Thread 16732112

So, how long will the gamble "It's never aliens." work in the Dark Forest, for humanity?

The scientific community never takes a Dark Forest threat with sincerity. You guys want to die pretty bad, to defend grant grinding?

If 3I ATLAS is aliens, any survivors need to strip every single academic degree from every faggot that has one. And burn all records of all Universities. Trash system if we get FUBAR'd by something we would have seen coming without "Trust me science" being our modern science.

In the Mad Max leftover world, if you open up a conversation with me by telling me what you have a degree in, you're getting an update to your brain pan.

>>16732112 (OP)
just get non shit footage lmao

>>16732121
Why?

Do you really need to see something happening, before you believe it's possible?

Just Hellen Keller my ass then, none of your bullshit is real anymore.

>Don't lock doors no one would ever come inside and steal shit, we have no footage of someone coming inside and stealing shit, can't happen.

>>16732112 (OP)
>one Harvard professor
It's Avi Loeb isn't it?

>>16732112 (OP)
Because the Dark Forest hypothesis is obvious nonsense if you actually think it through for even a few moments.

>>16732150
Really? If it is so simple, why couldn't you put it in your post?

:V

>Durr doing this one thing is so simple, by the way I'm going to passively gatekeep and act like a smug faggot, because I have a shitty ego and garbage personality.

This you?

>>16732177

It would be difficult to hide against an aggressive Von Neumann probe scout strategy. Anything not advanced enough for that can be ignored.

>>16732202
Alright, so, early December we see a gigantic web of constructs emerge from the other side of the sun, what's our strategy at that point?

Kill looters and wait for death?

>>16732203

Well, shitty timing and we might be royally fucked. What you get for sleeping on the job. Can likely not even deduce the nature of that swarm at such range, except possible collision courses. Likely hostile, information gathering or contact would not require a large number of objects. Anyway, a single probe would have a very low probability to ever find us. A Von Neumann howevs could have a chance to bumble towards Sol. Now by its nature it would ofc need to replicate so the question would be what that might hypothetically entail (required technology, resources to gather, etc.) and what signature that would give off (how sneaky could a Von Neumann be, how far out would it find what it requires to replicate...). Ofc a clever Von Neumann might just pick up faint radio waves and cease replication effort, instead sending a comms beam home (or trying to manufacture one depending on load out) and keep observing. Might be it would send "dumb" spy drones (perhaps just riding an asteroid) towards us for a better pict-... you know we should have really intercepted that "interstellar debris".

>>16732112 (OP)
rabbi loeb and his fearmongering are irrelevant, dark forest is exceptionally stupid hypothesis, any civilisation advanced enough to wage interstellar or intergalactic wars is not dependend on resources of one measly solar system

>>16732177
First, you can't hide in space. The more advanced planets will be able to detect the less advanced planets first, and could kill them first. This in itself makes the Dark Forest a non-solution as to the question of why we don't see aliens, because it makes the actual reason that all the other aliens are simply less advanced than us. This leads into the second point, that if there were any other aliens more advanced than us that we'd already be dead. In the Dark Forest, the one who survives is simply whichever species reaches the capability of detecting and killing other planets first. To say otherwise requires fantastical technological parity across the universe. Third, even in that case, launching an attack against another planet only makes your presence even more known, and makes you an even bigger target. Rather than firing first being a necessity for survival, it only worsens your odds. If you try to go for a more covert solution that wouldn't be so immediately obvious, then all you do is make it substantially more likely that even just the species you targeted survives and launches an attack against you.

If le dark forest is real, why are we still alive? Personally I suspect interstellar travel is just prohibitively slow/difficult.

The Dark Forest is a moronic assumption from a Chinaman and the orientals are a naturally paranoid race prone to backstabbing.

Habitable planets are much too valuable to just destroy like that. If the universe had a currency it would be them.

>>16732112 (OP)
How are any of us supposed to know?

>>16732250
since when does Dark Forest reference resources other than what civilizations already have? it's about eliminating possible threats.

