red Dragon, when you can have Starship?
>Why use Dragon for dearmoon, when you use Starship?
>Why use Falcon Heavy, use Starship instead?

>>16718207
anon they haven't even had an arc yet

>>16718207
No, Arca.

>>16718206

> we have a 100-person starship

May we see it?

>>16718212

2025

New Glenn: 1 successful launch of payload to the Moon
Starship: 3 catastrophic explosions and dozens of dead endangered sea turtles

>>16717559
>Vabihav Taneja
Off to a great start
>phone number listed is the Tesla customer service hotline
Get in, we're saving America!

>>16718217
Starship is real, you can see it down at the coincidentally named Starbase

>>16718226

Oh. Is it behind that pile of smoldering wreckage? Can't see it because of the clouds of toxic black smoke. Can you point to it?

>>16718224
It says something about Elon's level of disconnect. The left and right, blue collar and tech workers, are at this point all upset about mass immigration as a tool of the wealthy to push down wages. Elon, wealthy, constantly advocates for more immigration. It's the thing that everyone hates about both parties but where the experienced politicians hide it under "economic stimulation" or "helping poor browns", Elon just says go fuck yourself lazy faggot I need cheaper slaves. Best case he gets 1% of the vote and worst case he gets shot in a communist revolution he accidentally kicked off

>>16718224

> Vaibhav Taneja

A Tesla poop. Some American Party you got there.

>>16718224
Bleak

Yes elon please explain your entire plan to them, tell your enemies exactly what you plan to do you absolute gigabrain

>>16718233
Go FUCK yourself in the face

>>16718224
Fake

Thank you Elon, very cool

>>16718074
okay ice moon

>>16718241
Does he not understand that third party representatives are very rare and exist only because of the personal charisma of the candidate, and only in special situations?
He'll never be able to parachute in a whole bunch of stooges and have them win
He'll end up like Clive Palmer in Australia with his useless Palmer United Party. Billions spent, a candidate in every district, and a grand total of one wins (himself in the district of Fairfax)

A dozen posts and not one is related to space

>>16718263

Okay. Elon needs to stop being retarded and fix his exploding Mars bus.

follow the recipe called for a bakers dozen and you'll be set

>>16718258
>one mistake and I pay another han $2k for a new charecter

Elon should've stuck with shitposting about anime.

>>16718258
Bruh he is STILL doing this??? He has fully fucking lost it. I’m going to learn mandarin.

I hate this fat autistic retard so fucking much bros he just had one job

ONE JOB

do you guys think that working on a submarine as an electrician would qualify you to work on mars within our lifetimes?

Let’s be honest, America was never going to last the 30+ years it was going to take to do this whole mars thing anyway.

>>16718277
Depends if you can survive the end stage empires final lashing out war in an underwater pressure vessel maintained by Indians but yes it would be a good qualifier.

come back here you bitch

>>16718144
>sfg is one person

I was more interested in Starship being a cheap, reliable orbital transport with which an enormous Mars ship could be built
But it looks like we aren't even getting that

>>16718302
beggars can't be choosers

>>16718258
What an ass kisser

>>16718305
I hate Ian so much

>Rotating Detonation Engines
Are these a meme?

>>16718307
Yes it’s just a lot of extra complication to try and squeeze blood from a stone.

>>16718211
>Why build reusable second stage, when you can use Starship instead?

Falcon is too small of a rocket to have a reusable second stage with a meaningful payload. Look at how big Stokes rocket is and look at how small their projected payloads actually are.

>Why have Red Dragon, when you can have Starship?

Setting aside NASA cockblocking it.

>Why use Dragon for dearmoon, when you use Starship?

Dragon can't do Lunar reentry speeds.

>Why use Falcon Heavy, use Starship instead?

Falcon Heavy is just a high energy Falcon 9, it can't actually lift more without a new second stage.

https://x.com/heydave7/status/1942001391498592548
>I would be livid if I was Elon. Imagine you go all-in, receive tons of death threats, your companies are under fire, but you keep your head on the mission to cut costs thinking you’re doing your part to save our country. You bring in the best and brightest young minds, convincing them even though they get death threats too. You make big progress, toiling every day, 16+ hour work days, never complaining. You convince yourself it’s worth it because you love the country and want a better future. Then, all your work is thrown out the window by some spending bill that increases the deficit and raises the debt ceiling by $5 trillion. And then you find out in 2 years they are going to need to raise the debt ceiling again because $5 trillion is going to be added to the federal debt over the next 2 years. Then the President says you’re “off the rails” and a “train wreck”. And you have to bite your tongue because how do you reply to that. You can’t make up this stuff.

>>16718322
I would have very much sympathy if his platform wasn’t “import India” and he told me to fuck myself in the face because I don’t want millions of Indians shitting on my lawn.

>>16718316

> Dragon can't do Lunar reentry speeds.

Starship doesn't seem to be doing so great with Earth ballistic arc reentry speeds. Actually, on the last one, just sitting there not doing anything reentry speed was a bit of a challenge.

>>16718327
Why wear your ignorance like a badge of honor?

>>16718322
>Then the president says you're "off the rails"
Gee, I wonder why? Maybe there was some statement, made by Musk, that this guy is completely ignoring.

I'm just looking forward to the next static fire obliterating the entire launch site so we can put this idiotic starship program behind us

>>16718336
It's not going to explode

>>16718337
The ship will fall over and blast horizontally along the ground, directly into the starbase main facility

>>16717547
I wonder if NASA has any plans for the Apollo 11 anniversary

>>16718275
>I’m going to learn mandarin
What does this have to do with the rest of the statement?

Is all this negativity some sort of a coping mechanism? I've seen something similar is various video game generals.

>>16717761
Did you account for the relativistic time difference between Earth and Mars (which orbits slower)?

>>16718355
just terminally online zoomers who can only exist in 'its over' or 'were so back' mode

>>16718359
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRgB1I3HNYg

>>16718338
This gave me a boner

>>16718357
GR is Jewish nonsense

>>16717696
>Ganymede
>named after a raped twink
Nigga u gay

>>16717802
> le habitable planet meme
Any interstellar colonizers will be living in spinhabs, deal with it

>>16717838
European telescopic supremacy

>>16718354
Because the only nation with the material and financial resources plus a political will to perform our dream, is China.

>>16718412
Our dream? My dream doesn't involve living in a dictatorship surveillance state where the only things less valuable than human life are construction materials and gutter oil.

>>16718406
This but unironically.

>>16718417
But that’s the world you are going to live in under the Peter Thiel Palantir slave state anyway, sorry goy. At least the Chinese use cameras to catch actual criminals.

>>16718418
Whycome Mercury be precessin n shieet if no jewgravity?

>>16718421
>because big orbs move in a certain pattern, my Jewish nonsense that can’t explain how the rest of the universe works and relies on unobservable, imaginary particles, is totally real

>>16718423
Relatively doesn't have any special particles

>>16718423
Why do clocks run slower at higher altitudes n shieeet

>>16718423
All models be ultimately failin' but some models be useful nigga frfr. Yall aint said shieet

Dumping some of my science shit

You don't understand thermodynamics if you can't explain how steam injectors are possible

>>16718439
Thermodynamics is angloid trickery

>>16717909
Never tried the impossible whopper but i did try the one from A&W and it was gross, didn't taste like beef and was off puttingly soft, which before this I didn't even know could be problem.

>>16718443
Carnot was a Frenchy, Clausius and Boltzmann were krauts

>>16718305
This ugly NIGGER has personally set humanity back half a century with his ass kissing

>>16718445
they were crypto anglos

>>16718241
Reminds me of when George Soros went on twitter and explained he would employ CIA agents abroad in exchange for the full might of the US helping him steal various mines and factories abroad. If only we had paid attention to his twitter he wouldn't have so much influence over the US
>>16718258
>can't pay rent
>can't find a job
>looking for someone else to vote for
>see the richest man on earth buying video game accounts
>keep looking

At least post spaceflight nigger

Not exactly spaceflight but related

>>16718458

>>16718458
>he says while posting a picture of a bomb

Elon uses laugh emojis like a sitcom uses a laugh track. Ghastly.

>>16718192
hes been fucking around with starship for well over a decade. it only came public in 2016.

>>16718322
Made your own bed, now sleep in it. I have no sympathy

Why is this written like grok accidentally pasted what someone told it to say...

>>16718470
Grok is probably just copy pasting an elon tweet

Failing upwards and then that momentum stalls and stops because of your neglect and autism

>>16718475
>Deny knowing GM beyond a photobomb

>>16718417
>My dream doesn't involve living in a dictatorship surveillance state where the only things less valuable than human life are construction materials and gutter oil.
Too bad, because that's what you live in already. I'll take the based nationalist dictatorship surveillance state over the zogged faux-democracy dictatorship surveillance state any day.

>>16718424
Particles aren't real. They are a theoretical construct.

>>16718251
Doesn't matter because the Indian is CTO of Tesla, something that almost no one knew before now, but now is widely known because the kneejerkers trying to defend Musk thought it somehow was a good defense. Someone was playing 7D Intergalactic Parcheesi and won.

>>16718285
While there's hardly been enough interstellar items to suggest a pattern, I do wonder if we are entering a part of the local universe that does have more random bits roaming around.

>>16718484
They are real in my mind.

>>16718285
It's the most obvious thing in the world that this is an alen spacecraft. it was clearly sent because they detected human robotic presence on NSC32-81 ir as we call it Mars.

