Trust the Plan - edition

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First for three (3) weeks

>>16726600
so pretty much like every other satellite ever, got it

test

total Ani victory
SpaceX engineers will be re-directed to optimize the gooning capability of companions

>>16726661
I don't want to talk to code that's pretending to be sexy, that's decidedly unsexy.

Not my waifu

>>16726659
definitely

>>16726665
that is what clear actually looks like behind the voice synthesizer and anime avatar

I feel like I got whiplash.
Just give it to me straight. Is Elon not our guy anymore? Do you honestly see any coming back from this?
The guy that types in all lowercase and says nothing is wrong doesn't need to reply, I already know how you feel

>>16726669
We'll see how the next test flight goes.

>>16726666
never listened to her. i exclusively watch the official spacex stream and enjoy the two girls you actually get to see.

>>16726669
i just focus on the spehs. nothing else matters.

>>16726669
Elon used to beleive he was working on the worlds most important things, but now he beleives he is the world's msot important thing. A tale as old as time. Power corrupts.
Peter Thiel is on record saying he and friend radually convinced Musk that Mars is not habitable within his lfietime. He seems to have acepted this and moved on to other memes.
He now hollowly repeats the Mars colonization schtick as a way to trick investors, the exact same as he has always done with Tesla and FSD. You cna feel the difference. So can I. It no longer comes from the heart.

>>16726687
i fear that you may have a point there. the autistic focus has changed target.

>>16726669
We are further from Mars than 2001 in a sense. Back then Musk attended the Mars society convention and was convinced by Zubrin about the mission. Now he no longer beleives in it.
Russian disinfo drove a wedge between Musk and Zubrin, for that I will always hate Muskovy.

>>16726687
>Peter Thiel is on record saying he and friend radually convinced Musk that Mars is not habitable within his lfietime
Source?

>>16726687
>He now hollowly repeats the Mars colonization schtick as a way to trick investors
Sigh

>>16726689

Elon has everything he needs for a robust Mars science program with FH. A couple of those every two years and we'd be swimming in returned samples.

Elon has everything to launch a 70s style manned program built with F9 tossing up modules and fuel.

But his obsession with Starship killed all that. And now he's bored with Starship and tard bounced off to other things.

>>16726714
he didn’t want a mars science program though. By the time red dragon was canned it was all or nothing on colonization, flags and footprints be damned.

spehs

>>16726689
>russia
Anon please stop trying to connect your hyperfixation to everything
>>16726695
A recent interview with Thiel himself. He doesn't specifically say that but it tracks.

>>16726727
>A recent interview with Thiel himself
Which is?

>>16726718

And now he, and we, get nothing. Congress put all the lard back on NASA so they have no incentive to do anything. Their paychecks are secure.

China gets to Mars and plants the Red Banner and air goes out of any US aspirations for the Red Planet.

>>16726670
I don't really see the next test flight(s) being that great unless they finally switch to V3.
It'll really be over if V3 is shit as well though.

>>16726729
Don't know or care, it's already in my brain. You can look it up yourself if you're so interested

>>16726750
So in other words you pulled it out of your ass

>>16726746

Elon is determined to try and launch the last two v2 Starships. The next one will probably explode during fueling and quash that dream.

As I have said before, China is actively collapsing right before our eyes. Only a single launch for July, their launch rate has fallen off a cliff, a sign of their impending collapse. At this rate, they will be totally gone within a year.

>>16726757
Why is he so fixated on doing stupid shit like this? People must have told him flight 1 would destroy the launchpad but he still did it anyway.

>>16726758
>0/37 chinese collapses correctly predicted

>>16726758

Sure

> The number of Chinese orbital launches has increased by a third in 2025, and the number of payloads delivered to orbit has doubled from 2024, with over 140 payloads deployed to date.

>>16726758
I kinda hope china does collapse so retards like this would be out of a job.

>>16726759

It's unexplained. There's no useful "data" to be gathered. The chance of failure is almost certain. Disaster is a possibility.

>>16726727
>Anon please stop trying to connect your hyperfixation to everything
I don't follow the Ukraine Russia war much, but it's clear that the wedge between Zubrin and Musk was caused by their differing views on Ukraine. In short Zubrin is intelligent and wise enough to understnad what's really going on. Musk on the other hand is notoriously pig-headed and egotistical. Putin even flatters Musk in interviews, and he's swimming in a sea of disinformation on X. He has been manipulated to the point that he is rabidly pro Russia, and actively dislikes Zubrin simply because of that one fact. It's obvious. The pair fell out over Russia-Ukraine, and they fell out because Musk has been fooled.

>>16726763
But he tried etc

Is not a bad attempt and it keeps the schedule, better than stay and die in some dumb war started by reading people's thoughts

>>16726760
>>16726762
Zeihan has always said that China would collapse by 2030, which matches the data that's coming out of China.
>>16726761
And yet the recent launches in June and July have dropped off a cliff. We will likely only see a handful more launches for the rest of the year as the chinese econmy continues to break down

>>16726754
NTA but it's in here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vV7YgnPUxcU&t

>>16726758
Russia has also been allegedly collapsing for a while. Yet here I am, still sitting with its territory, to my dismay, and with no end in sight.

All this doomer shit is getting me down, lets talk about something different.
Like has the shizodrive finally done something? They were supposed to be turning it on soon.

>>16726764
Musk is basically going through the exact same character arc as Hitler (im a fan of both btw).
He makes correct judgments a few times against the concensus of all of his advisors, so he develops a hugely inflated sense of self and starts to believe that he is infallible. Then he makes a hundred catastrophic decisions until it all falls down.

>>16726764
>He has been manipulated to the point that he is rabidly pro Russia,
Pic related, and I mean it. I'm genuinely curious.

>>16726772
Open your eyes. Watch Putin interviews to english publications and he often namedrops Musk trying to massage his ego. Go on X and see the kind of people who Musk interacts with. Just look. Musk is the kind of guy who thinks he knows better than anyone else, so once a false idea is planted in his head he will powerfully pursue it and resist being convinced that he has been fooled. Case in point the fact that he beleived Mars could be terraformed within his lifetime for like 20 years. Clearly false but it took him 2 decades to shake it.

>>16726759
Tell us what is stupid about flying at least one more V2 ship.

>>16726769
Russia is practically a failed state in all but name. Total collapse within a decade is all but guaranteed.

Two weeks

>>16726774
it’s just going to spin out of control and then explode again

>>16726764
>person who shares my political views is intelligent and wise
>person who does not share my political views is pig headed and egotistical

How ironic.

>>16726785
It's nothing to do with my political views. I was actually compeltely ambivalent to the situation until it caused Musk to abandon the Mars dream.

>>16726761
>>16726762
>>16726769
This guy is pro-China and has been spamming the same "geopolitical analyst" clickbait thumbnails forever on various boards. i.e. it's bait
Like this.

>>16726769
Truly sorry for your lots

>>16726798
>Says that China is fucked
>Pro-China

>>16726803
Because they're posting some literal who analysts who predict that China is going back to the stone age in 6 months. For years on end.
It's arguing the opposite by presenting any bearish case in the most ridiculous light as possible.

>>16726771
It's really the demiurge's curse. There are several barriers like this inherent in human behavior at every scale that prevents things from being too good for too long. God I wish our problems were technology. That's a much easier puzzle to work through.

>>16726803
You're controlled opposition trying to make china hawks look foolish

>>16726816
>>16726829
Zeihan has a PhD, is the author of like 3 new york times best selling book, has worked as the vice president of a multi-million dollar intelligence consulting agency before, has implied that he worked for the CIA before, regularly gives talks to CEO and heads of state. He's not some random nobody you fucking abortions. And he has always said, since 2005 that he expects China to collapse by 2030, not in 6 months.

Also, he's not the only one, there's literally hundreds of experts that also agree that China is gonna collapse soon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Zeihan

>After completing his education, Zeihan worked for the American embassy in Australia and at the Center for Political and Strategic Studies, a think tank founded by Susan Eisenhower

>In 2000, he joined the Austin, Texas-based geopolitical intelligence firm Stratfor as an analyst, where he worked for 12 years, eventually becoming vice president.

>Zeihan left Stratfor in 2012 and founded Zeihan on Geopolitics, a consulting firm. His clients have included energy companies, financial institutions, business associations, agricultural organizations, universities, and government entities.

>In 1995, he earned a BS in political science at Northeast Missouri State University and in 1997 a postgraduate diploma in Asian studies at the University of Otago in New Zealand. He also attended the University of Kentucky's Patterson School of Diplomacy and International Commerce.

>>16726830
Thanks for proving my point.

>>16726832
>Got BTFO
>T-thanks for proving my point.

I guess we'll see by 2030, won't you look stupid when China ceases to exist by then.

>>16726830
What does he say about spaceflight faggot

>>16726835
He thinks that Chinese space capabilities are crap

>>16726669
Depends on the next flight.
Remember Musk’s melty?

>>16726836

He's wrong. So, given that we're just going to discount anything he says.

This board is gay.
You bots are all huge faggots.

>>16726836
I'll be the first to admit that China's got issues, but right now they're the second most capable space power in terms of present capabilities and they're the only nation outside of the United States that's serious about pursuing reusable launch vehicles. They're not what the Chinese Century grifters make them out to be, but they didn't accidentally stumble into second place.

Is it cringe to follow space flight as closely and as constantly as >we do and yet not be in the industry like, at all?

>>16726850

More importantly, the Chinese program makes sense. A leads to B leads to C, in steps with clear milestones. Very Apollo like.

As opposed to the current chaos at NASA, where every mission is the first flight of boutique hardware. Astronauts are going to die. Again.

>>16726858
I can't read or write. I have the computer read all these comments aloud then i dictate my response to it.

>>16726863
China's good at taking existing capability and leveraging it to the greatest possible degree. That's why the LM-2C is still flying, despite it being a 40 year old design. Getting that same efficiency out of new designs is a lot harder, but they'll get there eventually.

Artemis is also very efficient, but it's just concerned with keeping Shuttle program levels of funding flowing to old STS contractors instead of any of that nerd shit like going back to the moon. That's why they're so impressed about a 3D render of a design for a thrust structure. It's a great triumph in welfare contracting.

https://x.com/BoeingSpace/status/1945472311773073767
>Teams at NASA’s Michoud Assembly Facility have completed the SLS rocket’s Exploration Upper Stage thrust structure, a major part of the structural test article. This more-powerful stage is set to propel the Artemis IV mission to deep space.

>>16726847
>>16726850
>>16726863
Chinese launch rates are actively collapsing as we speak, with only a single launch in the last month and a half, with no future launches anytime soon. As China is collapsing, don't expect any increases in launches any time soon, China will be more concerned with not falling apart and feeding itself then launching rockets.

Also Chinese spaceflight is crap. Their rockets won't look out of place in the 1970s. They are only 2nd because every other nation isn't even trying.

https://zeihan.com/dealing-with-chinese-drones/

>And while the Chinese do have the ability to launch and maintain their own satellite fleet, their space weapons systems are woefully nascent. They’re new. And if we were to have a conflict with any of the technologies that the Chinese currently have in place or deployed, you basically have the United States who’s been playing this game for 60 years, take out every Chinese satellite in the sky in a matter of a few days, if not even a few hours.