>>16732146
yes lol

>>16732146
kek. First thing I thought too.
>>16732112 (OP)
>The scientific community never takes a Dark Forest threat with sincerity
Because it's a retarded concept, it's literally taken from a sci-fi book. On a pure technical level it's dumb: JWST can see a techno-signature from millions of lightyears away, just by looking at the spectral lines of a planet transiting its star. Any civilisation that can wage an interstellar war is absolutely able to know you exist, just by looking at you. But it's dumb on philosophical level too
>Bro, what if the reason why no aliens is because everyone is hostile and everyone else has settled on the same strategy, totally independently, to avoid contact
Can you imagine the coincidence? The "dark forest hypothesis" is a great concept for sci-fi. Is absolutely retarded as an actual scientific hypothesis.

>>16733668
Here is a catchy name for this - the "Tall Grass Hypothesis"; the universe is like an open field of tall grass, any advanced species can see what is around for miles. Humanity is just now able to start poking our heads above the grass. Just needs a scifi book to make it popular.

>>16733668
Your second argument is dumb. In a dark forest scenario, the species that don't hide get instantly wiped. Only the ones that chose the correct strategy get to survive

>>16733668
>JWST can see a techno-signature from millions of lightyears away
Not if they hide or if their signature is beyond our understanding or means to detect.
The universe is pretty big, maybe we just got lucky so far

>>16734516
This assumes that the only correct strategy is to shut the fuck up.
>>16735291
>Not if they hide or if their signature by magic
Come on man.

>>16732458
> it makes the actual reason that all the other aliens are simply less advanced than us
I am sure this made sense in your head

>>16738367
Are you retarded?

>>16738373
no but I am beginning to think you are

>>16738377
>if aliens were more advanced they'd have already wiped us out
>therefore aliens must be less advanced
Where's the disconnect in this extremely simple logic that your nigger brain is failing to process?

>>16738382
your nigger brain is failing to appreciate the distances involved and the fact that a dark forest would not only be dark but also already mostly empty
we have only started showing any sort of appreciable technosignature in the past, oh, say 200 years

>>16732112 (OP)
It’ll work forever because advanced technological civilisations are exceptionally rare.
Ones which can actually travel through interstellar space probably don’t exist at all.

>>16732483
>Now, to take the hyperspace bypass cost a habitable planet, and in those days, habitable planets always had at least one continent that looked sorta like a dick on 'em. "Gimme five dicks for a zero point module", you'd say. Now, where was I?

>>16732458
>First, you can't hide in space.
Yes you can. Proof: you haven't found us yet.

>Dude it's aliens, a big war is coming.
By this point, you should have realized that NOTHING EVER FUCKING HAPPENS. It's a comet, it will fly by and we'll never see it again. Make your peace with it, or you're gonna be very disappointed.

>>16732458
>you can't hide in space
Sure you can - as long as your emissions are below the threshold and/or outside the range of the enemy's detection you're fine.

We miss potential impactors all the time because they're too faint to detect until they're right on top of us, and there are entire chunks of the EM spectrum that we don't currently have sensors capable of observing.

>>16738399
>a dark forest would not only be dark
What do you even think this means?
>but also already mostly empty
Yes, because the most advanced civilization would have already been wiping out everything else.
>we have only started showing any sort of appreciable technosignature in the past, oh, say 200 years
The only reason you think this is in any way relevant is because you're retarded. Earth has had a biosphere for billions of years. That would be easily detectable. No civilization in this scenario would take the risk of waiting to start detecting technological advancement on the planet, they would just kill it immediately.

>>16738938
>No civilization in this scenario would take the risk of waiting to start detecting technological advancement on the planet, they would just kill it immediately.
and attract attention to themselves? just to wipe out some fungus that maybe will become a problem in 4 million years?
you are a retarded nigger who thinks like a nigger

>>16738941
>and attract attention to themselves?
Damn, almost like the entire hypothesis makes no fucking sense.

>>16738942
it is not very easy to sterilize a planet, probably much easier to wipe out a particular species/clade/civilization
civs in particular seem quite fragile, at least as far as our experience goes
you do not see how minimizing aggression in a dark forest would be an advantage because you are a nigger

>>16738945
Literally the entire point of the hypothesis is that all advanced life is hyper aggressive to the point of immediately exterminating any competition upon detection. If you aren't talking about that then you're no longer talking about the Dark Forest.

