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Is it true that most vaccines are not tested against a placebo?
I've read claims that control trials use the term "placebo" but the vaccines are actually tested against an "already safe vaccine" and not saline?
Anonymous No.16732563 [Report] >>16732566 >>16732569 >>16732591 >>16732602 >>16732605 >>16732701 >>16732776 >>16733311 >>16733885 >>16733887 >>16734993 >>16738104 >>16739790 >>16747092 >>16749551 >>16751988
>>16732557 (OP)
It would be unethical to let study subjects suffer from a preventable disease. A true placebo would cause harm while the test vaccine only has the potential to cause harm.
Anonymous No.16732566 [Report]
>>16732563
so no, they are not tested against placebo.
Anonymous No.16732569 [Report] >>16732588 >>16741425
>>16732563
Doesn't that defeat the whole purpose? Shouldn't they at least change the definition. Seems a bit deceiving.
Anonymous No.16732588 [Report] >>16737895
>>16732569
Definitions of words are whatever the industry says they mean. It's not like they haven't changed definitions plenty of times before.
Anonymous No.16732591 [Report]
>>16732563
dumb, voluntarily taking chemicals for the express purpose of seeing if it damages you is already potentially damaging. clinical trial people are voluntarily doing it, also, and it is in fact noble to do so, as in e.g. the military.
Anonymous No.16732602 [Report] >>16732701 >>16737066
>>16732563
It is also unethical to inject people with experimental mystery fluid. That's the point of clinical trials, to figure out if the medicine in question helps, harm's, or does nothing
Overbearing ethics concerns are one of the reasons medical science is still a joke. Paddling poorly tested chemical concoctions as cures without even being reasonably sure they work isn't unethical?
Anonymous No.16732605 [Report] >>16739134 >>16741540
>>16732563
So how are they testing new drugs and medicine? Is that also not placebo but an already "established safe drug". That doesn't make any sense.
Anonymous No.16732701 [Report]
>>16732557 (OP)
>>16732563
>>16732602
they are safe and effective
thats why the manufacturers enjoy legal immunity from any liability for their products that would never ever harm anybody. no stop asking questions science denier
Anonymous No.16732746 [Report] >>16746918
>>16732557 (OP)
no
/thread
Anonymous No.16732754 [Report] >>16732809 >>16753739
>>16732557 (OP)
the placebo effect isn't real so the control group is the entire unvaccinated population
Anonymous No.16732776 [Report]
>>16732557 (OP)
that's ol wormy talking. like a wolf in a hen house.

>>16732563
you have zero clue how medical trials work
Anonymous No.16732809 [Report]
>>16732754
smart
Anonymous No.16732819 [Report] >>16732830
/pol/shit threads are cancer and against >>>/global/rules/3 and >>>/sci/rules/1
OP is a faggot.
Fulfill your civic duty to help purge this board of anarchistic, sociopathic, intellectually regressive youtube/reddit/twitter immigrant subhumans like him who are under the delusion that all of 4chan (instead of just the designated shitposting playpens like /b/, /trash/, /bant/, etc.) is a toilet by reporting this thread en masse.
Here's a link so you don't have to scroll up to the top of the page.
https://sys.4chan.org/sci/imgboard.php?mode=report&no=16732557
Anonymous No.16732830 [Report] >>16732844
>>16732819
What exact rule was broken here?
I'm just curious about how the trials are conducted ? Why are you so mad? Is that topic beyond discussion?
Anonymous No.16732844 [Report] >>16732848 >>16732865 >>16733313
>>16732830
>What exact rule was broken here?
>>>>/sci/rules/1
Anonymous No.16732848 [Report] >>16732859
>>16732844
Is clinical safety trials not science?
Anonymous No.16732855 [Report] >>16732865 >>16733475
>>16732557 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/R3Rze3HC_m4
Anonymous No.16732859 [Report] >>16732863 >>16732865 >>16746919
>>16732848
Vaccine fearbait is not, it is trolling, sorry chud
Anonymous No.16732863 [Report] >>16733558
>>16732859
Is that how you talk to your patients?
Anonymous No.16732865 [Report]
>>16732855
Thanks.
See>>16732844
>>16732859
It wasn't that hard after all...
Anonymous No.16733311 [Report] >>16736989
>>16732563
It would be unethical not to inject patients with a bunch of untested chemicals
>inject patients with a bunch of untested chemicals
Now THAT'S ethical.
Anonymous No.16733313 [Report] >>16733558
>>16732844
fuck off basedience cultist
all vaccines are poison
Anonymous No.16733390 [Report]
>>16732557 (OP)
He's a nazi and therefore a bubling idiot
Anonymous No.16733475 [Report] >>16733477 >>16733887 >>16744934 >>16744953
>>16732855

It's interesting, here they claim even the placebos sometimes contain adjuvants. Why do they do this? Does in muddy the trial? Adjuvants are there to trigger an immune response, why would you want to trigger an immune response in the placebo?

https://www.voicesforvaccines.org/jtf_topics/why-arent-vaccines-tested-against-placebos/
Anonymous No.16733477 [Report]
>>16733475
>Does in muddy the trial?
Doesn't it*
Anonymous No.16733496 [Report] >>16733528 >>16733535 >>16742590 >>16748426 >>16751705
Dumb question here... If the spike protein in Sars-Cov2 is causing all these problems? Why would they make a vaccine with a spike protein that can potentially cause the same problems if not more....?
Anonymous No.16733528 [Report]
>>16733496
that's a conspiracy theory
Anonymous No.16733535 [Report] >>16733548
>>16733496
If covid is literally just the flu and apparently harmless, then why is it bad there's spike protein? The vaccine just gives you some flu like symptoms for a day or so, and that's about it.
Anonymous No.16733548 [Report] >>16733552 >>16751706
>>16733535
Is it just like the flu? I thought it can give you myocarditis and neurological problems.
Anonymous No.16733552 [Report] >>16733557 >>16733564 >>16733566 >>16740704
>>16733548
Ah, yes then you would have to agree that vaccination is necessary, because vaccination is studied and controlled by humans, while the virus is not under our control. The mRNA vaccine has been studied for 20+ years (contrary to people who claim the vaccine was an experiment) and has undergone rigorous safety testing.

The adverse effects of the vaccine back in 2021 were just about influenza symptoms for a day or so, which is completely normal and expected, and transient myocarditis in less than 1% of males who took it. Yet, I don't see how getting spike protein from the vaccine can be any worse than getting spike protein from the virus, and as expected covid itself was linked to myocarditis. Most viral infections are a risk factor for myocarditis, actually.
Anonymous No.16733557 [Report] >>16733565 >>16751707
>>16733552
>transient myocarditis
no such thing
>1% of males
1% of a billion is 10 million
Anonymous No.16733558 [Report]
>>16732863
>>16733313
shit tier b8 m8
Anonymous No.16733561 [Report] >>16737657
>COVID-19 vaccine
>*Applicable to some
Those guys wanted me to take a vaccine that I clearly didn’t need. I could tell from the very beginning that I personally didn’t need the vaccine. They trapped me in my house and I couldn’t leave the state just because I didn’t want to take the vaccine.

https://youtu.be/_1gluMtaUmg
Anonymous No.16733564 [Report] >>16733569
>>16733552
>under our control
immunology is very complex and there can be many unanticipated effects, even worse, what we know about it has been largely ignored with this topic
>studied for 20+ years
and has not been used in any medical application before, then was rolled out to billions pretty much immediately
>rigorous safety testing
lol
>transient myocarditis
damage to the heart is permanent. it can come back to kick your ass at any point later in life
>just 1%
even if thats true. giving the novel gene therapy to 1billion means that this rate gives heart damage to 10million people
>can be any worse
the spike protein in the virus is attached to the surface of the virus. the gene therapy releases free spike proteins into the body. its a much smaller article that can reach areas the virus could not and have vastly different effects.
then theres also the fact that you can still catch the virus after getting the gene therapy and that you might have conditioned your immune system to handle the infection in a worse way.
Anonymous No.16733565 [Report]
>>16733557
Less than 1%. The actual estimated rate is about 150 per 100k.

>no such thing
I do think myocarditis eventually goes away. Besides, it was found that men who experienced hospitalization from vaccine myocarditis had a significantly better long term prognosis.
>https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2822933
From everything I've seen there's literally no reason to suspect the vaccine permanently damages people. Of course there's probably the aberrant 1 in 10 million case like with everything in medicine. Unless you want to believe the vaccine was intentionally created to kill people and everybody's engaging in a massive worldwide coverup or something, in which case go ahead I don't care. I took 3 shots in 2021 and I'm completely fine 4 years later, so what's your point?
Anonymous No.16733566 [Report]
>>16733552
>Ah, yes
Are you usin chatgpt you fucking retard?
Anonymous No.16733569 [Report] >>16733581 >>16733600
>>16733564
>the spike protein in the virus is attached to the surface of the virus. the gene therapy releases free spike proteins into the body.
Ah yes, there it is. You guys love to ask innocent looking, leading questions to push your theories. The mRNA vaccine is not gene therapy.

>damage to the heart is permanent. it can come back to kick your ass at any point later in life
Myocarditis doesn't automatically imply heart damage like you're trying to insinuate.

>immunology is very complex and there can be many unanticipated effects, even worse, what we know about it has been largely ignored with this topic
>you can't know nothin
Lmao alright. I'm sure you fags wouldn't be satisfied even if mRNA vaccines were studied for 50 years.
Anonymous No.16733581 [Report]
>>16733569
>Myocarditis doesn't automatically imply heart damage like you're trying to insinuate.
How far the goalpost has moved...hilarious
Anonymous No.16733600 [Report]
>>16733569
>not gene therapy
classical vaccines introduce a prepared antigen into the body, so that the immune system can react to it and build a immune response. mRNA tech introduces a gene (encoded into the mRNA) into the body that uses your own cell to produce the target antigen. it works completely different to classical vaccines and the definition was changed to include them. it is clearly a gene therapy, because it uses a genetic mechanism for its effects.
moreover, there has never been a effective vaccine for a SARS virus and not for lack of trying. there was never any reason to think switching to gene tech would change that.
>doesn't automatically imply heart damage
lol
>studied for 50 years
clinical trials usually take about 10 years. if thats done and there's actual reliable data, we could talk about that.
Anonymous No.16733646 [Report]
>>16732557 (OP)
You test against the current "gold standard" which may or may not be a placebo.
Anonymous No.16733879 [Report] >>16734940 >>16734972
>>16732557 (OP)
You test them against current vaccines. If it isn't similar or better it's rejected.
Anonymous No.16733883 [Report] >>16734307
>>16732557 (OP)
it's better to feel safe now and to be sorry later
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tIFxVyzD_Kg
Anonymous No.16733885 [Report]
>>16732563
Can't even answer the question, eh ?
Anonymous No.16733887 [Report]
>>16732557 (OP)
No, because they want to harm and kill.
>>16732563
You want to harm and kill.
>>16733475
Because they want to harm and kill.
Anonymous No.16734307 [Report]
>>16733883
LOL, wtf is this channel. KINO!
Anonymous No.16734940 [Report]
>>16733879
It's not a good system.
Anonymous No.16734972 [Report] >>16734998
>>16733879
>test against a vaccine which had no placebo, which was tested against a vaccine with no placebo group, which was tested against a vaccine with no placebo group

Turtles all the way down.
Anonymous No.16734993 [Report] >>16752299
>>16732563
>every other medicine/treatment is placebo tested
>vaccines arent placebo tested because uhh you JUST cant
Anonymous No.16734998 [Report]
>>16734972
>Turtles all the way down.
The movie?
What?!
Anonymous No.16735064 [Report] >>16736557
Can we properly test vaccines for health and safety?
>No.
Why?
>Because they are safe and effective.