This is what Zeihan has to say about Chinese satellites and space capabilities. They are a joke.

>>16726874
>China's good at taking existing capability and leveraging it to the greatest possible degree.

That's a thick layer of lipstick on a pig anon. Chinese spaceflight would be severely curtailed if the LM-2, 3 and 4 were retired.

This is why China still uses them despite regularly dropping hypergolic first stages on civilians.

>>16726875

But we've already established Zeihan is wrong and can be ignored. Were you not paying attention?

Or -- are you just really into the guy. Is he your crush?

>>16726881

And since SpaceX can't move to the next big thing without exploding, if the retired Falcon they be out of business too. Do you have a point beyond "China bad!"

>>16726875
>This is what Zeihan has to say about Chinese satellites and space capabilities
Who the fuck cares what zeihan has to say?

Can this guy understand, speak and write Chinese to begin with?

>>16726846
I was there...

>>16726888
WHO nigga use the fucking reply button

>>16726875
>only a single [Chinese] launch in the last month and a half
why should we listen to you when you are so blatantly wrong?

>>16726890
I guess the answer is NO then, with how defensive you are.

>>16726875
>only a single launch in the last month and a half
Are you sure about that?

https://launchreport.neocities.org/slr2025.txt
>06/05/25 CZ-6A Y8 HD 04A-E
>06/14/25 CZ-2D Y42 Zhangheng 1-02
>06/20/25 CZ-3B/E Chinasat 9C
>07/03/25 CZ-4C Y63 Shiyan 28B-01
>07/14/25 CZ-7 Y10 Tianzhou 9

>no future launches anytime soon
China doesn't exactly phone ahead with most of their launch schedule. If we want to know about anything non-crewed spaceflight related you need to get some autists to comb through Chinese NOTAM bulletins, and even that doesn't usually give you more than a few days heads up. Still...

https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=5060.2700
>July 29/31 (~09:00) - CZ-8A (Y2?) - HCSLS, LCC-1

>"The United States can take out every Chinese satellite in the sky in a matter of hours!"
https://www.n2yo.com/satellites/?c=&t=country
China currently operates over 900 satellites. America does not have the ASAT capability to take out even a fraction of those, and has no weapon systems at all to engage Chinese targets in geostationary orbit, of which there are at least 30.

>They are only 2nd because every other nation isn't even trying.
This is the only thing you said that didn't fall under the umbrella of "faggot opinions."

>Amerifats cannot handle, cannot even fathom how well China is doing right now

fuck you

I wonder if the Brits in their pubs were still shitting on America well into the gilded age

>>16726881
They keep the LM-2/3/4 flying because they're cheap and easy to mass produce. It's the same problem Russia has with the Soyuz. Russia would be a lot better off transitioning to using the Angara-1/3/5 for all of their current launch needs, but they can't get payloads to move over because the Soyuz-2 is just too cheap and reliable. China wanted to move over to the LM-7/8, but their first generation of cryogenics just couldn't compete on cost (they might have also had issues with potential cadence, but that's more speculative). The LM-8A and 12 might shift this, but we're probably not going to see something able to undercut the old DF-5 designs until after the Zhuque-3 and Tianlong-3 get out of testing.

fucking faggot

>you know that place that makes everything on Earth?
>the place where 12% of the population don't violently resent the rest?
>the place that hasn't been captured and occupied by 3% of the population and their foreign genocide project?
>the place where the leadership class didn't replace them in one generation for slightly cheaper labor?
>the place where the government wants the country to grow and be powerful?
>the place where the government controls the levers of the economy instead of an unaccountable private bank?
>yeah them
>those are the guys that are about to collapse

>>16726900
They could have pushed harder to replace their hypergolics if they wanted too, with the amount of control China has over it's SOEs. Just like American oldspace, Chinese oldspace also got too fucking competent and bloated and lazy, so they relaxed and dragged their feet on developing new systems. They are in a horrible position now, with 3 different sets of rocket clashing together, the older hypergolic rockets, the newer expendable cryogenic CZs and the up and coming reusable rockets, it's gonna to be a big mess for a few years until the reusable rockets finally kill off all the other rocket systems, with lots of wasted money and job losses on the older rocket production lines.

If they had just modernized faster and actually pushed hard on retiring their hypergolic fleet a decade ago during the 2000s, they wouldn't be in this mess. Their first cryogenic rocket had it's maiden flight in 2014, the the first F9 landed. The timing couldn't have been worse for China, their entire generation of rockets were obsolete before most of them even had a maiden launch

>>16726904
>the place where 12% of the population don't violently resent the rest?
Don't pretend you know China if you don't know what "xxn" "打拳" etc mean.

>>16726907
I know what it means asshole. It means rim me.

>>16726906

> they wouldn't be in this mess!

Land on the Moon
Return samples from Moon
Land on Mars

Are we talking about the same China? We're talking about Red China. The one on the mainland.

>>16726904
wow! China has building sized LED billboard advertisements! This has convinced me that China is very futuristic and the west has fallen.

>>16726904
Honestly fuck you. I'm sick and tired

>>16726885
He's an expert that gives talks to CEOs and politicians, his consulting fees run up to thousands of dollars per session.
>>16726888
Who cares?
>>16726891
>>16726893
Chinese launches have been decreasing hard over the last 2 months. From weekly launches to once a month. It's just a fact. Soon it's gonna to decline to once a year. Just like Russia, look how hard they have fallen from their USSR days.

>China currently operates over 900 satellites

SpaceX has over 10k.

>America does not have the ASAT capability to take out even a fraction of those,

Other than the fact that SpaceX launches a hundred times more mass than China does every year.

>has no weapon systems at all to engage Chinese targets in geostationary orbit, of which there are at least 30.

You really believe that? America literally is building Golden dome for total space dominance. Also this doesn't matter when China is going to collapse soon anyway.

>>16726904
Cope. China has the worse demographic collapse on earth. They are so fucking finished when their country turns into a nursing home. Total collapse by 2030 is guaranteed.

>>16726904
Putting troonstreamer lighting on a waterfront skyline is only impressive if your parents were rural farmers who never knew what indoor plumbing was. It's the kind of thing a boy-addicted Arab sheik would consider classy. Keep it up! I'm sure that in a few more decades your people will be just as prosperous as those in Puero Rico, or the economic holy land of Mississippi.

...Assuming that people are still interested in buying cheap Chinese shit untariffed. How are those tariffs doing, by the way?

>>16726904
This is so unimpressive. Wumao strikes again.

>>16726915

> He's an expert that gives talks to CEOs and politicians!

Wow! Now I am impressed.

>>16726915
>his consulting fees run up to thousands of dollars per session
That proves nothing

>>16726904
America is the greatest country on Earth if you ignore every trend of the last 56 years

why the fuck are we replying to this guy, he's obviously either a troll or retarded (or both)

>>16726922
WHO??? WHICH FUCKING POST ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??? YOU FAGGOTS HAVE BEEN DOING THIS ALL DAY
USE
THE
REPLY
FEATURE
YES IM MAD

fuck you

>>16726910
lol both are anti-feminist slangs but do keep showcasing how little you know.

>>16726915
Not knowing the language of the primary source means his knowledge is limited, filtered by what his translator provides him.

fuck who?

Who must fuck?

>>16726915
>From weekly launches to once a month. It's just a fact
You're just not gonna acknowledge that you're easily shown to be wrong on this point?

>>16726906
Pushing harder might not have been likely to get better results. The reason hypergolics remain attractive today is because they're a thoroughly mature technology. You got to look at the whole industrial supply chain behind the rocket as well as the vehicle itself. China had to develop almost all the technological expertise to build oxygen-rich staged combustion engines on their own. Then they had to learn how to build the industry needed to build parts for those engines, and to do it at scale. I'm not surprised that the early YF-100 powered vehicles couldn't easily compete with something that was running off a supply chain that was established in the early 1980s.

It'll be a mess to everyone watching, but China doesn't have much sentimentality about this. A few successes will live and prosper, and everything else will die off. The messy process isn't really even a loss for China, as all of these competing companies train up a lot of skilled employees that can then get recycled into other projects. I've been of the opinion for a long time that all of China's overlapping semi-commercial groups are just a way to catalyze overall growth in the industry.

And it doesn't really matter if Chinese rockets are "obsolete" compared to SpaceX. The Chinese market is so cut off from the west it might as well exist on another planet. There's no real competition between either side.

any reason you couldn’t make a reusable hypergolic rocket? seems easier if anything, much more reliable to start back up for the deceleration and landing burns.

>>16726907
Not a part of this argument. What does this mean?

>>16726942
He's comparing China's liberal minority to America's fifty million niggers

>>16726933
Rockets, like jet engines, need decades of experience and institutional knowledge. One of the reasons China is struggling with reusable rockets today, is because they have little experience with working with kerolox rockets. If they had a few decades of experience with modern cryogenic rockets before the F9 popped onto the scene, copying the F9 would have been a lot faster, with their F9 clones have better performance too. They would probably have a F9 clone in service by now.

As it as, China had to not only figure out their new cryogenic Long March rockets, they also had to figure out how to build reusable rockets at the same time. Not easy, or cheap. It's like a country that refused to develop turbofans for decades, only working with turboprops, than suddenly being expected to develop cutting edge turbofans within a decade, it's not gonna happen. Sure both systems are quite similar, but far apart enough that skills can't be transferred 1:1.

>The reason hypergolics remain attractive today is because they're a thoroughly mature technology.

Kerolox and hydrolox have been a thing since the 1960s. They are also a very mature technology, there's no excuse for China to not have switched faster and earlier. They just got lazy.
>>16726937
It should be easier but I think the hypergolic fuel degrades the fuel tank and plumbing over time. Also reimbursement and reusing the rocket will be a nightmare, the crew will need to be in full hazard gear at all times when working with a used hypergolic rocket. The entire rocket will need to be decontaminated after every use.

>>16726937
Only the fact that no one likes the hassle of working with intensely toxic propellants. The best part of hypergolic rockets is that you can throw them away once you're done with then and never deal with them again. Making sure that Dragon isn't leaking any propellant after splashdown is easily the worst part of the recovery process. India had a few ideas for reusable vehicles based around their Vikas engines, but it was only going to be a suborbital New Shepard clone for testing out recovery techniques and they seem to have abandoned it in favor of going all in on their their current methalox designs.

>>16726946

> Struggling

Looks like the normal development process, and China is killing far fewer turtles than SpaceX while doing it.

>>16726951
Your mom was toxic but your dad still pumped her..

>>16726946
>they have little experience with working with kerolox rockets.
But they are getting better quickly. They've gone from having a single kerolox engine designed by their main spaceflight bureau to every commercial scam startup designing its own in house proposition. That a good part of why I'm so optimistic that the LM-8A/12 will make good on the aspirations that China had for the LM-7/8.

Hypergolics are a mature technology IN CHINA. The fact that Russia and America have been playing with advanced hydrocarbon engines for decades doesn't mean anything if China is isolated from all of that doing its own thing. And it's not laziness. Like you said, they had to train up their people and build up all of their industrial base on their own, without the benefit of being able to trade engineers and collaborate the way western companies do. Like with turbofans, they had to put in the work, and they're just starting to get to the point where it can pay off in the way that they want.

>>16726953
My friend, you do not know the half of it. My father made some deeply questionable choices.