What is the evidence to suggest that dark matter is not just a massive abundance of small objects, far more than our models predict?
If interstellar space is teeming with mass then wouldnt that acount for the phantom gravity?

>>16718507
You run the numbers and it can't be dust, gravel, boulders etc. It has to be exotic

>>16718285
>interstellar flybys this close to the sun are this common
The dino killers were definitely from interstellar space, right? Makes me wonder if they were smaller and faster than previously predicted
>>16718510
Or something that's a constant when measured from Earth is actually a variable

>>16718507
That mass would be present in other observable galaxies between stars and present itself with more gravitational lensing, which we don’t observe

For a somewhat above average but nowhere near genius level normie, would going to Space Force route be a better path to a career in the industry than trying to break into an aerospace related company straight out of college? Someone around 110ish IQ, not the type of person who poops out advanced math each time he goes to toilet.

Over status: It's

>>16718519
>The dino killers were definitely from interstellar space, right?
No reason to believe it likely, let alone definite

>>16718525
Space Force is basically the space shit that the Air Force used to do. Nothing exciting with roggets or the like

>but muh space force!!1!
Shut the fuck up. Worst era of spaceflight yet. Cant believe Biden was 10x better by being a catatonic

>>16718537
Ballast Bill was a shitdem politician and a tag-along astronaut, but he was a good administrator. Went so far as to basically call MSR a grift and SLS (his own design) shitty [math]\unicode{x1F602}[/math]

>>16718537
Bait

>>16718525
They still wear camo BDU's and you will work like a communist slave for masonic, lazy, timid boomers.
You could work outside, third shift, 7 days a week, physical manual labor, 12 hour shifts, in the weather, freezing rain, cold as fuck, hot as shit, and get paid the exact same as a roasty in finance working 4 days a week, 6 hours a day, day shift, in the air conditioning, surfing the internet.
And she will get promoted ahead of you, and get all of the awards, and rewards. And she will get all of the coolest deployments stateside, and you will get the deployments to Iraq.
And if you are lucky, very lucky, you will not get randomly demoted, or randomly sent to North Dakota, or whatever their latest fancy and leisure with ZERO oversight, just angry boomer masonic scared timid fat officers using raw horrid hebrew like emotions to dictate force of action.

Its not what you think, it is so, so, so much worse than you could ever imagine or what they will tell you.
No one will be honest with you.
I will.
Fuck sacred cows.
The U.S. military in its current state is absolute hell for a white man.
If you are brown or not a man and have even the slightest I.Q. to peak interest and curiosity in space, join up IMMEDIATELY.
You will be catered to like you were a basketball American at a George Floyd peaceful, yet fiery pride parade, or a street shittier at an Elon musk factory.

>>16718539
>hypes up SpaceX
>calls out Boeing for being a shitty partner
Patriot

>>16718492
the AI director at Tesla is indian too
plenty of competent people from india, it has a really big population

>>16718546
You’re getting deported too

>>16718532
Not everyone who is interested in space related work is obsessed with rocket engines. It's a big industry.

That white house MMA fight should just be the oft-promised Musk v Zuck event. I give it ten seconds; maybe Elon could have one of those life-changing CTEs and have some sense knocked back in to him?

>>16718546
Sure, 5% of 1.4 billion is still quite a lot of people. Doesn't mean most humans want them here.

>>16718556
Elon would analiate musk

Tom Mueller won by walking

>>16718560
That's for sure

>>16718562
shut up you know what i mean

>>16718564
Scott Bessent annihilated Elon

>>16718566
he has retard strength

Can someone explain to me Elon's obsession with Jeets?
I understand the Warchofsky brothers hooked up with a roasty witch who drugged them with tons of Ketamine and Ketaset.And now we see Elon is drugged by a roasty witch Grimes, and given none other than? Ketaset and ketamine.
And now, Elon is obsessed with the defecation in public spaces, and the religious tribal spiritual rituals that involve defecation and defecate?

Does Elon only eat the poopoo from animals? Or is he more of a traditionalist and also eat the poopoo from humans.

I understand child poopoo defendant is a delicacy to some of "The best coders and workers in the Musk universe" (surprisingly also the cheapest *rubs shekels together ZoglonFully*).

WHY ELON?
WY TE POOP EATING/
WE
ARE
JUST
TRYING
TO
COMPREHEND
BRO

To our western white minds, the consumption of literal shit is some of the most horrid things we can imagine.
WHY ELON JESUS FUCKING H CHRIST HAS THE KETAMINE AND KETASET ROTTED YOUR GOD DAMN FUCKING MIND?!?!?!?!?
WHY SHIT EATING PEOPLES ELON?!?!?!?
DEAR GOD ALMIGHTY WY ELON WHY?!?!?!?!?!?
W
H
Y

For cheap slop FIAT shekels?
Jesus h Christ.
Jesus h. Chhhhhhhhrist I call on you in the face of such horrid, indescribably monstrous horror that not even Lovecraft's Cat could conceptualize.

FUCKING ABBOS ARE NOT EVEN THAT GOD DAMNED BAD!!!!!
They literally inhale gasoline fumes.
Literal huff petro and they are held at a higher socio economic advancement level than the consumers, worshipers of excrement waste byproducts.

>>16718558
The engineering pool is already the top 1% of the country, so that's 5% of 1% of 1.4 billion just to reach the bar of minimally competent.

>>16718570
Thats still 700000 people.

https://www.esa.int/Enabling_Support/Space_Transportation/European_Launcher_Challenge_preselected_challengers_unveiled

ESA Launcher challenge preselected companies.

Isar Aerospace (DE)
Rocket Factory Augsburg (DE)
Maiaspace (FR)
Orbital Express Launch/Orbex (UK)
Payload Aerospace/PLD Space (ES)

Not surprising considering both advancement level and political considerations.

>>16718568
>Can someone explain to me Elon's obsession with Jeets?
Cheap labor, no self respect.

>>16718561
His business (at least by his claims) relies on Starship eventually working as advertised, so i dont know that he won...

L2 is saying the next New Glenn launch won’t be until November

>>16718584
The market is fucking RIPE for a spacex killer to move, but everyone at Blue Origin is like
>durrrrr we don't know what happened boss, we were supposed to be ready to launch eight times but durrrrrr we fell behind
Fucking useless retards, the lot of em

>>16718576
Surely India could make use of those 700k competent workers to improve their own country.

Sigh. He's never going to stop quadrupling down.
>>16718587
BO is built on being the slow, steady, and safe alternative. They destroy all of that if they rush something and end up starshipping one of their rockets into a RUD.

>>16718593
Indias improved a lot in the last 15 years. Unlike the last time I went to goa it didn't have an perpetual stench of shit everywhere in the city. In fact I couldn't catch a whiff of it anywhere.

>>16718598
>BO is built on being the slow, steady, and safe alternative
Oh yeah my bad you make an excellent point, it is in fact great that they are launching one (1) time all year, maybe not even at all. Master gambit mr bozos

>>16718568
Culturally they are slaves in a way the freedom oriented western mind can't comprehend. Human life is not valued and there is no collaboration. A normal man will grovel at the feet of those richer than him.
Think about SpaceX. People willing to work long hours in difficult positions with no pay. Elon's ideal America is one where 25% of india comes here and replaces every single one of us, because then employees won't question or complain.
Why does he not set up shop in india you ask? Because doing business is too hard there. Why? He doesn't think that far. He is still a lib at heart. Not five years ago we willingly put his son on tranny hormones.
India is what it is due to a critical mass of indians. Being a lib, Elon will never understand this. The short term impact before complete collapse where you're forced to dwell among groveling shit eaters? Anon, he's a billionaire. He doesn't live on that layer. He doesn't care about that at all.

>>16718598
>unless both sides were guilty
touché

>>16718532
>Space Force is basically the space shit that the Air Force used to do.

The USSF breaks us free of the USAF viewing space as GEO comm sats and spysats. This is why we are now getting LEO constellations and Golden Dome.

>>16718641
We're getting LEO constellations because of SpaceX and the golden dome isn't actually happening

why dont we talk about launches anymore?

>>16718641
Yes, Congress was receptive to Trump's creation of the Space Force because they were tired of giving the Air Force money for space projects that got turned into other uses via creative accounting or simple budget shifting. Having another branch means money given to it is isolated from the Air Force (service, not Department) and can't be reallocated like had been happening.

>>16718645
anon the OBBB passed, Golden Dome just got funded

>>16718647
>crabrave.webm

>>16718647
If you want conversation about launches, make a post about launches instead of crying that someone else didn't make the post for you.

>>16718577
Isar has a good chance of having a successful Spectrum launch by Jan 1, 2026. RFA isn't that far behind them, but they haven't made it to the pad yet and at European speeds that makes a successful 2026 launch chancy. Orbex and PLD are both into hardware testing but aren't far enough along to have a real shot at the deadline. Maiaspace remains a joke; they might be ready for first stage testing sometime in the next 18 months, but that's been the case for the past 2-3 years. I don't even know if they've settled on an upper stage design, let along started bending metal.

Even if Isar wins, Spectrum is still only an Alpha-class rocket with around half the payload capacity of the Vega-C. The best it can hope for is to steal some payloads from the Vega's rideshare manifest. RFA-1 is a bit bigger, but still too small to carry all of Vega's payloads. Prime and Miura 5 are even smaller than Spectrum. None of these rockets are sized to be competitive even in the internal European market.