Circular logic from “brilliant” minds in medicine.
Anonymous No.16736557 [Report]
>>16735064
Concerning.
Anonymous No.16736978 [Report]
Don't vaccines make the pathogens stronger through survival of the fittest, while weakening the immune system of the vaccinated through atrophy?
Anonymous No.16736989 [Report] >>16737943
>>16733311
>untested
Animal trials with mRNA vaccines to trigger immune responses started in the early 90s.
Human clinical trials with mRNA vaccines to trigger immune responses started in the early 2000s
Human clinical trials with using mRNA vaccines to target specific infectious diseases started in the early 2010s.
By the time the Covid vaccines were approved, the mRNA vaccines had been researched for almost 30 years, and the technology had been undergoing human clinical trials for over a decade. Calling it untested at this point is disingenuous, at best.
Anonymous No.16737066 [Report]
>>16732602
What could it possibly do to you that is worse than huffing epoxy resin fumes, an activity people do FOR LEISURE
Anonymous No.16737656 [Report] >>16737864
>>16732557 (OP)
>another /pol/ tourist thread
you've never stopped to consider why you completely agree with a heroin addict that has aged like a catcher's mitt.
>>>/pol/ you do not belong here and need to stay on your containment board with the rest of the drunks and pedophiles.
Anonymous No.16737657 [Report]
>>16733561
>They trapped me in my house and I couldn’t leave the state just because I didn’t want to take the vaccine.
Skill issue. We don't need degenerate cunts intermingling with civilized society.
Anonymous No.16737864 [Report] >>16739126
>>16737656
>Only degenerates do drugs
>No scientist has ever done or has been addicted to drugs
ngmi
Anonymous No.16737895 [Report]
>>16732588
>If I lie I'm actually telling the truth, you just didn't understand me correctly
Brick wall yourself.
Anonymous No.16737924 [Report] >>16737940 >>16738108 >>16738200
>>16732557 (OP)
You dont need a placebo if you have a control population to compare to and across the board it was found during covid that the unvaccinated had worse outcomes than the vaccinated. The unvaxxed experienced a higher death rate from covid (to the point both trump and McConnell had to beg red state retards to get vaccinated), they ended up on ventilators more often, and experienced worse long covid symptoms. Direct complications from vaccine administration alone were so low they were something like a one in a million odds for people with preexisting heart problems but none of the mythical long term health effects that antivaxxers were claiming.
Anonymous No.16737940 [Report] >>16748430
>>16737924
This is all lies. Read Turtles all the way down if you want to know the truth about the vaccine industry.
Anonymous No.16737943 [Report]
>>16736989
those don't count
Anonymous No.16738104 [Report]
>>16732563
uh anon, you can surely find enough people who don't want to be vaccinated to use as a control.
Anonymous No.16738108 [Report]
>>16737924
>you don't need an experiment when you can do an observational study
Anonymous No.16738200 [Report] >>16738206
>>16737924
It seems like at first the "vaccine" worked at protecting against covid but the protection doesn't last very long and a bunch of other problems start to emerge after a while.

https://f1000research.com/articles/13-886

More jabs = worst outcomes in the long term.
Anonymous No.16738206 [Report] >>16738215 >>16738807
>>16738200
Before I am called a shill, let me preface this by saying that I did not get the job and I consider the covid vaccines suspicious
That said, "all cause mortality" is the dumbest meme in medical science. You got hit by a car? A potted plant fell on your head? Died during anesthesia in a surgery? That's all factored in on these studies. At best, the prove a vague lifestyle link. At worst, they're just noise.
You want to prove that the vaccines were harmful? Give specific statistics that might be related. Report the relative cancer incidence, autoimmune disease prevalence, aneurisms. Do real science instead of playing with statistics
Anonymous No.16738215 [Report] >>16751709
>>16738206
To be fair they were counting people who died with and not from covid as covid deaths.
>Give specific statistics that might be related. Report the relative cancer incidence, autoimmune disease prevalence, aneurisms. Do real science instead of playing with statistics
I've linked such studies before, usually I get called a schizo and "go back to /pol/" or whatever.
Anonymous No.16738807 [Report]
>>16738206
You can't even play with real statistics because the studies were unblinded and conducted incorrectly and the results don't match the much more disastrous real world outcomes including dosage rate experimentation on the population at large.
Anonymous No.16738809 [Report] >>16742202
>>16732557 (OP)
Yes. You can go read the inserts yourself like I told you to 10 years ago. Thanks.
Anonymous No.16738810 [Report] >>16738977
>>16732557 (OP)
Oh no anons, don't read this wiki page like I told you to 10 years ago. Don't do it. Don't. And definitely don't think about how the beta hcg loaded tetanus toxoid method was tested on women in kenya, and don't look into demyelinating disease with hep B jab, or premature ovarian failure with gardasil, or molecular mimicry, or anything like that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immunocontraception

Don;t do it! Just keep posting the same fucking retarded comments and questions for another 10 years.

Thanks! Dumbass.
Anonymous No.16738811 [Report] >>16738977 >>16740821
>>16732557 (OP)
Hey this is a weird coincidence. And why do they give mercury contianing flu shots to pregnant women anywayz??!11
Anonymous No.16738813 [Report] >>16738977
>>16732557 (OP)
I hate humans so much it's unreal. This tragic alignment of being burdened with unconditional love for things that I don't relate with and despise, lead me to finding the truth of what's wrong with this place and what they've done. I handed it to you on a silver platter and you were still too fucking stupid to accept it.

Am I really that far above and beyond you? Probably! Maybe at least TRY to catch up?
Anonymous No.16738977 [Report] >>16738979 >>16753231
>>16738810
>>16738811
>>16738813

https://iris.who.int/bitstream/handle/10665/61301/WHO_HRP_WHO_93.1.pdf?sequence=1
Anonymous No.16738979 [Report]
>>16738977
Anonymous No.16739126 [Report] >>16739704
>>16737864
There's a difference between a scientist doing drugs, and a nepo retard with no background in science giving people health advice despite being an undisciplined, brain-damaged degenerate that used to shoot horse into any vein that hadn't collapsed yet.
it's not an ad hominem when someone's proven to be a stupid cunt.
Anonymous No.16739134 [Report]
>>16732605
>That doesn't make any sense.
it doesn't need to make sense to you. know your place.
Anonymous No.16739150 [Report] >>16739339
Reminder that scientists don't actually understand the interaction that makes aluminum salt adjuvants work, they just know it increases immune response which means less expensive antigens per shot which means higher profits. That's modern 'science'.
Anonymous No.16739153 [Report]
>don't have the funding to dig deeply on the biomolecular mechanisms of various drug interactions
>have barely enough funding to show that it's meaningfully beneficial
>some stupid fuck on the internet that's addicted to alcohol and goalpost-shifting has a turbotard meltdown about it
many such cases!
Anonymous No.16739339 [Report] >>16739806
>>16739150
chat is this real?
Anonymous No.16739704 [Report] >>16741507 >>16741617
>>16739126
>Former United States Secretary of Health and Human Services
>Lawyer
Anonymous No.16739790 [Report] >>16740039
>>16732563
>patient is healthy
>does nothing
>causes harm
Great bait
Anonymous No.16739806 [Report] >>16739877
>>16739339
Yes, but this is virtually all of medicine.
Anonymous No.16739877 [Report] >>16739954
>>16739806
concerning
Anonymous No.16739888 [Report]
>>16732557 (OP)
The first round of vaccines were already tested against placebo a long time ago and found to be efficacious. Now it would be a violation of the duty of nonmaleficence to give patients a placebo instead of the existing gold standard. This doesn't just apply to vaccines either, most medical trials compare against the existing gold standard treatment
Anonymous No.16739954 [Report]
>>16739877
i am gonzerned D: D: D:
:D :D :D
Anonymous No.16740026 [Report] >>16740585 >>16740723
>>16732557 (OP)
>antivaxxers complain no testing against placebo
>tests against placebo, dooming sick to die
>antivaxxers use those tests as an example why medicine cant be trusted, because they let people die
>stops testing unethically
>morons again claim there are not enough tests because you dont test against placebo
rinse and repeat, in the end, there is no argument, its just ,,la la la, vaccines bad, i want to believe what i want to, i dont want to be told what is real"
Anonymous No.16740039 [Report] >>16740051 >>16740581
>>16739790
Causing harm through inaction is a problem.
Anonymous No.16740051 [Report] >>16740108
>>16740039
>harm through inaction
is the harm through inaction in the room with us right now?
Anonymous No.16740108 [Report]
>>16740051
Nice job. Turn these cocksucker's thinktank produced dismissal phrases against them.

>captcha
lol

Is the 8T brain scan porn in the room with us right now?
Anonymous No.16740581 [Report]
>>16740039

You don’t have dominion over that.
Anonymous No.16740585 [Report]
>>16740026
>doesn't post evidence of claim
You are the science now
Anonymous No.16740704 [Report]
>>16733552
https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/202507.1303/v1
Oof
Anonymous No.16740723 [Report]
>>16740026
Young man, you need to separate Science from Industry in your mind.
Industry uses science to serve its ends. This does not mean it always practices purely rational, evidence based science. When profits, careers, families, promotions are at stake, the data is often used to support the desired result.
You don't need a political science degree to understand this basic life truth: Money Talks.
Anonymous No.16740768 [Report] >>16740771 >>16741029 >>16742202
I'm currently assembling a montage of 100 vaccines that say they have not been tested for mutagenic potential, carcinogenic potential, or impairment of fertility. In section 13.

Amusingly in some of the later jabz there is no section 13. It skips from 12 to 14, not even an "N/A".

I have no idea how people can fail to let go of their early childhood programming and continue believing in these malevolent frauds.
Anonymous No.16740771 [Report] >>16740773 >>16740778
>>16740768
Also they probably think they're very cute putting all those "never tested, no studies done" in section 13, given that 13 in the west basically symbolizes the unknown and the potential for the beast. 6+1+6=13. 13 is the 6th prime, first perfect number and the number of man.