>>16726900
Russia doesn't move everything to Angara because that would gut much of Russia's spaceflight industrial base.

>>16726904
This is the same mentality that thinks covering a computer in RGB lighting makes it perform better.

>>16726933
>China had to develop almost all the technological expertise to build oxygen-rich staged combustion engines on their own.

That's a funny way of saying reverse engineering Soviet engines they got from Ukraine after the breakup.

>>16726976
I really shouldn't have attached an image to that post

>>16726966
also don't forget that the first methane rocket to make it to orbit was Chinese

>>16726981
They got 1-3 operational RD-120s and some basic technical documentation. The one thing that Ukraine always neglects to mention about their spaceflight program was how all of the serious propulsion engineering work and industrial base for their engines was actually back in Moscow. China got a couple of engines to study but they did not get even a fraction of a percent of the knowledge needed to recreate those engines. If Lockheed had decided to pull the trigger on building domestic RD-180s for Atlas V they would have needed to invest a billion dollars and a decade of time, and that would have been with the full cooperation of NPO Energomash. China taking twenty years to go from the RD-120 purchase to the first flight of the LM-6 was moving pretty quickly considering everything they had to reverse engineer and recreate.

>>16726984
You really should go home and rethink your life.

>>16726830
>And he has always said, since 2005 that he expects China to collapse by 2030, not in 6 months.
Elaborate.

>>16726997
pay no attention to how many Chinese rocket components, from engines to capsules, that began development in the nineties are overtly derived from Soviet hardare

>>16726758
>geopolitical expert
lol, lmao
I'm going to put this on my business cards

>>16726997
Lockheed doesn't make rocket engines, you are thinking of AJR who made an American copy of the RD-180.

They did it in less than a decade by the way.

>>16726830
>degree in asian studies

>>16727016
The AR1 is not "an American copy of the RD-180." That engine was also never completed, in a decade or otherwise, and it leaned pretty heavily on designs like the RS-84 and RS-76, which were also test programs that were never completed.

And it was actually Pratt & Whitney that was going to set up for stateside RD-180 production. It was still expected to take a over decade with Russian assistance.

>>16727027
2014-2021 is 7 years

>>16726764
>>16726773
Fuck I hate these post-post-post-post-post-post ironic shit posters who think they're funny by pretending to be on twenty different levels of retardation.

>>16727034
I gotta be honest man sometimes people are just retarded

>>16727030
The design work began with the RS-76 around 1998, so that's a lot closer to 23 years. And again, he AR1 was never finished, nor was it in any way a copy of or derived in any way from the RD-180. All of those experiments in American staged hydrocarbon propulsion were unrelated designs aiming for a similar performance point.

>>16726894
>>16726899
Before WWI, America had a per capita GDP 25% higher than that of Britain. Today America has a per capita GDP 3x that of China. And yes, this is PPP.

>>16727034
>MUSK IS MY FUCKING HERO HE CAN DO NO WRONG1/!!!!11

>>16726687
Elon is so full of himself right now; which isn’t necessarily an intrinsically bad thing for a “doer” and men of great capability such as himself. But obviously too much of it is a bad thing. He needs to fall into a bit of depression and feel in his heart and soul that ‘it’s over’ so he can react and bring forth a grandiose ‘we’re so back’
I hate to say it but the next flight being a success will just reinforce him positively. I hope it fails and he sits in a dark room with his head in his lap

>>16727066
saying musk and putin aren't allied isn't saying musk can do no wrong

>>16727034

It's not ironic. It's irate Elon is tard bouncing off the walls breaking everything.

>A look at the Starship static fire launch mount adapter stand today. This is expected to be lifted onto the launch mount in the near future for static fire testing Starship 37 ahead of Starship test flight 10.

https://x.com/StarshipGazer/status/1945935819816006121

>>16726830
Mods get /pol/ out of /sfg/

I’ve been thinking about some wild shit. Picture two planets, not some dumbass moon crap, but two actual planets, same size, stuck together by gravity, spinning around each other while going around a star. They’re pulling on each other like a couple of assholes, sharing a barycenter that’s not inside either one, just wobbling through space without smashing. None of that primary-secondary bullshit, just two equals fucking with each other’s orbits but not falling apart. I’m calling it a duo-planet. Came up with it myself. Has nobody ever thought of this shit before?

>>16727123
/pol/ will take any opportunity they can get to suck chink dick

>>16727121
which ones are the jupiter and saturn moons that can have stable satellites?

>>16727125
Almost all asteroids are binary contacts but I don't think this is possible with planet-sized objects.

>>16727132
Callisto, Titan, and Iapetus.

>>16726830
He also says in an interview that US carriers can get up on a hydroplane at 90 knots to outmanoeuvre Iranian hypersonic missiles. He’s a grade A radioactive clown.

>>16727038
The RS-76 was a proposed engine that was not derived from Russian engines, development of the AR1 did not begin until 2014.

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/19990007761/downloads/19990007761.pdf

>>16727134
How does it show erosion at the contact point like that?
And how do the craters appear so faded?
Does billions of years of micrometeorite impacts act like weather?

>>16727010
>t. Nation whose entire rocket program was built off of the backs captured German Scientists and their existing looted hardware tested, modified and reproduced

Dont want to hear it fatso

>>16727142
Every big multi-meganewton rocket engine that Rocketdyne or Areojet worked on buildt heavily on the last, recently-canceled project that was trying to build the exact same thing. If you told them to start working on a 4000 kN hydrocarbon engine with 330s of vacuum impulse, the first thing they're going to do is dust off the work for the 4000 kN 330s engine you told them was canceled last year. The AR1 was just the final attempt in a long string of failed projects that stretched back the mid to late 90s but probably inherited substantial work from various LRB and advanced transportation studies from the late 80s.

>>16727146
So all of them, to varying degrees of directness?

>>16727153
Yes, that’s why whining about China using and learning from Russian shit is retarded.

When Start Shit Launch'/??

>>16727125
Read "Rocheworld" (titled "Flight of the Dragonfly" in some markets)

>>16727143
Are you assuming they are made out of solid rock? They could be globs of gravel barely held together by gravity.

China<-Soviets<-Germans
America<-Germans
And yet Germany has no space program
Explain

>>16727125
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_planet

>>16727152
Your meds, sir.

>>16727146
>Von Braun did everything

Thirdie seethe has reached new levels.

>>16726830
If you predict something long enough, eventually it will happen. In Zeihan's case, he's probably going to die before China collapses but maybe in a couple of hundred years, he will be considered a visionary for seeing China's fall centuries ahead of time.

>>16727190
Nigger can't read.

>>16727191
>Pete didn't say the collapse would happen quickly, he said in 2030
>Image: Fall of China in 2 months
Anons can read just fine and see this guy has been predicting the imminent collapse of China since he was elevated to his position. The "he never said it would collapse before 2030" is a pathetic cope easily disproved by anyone who can read or even just listen to what he's actual said rather than what some coping anon pretends he didn't say.
This isn't reddit where the truth can be down voted into oblivion. The proof that this clown has been predicting the immediate collapse of China is right in front of everyone. There's no down vote circle jerk here to save you.

>>16727197
>says China will collapse by 2030
>someone else slaps 'CHINA COLLAPSE IN SIX MONTHS CONFIRMED!' on top
>"lol he's been predicting this for decades"
Leave, /pol/nigger. Go be nonwhite somewhere else.

>>16727125

>>16727168
Germany has been occupied for 80 years

>named Zeihan
>only talks about China
>贼喊捉贼
What did Zeihan mean by this?

>>16727238
Yeah, we're pretty much done stomping on this guy's balls. You got anything else spaceflight to talk about?

>>16727241
Do you want to talk about how all the aliens are gay? Sadly there's no spaceflight worth mentioning until Starship gets back on track

inb4 what about some gay bullshit no one cares about

>>16727250
We can talk about how aliens are hermaphrodites.

why do these retards want to shove AI into everywhere when AI is fucking garbage for anything that takes accuracy

>>16727254
does it work like with worms, where they fight about who gets to do the insemination part and who has to grow the eggs?

>>16727259
It operates on the Anna Karenina principle: all heterosexual aliens are alike; each gay alien is gay in its own way.

>>16727255
suckers will give you alot of money if you say your company has AI

>>16727255
>AI is fucking garbage for anything that takes accuracy
Never once have I found an AI which can reduce a military history book into accurate chronological notes. If AI can't do something as simple as that it's pretty much useles. All it does right now is provide quick answers to superficial mainstream questions. It only has that niche because search engines have become unuseable.

>>16727259
No. They just both inseminate each other.

>>16727255
Techbros want to get everyone on the A[G]I subscription service. There is this idea that 'AIdollars' replaces 'Petrodollars'

>>16726714
>we'd be swimming in returned samples.
For what purpose? Collecting roggs is not spaceflight

>>16727143
>Does billions of years of micrometeorite impacts act like weather?
Yes
That's why moondust is the way it is

>>16726687
That's fine honestly
I wouldn't want that retard planning a colony
So long as he gets this shitheap called Starship working reliably before he dies of fat, other people can build real interplanetary ships in orbit

Buzz is the thinking mans astronaut, Neil is slop for the masses. One small step for man is cringe. Magnificent desolation is pure soul.

>>16727292
Ummm hello, based department?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14916225/Felix-Baumgartner-dead-56-Daredevil-jumped-space-killed-paragliding-crash.html

>>16727297
Bezos escape system

>>16727292
the real patricians astronauts flew on apollo 17, but if we're selecting from 11 mike is the go to

>>16727297
F

>>16727297
nooooo

>>16727297
he got REALLY close to dying on that jump. and then soon after a literallywho google dude broke the record lol

>>16727310
The records been beaten like 3 or 4 times over I think, but the baumgartner red bull jump was a big PR deal. Seized the public zeitgeist like the space shuttle did, everyone thinks of it

BQD housing (one of two) for Starbase Pad B

>>16727310
>with a drogue
shouldn't count
and Felix is still the first ever human to break the sound barrier in pants only

>>16727314
>big PR deal
yes, no one knows who the new record holder is, everyone knows baumgartner

>>16727314
someone needs to jump out of bezos's carnival ride.
legitimize that rocket and set a real mans record at the same time

>>16727255
>hedge funds invest in AI
>hedge funds already own normal companies
>hedge funds tell normal companies to use the AI they invested in
>managers that don't know anything zealously insist the real workers under them to utilize AI everywhere
basically the big guys spent some dough which means it has completely percolated through every level of business culture and operations. note the actual effectiveness of the tech didn't enter the equation once

>>16727315
woow this is really what they force the welding spics to live in?

>>16727320
space force can invest in this project

>need fuel
>need oxidizer
>need to vent waste heat
what the fuck I do that

tomorrow is Friday. big space news drops on Fridays.

>>16727297
Kek its like when u watch those crazy wingsuit videos on YouTube and the top comment is almost always “rip this nigga died 2022 doing what he loved”

>>16727337
I miss r/wpd, lots of fascinating BASE failure videos on that.
I wonder if I'm not mentally healthy.

>>16726764
>I don't follow the Ukraine Russia war much
kek, it's all you zionists think about, and all you talk about on here is how NATO and the US (you know, your "fellow whites") need to go to war with Russia to defend the ZOG in Kiev. I hope your evil little crime HQ in the Middle East gets nuked.