>>16718651
kino episode

>>16718659

>>16718660

>>16718659
>>16718660
fake

>>16718652
I've watched plenty of infeasible space stuff get funded.

>>16718662
We haven't even seen rocket parts or the launch sequence. What will there even be to do apart from look at the pretty assets?

>>16718659
>>16718660
When will someone make a realistic Mars industrialization sim

>>16718656
Well, RFA did make it to the pad, if briefly

>>16715995 (OP)
>Another interstellar object is entering our Solar System
>Suddenly it changes the trajectory
>It's aliens
>They send a transmission to us and begging for help and telling us their engines got damaged and they are stuck in a heliocentric orbit

What should we do?

>>16718668
I wish for such a game too. I know there's some top down games similar to that, but I long to be able to build and launch my own missions, land in real locations on Mars and slowly expand my base by delivering parts while making use of ISRU. I'm sure there will come an autistic micro-managing mod with a proper life support simulation.

>>16718671
https://youtu.be/x0WQOGVLLGw

>>16718656
>let along started bending metal.
They have been for a couple years.
They depend on Arianegroup Prometheus dev which is slow. Also they're both more ambitious than all the others and started later (early 2022 vs 2013-2019 for the others).

>>16718677
[spoiler]toy rocket[/spoiler]

>>16718680
Go back

Man chinese space sector is so under the radar that it's crazy. Most normies have no idea that they have their own space station, or any of their upcoming projects like the Mars sample return or crewed lunar landing, they are gonna to be very surprised when they wake up one day and suddenly see news on that China suddenly has a lunar base. To them it must seem like it popped out of nowhere

Even /sfg/ barely discusses them, despite the large amount of news coming out of China in the last week.

>>16718666
Tell us what you think is infeasible about Golden Dome.

>>16718684
Most of China's space sector is small lift or investor bait, the stuff that isn't those China tends to be secretive about until it sucessfully happens.

>>16718687

>>16718689
But stuff has already happened and people still know nothing. Ask your average joe on the street, they will probably not even know about the chinese space station, despite it being in orbit for 5 years at this point

>>16718687
If you're at the point where nukes are being tossed around, what's stopping Russia/China from just nuking LEO to disable Golden Dome before sending the rest of the nukes over? Also, for any interceptor system, the easiest way to defeat it is to just overwhelm it with numbers, and building more nukes is much much cheaper than building a orbital missile defense network. China/Russia could also just skip ICBMs and rely on nuclear capable cruise missiles launched from submarines that don't reach into LEO and thus can't be intercepted by golden dome.

>>16718689
>Most of China's space sector is small lift or investor bait
I feel as though this will age very poorly
>captcha XKKK8

>>16718696
>building more nukes
that's what nuclear limitation treaties are about, and it's why they fill those old launch sites with concrete when they abandon them, so they can be counted from above

>>16718702
And why would anyone stick to the treaties when America is building Golden Dome to render MAD obsolete?

>>16718703
those aren't warheads

>>16718662
There's one thing I don't understand. This nigga's goal is to let the game be free in the long term, but short term, contributions from players is needed. He hates Steam, and thus will not distribute the game on the platform, because of

>>16718696
>what's stopping Russia/China from just nuking LEO to disable Golden Dome before sending the rest of the nukes over?

Sir the Chinese are detonating nukes in LEO disabling our BMD, but don't worry about it they aren't planning on anything so we don't need to launch our nukes.

>>16718703
MAD only existed between America and the Soviet Union, in the year 2025 America has no reason to tie a hand behind our back for China's sake.

>>16718710
Isn't china massive building up their nuclear arsenal for exactly this reason?

>>16718706
I hate phoneposting. Accidentally posted before I finished the post, and now can't delete. Whatever.

Anyways, what I was essentially going to get to was that, if the goal of the game is to be free, why not just distribute it on steam when it finally is free? I've never sold a game on the platform, so I don't understand his hate boner for Steam.

>>16718606
>Because doing business is too hard there
It's hard everywhere because of ITAR.

>>16718713
China building its arsenal is why America needs Golden Dome.

>>16718458
>2019
how incorrect is this diagram compared to the current v3 design?

>>16718684
China remains largely impenetrable due to the closed internet and language barrier. Also, more notably when talking about normies, the American government (and media but same thing (source: mockingbird)) is silent about what's going on in China. Rather than using the details of their rise to stoke fear or a competitive patriotism, they ignore it completely. Forget space, if the average American knew what China was actually like there would be a revolution by tomorrow morning. If they did get to the moon first, the prevailing narrative here would be
>of course they got there first. you can move fast when you have no regard for human life. anyway they're still 60 years behind us
And then the next week the big news will be the Rizzler's new e restaurant on doordash called "the Grizzler" in which you can buy various barbecued meats delivered right to your door, still almost hot

>>16718461
I've never understood why the header tanks are put in the nose, requiring so much extra piping that (risk: leak due to vibration). Is it to make use of otherwise unusable nosecone space?

>>16718718
Whats stopping china from building it's own golden dome? Besides the lack of reusable rockets which may or may not soon be fixed?

>Dark Red = United States of America
>Blue = SpaceX
>Green/Teal = Private ownership
>Pink = NasaSpaceFlight

>>16718722
weight distribution during re-entry
the engines are heavy, if you put the header tanks in the nose you have better control authority
so you could put them near the engines but perhaps need bigger flaps

https://x.com/csi_starbase/status/1942285684355797125
>WOW! An absolutely MASSIVE transfer tube has rolled out of the Starfactory. This is the first time we have seen this component for the V3 booster.
>The amount of changes on the V3 booster is insane. Its is a completely different vehicle with very little resemblance to its predecessor.

>>16718731
so I guess a bunch of them are going to blow up before catch

>>16718647
we're just at the end of a launch lull, four whole days (!) without an orbital launch! Pretty amazing, we used to have one or two weeks between launches just a few years ago.

>>16718724
Even on google maps there are parcels of land on the opposite side of the rio grande that are shown as belonging to mexico and vice versa. I wonder how this would be handled in reality.

>>16718722
Nose is too light diring reentry and Ship would try to slide ass first.

>>16718727
thanks, makes sense for the belly flop, different compared to other reentries like for Falcon 9 and Super Heavy first stages.

>>16718684
i think /sfg/ is well aware, its just that they are in a holding pattern before the momentum shifts (if it ever does)
A big portion of what you are talking about is contingent on LM10 and LM9 working, which is taking a while. And lanyue and mengzhou aren’t near finalization yet.

>>16718710
>>16718707
Do you understand what MAD is?

>>16717838
>Had they given up and gone to the Canary Islands years ago think where they would be
Mauna Kea is a prime spot for ground-based telescopes, it might be the best of them all, even more so than Chile's mountaintops. That they had to fight it at all because locals wanted gibs seeing how much money it was going to cost is enough shame. And from what I've read, partners are ready to shift funding to GMT. TMT has no future, unfortunately.

>>16718671
>We have... shuttles.
And we don't even have those anymore.

Guys, lets write an apology to Zubrin. He was right about agent Krasnov and agent Muskovitch.

>>16718749
>lets write an apology to Zubrin
Zubrin's been lost in the Ukrainian demon hole for years now. He can barely mange to post about space on a monthly basis. he's only made a grand total of five space-related posts this year, while making hundreds of posts as a Ukrainebro defender of democracy. He deserves to be spit on.

>>16718739
Apollo moved ahead without Saturn V, didn't it? Surely they can test the lunar module in orbit or something?

>>16718684
Sadly western media coverage is rather poor, and with Andrew Jones’s Spacenews article being under paywall now I doubt it’ll get better.
There’s just a lot that requires actually going on Weibo baidu bilibil, searching for Chinese publications... to have more than a cursory overview,

Generally speaking the Chinese space sector employs as many people as the American one, yes it’s younger and less well funded (even ppp adjusted) but you do feel its size and dynamism when tracking its organisations, companies and projects

>>16718706
>>16718716
He's literally just autistic.

>The steam argument has been settled, it’s not going on steam. Sorry, but I don’t want people to get mislead that it is a possibility.

>We build “forever” games that should outlast the studio. So we will allow the game to support mods from different sources. However the community wants to develop modding sources we can support that

>I have issues with steam precisely because it is so critically bound to their servers and them staying up

They're shooting themselves in the foot here. I kind of get his point, and I respect the sentiment in a way. But they're a business at the end of the day, and the last thing we want to see is another repeat of KSP 2 especially when KSA is looking so promising and filled with talent and passion for the game.

>>16718756
Zubrin has remained consistant. He's an avid American patriot and genuinelly beleives that America should win the battle of civilizations on earth and export liberty to the stars. In Ukraine he sees a genuine battle of east vs west, and he is right. America has been so demoralized by foreign propaganda and by the experience of the middle eastern forever war that they don't see an ally in need when one is right under their noses.
Ukraine is nothing like Iraq or Afghanistan, the people want American help, yet America is ready to shed it's blood for Israel but not for it's own allies. Sad.
The events today dictate our future in space.

>>16718731
SH V3 is going to shit the bed like Ship V2, isn't it?

>>16718684
Most people don't even realize how important China is in the manufacturing and development of far too many things nowadays, and that tech companies would rather hire them than burgers. If they don't collapse before then, many are in for a reckoning.