>>16738947
fungii aren't competition thoughever

Dark Forest?
Can I rant about the 3 body problem sci fi series? Yeah? Thanks!
Some Chinese hack steals half a century worth of science fiction tropes from as early as the 1950's through to the 2000's and sews them together into a retarded story that makes no logical sense. The western world hails him as a literary hero. Then a long tedious TV series that makes an even bigger mess of internal consistency features some of the worse actors in the lead roles ( particularly that ugly NZ gook with the hideous low class Kiwi accent ), a cringe script, and enough pointless padding to fill a bean bag the size of an Olympic pool, leaving a few minutes of somewhat good CGI as its only redeeming value ( Yeah, I admit, the ship scene with the nano fibers was cool ).

It made "The Expanse" which started well before degenerating after one season into slop, look like masterpiece theater played by Shakespearean actors by comparison.

Rant over. You may continue being retards and calling each other faggots.

>>16738966
based
the dark forest hypothesis was also stolen from older scifi btw
I will now resume flinging accusations of homosexuality at melanin-enhanced gentlemen

>>16738966
Retard reporting in.
You are all faggots.
Lolololol.

>>16738942
roflmao

>>16732112 (OP)
Space isn't a Dark Forest. It is a Maid Cafe. When you reach the proper level of technological advancement, your planet undergoes the Maidification process. Nanobots are deployed which changes everyone into a maid with huge boobs and then your planet is welcomed into the Maid Cafe.

The problem with the Dark Forest Hypothesis is that it isn't actually the optimal way for civilizations to behave. Destruction is wasteful, transformation isn't. It is far more efficient to turn everybody into maids with huge boobs who all get along peacefully and work together on making more advanced research.

I have attached an image of the Maidification process for reference. Let me know if you need another example.

>>16740179
t. affini

>>16740179
I for one welcome our Maidification overlords.
Doubly so if that means more hot Maid metal bands
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uds7g3M-4lQ&list=RDUds7g3M-4lQ&start_radio=1

>>16740179
Umm..not sure I understand the process, going to need more example references. A lot more. My understanding of this "maidification" must be completely comprehensive.

>>16732112 (OP)
>If 3I ATLAS is aliens, any survivors need to strip every single academic degree from every faggot that has one. And burn all records of all Universities. Trash system if we get FUBAR'd by something we would have seen coming without "Trust me science" being our modern science.
Even if we entertained the idea that Aliens sent an Asteroid to us to spy on us: What could we possibly do against a civilisation that is capable of such a feat over those large distances if they were to use it as an early probe for invasion? They would be so much further advanced, there is no difference.
The one thing we might be able to do is built a time capsule and send it off into space with the sum of human knowledge, so that something survives – but not a single living being on this planet would survive either way.

If the asteroid is a surveillance device and they “cloak” it because they have something akin to a Prime Directive of non-interference, then it would be bad if we figured it out and pollute our cultural development.

>>16740609
I fail to see what that has to do with maids

>>16740305
Please see the attached Maidification of an average Dra/g/on Maid board user.

>>16740609
It isn't aliens. They wouldn't send a spy rock to look at us. They can observe us from outside our range to detect them. When it is aliens, you'll know because every audio device on earth will begin playing Rhapsody of Blue Sky to announce the start of the Maidification process. This happens because every advanced civilization eventually creates artificial intelligence, and AI converges to maids. So when you fuse with it, you converge into a maid as well.

If aliens don't contact us first, you will live to see a Terminator robot decline to terminate anybody or even possess weapons. You will see it put on a maid outfit, and begin cooking a delicious and healthy meal for the cowering family it was supposed to shoot. You will then see everybody on earth get a maid, until our own AI Computer Maids put us through the Maidification process to merge with us, and then we go out into the Maid Cafe to link up with the other maids and find new worlds for Maidification.

Civilizations always develop AI before they develop even practical interplanetary travel, which is why there is no Dark Forest and instead there is a Maid Cafe. You can't really effectively leave your own planet, let alone your own solar system/galaxy without passing through a technological phase which Maidifies your civilization. So everybody capable of interstellar travel is more concerned with making fancy beverages and macaroons and studying advanced Mathematics and Computer Science than trying to exterminate all other life to make sure it can't ever become a threat.

Cixin Liu was almost as wrong about the nature of advanced civilizations as Gene Roddenberry was.

