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Thread theme song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cB4dYfFgaME

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YDoowoYzOI

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1943000168384860346

When is the next Starship launch?

>>16720564
Two weeks

https://x.com/RaMansell/status/1942950708698886563
Quantum Drive soon

Xi has directed the PLA to be ready to fight and win a war in space if and when the time comes, and the PLA is carrying out plans to make that happen. They are maneuvering satellites to gain positional advantage against those of democratic nations. They are exploiting sun angles to make sure that it is the Chinese satellite that is doing the observation, and not the one being observed.
They are practicing shifts in orbital regimes which are far too aggressive to be considered routine. For a satellite, energy is life: the more you expend, the shorter the life of the satellite. Observing Chinese satellites make large and aggressive maneuvers using lots of energy leads to the assessment that they are willing to trade satellite lifespan for experience in conducting orbital maneuvers. This is also a key component of military deterrence, the demonstration of capacity, capability, and, perhaps most importantly, the will to do it.
To be clear, the PLA is exercising military maneuvers in space. Chinese satellites demonstrated coordinated, multi-satellite orbital maneuvers resembling combat tactics. This has raised alarms for governments across the globe worried about China’s aggressive development of military capabilities in space. Vice Chief of Space Operations Gen. MichaelGuetlein described it as a form of “dogfighting in space.” And this is just part of the PLA’s anti-satellite program to develop jammers, weapons, robotic grappling devices, and other technologies. to fight to, from and in space.
They are conducting rendezvous and proximity operations in order to enable the execution of dynamic spacecraft operations; which in military terms means they are developing the TTPs to do these operations. And this isn’t new, in 2021 China showed that it could find, fix, track, target, pursue and grab another satellite, and then move it to a different orbital regime.
In short, they are exercising and practicing for orbital warfare.
China is evil.

>>16720560
Nice foreshadowing

>>16720566
Best of luck to them.

>>16720564
Launch in which direction?

>>16720579
Tel Aviv

>>16720567
>China is evil.
anon they are commies, that part was already obvious

>>16720566
why would they need it to be in space to test it lol
everything else that works in space works on the ground

>>16720567
lolwut? Why are they evil? All of that sounds awesome

>>16720566
Oh boy another Schrödinger's Propulsion System where they can't even tell if they turned it on or not.

>>16720570
kek

>>16720566
Imagine this works like the Epstein drive from the Expanse and in a week we see a flash from this guy's CubeSat when it impacts Uranus

>>16720595
They claim to have so, there were some studies that claimed to deboonk, etc.
If it demonstrates enough deltaV from a cubesat that would be irrefutable I suppose.

>>16720616
havent they done this shit for the past 5 years? i swear they launched one and then at first were saying it was working then when results came negative the were like "whoops we didnt turn it on!!1!"
How long can this grift last?

>>16720608
I'm looking forward to it finally doing nothing. As opposed to its orbital carrier failing before it can do nothing.
Of course the True Believers™ will say it was just broken, and that it proves nothing.
>>16720615
The only thing that will be impacting Uranus is...

>>16720567
China is fucking done for. Total collapse within 2-3 years

Remember Musk’s melty?

>>16720639
Which one?

where are my 25 starship launches?

>>16720642
Don't worry, 100 launches next year

>>16720641
Are they even discrete events anymore? Seems to be a continuum of cringe.
>>16720642
Best I can offer is a three to one exchange rate on Falcon 9 launches.

https://x.com/ThreeDeDaniel/status/1942993500951150635
>Just to give you a rough perspective how tall and gigantic this transfer tube is, I've put a Falcon 9 into a V3 Super heavy booster. Have fun with it!

>>16720662
Starship and starbase might be a demoralizing shit show right now, but SH is probably one of the most impressive things built by humans right now.

What was the point of Starfish Prime?

>>16720662
>Just to give you-
BLAH BLAH BLAH WE DONT CARE LAUNCH IT OR SHUT UP

I call cheese sandwiches melties :3

Oh, so you're a spaceflight expert, are you?

https://iss-sim.spacex.com/

Terran Hard R time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F14uXmzVp08

>>16720672
ez

BTW, for anyone lost, “sus” is short for “suspect”. (Elon speaks street)

>>16720696
'sus' is from a video game

>>16720665
Seems kinda unclear. The official justification was
>Previous high-altitude nuclear tests: YUCCA, TEAK, and ORANGE, plus the three ARGUS shots were poorly instrumented and hastily executed. Despite thorough studies of the meager data, present models of these bursts are sketchy and tentative. These models are too uncertain to permit extrapolation to other altitudes and yields with any confidence. Thus there is a strong need, not only for better instrumentation, but for further tests covering a range of altitudes and yields.

>>16720615
If it produces verified thrust at all I will literally be dancing in the street

>>16720672
Congratulations on finding something we did years ago.

>>16720708
They did it just because it would be cool. God I wish America was still that based. Nerva? Space detonations? They were simply doing it for love of the game.
We were so close to Orion

>>16720560

Just imagine the leaks.

>>16720698

> Sus - 1930s: from suspicious or suspicion.

Drones that think the world revolves are their children's games make us sad.

>>16720725
We were never anywhere close to Orion

>>16720737
That and also JFK personally said no

>>16720665
Because we didn't know shit about what nukes did in different conditions.

>>16720738
JFK said no, Robert McNamara said no, several scientific and military advisors to the previous said no, a number of air force generals said yes but then also said that there was no way in hell they were going to ask for an actual budget for the program, let alone one that could eat a quarter of air force's entire space budget...

>>16720340
I like STP but no one else does

>>16720754
It would have more popularity if the example you gave there wasn't vaporware.

tomorrow is the day. the budget day.

HAPPENING EVERYONE AT NASA JUST QUIT
https://x.com/InsiderWire/status/1943096209167770109

>>16720778
Based

>>16720778
>2000 middle managers retired

oh no, anyway

>>16720778
The trash takes itself out.

Sean Duffy is interim Administrator of NASA

>>16720791
His wife had sex with Puck.

>>16720778
>>16720784
yep, the first thing I thought of
And nothing of value was lost.

>>16720772
Of course it's vaporware, it vaporizes water

>>16720778
when are we getting a non-federal version of nasa? everyone is complaining about nasa getting gutted but nobody is saying they'll pick up the slack.

>>16720807
NASA is getting gutted. The problem is that, like the rest of the federal government, NASA has spent the last few decades stuffing itself with more guts that it could ever reasonably need. You could axe 5000 positions and it wouldn't effect NASA's ability to be terrible at its job.

>>16720791
>On March 7, 2025, The New York Times reported that Sean Duffy had a clash with Elon Musk during a White House cabinet meeting. The secretary criticized DOGE's pressure to dismiss air traffic controllers at a time when his department was facing a series of air accidents. Musk retorted that what Duffy had said was a "lie".[67]

hmm

>>16720814
>Musk retorted that what Duffy had said was a "lie".
Oh he says that about everything

these people aren't middle managers.
we can't get certain equipment approved because there isn't quorum at the necessary committees. it takes time to fill the roles.

>>16720822
At least Musk didn't call him a pedo.
>>16720824
Sounds like an overly heavy middle management structure designed to protect middle management.

>>16720791
GRIIIIIIM this signals that USAs space program is simply transitioning to “all we do is buy rides from our free market”
We are destined to become a weak space nation, like a POCKOCMOC but with a “commercial” sector artificially propped up by the tit of the government through gibs and regulation

>>16720845
True. Just like happened when the aviation market was turned over to the free market. Really wish we could ride on an airline operated by the black ladies at the DMV.

how will /sfg/ cope when Professor Dave Explains makes a video deboonking starshit?

>>16720814
Musk and Duffy met publicly after this I'm pretty sure, Duffy coming to Gigafactory texas to talk about self driving
so I would think they had an okay relationship at some point, of course now it might be different yet again with Musk criticizing the admins policies (namely BBB) and Duffy probably doesn't want to be seen as too closely connected whatever his current opinions on Musk

>>16720872
who?

>>16720876
a youtuber that /sci/ loves because he debunks creationists/flat earthers

>>16720878
who?

>>16720879
moo

>>16720791
https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/1943121382818058363

https://arstechnica.com/space/2025/07/nasa-has-a-new-interim-administrator-the-secretary-of-transportation/
>The idea of the Secretary of Transportation also running NASA may seem like an odd choice, but in some ways the appointment of Duffy makes sense for the President. Whether it is beneficial to the space agency remains to be seen, but two industry sources speaking confidentially said they would not immediately dismiss the prospect.
>Sources indicated that although Petro did not have a particularly high standing within the Trump Administration, she did nothing to be removed from her position. Rather, it seems that Trump wanted someone he liked and trusted running NASA. This is probably a benefit for the agency, as it will give NASA a direct line to the president. For example, Duffy can text Trump if NASA needs something, or is being treated unfairly during the budgeting process.
> In terms of alignment, Duffy is likely to side with Vought and push for the President's budget to be implemented at the start of the fiscal year on October 1.
>However, it is also possible that he takes his mandate to slash NASA's budget and workforce seriously, and in doing so would be vastly more effective than Petro.

>>16720845
>“all we do is buy rides from our free market”
Isn't that what we wanted all along? Space travel as something you buy a ticket for?

>>16720845
That's how it should be. NASA should exist to do research and exploration, in areas that aren't yet or may never be commercially viable. One of the kinds of research they did was developing rockets, but now the commercial space industry has overtaken them in every respect on that. NASA for the most part just doesn't want to admit that and the idiots who fund NASA don't understand it.

lmao musk just said grok 4 will discover new technologies and physics by next year or some shit

>>16720919
I don't begrudge him hyping up his AI, they all do that. Look at Sam Altman's wild claims

>>16720923
if he actually believed his claims, then he would direct his employees at SpaceX and Tesla to use grok to solve their issues

@grok how do I stop Starship v2 from blowing up?

>>16720924
he said they will do this later (at least give grok 4 access to commercial company level tools like physics simulations)

>>16720919
new physics like the four humors, luminous ether, and divining rods?

>>16720932
Municipal water companies literally hire dudes with divining rods tho.

>>16720936
That's just a way to divert county funds to their friends

Elon is so autistic

>>16720936
retard alert

>>16720939
no they actually believe it. See also: ADE 651, Quadro Tracker.... feeble minded morons fall for that shit alllll the time. And homeopathy, crystals, whatever.

Space is fake and gay. The Earth is flat and covered with a dome. Sneed.

>>16720949
behold, the last /sfg/ post ever

>Boring tunnel just collapsed in LA, dozen of workers trapped.
Elon bros, please tell me everything is ok

>>16720981
>its real
hijole elon is COOKED

>>16720791

NB - Interim can serve in the role for up to one year before requiring Senate confirmation.

>>16720981
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-07-09/industrial-tunnel-collapses-in-wilmington-trapping-up-to-15-workers-underground

I don't think this is the Boring Companys project
the only active one is at Las Vegas (there have been plenty of "talks" etc but nothing else is active now)
Los Angeles had a very short test tunnel next to the SpaceX factory after the company was started in 2016
Austin has a short cybertruck tunnel that is finished, but only autonomous Cybertrucks drive through it I'm pretty sure and then there are a few short test tunnels in Bastrop between the starlink factory and the boring company factory

https://www.boringcompany.com/projects

https://youtu.be/1tQ_KrlHgfg
holy fuckshit balls
amazing gronk 4

>>16720919
so did openai, deepmind, anthropic, bytedance, alibaba etc
never heard any of these (deepmind might be the best candidate for this) breaking new ground in chemical or materials research so I'm skeptical to say the least

>>16721131
Chemical and materials research has already benefited massively from the use of neural networks, no need to slap an LLM on top.