I asked Grok why Elon makes rockets out of steel in our foul year of the lord 2,000 and 25, and it told me about Richard Branson's skill issues with composite materials and how Elon really knows about tungsten after all for exhaust parts. These guys are just all huge materials skill issues, huh?

>>16727344
steel is delightfully counterintuitive

https://x.com/MAstronomers/status/1945994464868086082
>Astronomers capture FIRST close-up image of interstellar Comet that entered our solar system recently

>>16727355
lil nigga

>>16727355
is it a good idea to put probes on these interstellar objects in order to explore the galaxy?

>>16727314
Yes it was very memorable, and also Joe Kittinger being a part of it - was all very, very kino. Just searched and he died in 2022, aged 94.

do we know who drilled the hole? it's been years

>>16727361
it was obviously russian incompetence

i cant believe its been 7 years since the hole incident. time fucking FLIES.

>>16727361
vatnik in production facility 328 who was a bit more hangover than usual was not too carefull with his drill and tried to hide his mistake only for the patch to start leaking when exposed to vaccuum of space

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFiubdrJqqI

>>16727358
To put a probe onto the surface of a comet like 3I/Atlas, you'd need to match the speed of the comet in the first place, so there's no point in trying to hitch a ride.

>>16727370
yeah but you wouldnt need shielding for the probe since the comet would fuck everything up in its path

>>16727368
neat

>>16727370
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tV3pR87L-T8

>>16727370
Starship willl solve this

>>16727387
Starship could lift a very high ISP, high Delta-V spacecraft into space, but even refueled and expended, a Starship wouldn't contribute much of the Delta-V total.

>>16727391
Stagger several tankers along the way just like scuba divers do with their oxygen tanks.

>>16727410
Your required flight count grows exponentially per the Rocket Equation.

just use a plasma magnet sail

Why doesnt Zubrin start the Mars colony fund?

>>16727416
cool, where can I get one?

>>16727417
he's a jew

>>16727391
With a depot you can go anywhere.

Be that depot for the Starship, or the kick stage

/sfg/ has been cancelled due to budget constraints

>>16726830
Go back to /pol/

>>16727454

He's fluffing this guy on multiple boards. Pretty creepy.

>>16727391

R* what say you?

> 6900 m/s for 100 t payload is the last confirmed afaik. It's been a while though. If you run the numbers it seems to be based on 380 s Isp and 120 t dry mass. If you remove the payload it goes up to just above 8000 m/s.

R* also saying that's enough dV to send 100 ton probe toward Jupiter without an additional kick stage.

>>16727470
>100 ton probe toward Jupiter
sexo

Where the FUCK is the next launch?
Jeff, do the needful as asap as possible.

>>16727361
It was drunk Ivan at the POCKOCMOC factory.
If you ever seriously thought anything else you were either a moron or a Putin dick sucker.

>>16727486
Jeff is allergic to orbit.

>>16727178
He literally did everything. Multiple people in the apollo program said it would never have worked without him. Not to mention what happened to americas space program after the germans all retired.
Also, anyone remember vanguard?

>>16726620 (OP)
Timeline bros...

>>16727497
At least we got the chopstick catch.
And I don't see anyone bothering to predict New Glans in that pic.

>>16727314
>Seized the public zeitgeist like the space shuttle did
I used to be so annoyed as a kid that people cared about some jackass falling to earth and not about kino shuttle reentry. And the fact they thought he was
>FALING FROM SPAYCE"
and that it was the exact same as spacecraft reentry

>>16727340
>ZOG in Kiev
You are utterly delusional.
USA Israel and RUSSIA are the Zog triumverate. Putin and Trump are both Jews and even follow the same cult (cult of Chabad Lubavitch) which is why Trump has been so reluctant to punish Putin in any way.
Democrats are objectively less zogged than republicans, and they support Ukraine more than MAGA which is the peak ZOG movement iin America. Zelensky is an atheist married to a Christian woman. His kids are Christian. Copare this to Trump and Putin. All of Trump and Putin's kids are Jewish. Both are gentile golems who have converted to serve Chabad. Who is more ZOG?

>>16727497
2035 moon landing is ambitious. These guys are just naive

>>16727518
Maybe the National Team is quieter about their lander progress.

>>16727497
So we are all in agreement that none of this is true, right?

>>16727528
I would bet that National Team is at least 3 years ahead with having a funcitonal system. New Glenn works to spec today, so could launch the mission now. Meanwhile we all know about Starship. Even if it orbits perfectly next flight it is insanely below design spec to the point of being completely useless for misisons beyond LEO.
And the National team lander itself is a much more conservative design. Both SpaceX and National team are probably having serious issues trying to get their cryogenic propellant to stay cryogenic for 2+ weeks in space, but national team has way more institutional expertise than SpaceX. They are full of oldhead engineers who have worked on this stuff before. So they with probably solve it better than SpaceX despite working with hydromeme.

>>16727534
two weeks

>>16727552
lol lmao even

>>16727497
tbf nobody expected starship to have endless problems

>>16727564
We all expected that, retard. It’s just that we also expected Musk to stay interested and the TX team to stay motivated enough to push past them in due time. Which, according to insiders, musk is now distant and morale is low.
The iterative program was always expected to have many problems

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1944819507954082236

>>16727585
What am I supposed to watch until then?

>>16727552
We might not be able to land by 2030 but the advantage is we're figuring out difficult cryo solutions whereas China is doing a more Apollo-like architecture. Long-term this will allow us to deliver more cargo and carry out much more demanding surface operations.

>>16727302
The lack of apparent gravity in orbit leads to truly massive shits.

>>16727605
no wonder guys used to feel sick at first.

Solar Thermal Propulsion beats all for /sfg/
A solar thermal rocket using a concentrator made from the materials being developed for solar sails and using hydrogen as the propellant, will give higher delta V at lower cost than - Chemical rockets, nuclear thermal rockets, solar electric propulsion, or nuclear electric propulsion.
With Isp 900s and mass ratios of just 4, you get delta v of over 12km/s, with aerobraking 50-60 days to Mars.

>>16726687
>Peter Thiel is on record saying he and friend radually convinced Musk that Mars is not habitable within his lfietime
@grok is this true?

>>16727585

Total Sea Turtle Death

>>16727585
Can we make it... 2?

The Hawaiians are bitching again. Don't they ever shut up?

>>16727629
I hope when china wins the 2nd pacific war that they make hawaii independent so we don't have to hear about this stuff anymore.

*-ACK*
spacex's cargo landing for the military got axed due to locals and birbs

>SpaceX won't use Johnston Atoll for rocket cargo tests. Johnston Atoll, an unincorporated US territory and Pacific island wildlife refuge with a complicated military history, will no longer become a SpaceX reusable rocket test site, Popular Science reports. "The Department of the Air Force has elected to hold the preparation of the Johnston Atoll Environmental Assessment for a proposed rocket cargo landing demonstration on Johnston Atoll in abeyance while the service explores alternative options for implementation," Air Force spokesperson Laurel Falls said.

>Taking a toll on the atoll ... Located roughly 860 miles southwest of Hawaii, Johnston Atoll has served as a base for numerous US military operations for over 90 years. Despite this, the atoll remains a home for 14 tropical bird species as part of the Pacific Remote Islands Marine National Monument. The site had been under consideration for tests as part of a military program to deliver cargo around the planet, using suborbital missions on rocket such as SpaceX's Starship vehicle. The Johnston Atoll plans included the construction of two landing pads that were met with public backlash from wildlife experts and indigenous representatives.
https://arstechnica.com/space/2025/07/rocket-report-avio-celebrates-independence-pld-outlines-grand-ambitions/

At the end of every SpaceX video, the jingle should be a British woman saying "Space Exploration Technologies" in a soft tender voice.

>>16727638
bullish on the australian outback starship spaceport

>>16727623
yes, in 2 weeks

>>16727559
How many times does reality have to hit you like a cream pie in your clown face? You are the same stype of guy who was claiming Starship HLS would land on the moon by 2026

>>16727641
I'm British and I hate the way British women speak. Swedish women sound much nicer.

>>16727629
Why does anybody pretend they have to be respectful of dumb belief systems?
>muh sacred mountain
That's nice now move

>>16727647
Nords can't pronounce their S' correctly though. If it were a Swedish woman, it would sound like "Shpashe Exshploration Technologiesh".

>>16727117
I can't wait for them to blow up the only launch tower they have at the moment

>>16727654
That won't happen and it can only support the next two flights at most anyway so it needs to come down.

>>16727643
Anon its even worse over here

>>16727534
add 10, 20, 30 and 40 years respectively to those dates and it'll probably be true then.
>>16727623
2+(2/2) weeks

>>16727629
>>16727631
I'd happily cede the islands to the Chinese, they could clean up the uppity natives and probably build a 40 meter telescope too, as well as multiple launch and landing zones for rockets.
These islands are a net loss for America because tourism they have nothing to offer. An observatory and rocket launch platform are their only practical purpose but those polynesianggers are blocking it all so why even bother
Like Puerto Rico, these islands are a hard pass for all uses

>>16726700
Oof remember showing my father that site as a child.

>>16727650
Stop! My dick can only get so hard!!

>>16727664
Did you show it unironically?
It was surreal how the media were parroting such a transparent scame for a while. Must have been a slow news year.

>>16727673
At the time it was all we had, even if you didn't buy in. Imagine how bad the state of spaceflight was when the best plan available was "start landing capsules and then just live in those, dude".

>>16727664
>>16727673
I saw that in one of the papers we had at school and it filled my dumb little mind with so much hope for the future.

>>16727605
the interview by private astronaut Richard Garriott comparing the NASA vs Russian space toilets is pretty funny. Only the Russian one accounted for the immensely long grogans.

>>16727683
Yay, fresh spectacular explosion soon!

>>16727684
It's one of his favorite stories. I've been around him a few times and I think I've heard it in person at least three times.

>>16727693
(specifically the story about taking a shit on ISS, and yeah, five days of shit stores up inside you while you're in zero-gee)

>>16726997
Pratt & Whitney is licensed to produce the RD-180, but idk how much technical information was shared. Either way it looks like ULA has more than enough engines for Atlas 5 last missions. Glad to see this arrangement canceled buying anything from russia doesn't end well.

>>16727683
meh

>>16727711
Remember when this guy got mogged by raptor 3?

>>16727468
To match 3I/Atlas' speed at infinity you need to match 60 km/s.

Was M. Elon ever serious about Mars?
If he really wanted to go there, he could do that with Falcon 9.

>>16727715

>>16727713
I remember when he got mogged by Jeff Whom

>>16727718
mmmm, mirvs

>>16727711
Lmao, actually true.
>>16727713
>Remember when this guy got mogged by raptor 3?
That engine which has been allegedly working perfectly for 2+ years but has never flown?

>>16727735
You must not remember "fires pretty good for partially assembled engine"

>>16727737
You must not remember the Starship flight test program

spaceflight

>>16727737

>>16727738
What does that have to do with whether raptor 3 works?

>>16727753
4 explosions in a row caused by faulty v2 engines and still no raptor 3 (the plumbing issues are due to raptor 2)

>>16727683

>>16727760
You immediately discredit anything you have to say as only one of the four recent failures was caused by a Raptor 2 exploding.

