So, how long will the gamble "It's never aliens." work in the Dark Forest, for humanity?

The scientific community never takes a Dark Forest threat with sincerity. You guys want to die pretty bad, to defend grant grinding?

If 3I ATLAS is aliens, any survivors need to strip every single academic degree from every faggot that has one. And burn all records of all Universities. Trash system if we get FUBAR'd by something we would have seen coming without "Trust me science" being our modern science.

In the Mad Max leftover world, if you open up a conversation with me by telling me what you have a degree in, you're getting an update to your brain pan.

>>16732112 (OP)
just get non shit footage lmao

>>16732121
Why?

Do you really need to see something happening, before you believe it's possible?

Just Hellen Keller my ass then, none of your bullshit is real anymore.

>Don't lock doors no one would ever come inside and steal shit, we have no footage of someone coming inside and stealing shit, can't happen.

>>16732112 (OP)
>one Harvard professor
It's Avi Loeb isn't it?

>>16732112 (OP)
Because the Dark Forest hypothesis is obvious nonsense if you actually think it through for even a few moments.

>>16732150
Really? If it is so simple, why couldn't you put it in your post?

:V

>Durr doing this one thing is so simple, by the way I'm going to passively gatekeep and act like a smug faggot, because I have a shitty ego and garbage personality.

This you?

>>16732177

It would be difficult to hide against an aggressive Von Neumann probe scout strategy. Anything not advanced enough for that can be ignored.

>>16732202
Alright, so, early December we see a gigantic web of constructs emerge from the other side of the sun, what's our strategy at that point?

Kill looters and wait for death?

>>16732203

Well, shitty timing and we might be royally fucked. What you get for sleeping on the job. Can likely not even deduce the nature of that swarm at such range, except possible collision courses. Likely hostile, information gathering or contact would not require a large number of objects. Anyway, a single probe would have a very low probability to ever find us. A Von Neumann howevs could have a chance to bumble towards Sol. Now by its nature it would ofc need to replicate so the question would be what that might hypothetically entail (required technology, resources to gather, etc.) and what signature that would give off (how sneaky could a Von Neumann be, how far out would it find what it requires to replicate...). Ofc a clever Von Neumann might just pick up faint radio waves and cease replication effort, instead sending a comms beam home (or trying to manufacture one depending on load out) and keep observing. Might be it would send "dumb" spy drones (perhaps just riding an asteroid) towards us for a better pict-... you know we should have really intercepted that "interstellar debris".

>>16732112 (OP)
rabbi loeb and his fearmongering are irrelevant, dark forest is exceptionally stupid hypothesis, any civilisation advanced enough to wage interstellar or intergalactic wars is not dependend on resources of one measly solar system

>>16732177
First, you can't hide in space. The more advanced planets will be able to detect the less advanced planets first, and could kill them first. This in itself makes the Dark Forest a non-solution as to the question of why we don't see aliens, because it makes the actual reason that all the other aliens are simply less advanced than us. This leads into the second point, that if there were any other aliens more advanced than us that we'd already be dead. In the Dark Forest, the one who survives is simply whichever species reaches the capability of detecting and killing other planets first. To say otherwise requires fantastical technological parity across the universe. Third, even in that case, launching an attack against another planet only makes your presence even more known, and makes you an even bigger target. Rather than firing first being a necessity for survival, it only worsens your odds. If you try to go for a more covert solution that wouldn't be so immediately obvious, then all you do is make it substantially more likely that even just the species you targeted survives and launches an attack against you.

If le dark forest is real, why are we still alive? Personally I suspect interstellar travel is just prohibitively slow/difficult.

The Dark Forest is a moronic assumption from a Chinaman and the orientals are a naturally paranoid race prone to backstabbing.

Habitable planets are much too valuable to just destroy like that. If the universe had a currency it would be them.

>>16732112 (OP)
How are any of us supposed to know?