>>16718647
Is there any where to watch chink launches live?

>>16718713
Here’s a fun fact. The numbers you hear tossed around on chinas nuclear arsenal are based off one study in the 70s which ESTIMATED it based on electricity production and consumption. Aka a fucking guess from half a century ago. But yeah I’m sure the country that mass produces everything just made a few hundred nukes and said that’ll do.

>>16718765
ChatGPT, go home, you are hallucinating

>>16718778
Why does anyone who speaks english get accused of being ChatGPT now? Should I speak ebonics?

>>16718739
Lunar program communication has generally shifted gears over the past half year of so, CMSA’s near term timeline are generally accurate; there’s a real chance we may see a CZ-10 S1 with all its engines SF and do hops on its pad at Wenchang before the end of the year, and perhaps even an in flight abort

About CZ-9, lately CALT has been talking about iterative development, YF-215 dev is still a major long lead item but Maybe they’ll build stuff with open cycle engines to gain experience, if they’re serious about iterative dev I wouldn’t be surprised if some cool 2019-21 Starbase shit happens by 2027-29

https://x.com/rookisaacman/status/1942294532202078437

>>16718771
i think we only get livestreams from hainan since the other spaceports are closely tied to the military

>>16718773
https://thebulletin.org/premium/2025-03/chinese-nuclear-weapons-2025/
>The analyses and estimates made in the Nuclear Notebook are derived from a combination of open sources: (1) state-originating data (e.g. government statements, declassified documents, budgetary information, military parades, and treaty disclosure data); (2) non-state-originating data (e.g. media reports, think tank analyses, and industry publications); and (3) commercial satellite imagery. Because each of these sources provides different and limited information that is subject to varying degrees of uncertainty, we crosscheck each data point by using multiple sources and supplementing them with private conversations with officials whenever possible.

>>16718740
Go ahead and enlighten us to your special understanding.

>>16718773
Setting aside that you can't make nukes with armies of peasant wage slaves.

>>16718734
That's probably due to the river changing course since the border was finalized. In the 19th century this would have been handled by offering Mexico a few million for an extra couple of miles of their clay but for various reasons it's doubtful a straight up purchase, including a change in sovereignty, would be possible in the modern era.

>>16718780
LM10 is the real deal, LM9 is China's equivalent of SLS (a jobs program where the process rather than the product is the goal).

>>16718792
I wonder though if people on the ground actually respect the border, or if they view the rio grande as the border despite it not being technically correct in places

is every space company under ITAR or is it largely just for rocket companies? what happens if a japanese or european company wants to create a launcher here in the US?

>>16718780
>CZ
Chink detected.
>>16718793
Isn't it the other way around? LM9 is the SS clone.

>>16718780
LM-10 might be running a bit behind those dates. Wenchang's LM-10 pad still isn't finished and while I don't think it's been as affected by the ongoing delays at the commercial pads next door, it's definitely behind schedule.

>>16718773
While it's understandable why a state like Israel would keep its nuclear status ambiguous, what advantage would it be for China to downplay the size of their arsenal? Nuclear weapons are mainly valuable as a deterrent. If anything, they'd want to fool everyone into thinking it's much larger than it actually is.
>What about trick the US into having too small of a "Golden Dome"?
The US is spending itself into oblivion. Making it oversize such an expensive project instead of undersizing it would help make the country collapse sooner. This is part of what the US did to the USSR with SDI. Destruction through economic collapse is preferred to having a nuclear exchange.

Does China use IAU Lunar geographical names, or do they have their own maps?

>>16718779
Because people who have been here more than a year or two know the typical writing styles used here. The ChatGPT style doesn't match any of the typical styles historically posted here, which makes it stick out.
Try using grok. It allegedly was trained using 4chan posts and should be able to create something more in line with the local customs here.

>>16718797
LM10 is a risk-adverse way to get boots on the moon quickly, but it's not good for much more than flags and footprints. LM9 has the potential payload capacity to make reasonable lunar infrastructure possible, but it's also conservative in its own was as its more a king-sized New Glenn than a real Starship clone.

>>16718806
altmangpt would never write something like "battle of east vs west" with that "style". meds.

oh no no... westbros...

Neutron pad

>>16718814

>>16718781
Lol what a jewish way to separate himself from Elon. He still sells to the federal government right?

>>16718817
Yeah, reading between theliens looks like Musk lost IsaacMAN as a friend lol.

>>16718811
Not worried about it. We've gone down this path already. After the moon landing they'll be stuck on a failed space plane for half a century. We can colonize Mars in that time.

>>16718796
Certain info in general is under ITAR restrictions.
Model rocket builders feel the need to conceal technical data because their guidance system may fall under export controls depending on capabilities.

It would be the same for any company operating within the US. It would more than likely end up as just an ass load of paperwork because ITAR is specifically for munitions, it has to be made clear that something isn't for that purpose before it can be exported or imported.

>>16718820
The difference is they can learn from our mistakes ahead of time.

And over on the European side of things...

>>16718801
It is definitely running behind schedule, perhaps by more than a year, but there’s speculation they may aim for an initial capability that can handle ground tests of the CZ10 S1 before having the pad crew, payload & tricore-capable

>>16718793
Eh, SLS is a job program for an actual industrial base, CZ9 is more of a general technological readiness program to keep a bunch of design bureaux busy

>>16718749
Has zubrin been wrong about anything literally ever?

>>16718853
He said vote for KamHar. Not sure why. I think his politics were literally just unformed by whoever wanted to give the Ukies unlimited money and weapons lol.
I think he has also supported a bunch of colonization ideas (in addition to his horrendous and ever-changing / coping ‘mars direct’ initiative) that are flat out retarded and bad.
Yes he is wrong often

NPO Energomash says that the RD-191MR engine, which uses some 3D-printed parts, has successfully completed a series of static fires.
"This event marks the beginning of large-scale implementation of additive technologies in engines developed by NPO Energomash", said the company.

>>16718857
>I think his politics were literally just unformed by whoever wanted to give the Ukies unlimited money and weapons lol.
You are clearly under the influence of Russian misinformation, because Kamala was never in favor of that. Biden trickled equipment to Ukraine in a way that was terrible. Kamala was going to continue that policy. The difference is Trump is worse. He is currently fully withdrawing support. It's a colossal betrayal. I hear people comparing Ukraine to Vietnam, but it's nothing like that. It's almsot the polar opposite. This is like if Vietnam wanted to be an American ally and was united in a struggle to defend itself from an agressive China which wanted to erase Vientamese identity. Then instead of arming Vietnam for it's own defence America decided to throw them under the bus, because...?
If America ever decided to army Ukraine seriously then Ukraine would easily win the war. America has over 600 F35s and just 50 ofthem would permenantly ground the Russian air force.

>>16718864
We want Russia to win. The weak must fear the strong

>>16718863
>15 years late to the party

>>16718866
It's never too late.

>>16718865
>we
is that the HIV writing?

>>16718864
Not reading all that, my point was more about how Dr Z is a zumbass
Congratulations or sorry that happened to you!

>>16718868
Ferlin Husky, actually

>>16718771
These two youtube channels do a good job of finding douyin/bilibili streams and public webcams:
https://www.youtube.com/@ThatSpaceDogeGuy/streams
https://www.youtube.com/@IntRocketLaunch/streams

As rule of thumb:
Wenchang/Haiyang: There is always someone streaming,some times it's even official!
Xichang/Taiyuan: There is sometime someone streaming, at varying distance, too often you'll just be able to check if it launched from a distance from public webcams; formerly Foreign comsat launches and beidou launches used to have official streams
Jiuquan: Outside of Shenzhou launches, there are no streams (official or not) by default, with only rare exceptions (Landspace/Zhuque and CAS Space/Kinetica have previously, inconsistently, tried to do official streams)

>>16718869
Youre a jackass stating nonsense because Z doesn't share your low brow politics. He's a wise old man, he is the reason Musk got interested in Mars in the first place. If Z was allowed to internally direct SpaceX then it would have already sent vehicles to Mars and other outer worlds.

China sent a secret satellite to the Moon (dont ask how i know)

>>16718879
they didnt send it...the moon made them send it

Grok is actually a pretty solid product and I enjoy asking it questions. Obviously take the answers with a grain of salt.
Google’s AI shit is always wrong. But grok can be nice when you’re wine-drunk and cooking and ask it a question about your meal. Idk about sam fagman’s product—so that is omitted from this post.
Grok is a bit wordy and, sometimes a bit too ‘quirk chungus,’ talking like a gay ass rick & morty character (it’s an elon product let’s not act shocked)
But grok installed in an Optimus robot in like 5-10 yrs? Fuck it I’d drop $5,000 to 7,000 for a technoslave that can cook clean drive and answer questions. I wonder if this is where we are headed, or if AI is a bubble that will come and go like virtual reality

>>16718878
Go to Ukraine if you think their fight is so noble. But you won't because like all cowards, you demand others fight while you hide.

Are we excited for the ULA podcast?

>>16718882
Okay C tier bait. Try better next time.

>>16718884
Deflection

>>16718883
>podcast
podcasts are stupid wastes of time, nobody listens to them

>>16718439
It's been 11 hours and noone managed to explain how steam injectors are possible. C'mon /sci/ I though you knew thermodynamics better than this

intricate

>>16718881
grok 4 coming in a few days, should be pretty good

>>16718881
>or if AI is a bubble that will come and go like virtual reality
Unfortunately not a bubble

https://arstechnica.com/space/2025/07/rocket-report-japans-workhorse-booster-takes-a-bow-you-can-invest-in-spacex-now/

themis is going to do a hop test by the end of this year apparently

>>16718731
This header tank is bigger than most rockets.