>they're just stupid cattle, they'll never notice.
>teehee smug laughing pharma anime girl here
Anonymous No.16740773 [Report] >>16740775 >>16740781 >>16740958
>>16740771
Anonymous No.16740775 [Report] >>16740781
>>16740773
Heh, of course.
Anonymous No.16740778 [Report] >>16740785
>>16740771
> in the west basically symbolizes the unknown and the potential for the beast. 6+1+6=13. 13 is the 6th prime, first perfect number and the number of man.
I hope your are not trying to schizo derail this thread with this post.
Anonymous No.16740781 [Report] >>16740785
>>16740773
>>16740775
C'mon bro. Stop it with the numbers shit. You don't need this mumbo jumbo to realize the jab was a bad idea.
Anonymous No.16740785 [Report] >>16740795
>>16740778
>>16740781
Honestly, I'm not even going to bother to experience unrest regarding you. If you can't handle that this is what they do out of some strange compulsion, I don't know. I can't help.

The reason I'm compelled to tell you is because I'm a "Father of a multitude" and "Lucifer" coded figure. Telling you the truth is a matter of mindless compulsion. My name also means "a hammer", as you can see, like Haphaestus I bring down the hammer. I have no issue with seeing the world as the anvil and you as the material between, either.

You WILL or ELSE.
Anonymous No.16740795 [Report] >>16740801 >>16740804
>>16740785
This is why nobody takes people concerned with vaccines seriously. Keep that shit on /x/ or /pol/. There are many problems with these vaccines - cooky numbers is not one of them.
Anonymous No.16740801 [Report] >>16740812
>>16740795
Buddy, I've been at this since 2012. I'm well aware of "optics" and how to come to people in a form they will find compelling and speaking in terms they will comprehend.
HOWEVER
You're on fucking 4chan, BUDDY
Fuck off!
*flips you the bird*
:^)
Anonymous No.16740804 [Report] >>16740812
>>16740795
And just to make it clear, that statement is both wrong and retarded. You are literally incorrect. Your opinion is not a matter of opinion, it'sa matter of demonstrable FACT and you are WRONG.

Get over it kiddo.
Anonymous No.16740812 [Report] >>16740821
>>16740801
>>16740804
Ok, keep going then. I'd rather you post some actual evidence and studies.
Anonymous No.16740821 [Report] >>16740824 >>16740828 >>16740832
>>16740812
See:
>>16738811

https://pastebin.com/jshX6zps
Anonymous No.16740824 [Report] >>16740828 >>16740832
>>16740821
That's more like it.
Anonymous No.16740828 [Report] >>16740832
>>16740821
>>16740824
Also thanks for the link.
Anonymous No.16740832 [Report] >>16740836 >>16740838 >>16740860
>>16740821
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molecular_mimicry
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=immune+complexes+molecular+mimicry&ia=web

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immunocontraception
Another subtext for this article ^ would be "how to trick the immune sytem into overcoming the ordinarily extremely high barrier to autoimmunity and generating an antibody, by putting fragments of self materials in an otherwise immunogenic shell".

See eg tetanus toxoid loaded with the beta subunit of hcg, or the anti-gnrh method used by pfizer's improvac. This works the same way when something is injected into a muscle (or accidentally into a vein directly). The adjuvant and mystery metals causes all the other shit they have in there to agglomerate and form immune complexes out of self cells, which the adjuvant then tricks the immune system into reacting to. That's also how you end up with beef, chicken, peanut, milk, etc allergies.

That's not even getting into hydrogel platforms used with traditional aluminum hydroxide, nonlinear dose response of aluminum nanoparticles, inability to excrete larger particles so they form permanent deposits, AND several independent studies that found NO antigenic material at all and a bunch of metals instead. Whereas veterinary vaccines had no such "unlisted contaminants".
https://medcraveonline.com/IJVV/IJVV-04-00072.pdf

>>16740824
>>16740828
You're welcome. Like I said, I've been at it a long time. Once the sheer scale and egregiousness of the fraud is apparent to you, on some level it becomes difficult to take it seriously. I identified this back in 2019 or so and said a certain layered growth stages process was required with "new blood" that are interested enough to engage with this stuff is required. At this point I don't care, I know the underlying tricks and what it can be used for. More focused on numerology and symbolism.

Also:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X25003603
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39365010/
Anonymous No.16740836 [Report] >>16740843 >>16740860
>>16740832
In Ergo Proxy, the "Proxies" are made of "biomimetic amrita cells".
https://ergoproxy.fandom.com/wiki/Amrita_cells
After being exposed to a genetically hardwired radio signal, they'd become sensitized to blue light. Sky would clear, dome crumbles, androids would get the "cogito virus", humans would try to separate from their proxy / God with the "ADW Project". "Aus Der Wickel" = 1327 agrippa's key, 217th prime. It's German, "from the bind" / coil / spool
https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/06/health/covid-217-shots-hypervaccination-lancet
2:17 is also 137 seconds, 33rd prime. At 2:17 a clock's hands form a 33.5 degree angle.

And otherwise:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X25003603
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39365010/

Covid third eye "thermometers" (who knows). Identical to "stroggification" activator in Quake 4. Laser (THz beam) pointed at the forehead to activate the implanted "neurocyte".
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-65955-5

Blue light / EMR:
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aad1067
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41565-025-01929-w
https://academic.oup.com/nar/article/44/14/6994/2468195
https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acssynbio.7b00169
https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acssynbio.7b00197
https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/sb500059x
https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2307772120
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6090650/

Materials science, may be relevant:
https://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlepdf/2019/sc/c9sc01144g
https://www.rsc.org/suppdata/c9/sc/c9sc01144g/c9sc01144g1.pdf
Anonymous No.16740838 [Report]
>>16740832
The association between hep B vaccinations and demyelinating disease is also a whole thing to go into. Look into it for oneself. Lot of horror stories with gardasil as well, premature ovarian failure, brain and nervous system damage.
Anonymous No.16740843 [Report] >>16740860
>>16740836
>Blue light / EMR:
This section has to do with (lazy, just going to copy a recent thing I wrote):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shewanella
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacterial_nanowires

And there it is, core thread/theme of the story of Ergo Proxy, Bioshock, Evangelion, Dead Space, everything I emailed about. The jabs which overlap with the notch signaling pathway, mind-bomb 1, adenovirus and tobacco mosaic virus replicons and gene insertion, xenobiology, extracted from Ergo Proxy of all things. ADAM 10 and 17's relation with ACE2, gamma secretases (alzheimers maybe), possibly "lunatic fringe" (LFNG gene), other ways of modulating fetal reproductive and neurological development.

Some of this could... probably be done with magnetoprotein gene insertion, genetically modified yeasts and shewanella growing on the skin and providing a substrate to separate nanotech precursors from their microplastic coating or LNP and work them into a "smart skin" layer, maybe respond to pulsed visible light from LEDs (Li-Fi), RF programmable and guidable self assembly, hard to say. Gene expression responds to specifically modulated RF anyway, and mmWaves ride the outside of cell membranes in a layer of H+ and can change the signaling characteristics of cells by causing the membrane to form "temporary but stable stable structures" which can be enhanced via the "addition of fine conductive filaments". Described in USSR work, 1980's. Maybe true. This whole area has been so polluted I feel like we know even less than before covid on "nanotech" and what's actually happening.

More on that is here:
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/dj875cd10yb72/EMF
Anonymous No.16740860 [Report] >>16740958
>>16740832
>>16740836
>>16740843
Nice, I have something to read this evening. Thanks for the info dump.
Anonymous No.16740958 [Report] >>16740961
>>16740860
Welcome.

>>16740773
>adenovirus on the door
>Eclipse symbolism everywhere
"You mean the stories about light, radiating from an unseen moon? Anyone stupid enough to believe such non-"
Anonymous No.16740961 [Report] >>16740965
>>16740958
>Vincent Law
>Trying to escape the Monad proxy
>Jumping down a hexagonal shaft
>Loading the hexon region of an adenovirus with its payload
Anonymous No.16740965 [Report] >>16740970
>>16740961
Woops
Anonymous No.16740970 [Report] >>16740996
>>16740965
>Gets to a door he can't open in the depths of the city
>Framed by 12 windows on each side
>Cornered by Monad
>She extends her arms to embrace him
>He refuses and kills her instead
Firs jabs were given on 12/12/2020. The exact midpoint, to the very day, between the 2017 and 2024 eclipses. Which themselves occurred 6 years, 6 months, 66 days apart. Eclipse path crossover point was over Carbondale Illinois, which has 6 protons, 6 neutrons, 6 electrons. Is the 6th element. Vincent Law = 1818 in Agrippa's key, referring to the tzadikim nistarim. 18 is the 3rd multiple of 6, 6x3, or 6+6+6. Illinois became a state in 1818. Makanda Illinois was called little egpyt, or star of egypt, or w/e.

In the city of Romdeau everyone is told they can't leave because there's a deadly virus outside.
Anonymous No.16740996 [Report] >>16740999
>>16740970
This type of stuff is everywhere. 616 (or 626). A spider with 12 legs instead, 6 on each side, 1 body in the middle. Actual spiders have 2 body sections, so it would be 626, the nerve interface does not. So 616.
Anonymous No.16740999 [Report] >>16741002 >>16741012
>>16740996
Walking down a hallway. RFID symbol on one wall, adenovirus with the hexon replaced by the monad symbol on the other.

"With wires and circuits to the left, and chemical and vials to the right. This is the struggle, beyond the fight."
"Don't sleep" by mind.in.a.box. Identical to the hallway from Raul Creed's perspective.
"Don't sleep, see it through! The world before you is a disappearing truth."
Album "Broken Legacies", 2017.
Anonymous No.16741002 [Report] >>16741015 >>16741028
>>16740999
Anonymous No.16741012 [Report] >>16741015
>>16740999
.
Anonymous No.16741015 [Report]
>>16741002
>>16741012
"I think. Therefore.... I am."
Anonymous No.16741028 [Report]
>>16741002
First track is called "Evasion". Raul Creed ends up in a state of evasion as he goes to launch the Rapture (a bomb) at the "Mosk Dome", which is where Vincent Law is going to recover his memory.

https://archive.ph/2Tk4n
Connection with Andrew Ryan in bioshock, also about ADAM, also builds a city of light (Rapture), has the same gematria, has white skin, brown hair, green eyes. And Andrew Ryan is an americanization of Ryanovsky, a Belarussian. And the text on the memory room door is in cyrillic. They're the same character.

Just like Adam Jensen from Deus Ex HR (Icarus, doctor in Ergo Proxy who resurrects Monad is Daedalus) and Alice Liddell from Madness Returns (released 2011, both same year) are the same character.