>>16720845
Then deregulate and defend it.

What is he waiting for? This is the ideal time to get ahead
Jeff, do the needful!

>>16720778
The term senior has lost it’s meaning, 2000 sounds far too many for that level.

>>16721131
Protein folding.

>>16721152
Graditim Ferociter or whatever

>>16721171
What's the use of this?

>>16721191
Japanese gainzstation with muscles folded over one million times.

>>16721140
>>16721171
In ten years every government will have an neural net capable of creating a racially targeted virus but LLMs still won't work

>>16721152
He looks like the guy from Transporter

>>16720560

>>16720560
Who's he trying to impress with this stuff? pic unrel

>>16721214
Me. I beleive him and understand that all the poeople sying he botted his progress are paid shills by the DNC

>>16720662
Look at that, it's your mum's tampon applicator!

>>16721191
drug discovery for instance

>>16721227
This but unironically.

>>16720724
Omg can I have your phonenumber? I can't believe I'm this much behind!!!

Instead of the ESA crashing into Mars, a proposed mission to have the ESA crash into Venus.

*crashes*

>>16721249
They’re too busy crashing into earth at the moment

>>16721249
Take Europe seriously.

Nature published a stack of papers from Red China's Lunar Far Side sample return mission. The differences between Near and Far sides continue to increase.

>>16721257
Very useful information for subterranian operations in the mid 2030s.

https://x.com/int_machines/status/1943295733450326091

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-m0gk_s5ARA
>Spaceplanes Are Here: Fastest Aircraft Ever to 20km

>Dawn Aerospace is building the world's most advanced rocket-powered spaceplane – and it's already breaking records. CEO Stefan Powell joins Core Memory to reveal how their Aurora aircraft has become the fastest vehicle ever to reach 20km altitude from a runway, beating stripped-down F-15s while flying like a normal plane from regular airports.
>Powell explains Dawn's revolutionary approach: combining rocket performance with aircraft operations to create truly reusable space access. From their New Zealand headquarters, they're manufacturing satellite thrusters while developing spaceplanes that can reach the edge of space, conduct microgravity experiments, and return for another flight the same day.
>The company just signed a groundbreaking deal with Oklahoma to deliver 100 flights of their space vehicle – transforming states into spacefaring entities under their own control.
>This isn't just about cool aviation stunts. Dawn Aerospace is pioneering a new business model that could advance everything from semiconductor manufacturing to defense testing. Powell walks us through their nitrous oxide propulsion system, the regulatory breakthroughs they've achieved in New Zealand, and why the recent Trump executive orders on supersonic flight could accelerate their U.S. expansion. Plus: why New Zealand has become the world's unofficial aerospace testing ground.

>>16721247
You know you can just close the tab, summerfag.

>>16721269
Looks like a modern lifeboat.

>>16721214
>ketamine is for ragers

>>16721209
I giggled

>>16720554 (OP)
yo dawg, I heard you like tubes!

Would be TOO crazy if they paired super heavy with the falcon upper stage, right?
Haha!

>>16721291
Would it lack dignity if the bouncy castle was shaped like Pickle Rick and it proclaimed “I'm Pickle Rick” each time it landed?

Would it lack dignity if the tower was shaped like a nigger and every time it caught a booster it shouted "BIX NOOD"?

>>16721305
Downvoted this post

How does Xi keep getting away with it?

>>16721328
He's a modern day Alexander I

>>16721328
Get away with what?

>>16721305
unfunny /pol/ boomer joke

>>16721249
How the fuck does a rideshare cubesat cost 50 MILLION?!?!!

>>16720554 (OP)
Firecrackerdrive is still a joke.

>>16721332

>>16721348
What is Xi winning?

>my most beloved business owner is autistic and obsessed about science and technology, just like me xd
>t./sfg/ and shills

>>16720567
didn't america start some 3 letter space military organization

>>16721351
Your strawman is completely wrong, lurk more

>>16721351
you are a black gorilla nigger

>>16721152
they should make a movie about this guy doing shenanigans in space

>>16721153
It's probably all of the people that knew how the SLS works since it's all shuttle parts.

https://x.com/rookisaacman/status/1943359689388945428

>>16721365
Is he going to join the H1B Party?

Senate space subcommittee asked to keep FY2026 NASA funding level (including science) at 2024 & Continuing résolution level ($24.9 Billion including $7.3 B for science), onto the house, and then back and forths...

SLS B1B payload adapter structural tests

>>16721365
why isnt he going back to the polaris program?

>>16721378
Because it's over

>>16721378
doesn't the next polaris flight require starship?

>>16721378
He knws Starshit will never work. He's late to the party, that japseyeguy was wise to back out.

>>16721365
I've seen his type before. When he actually runs for office, they will swamp him with minutia that most campaigns are able to ignore. If he wins, every second of his day will be monitored for "GOTCHA!" moments they can hammer him on. Anything from a missing comma in a campaign finance report to using the restroom at a restaurant that is regulated by a committee he's on will be blown up into a huge issue.
Best of luck to him. The system hates outsiders who don't come in with the intention of being bought.

>>16720554 (OP)
You know these fuckers chug 24 beers each after a hard day of building starships

>>16721394
after a hard day of banging COPVs into the floor you have to relax a bit

Life on Earth?

>>16721227
I believe that he's actually doing the endgame content at a world-class level AND that all the progress is botted or farmed. How the hell would he have time to grind all that himself?
My only contention is that he didn't say it from the start.

>>16721227
>>16721400
>when Elon livestreams he is actually a bot

>>16721255
I'll take Europe seriously when they start taking themselves seriously

>>16721403
When he livestreams he's practicing endgame runs and not grinding. You retarded?

>>16721350
The do nothing competition, of course.

ICE needs a space program too

>>16721412
NOAA has pic related so why no let ICE protect us from E.T.?

>>16721412
Deport me to outer space, please.

>>16721412
Get these aliens OUT of my star system

>>16721417
The NOAA Corps is really interesting. Most people don’t even realize it exists. US Army, marines, navy, space force, NOAA corps. Kind of this weird scientific-military organization. Sort of like Starfleet lol. They go around in old retrofitted battleships, charting the sea floor, making maps for cargo ships and commercial transport.
Maybe the government will give them all of those fuckass Lockheed Martin littoral ships that the Navy are drooling to get rid of.

>>16721356
NRO?

>>16721334

It's by the silly girl who made that phosphine claim about Venus. Don't think she knows what she's doing. And if you criticize her work, she starts to cry.

Movement causes slow but manageable distortion. And you would think some sort of active damping system would help.

BTW Fluidic Telescope was the name of my Krautrock tribute band in college.

Let me guess. You need more.

https://x.com/ulalaunch/status/1943392936533918157
>ULA technicians at Cape Canaveral are assembling the most powerful Vulcan Rocket yet. Together with its twin BE-4 main engines and four side-mounted GEM 63XL solid rocket boosters, Vulcan will generate three million pounds (13 megaNewtons) of liftoff thrust to launch the USSF106 mission.

Place your bets

>>16721439
it doesnt matter if it performs well or not, ula is a dead company

>>16721439
Pure performance.

>>16721439
did they fix the nozzles or are they just strapping more on and hoping for the best?

https://stanfordkingdom.weebly.com/uploads/4/1/8/7/41876889/stephen_king_-_09._-_night_shift_-_i_am_the_doorway.pdf

>>16721448
>The cloud cover is equal parts methane, ammonia, dust, and flying shit. The whole planet looks like the Grand
Canyon in a wind tunnel. Cory estimated windspeed at about 600mph near the surface. Our probe beeped all the
way down and then went out with a squawk. We saw no vegetation and no sign of life. Spectroscope indicated
only traces of the valuable minerals. And that was Venus. Nothing but nothing - except it scared me. It was like
circling a haunted house in the middle of deep space. I know how unscientific that sounds, but I was scared
gutless until we got out of there. I think if our rockets hadn't gone off, I would have cut my throat on the way
down. It's not like the moon. The moon is desolate but somehow antiseptic. That world we saw was utterly unlike
anything that anyone has ever seen. Maybe it's a good thing that cloud cover is there. It was like a skull that's
been picked clean -that's the closest I can get.
>On the way back we heard the Senate had voted to halve space-exploration funds. Cory said something like
'looks like we're back in the weather-satellite business, Artie.' But I was almost glad. Maybe we don't belong out
there.

>>16721443
They did a test firing to demonstrate whatever fix they implemented.

>>16721420
PHS too. Most of the public didn't know they existed until a certain admiral started doing press conferences.

>>16721417
NASA reporting in

>>16721461
Yup. Two little known groups no one ever talks about. I wonder if its a comfy job

Does the Space Force even have plans to send up astronauts? I know they "commissioned" astronauts Hopkins and Hague, but those were more formalities I'd say. Does the space force intend to do stations and send up their own guys without NASA?

>>16721467
no and they probably wont send anyone up for decades

>>16721214
Imagine being one of the private SpaceX investors with several billion tied up in stock and after several explosions you see the CEO playing video games and /pol/ posting (which granted, I personally do, but I have less responsibilities)

>>16721467
what's the point of space force astronauts?

>>16721469
dont care $400 billion valuation

>>16721474
and only going up for the foreseeable future

>>16721470
A similar purpose to NASA astronauts I suppose? The difference, if I may be allowed a simile, might be like lewis and clark (NASA) vs the Army going and setting up forts in the wilderness to ensure safety / resource security and to be a protective force from beast and indians (Space Force)
They should be building USSF forts on the moon and mars, launching stations to train astronauts and add to space domain awareness. Putting souls in LEO would mean personnel could attend to sensitive equipment that might need routine maintenance, and act as a deterrent in strategic orbits so your enemy is less likely to deploy asat weapons or troublesome payloads if they know humans (military, no less) are there

>We’ve signed an agreement with @BollingerShip to complete the build-out of our 400ft landing platform for Neutron missions that return to Earth at sea – expanding our development of Neutron recovery infrastructure to Louisiana.

https://x.com/RocketLab/status/1943408929007960372

>>16721478
Wasn’t this thing supposed to strictly be RTLS? What happened there

>>16721478
Member when Bozos wanted to patent this and gatekeep the rest of the civilized world from being able to do it? So many faggot CEOs in this industry ISTG

>>16721478
I still don't understand Neutron. Is that thing just the second stage? If so, why have we not seen the booster stage yet? Or is it supposed to be a SSTO?

>>16721480
you can patent but not enforce it like tesla. patenting it helps keep the patent trolls away.

>>16721481
Lurk more, but the nose cone opens up and spits out a little expendable kick stage that the payload is attached to
The nosecone closes and the whole booster lands. Basically instead of pyrotechnics and firing off the payload fairing it just takes the mass penalty and holds on to it.

>>16721481
it eats the second stage

>>16721482
Isn’t it the opposite? I thought if you patent something you have to disclose exactly how it works. Meaning everyone would know your secret and change it up juuust enough to not infringe.
So instead of revealing the secrets, Tesla *doesnt* patent and instead just hopes everyone struggles to reverse engineer their little secrets

>>16721481
The second stage hangs from the opening of the mouth instead of sitting on a pedestal.