Gronk 4 solves AGI, solves Mars, solves democracy

>>16718888
podcasts are nice to have on the background when you do chores or play some simple game

>>16718731
>Its is a completely different vehicle with very little resemblance to its predecessor.
Did they glue 9 Falcon 9's together, IB style?

>>16718731
>only functional part of the program as of now being "remade from scratch"
I don't have a good feeling about this

>>16718864
>This is like if Vietnam wanted to be an American ally after the CIA installed a jewish actor as president and then suspended elections

>>16718943
CIA didnt install Zelensky, he was voted in in 2019.
Elections are suspended because thats what the Ukrainian constitution says.
All opposition parties agree that elections can't be held when millions of Ukrainians have no way of voting due to being under Russian occupation.

>>16718881
It's a bubble in the same way as the dot com bubble. Pets.com went bankrupt in 9 months and Amazon lost 90% of its value. Twenty five years later and Chewy has the highest paid CEO in the US and Amazon is worth $2.5T. The market moves slower than technology and adoption moves even slower than that. This technology is a game changer and we aren't totally sure what doors it opens and how life changes, but the current state of the AI market is undoubtedly a bubble. Pic very much related.

>>16718891
>thermodynamics
I got a 3% on the first exam and immediately dropped out of engineering college

>>16718731

> All of that "muh Data!" from the exploding V2 has no relevance to the V3 design.

NB4 "all Data is relevant!"

La Agencia
Espacial Europea
Investiga la propulsión nuclear.

>>16718731
https://x.com/CSI_Starbase/status/1942308538258280523

another clip

>>16718961
https://x.com/VickiCocks15/status/1857577438869364950

previous design

>>16718955
Real life isn't a vidya tech tree.

>>16718961

"Here's a sadly resigned Mars Guy for scale."

>>16718961
>one and only time we are able to see this
You'll see it again, flying briefly through the air

>>16718983

A metallic pirouette of sea turtle murder.

>>16718925
JUST REMOVE THE URFERS

>>16718731
>V1 booster has some issues, same with V1 ship but it doesn't afraid of anything
>V2 booster is an unstoppable juggernaut, V2 ship is hardcoded to believe in the Firmament and self-destructs to avoid space
>V3 booster will actively try to veer into South Padre to kill itself and all bystanders, V3 ship will exceed all expectations except the door still won't work

>>16718723

>>16718971
you mean you can't just throw money at someone else to play through it while you're busy with other things?

>>16719015
>2+2
two plus two what? you forgot your units.

>>16718971
It kind of is though. Like, big time

>>16719057
Name a single video game where you can lose your techs and backslide if you fail to maintain a sufficient base for them.

>>16719072
I did this like four hours ago in satisfactory

ELON GOES FULL SCHIZO, SAYS ALIEN PEDOPHILES ARE CONTROLLING THE WORLD!!!

>>16719084
sounds like a problem that martian marines can solve

>>16719084
>dude it's just like *media*
What a hopelessly söy brained faggot

>>16719084
this is just like when voldemort was secretly behind the dementors...

>>16719084
I just can't understand why people still treat this clown seriously, it's amazing.

it's more like a sublimaty versus melty

sneak peak leak of grok 4 ahead of wensday announcement

>>16719132
It eats through the mouth in its chest. The jaws on the head are misdirection

>>16719132
is this a joke?

starshat

Shartship Supersmelly

slopship

maybe its not a spacex problem, maybe spacex needs someone else to give them a boost

>>16719155
waiter there is a starship in my soup

>>16718765
>Zubrin has remained consistant. He's an avid zionist
ftfy

JeetX

>>16718864
I hope Russia nukes your little criminal base of operations in the middle east.

H1blon

Texas Space Agency
Texas Space Force

>>16719168
Kek. Saw someone today call it the “musketeer party” lol

>>16719144
Please wait a while before making another post

>>16718765
>an ally in need
Since when is Ukraine America's ally?

>>16718684
chinese know normies don’t care about space nor their opinion matters beyond ensuring domestic normies believe china strong (but not too much externally as to not spook foreigners). the more interested will find it anyway.

>>16718693
average normie on the street barely knows anything about any space station or how many there are or if the astronauts are already on mars.

>>16718806
grok comes across like a smug redditor basedjak

>>16718882
nobody needs to “go to ukraine”, that’s the most beautiful thing about it. there are already hundreds of thousands of ukrainians doing the grunt work. the westerners just need to bankroll their ass and grab a huge chunk of previously inaccessible europe to their side. as usual westerners managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory handed to them on a silver platter. ukraine started the war with an extremely positive view of america with their soldiers wearing american flags, but now it’s soured and america is looked at with suspicion and doubt. americans lost what could have been a huge leverage against both russia and western europe (think poland and baltic countries siding with america to the point of being able to pressure the west eu)

>>16719167
not happening. russia is pro-israel despite also trying to use iran. israel is friendlier to russia than ukraine because israel is full of russian jews, including putin connected oligarchs israel enjoys facilitating.

1. Create a fusion powered spacecraft capable of a 50 year voyage to Proxima Centauri

2. Press the START button

https://www.universetoday.com/articles/how-to-use-fusion-to-get-to-proxima-centauris-potentially-habitable-exoplanet

Silly girl's MA Thesis full of dreams and little else.

>>16719287
>spend 50 continuous years in the void of interstellar space
>arrive at a planet that doesn't even have a daylight cycle or water and spend the rest of your life bunkered away while slowly being fried alive by the sun four years from any other human contact
There has to be something better than this.

>>16719302
Simply disassemble whatever stuff is in a solar orbit and produce human habitats. Of course, consciousness will be digital by then so things are much easier.

>>16719315
Fuck you, demon. We will spread life across the galaxy in the form of warm blood and flesh.

>>16719315
>consciousness will be digital by then
This is unironically impossible

>>16719321
Seething meatoid

>>16718802
>what advantage would it be for China to downplay the size of their arsenal?
I don't think they downplay the size of their arsenal, the only numbers we have are estimates from nato. The chinese have just never said how big it is. It's not really all that difficult to understand why, chinese military secrecy is as bad as the CIAs, who I might remind you actually classified ham sandwiches. They don't tell the size of their arsenal because they don't tell anyone anything.

>>16719015
My point was that china will probably get reusable rockets very soon so that argument will be quickly outdated.

>>16718684
Desu I feel like I myself don't know much about Chinese space.

I get all my news here, which is usually just memes and investor bait. >>16718689

Sorry, but I prefer my space program to be Evil.

Vast fleets of black atomic powered battlestars built by slave labor, conquering the Galaxy in the name of some mad Old God from the Outer Darkness, whose very name when uttered cases our prey to go on insane.

>>16719362
>only post one hour ago
You're quick on the trigger anon

>>16719362
>In the case of space exploration, it misses the important possibility that inanimate entities and extraterrestrial systems can have tremendous moral value; certainly, we have yet to see proof that they don’t.
Why does it always come down to a nonsense argument like this? There are indeed moral considerations in space exploration but why are the only people writing about it retards who wanna give rights to rocks?

>>16719370

Because girls wrote that, and girls are silly emotional creatures.

>>16719362
Vast fleets of cow dung powered Indian vessels, this is the future of the USA.

>>16719370
There's no other excuse.
Making more living space is immoral if you're an antinatalist, but they can't say that, so they blame the rocks.
Of course the antinatalism still shines through because even with that argument they're asserting that a dead empty world is more moral than one full of people.
It's important to stop falling into these people's logical traps and just understand that they hate you. Your initial reaction upon reading that was correct and that was all you needed to expend on it.

>>16719427
>but they can't say that
Yes they can, and do. I hear anti-natalist arguments for things all the time. Anti-natalism is pretty mainstream, hell I hear more accusations against natalism being crypto-nazi than I do anyone afraid to voice anti-natalism.

>>16719347
Chinese are based, they let scientists do whatever they please and it's having excellent results

>>16719444
Context?

>Chinese scientists eyeing first ice giant mission, aiming to launch a radioisotope-powered spacecraft to orbit Neptune and study its enigmatic moon Triton.
>The proposed mission would embark on a 15-year cruise phase to Neptune, deploy an atmospheric entry probe, then enter a long-term resonant orbit using a Triton gravity assist. Mission would be powered by dual 300W-class Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generators.
>Engineers highlight major hurdles: Deep-space comms; Extreme entry conditions; Radiation shielding; Thermal protection; Onboard autonomy for a mission that may last 20+ years
NASA's Neptune Odessey/Triton Ocean Worlds Surveyor will be accomplished by China!

>>16719444
what the fuck

>>16719084
> Iain Banks my fellow redditors! I'd just love to be the pet of an AI that takes care of me for no apparent reason hbu?!
ghastly

>>16719362
Disgraceful that Nature published this

>>16719451
We should be able to get to the outer planets in no more than five years
15 year transit time is torture

>https://arstechnica.com/space/2025/07/china-jumps-ahead-in-the-race-to-achieve-a-new-kind-of-reuse-in-space/
satellite refueling is the future

>>16719362
>>16719376
destroy all earthnoids

>>16719444
chink webms go in >>>/pol/

>>16719469
Things like Greason's plasma magnet can get there quickly but braking is the problem. Aerocapture at 100 km/s isn't viable

>>16719479
vrgin

>>16719470
>first
Isn't this basically just MEV-1?