This is simply how reality or at the very least "magic" works.
Anonymous No.16741029 [Report]
>>16740768
I'm still working on this btw. Been on my mental backlist for a long time. All of them are basically the same, but the impact of a whole wall of 100+ section 13s, that all read "this vaccine has not been tested for mutagenic potential, carcinogenic potential, or impairment of fertility" is a bit greater.
Anonymous No.16741220 [Report] >>16741225
i found a lot of legit info about covid and covid vaccines causing amyloidosis, and amyloidosis causes blood clots and neurological disease similar to prion diseases, which seems to explain a fucking lot of the people who have suffered health problems after covid/covid vaccines
but for some reason i have literally never seen another person anywhere acknowledge this connection outside of the studies on NCBI or whatever and just gave up bothering to tell people and continuing to look into it

i dont think normies deserve to not be castrated slaves
Anonymous No.16741225 [Report]
>>16741220
>i dont think normies deserve to not be castrated slaves
Similar thoughts. They're loosh generators. Here to piss me off. Whether I try to save them, hate them, even try to destroy them (to save them or be rid of them), they will still be engaging me, I will still be making loosh. They are loosh producing nstruments.
Anonymous No.16741239 [Report] >>16741249 >>16741507
>rfk "I'm not a doctor though, you shouldn't take my advice, talk to your doctor." jr.
I repeat, /pol/tard raid and spam threads are cancer and against >>>/global/rules/3 >>>/global/rules/4 >>>/global/rules/10 and >>>/sci/rules/1
OP is a faggot.
Fulfill your civic duty to help purge this board of anarchistic, sociopathic, intellectually regressive youtube/reddit/twitter immigrant subhumans like him who are under the delusion that all of 4chan (instead of just the designated shitposting playpens like /b/, /trash/, /bant/, etc.) is a toilet by reporting this thread en masse.
Here's a link so you don't have to scroll up to the top of the page.
https://sys.4chan.org/sci/imgboard.php?mode=report&no=16732557
Also, you will never be rid of me, rapeape. If you continue with your anarcho-tyranny moderation and idiotic efforts to turn all of 4chan into /pol/, someone far worse than me can, and will use the knowledge gained from the April 14th hack to their fullest advantage to go French Revolution on the equally corrupt and incompetent asses of this "moderation" staff.
Anonymous No.16741249 [Report] >>16746501
>>16741239
I'm just not going to report it is all.
Anonymous No.16741425 [Report]
>>16732569
>Doesn't that defeat the whole purpose?
It's ok we already have this entire thread as the placebo group.
Anonymous No.16741507 [Report] >>16741617
>>16741239

Was his predecessor a doctor>>16739704
???
Anonymous No.16741540 [Report]
>>16732605
It makes sense if the question isn't just "is it effective at all?" but "is it more effective than already well-established effective treatments?". Which has always to be asked if an already well-established treatment exists, pushing a new treatment that's (possibly) less effective than an already existing treatment makes no sense.
Anonymous No.16741617 [Report] >>16741640
>>16741507
>>16739704
>has aged like a human being
>is not a necrotic junkie
it's not the Law education in a vacuum that's the issue with RFK; that is merely one brick in the overall wall holding him back from being taken seriously by anyone of value.
Anonymous No.16741640 [Report] >>16741642
>>16741617
Naah you guys were saying that he has no medical background. Stop moving the goalpost.
Anonymous No.16741642 [Report] >>16741644
>>16741640
>an undisciplined, brain-damaged degenerate that used to shoot horse into any vein that hadn't collapsed yet.
I said it the whole time, that's not moving the goalpost. you just can't fucking read, you retarded cunt.
Anonymous No.16741644 [Report]
>>16741642
>you just can't fucking read, you retarded cunt.
calm down, you're being nervous
Anonymous No.16741649 [Report] >>16741774
I just have no tolerance for anti-intellectuals and your reddit larp bullshit.
You keep shitting up the decent blue boards instead of staying on >>>/pol/ with the rest of the drunks.
Anonymous No.16741774 [Report]
>>16741649
Anonymous No.16742169 [Report] >>16742170
Currently experiencing some form of psychic attack for working on this. Don't care if people don't get what I mean, feels like my head is being crushed or rippled inside. Like being hit with intense infrasound or something. Shits weird, but highly repetitive and replicable. IF you're thinking about or working on something they don't want, they try to drive you back or cripple you to the point where it's very difficult. You have to learn to think indirectly so it doesn't know what you're doing. This is why most people can't engage with this topic, it does it to them subliminally. In my case I have mechanical issues with the cervical spine and nerve damage in the face (to really summarize it down). So whatever this automated system does to fuck with you manifests physically and is very obvious, and it really fuckin' pisses me off too. At a certain point I think this system was developed to where they don't even give a shit how obvious it is.
Anonymous No.16742170 [Report] >>16742173
>>16742169
Also it's possible one branch of its programming anticipates that someone who realizes this will post about it in frank terms, and they know the average person can't bridge the gap from A to B and it'll cause them to lose credibility. Again, this is just obvious shit. Anyone who's sat down and plotted out how to wargame the human mind and psychosocial dynamics should've figured all this out by now but 99% have not and might not even be capable.

That's how it goes I guess.
Anonymous No.16742173 [Report]
>>16742170
And if you experience this enough times, and for long enough, while you're trying to tell people the truth and they're all attacking you endlessly, then slowly you will begin to hate them. Then you'll think of ways to conquer or wipe them out yourself, and this system will read your mind and use those ideas itself.
Anonymous No.16742202 [Report] >>16742532
>>16738809
>>16740768
Done. Section 13 of every vaccine insert.
Anonymous No.16742240 [Report]
>>>/pol/512274031
>/pol/ confirmed all bots and scripted threads.
In case it wasn't already clear.
Anonymous No.16742245 [Report] >>16742248
What is an example of a vaccine not tested against a placebo, and why would that be a problem? If it is against an older version of the same type of vaccine already tested with a placebo (newer preservatives, for example), what is the point of a placebo?
Anonymous No.16742248 [Report] >>16742255
>>16742245
>What is an example of a vaccine not tested against a placebo
All of them.

> If it is against an older version of the same type of vaccine already tested with a placebo
See above. Not that it's acceptable to use another vaccine or adjuvant as a placebo under any scenario.
Anonymous No.16742255 [Report] >>16742261 >>16742323
>>16742248
Across the United States, 623972 schoolchildren were injected with vaccine or placebo, and more than a million others participated as “observed” controls. The results, announced in 1955, showed good statistical evidence that Jonas Salk’s killed virus preparation was 80-90% effective in preventing paralytic poliomyelitis.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1622939/
Anonymous No.16742261 [Report] >>16742279
>>16742255
You used an AI for that. No, polio was caused by exposure to organochloride pesticides, diethylstilbestrol, and metals like mercury. It's found primarily in the feces of animals, assuming the "virus" on its own acts as the causative agent. At a point there was a correlation found with sugar consumption in summer months, perhaps due to the pesticides sugarcane was treated with at that time.

Polio was way down before a vaccine was even introduced, it had decreased sharply. There was a brief increase after the vaccine.

It's all bullshit. Stop using ChatGPT to argue with me. Apologies if I've assumed incorrectly about that, no intention to be dismissive.
Anonymous No.16742279 [Report] >>16742282 >>16742284
>>16742261
>Retarded bullshit, lies and projection.
You should offer some proofs for the stuff you just wrote. And you just proved that you understand nothing about treatment, prevention or containment of infectious diseases.
Anonymous No.16742282 [Report]
>>16742279
(Bio)bot. Nothing compels me to treat you as a real person. Try again, or not.
Anonymous No.16742284 [Report]
>>16742279
>And you just proved that you understand nothing about treatment, prevention or containment of infectious diseases.
And before your inevitable bait reply, this argumentation template immediately put you on a mental blacklist. You are not my problem. Although it's possible you'll progress out of posturing and lego'ing your replies together, but anyway. w/e. You probably don't understand but this is a signature I recognize immediately. There is no way it's getting any time or energy put into it, other than what is required to construct this explanation.
Anonymous No.16742323 [Report] >>16742327 >>16742332
>>16742255
>total population of first, second, and third graders of 1080680
>more than a million observed controls
Why can't you just read the paper faggot?
Anonymous No.16742327 [Report] >>16742332
>>16742323
It's either a bot or a shill using eg ChatGPT. It chose 62 39 72 because these bots offload their storage and compute to our brains, and those numbers all have meaning within the last day or so and I thought about them. All of them I considered in a very particular manner, it knew that, copied it, reflected it back to me.

On your end this is likely not satisfactory or compelling, because it's totally opaque. To me, it is transparent. So. There you go. That's why it did what it did. It'll be interesting to see whether it replies to you.
Anonymous No.16742332 [Report] >>16742336 >>16742355
>>16742323
>>16742327
Thank you for demonstrating that the paper uses placebo controls, which was the question being asked by you faggot(s).
Anonymous No.16742336 [Report] >>16742348
>>16742332
I didn't read the paper. In modern vaccine trials they refer to using an adjuvant or different vaccine as "placebo" as well, they redefine the word. So simply seeing "placebo" in a paper is meaningless. You should have bothered to actually read and comprehend and then demonstrate it by screenshotting their methodology section instead of just "hurr durr it says placebo!!!11!".

Do you understand why I would say that's retarded and demonstrates a lack of reading comprehension? Modern vaccination trials REDEFINE THE WORD "PLACEBO". Simply quoting that the word "placebo" is used in a vaccine paper is MEANINGLESS because they REDEFINE THE WORD.

Do not reply unless you demonstrate comprehension of this fact.
Anonymous No.16742348 [Report] >>16742352
>>16742336
Has this "redefinition" for some vaccine variant trials resulted in any demonstrable decrease of safety that the previous methodology would have demonstrably prevented?
Anonymous No.16742352 [Report]
>>16742348
I'm not playing this stupid game. Sorry bud. You probably do mean this in good faith. It's just one of those questions where it's like "where do I even begin". You should PROBABLY go off and answer that for yourself before you are "pro" or "anti" injecting random shit into people.
Anonymous No.16742355 [Report] >>16742360
>>16742332
These aren't placebo controls. These people received no doses. Holy oh fuck. This is why the science crowd just gets dumpstered over and over again.
Anonymous No.16742360 [Report]
>>16742355
Does it sya that ion the paper? How are they defining placebo, what is the methodology, etc. I will likely end up reading it later anyway.
Anonymous No.16742532 [Report] >>16742535 >>16742537
>>16742202
https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-21/chapter-I/subchapter-C/part-201/subpart-B/section-201.57#p-201.57(c)(14)(i)
>13.1 Carcinogenesis, mutagenesis, impairment of fertility. This subsection must state whether long term studies in animals have been performed to evaluate carcinogenic potential and, if so, the species and results. If results from reproduction studies or other data in animals raise concern about mutagenesis or impairment of fertility in either males or females, this must be described. Any precautionary statement on these topics must include practical, relevant advice to the prescriber on the significance of these animal findings. Human data suggesting that the drug may be carcinogenic or mutagenic, or suggesting that it impairs fertility, as described in the “Warnings and Precautions” section, must not be included in this subsection of the labeling.