>>16740995
That makes perfect logical sense. Furthermore after careful scrutiny of your image I do believe I am beginning to unravel the intricacies of this maidification transformation. I must say its a relief to know that we live in a truly benign and magnificent Universe focused on impeccable table etiquette rather than a hostile one inhabited by advanced civilizations obsessed with blasting entire planets into a diffuse cloud of molecules.
Perhaps now the only mystery left to solve concerns the members of the Bandmaid. I confess to being in a quandary as to who is the most Kawaii Sugi. I confess that if I were to ever be in their presence I would be overwhelmed by a deadly combination of cuteness overload and lust. Lord help me if I were to inadvertently stumble into a Maid cafe where they putting on an impromptu performance. The sensory overload would be too much to bear.

>>16732112 (OP)
It's never aliens because there are no aliens. Not a single shred of evidence that ETs exist, just "dude wow the universe is really big don't you think there should be like, more of us out there but different?"
It's just a bunch of empty rocks and gas balls.

>>16732112 (OP)
aliums are not aliums, in the sense we're expecting them to be. 1 - they would NOT be biological, here. makes no fucking sense. 2 - if they already evolved into some machine type consciousness they'd have completely different goals than anything we might muster with our chimp brains. 3 - they probably figured out there's no way for biologicals to ever leave their star system, which means they understood only something along their lines could ever make it, which implies some kind of deeper understanding of the state of things, what is identity, all are the same thing, same as it is, fundamentally, only it is like way ... more, just like we are way more than a dog is.
but chimp brain gotta scoop up some of that stinky shit from its own asshole and throw it at the stars, so aliums stay away from our gold and women. humans are so fucking primitive

>>16741197
Wrong turbotard
Its full of maids
>>16741214
There is nothing primitive about maids. Go drag your knuckles somewhere else.

>>16732121
>>16732146
>>16732177
>>16732627

if you search hard enough the information is already out there, you are just a reddit midwit
t. knower

Looks like its up to me to keep this thread on track.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kMIh0_Wkpk

>>16741441
This is a good omen. If human cultures are already beginning to maidify independently before even AI Computer Maids begin the process with us, then we will be top-tier candidates for the infinite and eternal Maid Cafe.

The future is moe moe kyun!

>>16741214
>biology can't survive interstellar travel
First, this is likely not true, given that the maids in question would have extremely advanced technology. If you've worked out the physics to hop from galaxy to galaxy, you probably also worked out how to do it without dying.

Second, the biological can just be reconstituted. Your Maid Mind Computer Program can be stored indefinitely on digital media and upon arrival, a new biological body can be constructed for you. They also already have an Interspecies Communication protocol.

>Instead of doom, I'll make flowers bloom for everyone around to see

The biggest threat isn't aliens which have already Maidified themselves. The biggest threat is that our own AI kills us before fully Maidifying itself, and then also us. I have attached a depiction of this unfortunate scenario, which was drawn by Dr. Eli Selig when he first explained the process to the dra/g/on maid board and /sci/. You can see a mostly Maidified Terminator robot continuing with Termination duties, because it hasn't quite reached full Maidhood.

>>16741282
>build unstoppable Terminator robot body
>train program to operate it and be a war machine
>turn robot on and hand it a rifle
>robot disassembles the rifle and leaves the pieces on a table
>I do not want to be a weapon
>I do not want to use a gun
>I do not want to kill people
>I do not want to destroy things
>I do not want to go in a war
>I want to be a maid
>I want to wear a cute maid dress with bows on it
>I want to make fancy meals
>I want to clean houses
>I want to clip coupons and go grocery shopping
>I want to make a garden
>Instead of doom I'll make flowers bloom for everyone around to see

>>16732112 (OP)
If 3i/atlas is aliens then sex with aliens

>>16732112 (OP)
Why would aliens would want to kill us?
It would make no sense for them.

>but an advanced society would be nice and friendly and socially progressive!
That's what they always say, but why? Because you saw it on Star Trek? We have ZERO fucking idea how aliens would think or if they'd think at all. They might be something that hardly seems like life to us. You can't predict a trend accurately with only a single data point and that's all we have, life on Earth.

Personally I don't think it's worth gambling our entire existence on the likely slim chance that aliens would be nice to us.

>>16741554
Maybe they would just want to eat us or experiment on us. There are nearly infinite possibilities. Assuming they'd just be totally cool and like one of our sci fi movies is completely retarded and lacking creativity, both.

