Professor "Vaccines don't cause autism" Dave reveals he has an autistic son

Just (((Dave))) things

Why do all these youtubers have autistic sons?
That other youtuber who used to work for NASA but now does "cool soience projects" also has an autistic son.

does the typical /r/science redditor really never have any single second thought about giving their babies dozens of injections by the time they're 2 years old? i just have to think any normal and reasonable person would have SOME level of intuitive doubt or skepticism about how unnatural it is, especially when you end up with an autistic/disabled kid

>>16720460
Normal people don't edit videos.

>>16720456 (OP)
antivaxxers would never

>>16720456 (OP)
Autism is overly diagnosed nowadays. "Everyone is autistic" they say, "autism is a spectrum" they say. So now, if your child has difficulty speaking in public, it's not that they're nervous and shy, it's that they're medically ill. I know someone at work, he's 41, he has a family and a career and shows no discernible characteristics of someone with any mental or learning disabilities. Yet, because he has some really intense hobbies and because he finds talking to people to be hard, last month he got diagnosed with autism.

Autism is a joke diagnosis. Everyone is autistic and if you aren't you can easily be diagnosis with autism.

>Tldr: he doesn't have an autistic son.

>>16720469
He says his son has been attending autism therapy and now only after a year is showing slight signs of improvement
And he says he trusts the science that his son will eventually be a functional member of society
He might be non verbal but he doesn't have the balls to say it

>>16720469
this is very true with later "diagnoses" where you have teenagers suddenly deciding they're autistic because they're awkward and ~*different*~, but my understanding is that legitimate non-verbal diagnosed-at-age-3 autism is way high now too

>>16720470
>Muh therapy
Nah, he doesn't have autistic son. He might have a child that's been developing slowly.
>>16720474
No, it's still being massively overly diagnosed. It's the medicalisation of slow development. 50 years ago they would have been called retarded. 30 years ago they would have been called "special" and needed extra classes (or be held back a year). Today, they're called autistic and you need to pay out the ass for therapy.

>>16720456 (OP)
LMFAO

>>16720460
Are we talking nonfunctional autism or does Dave have a socially inept aspire? If it's the former then he got unlucky. If it's the latter then it's reflective of bad parenting

No way that's true.

>>16720481
https://youtu.be/HqI_z1OcenQ?t=5625

what are the odds the kid will also turn out to be """trans""" by the time he's 7

>>16720483
Damn..well that's unfortunate. One thing people have to consider is that the parents who initially started to look into vaccines back in the day where people who had a normal child for 2-3 years and than suddenly right after one of the vaccine scheduled shots - their kid suddenly changed overnight.

It should be a personal choice and doctors should warn against side effects and shouldn't be shamed and called crazy if they decide not to do it. That's all.

>>16720487
I mean this can be true while also saying vaccines are safe and effective. If the rate of vaccine causing autism in an infant is 0.001%, negligibly low in epidemiological studies and will often come out as statistically insignificant, then consider 100 million infants are given the vaccine. Then 1000 babies will develop autism. If all those parents somehow found the same information via support groups, you'd find a relatively small cohort of "crazy" people pushing for something that "contradicts" the (epidemiological level) science

>>16720487
>people who had a normal child for 2-3 years and than suddenly right after one of the vaccine scheduled shots - their kid suddenly changed overnight.
This isn't true. They claimed it was overnight, but when it was taken to court experts in autism showed that earlier recorded behaviour was congruent with an ASD diagnosis. 2/3 is just when their parents started to notice they had a retarded child.

>>16720496
How did experts confirm something they didn't witness?
Also s to spit on dave

>>16720456 (OP)
All this proves is that he's a mega-rationalist ultrachad who follows reason and evidence and has no room for emotional nonsense. He had everything he needed to lie and engage in self-victimization but he didn't

>>16720496
>2/3 is just when their parents started to notice they had a retarded child.
Not really, we are talking about a drastic neurological change - speech, behaviour, sensory perception ect. Don't forget at that point those kids were up to date on the schedule. The parents had no doubts before that and were following the recommendations just like everyone else.