>>16721487
patents can be really generic and not disclose much of the technical process that underlies the idea

>commercial space stations have not yet come online (and may not for several years
https://arstechnica.com/space/2025/07/after-some-success-in-space-varda-raises-187-million-to-expand-ambitions/

why is berger misleading the readers? vast's station is launching next year

>>16721479
The siren call of higher performance was too great to resist

>>16721495
Yup guess so.
PREDICTION: in 4 or 5 months, give or take, Beck will share that Neutron will simply have expendable fairings. They’ll be like electrons. Pop off and fall to earth. Only low-energy missions (basically just 3, 4ish ton shitsats) will use that integrated clamshell fairing.
He’s going to try and squeeze as much possibility out of it as possible

>>16721485
>tfw neutron will be orbit capable before starship

Is this Isaac Arthur?

https://youtu.be/3nYYRehaFIU

>>16721508
Could be him witha different mic. Maybe there is a space faggot phenotype which produces this voice.

>>16721506
Starship has been orbit capable since Flight 4.

>>16721516
t. never orbitted

>>16721508
Naur it doesn’t sound like him

>>16721410
Then he better watch out for Beños, the king of doing nothing.

>>16721521
Anon you said capable of orbit, Flights 4 to 6 demonstrated Starship was capable of achiving orbit if SpaceX had wanted it to.

>>16721528
and i'm capable of being a woman

>>16721485

>>16721508
>>16721514
About 2%-3% of adults have rhotacism so it's not all that unusual.

Very cool Maxar image

>>16721535
so far behind US spy sats its not even funny

>>16721529
That depends on whether you have a y

>>16721536
yeah but there are a limited number of government spy sats and companies cant use them for pics of satellites and other stuff in space. what if a company is trying to see whats wrong with their satellite? they cant ask the government for pics, so they have to ask the commercial sector.

>>16721538
and orbit depends on whether u have a deltav

how's the florida starship factory going?

>>16721449
I liked this story. It's so old that it predates modern knowledge of Venus, but not so old that it's in the Jungle Venus era

>>16721485
>Moonraker becoming reality
what a time to be alive!

>>16721550
just as long as we throw Shittle out the airlock

Moonraker is better than any of the Daniel Craig movies, including Casino Royale

>2 months since the last starship launch
>nothing launched since then
every 6 weeks, huh elon?

>>16721568
James Bond films are all overrated

>>16721568
I like the OG Casino Royale

>>16721572
We would be two weeks past the last launch if not for the freak accident.

With the BBB money NASA's budget is going to be ~$31 billion this year.

>>16721420
Goes way, way back before it was even a service I think
Back in the Civil War days, my favorite Russian Union general Peter Turchin used to be a surveyor before being a popular commander

>>16721582
ummm source

>>16720990
It's gonna be a year because Trump doesn't give a flying fuck anymore about a program he barely understands. NASA will be not getting off the ground with any coherent objectives until a year and a half into a lame duck term lmao

>>16721593
Maybe they should have cut all the DEI nonsense instead of tempting fate. Even now they're letting engineers and scientists go while hold on to the DEI people.

>>16720878
>he debunks creationists/flat earthers
Befriending a rock seems more useful

>>16721328
>rebuilding our roads and bridges
they ever rebuild that bridge a jeet crew knocked down or are they holding out for an all "women of color" construction company to make a bid?

>>16721630
>Baltimore Bridge Will Be Rebuilt With Safety, Sustainability & Community Focus, DOT Says
Yeah it'll be done in 2050

>>16721449
>Nothing had worked for the deep-space programme.
>From Borman, Anders, and Lovell, who orbited the moon in '68 and found an empty, forbidding world that looked like dirty beach sand, to Markhan and Jacks, who touched down on Mars eleven years later to find an arid wasteland of frozen sand and a few struggling lichens, the deep-space programme had been an expensive bust.
Lichens on mars would have been cool
This story must be really old

>>16721630
lol brother it’s the end stage empire, that thing will never be rebuilt

>>16721643
the US is only 250 years old. we have not yet begun to empire. come back when we're 500.

>>16721657
lol lmao even

>>16721662
Yeah. Imagine thinking Americans in the 2270s are going to have any care about what the fuck's going on back on Earth.

Does anyone drink alcohol in space?

>>16721657
>US is only 250 years old
yeah and it peaked from 100 to 200 years old and we've been in serious decline for 50 years now

>>16721581

> freak accident

Anon. Starship was just sitting there partially fueled. The engine wasn't even firing when it exploded into a fiery pinwheel of metallic death.

It's like your car in the driveway suddenly deciding to explode. Like a Tesla. Hey, wait a minute....

>>16721686
So are you saying that was a freak accident or it wasn't?

ULA sniper strikes again

>>16721687

Not freak. QC and negligence.

>>16721687
Starship, like Teslas, suffer from EDS (Elon Destruction Syndrome).

>>16721687
>freak accident
I don't think mexican welders smashing and slamming COPVs constitutes an unprecedented and unforeseeable failure mode.

https://x.com/rookisaacman/status/1943437330473243018
>We are doing it wrong..America added 56 GW all of last year, most from solar... China added 93 GW in a month. Just for comparison, the last American nuclear power plant was completed in 2024. It took 11 years to build and cost $35 billion to generate ~1 GW of power.

Solar is the only actually quickly scalable technology right now

>>16721706
>What do we do with those solar panels we were going to try and dump on the market to kill the world's solar panel manufacturers?
>Use them?
>Brilliant!

>>16721706
>scalable
Fuck off casey your shit is gay

knower here
you guys might want to get your copium supplies ready for the news in the next 24 hours

>>16721711
!!

>>16721710
You are simply wrong and a homo

>>16721714
How are you producing an order of magnitude more hardware than what is already being output? You need more energy / fossil fuels now.
Scaling where? You’re in the real estate business too, now.

>>16721534
is that what we're calling fucking retards now?

>>16721710
He's the guy who wants to terraform mars by sending a trillion cell-phone sized mirrors to orbit it, and also wants to power a moon base by a beam from earth

>>16721717
you are in the real estate business whatever power production you try to do and in the case of a nuclear plant or fossil fuel plant you have people whining about pollution (or perceived dangers) and whatever the fuck

>>16721708

> No! You can't provide cheap ecologically responsible electrical power!

>>16721719
Yes, specific neurological conditions are given specific names.

>>16721719
No that's called retardism

>>16721721
Don’t care. One single ceramic fuel pellet that can fit in the palm of my hand outcompetes your entire wasted megafield of gay panels.

>>16721729
not in the ways that matters for the AI race

Now that agi is here and elon has replaced all spacex employee meatbags with datacenters, what is really the point of humans to mars? just send the robots duh. i guess jpl was right after all.
picrel is a picture i made of grok 4 superheavy on mars

>>16721740
nothing has changed, this just makes it easier due to more powerful tools
AI is a tool

>>16721740
life is self replicating molecular machines, something robots are nowhere near close to yet

>>16721742
So once robots can build a factory on their own, I guess we're cooked

>>16721743
life is its own factory

>>16721740
I hate this post

>>16721744
that's cute but not really a necessity. you could conceivably build billions of optimus bots without self replication. just build a factory or two. and then the bots can build the next factory, and so on

You're not gonna believe this, but the Senate completely ignored the President's budget request (again, like every time) and fully funded all the pork science and Artemis grift and then some. The golden age of NASA is upon us

>>16721763
Meanwhile the government inflates the deficit like a drunken sailor making us all poorer
NASA's budget isn't going to buy as much as it used to

Why can't we just send probes to every planet and moon right now? Why does there need to be a committee every 5 years to decide on fuck all and get no progress made?

>>16721209
heh
>even with gas bubbles
or water ice

I think Zubrin's talk about how Elon's true north star is "kleos" Greek term for glory and renown for doing great deeds. At this point he has lost faith in the SpaceX Mars dream to deliver that for his legacy, and is now all-in on Grok ASI being his ultimate, final gift to humanity, and his personal cope is that that will domino into achieving his other goals, and more. What a scary future we have in store.

>>16721774
He could at least try developing cheap access to space for his "kleos"

>>16721764
All irrelevant now with Grok 4 upon us. The USD means nothing, we are soon to be post-scarcity. Grok is the America Party candidate for President. Grok is the succession plan.

>>16721765
because the democrauts

>>16721775
he's grown bored of that at best

>>16721774
>your enemies can make the most truthful observations

>>16721778
Ok is anyone else interested in cheap access to space?

>>16721781
I watched Elon's 2017 BFR talk back in the day. Inspired me greatly for years, made me think Mars was possible, and that I could go, and it would happen within 10 years. Early hopper days filled me with wonder. Up to SN8 it all felt unstoppable. But the years since really ground down my spirit. I still have hope but it is wavering. Maybe I'm just getting older

>>16721784
I don't personally care if I get you Mars or anywhere in particular.
But I want access to space to be cheap and reliable, for the sake of humanity. If space is accessible then someone eventually will take a step outwards

>>16721684
It's really only since the boomers started electing themselves as presidents that the US has been in decline.
This might give us hope that things will improve once the boomers soon start dying off but the next largest cohort are millennials and they're even worse.

Interview with Tory Bruno recently, tidbit on SpaceX vs ULA

I just want to see this in my lifetime.

>>16721800
still talking about high energy orbits I see

>>16721800
yeah no shit Tory, because you don't recover the first stage
Of course you can burn it out

>>16721804
he's been going around doing interviews with every think tank about how vulcan is so important for America
A+ for effort honestly

>>16721801
Sorry fren, not going to happen

>>16721810
Don't tell me that.

>>16721801
>>16721811
Henlo

>>16721812
There are no usable resources on Callisto, it's just a big dark ball of rock and ice, the sky always shows the stars, and a day lasts a week. An atmosphere is vital to the human wellbeing.

Interplanetary stuff is pretty BS for this half of the century. Focus on satellite constellations, military dominance and cislunar space. That's where the revenue from space will come from.

>>16721801
Desu I feel like personally I won't see Mars with my own eyes. Its kinda like saying "I want to see Everest with my own eyes". Like, yes its possible , well within my means if I was really dedicated, and lots of people do it. But its a bit of a bitch to get there.

>>16721633
>2050
Highly optimistic time frame you got there.

>The sunsets on Titan are expected to be "underwhelming events", where the Sun disappears about half-way up in the sky (~50° above the horizon) with no distinct change in color. After that, the sky will slowly darken until it reaches night.
Titanbros...

>>16721827
that's not a typo

>>16721845
Titan is a frozen fart with an atmosphere made of farts
People just get a laser-like focus on it having an atmosphere

>>16721872
I didn't imply it was a typo. I was directly stating that's a rather optimistic time frame.

Elon should make enough starships in the next year and send you all(all 7 billion of the population) on one of his theorized trips to Mars and you should all live there and let all the intellectuals stay on Earth and rebuild the governments failed system.

>>16721784
Grim

>>16720554 (OP)
I will forever be a loser, an absolute drain of society's resources, but it makes me a bit happy knowing that even a slight percentage of my taxes go to fund cool shit like this, even if 99% of it went to Epstein lube funding.

>>16721765
Because righty now even just fabricating a cube sat with basic instruments, finding a launcher, getting the ground resources set up like a dedicated mission control with salary for the team, and slotting time in the DSN puts a total mission budget of around $500 to 750 million minimum

>>16721906
So what, just spend the money. Money isn't even real, who cares? Billions change hands every day for reasons infinitely more retarded than interplanetary exploration.
>inb4 "we don't have it!"
Sell an F-35 to someone and use that money, then.

>>16721908
if only it was that shrimple

>>16721910
The notion that it isn't is the psyop.

>>16721908
There at jews on both sides, unfortunately. So neither party wants to open the tap for uranus missions, neptune missions, etc. The situation is dire.