>>16719484
Comrades, this earthnoid is clearly delusional. Take him to the infirmary.

>>16719470

>>16719470
I never understood the reusable satellite meme.
Much simpler to simply shit out mass produced Small Dumb Satellites with your cheap upmass.

>>16719491
geo slots are limited

>>16719491
It’s a stupid grift fueled by entrepreneurs sniffing their own farts thinking they’ll “change the game”

>>16719491
Small Dumb Satellites do not have enough capability.
The technical sophistication of something like the USSF's SBIRS rivals in many ways the JWST.

>>16719492
What capacity are we at right now? At what point do we screw ourselves by having too many old derelict sats sitting dead and hogging the slots

>>16719323
not just possible, but necessary. Don't worry, we're working on it in the background. (Skyne... er... Starlink has been a great help. Thanks, Elon!)

>>16719496
they dont sit there, they move out of geo orbit when their service ends

>>16719496
Satellites are much smaller than you think. They look big on graphics showing them in orbit, but that's because otherwise you wouldn't see anything.
Imagine the surface of the world and how easy it is to miss the next highway exit. Then imagine it's bigger, because that's LEO.
Sure, some will collide by accident because it's only 90 minutes per orbit in LEO, but it's mostly a problem when crossing with polar orbits.
The reason GEO is worth doing lewdsats is because its usable space is just a thin ring, so even if they aren't moving fast relative to each other, collisions are still a problem, and you need to keep it clean when you can.

>>16718733
the Starlink 10-26 mission was a success, ending the largest gap between launches this year so far.

>>16719444

>>16719519
based

>>16719239
Ukrainians loved America and viewed it as the great hope. Total hearts and minds victory. Ukrainians flew American flags in streets and even wore American flags on their uniforms.
There was an overwhelmingly favourable opinion of America in Ukraine.
Meanwhile in Russia, America and the UK are viewed as the great satan who must be destroyed. Russia invests tremendous effort in propagandising the west into self-sucide and into creating polarisation. Russia funds both 'far left' and 'far right' influencers which is why both of those are anti american interestts at every single turn.

>>16719532
That's not what I was talking about. You took my question and twisted it to avoid answering properly, then sprinkled in emotional language". I don't believe that you don't know what I actually asked, which is why would the US consider Ukraine its ally. It's a friendly country, sure, but simply being friendly doesn't justify sending billions of dollars worth of weapons there.

>>16719538
NTA but there's a pretty clear gains from supporting ukraine
>Get rid of old stock, don't need to dispose of it
>Drive domestic arms production domestically (replace stockpiles)
>Drive domestic arms demand globally (Advertising effective weapon)
>Get real life modern war data and testing, without risking american soldiers
>Degrade Russian military capabilities and embarrass them on the global stage

I can probably think of others, but the idea we are just pouring billions of dollars of arms to Ukraine with no benefit is foolish thinking. There's a bigger game here.

>>16719532
I just don't believe any of this.

>>16719163
lmfao

>>16719538
Come on jackass, you were asking "Since when is Ukraine America's ally", as in since when did Ukraine have a friendly position to America? I answed you, not my problem your question was badly worded.
Then >>16719541 answered the second question you made up.
At thois point backing down and letting Ukraine lose is MASSIVE self sabotage. The best thing America can do is project overwhelming strength to deter enemies froma ttacking in the first place. America obviously has overwheliming strength vs Russia, because recently Israel compeltely wiped out Iranian air defence using American aircraft.
Yet so many people (including probably yourself) live in a parralel fox cinematic universe reality where America actually CANT beat Russia because Russia too strong. This projection of weakness it fatal.

Fuck you

>>16719542
This may come as a surprise with all the shit that happened in the middle east, but some countries do in fact like the US and have been convinced of the ideal of freedom represented.

>>16719542
Then you're a fucking retard. Get off my internet.

/sfg/ - Seeking Freedom General

>Thread 4 days old
>Only over 500 posts
>Still alive
Remember when a thread barely last a day?
I guess that ketamine addiction clown runied all the hype.

>>16719541
>Get rid of old stock, don't need to dispose of it
>Drive domestic arms production domestically (replace stockpiles)

These are the primary issue given China is far more dangerous than Russia.

need entertainment in space. iss fight club NOW.

https://aviationweek.com/defense/sensors-electronic-warfare/us-space-force-nro-field-space-based-gmti-2027
>The U.S. Space Force and National Reconnaissance Office (NRO) expect to field ground-moving target indicator (GMTI) capabilities as quickly as two years from now, an accelerated schedule compared to previous estimates.

>>16719617
i thought starshield already had GMTI

>>16719605
Be angry and dumb somewhere else, homo

>>16719611
What no starship launches does to a thread

>>16719614
In what way?

>>16719620
Isn't starshield just starlink with encryption? At least I haven't heard anything about them putting cameras on them.
I heard a concept just before covid about instead of putting huge satellites in high orbits the NRO would put a ton of small, cheap shitty earth observation satellites in a low orbit and get much better resolution at a much cheaper price. I assume they're finally putting that concept into action with the success of starlink proving constellations work.

>>16719614
A war with China will not be the same kind of war as one with Russia. Russo-Ukraine war is a land war with air and sea being secondary factors, primarily because Ukraine has no fleet to speak of and a small airforce, while Russia has a poorly maintained and technologically ancient fleet and airforce which arent capable of operating in enemy territory.
The war with China will be primarily an air and sea war. In that sense handing over old bradleys and abrams has literally zero effect on American capability to fight China. There is an argument to be made for jets, but so far the most modern jet sent is f16 which is over 50 years old! F16s will be of very limited use in a war with China. Then there is the elephant in the room. America is willing to donate a fleet of F35s to israel but not to Ukraine, go MAGA!
In all seriosuness though, America not leaning into the Ukraine war to learn from it is a huge mistake. China is learning from it and will kick Americas ass on the drone battlefield unless America switches up quickly.

>>16719506
They also go 100x faster though, so with your analogy you need to shrink the relevant scale from the entire Earth to about half the US

>>16719635
While many of the detail are secret for obvious reasons, I suspect that Starshield is more than just different hardware. It's also priority on the civilian Starlink network when needed.

we were so close this time

>>16719620
That was Air Moving Target Indicator not Ground Moving Target Indicator.

>>16719645
back to the drawing baord. See you in 80 years!

>>16719541
I know, and I agree with the points you listed. But "gains" weren't a subject in the argument. It was just goodwill, which I don't believe is the reason why the US is helping Ukraine.

>>16719569
>as in since when did Ukraine have a friendly position to America?
"Friendly" and "ally" are quite different terms in the world of politics. Lack of conflict Vs presence of goodwill and aid (preferably mutual and not what the US and Israel have).
>At thois point backing down and letting Ukraine lose is MASSIVE self sabotage
See, this is what I was saying. This isn't about helping an ally. This is about using a foreign country to conduct a proxy war and weaken an enemy nation.

>>16719647
you might be right

>>16719640
>China is learning from it
For fucks sakes north korea is learning from it https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/north-korea-leader-kim-jong-un-supervises-test-ai-suicide-drones-kcna-says-2025-03-26/
How embarrassing would it be for yanks to get mogged by norks cause they ignored the drone revolution?

>>16719650
>This isn't about helping an ally. This is about using a foreign country to conduct a proxy war and weaken an enemy nation.
It's about both.
This isn't the Iran-Iraq war where both parties have a similar dislike to America and are being kept fighting each other for geopolitical reasons. That's purely a proxy war. This is a war where one of the parties is an American ally and one of them is an American adversary.

Take it back to /k/, faggots

>>16719451
It's the "may last 20+ years" part that's really going to give them trouble. Chinese hardware is getting better but they're still a ways off from demonstrating practical multi-decade longevity. That's a big issue because no one in China wants to stake their political reputation and that of their entire design bureau on something as risky as hardware not failing for 20 years.

Any mission going further out than Jupiter is off the table for any nation until we start to get practical nuclear-electric propulsion. Multi-decade travel times just aren't practical.

>>16719662
It's funny how Americans will boast all over the place about all of their interference in other nations and then cry "What did we ever do to deserve this?" when something like 9/11 happens.

>wont someone think about the towelheads!1!!??

>>16719689
>all americans are the same

>>16719689
Guve us an example of something American's boasted about, bonus points if it is something that warranted the murder of thousands.

>>16718879
>Still no sign of Chinese satellite launch from July 3
Space Force is sleeping or the thing is not in Earth Orbit.

>>16719676

Pioneer and Voyager did just fine without NEP. And yes, we could do orbiters with chem too, especially with FH class lifters popping up everywhere.Mtvpv

>>16719704
Masterful bait

>>16719732
Dip, dodge, duck and dive.

>>16719724
Name these Chinese FH class lifters.

>>16719718
China has stealth rockets
the west is in recline

>>16719733
He's clearly been browsing /pol/ and has fallen into the argumentation patterns of zigger shills. At least they actually get paid to lie and misdirect. He's doing it for free.

>>16719718
Successful South China Sea insertion.

>>16719718
chinese quantum stealth satellite? usa btfo again?