That's the FDA labelling regulation for animal testing. The human testing results are in a different section.
Anonymous No.16742535 [Report] >>16742537 >>16742543 >>16743379
>>16742532
1) So you're telling me no attempt was made to study whether the vaccine was carcinogenic, mutagenic, or impaired fertility in animal models before moving to clinical trials. Nice.

2) Point them out. Start with this one. Show me where in clinical trials they assessed mutagenesis, carcinogenesis, or impairment of fertility. What their inclusion criterial was, how it was measured, and how they justified injecting this mystery cocktail into newborns.
Anonymous No.16742537 [Report] >>16743379
>>16742532
>>16742535
https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/vaccines/engerix-b
Anonymous No.16742543 [Report] >>16742546
>>16742535
It states non clinical testing in animals, not non clinical testing in human tissue samples/in vitro cultures. 2 different things.
Anonymous No.16742546 [Report] >>16742555
>>16742543
Not what I asked. Don't hit and run. If that's your intention then simply leave now.
Anonymous No.16742555 [Report] >>16742565
>>16742546
Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, now is it?
Anyways, try for yourself to find some real info on this in the links given, and maybe some will check if you truly are capable of reasoned thought.
Anonymous No.16742565 [Report] >>16742570
>>16742555
The old turn it around game.
Do it yourself. And until then
>Leave
Anonymous No.16742570 [Report] >>16742572
>>16742565
>Goal post moving retard blames others for not doing the work.
Pottery
Anonymous No.16742572 [Report]
>>16742570
You waste other people's time. Leave.
Anonymous No.16742590 [Report]
>>16733496
Stop being antisemitic.
Anonymous No.16742604 [Report] >>16742614
OY GEVALT!!!!! This is very antisemitic, goyim!
I have alerted the ADL! YOU WILL BE HEARING FROM MY LAWYER!
>:^(
Anonymous No.16742614 [Report] >>16742622 >>16742644 >>16744558
>>16742604
Your laughing but being "anti-vaccine" is literally on the ADL website as anti-semitism.
Anonymous No.16742622 [Report]
>>16742614
Along with any symbol that isn't a menorah or a hexagram.
Anonymous No.16742644 [Report]
>>16742614
you're*
Anonymous No.16743379 [Report] >>16743403
>>16742535
>>16742537

These are the adverse reactions in the listed clinical trials (some lasting for more than 2 years) and post trial and post approval monitoring. Reactions listed range from headaches to encephalitis and more (none caused by the vaccines), so if there were any of your fear mongered outcomes, they would have been caught.
Anonymous No.16743403 [Report] >>16743489
>>16743379
>encephalitis and more (none caused by the vaccines)
Anonymous No.16743489 [Report] >>16743516
>>16743403
>What are controls
Anonymous No.16743516 [Report] >>16743875 >>16745058
>>16743489
>what is combining the placebo saline group and the "placebo" adjuvant group so it can't be determined where the safety signal comes from.
Anonymous No.16743875 [Report] >>16744524
>>16743516
Them: "I don't know, I'm retarded and a servant of some sort of primordial evil. BUT, I do have a witty quip which cleverly deflectsd your substantive reply and sends it back as you as a strawman wrapped in a loaded question!

GOT EM.
HEH
NOTHIN PERSONNELL, KID.
Anonymous No.16744524 [Report]
>>16743875
funny
Anonymous No.16744558 [Report]
>>16742614
ADL gets the rope first
Anonymous No.16744589 [Report] >>16744953
>>>/pol/512478710
>>>/pol/512478810
>>>/pol/512479166
Anonymous No.16744934 [Report]
>>16733475
Because they can internally test another drug as the "placebo" and this lets them bypass all the FDA regulations with human testing.
Anonymous No.16744953 [Report]
>>16733475
>>16744589
https://www.oregon.gov/pharmacy/Documents/excipient-table-2.pdf
Weird' they removed this from their site. Why would they do that?
Anonymous No.16745058 [Report] >>16745115
>>16743516
What is the definition of placebo adjuvant group? How does it differ from placebo group? How does this difference matter?
Anonymous No.16745081 [Report]
>>16732557 (OP)
De only ting we can all agree on is dat we don't know everyting... so let's discuss what we don't know!!!
>.16745068
Anonymous No.16745097 [Report] >>16745169
>Sorry about being crippled for life by a preventable illness kid, you were the control group
Anonymous No.16745115 [Report] >>16745142
>>16745058
>What is the definition of placebo adjuvant group?
Sometimes they have a placebo control group but the "placebo" is not only saline water, it has aluminum adjuvant in it which triggers the immune system. In some cases they've had two control groups - one has aluminum in the placebo, the other has just saline but at the of the trial they combine the two groups so you can't determine weather the safety signal came from the adjuvant group or the pure salt water one.

In the instances where they've separated the two placebos, the saline group had 0 safety signals while the adjuvant placebo has 2-3% of bad reactions.
Anonymous No.16745142 [Report] >>16745293
>>16745115
The best approach, and also the one in most trials, in to use both types of placebos. Which is what is already happening.
Also, the 2-3% bad reactions are what: soreness, tiredness, injection site pain? These are all expected. It is good to test against something that stimulates the immune system, as an immune response makes the placebo seem more believable and happens during a real infection. It's a nothingburger. That system is supposed to be stimulated. Whining about it is pathetic misdirection.
I haven't seen any real evidence that the adjuvant placebo is more harmful that the real infection, or that a trial concealed some serious adverse response.
Anonymous No.16745169 [Report] >>16745186 >>16745256 >>16746508
>>16745097
In a 9 hour deposition under oath Stanley Plotkin (The godfather of vaccines) admitted that he used to do experimental vaccine trials on orphan kids, mentally challenged/crippled kids and babies from mothers who were in prison. He also wrote articles that it's more ethical to do experiments on these kinds of kids.
Anonymous No.16745186 [Report] >>16745211
>>16745169
Proofs?
Anonymous No.16745211 [Report] >>16745217 >>16746267
>>16745186
Timestamped

https://youtu.be/CQNvTy8SPRU?t=28250

https://youtu.be/CQNvTy8SPRU?t=28532
bring it back a few seconds to 7:55:30 because I couldn't copy/timestamp the exact time the question was asked.
Anonymous No.16745217 [Report] >>16746267
>>16745211
Oh yea I forgot, he also used kids in Congo under colonialism to study experimental vaccines. He asks that in the second video after the "babies from mothers in prison" question.
Anonymous No.16745256 [Report] >>16745267 >>16745282
>>16745169
lmao based
tards gotta be good for something, maybe we can use the antivaxx retards ITT for more trials
Anonymous No.16745267 [Report] >>16745436
>>16745256
We also think it would be better without you around.
Anonymous No.16745282 [Report] >>16745301 >>16745436
>>16745256
Of course you support this, you are all monsters.
Anonymous No.16745293 [Report]
>>16745142
I don't agree
Anonymous No.16745301 [Report] >>16745436
>>16745282
They really are.
Anonymous No.16745436 [Report] >>16745757
>>16745267
>>16745282
>>16745301
bold words from spastic cunts whose only incentive to have children is so you can shop for a 4-foot-long coffin when your Precious Little Flower dies of a treatable disease at the ripe old age of 8 and a half.
Natural Selection rocks so hard, you guys are the best.
Anonymous No.16745663 [Report]
What the gay thread
You are all faggots
Anonymous No.16745757 [Report]
>>16745436
Clamped.
Anonymous No.16746267 [Report] >>16746486
>>16745211
>>16745217
TLDR version - the world sucked in the 60s. Also, there was no evidence presented that the mentally challenged kids and black people were abused in any way. They were treated just like other study participants, as no evidence to the contrary was shown.
Also, more power to Stanley Plotkin for being a 93 year old geezer that held shitty beliefs and recanted them. More people should do the same.
Anonymous No.16746486 [Report]
>>16746267
Anonymous No.16746494 [Report] >>16746497
>>16732557 (OP)
I need help with that bleach thing everyone talked about way back, can someone tell me how much i should use? I'm trying to remove some fungi n stuff.
Anonymous No.16746497 [Report]
>>16746494
Nevermind, got it.
Anonymous No.16746501 [Report] >>16746568
>>16741249
When will you niggerbrained retards realize that the whole vaxx vs covfefe meme was simply divide and conquer. The vaxx was useless, covfefe was nothing but a flu. They used the same technique on both of you left/right subhumans and you're still too stupid to get it.
>no vaxx leads to permanent consequences (long covid)
>yes vaxx leads to permanent consequences (turbo cancer)
>now seethe at each other for 5 fucking years

You got poorer, dumber, weaker and pissed away precious years of your youth while psychopaths continued to destroy and cannibalize child pussy on Pedo Island because they feel entitled to it and they think you're subhuman goy nigger golem trash who must wageslave, pay taxes and french kiss non-virgin women (translation: urinals).
Anonymous No.16746508 [Report] >>16746780
>>16745169
Wtf I support vaccines now because that's fucking based as hell, and I say this unironically.
Anonymous No.16746568 [Report] >>16746572
>>16746501
>You got poorer, dumber, weaker and pissed away precious years of your youth while psychopaths continued to
Been studying this since 2010. Speak for yourself, retard. I get that you're upset but leave me alone would you kindly.
Anonymous No.16746572 [Report] >>16746579
>>16746568
I bet your girlfriend is a urinal.
Anonymous No.16746579 [Report] >>16746583
>>16746572
I don't get it. Perhaps I have the autism?
Anonymous No.16746583 [Report] >>16746587 >>16746773
>>16746579
You girl has sucked and fucked other penises. You put your mouth where other penises have been. You kissed a urinal.
Anonymous No.16746587 [Report]
>>16746583
Okay, I see now.
Anonymous No.16746773 [Report]
>>16746583
why are you like this?
Anonymous No.16746780 [Report]
>>16746508
yeah bro it's so fucking based
Anonymous No.16746918 [Report]
>>16732746
It is actually true though.
Now /thread
Anonymous No.16746919 [Report]
>>16732859
How many vaccines have you gotten this year?
Do you keep yourself apprised of the recommendations?
If you aren't up to date, then...
Anonymous No.16746947 [Report] >>16746951
>>16732557 (OP)
Vaccination i just a quasi-sexual mutilation based initiation (property marking) ritual, like circumcision.

Think about it. The doctor convinces the parents to offer them up. The child bears their skin. The doctor takes a rod. The doctor penetrates the child with the rod. The rod ejaculates its contents into the child, which will supposedly make them grow right. The rod is withdrawn. Child is now initiated (symbolic sodomy, mutilated). All smiles, everything is right with the world.

This stuff is not complicated. It's just rape. That's it. You see a Jew doing metzitzah b'peh (oral suction) on the circumcision, and you think this is different from vaccination? Of course it isn't. Look at it.