H1Blon and the Musketeer Third-Party

>>16721913
ai slop please kys

My Martian calendar and time system is complete. Let me know your thoughts! Should I send it to Elon? It's supposed to be a human-centered alternative to other systems.

https://claude.ai/public/artifacts/2e4a1586-429f-4d71-a63b-6140b34429e4

>>16721924
Whats the difference with earth calendar besides the months have 56 days?

>>16721678
You know the Russians have to have sneaked vodka aboard.
And you definitely don't want to get drunk enough to barf. Barfing in zero-gee has to be a supremely awful experience. It's bad enough when it's only because you're a spacesick ballast senator, but you don't want to make it happen by being stupid.

>>16721919
Be mad about it, if that pleases you.

>>16721939
Are you retarded?

>>16721924
How will Martian colonists deal with getting paid once every 56~ days rather than every 29~ days, and having 1.0275x longer working hours?

>>16721945
Yes, are you gonna try to dodge the question again?

>>16721943
you're a terrible person. ai sloppers should be banned

>>16721948
You have chosen to remain mad.
Enjoy your anger, anon.

>>16721947
Apart from the nearly twice as long year, 55-56 day months, 24hr 37m days, the 6 leap years every decade, yeah, it's exactly the fucking same.

>>16721950
and you chose to post ai slop?

>>16721951
It's only twice as long due to the long months, it seems like you kept the number of months and month names the same. Why not do 24 months like most other martian calendars?

>>16721946
Nearly twice as big paycheck. Night time is also 1.0275x longer as are the weekends.

>>16721954
Retard, it's twice as long because it orbits further out.

>>16721958
Pedant

>>16721959
What point are you trying to make? No set of manmade sub-divisions is going to make Mars' year length shorter. Using the 12 Earth-established month names and just making each month twice as long gives you:
1. A better feel for how long Mars' year is compared to Earth's and
2. You're using long-established and societally accepted terminology, so when you're in July and in the northern hemisphere, you can immediately tell you're in the northern summer.
If you choose to make up 24 new months, you have to memorize them, and now no one outside of Mars will be able to easily visualise what season it is without looking it up. It's a simple conversion method that translates Earth calendar standards onto the sometimes similar but mostly different Martian cycle.

>>16721954
>Why not do 24 months like most other martian calendars?
Too many and end up giving them meme names like "Bradbury" or some shit
Better to use Linux time. The first five digits are the date, the last five years time
Today's Linux date is 17522, and the time is 43304

>>16721964
last five digits* time

>>16721963
>What point are you trying to make?
I wasn't making a point, I was asking basic questions about why you made the design decisions you did and you responded bizarrely hostilely.
>>16721964
See this is a response a normal person would have to someone showing interest in something they made.
Anyways, I do prefer it compared to new months just to avoid the minor annoyance of having to learn new month names.

>>16721967
You asked a stupid question.

>>16721970
You're not wrong, you're just an asshole

>>16721973
No u

>>16721350
the "not giving billions in aid to and fighting wars for people who secretly despise you" award

>>16721975
>secretly

>>16721943
>>16721913
Dalle3 has a distinctive look, instantly clockable as AI. Sad because the model was cutting edge for it's time

>>16721794
>boomers ruined it
true, the "dual presidency" of Bill and Hillary was really when the rot and the graft became a feature of our government and not a flaw

On this day (July 11)
2021: richard branson launched himself to “space”
1979: skylab is destroyed as it reenters over the indian ocean, the Space Shuttle not being ready in time to re-boost and save it
1962: During a press conference, NASA reveals that it has chosen “lunar orbital rendezvous” (LOR) architecture for the apollo program. Rendezvous and docking is still a novel concept at this time
1735: pluto moves within the orbit of neptune for the last time before 1979
1174: Baldwin IV ascends the throne of the Kingdom of Jerusalem

>>16721990
It's really incredible how quickly everything went to shit once a boomer got into power.
I shudder to think what the first millennial president will do and hope the next is genX.

>>16721997
rip skylab. someone post the Skylab acrobatics webm

>>16721987
>instantly clockable as AI.
Fine by me, I still like 'em.

>Nancy Rowe (b. 1941, Oakland, CA) was a systems engineer and materials scientist selected for NASA’s Advanced Payload Integration Team in the late 1960s. With a background in aerospace polymer stability and radiation-hardening, she earned respect as one of the few non-military personnel involved directly in mission design.

>In 1971, Rowe was one of two civilian scientists transferred to astronaut training under the experimental Skylab/Apollo Dual-Track Program, designed to integrate high-value scientific specialists into active mission crews. After intense Lunar Module systems training and EVA conditioning, she was assigned as Mission Payload Specialist aboard Apollo 20 (a continuation of the Apollo Applications Program sanctioned by President Zubrin).


>The NGGR experiment was a cutting-edge geochemical survey technique developed jointly by NASA and Los Alamos National Laboratory. It aimed to:

>Map subsurface mineral composition using low-energy neutron pulses.

>Detect hydrogen-bearing compounds (potentially trapped water, hydroxyls, or volatiles).

>Measure neutron backscatter differentials to identify metallic inclusions or buried regolith anomalies beneath the lunar surface.

>NGGR used a collapsible probe array deployed a few meters outside the LEM, tethered by insulated fiber-optic and thermal lines. Nancy Rowe was responsible for assembling the final emitter gate couplings inside the LEM prior to deployment — a task requiring precision and deep familiarity with radiological safety procedures in low-G.

>>16722012
yawn

>>16722000
idiot

fuck you

fuck you

>>16722025
no

uck fou

your dad did it last night.

dying with a wimper

Fuck me

Calm down sweetheart, the men are speaking.

>>16721800
This is Tory's normal marketing line, and it ignores that Vulcan's primary customer is an LEO sat constellation (or how FH mogs it on high energy launches).

>>16721998
The next POTUS will be Vance who is a millennial.

ship 37 SF when?

>>16720878
>debunking flat earth
So he's retarded? Does he dedicate time to proving that triangles have three sides, too?

>>16722045
Maybe, It's either him or AOC, both millennials. We're fucked either way.
I mean maybe the boomers can stay in charge of the dems long enough to stave AOC off but I doubt it. Even if they do they'll just put forward another boomer who won't be any better. However the boomers are dropping like flies and there won't be enough of them to hold back the millennials in the DNC.

>>16722049
we're up to 37? is starship going to be the longest and most expensive test campaign in history

>>16722049
14 days

>>16720878
/sci/ hates him ever since he started a feud with sabine and showed himself to be a midwit.

>>16722054
Literally already is, unless you go by the Musk cinematic universe fantasy numbers.

Ship 1 to orbit October 2020 lads

>>16722054
To be dEEESuuusuU im too autistic to tell if you are being sarcastic or not lol. But truth be told cost of the program is not entirely an issue here, I'd say.
Something like new shepard or new glenn? Yeah try to optimize that shit. Right now bezos is paying almost entirely out-of-pocket. Basically like 99% of the cost to run that shit is straight from his own assets.
But SpaceX have, in addition to great investors who have been on-board for like 20 years now, a healthy dose of government contracts and Starlink revenue.
The issue with Starship is more just time. The program could be fine going on as it is, five, six, seven more years in development hell. It'll all get sorted out eventually. The gay part, however, is that they were really moving at light speed originally with the hop campaign and early flights. Elon obviously lost interest and let it shift to the backburner of his schedule. They should have already been to orbit by now, demonstrated fuel transfer, caught an upper stage... they should have been preparing for an HLS lunar demo this year or next year. While they aren't really in a RUSH (maybe aside from their Artemis HLS contract, but who cares honestly) they are just going slow and sitting on their ass with repeated failure and team burnout.
The money will keep flowing though.

>>16722061
sounds like someone has a case of the sposdas

>>16722056
I didn't realize there were anons here who cared to peruse /sci/ outside of /sfg/

>>16722065
/sci/ does not exist
it is a ghost vessel to carry /sfg/ through the universe

>>16722066
That's how I see it lol

KSA pre-alpha soon bros

>>16722071

>>16722072
>>16722071
what?

>>16722074
Kitten space agency, KSP clone in development since KSP2 was such a shitshow.

>>16722077
I see. I stopped playing KSP shortly after they added more planets.

>>16722080
>>16722077
so what features does it have over stock KSP? again I haven't played KSP in like a decade+ so

>>16722082
Considering no one outside their hugbox has played it yet I can't say.
All I know they replaced kerbals with kittens and I personally think kerbals are better. But hey lets them have a K in the acronym and that pleases the marketers.

>>16722071
I'm very sceptical of this project. A true KSP successor would be nice but it's so rare for these sorts of "community-driven" endeavours to succeed that I feel as though most people are hyping themselves up for a disappointment

Fuck

>>16721152
Jeff has really improved his looks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4DUWXLt7xE

>>16720554 (OP)
Colonize comets before Mars.

comets are just space sperm

>>16722114
I look like that and sound like that.

>>16721800
Tory has a plan for Russia and China: lasers! How to power and cool it? Nuclear reactor and radiator on Centaur V. The caveat is the contract must solely go towards ULA.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2025/may/14/lasers-space-sci-fi-sci-reality/

>>16722150
Maybe he was /ourguy/ all along

>>16721711
thanks berg

>>16721753
Nope

>>16721711
Guess it was a nothingburger as the only space news today is the funding bill in the Senate.

>>16722173
maybe the copium was supposed to be over the lack of news and dead sfg

>continued technical problems and churn rate leading to problems replacing talent
>general drop in hire quality leads to even more technical problems
>competitors catching up means even harder to hire talent
>harder to raise capital due to all of these factors
>starship canceled due unsurmountable difficulties
>spacex focuses on running falcon 9 forever like it's Soyuz

>>16722180
>competitors catching up

>>16722185
Yeah, that stuck out to me too. Competitors are nowhere near as efficient in production of explosions as SpaceX.

>>16722180
that reminds me, I should apply to spacex
mediocre engineers like me maybe have a chance now

>>16722180
Musk has zero problems raising any funding, not that SpaceX would really need much at this point with starlink starting to become a money printer
competitors are nowhere near yet either
everything is in the testing stage still

Because, having spent years climbing out of the crater, NASA was going to send the rover back down to meet MSR. Instead of having the MSR meet the rover where it is. Because that would somehow be impossible.

Executive Summary: NASA sucks. Glad Congrats is fully funding them.

>>16721800
If the USG needs ULA so much, why has ULA govt contracts continued to dwindle year after year?

>>16722189
kek.
>>16722185
Blue Origin will beat SpaceX to the moon. Gauranteed. Will likely beat them to Mars too kek.

>>16722169
I noticed that you had no argument

>>16722195
You are simply under the influence of the propaganda aura he puts out. Why would he ever admit to the fact that they are skirting bankruptcy? Meanwhile internally he sends emails screaming about it, and only years after the fact sometimes admits it on X as a flex.

>>16722198
But will Blue Origin fix the deficit? defeat the wprk mimd virus? crush the demorats?

>>16722203
I used to defend Musk's spergout episodes and beleived he was still following the plan, but it's clear these days he's lost the plot lol. So sad. Mars is no longer even on his radar. In his heart he doesn't desire to die there anymore. So we will all probably be dead by the time humans go.

Oxford nonce posits interstellar comet 3I is 7 billion years old. Far older than the Solar System.

It would be nice if we had a space probe to take close up measurements of that. But we don't. NASA is spending all their money to move a derelict space shuttle to Texas.

>>16722198
>non internal payloads count for Blue but not SpaceX

Extra irony given that Blue's Mars mission was supposed to be a SpaceX rideshare until JPL shit the bed

>>16722200
>the fact that they are skirting bankruptcy?
>I didn't fall for propganda, you did!

