Thread 16750214

New Superheavy fins - edition

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Member Musk’s Melty?

>>16750214 (OP)
You can make a large waffle with two of these

https://x.com/wapodavenport/status/1955682241595793737
>Big day for an author when the first edition of your book arrives in the mail. I hope you all will consider pre-ordering a copy (or two or three; it’ll make a great gift!). There are lots of great insights into SpaceX, Blue Origin and NASA. Many thanks!

>The new method detects a unique sequence of atoms that bind the constituent molecules of the external membranes of living bacteria and eukarya cells. These constitute the vast majority of biological matter on Earth and include the kinds of lifeforms the scientists would also expect to find beyond our planet.

Yay!

>Once an organism dies, its IPL bonds disintegrate within hours, after which time they can no longer be detected, and a spike no longer appears in the instrument readout.

Boo!

So, you need lots of life to have a chance of seeing any alive. In which case, you probably can tell there's life already. Barring that, maybe a rover can zap rock patina and take a whiff.

>>16750214 (OP)
gridular

>One intriguing case emerged, an uncatalogued object moving much faster than typical asteroids and not found in any existing space object databases. Sadly however, the team was unable to confirm what it was, so it still remains a mystery.

"To Serve Man"

>>16750246

Just plant a flag in the damn thing and grow some potatoes. Fuck sake! It failed to persist if there was any. And if deep strata still hold bacteria that would be pretty funny but let us get this straight. Drop some engineered biota on the damn rustheap. Doable, viable, long term project. So what. No failed biosphere shall infringe on our manifest destiny. Our damn bloody duty to carry Gaia´s children to the stars ...

4 astronauts on average generate two full large garbage bins worth of waste a week. And recently the Station has seen larger and larger crew sizes. On Earth you can just send it down to burn along with with the expendable supply crafts that routinely come and go. But what is to be done on an inevitable growing Martian colony? I'm not spending money sending trash back up the gravity well. We could burn it? Or make an extra vehicular landfill out in the open, throwing raw human waste and foodscraps and bio-ridden trash juice into the raw virgin regolith... I think any living organism would eventually die in that pile exposed to raw mother martian nature.
Could we collect and condense Methane off of that pile, with a large enough colony size? There's going to be an almost unfathomably large amount of waste

>>16750336
Probably start with being from a nation with a space program.

>>16750336
Probably recycle it all for the carbon content for steel

>>16750336
Toss it into the Mariner Valley

>>16750336
Supercritical Water Oxidation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercritical_water_oxidation

>>16750329
Gonna laugh if the 3-fin booster makes it break up during return because of the asymmetrical load

>>16750065
The uptick (~7 launches in 30 days if everything goes as planned) is caused by
>"older" ( a few years old already) launcher achieving a regular cadence (monthly for CZ-6A, trimestrial for CZ-5B)
>backlog effect from newer launchers (CZ-8A, CZ-12, ZQ-2E) which were initially planned for H1 2025 but got delayed by technical issues
>New satellites manufacturers (CAS-SECM and Galaxy space) starting to mass-produce their version/license-made guowang

I think it'll stabilize at 2-3 guowang launches a month for the rest of the year/start of 2026 with their current selection of expendable launchers, possibly more if they start using their hypergolic launchers as supplement, the real increase will come from RLV, and Landspace is contracted to launch Guowang on their 2nd or 3rd Zhuque-3 hopefully in H1 2026

>>16750364
Anon I think you have a very poor understanding of the forces that Boosters are subjected to.

>>16750379
Any webms of the booster separation?

>>16750380
No source-quality videos of that part posted yet it seems, just the little 720p stream

>>16750386
This is such a good color palette, the blues mix well with the oranges

>>16750392
Yeah many such cases

>>16750392
WTF? NOW I'M SEEING THAT EVERYWHERE!

>>16750392
It looks like ass in most of those THOUGH

>>16750219
This is the gayest and lamest threadly post I've ever seen on /sfg/. The "fuck you" guy is better.

>>16750420
Go back

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44885821
https://astrobites.org/2025/08/12/starlink-ska-low/
>Nearly 1 in 3 Starlink satellites detected within the SKA-Low frequency band
Starlink causing problems again

>>16750435
>Australian Radio Astronomers

The guys that think the microwave in the break room is transmitting signals from outer space. Let's listen to them ever again.

>>16750329
What’s going on with the ass end of SH near the engines? Black shielding? Why is it shaped the way that it is

Do we have any planned missions that require megawatt class nuclear electric propulsion?

>Well, no but...

Request Denied.

>>16750522
Jared gets to spend the rest of his life penning op-eds about how we should be exploring space and fighting the eternal blackpill of our leaders going any direction but forward

>>16750524
Now you know how Cryptkeeper Bill came into being

>>16750420
stop forward

They would've caught a ship months ago if V2 wasn't such a piece of shit.

Donald, First of His Name: King of Terra, Luna, Mars and the Outlying Asteroids.

braap

Ars commenters taking the Trump Space News about like you'd expect.

>>16747694
>>16748055
and then Trump wiped the fucking CAHSR budget

>>16750163
do you... not want a future where humanity throws entire space stations into orbit on the cheap every three to six months?

>>16750572
ars commenters are legitimately subhuman, find me even two counterexamples

>>16750581
>ars commenters are legitimately subhuman, find me even two counterexamples

>>16750585
Interim appointments are limited to one year. Eric should know that.

https://x.com/WhiteHouse/status/1955771965597245465

Sounds like red tape is getting cut (maybe)

https://x.com/Gwynne_Shotwell/status/1955809048659681686
>The commercial space industry is a great example of American innovation, an inspiration to the public and critical to supporting @NASA, national defense and our economy. Thank you again for this decisive action to streamline regulations and unleash our industry!

>>16750585
that's one and also that's staff (but point taken)

>>16750625
The quotes, retard

>>16750637
... why would a guy asking questions and someone unironically using the phrase "first felon" be proof positive of non-subhumanity

The least productive employees each month are dropped onto grid fins, cirque du freak vampire execution style

beetle uprising soon bros

LEDs on each Starlink that powered on at fairing sep, that's new

>>16750644
That's neat.
Thank you for still being autistic enough to watch starlink launches. Someone's gotta do it.

>>16750435
First comment is literally that it isn't regulated spectrum and astronomers are misquoted as saying it's theirs

>>16750640
Gives me flashbacks to hiking on Maui. Volcanic rocks look and feel just like that

>>16750612
Is this that environmental thing they already announced? Probably just saying commercial space is getting military latitude with rules because they do military launches now

>>16750683
It was a bunch of things but that as well

>>16750679
>SKAO acknowledge the Wajarri Yamaji as Traditional Owners and Native Title Holders of Inyarrimanha Ilgari Bundara, our Murchison Radio-astronomy Observatory site.

Then why don't you ask the Abbos to have their magic Snake Gods do something about your problems. Why bother us?

No one takes Australia seriously.

Science!

https://x.com/NASASpaceflight/status/1955854605549457629

Two more weeks

>>16750476
Nope. Sorry to destroy your meme, but from the moment they were published people knew "perytons" were terrestrial. The paper was literally titled "Radio Bursts with Extragalactic Spectral Characteristics Show Terrestrial Origins". They didn't know where they came from, but that wasn't important to the point they were making.

Also the same Australian radio telescope (Parkes, seen in the Dish) was used to discover Fast Radio Bursts. Which are not interference, and are the biggest discovery in radio astronomy since pulsars in the 60's. Totally missed by the US VLA, Arecibo and Green Bank, discovered by a British astronomer and some old data from Parkes.

>>16750711
>Discovering Microwave Ovens emit microwaves was the greatest moment in Australian Science!

No one takes Australia or Australians seriously. To be honest, we haven't even thought about you since Olivia Newton John died.

>>16750711
>Parkes, seen in the Dish
I have never, and will never, waste my time watching an A*stralian movie.

>Booster is the only part miraculously working as expected
>Gets unfathomably complex design change
Bold move, hope it works

>>16750704
This observatory will find aliens.