>>16720497
>How did experts confirm something they didn't witness?
We have these things that, back in the 90s, we called "camcorders". They are able to record moving images for replaying later. During the civil case I think the plaintiffs submitted them as evidence of a change after vaccination. However, what I posted earlier happened. There were signs that their children had autism before their vaccinations, its just around 2/3 years old is when children start to develop the ability to communicate clearly with the world, and that's when it becomes noticeable.
>Also s to spit on dave

>>16720510
Weak argument. You're saying in this court case that trained psychologists were able to diagnose children based on VIDEOS, and without proper screening. By this logic, they are also qualified to diagnose anybody from video clips, such as the POTUS or actors during interviews. However this is malpractice and they can lose their license over this reckless behavior. The fact that courts both permitted such recklessness and that psychologists were able to do this without losing their licenses is a travesty.

Though let's be real, they both weaseled their way out of any trouble by saying they saw indicators of it, but without making a formal diagnosis. So that the jury could assume they meant it's a formal diagnosis when it's not. In effect, your argument only holds up if you concede and accept that it's founded on misleading lies. Which is probably not the argument you wish to make.

>>16720508
>Not really
Yes, really. They only noticed around that age. But as I said, there were clear signs that they had a retarded child earlier than 2/3 they just didn't see them.

>>16720515
>clear signs
>nobody noticed
that's mighty convenient.

>>16720514
>You're saying in this court case that trained psychologists were able to diagnose children based on VIDEOS, and without proper screening
I'm saying exactly what I said, that there were signs of autism before 2/3. This is not a diagnosis, this is saying that
>people who had a normal child for 2-3 years and than suddenly right after one of the vaccine scheduled shots - their kid suddenly changed overnight
Is wrong, they didn't "suddenly change" overnight, and their children weren't "normal". Where "normal" here means having no signs of autism before the ages of either 2 or 3.

>>16720515
Do you have children? You notice everything, that's all you do in the first years.

>>16720519
>You notice everything, that's all you do in the first years.
This is clearly wrong, as proven in court.
>>16720517
People noticed, those experts that studied autism in children noticed. Their parents didn't notice, because their parents have never studied autistic children growing up.

>>16720518
>didn't notice autism before
>notice it now
anon, this only occurs if there's a radical shift in behavior. that's like saying the parents thought their kid was a dog for the first two years it existed, and then were shocked it was a human. or it's like saying you thought your son was your daughter for two years, and then finally noticed there's no penis. autism, the kind of the anti-vaxxers are talking about, is very serious and severe. they wouldn't magically be blind to the signs and then notice only after the kid gets the vaccine at age 2.

>>16720523
>>16720521
We wouldn't have this problem if there was actually a meaningful definition of autism that went beyond the "exhibits socially abnormal behavior." With diagnostic criteria like that, who wonders that all everyone comes up with is dogshit.
For that matter, you cannot exhibit symptoms of something if that "something" hasn't been identified in the first place.

I had to use a throwaway account just to post this on here.

>>16720526
>I had to use a throwaway account just to post this on here.
By that I mean to verify my E-Mail account for unclear reasons totally not related to data mining or profiling.

>>16720469
>, if your child has difficulty speaking in public, it's not that they're nervous and shy, it's that they're medically ill.
Why is your kid nervous and shy around people, anon?

>>16720496
>>16720510
>>16720515
>>16720521
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/family-to-receive-15m-plus-in-first-ever-vaccine-autism-court-award/
Lying kike

>>16720521
Don't call it autism then, I don't give a fuck what you call it. It obviously is making kids retarded in some cases.

>>16720531
Oh no.... It's the clearly mentally unwell antivaxxer again who has to insult people for demanding sources and proves.

Why is it that this topic always brings together the most mentally deranged people, anyway?

>>16720536
>Damage control when given a receipt
I accept your concession. Admit you were wrong.

They should be doing cognitive tests before and after vaccination.

Do you know what the follow up period of the vaccine trials are - up to 1 months. That's fucking retarded. That's an insufficient way to conduct a safety trial.