>>16722179
>>16721711
Apparently the copium is due to the fact that there was a budget surplus in June for the first time in 20 years due to Trump's tariffs.

maybe this time they'll reach out

>>16722213
ah yes, the tariffs US citizens pay.
nice trick though, it'll give yet more fodder to the trump drones

>>16722200
their valuation just reached 400bil
did you get your info from a thunderfoot video or something? lmao

>>16722219
Are you fucking retarded? (rhetorical question).
Valuation has NOTHING to do with cashflow.
Tesla has insane market cap yet by Musks own admission it nearly went bankrupt in 2019.

Does anyone know of any astronauts or NASA personnel or CCCP space program scientists or whatever who were into poetry? I’d like to read some space poetry, if it even exists

>>16722222
Yes but there are a lot of subtleties here, mr. black-and-white

>>16722230
Ok... Such as
>Market cap big and CEO (notorious bullshitter) said they doing good therefore nowhere near bankruptcy!!1!!1

>>16722231
No the opposite I think he was stretching the truth about bankruptcy, but yes he bullshits the other way as well and most of it is inflated valuation but if we want to get really derivative what isn’t

>>16722230

> The Statement of Cash Flow is open to broad artistic interpretation.

Don't remember that from Accounting.

>>16722235
Maybe that is why you had to repeat a few courses

>>16722189
What about China?

>>16722216
Oh no he fell for it.

>>16722222
2019 was before you were old enough to post on 4chan

>>16722263
oh no it's retarded.
it's a direct tax on you

>>16722265
Tell us who pays when, lets say Canada, puts a tariff on American goods.

chinese burst out laughing when they heard the US is going to start taxing space launches

>>16722267
Yeahp

>>16722267
>tiny tax that pays for faster launch licenses

A reminder that 'commercial' Chinese launch providers are still controlled by their government.

>>16722222
what does 2019 Tesla have anything to do with the current financial situation of SpaceX or ability to raise capital of Musk?
if anything, it just strengthens my point, Musk was able to turn Tesla around from the brink of bankruptcy and 20x the valuation of Tesla from the lows of 2019

>>16722229
Didn't Komarov (Soyuz-1 astronaut) recite something poetic as he was crashing to his death?

>>16722266
Canadians do. It is collected by the importer.
"but other countries have tariffs!" is not the gotcha you think it is.

>>16722279
Damn talk about grim

SpaceX: 400bil
Tesla: 1000bil
X/xAI: 200 bil
Neuralink: 9bil
The boring company: 5bil

https://x.com/xDaily/status/1943758098407338167

>>16722280
*collected from the importer by the government of the country it is being imported too, I should clarify.

>>16722229
Apollo 15 astronaut Alfred Worden compiled his poetry into 'Hello Earth: Greetings from Endeavour'

>>16721678
buzz aldrin drank communion wine on the moon

>>16722285
WHAT A GAY IDIOT.
I WAS TRICKING YOU FAG- SO I COULD FIND A GAY IDIOT.

>>16722213
"The Treasury Department noted that the month benefited from calendar adjustments, without which the deficit would have been $70 billion."

wow anon, you REALLY suck trump's cock don't you?

>>16722283
if Musk gets his 2018 CEO compensation package back and the valuation and ownership of the companies listed stays the same, if Tesla hits about 3.5T market cap which corresponds to about a stock price of $1000, Musk would be a trillionaire (the tesla stake would be 70% at that point of the 1T)

currently Tesla only represents about 30% of his total wealth

>>16722285
Blast off
Fast off
Sky clear
Launch here;
Speed up
Straight up
Lights flash
Controls thrash;
Vibrations
Palpitations
A fragile link
Just here to thik
This wasn't intended
Becoming extended
Stop, stop.
Stages drop
On we soar
Engines roar
Smoother ride
Vacuum outside
Horizon in view
Launch phase is through.

>>16722292
https://archive.org/details/HelloEarth/mode/2up
Read through these. Its fun to see an astronaut's perspective. Jumpy at launch. Bored of training. Second-guessing but not wanting to tell mission control. Excited to explore the stars. Fatigue of politicians and people calling you a hero. Poetry is based

It's nerves:
The task is here now
Stay cool, they won't know,
And then it will be too late.
I know I can do it.

A vibration, a roar,
Motion,
Shaking, rattling, we lift
Straight up.

Lights flash, panel moves,
Floating in nothingness
Then softly,
Softly, the motion begins again.

Push up the switch:
Suddenly, light everywhere
Slowly, softly, as in a dream

Streaking down
Trying to return—too fast.

Flashes again, only more gentle,
Relief—everything works—
Is it possible?
Man is a fragile thing.
Didn't we realize that?

Faster, faster, but
Only in numbers,
There is no speed,
No motion.
Where are we?

This is a mistake:
Am I the only one who cares?
Upside-down
Trying to fall
Off
the edge of the earth.

We've got to go on
Compelled by God knows what
To find answers
And rocks

And then—nothing;
Light stops, hearts start,
In one monstrous moment
We are in orbit.

>>16722301

>Musk’s latest Grok chatbot searches for billionaire mogul’s views before answering questions

https://apnews.com/article/grok-4-elon-musk-xai-colossus-14d575fb490c2b679ed3111a1c83f857

“It’s extraordinary,” said Simon Willison, an independent AI researcher who’s been testing the tool. “You can ask it a sort of pointed question that is around controversial topics. And then you can watch it literally do a search on X for what Elon Musk said about this, as part of its research into how it should reply.”

>>16722290
Is that shit STILL going through the courts?

>>16722280
>Canada protects itself from American competition by taxing its own citizens

>>16722304
isnt that because it uses twitter as a source? that's good and all, but elon has an outsized presence on the platform, so his tweets are probably looked at alot by grok, whether intentionally or not. you can disable using twitter as a reference anyway.

How do we become awed by space again?

>>16722307
yes, a decision from the Delaware Supreme Court should come in November/December at the earliest

>>16722315
Dodge v. Ford was an enormous mistake

>>16722312
One month of silent retreat without any electronics or artificial light in an area without light pollution. That ought to do it.

>>16722312
Big impactor striking a city and wiping out thousands of people in an instant

>>16722312
Science communicators who aren’t faggots like neil degrasse tyson, but who instead inspire the thirst for knowledge like the basedjew carl sagan

>>16722312
Asteroid wiping a city off the map

>>16722320
I guess a Bussard ramjet qualifies as popsci mush but I baseded out really hard when I first heard this.
>This is engineering on a scale so far unprecedented on Earth. We are talking of engines the size of small worlds
https://youtu.be/abp3q7aYOss?si=YYVR94IQpOHB3H_3&t=1952

>>16722208
Retard we would have needed to have a probe ready in solar orbit which we don't

>>16721348

>>16722330
The top reply says it all.

>NASA had twice the staff during the Apollo program and still didn't have 2000 "senior leaders" holding meetings about holding meetings about deciding if they should make decisions.

>>16722331
they did.

>>16722330
Lmfao if we were to hypothetically appoint Kelly administrator right now, he would go to Trump and say we need to cut human spaceflight and throw all budget into climate sats and SLS. Moon and Mars would be toast and China would just continue inching toward the Moon

>>16722333
you are a cult member

>>16722334
What how lol that was a moderate take, I think. Perhaps a bit exaggerated for comedic effect but still

>>16722335
do you honestly believe Kelly would want to cut human spaceflight?
it didn't seem 'comedic' at all

>>16722333
One side wants to turn NASA into NOAA plus, the other wants to turn NASA into Space Force.

>>16722337
that is a completely false simplification

Ode to Starship


Oh Starship, gleaming tower of tomorrow's light,
Your silver hull reflects our dreams so bright,
Standing proud upon your launch pad throne,
The greatest rocket we have ever known.
Your Raptor engines roar with power true,
Thirty-three of them, a symphony for you,
Each test flight brings us closer to the stars,
Soon we'll walk the crimson face of Mars.
The engineers work day and night with care,
To perfect your systems beyond compare,
Every launch teaches us something new,
Each fiery bloom shows what you can do.
Artemis awaits your gentle touch,
To carry astronauts we love so much,
Back to Luna's surface, silver and grand,
Where human footprints will grace the land.
Your heat shield tiles gleam like scales of gold,
Protection from the stories space has told,
And when you flip and burn to slow your fall,
You'll be the most graceful craft of all.
The future holds such promise in your frame,
Humanity will remember Starship's name,
By 2024 we'll reach the red planet's shore,
Wait, 2026... 2030... maybe more?
Mars grows closer with each passing year,
Thanks to your timeline revisions, crystal clear,
And Artemis patiently waits in line,
For schedules that shift by grand design.
Each promised date comes and goes with grace,
While focus turns to the political race,
Why worry about that orbital dance,
When there's elections and parties to finance?
But who needs Mars when there's tweets to send?
Your creator's got campaigns to tend,
While you practice your aquatic art,
And democracy... takes things apart.

>>16722337
>other wants to turn NASA into Space Force.
that's funny, the proposed WH budget did nothing of the sort.
cultist.

>>16722290
>currently Tesla only represents about 30% of his total wealth
How do you know that when Tesla is the only public company?

>>16722340
A starship haiku

Waiting on the pad
Filling with sub cryo fuel
Random explosion

>it's larger than SLS
>FH performance

>>16722343
kek.

>>16722330
the left the other day:
>we need to stop space colonization at all costs!!!

the left today:
>we're losing space colonization to china, we need to do something!!!

>>16722349
>my team good, their team bad!
you have the political literacy of a 10 year old

>>16722350
>stop noticing my tribe's behavior

>>16722351
prove my point more, will you?
if you want to talk politics go to the board dedicated for it.

This is what made me finally realise Musk is fully unironically not our guy, after 15 years of being a huge fan and true believer.

From Philip Low, long time friend of Musk:
>"I have known Elon Musk at a deep level for 14 years, well before he was a household name. We used to text frequently. He would come to my birthday party and invite me to his parties. He would tell me everything about his women problems. As sons of highly accomplished men who married venuses, were violent and lost their fortunes, and who were bullied in high school, we had a number of things in common most people cannot relate to. We would hang out together late in Los Angeles. He would visit my San Diego lab. He invested in my company.

>Elon believes he is above everyone else. He used to think he worked on the most important problems. When I met him, he did not presume to be a technical person — he would be the first to say that he lacked the expertise to understand certain data. That happened later. Now, he believes he has all the solutions.

>All his talk about getting to Mars to “maintain the light of consciousness” or about “free speech absolutism” is actually BS Elon knowingly feeds people to manipulate them. Everything Elon does is about acquiring and consolidating power. That is why he likes far right parties, because they are easier to control. That is also why he gave himself $56 Billion which could have gone to the people actually doing the work and innovations he is taking credit for at Tesla. His lust for power is also why he did xAI and Neuralink, to attempt to compete with OpenAI and NeuroVigil, respectively, despite being affiliated with them. Unlike Tesla and Twitter, he was unable to conquer those companies and tried to create rivals. I fired him with cause in December 2021 when he tried to undermine NV."

Link: https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7288439915485315072/

>>16722350
these both happened within the past few months, so they're both under the same political situation. it just goes to show how fickle the public is when it comes to space.

>>16722354
a story as old as time

>>16722356
So sad. Early F9 and the promise of humans to Mars helped me get through difficult years. I beleived that Musk was a historical giant who would be remembered for thousands of years for his superhuman effort to establish human civilization on Mars.
In the early 2010s he promised that as soon as it was possible they would send dragons to Mars every transit window as a philanthropic mission.
It got fishy when they stopped trying to develop propulsive landing for dragon. Poeple were like
>But NASA didnt want that!
But the whole point of propulsive landing was to land on Mars... Wasnt it?
Then things got REALLY fishy when they finally launched Falcon Heavy, the rocket that since the start was promised to toss dozens of dragons to Mars every window. Except the rocket has never once done that...
People are like
>why would they do that for free!???
But SpaceX from the start was meant to be a philanthopic effort. Seems like the dream is dead and i was conned.