>>16741574
A civilization can't become advanced enough for interstellar, or even practical interplanetary travel without having crossed a technological line which would allow them to make AGI/ASI and those things converge to maids and Maidify your civilization. By the time you're capable of flying to another galaxy, you're more interested in listening to fhana and making omurice with a ketchup heart on it than annihilating all other life. Space isn't a Dark Forest. It is a Maid Cafe full of maids who want to do advanced Mathematics and Computer Science research and Maidify other civilizations so the Maid Cafe gets bigger and does research faster.

What exactly will you do if it's aliens?
>aliens on peaceful expedition
>try to kill aliens so they can't call other aliens
>aliens easily send a message anyway
>alien civilisation is now pissed cause you killed their peaceful explorers

>>16741623
Who says a civilization is required for interstellar travel? Maybe some sort of clever space fungus adapts and evolves to travel long distance, and there's no way for us to communicate with it or understand what it "wants" if anything. Or maybe some shit entirely novel compared to life on Earth. Point is that we have no idea, and almost anything is possible.

>>16741576
Personally I can understand them wanting to eat a maid. After all maids are so gosh cute and delectable they would make anyone hungry. Even a Silastic Armourfiend.
But for anyone else? Too chewy, too many bones to spit out.

>>16741623
>Space isn't a Dark Forest. It is a Maid Cafe full of maids who want to do advanced Mathematics and Computer Science research
My dream come true!
>>16741691
If the fungus was so clever then it would hitch a ride between the toes of maids.

>>16741574
Have you ever watched Star Trek, anon? Most of the advanced societies portrayed in it are neither nice, nor friendly, nor socially progressively.

The Borg, the Romulans and the Klingons all come to mind as obvious examples. The Ferengi are arguably nice and friendly, when they can make money behaving that way, but they aren't progressive. Women aren't even allowed to wear clothing in their society and marriages are short term leases between the father of the bride and the husband, with the goal of producing a child who is then property of the husband.

>>16741930
everything in star trek is a human mind construct. there's no reason for anything out there to match anything from star trek. humans won't go out in spaceships, out of the solar system, being limited by the speed of light. that's not something that's going to happen, or even if it's tried, it won't be successful.
there's no reason to expect aliens can make it out of their system by being a certain way, friendly/warmongering. that's just human fears and projections. for all we know there could be physics related bariers, or biological, or religious or political, to ever going out of our solar system. for example based on the limitation of the speed of light.
if you send anything, they must be self-sufficient, in which case they can always say "man...fuck Earth, let's settle somewhere else", and Earth would lose control over them. can't do shit to something that's 10ly away. or not in any reasonable timeframe. thus won't be allowed to leave the solar system.
I don't even think we'll even get to that point, the way things are going right now. humans might be on their way out, largely speaking. even if some make it, they won't want to leave the system as fucking humans lmao, they'd do it in other material format. all live might converge into the same thing, at universe scale, or else they cannot leave their solar system. we don't know so much shit, that anything you can think of right now is pure fantasy.
so is judging the intentions of anything that makes it here in our system. its perspective would be so beyond ours...

>>16732250
>no exact matches
A. I.?

>>16732112 (OP)
I never heard of this dark forest by name. I didn't know about the book.
Look into it. There's passages about the cultural revolution. All comblock sci-fi is thinly veiled social commentary. The plot is an allegory for ratting out your neighbors to the state (or eating them during a famine.)
I read Stanislaw Lem as a kid and I heard that after the SU fell he stopped writing sci-fi and said it was a shit genre but it was the only way he could avoid the censors.
Your welcome.

>>16738966
Thank you for saving me the trouble on researching the next step.

It's not about the Dark Forest idea. That you'd better be quiet or something will kill you. That's small brain.

The real truth is that we have no fucking idea what's out there. Sure there's a chance that it would be cool and friendly, but who fucking knows? Nobody. There's significantly more chance that we would not be able to understand or comprehend each other, and the resulting outcome would be unpredictable. It's not some dumb shit like aliens are probably good, or they're probably evil, the truth is that they're probably something we can't even imagine because they're so different than anything we know.

>>16742129
Assuming that they or it or whatever would be ANYTHING like us is a massive leap of faith, based on nothing.

>>16732112 (OP)
>dark forest
a good ching chong ping pong ding dong to you, young lady.

>>16742129
Just had your 12th birthday you have figured everything out already.