>>16727715

Chasing and matching is essentially impossible without magic tech like fusion drives. Flybys are possible if you have an early enough detection, a probe loitering or ready to go, and launch to a spot and let the I object come to you.

>>16727760
Two (2) posts above yours is a vid of raptor 3 firing.

>>16727766
If we simply had a space telescope around Mars, it would have helped a lot. But only by accident, there's no guarantee that stuff like this will go anywhere near where we could have stuff already set up.
At least Rubin should let us catch more of these things going by. I want to see what Hullo's asteroid visualization animation looks like a year from now.

>>16727764
You need to go back to school to learn how to read and write if you seriously think I said it was raptor 2 exploding. Get your head checked.
>>16727770
>LOOK HERES A CHERRY PICKED VIDEO OF OUR ENGINE ON THE TEST STAND, THEREFORE IT IS FLIGHT READY, IGNORE ALL THE TIMES IT EXPLODES!!!!

>>16727775
When has raptor 3 exploded?

>>16727778
They've blown up at least a few of them on the test stands in McGregor. This is normal for how SpaceX qualifies new engines.

>>16727778
Here is a sci-slop channel reporting on one for you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOGLE3ihUko&t

>>16727763
Think S37 has its engines installed?

>>16727739

>>16727778
All the time. Parts of it keeps melting even though the superalloy is support temperatures associated with (FF)SC.

>>16727808
supposed to*

>>16727808
>superalloy
remember musks ridiculous arc where hewanted to replace all parts with stainless steel, even engine parts? He fired a lot of good engineers over that.

>>16727775
>if you seriously think I said it was raptor 2 exploding
>4 explosions in a row caused by faulty v2 engines

>>16727647
>تقنيات استكشاف الفضاء

>>16727664
I was 12 years old and knew it was bullshit. Namely because the business model was a TV show and I felt it would be fucking boring

>>16727843
>every moon besides ours is an irradiated ice cube
what the fuck

>>16727610
It does seem strange to lug fuel around or coast when there's so much ambient energy

>>16727831
Can you not read the contents of brackets?

>>16727846
???

>>16727853
>a human on Io would reach their annual safe dose in 2 minutes
It's an ice cube - irradiated spectrum except every point along it is completely useless and uninhabitable

>>16727598
Porn

>>16727623
No. It must be 3.

>>16727857
>Unlike most moons in the outer Solar System, which are mostly composed of water ice, Io is primarily composed of silicate rock surrounding a molten iron or iron sulfide core.
???

>>16727852
No anon you don't get to weasel out of blaming Flight 9 and an exploding COPV on Raptor 2.

>>16727866
Flight 9 was due to a fiel leak due to bad plumbing due to raptor 2.

>>16727864
That would put it on the irradiated side of the ice cube - irradiated spectrum

>>16727869
Ok, you should've said it's on the spectrum, instead of typing literally "it's an ice cube" which most people would misinterpret.

>>16727871
My sincere apologies good sir

How did (you) end up on this side of the aisle?

>>16727881
Spehs led me to roggets. Trains are lame and gay inventions. Shouldve been left in the 20th century.

>>16727881
trains are boring as shit

>>16727881
Why not both?

>>16727881
Trains are boring autismo shit. I don't know why this rocket autism is being pushed when it's inherently non-autistic and high-T.

>>16727881
Gotta be honest, I don't really remember.
I got into this around the same time as the first starship test articles but thats definitely not the reason and rather I became a tank watcher because of something else.
Actually maybe it was because of me brainstorming a sci fi setting at the time and I looked up futuristic rocket engines for it and that lead me here.
No that setting never went anywhere and I abandoned it cause hard sci fi is boring.

>>16727889
>>16727884
Agreed.

>>16727891
>hard sci fi is boring
I hope this is just baiting for recommendations

>>16727881
I can see knowing models and numbers for vehicles that will eventually lead to a species level achievement. But knowing models and numbers for vehicles that haul Amazon orders across the continent? Or Amtrak??? I will never understand

>>16727899
Still way better than being autistic about anime

>>16727897
It's true

>>16727897
It's not bait but I'll clarify. if boring if you want to write with actual characters instead of settings notes.
Sure orions arm is fun to read but the only stories in it are microfiction and I wasn't really interested in that.

>>16727889
To enjoy the engineering magnificence of a rocket is an autistic trait. Females can never understand. Rockets are for the high functioning austist and trains are for the low functioning one who is a bit retarded and just sees big machine go chug chug chug

Will normies ever be able to appreciate engineering like we do bros?

Steam locomotives have jets though

>>16727913
looks familiar...

I derive pleasure from turbomachinery

>>16727913
thats a raptor engine you idiot.

https://youtu.be/Jmk5frp6-3Q

The deficit doesn’t get addressed whether you bitch about it or not. The epstein files, too, evidently don’t get unveiled whether or not you fight that uphill battle either. I don’t understand the point of burning all of your good will and getting your cherry-picked admin for NASA pulled. Unironically what is the master plan here?

>>16727929
Trump glanced over at an immigration graph and it spared his life from a bullet.
Musk glanced at a “NASA funding vs Starlink revenue” graph and decided to end his own career

>>16727932
What did Musk do to end his own career?

>>16727933
You don't remember his meltdown?

Imagine the views from PM-1.

>>16727881
Trains stopped being cool when diesels took over, and nostalgia for the past is useless if you don't want to use it as a benchmark to exceed.

>>16727932
Last I checked Elon is still the head of all of his companies, what career did he end?

how do the schizos even find /sci/

>>16727933
His political contentness, rather. He’s too autistic to grit his teeth and stay quiet and play the long game. People were probably making fun of doge and the epstein list right next to him. Instead of playing house of cards he had a melty, as autists do

>>16727936
No. QRD?

>>16727936
which one?

>>16727888
>>16727881
Trains are very leading edge

>>16727974
ARE NOT christ I need sleep

>>16727974
I personally do all three, teehee

Oh for Pete's sake, what now?

>>16727980
They are likely pulling up pieces of Boosters that did ocean landings.

>>16727983
I already scavanged those and sold it for scrap. The shit the turbines are made of in particular made me good money.

>>16727986
Xin Ling from California prefecture paid extra

The ship is in Mexican waters. Seems like drifting debris from Elon's Death Rocket is about to Holocaust a marine sanctuary.

Poor sea turtles.

>>16727647
You only say that because you can't understand them.

>>16727678
>>16727677
Yup
Had flying cars too
Lol it was one of little pamphlets that taught me about the frogs turning gay long before Alex Jones.

>>16727677
At that time SpaceX was doing the F9 booster landing development. And this is back when Elon actually cared about Mars, so I had a deep optimism for the future, there was no need to fall for obvious scams.

>>16727979
Prove your not a gigahon

>>16728004
I will get banned like last time.

>>16727684
>>16727693
>>16727695
I saw him talk at Quakecon 2010 about the flight, cool stuff. I uploaded a gamespot recording if the talk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11umU6SCj5w

>>16727938
IT IS HAPPENING!!!! NSF FLAME TRENCH IS LIVE IS LIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EiIgYsuMIs

>>16727684
link it

>>16727881
My dad grew up in Florida, so I had a Titan IV poster over my bed as a kid

>>16727980
HOLY FUCKING SHIT IT'S HAPPENING

>>16727980
checking for bullet holes

Whats the spaceflight equivalent of Q-anon?

>>16728121
QI thruster fags

>>16727980
Aliens, its the only answer

>>16728121
You mean disinfo spread by the FBI to discredit associated conspiracy theories? Probably flat earth

>>16726638
based

>IVO drive hasn't even been switched on yet
>the announcement on July 9 was just that they were next in line

Rogue/IVO sure are taking their sweet time here

>vast's station goes up next year
do we think it will get enough interest to sell out every flight to it?

>>16728173
Yes, expect partnership with SpaceX I bet

>>16728173
Probably not

>>16727881
i dont like rockets (mostly 90% plumbing) I like spaceflight

armored trains and shinkansen are cool though i guess

>>16728173
Is that the one they're going to leave in the ISS's spot or the one that's a one-room cuckshed

>>16728173
Well it's between two choices: NO, and Fuck NO

>>16728178
cuckshed

>>16728177
>That shuttle pic
Every time I've ever seen suttle in orbit, especially docked to a station, I'm in awe. Something about that big delta wing travelling at orbital velocity yet not picking up lift becuase it's in space is so visceral. It talks to my lizard brain.

>>16728182
It's just a giant F-104

What does /sfg/ think the density of alien technological civilization is? thousands of times per galaxy? once per galaxy? once in the universe?

>>16728186
once per universe ;(

>>16728186
Probability is such that it could be all of those things simultaneously and we would never know due to the size of the universe

>>16728186
Zero in the universe

>>16728186
N/A based on lack of data. We’ve quite literally “barely scratched the surface” of looking in our own solar system outside of earth. Modern probes don’t even dig, the most we’ve done is a couple of heat probe drills but even then they weren’t looking for microbes or anything.
For all we know mars could be teeming with life in the right places. Europa could have a dense biosphere and we would currently be oblivious to it because we haven’t bothered to actually go look.
By all accounts, there are probably dozens of places off-earth that should have all the ingredients to support earth extremophiles. If we actually bother to go investigate and we find life, then the universe is probably pretty full of it and ‘abiogenesis’ of some degree is probably common on water worlds and/or spreads commonly within systems to other bodies.
If we look and find nothing despite exhaustive efforts, then idk we are probably pretty alone out here.

>>16728182
yeah winged spaceplanes will always be super cool

>>16728173
Aint shit "going up"

>>16727641
Space X Groupu~

>>16728197
To be fair, NASA has repeatedly and explicitly avoided making probes that are even capable of detecting life, and simultaneously avoided landing in anything in places where there probability of finding life is above zero. Thank environmentalism, scientism, and planetary protectionism for that.

Fuck you.

>>16727881
You fags aren't autismmaxxing hard enough enough

in every 2001 book sequel there's a part about life in the clouds of Jupiter

>>16728144
its hard to decide which one is more retarded, but Id say I need to go with flat urf

>>16728186
About half a dozen visiting this planet to do anal probes, troll pilots and collect gametes to create hybrids for infiltrating the native population of primitive naked primates

remember that rockets are just primitive technology to futurefags. they are currently laughing their asses off that spacex cant solve simple basic problems.

https://x.com/Dillonshrop06/status/1946313162032287825
> A Twilight Effect 'Jellyfish' may occur tonight, visible to much of SW USA and NW Mexico! A 'Twilight Effect' is possible with tonight's launch of SpaceX Starlink Mission 17-3! Current T-0 is set for 8:51 p.m. PT (0351 UTC)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lvj4qGr7t3w
T-30:00

Heads up, everyone

>>16728216
I think of this often but also I think about showing the founding fathers modern technology like smartphones and the common airliner

>>16728217
Kino incoming

Live

Oh no you guys it's on fire!

>>16728217
https://x.com/i/broadcasts/1lPKqMBAwwdKb
SpaceX streams up
T-4:00

woosh

This should look good from the ground

Jellyfish as seen from Falcon 9

yay

Like a glove.

That's a bit closer than usual

Didn’t the FAA say they were working to ban sunset and near-sunset launches? Buzzkills

why is this new channel always in my recommendations? is it any good? im about to block it because it doesnt go away.