>>16750727
they had a lot of previous experience

>>16750727
>Booster is the only part miraculously working as expected
Presently not fully or rapidly reusable :)

Starlink has new plan, $5/m, unlimited 450kbps speed. Global. This is the best data plan in the world right now. You're always connected to the internet @ dsl speed. Poorfags who need internet only for basic stuff, people who want only basic internet for google voice calling or text message sending with whatsapp or chatting using IRC or emails or something. Basically perfect internet for basic internet user.

>>16750753
All they need to do is shrink the Starlink Mini to half its size and call it "Starlink IoT" a palm sized Starlink that uses that plan. It doesnt need to have the best connection or the highest speed, but if they can sell it for $100 or $50, thats basically a replacement for phone lines right there.

>>16750753
pfft, i'll pass

>>16750753
>still advertising shartlink
he does it for free.

>>16750640
If they had proper flame trenches, they wouldn't need to make a mess on the grid fins that need to be cleaned off.

>>16750763
>he doesnt use Starlink
>2025

>>16750329
I thought Starship was supposed to solve this kind of mass autism

China is on the verge of collapsing, soon their launch rate will completely dry up as the money runs out

>>16750763
and what is the problem?

chances of blue actually sending that mars orbiter to mars?

>>16750756
they meed to shrink starlink to child size and call it starlink ToT

>>16750778
uou

>>16750778
uooooh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7gYMNvT9Lw
Good morning everyone, time for more Starlink
T-20:00

will you guys go work on spacex building rockets now that places where mexicans work are being raided by ICE?

>>16750785
But who will cut the space grass

>>16750785
i only pay attention to spaceflight as a hobby. i dont want to work in the industry.

>>16750784
https://x.com/i/broadcasts/1OwxWeavbAeGQ
T-4:00

>>16750771
It's not mass autism
It's part reduction autism
>why use 4 fins when 3 can work
>why have structural catch pins when you have grid fins
>why have a shitload of engine shielding when the engines shield themselves
>why have engine bay fire suppression when the leaks put out themselves

>>16750774
This but entirely unironically. American eternity.

>>16750765
Are the fleming books worth the read?

>>16750214 (OP)
SPEHS SEGS

>>16750824
what is he holding in his mouth?

>>16750834
death

>>16750842
hope he likes the taste then

>>16750834
benis

>>16750834
laser pointer for distracting f-14 tomcats

>>16750824
SPACE BORNE LASERS, NOW. Fun fact, Tory also worked on ABL.

how many weeks is musk going to keep spamming grok? I think its day 3 now or something of this non-stop

https://strawpoll.com/e7ZJaR15vg3

>>16750834
>GENTLEMEN

>>16750824
This stupid laser plane could be instantly destroyed by any hardened target on the ground. Don't they know, a laser of that power in the atmosphere opens an ionized, conductive channel DIRECTLY between the two warring parties. This is relevant to rocketry because it can trigger semi-natural lightning strikes, but it can also be used to counterattack the very laser that stupidly decided to open a conductive channel with a more powerful foe. A ground target just needs to respond in kind, microseconds later with a fatal return stroke of artificial lightning, and it will target itself. Similar to the video here but simply following the beam. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lix-vr_AF38
This is why you don't point lasers at planes, this reveals your location instantaneously for destruction.

oh sweet, more /sfg/ schizobabble.

>>16750849
bazinga

>>16750891
chinese bros, your response?

>>16750869
this is the power of educating a dude, then where the magic happens, the dude does whatever the fuck he wants with that autism. this would be recipe for a new world

Pretty obvious Venus application.

>>16750771
Anon that is not mass autism.

>>16750869
>picture of a tesla coil

>>16750298
Based post but cringe tripfag

>>16750336
Are you retarded? You have an entire wasteland of a planet with the same land area as Earth to dump your garbage on. Why would this ever be a problem unless you are some weird ass liberal who thinks any form of waste is heckin evil and we need to go back to living in caves eating berries and nuts.

NGL, V3 just looks soulless. I mean, I thought V2 looked off but V3 looks like a chink clone. V1 was the peak of Starship.

>>16750901
>the 'ignorosphere', a layer of ultra-thin air that has largely escaped exploration by balloons, aircraft and satellites.
AKA sounding rocket turf. All others keep out!

>>16750915
Starship has never looked good at all. Looks slapped together and improvised, which it is. Compare it to the Shuttle Orbiter. Say what you want about it's actual ability as a launch vehicle, but every single proportion and shape on the orbiter was absolute perfection. It's like looking at a spiral galaxy.

>>16750219
which one?

>>16750915
V4, trust the plan

>>16750915
Your lack of taste is duly noted.

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1956008260038754799

the new fins are steel

>>16750854
ULA snipers.. with lasers

>>16750915
no, this looks the best it has until now
on super heavy the lack of heatshield on the bottom, the three heptagon grid fins give it some character instead of just being a boring steel tube
v3 starship looks maybe a bit shittier than v2 or v1

>>16750946
Looks like the Elon clown still has his steel fetish. Prepare to watch gridfins warp and melt after every flight.

>>16750946
>From the moment I understood the weakness of titanium, it disgusted me. I craved the strength and certainty of steel.

>>16750915
all aesthetics were thrown out the window the second ITS was abandoned

>>16750929
>every single proportion and shape on the orbiter was absolute perfection
wrong. it’s way to boxy.

>>16750964
>it’s way to boxy.
It's sturdy, just the way a spaceplane should be. Spaceplanes should not have giant wings or look like fighter aircraft.

>>16750975
Take me back.

>>16750568
>become a political appointee
lol?

>>16750987
getting a bit sad now

>>16750987
>on the moon
>moon in background
why does he post these? grok never gets the prompt right. it’s embarrassing.

I sure wish there were a lot more erect penises in spaceflight.

>>16750966
>not cleaning the poo stains

>>16751009
you have to write lunar surface and not mention the moon at all in these gens, rookie mistake

>>16751013
It's like how if you want a tech priest you can't mention 40k or it'll stick pauldrons and skulls on everything in sight

>>16751023
yeah and if you put star wars anywhere in yourprompt=instant darth vader and r2d2 patterns

Orbital Test Vehicle 8 (OTV-8), also referred to as United States Space Force-36 (USSF-36) , is the fourth flight of the first Boeing X-37B, an American unmanned vertical-takeoff, horizontal-landing spaceplane. It will be launched to a Low Earth aboard a Falcon 9 Block 5 rocket (for the first time) from LC-39A on August 21, 2025.[2]

>will be launched to a Low Earth aboard a Falcon 9 Block 5 rocket (for the first time)

wait what

>>16751052
vehicle 1 has only launched on atlas
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_X-37#Operational_history

>>16751052
This is the first time it is riding on a Block 5, not really worth mentioning but the intern writing it needed to pad the word count.

The fuck?

https://www.independent.co.uk/space/spacex-starship-launch-mars-musk-b2807698.html

>SpaceX redesigns Starship to get Mars-bound rocket to stop exploding

wow, you don't hate journos enough

>>16751082
yeah, China is deciding to suddenly yeet all their constellations up suddenly. There were three others just last week.
Or if you were reacting to all the "Unknown"s, China rarely announces payloads in advance any more, except for crewed or resupply missions.

https://spacenews.com/impulse-space-sees-strong-demand-for-geo-rideshare-program/

>That GEO rideshare service, which Impulse Space recently named Caravan, will involve an annual series of dedicated Falcon 9 launches of Helios, currently planned for the third quarter of each year. The first mission, Caravan 1, is scheduled for the third quarter of 2026 and is fully booked. Caravan 2 will follow in 2027 and Caravan 3 in 2028.

>>16751095
Neat, I love seeing all the different little payloads on Rideshare flights.

>>16750987
Elo(fu)n M(eme)usk is THE MEME KING!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVqJMkZrdJk

>>16751147
fueme?

https://x.com/NASASpaceflight/status/1956095819234599427
>tarship Flight 10: SQR stand is being removed from Pad 1 as work continues to demod the OLM back to its full stack configuration.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhJRzQsLZGg

>>16751247
https://x.com/NASASpaceflight/status/1956099119682027851
>I'd say late August to early September is the target window right now. But the 22nd is probably too soon.
>Remember, the SQR coming off is not as much work as sorting out all that hardware on the BQD hood that needs to come off.