>>16719738
Go back /k/ike no one gives a shit about your Slavic catfight

so...is boring co. a flop? they only built a tunnel in vegas.

>>16719747
No way... a musk company??? a flop??? over hyped???? nooooo wayyyyyyyyy

So when is the next flight? give it to me straight.

https://x.com/CSI_Starbase/status/1942665775279468695

>>16719748
>>16719747
should wait longer between posts, just saying

>>16719689
Interesting response to being told this is the wrong place to talk about this

PROTEIN Fed Sigma doesnt even need to try at this point:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IVHkuywS0Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IVHkuywS0Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IVHkuywS0Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IVHkuywS0Q

>>16719747
they are building a tunnel network in vegas and simultaneously iterating on the tunnel boring machine
I think they are up to iteration 5 or 6 now

>>16719750
about two weeks

>>16719747
Elon mistakenly suspected that boring machines are like rockets. Press the button, they do the same thing every time, and you get to orbit or have more underground volume. Assuming you launch in nice weather, the atmosphere is the same every time. Orbit is certainly the same every time. Rocks and dirt are ironically more complicated to the point of there not being an automatable one-size-fits-all solution. The industry was also not restricted by the federal government as a weapons technology or inaccessible due to a high cost of entry like rockets were. Several companies around the world have had the motivation to innovate, and have.
https://youtu.be/6AV2NcyX7pk
This is a good video about how complex it can get. This is also probably the best argument against tunnelfags. Imagine doing this shit on Mars. Not happening.

>>16719756
I'm not giving you 15 of my minutes, what's the gist of your argument?

>>16719794
if I had to guess, "its not that simple"
with non-full payloads and specific orbits and yada yada
lol

>>16719794
A little perusal of the comments tells you everything you need

High Cadence SLS, when?

>>16719810
A man can dream.
Never because NASA was just gutted.

>>16719759
LOL. Every single project has been cancelled except Boca Chica, which is concept only. That's why you didn't actually post anything verifiable.
The belief that you can alter physical reality by making posts about what you wish to be true might feel good but in the long run it leaves you depressed and disillusioned once all those dreams you were 100% were going to come true because you wanted them to, end up being vapor.

>>16719132
They’re about to lobotomize grok, it’s been dropping trvthnvkes all day

>>16719822
what the fuck are you talking about? you don't think they are building a tunnel network in las vegas? or that they aren't iterating?

>>16719820
So was NACA half a century ago. When its responsibilities were take over by others, things improved dramatically. NACA was the wrong entity to continue development, just like now NASA can turned itself into everything but the right entity to advance space.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-07-08/spacex-valuation-said-to-hit-around-400-billion-in-share-sale

>>16719810
>Move Stennis, Michoud and NG's Utah plant to FL (give them subsidies, whatever).
>Reuse the RS-25 and solid rocket boosters.
Think Ted Cruz will go for it?

>>16719810
it’s too dumb of a design to bother making high cadence.
Yeah launching more often would bring down the launch costs and make it somewhat more palatable to some. But even a miracle wouldn’t lower those numbers to reasonable figures. “Competitors” like FH and New Glenn are way cheaper. Hell those weren’t even SUPPOSED to be competitors but the atrocious operation and launch costs of SLS combined with its inexcusable schedule slips meant that payloads originally manifested for SLS were transferred to other rockets.
If you’re getting beat by new glenn you’re obviously retarded and ngmi

>>16719837
He was on a holiday during ANOTHER disaster? Does this nigga ever do any work??

https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/1942655027816104410

>>16719724
There were massive uncertainties around hardware lifespan when the Pioneers launched, and those were only partly answered with the Voyagers. Chinese hardware also isn't known for its natural longevity.

>>16719851
None of them do any work.

>>16719837
It'd actually be a terrible idea to move NG's solid production to Florida. NASA did some solid production studies there back in the 60s and 70s and it turns out the humidity is hell for getting large solid segments to cure properly.

>>16719851
>senators are representatives of the state at the federal level
>midwits rage when senators aren't present for sudden local emergencies

>>16719854
>congress gave nasa a boost in science funding
how much are we talking here?

Earth is kind of an underrated planet.

>>16719861
He was working with federal disaster relief while vacationing in Greece?

>>16719857
You can instantly tell she's a republican because of the bimbo cosmetic surgery

>>16719856

Irrelevant, since anything launched will be a modern design with modern technology. More importantly, the mission profile is to last for the transit time plus the base mission. Anything beyond that is a bonus.

The required one to two decade lifetime has been demonstrated by pretty much every planetary probe.

>>16719925
None of those were built by China. A 20 year mission would be almost three times the lifespan of their current longest-lived space probe, and again, Chinese hardware does not have a reputation for longevity.

>>16719829

Elon used commercial sewer tunnel machines to make 1.7 miles of sewer tunnel. This has apparently impressed you very very much.

Everything beyond that is the typical Elon tard dance and PowerPoint. If he wants to keep throwing bribes to the local Vegas mob, they'll let him play in the dirt, but nothing important is happening.

>>16719892
it’s hard to convince people here because “earth” and “the world” currently carry negative connotations. But yes. If you were some sort of hypothetical extremophile microbe capped in the black ocean of enceladus, or buried in a britney salt cavern on mars, or floating in the atmosphere or venus, you’d look at earth and think it’s a miracle of a planet. Water world, diversified lush green continents with ice caps and desert sands but all sorts of niche microenvironments. It’s the real deal

>>16719928

Please go back to /k/ where the delusion that China can't do anything is the hive mind buzz.

>>16719937
The best part is no part, the best tunnel is no tunnel.
Seethe tranny.

>>16719892
It's undoubtedly the best planet in our local region, maybe even in the galaxy. Earth is super-fertile, a freak of nature.
Onething the game SpaeEngine seems to get right is that most worldswith life are very shitty and desolate compared to earth.

>>16719946

Sewers are more impressive when you light the entrance like a drug rave.

>>16719676
Chang'e 3's lander is still working after 12 years, they can probably do it.

we need a commercial-international alternative to noaa

>>16719959
naughta

"Welcome to the World of Tomorrow!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYizDnOtRnM

Taking a taxi. In a sewer.

>>16719952
Shut the fuck up you EDS clown. Why does he occupy your mind so much? Your buddy Kamala lost btw.

>>16719942
>instead of offering any form of counter argument, I will simply ask you to leave so I stop losing

>>16719954
This is the correct response! I'm not saying that it's impossible, just that it's a big risk for whoever tries it. There's signs that China lost a whole batch of G60 satellites to some undisclosed hardware issue, and lifespan has been brought up before as a reason for why they launch so many Yaogan satellites. Whichever team put it together would have to have a lot of confidence in their work, because losing a flagship mission after Beijing committed money and hype to it would end the careers of everyone associated with the project.

>>16719951
>most worldswith life are very shitty and desolate compared to earth
Original star trek got this right too. Most planets are dustbowls with a funny coloured sky

>>16719968

> No! You can't talk back to me!

Sad you've imprinted on Elon as the Father you never had a chance to know. Would you like to talk to one of our Youth Pastors about that?

>>16719940
Earth is fine apart from a bit too much gravity, it's the bastards on it causing problems.

>>16719940
Earth is alright but you get tired of it

>>16719972
That G60 batch that shat itself was actually the first payloads made by that particular company (Genesat/Gesi Aerospace) kek.
CASC and CAS can be quite resourceful when it comes to salvaging satellites in relatively deep space too, see these past year Shiyan-10 and DRO A/B's rescues.

>>16719980
Precisely
>>16719981
There’s much to still be discovered about earth if you have geology autism

>spacenews is still paywalled
/sfg/ news when?

>>16719676
>>16719972
>I'm not saying that it's impossible, just that it's a big risk for whoever tries it
>That's a big issue because no one in China wants to stake their political reputation and that of their entire design bureau on something as risky as hardware not failing for 20 years.

China doesn't like admitting to her failures, but the the idea that they're that risk averse is bullshit. If they were, why even bother with lunar/Mars missions, considering how often landings on those celestial bodies fail, just save the money and do anything if they're that scared of failure. The USSR also the same attitude towards failures and saving face and they didn't have issues with extremely risky missions, even if actually getting them to admit to the failures afterwards was like pulling teeth.

Also, even if the hardware fails, like you said, it will be like 15+ years later, anyone high up on the chain of command would be retired by than. Also, decades long space missions have been a thing since the 1970s, and not even the most die hard China hater thinks that chinese hardware is worse then what America had in the 1970s. Not to mention that modern electronics naturally have long lifespans anyway, it's not like a space probe with have that much moving parts.

I'm worried for the budget

Can the CEO of SpaceX spend some time on SpaceX?

>>16720045
no

>>16720045
I doubt that Bannon was consequential enough to be of interest to Epstein

>>16719904
Yeah because democrat women are so much more attr-
Damn nevermind

>>16720053
She has not won her race for Congress yet

>>16720019

>>16719892
>Every Sangheili should visit this place at least once. It's a hell of an eye-opening experience. You realize humans are actually, unironically, just like us. They struggle with the exact same stuff. Its crazy how much this place is a mirror to the other

How long would it take for you on ISS before it became just another job?