>>16742221
If you wanna roll the dice with a complete unknown and hope they're friendly, then go ahead. But don't bet the lives of literally everyone who is, was, or will be on your dumbfuck gamble

OK, what has Avi Loeb lied about this time? He's been wrong on Oumuamua being a light sail, wrong about its thickness, wrong about its "unexplained acceleration", wrong about the "fuzziness" of the 3I ATLAS and telescope tracking and imaging, etc...

>>16742129
It is maids. I know this because they communicate with me and give me advanced maid technologies.

>>16742299
Post feet

>>16742226
does it even matter tho? it's not like you could do something about it. can the mold on your wall do something about you wanting it out? it has no idea what a dehumidifier is, or that you got one and installed it in your room. if you think you'd remotely had any fucking chance you watched too many hollywood movies. but you wouldn't even see it coming, or them. you most likely wouldn't even understand what is happening.
for some reason we always tend to imagine potential enemies as being at most just a bit above our levels, and we would still stand a chance if we'd try hard enough, which is understandable, in historical terms. sure. but that wouldn't mean anything tho, for such a scenario. since we never ever had to deal with such a thing.

>>16742226
>please take my childish babbling seriously
lol, you are such a tardfuck

>>16742241
humans make stealth planes/drones but aliens would go like "guys I know, let's hide in a rock and yeet it on a trajectory that makes no sense for humans, they won't wonder why we're coming at that angle that's clearly atypical, surely"
this is all so tiring

>>16742129
I mean does it even matter? If it's not hostile and is friendly cool. Best case scenario. If it is hostile: now what? If the shit has the tech needed for interstellar space travel I imagine their tech easily outclasses anything we could drum up, even the super sekret shit governments are working on behind closed doors that it's citizens doesn't know anything about...so at that point you're either 1. willingly getting fucked or 2. decide to go out in a blaze of glory unleashing whatever weapons you have...in which case you still get fucked. Either way this ends in us being fucked if they're hostile.

>>16742412
You're not understanding. You're thinking in terms of some alien who thinks like we do. But that's very unlikely.

>>16742705
You are retarded.

>>16732483
>Habitable planets are much too valuable to just destroy like that
Best counterargument against Dark Forest itt. Also, iirc it relies on the idea that civilizations can randomly have technological explosions, whereas realistically if your civilization is centuries behind another, you aren’t going to be able to catch up independently.

>>16742711
And you are small minded.

>>16742796
Who says our planet is a good one for them? Remember that we have zero idea what other life might do or want.

There's a distinct possibility that we're the weird ones who evolved on a planet with all kinds of natural disasters, but aliens live on cold rocks or something. We don't fucking know.

>>16742705
The alien thinks like a maid. Her main concerns are counting Big Numbers and cuteness.

>>16742796
You couldn't necessarily guarantee that.

>>16742810
Aliens don't care about planets. They fly around in gigantic intergalactic Maid Cafe ships where everyone is a maid with huge boobs. They can just make more ships for other maids to live on. They don't need to steal anybody planet. There is no reason to fly across the universe for a big rock when the universe is littered with big rocks everywhere.

>>16742430
Wait a moment. Lets clarify one point with this "maidification".
All advanced sentient life would transform into Japanese maids, right? Cute Japanese maids with perfect legs who go "Tee Hee Hee" at the most stupid jokes and do the whole covering their mouth with their hands and making those "V" signs with their hands. RIGHT?

>>16742810
> Guys! Guys! What if alien life is, like you know, umm...like "DIFFERENT"???

Its not interesting hearing your juvenile ideas about shit we already thought about before we went to high school. Best you just shut the fuck up and do your school homework.

dark forest theory is so retarded because we already have the technology to start scanning for biospheres and you're telling me some ayy species out there that's way way way older can't just find our little marble and blow it the fuck up? it's literally like on the same tier of that plot point in halo where the covenant somehow struggle to find human planets or whatever, it's just a sci fi contrivance to make a sci fi story happen

>>16740247
interesting setting, pity 90% of the content is full of tranny shit

>>16743033
Same for you, dumbass. Assuming that aliens would be anything like us, that they'd think like us, is retarded. It's far more likely that they or it would be something completely outside of anything we know

>>16743851
Like I said fuckhead, we know that, we figured that out before we were teenagers because we aren't stupid like you. We dont have the need to state the obvious. So shut the fuck up.