>>16751137
Imagine if they used 3 Raptors instead of 2 BE-4s + 0,2,4,6 SRBs...

>>16751297
You could fit 4 Raptors under a Vulcan and double it's thrust.

>>16751297
you could mount srbs on Vulcan to keep Northrop Grumman engineers employed

>>16751297
>>16751301
They use two engines because the Vulcan core has to go all the way to orbit for Centaur to work. Using too many engines would use up the propellent too quickly. Also why Atlas V uses one engine.

>>16751305
these clowns dont know what a sustainer stage is. they've only played ksp.

>>16751335
sustainer = gay and weak

the hands were a constraint, not a blessing.

bow to the superior brain.

https://x.com/StarshipGazer/status/1956115617397797006
>The Starship launch mount static fire adapter has been removed from pad 1 today allowing Starship test flight 10 preparations to progress at the pad.

>>16751009
I posted about AI having this problem 1 year ago. If 'lon browsed /sfg/ several problems would be solved

>>16751305
>the Vulcan core has to go all the way to orbit for Centaur to work

Centaur does not need to be delivered to LEO to work, ULA does sustainer cores because 1) they optimize for high energy orbits and 2) they don't know how to do any other architecture.

>>16751356
What? An onion article that’s actually funny in the big ‘25???
Kek

>>16751356
>>16751358
Remember that account “the orbit” or whatever? What did he get banned for, I can’t remember. It was right when musk acquired twitter and the dude went and made a funny musk meme and got axed

I think about this graph a lot..

>>16751378
there are like 100 of these. who are they even for? do these end up in a folder on select senator's desks or something?

>>16750854
Starlink lasers work with thousands of sats

>>16751356
>standard commie slop

How are all these rocket companies going to cope with Starship and space tugs fucking the market up?

>>16751392
Starship isn't going to be as big of a disrupter as I originally believed in like circa 2020 to 2021. There will be plenty of demand to justify missions for Vulcan and Neutron and WhenGlen

>>16751392
for national security reasons the government buys from several companies. ULA wouldn't even notice

>>16751395
ULA has absolutely noticed SpaceX getting the majority of NSSL contracts.

>>16751405
Fat Five, it just works

>>16750230
>trillion dollar space race!

between SpaceX and china....

>>16751398
They get all the payloads they can launch anyways

https://x.com/Cosmic_Penguin/status/1956135100250513745
>4 (yes, count them) launches towards orbit in just 3 days! One of which is going to go SE @ Jiuquan SLC just < 2 hours from now at August 15 ~01:15 UTC. Drop zones indicate a shocking yet-another-launch for LandSpace's famous methane rocket Zhuque-2E, 3rd since November. But they certainly have teased its delivery so maybe I should not have been that shocked! The thing going on top this ZQ-2E is not known, but there are speculations of more SatNet demonstration satellites going up on this, perhaps similar to DtC sats launched earlier in '25.

>A 2nd launch tmr August 16 ~07:35 UTC from Jiuquan towards SSO makes me feel yeah...because drop zones matches those used by Kinetica-1, & those tend to have lots of share-riding sats on board so checking each of them would be hard. But CAS Space came out to announce 2 of them! This launch's pretty fitting at around this time since the rocket to be used has been sent to Jiuquan SLC way back in early July:

https://x.com/cas_space/status/1955794123463798850
>Kinetica-1 Y10 is scheduled to lift off in approximately 55 hours. On board the flight, we have a pair of payloads from Mexico. The launch of ThumbSat-1/2 marks the first-ever collaboration between the North American and Chinese commercial space industry.

>A 3rd one will be from Xichang SLC towards SE on August 17 ~09:05 UTC, drop zones being completely the same as for LM-4C's rare Xichang launch w/ SY-28-B01 on July 3rd. So is this w/ SY-28-β99C-bis or sth? Anyone trying to sniff up info like a cat here isn't going anywhere and Taiyuan SLC is also joining this weekend's launch actions w/ yet another southbound LM-6A launch on August 17 ~14:15 UTC. This can be yet another SatNet LEO constellation launch or - less likely - for G60/Qianfan. Whatever it is, it's not gonna be dealt with much fanfare...

Busy weekend coming up for China

>>16751429
STOP THE COUNT!

>>16750528
>Jared gets to be administrator in his seventies
who used the monkey paw?

>>16750946
just like the old ones. So what

>>16750644
where did you see this

>>16751444
In low earth orbit

>>16751444
On the Starlink livestream

I thought Jaqueline was named after bezos’ late mother? She died today

>>16751447
neat

>>16751448
lmao

>>16751447
ah thanks, I'm a retard and missed the fairing sep part, was looking for deploy lol

>>16751448
Neat

>>16751451
neat

https://youtu.be/hAAOSdvHtjA
HOOPOOY SHHHH@#$&-4#T
THIS IS HUGE

>>16750834
The Light of Purification

>>16751398
he was talking about starship

https://x.com/raz_liu/status/1956160576918524227
>ZQ-2E vertical on the pad. Would launch in few minutes

Liftoff has been reported

https://x.com/Cosmic_Penguin/status/1956159502149148779
>And here comes this ZQ-2E launch within the next minutes… No live coverage per customer’s request apparently, which limits their identities a bit (though to be frank I was actually stunned to see one last time around in May).

>>16751458
Sell me on the video by describing its contents in one sentence.

>>16751476
sick buttblug
ribbed and everything

I hate having a job all of the /sfg/ posts happens when I'm at work

>>16751475
https://x.com/raz_liu/status/1956177699195572614
>RUMOUR say second stage may have failed

Great start to the weekend, everyone

https://x.com/Cosmic_Penguin/status/1956179224664137765
>It certainly happened:

At least we get some liftoff footage

>>16751507
it's Thursday

>>16751516
Man, it has been a week over here. It's felt like Friday all day and not in a good way.

https://x.com/raz_liu/status/1956181173740429511
>Basically could confirm today's ZQ-2E's launch is failed, Waiting for the official result.

https://x.com/Cosmic_Penguin/status/1956182707098280354
>Note that this will affect the upcoming Zhuque-3 as well since ZQ-3 uses the same engines on each of the 2 stages as on the ZQ-2E (or minor derivatives of them), as are probably a lot of other hardware & software parts.

>>16750723
shoo D&C joo

Ultimately, California tears won't matter, because SpaceX is already suing and Space Force is backing The X hard, which mean Federal Preemption++

>>16751529
Which branch of government is the Coastal Commission?
Do all democracies have Coastal Commissions?
What are their five most outstanding achievements? The very things that make you say "God damn, I'm sure glad we have that Committee on the Coast!"
I live in Chicago, and now I'm wondering, why don't we have a Coastal Commission, since things of that nature seem to be mandatory?
Coastal Commissions for everyone?

>>16751521
So no ZQ3 launch year I think

>>16751569
Chicago Plan Commission and the Lakefront Protection Ordinance. Stopped a new Bears stadium being built on the water and a thousand other dreams.

>>16751448
Do you think he'll launch her ashes/body?

>>16751405
It's so cool they are finally able to do what we have been doing for seventy years!

apolloinrealtime should have 12 added sometime soon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jH-CcK21ShI
>Launch Towers Rise: Starship, Stoke, & Artemis Gear Up on the Space Coast!

Okay. Scrub Because of Icebergs will be fun.

>>16751588
On a suborbital hop

>>16751588
Her skeleton

>>16751663
canada doesnt need a spaceport

>>16751624
Unless you think that's their very first rocket launch, I have no idea what you're talking about

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7X3JT6D-fg
>ASU Construction Begins! + More S37 Testing | NEW Starbase Flyover

>>16751676
ASU?

>>16751678
Air Separation Unit(?)