>>16728241
its a new side channel from the NSF folx
for more serious space news or something like that idk

>>16728240
I haven't heard that

I miss spaceflight

>>16728255
Couldnt see shit from Mesa, gay

goodnight

>>16728186
too many variables
too many unknown unknowns
too much extrapolating from a single example

I made a formula that spews out number of civilisations, assuming their life conditions will be somewhat similar to Earth (water and carbohydrate based, can't survive hard radiation, etc.)
But we just don't know the varibles. Even number of stars in our galaxy is ballpark estimate 100–400 billion.
The numbers are anywhere between couple million civilisations per galaxy to couple million galaxies per civilisation.

the values I deemed "most probable" gave me a ballpark of around 10 civilizations in our galaxy, so until proven otherwise, I believe that number is good as any other educated guess

>>16728197
"extremephiles can survive there for a couple of years in hibernation" and "conditions are so good life could spark into existence abiotically" is not even comparing apples to oranges

>>16726620 (OP)
China is really collapsing bros: https://x.com/SpoxCHN_MaoNing/status/1945380102570676574?

>>16728182
it was big and heavy and expensive but it was still cool

>>16728216
I think demonstrsting the capability to visit other worlds qualifies as high-technology. Though the moon is very close, maybe we would never have been able to visit Mars if the moon didn't exist. And I often think about what Jeff Who says about the moon landings. He says that such effort was made that the event was essentially dragged forward in time by 100 or so years. He may be right, perhaps naturally we haven't reached my definition of high-technology yet, because we clearly can't land a man on the moon.

>>16728182
Does that flap beneath the enginges move or is it just a shield?

>>16728373
Musk is one of the dancers at this point

>>16728367
The Body Flap a moveable surface that aids with pitch control
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/citations/19850008657
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/citations/19850008657

Spacenews put the development of NTP under the 'military' section.

>>16728388
fuck them and their paywall bullshit, greedy fucks get big off of being free and open for years then slam the door shut with a paywall system

>>16728388
>New study calls for rapid development of space nuclear power systems
I agree!

>>16728409
could you sea launch a stage zero orion, maybe out on the shelf like where the spacex oil rigs were gonna be?

>>16728407
Greedy as hell. What type of person even willfully pays for a subscription to spacenews? The deranged idiots in the comments maybe lol

>>16728413
>The deranged idiots in the comments maybe lol
maybe thats why they made the paywall to get away from them or at least make profit off them lmao

>>16728182
Meh, doesn’t pick up much lift in the atmosphere either

>>16728407
I'd imagine companies in aerospace and space policy have monthly subscriptions, it's nothing you can't find on twitter tho

>>16728186
Even if there is life on other planets, even intelligent life forms with which we could in principle communicate, they won't necessarily reproduce sexually and even those that do will not necessarily have two sexes. Even if they have two sexes they may be simultaneous hermaphrodites or serial hermaphrodites. They may produce alternating generations of organisms that exist only to sexually reproduce like plants. Even supposing that they have two sexes which they keep their entire lives and their reproduction is essentially conventional by human standards there's no reason to expect they would have the same gender roles that humans do, even less that their gender roles would align with their reproductive ones. In other words, the aliens aren't straight. They're gay. THE UNIVERSE IS FULL OF FAGS!

>>16728421
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-S6GrwH6IQ&

40 billion Earthlike worlds in our galaxy alone. potential that at least some of them are at least 90% similar to humans (but maybe full of futas) is not unpossible

>>16728421
>they won't necessarily reproduce sexually and even those that do will not necessarily have two sexes.
On the contrary
Two sexes is the most stable solution to the reproductive question

>>16728423
Aint no way there are 40 billion. If you have a very liberal defenition then maybe.

>>16728443
he just decided (rocky planet with potentials for liquid water) as the criteria, yeah its a bit excessive, probably more like 5-10 billion

>>16728423
> 40 minute AI slop

Gee thanks.

Skylon my beloved

>>16728461
Skylon pissed me off with how absurdly unrealistic it was. It was always OBVIOUSLY a front for developing engines for military technology. This jet seems more real.

>>16728450
literally none of that is AI you stupid fucking colossal retard simpleton who can't recognize 3D CGI

a slop flew over my house

>>16728173
Is a dragon flight still a quarter of a billion dollars? When your week long vacation costs double that of a Billionaire's Row penthouse your market is extremely small.

>>16728186
Statistically there's no reason to believe life should occur twice in the same causality bubble

>>16728484
anon it's like 65mil

>>16728412
Most likely such things will be built and launched from Mars

>>16728487
Why did I think that

>>16728487
maybe per person

>>16728495
ah yeah for NASA, you're right.

>>16728468
BAE brought the SABER engine design, it'll be powering hypersonics in the near future if it isn't already.

>>16728475
Just regular slop, then?
Didn't watch it, by the way

>>16728412
best place to launch from is the poles so the radiation doesn't get stuck in the magnetic field

Senate appropriations committee pushed back on NASA budget cuts but it seems like the orange pedo has done some permanent damage.

>>16728514
my experience at JSC is there are a good number of experienced people that have left, which has had legitimate impact on some program 'cohesion', but so far nothing catastrophic. just some delays while shoes get filled.

>>16728514
Does NASA even have anyone worthwhile? Maybe a little dramatic, but you can make a ton of money in the private sector in space right now (all investor capital, granted). Is there anyone there besides boomers and the usual suspects?

>>16728514
why do redditors type like they are always crying with rage, red-hot with blood vessels and foaming mouths. It’s very unhealthy

>>16728520
yes, please dont fall for the MAGA troll nonsense. Although you seem too far gone since you included the "usual suspects" dogwhistle.
Look, obviously like any org anywhere on the planet there are productive people and non productive people. Pareto principle and all.

>>16728475
What software made the 3D animation?

> AI. No wait! Something that totally wasn't AI!

If you've got proof this goober was sitting at a computer animating that in Abobe whatever, I shall withdraw the comment. Otherwise, he wrote a horrible script, read it, and started entering AI prompts.

>>16728522
sounds like it got under your skin, tard

>>16728520
NASA has greater expertise than any private company. Falcon 9 was so flawless and developed so cheaply because SpaceX was given tremenodus NASA expertise for free as part of COTS. Same for Dragon. The first thing SpaceX is developing on it's own is Starship, which is not going the same way as Falcon, to put it lightly.
That's just rockets. There are a million other things needed for manned spaceflight which have no commercial market whatsoever. The only people who know how to do those things are NASA. NASA are geniuses at life support systems for example, the Dragon life support system was designed by NASA, and if SpaceX even goes to the moon or Mars it will 100% be due to NASA built life support.
If you slash NASA funding this shit will literally become a lost technology like Saturn V and we will be 50 years away from manned landing on Mars even if the Starship works as advertised.

Okay, his claim:

>My videos are fully #vfx, made in #blender, no generative AI used at all (people keep asking!)

People keep asking because your videos look like utter shite. But, as promised, I withdrew my AI accusation. For now...

>>16728532
for me it's the lip movements, it doens't seem synced? idk

>>16728528
Even the material science and CFD analysis that everyone (incl other nations) is developed by NASA and US national labs. It's all so underappreciated. Cultists think private sector can replace all these things.

>>16728522
They're losers.

>>16728534
yep, stuff like NIST, USGS makes the modern world work

>>16728534
As an OG SpaceX fan it's infuriating going on /pol/ these days and seeing jackasses who learnt about SpaceX literally last year because of Trump thinking that burning NASA to the ground and giving it all to 'muh private sector' is a good idea.
The one massively positive aspect of SpaceX is that they can catastrophically fail 8+ times and still go strong. NASA is held back by the winds of politics cancelling a program if it has a minor mishap once or often just cancelling it for on reason at all.
Shuttle was only a crap design because congress cheaped out then wouldn't let NASA fix the design flaws once they found them.
IMAGINE if NASA was given the unlimited capital and failure tolerance of SpaceX back in the 80s. Permenant base on the moon would have literally happened.

>>16728537
you're on 4chan buddy

>>16728544
Yes

How do they expect people to live in this for weeks on end?

>>16728570
it's better than how I live

>>16728570
The tremendous diversity depicted in the promo videos will make it all tolerable. I think they can fit as many as 10 at a time, as long as the individuals are of exceptional moral character and mesh perfectly with zero conflicts.
Trust them, they have the conclusive peer reviewed data that we are not privy to, despite the counterintuitive nature of this whole premise.
Truth is, rainbows and unicorns, all around

>>16728581
fuck off

>>16728570
Idk probably with food, water, air, and thermal control

>>16728570
I'm curious where the life support is in this whole thing? Seems like a massive meme.

>>16728586
it doesn't take much to keep humans alive.

NASA is full of smart, hypercompetent and motivated people who knew that they would be doing absolutely nothing of value at NASA, but simply prefer to be employed by the government rather than actually achieving something in the private sector. True heroes, to a man.

>>16728570
They don't, because Elon's plan is stupid.

Use Starship's high payload capacity and rapid reusability to construct a suitable Mars transfer vehicle in orbit. Use Starships as descent/ascent vehicles for habitats, resources, and crew.

That insane retard wants to pack 100 people in one of these things.

>>16728599
It used to be. Now it's filled with women and diversity hires and controlled by them too, alomg with ((((those I can't name on /sci/)))).

When NASA was German and American men, they achieved the impossible. Now they only care about low-risk so yence missions because human expansion into space is seen as an allegory to European colonialism. I'm being 100% serious, this is how these fuckers actually view humanity.

>>16728605
>>>/pol/
please leave

If ISIS & Mossad disappeared, would space elevators take over in the future or can starship keep up?

>>16728605
wow racism, sexism, antisemitism, and retardation allll in one post. you sure are making /sfg/ great again with your insightful posts, Gruppenführer Anon!

>>16728605
"now"? we haven't gone beyond LEO since 1972. go back to /pol/ mr brainrot

>>16728508
@grok is this real?

Some of you are alright. Some of you know the future of the European race among the stars can only be acheieved after crossing specific benchmarks. There's only a few thousand of us across the globe, but I know we'll come to see the light in time. The rest of you are Reddit so yfags who should go back and leave the adults alone.

>>16728606
>>16728611
>doesn't refute any of my points
I won.
>>16728612
You can be pedantic but you know that's what I meant.

>>16728570
It's only for 4 people, and the missions to it are only gonna be 2 weeks long.
>>16728603
That's Vast's space station anon

>>16728616
ok timmy have fun with your masturbatory fantasies of a euro race-war?
you're a sad person

ah I see, clearly we /sfg/ posters need to see the light, obv we need to genocide everyone that isn't a white European to ensure that NASA stops doing "so yence missions".

fucking /pol/ invaders I swear to god

>>16728616
take your lithium

>>16728616
aw SHIT he "won" guys. rip.

>>16728605
>so many black accomplishments in arithmetic, forgotten

/sfg/ is poisoned.