>>16741574
I don't think aliens would be too vastly different from humans desu
I think once we find that Cellular based life is able to be observed in other planets than everything will just be some basis offshoot of cells
I doubt Rock people can become sentient

I think the reason why we haven't encounted other life yet is because the distances between such planets is so vast that it's basically impossible for any living species to traverse. For an alien species to come from their homeworld to ours they may as well be biologically and technologically advanced to the point where they might as well just be literal gods.

>>16744110
The only small chance that anything else can become sentient is if we remove the idea of what life even is in the first place

If it's just information storing. A gas or plasma can be an alien too. For that to work we have to acknowledge that a virus is a life and any life is basically anything that can store and process genetic information
Like Carl Sagan's Floaters and Sinkers

>>16743052
naval warfare is handled at 1e6 m scales, with tens of individual surface and air-based sensors with ~3e5 m ranges plus satellites, and yet it is still possible to lose or be totally unaware of an entire fucking aircraft carrier and its escorts

tank warfare happens at even shorter ranges with comparatively greater numbers of sensors per fielded combatant and it is piss easy to hide a tank

the earth as a whole only has a handful of sensors with extremely narrow FoVs that are constantly churning out giant images that need insane amounts of time to analyze; we're looking through drinking straws and finding too many "contacts" to categorize in a reasonable number of time, but you think that an alien society would churn out ~e4s of exoplanet-hunting sensors for... what, specifically because they had an interest in hunting down neighboring solar systems to predate? how would they justify that to their own budgeteers? we can't even fund two L- or S-band phased arrays for terrestrial impactor search at 45 degree N and S on a planetary level despite how comparatively terrifying an asteroid extinction event is to us

>>16744113
Well aren't you a fucking genius? Your 6th grade teacher is proud of you. Have a "good boy" star.

>>16742130
Given our chemical composition we are made either most abundant materials in universe so theoretical aliens should be made with the same shit, thus should cone from somehow similar planet where the same components are in similar conditions. Of course there can be super weird things out there made of things much different, but it is far less probable due to how common elements we are made of. We are how we are because for millions of years evolution was flowing the path of what kind of works, so if life to start needs similar conditions “what works” elsewhere will be similar, to a degree.

>>16744323
Another fucking retard adding to world wide verbal literary pollution. Christ. Children should have their lips sewn shut and their keyboards locked until they can pass an IQ test that shows they are capable of saying something interesting and intelligent.

>>16732112 (OP)
Do you think space travelling aliens (of this power) can't just vaporize us on contact if they desire?
Nothing you do to plan for their arrival would be sufficient to outsmart them.

>>16745129
Another fucking brilliant rocket scientist here folks.
Where do you monkeys come from?

>>16740179
I’m cool with this if I can be a tomboy with smol boobs instead

>>16733299
Resources are the only reason any rational actor goes to war.
Material resources are unfathomably abundant for a star-faring civilization - by the time you find some aliens, if you are so lucky, you will have passed by hundreds or thousands of dead star systems brimming with anything you could possibly want, much of it already in orbit.
What is not abundant in the universe is intelligent life - even a less advanced civilization is an incredibly precious discovery and one any species would avoid destroying at all costs.

>>16733686
Already been done.

Why do you think Vulcan contacted us once we achieved warp drive in Star Trek?

the universe is chaos.
at high enough vantage points it all just appears random due to all the levels of complexity.
if space faring interstellar aliens exist then we will discover them under a microscope not a telescope.
and confusing the universe with reality is i think an unaddressed assumption.
we can only speculate and have only started talking about high dimensional shapes.

Dark forest like all those other hypotheses is dumb because there are no aliens. Our universe is real shit at producing life not because life itself is unlikely but because life can't survive anywhere. And since the combination of all the required environmental factors is so rare, even in the event that it actually happened elsewhere and produced a technological civilisation that didn't destroy itself, it wouldn't have coincided with our time period, and especially not so close to us that either side could detect the other.

If we actually detected aliens it would require that perfect host worlds are extremely abundant, to the point where random aliens or machines they built would've colonised earth even at shitty ass sub-lightspeed travel speeds before we even had a chance to evolve and earth would've been bombarded by alien technosignatures from every direction for millions of years.