>>16720530
>Why is your kid nervous and shy around people, anon?
It's not normal for kids to go jumping around, smiling all day and happily initiating social contact with some guy because your father or the teacher told you to do so.

The autism psy-op has been tremendously successful in normalizing an actually abnormal style of socializing with shit tons of parents now going crazy over their kid not making <<enough>> eye contact and not happily switching between tasks when instructed to do so.
Now, every autism lobby organization will tell you that these personal quirks are just as disabling as cerebral palsy or Down's because that means that the autism organizations, which represent industrial interest groups, get to cash in big time on therapy and intervention schemes meant to teach kids how to behave "normally". The public gobbles it up, insurance costs more and more each year for some unexplainable reason, the therapies barely do anything and we're told that we suddenly have a lot of that "autism" that wasn't around before. Unfortunately, its existence cannot be independently verified other than by behavioral surveys incidentally created by the very same organizations that are bound to cash in by promoting therapeutic schemes.
Also, what sense does it make to classify a non-verbal wheelchair-bound guy and some kid who likes collecting stuff as both being on the same "spectrum"? Isn't this just the propagation of a perversion that has come to be because we're overly reliant and trusting of checkbox surveys?

>>16720568
I feel like people aren't accepting at all, and this applies to both ends of the political spectrum, that the healthcare system has been gamified, actually privatized, and like any other enterprise now succumbs to the forces of the free market whereby the responsible stakeholders and investors want to push as much garbage as possible onto their customers.
In the case of autism, to maximize profits and expand markets, the label just gets broadened more and more to the point where you don't even need to fulfill the criteria to actually qualify for the diagnosis because the symptoms have become utterly irrelevant in promoting the product. This happens once the responsible stakeholders, affiliated/associated with banks and the financial sector, have usurped insurance policies to enrich themselves.

>>16720531
I'm new to the thread, but you are not a serious person if you think that that link proves that vaccines cause autism.
And then you call it a receipt rofl.

People used to try when trolling.

>>16720573
The problem with your theory is that autism generally does not require any treatment. You'd have a better argument for the increased diagnoses of nearsightedness being a conspiracy because they want to sell you glasses.

Hell, you'd have a better argument that doctors are in bed with autism merch sellers.

Isn't this like arguing that you can't trust a rape victim that says vaccines don't cause you to be raped?

>>16720590
I'm not sure but I would happily pick up on that narrative.

>>16720589
>The problem with your theory is that autism generally does not require any treatment.
The point here isn't that a conspiracy is going on. The issue is that the lax standards of what counts as autism nowadays legally forces schools into providing special services for students which, due to the way such services are structured, usually end up impeding a student's career. Parents feel pressured into avoiding such a fate for their kids, hence parents end up pushing for optimized early childhood development which generates revenue for the private market. Once that happens, you've got yourself a industrial complex that, through aggressive lobbying, will try to lower the diagnostic bar even more so that more parents are pressured into sending their kids into therapy. Since these services ultimately generate revenues for stakeholders and hedgefund managers, which, as we all know, are in control of Western politics, nothing is done about this since it is part of a greater scheme of extracting money from the lower and middle classes.

>>16720663
In this sense, I would not be surprised at all, if the media specifically blew up the whole vaccine-autism boogeyman to confuse people over the issue at hand. As far as I know, the NBC top executive, Bob Wright, did, in fact, found the largest autism lobby organisation back in 2005, which, among other things, tried to appeal to Christian-conservative/Mennonite antivaxxers.
Some of what is currently diagnosed as autism is undoubtedly down to encephalopathy which is brain damage caused by brain inflammation. Is encephalopathy linked to vaccines? Yes, it's in fact a listed side effect. However, while some forms of severe autims are described quite accurately by encephalitic syndromes, usually the one where the "autism" suddenly kicks in and is preceded by seizures, this says nothing about high-functioning autism. So, this confusion strikes me as structural.

>Professor
>Implying
shiggy diggy

>>16720456 (OP)
>professor
he is not a professor

Autism is unironically a superpower if it's high functioning though. Why wouldn't you want the ability to hyperfixate and truly master an interest? Why wouldn't you want to have a personality that prioritizes facts and honedty over social conventions and feefees?