>>16728632
>>>/pol/

>>16728605
Hi anon, I'm Jewish :^)
I'll be sure to bring up your concerns at our next control the world meeting?

sigh

I FREAKING LOVE FALSE COLOR IMAGES OF SPACE
I LOVE SCIENCE

>>16728638
why does mass bend space

>>16728640
fuck offfffffffffffff

just one more space telescope goy and then we can reveal the secrets of the cosmos we promise just one more space telescope

>>16728616
congrats on your victory anon! everyone including your mom and I are proud of you! keep going lil champ :D

>>16728646
if you hate /sfg/ so much you can just leave, what a shocker.
Feel free to write to your congressman if you don't want your taxdollars spent on science. It's a shame to live in a democracy eh? you can always move

>>16728640
>ALL telescope images MUST be within the wavelengths of human vision because- BECAUSE THEY SHOULD BE, OKAY???
Retard

>>16728649
Anon my rods and cones are all screwed up!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oh-My-God_particle neat

>>16728648
I love spaceflight, that's why I'm here to discuss spaceflight, not your galactic soup of the month image.

>>16728658
it seems like you're here to preach race war and genocide. seems a bit off topic innit

>>16728649
>doesn't know about grayscale
>can't imagine that you can display different frequencies separately rather than pretending everything is colored in visible light
I'm glad they've got you designing optical sensors, champ. Otherwise everyone else would have gotten it all wrong.

>>16728661
you really don't know how this all works, do you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWwNNumZDJY

please stop posting

fixed

>>16728664
kek

soupposting seems to trigger the /pol/tard

>>16728660
It's with the goal of human expansion into space in mind. I'd say it's more on-topic than posting doctored images of swirling blobs of gas we will never reach in infinite lifetimes.

At least you posted the actual image of Inceladus and not the fake tiger-stripes one that gets spammed everywhere.

>>16728670
I really can't believe you're for real.
just leave, kid

The bright colors make it extra scientific

>>16728670
Ok, so lets say it's on topic.
What should we discuss then?
How to organize death squads to murder brown people?
How best to infiltrate the government to put pro-genocide people in charge?
Methods of triggering a race war?
I'm serious, if you are literally only on /sfg/ to preach killing anyone that isn't a white European because you actually "care about spaceflight so much", what's the next step?

baka

>>16728672
You're really mad aren't you? You should go back to R eddit where you can discuss your r/mindblowing science images and how much you hate humans (only white people though, it was the hidden achievements of BAMEs that made Apollo possible).

>>16728670
heil Hitler anon, I agree, /sfg/ should put aside all discussion until we eliminate certain haplogroups from the human species.
After all unless you want to eliminate every jew you don't care about spaceflight. 1488

>>16728605
neo nazi thinking
NASA is doing fine right now (has world class technologies no one else has), it just needs more funding

>>16728676
totally!!!!! I've been trying to say that on /sfg/ for years. Blacks (or NIGGERS as I like to call them), jews, moslems, are all the reason why I'm not living on mars right now.
I can't wait to join you in the upcoming race war, friend. We'll kill the LGBT NASA employees soon enough.

>poltard is unironically a "fix earth first" nigger
should have seen it coming, frankly.

Some of you are alright. Some of you know the future of the European race among the stars can only be acheieved after crossing specific benchmarks. There's only a few thousand of us across the globe, but I know we'll come to see the light in time.

>extended stays in space will cause muscle los.....

>>16728674
>How to organize death squads to murder brown people?
Simple. Redirect the police to stop arresting white people for saying they don't want their children to be raped by gorillas into patrol groups across the country. Round up every shitskin and put them in camps and fly them back to Africa and dump them there. This should send the message that they are unwanted. Also utilise the inactive armed forces to speed this up. They are all good goys who will do whatever the state tells them to do so compliance shouldn't be a problem.
>How best to infiltrate the government to put pro-genocide people in charge?
The better question is how best to remove those who have infiltrated the government who have made anti-white legislation possible across the west. The simple answer is to simply remove any one with a Jewish background as well as women. This problem will ultimately fix itself with a competent leader who ensures the parasite is removed fully.
>Methods of triggering a race war?
Import millions of nameless, uncultured shitskins and their families from the Middle East and Africa into western countries with the goal of subverting nationalistic sentiment among the populace. Do this at an ever-increasing pace for 30+ years until the workforce and community collapses and you have pretty much guaranteed yourself a civil war among the population. Now sit back and enjoy the show.

>>16728690
reminds me of my dog's shit after he gets fed random crap by guests. It smells worse than it looks.

>>16728679
Lol, you can't seriously be this retarded.

>>16728680
>Blacks (or NIGGERS as I like to call them), jews, moslems, are all the reason why I'm not living on mars right now.
This is 100% and unironically true though.

>>16728690
Fake image.

>>16728693
yikes, you actually are a /pol/tard and not a troll. how embarrassing.
So now that you've posted your grand plan for the White Race, can you please leave? Unless you expect us to just continue to discuss race wars in this general?'

why am I even still replying to you....

as a jew this pol dude's melty is pretty funny

>>16728698
nope "The improved resolution reveals small-scale color units which had not been recognized previously and which suggest that the lavas and sulfurous deposits are composed of complex mixtures ...."
https://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA02308

>>16728640
Me too, anon

he can vote btw.

i wish i was a mexican welder

>>16728706
https://www.spacex.com/careers/jobs?search=welder&program=starship

mexican welders and brick layers will inherit mars

>NASA’s X-59 quiet supersonic research aircraft moves under its own power for the first time at Lockheed Martin’s Skunk Works facility in Palmdale, California, on July 10, 2025. Guided by the aircraft’s crew chief, the event marks the beginning of taxi tests – a key milestone and the final series of ground tests before first flight.
luv NASA, luv spaceflight

>>16728714
2 more decades bro we just need two more decades to test that the rear passenger door opens and closes at the expected speed before we can move on to testing the see-through-ness of the second-to-left-most windshield panel just give us two more decades bro we promise

>>16728715
fuck off

So which subreddit or NASA discord did you all migrate from?
Whining about /pol/ this hard is a very obvious new development. /sfg/ regulars are either racist or capable of ignoring the racists, it's been this way the whole time.

fun fact a 747 went supersonic once
https://www.thisdayinaviation.com/12-december-1991/

>>16728718
yeah no, we can see right through you. I'm as /sfg/ regular as it fucking gets and racists piss me off.
The /pol/ invader today is of the "I'm for real, listen to me, aaarrrghlhlblarghrl" variety, which is the most pathetic and stupid kind. He actually thinks he's doing a good thing by shitposting here.
The occasional nigger this or nigger that is not the same.

fuck off.

>>16728722
You talk like a textbook plebbitor trying to fit in.

>>16728726
I made the first /sfg/ thread, kid :^)

>>16728720
>napkin sketches are real because we made 3d models of them

>>16728714
/erg/: earth roll general

>>16728726
Reichsführer anon, stop talking with the evil jew anon, we need to get back to discussing our plans for total racewar (because it's relevant to spaceflight after all).
TO continue this post, which is obviously not haram as it is still up, >>16728693
, I think we need to start sending ricin letters to all women in government. we can't sleep on W*MENs role in our conundrum.

Having sex in space. Have we figured it out yet? Seems important...

>>16728722
I'm just seeing an extremely unusual amount of bitching about "nigger this or nigger that" in the past ~week, with about the same /pol/ content as usual. If you're a regular to this thread or this site in general, you should be able to act like an adult. Report, ignore, and move on, instead of constantly giving attention to the people making you mad.
When did people forget that if the troll makes you mad and gets you to reply, the troll wins? Are you twelve?

>>16728733
I was here before u were even born u fagt

>>16728733
if you're more mad at someone for complaining about a /pol/ shitposter than the shitposter himself, you're the problem mate.

>>16728732
>boomer ellipses
Space colony natives will be grown in artificial wombs

>>16728733
oh no we can't have the heckin troll winning, that would be terrible. won't someone think of the troll, oh man we'd better tread lightly when a troll is in /sfg/, we wouldn't want him to 'win'. oh noes.

>>16728641
Okay so nobody here knows, cool

https://www.eso.org/public/images/eso2512a/

>>16728737
Yeah it's pretty bad when you shit up the thread even more by complaining about him. When every post a troll makes generates 3+ useless whining replies, he has succeeded in using (you) to make the thread shitty and off-topic.

>>16728740
go ask the Perimeter Institute

>>16728740
space magic

>>16728741
SpaceX can never do this. Fund NASA.

>>16728747
thats a picture of starship staging...

>>16728747
1/10

>>16728743
who made you the (you) police

>>16728741
Why do you normie faggots care about this stupid infrared shit? We still don't have a full true-colour photo of Venus and yet scientists are obsessing over stupid space telescope images of colourful swirls billions of light years away.

>>16728743
I'm not trolling faggot. You just had to accept my original posts or agree with me >>16728605 but yoy decided to cry about it like an ass-blasted redditor.

>>16728750
are you still going on about wavelength gatekeeping? The human eyeball can see a shitty, narrow range of light.
There is infinitely more knowledge that can be gained by seeing lower and higher energies; radio astronomy, x-ray astronomy... Visible light is pathetic, lmao

>>16728751
ok go shoot a black person or punch a woman or something and report back, how else do we know if you're for real about your grandiose mass murder plans (for spaceflight)?

everyone should have the gravity wave alert app installed, it's neat

>>16728599
Most of space techology has no commercial application so you have to work for the government or it will become a lost technology.

>>16728756
that is a rather untrue statement. https://spinoff.nasa.gov

>>16728752
I don't give a fuck what space objects look like in your fanfic wavelengths, I want to see what they'd look like to HUMANS. You know, the ONLY lifeform in the entire universe capable of SPACEFLIGHT.

>>16728759
>>16728756
this is actually a pretty cool site: https://homeandcity.nasa.gov/nasa/city

https://technology.nasa.gov/patents

>>16728641
There isn't a generally accepted mechanism behind it. And obviously if you're asking about intention or a cause other than an underlying mechanism you're making a category mistake.

>>16728766
I hope that places like >>16728746
will clean up some of the unknowns in the near future. Is it gauges or whatever? is it dark ____?

>>16728759
Explain to me the commerical market for superheavy lift rocket engines or lunar EVA suits or long term in space life support? There is no market. I wasnt saying there arent spinoffs which are commerically useful, but the fact is if NASA didnt keep people employed who were experts in these fields then Artemis would be even further from happening than it already is.

>>16728649
>only replied using green and black text
I can't read this until you add some colors, sweaty

>>16728767
meant to link >>16728745
oops

>>16728605
>((((those I can't name on /sci/)))).
Russians?

>>16728771
Jews! like me

>>16728581
>spaceflight?

>>16728774
space is diverse(except for whitey)

Which Apollo descent is your favourite and why?

>>16728797
Apollo 12 for the enthusiasm and the fight they have while landing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFSa6vUix70&t=627s

>>16728802
>>16728797
Skip to 10:20 for the good bit. The two clearly had a personality mismatch.

>>16728797
14 was kind of fun with that LM computer hack and all. but, and i know its the obvious boring choice, but the A11 landing was a real rollercoaster with all those code alarms going off and the fuel running low.

>>16728803
i always thought they had a great time on the surface. A12 seemed to be a very happy mission

>Brilliant Eye/Brilliant Pebbles
>Space-Based Infrared/Overhead Persistent Infrared/Golden Dome
Which names do you prefer?

>>16728808
Maybe Bean was just having a bad day because he definiteyl didn't seemto like Conrad during the landing. Called him babe, basically calling him gay and effeminate for getting so excited about the landing.