>>16751679
yes

>>16751687
They thought they were going to Devon Island

>>16751447
kino

>>16750214 (OP)
>>16750946
With all the new stuff and weight being added on with each new design, will there be any room or capacity for payloads in the end? Was the banana test actually a test of their final cargo capacity?

>>16751691
>All of that to achieve 1 kilometer per hour

>>16751693
how do you know weight is being added? this integrates the catch pins into the fins and removes one of four even if they are somewhat larger

this might be very well be lighter overall

I fucking knew it

>>16751711
Semantic bullshit. Boosters are the first stage.

>>16751711
Why do they still push this ad? Not even the DOD is falling for it anymore. Is it a desperate attempt to fool VCs into buying ULA?

>>16751499
You don't get paid by your company to post here?

>>16751712
What a shame.

>>16751715
not even the VC's were interested

>>16751712
I was gonna ask who the hell this is but then I realised I don't give a fuck.

>>16751712
a tale as old as time

>>16751663
Wait, how the fuck am I only learning now theres gonna be a spaceport on the burin? I might actually get to see a rocket launch before I die.

>>16751715
>Vulcan is not a static design, says ULA boss Tory Bruno, it will be continuously upgraded, and will be a vital part of the cislunar economy. However, he predicted they won't get many Golden Dome contracts.
Hmmm... very interesting. Seems like he's pushing for new capabilities because SpaceX is so dominant
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdY73YYceR8&t

>>16751752
The pork must flow.

>>16751712
don't care, a cute

He's really losing it.

>>16751765
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1956276016688574667

spamming grok imagine reposts doesn't count bro

>>16751765
social media addicts to be like that

>>16751767
neuralink bros...

What went wrong with ULA?

Can't wait for the AI bubble distraction to finally burst. Probably gonna be another 5 years at least though.

>>16751771
>Starliner flight controller
That's more of a Boing issue than ULA. Shitliner ain't launching anytime soon, so what would her job at ULA entail?

>>16751771
Didn't have a business plan that closed for developing a more technologically advanced rocket.

>>16751772
Priorities, AI is being discovered right fucking now, Mars will continue to circle around, lifeless and barren for 10 billion more years without needing us at all. Its there when we are.
Get it now? Fap bots are retarded, but AI will get us to Mars faster than if it wasn't happening. Its honestly going to take superintelligence to fix Starship, the whole Mars problem is unfathomable without a LOT of help, technological advancement, social changes, and robotic labor. Fleecing the system for cash also conquers Mars.
Please understand.

>>16751761
I want a libtard art hoe gf who I slowly make more and more right wing

>>16751777
> to fix Starship
make bigger engines. at least 3x more thrust, to be exact
33 engines on the first stage is N1 tier insanity, not to mention very wasteful in terms of mass/thrust ratio

CZ-10 S1 7-engines-demonstrator static fire this morning at 07h00 UTC on launch pad LC-301 at Wenchang, lasted 30s

>>16751789
Flame trench

>>16751791
Dual-VAB

>>16751793
btw this confirms that this render is official

>>16751771
how to get cute /sfg/f?

YF215 (Raptor-class Methalox FFSC) expected to have its first fully-integrated hot fire in october.
A "semi-system test" ("power-pack" test) was done last september.

Meanwhile Landspace did a fully integrated hot fire of a subscale prototype of their Raptor-class BF-20 Methalox FFSC engine last May.

>>16751793
>why build one when you can have two at twice the price?

>>16751765
ohnoooooo

>>16751798
CMSA's policy is to always have a backup launcher and spacecraft ready for launch on short notice whenever there is a crewed launch. Every CZ-2F/Shenzhou launch mission has its subsequent one already in advanced stage of preparation in the other half of the Jiuquan VAB, and they want to do the same with CZ-10A/Mengzhou and CZ-10/Mengzhou-Y

>>16751795
I never doubted. Thank you Mr Long Lehao, very cool!

>>16751797
YF-135 :(

I firmly believe I have developed a hydroelectric turbine to surpass the Pelton turbine in efficiency and power density.

Did scott manley quit apple or was he let go

>>16751816
least self confident /sfg/ user

>>16751765
The amount of confirmation bias Elon engages in on Twitter is kind of concerning for all the actually important things that he's supposed to be working on.

>>16751767
That'd bring his SpaceX tweets to 0 then

>>16751816
file your patent and start raking in your millions

>>16751830
How much does filing cost?

>>16751832
$20,000. its why its mostly big companies doing it.

>>16751795
Im so confused. So the rockers here on the far left and far right use a smaller core?
Why is China’s shit so CONFUSING. In addition to having dumbass naming schemes, they now have multiple variants of LM10 planned? What the fuck just call it a different rocket at that point

>>16751838
How the little guy gon make it

ZQ-2E failure ACK

>>16751819
>scott manley quit apple
He quit: https://archive.is/RusiU
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/scmanley_after-15-years-im-leaving-apple-the-opportunity-activity-7361917786727632898-Hjf4/

How do I fuck a girl like this?

>>16751849
Your most realistic option here is to learn how to lucid dream

>>16751848
so he's, uh, Adrianning?
Yeah, hopefully he's got enough savings that he can at be at least temporarily retired to catch up on stuff he's been wanting to do for a long time. I've been in that phase for a while myself.

>>16751848
Good for him. He probably made a shit load of money from apple

>>16751850
install a Tenga module

>>16751853
meant to reply to >>16751849

>>16751848
sounds like this is basically his retirement.

>>16751848
This is good for us, he doesn't seem to Jew out and charge for his content, so hoping he remains sponsor-free but.
Money poisons people, even the most Braveheart of Scottish Troons. And he does have very expensive hobbies. I wonder if he will go work for a space startup. Seemed like he was tired of all the gay shit working at a phone company

>>16751853
That looks dangerous.

>>16751848
Quit, sure, yeah
Silicon valley companies don't have standing orders with HR to kick out people in their 50s, no sir

>>16751847
This will likely affect their upcoming ZQ-3 launch too, since it uses a lot of the same parts and engines as the ZQ-2. December launch maybe? Also, it's rumored to have been carrying some kind of Guowang technology demonstrators, so it might have been a important payload that will affect the roll-out of the entire Guowang network as a whole. Not a payload that you want to fuck up, very unlucky for them to have their first ZQ-2E failure on this payload and not for some other less important private payload or a routine Guowang/G60 launch instead.

I don't think that the higher ups are happy at Landspace right now. But on the flip side, once again, the desperate need for launchers will protect Landspace and the private industry. If China wasn't so strapped for launchers, I think the state rocket agencies will use big failures like this to suppress the private sector, especially in regard for big government launch contracts. But as it is, the private sector is the only way China is going to get G60 and Guowang up and running before 2030, and they know it.

https://x.com/Alexphysics13/status/1956368605521567945
>The FAA has issued a statement this morning stating that the Flight 9 mishap investigation is closed and SpaceX can proceed with Starship Flight 10 from a regulatory standpoint.

https://www.faa.gov/newsroom/statements/general-statements

Flight 9 mishap investigation is done

>>16751872
You don't hate them enough.

>>16751848
>>16751862
>>16751863
He has 763 paid patreon members at $5 a month, making about 3500 monthly after deductions. My guess is that's not enough: he's just bringing his plane after 8 months at the mechanics, and getting more certifications,that's not a cheap hobby.

>>16751876
Surprise surprise, SpaceX isn't ready

>>16751876
QRD on what caused the failure?

>>16751876
Confirms no catch attempt on next launch

>>16751809
YF-135 is old, now CASC/AALPT works on new 150tf reusable clusterable kerolox engine (it seems to be of similar pressure as YF-135)

Rumors that China might be using this scaled down CZ-10 1st stage for a grasshopper style test hop. Maybe. We do know for sure that a CZ-10 low altitude flight test is due for this year, makes sense to do a hop and maybe even test out the wire catch system.