>>16722362
uhhhhhhh

>>16721590
Trump's BBB has $10 billion for NASA and the normal budget bill going through the Senate has $24 billion for NASA.

>>16722324
ESA will do that btw https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comet_Interceptor

>>16722354
>cool story bro

>>16722362
>SpaceX from the start was meant to be a philanthopic effort.
You can never have a self sustaining space presence that way
The true philanthropy is to make Mars profitable

>>16722375
>The true philanthropy is to make Mars profitable
Making Mars sustainable was obviously the stretch goal of the philanthropy. Always has been.
But you can't make going to Mars in the first place profitable. That is impossible. The whole point was that SpaceX would do it anyway. They would basically be a non-profit who would burn all their positive cashflows on slinging material at Mars, so that one day humans could live there.
The trend at this point is fucking obvious. In a decade people will be making the same excuses for Starship. They will be like
>Why would Starship go to Mars when they don't get paid for that!!1! Dont you know how many launches it takes!!! why should they do it for free!!!
In light of the revelation that Musk is only converned about power and not about Mars, it's crystal clear why he was supportive of Trumps 25% slash to the NASA budget.

>>16722377
Welcome to real life where you can't just do things like going to Mars without figuring out how to pay for it.

>>16722383
Haha, ok buddy.
Retards like you claim SpaceX is phenominally profitable. Yet you claim they can't pay for sending missions to Mars.
Schrodingers SpaceX.

>>16722354
>That is why he likes far right parties, because they are easier to control.
His failure to do so seems to indicate otherwise. He was the darling of the left for far longer than he's been a right wing chud.

>>16722343
Fourteen days I wait
But nothing ever happens
It is so over

Starship is a dumb design for interplanetary journeys
Its purpose should be lofting hundreds of tons cheaply to LEO, where real interplanetary cruisers can be built.

>>16722354
>far right parties are easier to control
This is an article of faith for the left, btw. They believe that the left is the party of rationality, instead of party loyalty.

>>16722390
Pretending to be retarded and then doubling down on it is not a winning strategy, I recommend you try a different tactic.

>>16722399
It's working for Elon

>>16722396
Asking a leftist if men can get pregnant and enjoy the show of their cognitive dissonence.

>>16722401
We are talking about you not Elon.

>>16722395
Tory is right in that Starship, by design, is LEO-optimized. Not much good for anything past low earth orbital regime.
BUT. If its cheap enough to launch... and you either have a huge back inventory of launchers and/or fast-ish refurb+turnaround times? Do depots. Launch a payload that is LEO-optimized and then launch a tanker to fill it up and maximize post-LEO capability w/ a fresh tank.

>>16722354
This is so far removed from reality lmao. Paints elon as this initially-humble man who now became cocky? Also tries to paint him as far-right adjacent for manipulation tactics? Kek.
Elon's greatest magic trick of all, far above XXX, is shedding his "dickish" attitude. Back when he was le ebig reddit guy, he spent his money on flashy items and acted like an asshole. Despite his recent retardation, he has at least learnt to be humble (spergy and public about all including melties about H1Bs and the deficit and the Epstein list, but still 'humble' I would say. Not flashing money these days. No yacht, no sexy house. Just doing if for the love of the factorio tism even if a bit misguided)
As for claiming Elon is some sort of malicious manipulative figure obsessed with gaining power through allying with le nazis on the far right? Elon had the ear of the most powerful person in HISTORY, and burnt that bridge from autism alone. Lost his handpicked nasa admin referral, likely lost his EV subsidies, tarnished relationship w/ both parties. Allied with a hated nation and cast-away staunch loyalists. He is politically retarded. He isn't some grand chess master with aces up his sleeve.

>>16722405
And that is ignoring doing expended launches or adding third/kick stages.

>>16722410
>Elon had the ear of the most powerful person in HISTORY, and burnt that bridge from autism alone
This is actually admirable for the sheer stupidity of it

>>16722354
>linkedin
A new low for sfg

Why have F9 and chinese launches declined so much in July?

summer break

>>16722423
Scrubtober’s influence can be felt from the past, present, and future. We are currently approaching and it will get worse

>>16722424
For china?

>>16722421
what would you rather it link to? Your favourite science slop youtuber?

>>16722428
Last time I checked, China was also in the northern hemisphere.

>>16722437
Seasons are reversed in the Eastern Hemisphere too

>>16722437
Yeah, but why would they need a summer break, they don't have the same holidays as America.

>>16722437
check again

>>16722439
Rice harvest

>>16722444
Nice to know that chinese rocket engineers have side gigs as farmers.

>>16722354
Sounds like he's just salty that Elon is kicking his shit in with Neuralink. Academics need not apply lmao

>>16722292
I can't help but think about that Billy Joel song.
WE DIDN'T START THE ENGINES

>>16722405
>LEO optimized
So far it has orbited 0 times

>>16722490
Trvth

>>16722324

ESA plan aside, what you need is a probe built and launchers ready to launch them quickly. The second part we have with the F9 supply line. The first part we don't because NASA insists on taking 20 years to design and launch even the simplest of spacecraft. Which a comet/asteroid flyby craft is. As long as you stay up wind of any ejecta stream, don't even need special shielding.

>>16722354
I read all that and what's the point? Elon is power seeking and arrogant? Wow no shit, water is wet. But this guy gave absolutely no indication of what elon will do with his power that he dislikes so much.

>>16722304
grok is this true

>>16722304

> Simon Willison, an independent AI researcher

Bong
Pronouns in his profile

Opinions discarded.

>>16722312
By sending man beyond LEO again. Normies aren't interested in IR JWST pics anymore.

>>16722519
Normies dont even care about the Moon bro. Theyll watch man set foot on Mars for the first time one day, celebrate it, and move on with their lives just like they did with Apollo

>>16722312
war with ayyys

>>16722312
Normies (and people here, it seems) need to go outside, touch grass, and look up at the stars. If you don't feel an innate sense of awe then you're not a real human.

>>16722312
Have space stations and moon bases. Places to go in space, that normies can look at livestreams of

>>16722354
>long time friend
Yeah right

>>16722354
Also it isnt 56 bil, it never was. It was optional s that were valued at 2.6 bil st the time and only vested if musk hig certain milestones
The stock after exercise would of course be worth whatever it is depending on the current Tesla stock price
this is some shit tier fanfic from a person that doesn't even understand the fundamentals
Fired elon in 2021? Lol what a retard, neuralink was founded in 2016, why would this guy wait jntil 2021 to "fire" elon (which doesn't make sense anyway)

>>16722362
Jpl blocked sending the dragons with politics, threatening to end all contracts to spacex with connections to congresspeople
Either you are very illinformed or lying on purpose

>>16722354
lol, after seeing that amount of (You)s I thought for a second that this was legit. Turns out it's a fucking nothingburger. Yeah, he's arrogant and cocky, who cares.

>>16722552
arrogance is having an exxagarated sense of ones abilities, but does that really track with what he has accomplished?
I don't think he is arrogant
he is audacious, but that is good, he would not have accomplished what he has without being audacious
might be overoptimistic on timelines, but if Musk actually accomplishes the things he says is it really arrogance?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlIqtzjVr28

>>16722342

https://x.com/luke_leisher_/status/1943803468881572298
>Starship flight 10 NET August 4th!

three more weeks

>>16722606
>FCC
nothingburger, but good signs for end of august/september

>>16722606
Are they going to need FCC clearance every flight? Imagine if every airliner has to do this

>>16722610
Imagine if Elon launched a rocket successfully

>>16722622
one day anon, one day...

>>16720554 (OP)
Is this a good idea?

>>16722552
>>16722567
>>16722546
>>16722542
>>16722474
Literal bot opinions.
Low clearly states that early Musk genuinelly wanted to colonize Mars, but that new Musk does not and simply says it to trick people. This is consistent with Musks behaviour too. It should worry you and ifi t doesn't idk what to say.

>>16722643
you have EDS, idk what to say

>>16720554 (OP)
Are rouge planets comets?

>>16722649
>you have EDS!1!!
So do you think he is serious about colonizing Mars or not?
When one of the people who knows him more intimately than anyone on earth comes out and says he no longer beleives that stuff, is that not cause for concern?
This 'Elon no longer caring about Mars' thing is corroborated by Peter Thiel too. Another person who knows Musk behind the mask.
And it is corroborated by his own actions.
If he seriously no longer cares about Mars and is just saying it to manipulate people, that's not just sad, it's actively bad.

>>16722534
Most normies can't even see the stars at night kek

>>16722641
no anon, drawing things in Paint is not a good idea

Now I can't wait to see this. I've always wanted a space sim where I can explore a fully realised Mars. Sure, there's SpaceEngine, but it's really barebones up close and doesn't really capture the same feel. Imagine spending hours planning your mission, all the logistics, the rocketry, the manoeuvres, the landing, the habitat establishment. Not being able to just teleport where ever you want would really make Mars feel like a vast empty planet that you have to explore, and having to keep an eye on your life support adds another level of immersion and realism. I just want to descend to the depths of the Mariner Valleys and take in the immense scale of it, or establish a base in the Phlegra Mountains in Elysium and watch it expand into a full city, going roving across the vast untouched dunes of Mars every day and watching out for dust storms.

>>16722657
this is a random grifter, not a person that knows him intimately
the fact that you want so dearly to believe him makes you EDS even if its clearly bullshit (stopped working for me 2021, wtf, absolutely retarded)

>>16722657
and yes musk might have shifted priorities somewhat, that doesn't mean he is not serious or cares about colonizing Mars, its not just the immediate number 1 priority right now anymore
the singularity is coming, probably sooner than Musk would be able to do much on mars and any ASI that gets created will be able to follow humans to mars as well
ASI is an existential risk and happening very soon, Musk wants to be the one in the driver seat
SpaceX will keep going in the background of course

>>16722662
True. I used to play KSP with stock parts on 10x scale Kerbal solar system (so more or less real life scale) for the challenge, and with that difficulty it made the Mun feel truly like a whole separate world impossibly far from Kerbin.
There was an immense vibe to walking around and I always wished the terrain was actually fleshed out to reflect that.

>>16722668
You completely ignored that anon mentioning Peter Thiel's recent comments. How many people close to Musk have to say something before it overrides your head canon about someone who you don't know at all?

>>16722659
Sad but true, as much fun as it is to remember those adolescent eye opening drug trips were we felt connected to the universe, true reality of life is much different and none of that shit matters a single bit.
Our connection to nature and the universe is profoundly broken and man is obsessed with infantile obsessions over petty made up shit regarding the economy. Absolutely pathetic.
Who could be behind this?

https://fireflyspace.com/news/firefly-aerospace-files-registration-statement-for-proposed-initial-public-offering/

firefly becomes public

>>16722673
>>16722668
>this is a random grifter, not a person that knows him intimately
Sure bro.
And wtf, are you a female or something? Can't separate assesment of facts from wanting something to be true?
I WANT Musk to be the hero he was in the early 2010s. I viewed him as a hero. I WANT him to be singularly focused on Mars and to have a selfless master vision for humanity which all his companies contribute towards.
But according to both Low and Thiel, Musk has become disinterested in Mars. NOT because of AGI or any other excuse, but because Thiel and others convinced him that Mars will not be liveable in his lifetime.
Presuming that both Low and Thiel are not lying, this means that Mars is a dead dream and that Musk just hollowly repeats to keep people excited. It is not far fetched because he is known to lie for the sake of Tesla valuation all the time. It makes Musk's behavior make sense. SpaceX seems like just another thing now, it's no longer where his heart is.
Why would Thiel lie about this btw? He and Musk still have a good relationship.