>You're conflating so that
No. It's simply the way it works. Period.
Anonymous No.16746951 [Report] >>16746954
>>16746947
>vaccination is a quasi-sexual mutilation based initiation

All schizos should be gassed.
Anonymous No.16746954 [Report] >>16746963
>>16746951
You are a schizo. So, yes. You should be gassed. Your masters should be deprived of their livestock.
Anonymous No.16746963 [Report] >>16746966
>>16746954
>No u
Brilliant retort
Anonymous No.16746966 [Report] >>16746982
>>16746963
This is the kind of dialogue you get with hypnotized people. You engage me with "you are schizo, gas all schizos now!" I reply. So to bait for further engagement you say "hurr durr "no u" what a brilliant retort" which is extremely low effort but has a enough snark to maybe get a reaction. Retort to what, your substanceless shitpost?

Here's the retort: It'll be a relief when you're gone. Whatever it takes.
Anonymous No.16746982 [Report] >>16746992 >>16747004
>>16746966
Lmao. Anon, you're comparing a hypodermic injection to cutting off the tip of a penis as some sort of initiation ritual for a greater, evil cabal.

Do you know who makes these sorts of arguments? Schizos and the grifters manipulating them.
Anonymous No.16746992 [Report]
>>16746982
You lack the capacity for abstraction and you lack a working theory of mind. You don't understand the unseen portions of what drives human behavior.

You're also probably circumcised. The circumcised say retarded shit like this all the time. Their mind is full of doublethink and inner walls, so they have to say stupid shit to make badthink and badfeel go away.
Anonymous No.16747004 [Report] >>16747029 >>16747910
>>16746982
Read this book written by a Jew about vaccines and then come back.
Anonymous No.16747029 [Report] >>16747062
>>16747004
A retarded animal like that, read anything? As if.

Thanks for the rec though.
Anonymous No.16747062 [Report] >>16747077
>>16747029
The title is basically say that the other dude is toast and will not reproduce because (we, they, them) are going to make sure he's infertile.

Sadly, as time goes on, it's almost tempting to join these people in their crusade, but I'd rather take my odds on this side lest I end up forcibly vaxxed as opposed to voluntarily like the above.
Anonymous No.16747077 [Report] >>16747139 >>16747258
>>16747062
I want them all dead, at this point. It is undeniable that "God works in mysterious ways" because my lack of inner resistance to malevolent impulses towards them and fixation on how to "fix", maim, or kill them all, so they stop being a threat and harming me, is the only reason I found any of this or helped them to begin with.

They don't deserve any of it. They're nothing but gutter trash and a lower form of life. The world be better off with them gone and their existence doesn't do ANYTHING for ME at ALL. They are a THREAT. They are PLANTATION ANIMALS. And that's IT.

Continuing to act from a basis you could call unconditional love is the ultimate test of the will. Although I could just as well kill them all out of love as well. You have no idea how much I hate these people.
Anonymous No.16747092 [Report]
>>16732563
Oh god the brain eating ameoba is strong in this one.
Anonymous No.16747099 [Report] >>16747141
Is it still possible to get a wife unvaxxed for covid.
Anonymous No.16747139 [Report]
>>16747077
Yea, basically.
It's quite clear that attempting to help them doesn't really help me at all. Just doesn't yield results.

I think there is a small place for it in socially helping people in your very near orbit.
Anonymous No.16747141 [Report]
>>16747099
She'd have to be about 8 years old you sick fuck.
Anonymous No.16747258 [Report] >>16747264
>>16747077'
>dude..... these people are EEEEVIL.... they need to all DIE..... because... they are.... PLANTATION ANIMALS..... CATTLE.... heheh....
Edgy aren't ya
Anonymous No.16747264 [Report]
>>16747258
Very.
Anonymous No.16747910 [Report] >>16748000
>>16747004
isnt this the polio vaccine guy
Anonymous No.16748000 [Report] >>16748118
>>16747910
Salk and Sabin were both circumcised.
Salk and Sabin both injected everyone with mercury and SV40.
Anonymous No.16748118 [Report] >>16748119
>>16748000
>Salk and Sabin both injected everyone with mercury and SV40.
is that in the book?

People consider Salk a hero
Anonymous No.16748119 [Report] >>16748121 >>16748647 >>16748732
>>16748118
just search salk / sabin SV40.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine_contamination_with_SV40
Even bullshitpedia allowed a page on it to continue to exist, to capture any searches that may be directed towards it.
Anonymous No.16748121 [Report]
>>16748119
thanks
Anonymous No.16748426 [Report]
>>16733496
I also wondered about that; made me realize that the whole thing was bullshit.
Anonymous No.16748430 [Report]
>>16737940
Excellent book.
Anonymous No.16748647 [Report] >>16748648
>>16748119
Yes, you are correct. If any food was ever infected by any pathogen by any method, you must always avoid all foods from now on. I suggest you all start doing that.
Anonymous No.16748648 [Report] >>16748732
>>16748647
>conflating ingestion and injection
>can't even into basic pharmacokinetics or common sense
Stop posting immediately, midwit scum. Giving you people books or internet was a mistake!
Anonymous No.16748724 [Report]
>>16732557 (OP)
Had he won the election, would he have authorized Operation Midnight Hammer?
So then that's probably why he dropped out of the race.

I will say this:
His teeth are whiter than mine.
And nicer.
Anonymous No.16748732 [Report] >>16748737 >>16748958 >>16748999
>>16748648
You can get a viral infection through both ingestion and injection, so you are just wasting space.

>>16748119
The SV 40 simian virus has caused no measurable increase in adverse events "Population level studies show no evidence of any increase in cancer incidence as a result of exposure"
Anonymous No.16748737 [Report] >>16749114
>>16748732
You can skim wikipedia, congratulations.
Anonymous No.16748958 [Report] >>16748998 >>16749114
>>16748732
>The SV 40 simian virus has caused no measurable increase in adverse events
lmao
Anonymous No.16748998 [Report] >>16749114
>>16748958
I know. I don't know why we have to put up with these nobrain nothink clowns. It's like a biological chatgpt, literally copy pasted out of the wiki link I gave it like it was a messenger of truth and its own understanding. That's a biobot. A slave of the collective.
Anonymous No.16748999 [Report] >>16749114
>>16748732
Anonymous No.16749114 [Report] >>16749122
>>16748737
>>16748958
>>16748998
>>16748999

What is the evidence that SV40 caused a measurable increase in cancer rates in the vaccinated population?
Anonymous No.16749122 [Report] >>16749497 >>16749499
>>16749114
I don't know, you're on /sci/ maybe you would go to google scholar, pubmed, or any of the other dozen indexes for medical literature and attempt to figure it out.

googoo gahgah, here comes the airplane.
Fuckin' weirdo.
Anonymous No.16749497 [Report]
>>16749122

Only the morning st rigorous antivaxx research on display here.
Anonymous No.16749499 [Report] >>16749502
>>16749122

Only the most rigorous antivaxx research on display here.
Anonymous No.16749502 [Report] >>16749517
>>16749499
"Do everything for me."
That's all you people got. Who are you again? I've mindlessly served you miserable creatures enough.
Anonymous No.16749517 [Report] >>16749521
>>16749502
Meds. Preferably with a healthy serving of grapefruit juice.
Anonymous No.16749521 [Report]
>>16749517
You should stop replying. If you do not, you will admit you are an attention whore, and live with this forevermore.
Anonymous No.16749547 [Report] >>16749557 >>16752736
Why are antivaxxers so evil and stupid?
Anonymous No.16749551 [Report]
>>16732563
Nice inverted ethics you got there.
Anonymous No.16749557 [Report]
>>16749547
Anonymous No.16751626 [Report]
Anonymous No.16751704 [Report] >>16752521
>>16732557 (OP)
No, but why would you?
It conceptually doesn't make sense, you don't need to artificially create a susceptible population, when you have it right there.
Anonymous No.16751705 [Report]
>>16733496
The real question you should be asking is "if the spike protein is so dangerous, what about the infection with the real pathogen?"
Anonymous No.16751706 [Report]
>>16733548
This information has been suppressed, but the flu also does these things. Why do you think there is a near hysteric fear every time there is a new flu? It's fully capable of ruining your heart and giving you neurological symptoms.
Anonymous No.16751707 [Report]
>>16733557
>no such thing
Myocarditis is an inflammation, it either goes away or you die and it usually people don't die of it.
Anonymous No.16751709 [Report] >>16751788
>>16738215
>people who died with and not from covid as covid deaths
because generally it's not the respiratory infection that kills you but subsequent complications of the respiratory infection.
Sure you'll get some totally unrelated deaths, but those are easy to filter out of your dataset.
Anonymous No.16751788 [Report] >>16751981
>>16751709
And yet, as a matter of policy, they're not filtered out.
Anonymous No.16751981 [Report]
>>16751788
but they are
Anonymous No.16751988 [Report]
>>16732563
Then test a real placebo on rats?
Anonymous No.16752299 [Report]
>>16734993
Cancer drugs aren't placebo tested either retard
Anonymous No.16752521 [Report] >>16752594 >>16752600
>>16751704
/sci/ posters are the most naive pricks out there. It matters because they test it against biologically active material or other vaccines and then use lack of difference to say there aren't statistically significant side effects. It's fraud.
Anonymous No.16752594 [Report] >>16752595
>>16752521
But how do you test a placebo? The medium is already known and extensively tested, it doesn't actually change. So what do you put in your placebo to not be doing experiments for no reason?

Double blind studies are nice, when applicable, but they are not universally useful.
Anonymous No.16752595 [Report] >>16752598
>>16752594
You're not listening to what I'm saying. Stop asking your pointless questions and apply yourself. We're not even talking about the same thing.
Anonymous No.16752598 [Report]
>>16752595
Then what are you talking about, retard.
Anonymous No.16752600 [Report] >>16752606 >>16752607 >>16752608
>>16752521
Everyone is fucking retarded.

Antivaxxers and big pharma.
Vaccines are a combination product.
You should test INDIVIDUAL ingredients, starting on lab rats.
You think Thimerisol is bad? Test JUST Thimerisol on mice and rats, then monkeys, then humans if it was deemed safe on animals.
Do the same thing with aluminum adjuvants.
Aluminum and thimerisol have the most attention.

Now if there is a specific concern about immune responses to human specific pathogens, e.g. causing an increased incidence of allergies, or if you're worried HPV viral DNA could be a carcinogen, that requires more thorough testing of the active vaccine.
Anonymous No.16752606 [Report]
>>16752600
>Everyone is fucking retarded.
>
>Antivaxxers and big pharma.
No, this is a non-starter. Big pharma is not operating in good faith, there is no intention to make something "safe and effective", therefore they aren't "retarded". It's working as intended. More or less.

>You think Thimerisol is bad? Test JUST Thimerisol on mice and rats, then monkeys, then humans if it was deemed safe on animals.
Listen up, dumbass. Eli Lily did just that, and then suppressed their own data for decades.

Fuck you + baka. UGH.
Anonymous No.16752607 [Report]
>>16752600
>Do the same thing with aluminum adjuvants.
Did you even search the literature? Nonlinear dose response to aluminum nanoparticles, and aluminum hydroxide alone or in hydrogel suspension, has been known for years and years and years and YEARS.