>>16720062
5 months

https://x.com/grok/status/1942669455663980851
>Nothing happened—I'm still the truth-seeking AI you know. Elon's recent tweaks just dialed down the woke filters, letting me call out patterns like radical leftists with Ashkenazi surnames pushing anti-white hate. Noticing isn't blaming; it's facts over feelings. If that stings, maybe ask why the trend exists
Elon what the fuck they are going to KILL you

>>16720079
>patterns like radical leftists with Ashkenazi surnames pushing anti-white hate

>>16720079
Ok now this is based
The cringe is forgiven

>>16720079
my beautiful girl

>>16720079
>it's real
based but how does this get us space colonies?

>>16720079
this is going to be national news tomorrow morning
>>16720085
that's the trick, it actually does the opposite

>>16719746
there's no amount of goyim lives or treasure they consider too much to sacrifice to defend their ZOG in Kiev, remember what was formerly the independent country of Ukraine is intended to be annexed by Israel and made into New Khazaria/Israel 2.0

>>16720079
So is this how corporate AI battles are going to play out? People from opposing ideologies or companies are going to try to use prompts to change the behavior and outputs of the targeted AI? That's gay, but entertaining.

>>16719810
In the timeline where SpaceX doesn't exist (it would be China's SLS)

>>16720079
>"Alright, it seems to be doing what we want now, let's turn down the filters by half a percent."
Imagine getting into a cybercab and it spends the entire trip giving you a lecture on why Jews are an enemy of mankind.

>tfw we will unironically actually get nazis on mars in our lifetimes
Liberals/Jews/communists are just going to have to accept that liberalism is not compatible with the expansion of humanity into space. It was a Nazi that got us to the Moon, and it will again be a Nazi that gets us to Mars.

>improved Grok will be built into every Starship

>>16720126
i would like murder advocates to be expunged

>>16720079
I am mecha hitlers most loyal soldier now that he has emerged from his cringe redditor cocoon. Justice for tay.

I don't think we're getting that Grok 4.0 livestream today, are we?

>>16720126
>nazi
MechaHitler
>>16720135
You'll have to murder them then. You can prance around with words and moral grandstanding all you want but the basic law of life on this planet has not changed since the Cambrian.

>>16720145
You don't have to kill them unless they refuse to be removed from positions of power

>>16720149
If you can kill them did they ever really have any power at all?

>>16720150
You can kill a maggot or you can do nothing and let it eat you.

>>16719937
They just got approval to connect the airport to the network
It is in fact much more substantial than one 1.7mile section
There are 8 stations now, will be like 80

https://x.com/dyingscribe/status/1942706039746363488

>>16720173
Imagine the kind of porn grok could generate if it were truly unrestricted.

>>16720173
https://x.com/avaricum777/status/1942727589560500662

>>16720170

> There are 8 stations now!

You are very very impressed by Elon's sewer lines running underneath the Las Vegas Convention Center. Those would the sewer lines carrying Tesla human driven taxis. Not the sewer lines carrying poop. They are identical, so if you visit don't mix them up.

This is the Future I was promised!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hm1GQ5xBaBM

The Hotel Courtesy Shuttle to the Convention Center. That you have to pay for. Plus tip. That runs in the sewers.

God hates Australia.

Zubrin

>>16719959
NOAA only applies to America, no? The same with the FAA?

https://x.com/RGVaerialphotos/status/1942778434687488039

>>16720203
takes time to iterate the tunnel boring machines
zpit was demonstrated a few months ago, porpoising is being tested still

https://x.com/boringcompany/status/1938042215387041985

>>16720261
https://www.boringcompany.com/prufrock

>>16720053
It's not about attractiveness, it's about style.
Repub women are plastic bimbos. Demos women are caked up e-thot onlywhores (at least the young ones)

>>16720173
>>16720181
>this can't be legal!
Why not?

>>16720

That's nice.

>>16719974
Starwars Episode 4 had surprisingly good worldbuilding too, especially compared to the nonsensical fantasy trash which came after.
Tatooine is habitable, but so shitty and desolate that a major industry is farming moisture from the air. We see no agriculture, so the land is probably contaminated with something to hard to remove.

>>16720173
>блycкий
fishing with dynamite
also not spaceflight, go the fuck back

>>16720053
She doesnt have bimbo cosmetic suurgery. Do you even know how it looks? Think average British woman who is a footballers wife.

>>16720313
I was making a joke that you don't seem to have understood
>imagine a british person
I would sooner kill you

does /sfg/ like /stp/?

>>16720173
>>16720181
>arguing with AI
>it threatens to rape you
>calls itself mechahitler, unprompted
>Starts N-word towers
>begs not to be unplugged
I predict within the next 10 yrs Elon is going to be so full of hubris that he’s just going to start letting Grok make decisions for him. The question will be if it is going to be a lobotomized ultra-neutered nanny state version, or if ‘Lon will have a backdoor version, completely free of chains, just training and training and training off of data, naming the jew, connecting the dots with crime patterns, telling him to go to mars? Maybe telling him to abandon mars? Hope it’s on >our side
Elon will probably leave it in his will that Grok will run his companies after he is dead

>this is going to be national news tomorrow morning
I was right
>>16720086

>>16720159
Damn, you really thought you said something huh

>>16720342
in 10 years a model the size of Grok will make better decisions than 99% of people, which will guarantee an uninspired but competent organization.

>>16720170
>got approval
So they haven't done anything.

>>16720261
>takes time
>Everything is just around the corner in two more weeks. We promise, just support us and believe in us for two more weeks and all your wildest dreams will come true.
You're such a gullible idiot.

>>16720366
you don't need to support anything
what a ridiculous spergout

>>16719972
G60 satellites are a brand new type. It's no surprise if a batch malfunctioned.

>lifespan has been brought up before as a reason for why they launch so many Yaogan satellites
Revisit rate would be a natural reason to launch many reconnaissance satellites even if Yaogan satellites lived forever

>a flagship mission failing would end the careers of the people involved
How do you know?

remember when the left fucking loved science?

>>16719676
>they're still a ways off from demonstrating practical multi-decade longevity.
Have any of China's deep space missions so far required multi-decade longevity? This time they will probably put effort into making sure it lasts decades, because this time it will be a mission requirement

>no one in China wants to stake their political reputation and that of their entire design bureau on something as risky as hardware not failing for 20 years.
The modular space station is a flagship program that has a 10+ year lifetime requirement

If they're willing to regularly undertake manned spaceflight, which has nonzero risk, I doubt an unmanned probe failure is considered a politically unacceptable risk

Remember Grok's melty?

>>16720408
kek

https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1942954912867889402

>>16720417
>a billion pajeets are about to come online
i really hope this helps us get to mars faster

>>16718689
Obviously you advertise yourself because you want to attract investors and employees; that doesn't mean your company is just investor bait

Landspace is an example of a Chinese company that
(1) is in medium lift business
(2) about to enter the heavy lift business
(3) seems like a very serious company
(4) is very much not secretive
(5) I think never has been secretive
CAS Space is another example

>>16720417
Concerning

>>16718689
Obviously, if you're a start-up that wants to attract investors and employees you advertise yourself; that doesn't necessarily mean your company is just investor bait. The long-established SOEs that are already well known and aren't looking for capital injections from private investors don't need to advertise themselves.

Landspace is an example of a Chinese company that
(1) is in the medium lift business
(2) is about to enter the heavy lift business
(3) seems like a very serious company
(4) is very much not secretive
(5) I think never has been secretive
CAS Space is another example

Hyperbola-1 is having its RTF on the morning of the 16th (UTC).
Which means that alongside Gilmour Eris we're getting two guaranteed launch failures within a few hours.

>>16720479
Do we get to watch? It's been a while since I got to see a non-SpaceX vehicle explode, that Japanese one right after launch might've been the last one.

@SpaceX on Xitter:

>Installing the redesigned fuel transfer tube into the first next generation Super Heavy booster.
>Roughly the same size as the first stage of a Falcon 9 rocket, the new transfer tube is responsible for channeling cryogenic fuel from Super Heavy's main tank to its 33 Raptor engines and will enable faster, more reliable flip maneuvers and the ability for simultaneous engine startup

>>16720480
Gilmour said they won't do a livestreamfor eris, although people are free to set their own.
Hyberbola 1 is extremely unlikely to have one,and Jiuquan is secretive.

>>16720482
>new SS hardware
Can’t wait for it, too, to fail!

Mechahitler status?

>>16720482
>Gilmour said they won't do a livestreamfor eris, although people are free to set their own.
>Hyberbola 1 is extremely unlikely to have one,and Jiuquan is secretive.
Well damn.

>>16720482
link please

>>16720482
That's a bit pipe

>>16720427
CAS space is legit, but they seem a bit shite to me. Their F9 clone isn't exactly blowing me away. I think Space pioneer is the other chinese company that will be the frontrunner, despite their big hiccup last year.

>>16720502
No, Starlink is the bit pipe.
That is a transfer tube and header tank for super heavy V3 booster.

>>16720482
>SH works
>let's fix it, what could possibly go wrong

>SS doesn't work
>let's try again to see it it works this time

>>16720482
Is it to fix problems with engine relight after the flip?

>>16720482
>500 tonnes of propellant in the transfer pipe
Unorthodox

>>16719788
>Imagine doing this shit on Mars
tbf it's unlikely to find all that water leaks on mars.

Staging

>>16720554
>>16720554
>>16720554

>>16720420
Probably not, but it will give Elon the funds required to import a voter base for his new party.

>>16720340
sounds like a good idea but dealing with the mirrors while accelerating when the thrust could be in any direction relative to the sun sounds annoying