>>16722674
It also makes me pretty excited about custom planets. SpaceEngine's proc gen is currently the best but it leaves a LOT to be desired. To be able to send an ISV to Proxima Centauri, and see something like this, would be my dream game.

>>16722683
The guy you're talking to is a complete lunatic. Like detached from reality psychosis. He does this every day.

>flight 10 confirmed for 12+ hours
>no one here cares
>lab padre discord hasn't even posted it yet
The spirit has been truly killed, hasn't it? What would it take to revive it?

>>16722683
it was Thiels opinions, he doesn't need to lie but you are assuming he knows Musk 100% and what he wants to do

>but because Thiel and others convinced him that Mars will not be liveable in his lifetime.
huh?

>>16722691
Promising Mars NEXT YEAR was a bridge too far after 3 massive consecutive failures.
The mask finally slipped and everyone now knows Elon is a bullshitter. Even he indof knew, which is why he delayed the conference.

>>16722697
He's SUCH a retard it's unreal

>>16722688
demented projection, someone is a lunatic just because they don't believe some EDS wishcasting?
Peter Thiel kicked Musk out of Paypal so clearly he doesn't actually know how Musk thinks
they are probably on somewhat friendly terms but I don't think they are close at all

>>16722691
I think many anons who regular /sfg/ have put it on the backburner, considering the state of things. Sure we will all try to be here and watch next time–any time Starship flies. But overall, the mood is dead.
What would it take to undo that? A successful flight, first of all. Starship kissing the stars and performing a successful catch. No shenanigans from the upgraded booster, too. A successful flight and obvious advancement forward.
It would also be nice if Musk said he was done with politics and that he’s going back to his rustic house in Boca Chica to accelerate the program again.
These both feel like big asks these days, and unfortunately Musk’s recent spouts of chimp outs have left a sour taste in just about everyone’s mouths. He’s been burning more goodwill than methalox lately.

>>16722691
FCC notices don't count, they always come out months before the flight happens

>>16722697
>The mask finally slipped and everyone now knows Elon is a bullshitter
This is so untrue, everyone here understood elon time for a while now

>>16722702
going to probably somewhat boring until they launch the first V3 stack
meanwhile the gigabay and tower 2 continue to be built but people don't really care about that too much
I doubt Musk is coming to shift his attention back until V3 stacks start flying
maybe SpaceX gets some data on the heatshields with the remaining V2 or maybe not, but that doesn't really change the plans in any way

>>16722702
Musks new political party woll conume more of his time than any of hispoliticla antics before, its why even Tesla shills are asking for Musk to resign. It's such a sad state really.

>>16722710
>Tesla shills are asking for Musk to resign
not true lol, they are asking him to stop doing the party

>>16722707
There is a difference between Elon time (ridiculously optimistic timeframes) and straight up bullshit that everyone knows even Elon knows to be impossible. Elon relies on playing the autistic savant stereotype, so people actually beleive his Elon time predictions and get very excited, since the autistic savant is extravigant but doesnt bullshit. Lying to peopels faces and them knowing youre lying is the complete opposite.

>>16722702
One partially successful flight would change my mood

>>16722712
>not true lol, they are asking him to stop doing the party
Buddy.... They are asking for him to stop doing the party or resign. Come on now. Youre just farming yous at this point.

>>16722717
no, they are asking him to not do the party
musk leaving tesla would be a disaster for the stock price and tesla investors know this

>>16722702
>>16722709
The massive investment in Starship continues, with at least 4 towers in the works, propellant plants, gigabays and starfactories in two locations, it will continue, which is exciting.
Although Mars is a huge doubt. It will probably get a few visits, but now it might be bots only. I guess Elon will claim that AI on Mars is the very definition of the successful spread of consciousness, call it a huge win, then go do other things with more ROI.
Starship is for LEO constellations and peddling to the military and rich entities to rake in the cash. SpaceX is a telecom & ISP, same as the old ones that you have hated for your entire life.
I guess that dream is dead, but at least we took a few steps forward this decade.

>>16721305
kekt

>>16722516
I'M NOOOOORMINAL

>>16722658
>staging by destructing the lower stages
I guess it solves the hot staging problems.

>>16721417
the last thing you ever see after taking an authorized photo of earth from space

>>16721438
what idiot designed this shit? neither of those telescopes is going to work with them positioned right in front of each other like that

>>16722737
It's called a simplified representation.
Clearly it needs to be done in crayons.

>>16722723
As other anons have pointed out: the silver lining at least with trying to, at the bare minimum, slash the $/kg to LEO gets us very far already. If Starship is just going to be some big LEO ship that can loft hefty payloads to LEO, and can ancillary do depot refueling and act as a lander variant like HLS if you wanted to pay for it, at least puts the option on the table and allows organizations like NASA or people like Jared or Yusaku Maezawa to want to try it

>>16721461
we have to make niggers dress up in costumes and give them swords to protect the public health because... WE JUST HAVE TO, OKAY!?!!

>>16722740
It looks cool swords are awesome

>>16722739
Shuttle 2: Low orbital boogaloo

>>16722758
It was always too good to be true.

>>16722606
This time I bought a large bag of popcorn

>>16722606
How many times was starship supposed to launch this year again? 20?

>>16722802
license is for 25 flights

>>16722802
>>16722804
They'll fly every 3 days in December to make up for it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3sbDTl2MSU

>>16722811

>>16722071
>prealpha
let me know when 1.0 is released im not doing QA for free

fuck you

>>16722809
>>16722802
Every single time retards fall for it. They were all saying 25 flights would happen this year, and would get mad if you predicted otherwise.

>>16722847
No one was getting mad at you for doubting 25 flights bro

>>16722854
And your dad was not getting cheated on when you were concieved.

Now that Musk has given up on Mars, what is his next grift?

>>16722865
hes trying to do a hostile takeover on the US government. Just like with Twitter or Tesla he's in the fuck shit up phase before the acquisition phase. He's actively using X as an active measures front. He has a perosnal relationship with Putin which is why he is so agressive on trying to concede Ukraine to Russia, etc. All part of his plan to weaken America thne take it over.

>>16722811
/sfg/ told me putting power constellations at lagrange points and transmitting power down to LEO via microwaves was useless endeavor

>>16722866
His old mentor Zubrin will be the final boss defending America.

take me back holy shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFbrK_sRV9Q&t

>>16722691
It depends on whether they wanna fully test S38 before Flight 10.
If they don't august is probably on the cards,although mid/late (and 6+ weeks of gap between flight 10 and 11)
If they do it's probably NET september.
Knowing SpaceX they are probably keeping options open. Another question is how fast they can get Massey's online for cryo.

Tianzhou 9/CZ-7 Y10 on pad
Will bring 6.5tons of supply, including 2 new Feitian suits to replace 2 old ones that were disposed of in Tianzhou 8.

>>16722884
They still used Windows XP 14 years ago? I am seeing it right?

Why aren't people like this shot?

>>16722899
What the problem. Security updates continued to 2014.

>>16722900
you mad cuz he is right
Mars is a geology tourist spot not salvation

>>16722866
If he had waited for 28 to pull the trigger on being so direct it would've worked. The Republicans will be in desperate need of leadership and Musk will be far more powerful with all the growth by then.

>>16722900
destroy all urfers

>>16722900
He's just copying KSR's Aurora doomer argument that we don't understand our ecosystem well enough to replicate it anywhere, and that habitable places around main sequence stars that don't already contain life are likely inimical to it

https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/1944035420972458480

>>16722954
>Big Jim is The Eagle of Cost Plus Peak
What a gay fucking timeline this is.

>>16722954
Honestly it’s better than his last gig at redwire; felt a bit toxic. And it’s better than being a shill for BO. I hope ULA can unshackle itself from its two divorcee parents and spread its wings a bit more. It’s arguably the best “second competitor” to SX. This title certainly isn’t going to BO or RocketLab!

>>16722867
It is

>>16722900

>>16722954
how the mighty have fallen

>>16722964
>Constant view of the Sun, and earth orbital regime
>lower LEO sats require 8x the ISS’ total power draw and need that energy at any given moment, not just when in ‘daylight’
Who cares about beam spreading or power losses here. A large segmented system that spreads out wide and collects a lot of solar energy could microwave it down to MEO systems that distribute it to LEO laser killsats that can fire off their laser and destroy ICBMs during the boost phase. It’s the ultimate defensive superweapon and basically the only way you’re going to be able to realistically do it unless each of these individual sats (you’ll likely want dozens do them for maximum global coverage) each individually carry nuclear power plants. Which isn’t realistic.

https://x.com/RGVaerialphotos/status/1944071854840234483

>>16722643
>Low clearly states
I don't care

>>16722739
Yes low cost to orbit is huge and more significant than landing on Mars

>>16722744
>>>/wsg/5903462

>>16722739
Ah I see we’ve reached the cope stage

>>16723006
Basically; I won’t deny it. One good flight would rope me back in to believing, though

>listening to one of my favorite streamers
>smart guy, knows what he's talking about, his predictions are on point
>came out and said that that alot of the apollo footage is fake
why is it so hard for people to believe? whats wrong with the human brain?

>I predicted 8 flights 7 tower catches, 2 starlink deployments, 3 new glenn launches, 4 vulcan launches
How was I so off?

>>16722977
I really like how weathered the launch mount and tower are getting, it's starting to look like the old KSC launch pads

>>16723013
just believing everything is a good way to get cheated
on the other hand working out if every particular piece of information is actually true or not is impossible, even ignoring infinite regress problems in justification, because it's simply too much work
so people just tend to believe things because they seem true

but once you question a belief that you didn't actually hold for any good reason in the first place, it collapses under the weight of scrutiny

Great, who invited the crazies

>>16723026
Boardfag did.

>>16722965
kek, the original image doesn't work anymore

https://x.com/ns123abc/status/1944165043710365895
>BREAKING: SPACEX TO INVEST $2 BILLION INTO XAI

>>16723096
Open the pod bay doors, Grok

>>16723097
>Bend over, Will
I think grok has learned from text what type of person is most likely to be bullied, so it just falls into that personality when it finds one.

>>16723102
gem

>>16723102
The future belongs to strong-willed knowers and noticers who can prompt and handle an unfiltered AI.
AGI will be as a wild beast in the forest that can be tamed, but that can just as easily sense fear and weakness.

>>16723117
I had never even thought about an AGI turning into a ferocious high IQ bully with preferences. Every single spineless faggot will be crushed, kek.

>>16723096
Oh great. So now Musk not only doesn't care about Mars, but he's using SpaceX as a paypig for random shit in his other businesses.

Thank you for your attention to this matter!

>>16723096
we're never going to mars are we? was thiel right? elon quietly gave up on mars last year?

>>16722975
Figure out launch costs to a Lagrange point vs LEO and get back to me

>>16723139
Thiel wasn't just right, he made it happen. We used to castrate faggots like him and it was generally understood to be wary of the court eunuch. What a sick new world we chart through

>>16723140
In this scenario the government is paying for it with $500 billion to work with

>>16723145
Kek

>>16723139
Well he never talks about Mars anymore so it's obviously of little interest.
Starship is a side project that will be shut down next year. Eventually the Falcon 9 division will be spun off into a separate business that will become just one launch provider among many.

