Thread 16736471

Math just makes generating pretty pictures easier.

>>16736471 (OP)
He never said that.

>>16736566
https://youtu.be/GY6fb59XFbQ?t=5541

so... he noticed that math just follows from assumptions of things that don't necessarily have anything to do with anything concrete and thought that was 2deep4u knowledge?

>>16736471 (OP)
pure mathematics is fine when its at least really cool. like most of underggrad maths is either really cool or has applications. research mathematics including fields medal work is 99% incredibly boring and stupid nonsense that exists mainly to make publication count go up, and yes the sheer obscurity is camouflage for the "swindle" as Ted calls it

>>16736596
He noticed that mathematics has undergone a Baudrillardian collapse of its meaning and became a pure simulation that lives on solely through self-referential system. An "axiom" does not mean to the modern mathematician what it meant to Euclid.

>>16736600
No, you are just mentally inept.

>>16736602
People realized a long time ago that they didn't need to be bounded by trying to describe reality, it's not anything new except to people who only studied basic math in school.

>>16736610
Thanks for sharing your very deep high-school thoughts.

>>16736612
The way he describes it is that it seems he was the one who got swindled.
It's like he went to study language when he wanted literature. Everyone who goes to study math above school level knows it's just the study of symbols.

>>16736624
Everyone who indulges it is getting swindled. Not everyone gains clarity.

>>16736626
No one indulges math outside of a few fields. The most people hear about it is difficult problems that aren't solved in the same way they would learn about some difficult puzzle. Mathematicians don't say how important those problems are for the real world when presenting them, because most aren't, no one is getting swindled.

The most that happens is reporters misunderstanding something and overhyping it like they do with any other field, and that isn't swindling.

>>16736633
Might as well spend your life speedrunning Pokemon or collecting Lego sets or something, but I guarantee you that every math student thinks he's doing something profound and important. They'll say "yeah, of course I know it's a purely abstract and self-contained symbol shuffling" but they don't understand the meaning of this statement. They're just oblivious to meaning in general.

>>16736638
Most math students study math because they think it's fun, not because they think it's important, just like speedrunning Pokemon or collecting Lego sets.

>>16736649
Most math students think they're uncovering the secrets of the fabric of reality and that one day their autistic number theory paper is gonna be used to unify physics or some shit.

>>16736662
I don't think so. This sounds more like something people in theoretical physics would think than people who study math.

>>16736471 (OP)
>it's abstract, so it has no meaning
This just isn't true? Mathematical proofs at a high level can change your beliefs about concrete phenomena. For instance, you can ask if summing the reciprocals of primes will ever get you above the number 1 million after some long period of time, and the answer is "yes" because of what would be considered a relatively obscure proof of number theory that uses series convergence criteria. It's actually a clear cut thing that makes you change your mind about a thing that can actually be implemented that uses abstract mathematics. There are unbounded other examples with even more abstract mathematics.

>>16736610
if masses realize all this bullshit is not bounded by reality it's going to be difficult to keep them paying taxes for it doe. it is a swindle alright, through and through.

>>16736954
that's not what he's saying.

>>16736471 (OP)
>the luddite terrorist is an anti-platonist
like pottery

>>16737300
>intelligent man rejects pederast slaveholder mystical fantasies that have nothing whatsoever to do with reality

>>16737292
They pay taxes on it because those people teach others who go into less pure fields and help them optimize their work. Also because of the off chance anything might produce results in the far future, and also because a country who can crack more difficult puzzles is more prestigious.

The people who grant the money to them are informed of that, so there is no swindle either.

>>16737413
so real work application.

you're midwit who pretends to understand what he's talking about and weave back and forth using rhetoric when pressed.

>>16737455
It can end up with real world application, but they can teach others who go into a less pure field that are still theoretical.

>>16737292
Exactly. All those dozens of dollars coming out of people's pockets is being wasted on pure math, when we could instead be spending it on improved Israeli weapons.

>>16736471 (OP)
>if we ignore their meanings they have no meanings
wooooooow this is the power of glow nigger philosophy

>>16737326
>intelligent man
My sides

>reality
Dogmatic realism is a dead 17th century meme, lrn2quantummechanics