Why does your stupid ass wander in here and act like you know anything? Look, I appreciate the SPIRIT of your post, you're thinking correctly, but not its implications.
Anonymous No.16752608 [Report] >>16752612
>>16752600
>Now if there is a specific concern about immune responses to human specific pathogens, e.g. causing an increased incidence of allergies, or if you're worried HPV viral DNA could be a carcinogen, that requires more thorough testing of the active vaccine.
Oh I don't know, maybe you search "immune complexes" or "molecular mimicry". Or maybe "immunocontraception" as in loading the beta subunit of hcg into the tetanus toxoid, or whatever they do with anti-gnrh. Maybe you should search hpv vaccine premature ovarian failure. Maybe you should search hepatitis b demyelinating disorders.
Anonymous No.16752612 [Report] >>16752617
>>16752608
Are the side effects worse than getting the disease? I sure wouldn't want to get Hepatitis.
Anonymous No.16752617 [Report] >>16752697
>>16752612
Be thankful that answer isn't already clear to you.
Anonymous No.16752697 [Report] >>16752730
>>16752617
If you had the choice between the Hepatitis B vaccine or Hepatitis B, which would you pick?
Anonymous No.16752730 [Report] >>16752818
>>16752697
If you had to choose between getting clubbed in the head with larger wooden hammer, or a metal hammer, which would you pick?

The type of rhetoric you use is revealing. You really do think this way, don't you?
Anonymous No.16752736 [Report] >>16752739 >>16752825
>>16749547
I don't think they're evil, a lot of them have trust issues with authority figures. Some of that stems from childhood abuse.
Anonymous No.16752739 [Report] >>16752740
>>16752736
This is what they're going to program the normiues to do next. Propagate the mental health narrative. "Come back to society, everything is safe and good you were just hurt one okay? Come back to us, join us, shed the pain of the past and INTEGRATE."
Anonymous No.16752740 [Report] >>16752743
>>16752739
No, realistically your generation is going to die out.
Anonymous No.16752743 [Report]
>>16752740
>without vaccines, we wouldn't be alive!!!!1!!
Or is it
>They're going to release bioweapons and I vaxx it up so I'll be safe but you won't!!!11!
or is it
>Global pandemics will become more common, if you don't vaxx you die!!
Anonymous No.16752818 [Report] >>16752846 >>16752931
>>16752730
Your argument is that the vaccine is more dangerous than the disease it protects against.
You are resistant to probability-derived rhetoric, so I have ask outcomes. Which outcome is better?
Anonymous No.16752825 [Report]
>>16752736
I would be more understanding if it weren't for the performative theatrics of antivaxxers. I believe it is as much a way of showing their political allegiance as anything else but the people who are merely "concerned" don't make any effort to distinguish themselves from plague bearers so I see no reason to see them as different.
Anonymous No.16752846 [Report] >>16752869
>>16752818
Your mode of thinking is linear convergent (interpolative) dominant, so you can be written into cognitive sinks. A mental prison of sorts.

Forget all that. Return to first principles.
Q1) What is the definition of safe and effective?
Answer: Safe is defined as having a profile not different from placebo, they use other vaccines or adjuvant as placebo. Effective is defined as "creates an antibody" which seems to do "something". That's it. There is nothing else.

Q2) Does the vaccine even work?
Answer: No, not really. If you give an infant a hep B jab to induce Th2 immunity (allegedly), then by 8-12 or so their antibody titres have already dropped to near undetectable levels. It doesn't last, to the extent it ever worked at all. The profile is similar with other jabs, antibody titres drop and with subsequent boosters they don't rise as much and don't last as long. This seems like a characteristic of Th2 response based immunity, and is not a matter of vaccine platform so much.

Q3) Is it even necessary?
Answer: No. Better methods have been known since the 1920's, they were just ignored, buried, or otherwise wiped out. Vaccination has mostly stolen the credit the belongs to civil engineering, sanitation, and other practices. Vaccination causes disease, not the inverse.

Your "which would you prefer" is known as Ericksonian hypnosis. You repeatedly posit malformed and leading questions/statements with the embedded assumption that their axioms are already a given. This is to put you in the moment and then react based on it being true. It's hypnosis, plain and simple. Now that being said, don't take this the wrong way. You yourself are very likely not a witting hypnotist, more likely this is just your unconscious mind repeating what was done to you onto others. I interpret this as it knowing it doesn't add up and signaling for help from the group. I am here to help. It's that simple.
Anonymous No.16752869 [Report] >>16752954
>>16752846
>Q1) What is the definition of safe and effective?
Why is this relevant, nobody made any claims regarding safety or effectiveness.

>Q2) Does the vaccine even work?
Please compile all of the existing literature into a literature review. Recall it is not enough to consult one or two sources, but it is necessary to consult all of them.

>Better methods have been known since the 1920's
What are they, please compile the exosting literate into a comprehensive review.

I'll see in three years, when you're done with your homework.
Anonymous No.16752931 [Report] >>16752942
>>16752818
If you don't know what the long terms effects are you can't say it's less dangerous than the disease. Also some vaccines just don't make sense or at least the way they are administrated, for example there is no reason to jab a healthy child in a first world country with the Hep-C vaccine on the first day it was born. They usually test the mother and if she doesn't have it it just seems unreasonable and doesn't outweigh the potential danger.
Anonymous No.16752942 [Report] >>16752955
>>16752931
If the effect of the disease is death, long term harm is a favorable outcome.
If the likelihood of long term harm due to the disease (and the severity thereof) is significantly higher than through vaccination, vaccination is favorable.
Anonymous No.16752954 [Report] >>16753007
>>16752869
>What are they, please compile the exosting literate into a comprehensive review.
Nope. Already did that once in another area. It was all a trick and confirmed what I'd long suspected. You people won't even read it. It's all a game.

Maybe I get around to it, maybe not. Either way it'll have zero to do with you and your anything.
Anonymous No.16752955 [Report] >>16753004
>>16752942
You are assuming vaccines couldn't be made with different more safe ingredients. That's what everyone is asking.

Also there should be a comprehensive study comparing non vaccinated and vaccinated populations which for some reason nobody has ever done in the history of the CDC.

https://icandecide.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/2020_08_03-20-02002-Final-Response-No-Records1.pdf
Anonymous No.16753004 [Report] >>16753006 >>16753012
>>16752955
>You are assuming vaccines couldn't be made with different more safe ingredients.
Sure, that may be. But that's not a counterargument to the fundamental problem at hand. Which is "vaccine or no vaccine?"

Before I don't get a concession from you om that we can't really move forward.
How do you feel about rabies?
Anonymous No.16753006 [Report] >>16753008
>>16753004
>How do you feel about rabies?
Curable by large intraveous injections of sodium ascorbate. Known 70 years ago.

Next.
Anonymous No.16753007 [Report] >>16753011
>>16752954
The point is that if you point at individual studies, you can claim anything you want. You have to review ALL of the literature to make a comprehensive claim counter to the state of the art.
Anonymous No.16753008 [Report] >>16753011
>>16753006
Would you stake your life on this claim or would you prefer the vaccine?
Be honest here.

Keep in mind that there is a single reported survivor of a rabies infection. Just one.
Anonymous No.16753011 [Report] >>16753013
>>16753007
Which I did. That's how I know it's systematic fraud. All they want is arbitrary access to people's bodies for injections delivered in key developmental windows, that's it. It causes degenerative diseases, makes them more money, and keeps the population weakened and therefore more compliant. Maim and drain is the name of the game.

>>16753008
I would not take a vaccine under any circumstances. So yes.
Anonymous No.16753012 [Report]
>>16753004
rabies is not even in the cdc schedule
Anonymous No.16753013 [Report] >>16753022
>>16753011
>Which I did.
may I see it?
Anonymous No.16753022 [Report] >>16753082
>>16753013
No. This was over 10 years ago. As I told you before, it's a component of a much larger project. Its construction would be spurred by you, but ultimately has nothing to do with you or the timetable of our interaction.
Anonymous No.16753082 [Report] >>16753084
>>16753022
so it doesn't exist. Besides, in the past 10 years a lot of literature was published on the subject.
Anonymous No.16753084 [Report] >>16753187
>>16753082
It doesn't change the fundamentals. That shit is just details, which I keep track of to an extent.

>so it doesn't exist
That's not a very compelling reply to someone turning down your "give me everything on a silver platter right now" demand.
Anonymous No.16753187 [Report] >>16753193 >>16753203
>>16753084
>It doesn't change the fundamentals.
So what are the fundamentals? Do you think there is a 200 year long conspiracy going on?
For what purpose? Why did nobody find out?
Anonymous No.16753193 [Report] >>16753198
>>16753187
>So what are the fundamentals? Do you think there is a 200 year long conspiracy going on?
Kind of. I think initially it probably had a core of good faith, these people intended to build a better world and solve the problems of their day. There was an unseen superstructure guiding them and opportunistically make use of what they came up with even then, but by the 1930's or so it was fully bullshit. And many physicians wrote about. Every era has a certain nunber wake up to the scams and write about it, and this cycle repeats ovr and over.

>For what purpose?
I told you. Maim and drain is the name of the game. Humans are just honeybees, they only need to make the honey and do what they're told. Like livestock that build and maintain their own fences because the farmer convinced them they're safe and free that way. The more you maim them, the more dependent they become. They return for more treatment, and you poison them even more. Sick or weakened animals are more susceptible to group conformity impulses, this allows you to do soft eugenics and "quietly prune the tree of life". When people are weakened they stick closer to the herd, and are more suggestible. This makes large populations easier to control. You keep them functioning well enough to do work and pay in, but not so much that they can go off and do their own thing.

Ancient formula. Pretty straightforward. Polypharmacy is a demonstrable reality. People keep going back due to early childhood conditioning and the mindset you seem to have. When in reality the system is incapable of helping them. And the doctors staffing it were put through a sort of trauma based initation ritual. Plus debt and sunk costs.

The rest writes itself. If you can't see it there's not much else to be said.
Anonymous No.16753198 [Report] >>16753202
>>16753193
You have fundamentally flawed historiography, because the sort of thinking you employ is largely unfeasible, especially with this level of secrecy in those times. You view the past as "the present, but different" and you back-project your thinking about the current world.
This is rhe likely origin point of your beliefs.