Also, looking at the full video of the CZ-10 static fire, they're clearly rushing, the launch pad is still clearly under construction. Which gives credit to rumors that the launchpad construction has been heavily delayed and the CZ-10 program in general is also facing delays. China might need to rush the CZ-10 hard if they want to meet the 2030 lunar landing target. It's clearly the bottleneck here. The Mengzhou and Lanyue look like they're going well, but there's no way for them to be tested in their expected orbital conditions without the CZ-10.

>>16751881
guy like him at this point in his life there's no way that's his only income stream.

>>16751826
it makes every stupid thing he does make sense when you realise he's less of a supergenius and more of a tinpotdictator pulling ideas out his ass and having henchmen agree.

>>16750265
>inb4 this team gets slapped with NDAs and Classified gag orders for identifying spy sats
It's really stupid to presume that an alien civilization would be able to travel FTL but wouldn't be able to disguise its' own probe among other asteroids or hide a distributed network in the Oort cloud

>>16751890
Thank fuck China realized the Bridenstine stack works. I don't think any other architecture of theirs would work for crew lunar missions

>>16751899
>that an alien civilization would be able to travel FTL
and then have its probe move at speeds which may be fast compared to planetary orbits, but are still pathetically sublight

>>16751898
It pays to be decisive I guess. Until you decide to grow your nails out and pee in jars.

>>16751900
It was unironically 200 IQ of them to know they wanted a huge starship-like LM9, but to do an interim medium-huge LM10 design first to expedite the process of getting a big ass lifter.

LM9 and LM10’s names should have been switched to be děsú

>>16751874
>first failure
second, if you count the maiden launch with the vernier thrusters (eliminated in the 2E).
I imagine China will go easy on these guys, since they gained the country much prestige by winning the race to orbit for methane fueled engines.

>>16751915
That was the ZQ-2, not the ZQ-2E, there's enough differences that I would consider them almost a different rocket. Both had failures in the 2nd stage stage funny enough.

>I imagine China will go easy on these guys,

China is gonna go easy on every single private rocket company until they have enough lift capacity. The launch bottleneck in the country is extremely tight right now, they will not go down hard on any company until they screw up ridiculously badly. Even space pioneer got off with a slap on the wrist for their accidental first stage launch.

>>16751843
I don't see why it'd be a problem. Diameter is what's costly to change.

https://x.com/spacex/status/1956387234665332804
https://www.spacex.com/launches/starship-flight-10

>two weeks

>>16751912
I don't know much about Chinese mythology, but it seems to me that the more impressive rocket, the one with Mars capability (in theory, at least), deserves the name that lends itself best to "ninth heaven" references

Boy I don’t know about you fellas but Sunday August 24th at 6:30pm sure sounds like a great day to do some fishing off the coast!

>>16751937
I think the date will slip a few days. 50:50 that it slips into september

>>16751928
>8 days
>two weeks

>>16751928

Flight 10
>testing aggressive booster manuevers so no catch
>one center engine of the booster will be intentionally disabled to test landing burn backup capability from a center engine and two engine hover
>starship upper stage will deploy 8 starlink simulators
>a raptor relight during coast will be attempted again
>tiles have been removed (again) and multiple different metallic tiles, some with active cooling are being tested (again)
>the edges of the tiles are tapered (again I think)
>the re-entry profile is going to be intentionally agressive (again)

Fuck it, if they can successfully catch upper stage here then I’ll forgive v2 for all its shittiness and shortcomings

>>16751942
But, but, anon insisted Starship would not fly again until next year!

>>16751946
they aren't going to attempt it
why would they? they haven't even had a successful re-entry yet

>>16751945
I hope they fixed the retarded door

>>16751798
To build just two bays and one pad is arguably to cheap out. For KSC a quad-bay VAB and two pads were built.

>>16751928
Hey, thats the same day my dominoes coupons expire!

>>16751789
>>16751791
>>16751793
Would I exaggerate if I said that China is in their Apollo era?

Nonetheless, implessive.

>>16751931
>as soon as Sunday, August 24
see you in mid september.

>>16751949
>unable to be completed as the higher nosecone pressure resulted in adverse loads on the mechanism responsible for opening the payload door.
sounds like they didn't change the door, just hoped that not having a leak into the payload bay fixed it

>>16751948
v2 reentry*

>>16751931
So when will be the pre-flight Starship talk?

>Two flights remain with the current generation
hang on hang on
wasn't this supposed to be the last flight for v2?

Guess next failure mode on Flight 10th?

>>16751964
i thought there were supposed to be 4 more

>>16751930
Flight 9 mishaps
>booster exploded 1km above water due to a rupture in the downcomer caused by an aggressive angle of attack during boostback (up to 17 degrees), which then caused propellant mixing and ignition
>three minutes into starships burn, sensors detected a methane leak from the main fuel tank into the nosecone (if I understood it right)
>after SECO at the correct velocity the nosecone was vented as planned, but the increased pressure in the nose cone caused an increasing attitude error
>the payload deploy was skipped due to the wrong attitude (ship was spinning), the high pressure also fucked the door mechanism somehow
>attitude error was corrected with RCTs, but there was still a leak into the nose cone so after nose cone venting started again
>due to the ongoing leak, the in-space burn test was skipped and subsequently all propellant was vented into space and the vehicle was passivated
>the root cause was "main fuel tank pressurization system diffuser"

so there was some kind of leak in a fuel diffuser that was located in the nose cone, which then leaked into the nose cone, which when vented overpowered the reaction control thrusters (and I guess if not vented would have caused an explosion or something perhaps?)

>>16751964
Flight 9 should have been the last flight, if it wasn't for sunk cost fallacy. Whatever data that Elon can wring out of the last two V2s, isn't worth the bad PR of another two failed Starship flights in a row, nor the suddenly very real potential of an explosion on the launchpad

>>16751965
The doors actually open inward and puncture a fuel tank causing an uncontrolled spin

>>16751969
Not to be full of hubris or anything but super heavy is a workhorse and it doesn’t even scare me anymore, plus a full pad failure has always been a contention and even if SH nuked the OLM and entire tank farm I’m convinced they could completely rebuild by December or January

How much debris will Starship generate if it exploded in a stable orbit? It would be one of the single largest orbital debris generating events in history right?

>>16751969
No idea why you expect v3 be somehow better

>>16751969
the main data is the tiles, which will have to be tested either way
none of the changes that happen with V3 are going to automatically fix the things that went wrong with V2s up to this point I'm pretty sure
which is worse PR? V2s exploding, or V3s exploding as well (assuming that the issues would be able to be fixed with the remaining two V2s)

>>16751974
Superheavy likely won't explode on it's own, but Starship exploding will of course trigger it.

>even if SH nuked the OLM and entire tank farm I’m convinced they could completely rebuild by December or January

Don't be silly. Starship and superheavy going up in flames would be an actual legit decent sized nuke, like there would be a large crater where the launchpad used to be, there would need to have extensive earthworks before you can even think of rebuilding. Not to mention the regulatory issues that Starship would face, or the massive PR fallout. It would be a year at least, even without the political and regulations getting in the way.

>>16751969
Richest man in the world falls for textbook sunken cost fallacy again

>>16751983
>like there would be a large crater where the launchpad used to be
My intuition tells me the explosions wouldn't be nearly powerful enough to do that bro.

why do people think that starship v3 will somehow magically fix the random problems that have been happening?
like the latest with a leak in a fuel diffuser
as far as I remember every problem with v2 has been something random like this, just stretching the ship would not fix any of these

>>16751986
Look at the explosion of barely fuelled second stage

>>16751986
>My intuition

>>16751989
The cope is sort of justified and I suppose is rooted in the observation that the tiny little incremental tinkerings and tweaks of v2 aren’t stopping it from continuously exploding, so a radical design change (in the form of an entirely new version with major overhauled) might be some sort of harbinger of true change

>two more weeks
>2 months ago
I hate Elong so much

>>16751986
Starship and Superheavy combined carry thousands of tons worth of fuel. Just converting that weight into tnt gives you a few kilotons worth of of boom, aka a small nuke. Methalox also carries more energy per weight and volume than tnt. Of course, tnt detonates while methane/oyxgen deflagrates, so it's hard to compare it 1:1. But it will be a very big boom.