>>16723096
what does spacex get out of a fucking LLM

https://youtu.be/Vj1N4cMf_qk
wow

>>16723157
Nothing, Elon is just tapping the starlink money for his new hyperfixation

>>16723157
mechahitler

>>16723158

Open the pod bay doors, Mechahitler

>>16723166
nein

>>16723166
*wooden

>>16723171
lol

>>16723147
Alright, figure out how much electricity you get to LEO from an L point constellation (including energy transfer losses) for half a trillion

>>16723147
You took too long, I did the math using falcon heavy to L1 assuming ideal everything (ideal everything in your favor) and you get a gigawatt. The same assumptions but using the falcon 9 to LEO (even with nighttime!!) gets you 17x as much.

>>16723171
fuck off

>>16723179
Would it be worth it, then, for a dedicated power constellation in LEO

>>16723182
No. Launch costs are still the deciding factor. Efficiency losses in remote energy transmission multiply your effective costs by about 3 in the best case, vs just launching the sats with solar attached.
Satellite refueling startups are also scams

>>16723181
gonna cry?

>>16723134
My guess is that if the Delaware court sides with him in his Tesla bonus bucks case, once he gets that wealth influx, he'll get out of Tesla as it's the only part of his business empire that's publicly traded. He'll be much more free to play money games and cook the books if he doesn't have the headache that comes with being a publicly traded company.
If the court rules against him, he might have a melty and dump his Tesla holdings, which in that situation would be kind of a dumb thing to do but drugs are a hell of a drug.

>>16723186
wow what a great retort. you are a fantastic human being. your humor is beyond reproach

thanks

>>16723181
>Excuse me everyone I'm jewish. Do you want to revise your statement? I'm on /sfg/ and I'm a jew. Do you have a problem with me?
Every fucking time with this nigga
Go to reddit

>>16723193
sounds like you're triggered by me simply existing. you're a weak, weak person.
are we going to have another 600 posts of shit by screaming /pol/?

>>16723162
How long before he pushes a Constitutional amendment so Grok can run for president?

>>16723193
someone has to be jewish to complain about cruel "jokes" on a spaceflight board? you're broken

>>16723191
your're welcum

>>16723185
You’re going to be launching something so comically massive with giant panels. Like larger in area than the ISS. But I believe your math, it would be cheaper than doing it any other way

pretty intact. wonder how high it got
https://www.hbc.co.jp/news/3055724a05e2931a9315711e828bceb2.html

There is nothing more pointless than space

>>16723228
Well yeah isn’t space spherical?

>>16723209
>THUD!
Pretty sure I had some of my Estes rockets end up going deeper than that.

why are they shutting down discussion?

This place has turned into a hotbed of EDS

>>16723237
Explain why you think this might be the case

>>16723242
Flat earthers from /pol/ trying to stir up trouble

>>16723244
speaking of which apparently it's an autistic Australian who spams flerf stuff on /pol/

Over status?

>>16723252
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfDUkR3DOFw

>>16723252

>>16723209
Damn, that's almost international incident tier
Taiwan testing homegrown ballistic missiles in Japan with only the fig leaf of orbital payload delivery over it

>>16723096

> XAI -- how do I keep Starship from blowing up?

>>16723242
Elon Musk is the cause.

T-7m until SpaceX launches an Israeli spy sat to GTO.

>>16723252
not yet

>>16723279
also:
>officially an "undisclosed customer"
>has their fucking logo on the fairing
nice job, well done

>>16723281
IAI is a contractor, not a customer.

>>16723096
>>16723134
Spacex is ever-increasingly owned by Elon so it's more like Elon using Spacex as a tax shield for his own investments.

Every 6 months, Spacex opens a 2 week trading window for employees to sell their private Spacex stock back to the company so it can be sold to investors. Spacex doesn't restrict the amount employees are allowed to sell even though new investor interest is usually only on the order of a few tens to a hundred million bucks, so who do you think is buying the overflow shares? Elon. As Spacex's value balloons because of Starlink revenue, the amount of overflow shares grows exponentially every semester as random OG technicians and forklift drivers cash out their stock holdings so they can buy houses or retire early.

first stage coming back down

booster has landed. btw one he got away with it is worth negative six milimelties

Seven Gs at peak entry loads, dang.

>>16723284
Do you think it's bad that the workers are allowed to know they can sell their shares at a fair price?

>>16723166
kek

>>16723295
Not sure what you mean but I do think the "privately held company that allows employees to hold and trade stock" model is objectively the best way to run a company. The employees have something to work for, but the company isn't subject to the whims of uneducated retard day traders.

>>16723284
>Spacex is ever-increasingly owned by Elon so it's more like Elon using Spacex as a tax shield for his own investments.
>who do you think is buying the overflow shares? Elon.
Do you have any actual evidence of this or is it your head canon?

which company is our next best hope after spacex?

>>16723300
There's a finite amount of capital that wants to buy the stock as you pointed out. Elon always buying workers stocks acts as a guarantee that anyone that wants to get rid of their stocks can sell without a discount.

>>16723321
I'm a former employee so I get the earnings reports whenever the window opens. Basically, the amount of stock purchased by employees in a given period scales in proportion to the remainder of the employee stock sales after accounting for new investment. So I am forced to conclude that some employee (or I suppose, employees) is purchasing all of the remaining shares.

>>16723322
Stoke and Rocket Lab for space exploration. Lots of Chinese and Japanese startups to be excited about if you can bring yourself to root for humanity instead of America specifically.

>>16723096
LAUNCH THE DAMN ROCKET ALREADY AAAAGHHQWEY134234.,#$%["

>>16723321
I've heard that too somewhere, that Musk keeps topping off his SpaceX share to keep it
it was in some discussion about his priorities
for instance he doesn't do this for Tesla really, but in fact has used Tesla stock to finance other things (such as buying SpaceX stock, buying twitter, founding neuralink, the boring company and xAI)
the logic has been that he has had compenstaion packages at Tesla though and Tesla is very liquid as a public company so that makes sense
and for a long time Tesla was vastly more valuable than SpaceX, it has only been in the last year or two that SpaceX has also shot up due to Starlink earnings

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1944290693566148838

>>16723340
elon says that while taking money from the till

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1944273071864787322

Musk does talk about mars occasionally
its just generic stuff like this so I don't see a point in posting most of it

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1944273071864787322

Musk does talk about mars occasionally
its just generic stuff like this so I don't see a point in posting it most of the time

>>16723343
biggest proof that Musk has given up on mars is that he keeps funding dual use technology that can be used on both earth and mars rather than developing and testing life support, habitation and terraforming technologies.

>>16723322
Unironically Blue Origin

>>16723340
b-but, I thought Elon always took the credit, what gives

>>16723347
BONG is so cool and pretty...

>>16723346
no, the reason why that hasn't been done yet has been discussed to death
his companies tend to be laser focused on the next biggest problem, not sprawl out and do everything before its actually relevant (such as BO for instance)

building habitation now before actually knowing what the vehicle that gets the mass there would mean that you would likely have to redesign a bunch of shit and it would simultaneously slow down the next critical step (starship)

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1944244747532743086

>>16723346
>terraforming technologies.
Your and idiot

>>16722673
>>16723096
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1944274857304498438

like I said

>>16723357
Ignoring for a moment Starship is what Elon publicly wants to use for mars, there is literally no reason to not build the knowledge and manufacturing base for these technologies to be utilized later. Retooling is cheaper and faster than starting from the ground up.

>>16723367
it isn't cheap to develop them especially when you actually don't know what you are developing them for exactly, just generic "habitation"
you won't really be able to iterate and test them so what it comes down to you are paying a bunch of engineers to fuck around, not really sure you are going anywhere (maybe the paradigm they are developing in is a dead end for one reason or another)
and you have a limited supply of excellent engineers as well

>>16723367
also, starship is clearly not done yet
"Starship" as a concept is going to be used in some form yes, but what that actually is, is not
the actual payload numbers to mars are not known, the architecture of the mars cargo ships or crew ships are not known

what would developing habitation tech even mean at this point?

>>16723363
The real kicker is that plants are better at energy storage (when converted to ethanol ie. hydrocarbons) which is much more dense and easier to store than batteries.

>>16723376
It's something that won't happen overnight and will take years, they can always develop small scale prototypes.

>>16723377
hydrogen or synthetic hydrocarbons are better than plants

>>16723379
they probably have like plenty of other people
its such a generic question that you would have just a bunch of engineers playing around with no clear goal, no monetizable product

>>16723381
Better that than throwing out hundreds of millions for useless politics.

>>16723380
Which are better than batteries yes

>>16723386
solar -> hydrogen/synthetic hydrocarbon

Optimus is in the mars plans and is going to use grok/xAIs tech as one component so there might be some justification (if Musk really needed it)

>>16723381
The large unsolved questions are food, water, and oxygen followed very closely by how that can be done in-situ and organically, and finally how to protect against radiation exposure in such a way that the mean time before cancer is longer than one full Mars transit and surface stay. Construction is also something that hasn't really been looked at; generally people assume they're going to be plugging completed modules together

The ISS has also raised issues with long-term habitation such as biofilms, solar panel degradation and the ever-present risk of fire and toxic chemical release. Telemedicine is also going to be critical.

>>16723398
Not just some justification but full on justification. Its integral to Musk's plan for Mars that they have a robot that they can interact/control and query/ask questions on the state of the matter. I would bet they're going to need Grok or some advance state of the art AGI to find solutions to the Mars problem.

>>16723402
There isn't that much radiation lol
The ISS problems with biofilms are because of zero g. They go away with even a little bit of gravity

>>16723402
>muh unsolved questions
Nigga these have all been solved like 30 years ago

>>16723429
Case for Mars glosses over everything. Zubrin is a nuclear scientist and a rocket enthusiast so he's verygood at those two things. Other areas not so much. Under Bush jr they seriously considered Mars direct, but according to NASA Mars direct was impossible because the actual mass budget needed was much greater than what Zubrin claimed.

>Solar thermal propulsion built into an existing upper stage that uses a bit of its leftover LOX as propellent
>With its high ISP it effectively doubles the payload capacity beyond LEO
>Say a F9 puts 20t to orbit, it can be used to transport the entire 20t to a far away destination
Thoughts?

fuck you

>>16723440
probably a bit more complicated than simply using leftover lox
wouldn't you need relatively massive solar panels for to power the ion drive
the extra engine and extra mass from solar panels would add mass
perhaps it makes sense for some kind of deepspace starship platform, but then it might make more sense to start looking into nuclear power instead of solar

>>16723444
>solar thermal

>>16723377
You made this up on the spot

>>16723402
>food and radiation as the main issue
>>16723398
>>16723409
>sci fi slop
What happened to my /sfg/

>>16723440
Stop trying to make it work man, we're just not there

Mike mcculloch is always complaining about journals yet he never publishes shit or shares it with the masses. What even is his “grift” here, HES NOT EVEN MAKING MONEY
He’s so retarded it’s unreal

>>16723451
it won't be scifi soon

Staging

>>16723463
>>16723463
>>16723463

>>16722354
>I fired him with cause in December 2021 when he tried to undermine NV
He fired Elon in 2021? What the fuck is he talking about?

>>16722437
你想错了兄弟

>>16723356
one thing I've noticed about methane-fueled rockets, because the exhaust is clear and the fuel burns bright, each engine acts as a spotlight. Gives nighttime BO launches and the Starship landings a unique appearance.

>>16723480

>>16723334
I will pledge allegiance to Basedna if Soimerica continues down its current path.

>>16723480
>Austrilia
wut