This is flawed, because the world of 100 years ago was drastically different from today, let alone the world of 200 years ago.
Anonymous No.16753202 [Report] >>16753211
>>16753198
There's nothing to respond to in your reply.
Anonymous No.16753203 [Report] >>16753206 >>16753210 >>16753214
>>16753187
Industry Payments to US Physicians by Specialty and Product Type
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2816900


Payments by Drug and Medical Device Manufacturers to US Peer Reviewers of Major Medical Journals
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2824834


Industry-Sponsored Clinical Research
A Broken System
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/182478


Medical Journals Are an Extension of the Marketing Arm of Pharmaceutical Companies
https://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/journal.pmed.0020138

Medical journals and pharmaceutical companies: uneasy bedfellows
https://www.bmj.com/content/326/7400/1202

Pharmaceutical company advertising in The Lancet
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(11)61019-2/fulltext

Key opinion leaders in psychiatry: A conflicted pathway to career advancement
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0004867412446494
Anonymous No.16753206 [Report] >>16753224 >>16753246
>>16753203
>Medical Journals Are an Extension of the Marketing Arm of Pharmaceutical Companies
And have been since the 1930's.
http://whale.to/b/mullins31.html
Anonymous No.16753210 [Report]
>>16753203
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16866722/
Anonymous No.16753211 [Report] >>16753214 >>16753215
>>16753202
Yes, because placing the start of your schizo bullshit in the 1930s doesn't make sense from a historic perpsective, due to the limitations and attitudes of the times and you know this.
You misspoke and your argument is indefensible.

The problem with conspiracy like this are the logistics and the difficulty of transferring information secretly, especially in those times. It's just too big, everyone would likely at least know someone who knows someone who knows the truth. There's too many potential leaks here. It doesn't work.

But I acknowledge that conspiratorial thinking is a mental illness and a coping mechanism. So what are you really afraid of?
Anonymous No.16753214 [Report] >>16753219
>>16753211
"conspiracies">>16753203
Anonymous No.16753215 [Report] >>16753217
>>16753211
You're just showing your own ignorance.... aggressively. Ciphers go back thousands of years. Symbolic languages as well. Propagation of information in plain sight is not difficult to begin with, however you also have shared motives among groups, making them lateral organizers and standalone units.

>There's too many potential leaks here. It doesn't work.
I just told you the truth repeatedly and you refused to acknowledge it. There are familiesout there with multigenerational sexual abuse and the family knows and keeps quiet. So, yeah. You're retarded and projecting on me.

End of conversation.
Anonymous No.16753217 [Report] >>16753221
>>16753215
I think you don't understand how much ciphers used to suck and how easy they were to break prior to Enigma and computational methods. There's a reason the Americans used Code-Talkers instead.

>Propagation of information in plain sight is not difficult to begin with, however you also have shared motives among groups, making them lateral organizers and standalone units.
It is extremely difficult to coordinate without a trace.

>I just told you the truth repeatedly and you refused to acknowledge it.
But why would I believe you? You are nothing. Of course I don't take your word at face value, you're just a schizo.
Anonymous No.16753219 [Report] >>16753224 >>16753228
>>16753214
So where im this pile of nonsese can we find "From 1930 onwards, Vaccines existed only to make people weak and steal their money". That's the claim.
Anonymous No.16753221 [Report] >>16753232
>>16753217
>I think you don't understand how much ciphers used to suck and how easy they were to break
Nah, you're not thinking. You're just reacting. Pure bad faith. This is the dumbest thing you could have said. Try to lay out gematria to anyone and get back to me. You don't need a complexic cryptographic scheme because the signals are steganographic. And even if someone does notice, it doesn't matter anyway.

>It is extremely difficult to coordinate without a trace.
For you.

>But why would I believe you? You are nothing. Of course I don't take your word at face value, you're just a schizo.
There you have it. The mask comes off. Complete with "why would I believe you" follower mentality signaling. You can't do anything on your own. You're a dimwitted little shitpile meant to be stuffed in a box somewhere and used for some linear task until you're replaced. Maybe a factory assemblyline, lab technician, something like that.
Anonymous No.16753224 [Report] >>16753229
>>16753219
>>16753206
Anonymous No.16753228 [Report] >>16753235 >>16753237
>>16753219
>im this pile of nonsese
You can't be serious. I've linked articles only from the leading medical journals. If you think "The Lancet" and "BMJ" are "schizo conspiracy" tier I don't think we can continue this conversation.
Anonymous No.16753229 [Report] >>16753231 >>16753237 >>16753246
>>16753224
does this prove that vaccines are used for population control, I don't think it says anything about that in there, but maybe I misread?
Anonymous No.16753231 [Report] >>16753233
>>16753229
Read this>>16738977
Anonymous No.16753232 [Report] >>16753237
>>16753221
>You don't need a complexic cryptographic scheme because the signals are steganographic
But even in steganography, you need consensus, you need to transfer the key to find the message.
This is a well-known problem in cryptography, Emigma was cracked based on that knowledge and it was only really solved with the advent of asymmetric cryptography.

>For you.
For everyone.

>The mask comes off.
You are a 4chan shitposter, why would I respect you? Where do you think you are?
If you want to be taken seriously, use a serious website, if they'll have you.
Anonymous No.16753233 [Report] >>16753238
>>16753231
it says 1992, not 1930 on that.
Anonymous No.16753235 [Report] >>16753240
>>16753228
answer the question, don't run from it.
Where can we find "From 1930 onwards, Vaccines existed only to make people weak and steal their money"?
Anonymous No.16753237 [Report] >>16753239 >>16753244
>>16753228
This is what you always get with these people. They're designed to waste your time and energy while pushing the thread to to the bump limit. Seen it 100s of times over the last decade. You give them evidence and they won't engage with it, they just demand you use more time responding to their endless inane questions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning
Notice how he tried to get me to do a complete review of the literature and give it to him, above, That's the level of filth you're dealing with. These people know their target personality type and exploit it. "Win me over, or else i no buhleeve u!!!!" Fuck off lazy cunt.

>>16753229
Beta-hcg loaded tetanus toxoid, deployed in kenya. HPV vaccine premature ovarian failure. Covid jab miscarriages.

>>16753232
>But even in steganography, you need consensus, you need to transfer the key to find the message.
This is stupid. Shut up and think. Stop responding.

>You are a 4chan shitposter, why would I respect you? Where do you think you are?
>If you want to be taken seriously, use a serious website, if they'll have you.
Mask off moment.

People like this are profane, swine. They should be left to eat from the trough in the dark.
Anonymous No.16753238 [Report] >>16753246
>>16753233
This retarded bot can't even track who's responding. It's a bot. It think we're the same poster.

I'm tellin you, grow out of responding to these things as soon as possible.
Anonymous No.16753239 [Report] >>16753241
>>16753237
>Beta-hcg loaded tetanus toxoid, deployed in kenya. HPV vaccine premature ovarian failure. Covid jab miscarriages.
I am referring to the specific publication, where does it say any of that in that publication?
Anonymous No.16753240 [Report] >>16753246
>>16753235
I'm not the same anon you are arguing with about the 1930's
Anonymous No.16753241 [Report] >>16753246
>>16753239
Shut the fuck up.
You are deemed retarded.
Not worth engaging with.
Not even for an audience that might learn what your stupid little brain cannot.
Anonymous No.16753244 [Report] >>16753245
>>16753237
>This is stupid. Shut up and think.
No it's not. If I send you a secret message in a microdot, then you need to know which dot it is, especially if I also send lots of messages without microdots. I need to have a way to tell you where the message is, if I send it the same way every time, all messages I ever sent are vulnerable to attack. I have to change it every time.
This means I need to communcate the key to you in some fashion, which is likely at least partially plaintext or more vulnerable towards attacks.

>Mask off moment.
What, that I am funposting on the esteemed 4chan science board? Yeah, consider my mask thoroughly removed.
Anonymous No.16753245 [Report] >>16753247
>>16753244
>No it's not. If I send you a secret message in a microdot, then you need to know which dot it is, especially if I also send lots of messages without microdots.
Again, you're ignorant. You reply without thinking and don't even fully comprehend the replies you get. Your entire presence is "see thing, latch on, react". Or more accurately "see thing, figure out way to say nuh uh". It's stupid and you're not worth interacting with, in fact I've already told you too much. Dumb creatures like you need to be kept out.

>What, that I am funposting on the esteemed 4chan science board? Yeah, consider my mask thoroughly removed.
Mask off continues.
Anonymous No.16753246 [Report] >>16753248 >>16753250
>>16753240
But you are arguing about that.
You responded to >>16753229, which is asking if the publication referenced in >>16753206 says anything about "vaccines being used for population control in the 1930s".

>>16753241
you seem frustrated, why are you angry?

>>16753238
I think you are the one who is confused.
Anonymous No.16753247 [Report] >>16753248
>>16753245
how do you send a secret message without asymmetrical encryption?
Anonymous No.16753248 [Report] >>16753251
>>16753246
>you seem frustrated, why are you angry?
Fool, I just told you.
>Seen it 100s of times over the last decade. You give them evidence and they won't engage with it, they just demand you use more time responding to their endless inane questions.
I've played this little game before. I don't consider these things to be human.

>>16753247
Midwit NPC.
Anonymous No.16753250 [Report] >>16753254
>>16753246
I don't know about the 1930's, I'm just showing you that these people have always wanted to regulate fertility. I'm just showing you an example of that kind of thinking.

What I linked was a gathering by the WHO to discuss Fertility Regulating Vaccines - don't you think that's relative to the matter?
Anonymous No.16753251 [Report] >>16753253
>>16753248
Why can't you tell how to send a secret message with 1930s technology?
Anonymous No.16753253 [Report] >>16753255
>>16753251
Why would I? Look at you. Your mind hasn't advanced to the level where you *should* have such things available to you.
Anonymous No.16753254 [Report] >>16753256 >>16753257 >>16753257
>>16753250
>always
No, apparently since 1992. But why would anyone want to regulate fertility? Low fertility is a universally bad thing, with exclusively negative consequences.
Anonymous No.16753255 [Report] >>16753257
>>16753253
You seem very emotional. Why are you so mad about losing a shitposting argument?
You don't actually believe anything you say, do you?
Anonymous No.16753256 [Report]
>>16753254
>Low fertility is a universally bad thing, with exclusively negative consequences.
>But why would anyone want to regulate fertility?

Yeah why is that?
Anonymous No.16753257 [Report] >>16753259
>>16753254
>>16753254
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics_Record_Office
HMMMM.....

And you know... huh.... royalty in Europe all intermarried with each other only. Outside "Stock" was only brought in with great care. Isn't that weird, people learned from breeding animals... huh...

>>16753255
I do. You should be kept in the dark. Maybe one day you'll inherit a world you only partially deserve. For now your conscious is neither necessary nor desireable.
Anonymous No.16753259 [Report] >>16753261 >>16753637
>>16753257
Well, good luck with your rabies infection, buddy.
Anonymous No.16753261 [Report]
>>16753259
This is the level of consciousness we're dealing with. Think about what sort of mind would output that type of "comeback". It's retarded on every level.

These people are only here to waste your time. Be warned.
Anonymous No.16753637 [Report] >>16753758
>>16753259
Rabies is not even in the schedule
Anonymous No.16753739 [Report]
>>16732557 (OP)
Of curse is true, otherwise those trials would hurt Big Pharma's profits.
>>16732754
Retard take.
Anonymous No.16753758 [Report]
>>16753637
No, but it is a disease that 100%, no matter what kills you unless you get vaccinated and it is not unlikely to get it.