Isn't the Apollo footage just surreal? That men actually walked on another world? Drove a fucking solar-powered car at relatively high speeds on the surface of the God-damn Moon? How must these men have felt, really? I can't even come close to imagining it.

https://youtu.be/moGMBvsw0Gk

>>16728813

>>16728760
>the ONLY lifeform in the entire universe capable of SPACEFLIGHT
if you still have even a shred of belief in that then boy oh boy do I have a space bridge to sell you!

>>16728813
Absolutely nuts. And it's crazy that there is color film of such amazing quality. Normies NEED to know.
90% of Moon hoaxer conspiritards literally don't know about these films and base their conspiracies fully off of extremely low quality blurry TV broadcasts.
These films from back in the day are so good that they seriously look better than the digital livestream slop we got on the Polaris spacewalk.

>>16728714
Piece of shit

>>16728811
they called each other than all the time. it was actually a sign that they were in good mood and on good terms.

>>16728714
my goodness thats long and pointy! like trying to fly an aardvark

>>16728828
What's with these shitty gaslighting ops against quiet supersonic aircraft?

>>16728832
he's just worried that someones eye might get poked out.

spaceplanes are gay as FUCK i want big ass FUCKING ROCKETS nigga

>>16728714
1950s sketch of what a future aeroplane would look like.

>>16728842
This.
Control surfaces are GAY. You should be able to thrust vector yourself out of any problem. (RCS is excusable in vacuum).

>>16728813
>solar
Nah, they just had single-use batteries.

>>16728844
aerobraking and reentry guidance surfaces (strakes, grid fins, whatever fins BONG has) are not gay but necessary part of spaceflight.
Its the landing wheels that you hate

>>16728845
this is true

>>16728845
back then solar was terrible

>>16728850
Wonder if even modern solar would be advantageous if you're only going to drive it once for a couple hours and leave.

>>16728813
>solar-powered car
>>16728845
>batteries
>Power was provided by two 36-volt silver-zinc potassium hydroxide non-rechargeable batteries developed by Eagle-Picher[29] with a charge capacity of 121 A·h each (a total of 242 A·h), yielding a range of 57 miles (92 km).
Furthest traveled was 12.50 miles (20.12 km) on Apollo 17.

>>16728854
It would be tricky around the lunar south pole, but all of the apollo landing sites? Yeah you could do it. The CSM ran on fuel cells. Notice how Orion and other modern manned lunar crafts have Solar panels now.
They couldnt do that in the 60s/70s. The mass penalties would have been too large for such a small amount of power generation

>>16728728
Napkin sketches are based

>>16728850
yep. much better and lighter collectors these days. it would have made a big difference to stay time on the surface....but then again, that was also limited by how long they could keep the helium etc cool, plus the obvious mass limitations in terms of other consumables.

>>16728502
it was actually a stealth please help us fight the science budget cuts video funded by planetary society lol, this is the kind of kino you are missing out on because of your adhd addled tiktok brain that can't pay attention for a 1 minute video let alone a nearly 40 minute one

>>16728877
He was the original autist, he would have loved starbase

>>16728877
literally my math class doodles

>>16727760
>(the plumbing issues are due to raptor 2)
Citation needed.

https://x.com/booster_10/status/1946722430220685638
>Booster 13 being recovered from the ocean floor!

https://x.com/TheMindIced/status/1946726829664153722

>>16728854
Probably not because you'll need big panels which need to be supported and rotated and for anything practical you still need batteries

>>16728909
I didn't even open that gay shit, and now I'm glad I didn't

>>16728951
>>16728952
That'll buff out.

>>16728944
"Copilot Pajeet, why did you engage both fuel cutoffs upon launch?"
"Saar, I did not do so"
*crash sound and recording ends*

at what point did you realize we aren't going to make it?

>>16728688
Hot armpits. Imagine the smell

>>16728968
>saaaaar, it was a paki who did it, saaaar

>>16728951
OH NO IT'S A FUCKING WASP NEST
BURN IT!

>>16728991
>the sick man of america

>>16728715
This

>>16729023
Colony insects are so fascinating

>>16728818
The spacebridge belongs to the Decepticons.

NASA sucks

For all the issues Starship has had, just imagine if they had been crazy enough to stick with carbon fiber. Would have been a total dead end with no redemption in sight. I think CF composites are genuinely evil- like a siren luring poor innocent aerospace engineers with promises of outlandish tensile strength only to crush their hopes by being equally temperamental.
My heart goes out to Rocket Lab for all the pain that awaits them.

>>16729050
NASA sucks because Congress thinks NASA should still be building rockets. To be fair, parts of NASA think that too.
NASA should only be doing exploration, science, and development of weird technology that's not yet commercially viable (as was once the case with rockets).

>>16729056
They are always exploring new ways to burn billions, and that is not limited to rockets

>>16729046
Megatron is malfunctioning! It is time for me, Starscream, to be the new leader of the Decepticons!

>NASA apologists in /sfg/
This general is completely dead

>>16728774
grim

>>16728991
>China is the one that will collapse

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1946742000893714690

SpaceX/Tesla/xAI

AI going full balls to the wall

>>16729086
We're not getting a starship catch this year, aren't we?

>>16729086
He should sell all of his companies and put all the money into GPUs. Literally nothing matters anymore. If he creates Gronk superintelligence he could just rebuild spacex from scratch with warp drives

>>16729087
Let Grok fix Starship's design.

>>16729092
I asked Grok for some archeology documentaries and it suggested two that didn't exist.

>>16729093
Better odds than like 4 starships lost in a row to the same thing.

>>16728774
lol

There are literally zero hard space sci fi shows

>>16729097
yes
for some reason, no one is all that interested in realistic space travel, and they often tend to use all the silly tropes even when they bother with newtonian physics. i'm not a fan of hard sci-fi that uses theoretical physics either, because that's usually fake and gay too.

>>16729086
>>16729087
>>16729089
He realized the truth during a k-hole session.
The other stuff is a folly, we are not going to Mars to stay, and politics is a dead end. X and Tesla can only go so far. Refocus SpaceX to be a money printer, and only robotically explore Mars on the side. Abandon politics, manage X smartly with AI, and Tesla is a limited venture because he is not fully in control. Neuralink will proceed but slowly because of regulations.
AI is really where its at, this is the dominant force that will change everything, so it must be the prime directive getting the bulk of the resources and efforts. Everything else is secondary, and after the AI explosion, other problems will be easier to solve. He might want to expand into nuclear power to enable AI advantages

>>16729112
I wish I had some sort of internet gun so I could kill you through the screen

>>16729087
You realize that SpaceX and Musk other companies don't share employees, right?

>>16729097
>>16729099
How do you make a fun hard space sci fi show?

>>16729112
NASA is dead when Elon gets AI God

>>16729139
I've given up on anyone making that.
Now I want Jules Verne's From the Earth to the Moon retold (and touched up) as if it were a historical account, with the production quality, writing, and vibe akin to The Terror Season 1

>>16728951
>>16728952
YES

>>16729139
cold war-era tech is more than good enough for a space-based drama/space opera. you also add have the ability to make it far more dangerous since there's no fantasy/magic.

So how are these 3d goonime characters getting us closer to mars

Happy Apollo 11 anniversary bros
we're all going to make it

>>16729073
i like this picture

>>16729116
this is the perfect internetish post btw

>>16729160
hell yes, thanks for the reminder

We are going

...to stay on earth

No, to Moon

>>16728991
We know how to make more things with less people. Health care is still very labor intensive and the median age keeps going up. If we aren't going to make it it's gonna be because people like you.

>>16729081
Yeah.

>>16728774
Was there a single north European person in this video apart from the girl on the video call? Lol

>>16729086
Yep, Starship is done. It was a good run boys

>>16729195
oh man i love what that image stand for.

i love her so much bros

Ok since SpaceX is dead and Elon is going all in on the AI god, will his team of jeets beat out the chinks and Jews?

>>16729146
That'd be kinda sick

>>16729139
Funny slice of life that's actually heartfelt and sincere. None of that Space Force crap

>>16729146
Yes, if they made it look like a period setting. But then all the normiefags will complain that they dress and talk funny.

>>16729195
>>16729216
It's slop, but... it's not missing anything.

this thread is fucking dead bros
just pack it up

We always say “our” moon, like we possess and own it. Perhaps we do; it orbits our planet and we have landed machine and man on it.
Do we similarly “own” Mars right now? We have huge robots there. But not man.

>wake up
>it somehow got even more over than it was before i slept
how does this keep happening?
we have had literally zero good space news for like 4 months

>>16729313
tldr?

>>16729139
>>16729157
There is so much hidden potential.
For hard scifi 80s space conflic they could focus on the tension withih the spaecrafts like how Das Boot focuses on the inside of the submarine

>>16729097
For All Mankind (current)
Men Into Space (1959-60)

There's two.

>>16729318
Elon is pivoting SpaceX fully into AI company

>>16729311
We own the Milky Way.

>>16729158
$$$$$$$

>>16729369
you're joking.

I was right
I keep being banned for being correct, not the first time this has happened

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1946839030177632475

billions must coom

>>16729396
Yes.

Wow.

>>16729313
Trust the plan

Tower 2 QD is ready

>>16729435
2 weeks?

>>16729139
make it a slice of life anime about girls doing cute things

Still waiting for the Meme Drive to light up and do nothing. Two more weeks?

>>16729470
trust the plan.

>>16728813
It's a sure sign that we are irreversibly regressing into the stone age

>>16728813
>How must these men have felt
They didn't think they would be the last ones. They thought they were the first. Many of them believed they would see lunar towns of thousands of people by their grave, instead they never saw man go back.

>>16729470
Didn't it deorbit months ago?

>>16729477
>Gene Cernan: "Golly, we're taking clean laundry to the space station!" Do you see what's wrong with that headline?
>posthumous SS Gene Cernan: *takes clean laundry to the space station*

franken quick disconnect

>>16727881
Dad was really interested in astronomy and spaceflight when I was a kid. That along with Star Trek got the gears going.

He's a cool dude and I love talking about space with him to this day. He's a weird combo of space dork and hillbilly biker. He used to cut the sleeves off of NASA mission sweaters. I wish I still had some of those. I remember he had a really cool Galileo Mission sweater with the neck and sleeves cut off.

I got him a Planetary Society membership this year for his birthday. Love you, dad.

>>16727901
>>16727902
I disagree. Clarke wrote some fantastic hard sci-fi stories, for instance.

>>16727881
Trains kill people and are scary

>>16729367
Isn't For All Mankind fucking terrible?

Protect the Wizards of JPL.

>>16729492

4AM is great. But some of the cast are females and that causes utter gender panic in /tv/pol. When the show airs the creepy incels dog pile the threads.

>>16729492
Yes it is if you're not a goyslop consumer, but judging by the discussions last night, those are the kinds of people that inhabit this general.

>>16729499
80% of them should be fired, and an undisclosed percentage executed

>>16728951
very cool

>>16729501
its shit and you are retarded

>>16729501
wasn't that the one with a lunar space shuttle

>>16729507
Heck yes!!! Everybody working on space crap should be fired because they are wasting our money!!!!!!!!

>>16729519
Moreso for punishment for failing to push spaceflight forward, but yes

HH
TND (total nasa death)

https://x.com/RichardSocher/status/1946684592653771105

>>16729533