For reference, the 2020 Beirut explosion was only caused by 2750 tons of ammonium nitrate.

>>16751945
>starlink simulators
This flight test is cursed. It will fail.

>>16751964
S36 and S37 are the last v2 Ships

>>16752001
1000 tons of methlox is not as energetic as 1000 tons of ammonium nitrate let alone tnt

>>16752001
>High explosives vs a little methane that isn't even mixed with oxygen
I wouldn't be surprised if black powder has a higher energy density J/kg than TNT

>>16752001
Nitrogen is EXTREMELY energetic. Ask this motherfucker.

Whats your guys favorite space-ship

How is Mars Sample Return getting along?

https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/1956390068098154913

https://arstechnica.com/space/2025/08/nasas-acting-chief-calls-for-the-end-of-earth-science-at-the-space-agency/
>NASA’s acting chief calls for the end of Earth science at the space agency
>Nevertheless, Duffy is putting his imprint on the space agency, seeking to emphasize the agency's human exploration plans, including the development of a lunar base, and ending NASA's efforts to study planet Earth and its changing climate.
>During this appearance, Duffy talked up NASA's plans to establish a permanent presence on the Moon and his push to develop a nuclear reactor that could provide power there. He also emphasized his desire to end NASA's focus on studying the Earth and understanding how the planet's surface and atmosphere are changing. This shift has been a priority of the Trump Administration at other federal agencies.
>However, one source indicated to Ars that the Trump administration may be closing in on a new nominee to lead the space agency full-time. This person could be named in the coming weeks. It is difficult to see anyone being nominated who is not aligned with the priorities of Duffy and the White House Office of Management and Budget.

full time administrator coming soon perhaps

>>16752019
my fucking hero

>>16752022
Earth :)

>>16752025
https://www.foxbusiness.com/video/6376915097112

>>16752026
>SRBs filled azidoazide azides
Contemplate the energetic reaction.

>>16752031
>kick the SRB
>two nearest towns cease to exist

>>16751989
V3 can't be worse than the 100% failure rate of v2.

>>16752037
As John D. Clark intended.

behold

>>16752025
NASA chief replied "not spaceflight"

>>16752013
>>16752016
>>16752019
tnt is actually extremely lackluster energy density when it comes to weight and volume. It's only 4.6MJ/kg, compared to methane's 50MJ/kg. Of course, methane has a shitty MJ/volume due to it's gaseous state and it needs an oxidizer, both are which are not an issue in a rocket with liquid methane packed in close to LOX.

Assuming 1000 tons of liquid methane, that translates to around 50 trillion joules, aka around 12 kilotons of tnt, close to the yield of little boy. Of course, this assumes that the methane combusts perfectly with the oxygen and at the same time, so the any actual blast will be dozens of times lower, but still, it will be a massive boom.

>>16752025
you forgot to mention:
>With a background as a US Congressman, reality TV star, and television commentator
fucking kek. you americans are so funny. you keep destroying your govenment and are PROUD of that.
I love to see it. thank you for electing Trump!

>>16752060
>/kg
The interesting metric is per mole, not kg.

>>16752064
I want to make it easier on myself for unit conversions. The point is that Superheavy+Starship blowing up at once will be a decent sized nuke going off.

>>16752066
>decent sized nuke
It'll be a fairly big explosion with a very big flare.

>>16751976
No need to imagine. We will see it do this in LEO and in lunar injeciton too.

>>16752073
I already addressed that yes most of the energy won't be perfectly denotation due to imperfect combustion but even that will still produce a nuclear sized boom. The N1 explosion produced around a 1 kiloton boom and that was with a smaller rocket

https://x.com/torybruno/status/1956001298572046388

lmao this nigga still keeps posting these
absolutely shameless

>>16752079
>smaller rocket
With a denser fuel. Density matters.

>>16751931
okay, see you in two weeks

would be kind of funny if every v2 ship explodes before doing a water landing
in fact even if there are no problems with the coast and so on, that is somewhat likely with the aggressive re-entry angles they are testing, removing tiles intentionally and so on

https://x.com/RGVaerialphotos/status/1956425422222016829
>A look inside the flame trench at masseys

https://x.com/RGVaerialphotos/status/1956424858893451554
>Starbase Pad 2/Pad B 1 year difference

>>16752113
>that is somewhat likely with the aggressive re-entry angles they are testing, removing tiles intentionally and so on
They did this with the last V1 and it survived

Reentry is honestly easy.
The biggest issue Ship has is how the heatshield is manufactured, you can go full shuttle with a perfect and expensive heatshield but that misses the point.

I love rocket fuel chemistry so much bros

>>16752144
they did? which flights

>>16752147
Flight 6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAEgIhV5qnE

>>16752138
>SRBs filled with that and a ClF3 sustainer core
We're not gonna need bones where we're going.

>>16752149
that was from the flanks, not randomly all over
but they do have the ablatives now I guess
also there are different degrees of "aggressive" which kind of makes the point moot

KSA industry pre-alpha is out now.

>>16752180
Extreme alpha state. Might be an actual game there in a couple of years.

>>16752190
I really hope it turns into something good. I would not play any other game ever again.

>>16752180
>>16752190
Another brilliant vapor-ware from Dean "Rocket" Hall.

>>16752194
You cannot see Titan's surface through its haze. Fix it.

>>16752200
use space engine if you want realism. the rockets are piloted by cats for pete's sake

>>16752210
SE still doesn't have volumetric clouds though.

>>16752214
its a video game, go outside if you want realism

>>16751676
why does he talk like that

>>16752180
For anyone wondering about the specs, and why the performance was a bit lacking at that resolution.

>Maxed out, but with ridiculous settings like 8xMSAA, native cloud rendering (no upscaling like the standard 9x settings). No one would crack that up for normal gameplay.
>I'll do performance tests in upcoming videos.
>My PC specs: AMD 5800X3D, AMD 6800 (non XT), 32GB 3800CL14 with OC timings, SSD SN850X 2 TB

Decent, considering it's an alpha.

>>16752229
If Musk wasn't a retard, he could call Zion Don to send Coast Guard

>>16752230
google translate translation to english

>>16752229
Death to all environmentalists

>>16752229
Shoot them.

>>16752229
This is a national security matter. Military forces should be sent to the area.

>>16752229
Sink the boats.

>>16752229
a short 3 hour special operation

>>16752229
what a bunch of retards. they should donate to the ULA sniper instead.

>>16752229
you guys are making this too complicated, the solution is simple.
launch anyway and splashdown superheavy on them

>>16752232
niggas just wanna see the starship launch guilt free lmao

>>16752229
>>16752232
nothing like his drama post was suggesting then

I see why half of spitter hate spacesudoer now, what a drama shit stirrer

>>16752229
I'd rather just take the Mexican protest over receiving the news about it from an Indian shxitter poster

So what’s going to be the cope when China starts beating SpaceX in upmass

>>16752271
what's upmass?

>>16752273
not much, what’s up with you?

>>16752229
>A retarded Mexican group
lol based Space Sudoer
If I was Elon I'd say fuck 'em and launch anyhow, they know they shouldn't be there. Doubly so if they cross the border too.

>>16752273
>what's upmass?
now you've made Alpaca-chan cry

CJ Handmer was on Dwarkesh Patel which is probably the most high profile interview he has had yet. Doesn't seem to be much talk about space though.
Only solar fags may enter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cDHx2_QbPE

wtf are we supposed to do until Flight 10 aaaaaaaaaarhghghf

>>16752284
>some fag and a jeet

How is this space flight fuck off

>>16752284
lots of salty people in the comments
solar seems very unpopular

>>16752289
You must be new here if you don't know who he is.

>>16752232
Wait I thought they were just going to do a little down-range protest somewhere outside of the exclusion zone.
They’re PURPOSEFULLY trying to force a range violation?
MISTER TRUMP PLEASE DROP A MOAB FROM A B2 STEALTH BOMBER ON TOP OF THESE BEANERS

>>16752290
solar on earth dumb
solar in vacuum great
simple as

>>16752288
Follow the leader, goon 23 hours a day over AI.