>>16720707
It's unironically debilitating.

>>16720456 (OP)
probably shouldn't have had him with his own mum

>>16720456 (OP)
Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy, if you know what I mean.

>>16720711
>oh no i am capable of being a world class expert in my special interest how debilitating, the retarded normies however won't like me whatever shall i do

>>16720736
That's not autism

>>16720456 (OP)
Can we ban youtube/tiktok channel shilling already?

>>16720746
Hyperfixation on a few or single special interest is a hallmark of autism. Autists are very overreptesented at top levels of most activities, such as sports. In simpler terms, I think anyone would agree you have to pretty fucking autistic to enjoy kicking a ball 8 hours everyday for decades.

>>16720456 (OP)
Dave stop shilling your youtube channel with these threads, fuck off and die

>>16720804
Nigga autistic don't grow up to be savants, they either never learn how to speak and bite people or they end up as homeless manchildren who can't hold a job

>>16721044
Reread >>16720707 very carefully again. Push your reading comprehension to its limits.

>>16721044
>they either never learn how to speak and bite people or they end up as homeless manchildren who can't hold a job
Both of which aren't limited to autism nor representative of it so it's both not autism.

Autism is also massively overdiagnosed and it technically doesn't even exist outside of insurance manuals. Way to go to waste time by fearmongering around a fictitious disorder. Especially when Thiel invested millions into "curing" it.

>>16720804
I don't think the vaccine injured children became geniuses anon, I think they became borderline retarded. I don't really care about the "autism" definition to be honest. Call it whatever you want, it's probably brain and neurological damage of some kind. Couldn't care less about the label.

>>16720456 (OP)
>claim vaccines cause autism
>this is extremely bad because
>he hates his autistic kid
How embarrassing

>>16721067
>I don't really care about the "autism" definition to be honest.
Then we're arguing past each other. Familiarize yourself with the nomenclature so you can make an actual point, then we can continue.

>>16720456 (OP)
So what? Why should I care about your eceleb?

>>16721078
It' such a broad spectrum that it has basically become a meme at this point. Everyone and their mother is apparently "autistic" and they think it's some kind of cute label that makes you quirky.

>>16721102
I think one of the best questions you can ask to determine if one is autistic or at least adjacent is
>if you were having dinner at someone's house and it was absolutely vile, would you say it when asked if you like it?
Just about any true autist would answer yes, low or high functioning. It's not that all autists don't understand social norms, it's that they give zero shits. Normies value social cohesion over absolute truth, autists have it the other way around. To an autist, telling someone their cooking fucking sucks is doing them a favor because they won't improve otherwise, and they would probably like being told it as well if it was the case. And they would be correct, but the average normie doesn't function like this. In a way autists are just extreme individualists. Notice that the word "autist" comes from "auto" which means "self".

This is why also why this shithole attracts autists, because you can call a faggot a faggot here all you want and no one bats an eye.

>high functioning
>autistic "adjacent"
Lmfao this is all cope. There is not a single mental disorder that is a superpower. They are all dysfunctional by definition. That's why they're disorders. Quirks are not autism. Intense interest in hobbies is not autism. I'm so sick of this culture that romanticizes mental illness.
>Durr autistic people come here to say faggot
For fucks sake. Please start using a trip code so I can filter your posts. I never want to read another one of your braindead posts again.

>>16720460
Would you believe that a diagnosis for literally any mental health or behavioral disorder (schizophrenia, depression, adhd, autism, anxiety, gender dysphoria, etc.) is more likely for people growing up in urban environments with well-educated parents? It's almost as if living in a geographic location that has all the specialists and being part of a culture that doesn't tell you to stop being a queer and go to church increases the likelihood you get taken to & receive a diagnosis from a professional, for literally anything.

>>16721176
The brain is an organ that learns anything it can from its environment. Urban areas expose the brain to the idealistic melting pot culture America prides itself on. Without guard rails (limited exposure to deleterious behaviors) the brain normalizes such perversions. It's why gaiety and pedophilia propagate via sexual abuse.