SpaceX Most Likely Doesn’t Pay Taxes
https://archive.is/tkHH1

>>16752314
based

>>16752314
ok but what does it give back in terms of spaceflight, defense, intelligence, human spaceflight, payload services, etc

>>16752314
No shit, neither does any other company that has booked billions of net losses like SpaceX did

>>16752314
No profits, no taxes.

>>16752314
Well duh, they're spending more than they're making. That's how corporate taxes work.

>>16752277
Indians are never based by definition

>>16752289
Sorry but Indians are based now

>>16751848
I didn't know he even had a job

>>16752318
>>16752321
>>16752322
All of a sudden today SpaceXisters will openly admit that SpaceX makes a massive loss. But try to tell them that Starlink isn't profitable on another day and they will lose their shit.

>>16752335
Starlink being profitable isn't the same as SpaceX being profitable. Starlink on Falcon 9 is profitable. Every dime being spent on Starship is not.

>>16751884
Blew up

>>16752335
Bro SpaceX nearly went bankrupt numerous times before full reuse

>>16751884
>QRD on what caused the failure?
Flight 9: Booster Over-G'd its fuel transfer tube and when it failed, fuel and oxygen mixed and detonated.
Flight 9: Ship's high pressure gas diffuser for pressurizing the fuel tank failed and started to leak into the nosecone, about 5 minutes into the ship's burn. It completed ascent, but they couldn't manage the pressure buildup in the nosecone, maintain attitude control, and keep the fuel tank pressed, so they safed the whole vehicle and purged everything into space.
Ship 36: Rough handling of a COPV holding gas for nosecone pressurization resulted in it exploding under load. The explosion caused structural failure that made fuel and oxygen mix and detonate.

>>16752335
>face ID
stupid goy
lmao

>>16752300
Mexicans just making excuses to get close to an awesome launch view

paying taxes is for traitors. I don't want my money going to a traitorous administration after all.

>>16752314
Space exploration should be completely tax exempt as an industry, I'm not even kidding. Make it like the catholic church. Its that interesting and important

>>16752362
"Space exploration" isn't an industry

>>16752214
Humanity needs a definitive Atlas of our solar system that really goes into deep detail on each planet / moon / solar system bodies' geology and how their surface features form

>>16752366
I used it here as a vague catch-all term for anything related to rocketry or "beyond the lower atmosphere, in orbit, and beyond"
Tax BO and Virgin. Idc. But for rocket lab or spacex or nanoracks or bigelow (RIP) or stoke or any project of a company (or entire company) that can justify exploring orbit of Earth and beyond? No taxes.

>>16752354
I would do this not gonna lie. Ive seen some crazy guerilla-style launch footage of long march and soyuz—dangerously close. Good stuff. I recommend ear protection to these videographer heroes (nincompoops?)

>>16752335
Look at the thurdie flail as he fails to understand American corporate tax structure with regard to past losses.

>>16752372
>>16752362
Not only should it not be taxed, it should be heavily subsidized. The farming sector recieves immense government gibs and far outproduces public demand just to keep farmers employed. If Space got those kinds of gibs we would have seen crazy shit. ULA stick to national securiity launches because that's where themoneyis. if they were getting gibs to do random shit then many of those crazy boeing and lockmart blueprints from the 60s-80s would have come true.

>>16752354
chinese spaceflight enthusiasts are based as hell. wish we americans could get that close to a launch

fuck you

>>16752460
can you give this to grock imagination and take her clothes off ?

>>16751979
V2 is not capable of testing the tiles, this is proven fact. V3 at least is not proven one way or another, so that is better than proven to be a fucking shit fuck

>>16752354
>dat hydrazine orange flame

just tested grok imagine. it sucks horseshit wow

>>16752493
Tell that to Elon and he'll get into a long-running twitter beef with you

>>16752388
>just to keep farmers employed.
A country that can't feed itself is not an independent country. Farm subsidies exist to ensure the agricultural system is stable and reliable. It's not to make farmers wealthy, it's to ensure independence.
You can be a stubborn retard and argue against this reality or you could try making a different claim that helps you get what you want, such as having mastery over near Earth space is a national security issue, so we should invest in spaceflight to keep from being threatened from above by countries that take advantage of our lack of investment in space.
Connecting space spending to farm subsidies is plebbit retard shit.

>>16751569
Massachusetts has one. Their big accomplishments are ̶c̶o̶c̶k̶b̶l̶o̶c̶k̶i̶n̶g̶ height limits for skyscrapers on the waterfront
in Boston and a harborwalk.

>>16752043
IS that piloted by a fucking cinnamin toast crunch?

>>16752544
This would be a more compelling argument if the government hadn’t spent the last half century kneecapping the country by getting rid of basically all manufacturing. Subsidising farmers is just buying votes from rural retards who have outsized voting power.

>>16752271
Will never happen

>>16752025
How is he wrong? Earth science is a job for the NOAA
>Aeronautics
>Space
Both of these missions take place above the Earth

>>16752025
>the Trump administration may be closing in on a new nominee to lead the space agency full-time
Trump will nominate Duffy for NASA, and Jared Isaacman for Department of Transport

>>16752583
Why not

discuss super secret space shuttle smissions

>>16752590
China will take 10+ years to catch up with present-day Spacex, and Spacex in 10 years will make present-day Spacex look like a joke.

https://x.com/ShanaDiez/status/1956538292146471194
>Howdy, rocket fans. Things are falling into place for Starship flight 10. Lots has happened since flight 9 and while a booster catch is no longer in the cards for Booster 16, there are still a lot of exciting things planned for this flight. Gearing up for number 10 in just over a week!

>>16752593
Yeah that’s cope

>>16752596
>a booster catch is no longer in the cards for Booster 16
We're literally going backwards
They are losing the tech

>>16752603
V2 boosters are old tech that are no longer worth keeping around. use em then lose em until V3 arrives.

>>16752609
The point isnt to reuse its to learn and perfect the landing
>inb4 "the payload is data"

>>16752615
they are perfecting the landing by testing an engine out situation

>>16752622
They already landed without an engine though.

>>16752593
While it will take China another 10 years to make their own Starship, they are 1-2 years from a F9 clone and Starship itself is nowhere near done yet. As soon as they figure out reusable rockets, they're gonna to increase their launches by an order of magnitude, they're already at 50% of SpaceX's launch rate with expendable rockets.

China has the advantage of more launchpads, more rocket companies and also a larger industrial base for making sats. They may not have the tech advantage of SpaceX, but they can power though with sheer numbers and industrial strength as usual.

Of course, once Starship starts launching weekly, the equation will flip again.

The reality is that arms can't take any more landings

>Next 2 Booster V2 will be disposed of at sea to test new profiles and free up space at starbase
>CZ-10 low altitude/suborbital flight planned for later this year is now confirmed to be recovered
kek the next booster catch won't be Superheavy.

>>16752629
There are three different rings of engines

MMX is the only thing I'm excited for in the next five years. To get an actual view of Mars from the surface of Phobos will be mind-blowing.

>>16752632
>they are 1-2 years from a F9 clone
lol

>>16752544
It's somwwhat of an argument, but farmers are not being paid to ensure a safe level of agricultural output in case of global embargo, they are being paid to far outstrip any level that the economy would reasonabily want and then throw a huge amount of the output away each year.
as anon >>16752575 said it's about buying votes from rural people. Also partly due to regulatory capture, the same lobby groups who get paid to shill for fossil fuels also get paid to shill for agriculture. That's why Trump is said to be 'good for farmers' when he's also a fossil fuel shill. Won't even deport their illegal alien workers lmao.
In the modern geopolitical landscape providing gibs to space makes more sense than for agriculture. Space is the decisive theatre of war, whereas we will not see China starve in the Sino-American war because nowadays their is an immense global food surplus and you can import food even if you are at a production deficit.

>>16752650
There's around 8 reusable rockets that are expected to make their maiden flight in China within the 3-12 months. Actually landing and perfecting the refurbishment and landing process will take another 1-2 years from their maiden flight. They are close.

And who knows? Maybe the TL-3 or ZQ-3 might get lucky and successfully land on their first try and China can have their first F9 within the next 3 months.

>>16752660
Let's check back in a year.
Screenshot this post.

>>16752662
SpaceX has had no progress on starship for literal years now. China will catch up and you are coping.

>>16752647
Yup same here. And I hate to be a blackpiller and I love JAXA but there’s like a 10-20% chance it just fails lol

>>16752664
China will never catch up and I am telling you to screenshot my posts and save them so that you will remember that I was right.

>>16752667
Ok I’ve just screenshot your cope post, I’m sure Elons Indian H1Bs will do a great job at SpaceX!

>>16752669
Stop being racist, thanks

>>16752662
>>16752667
Why are you so surprised that China is catching up? No technology stays in the hands of a single nation or company forever, and China has already caught up or surpassed the West in literally hundreds of other fields of technology since the 1980s.

If anything, China's progress so far has been slow and disappointing, related to their decades of under investment in rockets since the 90s. I expected them to have launched their first reusable rockets in mid 2024, but it has been delayed and delayed until late 2025. They would have caught up much quicker if they had actually modernized their rockets in the 1990s, instead of sticking to hypergolics for so long.

>>16752647
Psyche will also be cool.

>>16752671
Install a toilet you rancid street shitter

>>16752674
It’s cope. The entire western experience of China has been the century of humiliation when the west leapfrogged the world’s centre of everything for thousands of years by getting steam power and advanced firearms first. Now they are resuming their normal place and the west is caught in a state of denial/seethe.

>>16752585
>>16752025

That would be fine if they were interested in funding NOAA. Also fun fact, NOAA don't develop their satellites. The get NASA to do it. Even if you cancelled Earth Science at NASA, they would still end up doing it because they are the only ones with the experience.

>>16752674
They were only able to produce ballpoint pens since 2017

>>16752684
Remind me again how many nations globally are capable of producing ballpoint pens? This is such a shit gotcha.

>>16752682
cleave away the earth science departments and subsume them into NOAA

>>16752684
A list of countries that manufacture ballpoint pen tips

>switzerland
>japan
>china

>>16752674
The development cycle has actually been really quick for reusable rockets over there. They only started taking it seriously after 2020, so about 4-5 years of dev time. Granted, it's easier to make stuff once you've already seen it being done but compare that to Blue and other companies.

>>16752691
shut the fuck up.

snorted some meth and then went to science museum

>>16752693
Sounds like a productive Saturday

>>16752025
Unpopularopinion: the earth sciences mission at NASA should be moved under the US military. In a few decades time climate change will affect our global logistics and basing and we need to get ahead of it now.

>>16752636
they are, with maintenance. but, that said, the design has been superseded by more performant arms that should be more reliable too, so its just called progress.

>>16752691
Nah, China changed the law to allow for private space companies in 2015, so they clearly paid attention to SpaceX and the private companies were all clearly aiming for reusable rocket from the very start. Yes, they paid a lot more attention and probably increased funding after 2019, when SpaceX started launching weekly, but reusable development probably started in 2015. The issue was that China neglected cryogenic rockets development for decades, in favor of sticking to their tried and tested hypergolics

And rocket engines, like jet engines, are something that you don't develop overnight, you need decades of institutional knowledge to make good engines, experince that China doesn't have because they foolishly ignored cryogenic rockets for so long.

Also, it didn't help that their newer generations of rockets came out at the worse possible time. The LM-5/6/7 all made their maiden flight around the time that the F9 landed and was starting to get reused. Which means that the state agencies not only had to focus on making sure that the maiden launches of their new rockets worked and had to iron out all the teething issues of the new generations of rockets, they had to now deal with the fact that expandable rockets were now obsolete and they needed to quickly start R&D on reusable rockets at the same time. Oh and they had to figure out what to do with the rockets like the LM-8/9/12 that were still in the middle of development and were too late to change the design. It's a mess all around.

If China had modernized her rockets sooner, in the 90s or the 2000s, and had the LM-5/6/7/8/9 already in service as mature rockets by the time that the F9 landed in 2014, they would have gotten a reusable rocket so much faster.

>>16752719
your dad changed is asshole to allow my cock to enter. nobody gives a shit tranny. not reading.

>>16752742
gosh thats rude

I will see this one day

>>16752742
Whitoids are infinitely more likely to be trannies than a chinee shill. How’s ur axe wound going “rose”?

So apparently I can file a patent in my country for the low cost of a few thousand euros and then I have 12 months to pitch the invention to investors who if they like it will bankroll worldwide patent application.

Memedrive status?

>>16752770
What will become of all this construction after Starship is cancelled next year?

>>16752719
>, experince that China doesn't have because they foolishly ignored cryogenic rockets for so long.
Anon,they hot fired two FFSC methalox engines in the past 12 months.

https://x.com/AJ_FI/status/1956719487186792576
>Long March 10 logo appears to show Earth near the top of the 1 and the Sun in the 0.

>>16752780
Orbit of secret innermost planet depicted just next to the sun

Breaking: Trappist-1d is an airless shithole

>>16752719
China did not "neglect" anything. They've been working towards cryogenic main engines since the mid 1990s. It's just taken them a long time to work out all of the materiel science issues with staged combustion designs, and even longer to build up the industry needed to construct parts with those alloys. I don't know why you keep posting that China should have had the LM-5 in 2000. China launching that before the Atlas V and Delta IV even made it to the pad is a completely delusional view of reality.

>>16752777
They're developing fast, but imagine if they had modernized their rockets a decade earlier. Them only rolling out their next generation rockets in the mid 2010s, only for them to collide directly with reusable rockets, while still being stuck with their older hypergolic rockets, is a massive clusterfuck. There's no way around this fact, they're juggling the older hypergolic rockets, trying to mass produce the current generation of LM rockets, while also having to do R&D on the new reusable rockets and having to mass produce those too. Not to mention the hell this plays on their logistic chain and infrastructure to have to accommodate this 3 generations of rockets.

It's no question that the decision left them wayyy behind, despite how fast they're moving today. It's like a kid that didn't study until a week before his final exam, and in that week of study, got great marks anyway. Sure it worked out well for him, but imagine if that kid had studied for the entire year. The lost potential is keenly felt.
>>16752790
I call bullshit that China could have a human capable spacecraft a decade before they could develop a small lift cryogenic rocket. They just didn't bother.

>China should have had the LM-5 in 2000.

They didn't even get the LM-6, a tiny little small lift rocket until 2015. But they can send humans into space since 2003? Something that even Europe, Japan and India can't do today? I can see where the funding priority went.

>They've been working towards cryogenic main engines since the mid 1990s.

Well the work was clearly of lower priority if they couldn't even get the a small lift cryogenic rocket into service until 2015.

>>16752799
You didn't see staged hydrocarbon designs reaching testing in America until around 2000. Prior to the breakup of the Soviet Union most engineers in the West thought that engines like the RD-180 were economically impractical if not physically impossible. Taking ten years from finding out that they were all wrong to running preburner tests isn't a bad timeline when you've already got lots of staged engine experience from working on the RS-25. Taking twenty years to go from a cold start to a working engine design isn't unexpected when most of the engines you use are modifications of a Soviet ICBM engine from the early 60s.

If China were to launch a new rocket with cryogenic fuels in 2000 it would have had to use gas generator engines. That would have only been a marginal improvement over their DF-5 hypergolic designs and wouldn't have compared well to foreign rockets with more advanced engines.

>>16752780
wtf the Chinese know about supermercury

>>16752815
So why not just use gas generator first? It's not like the performance is that bad compared to staged combustion. You build small to gain experience and scale up from there. SpaceX didn't start with Starship, they went F1>F9>FH>Starship, in a clear and steady progression as they gained experience and expertise. China has always struggled with engines and metallurgy. Them sitting on cryogenic engines just because they wanted to take an extra decade to develop staged combustion engines and skip cryogenic gas generator rockets is unbelievable, or very stupid.

Also, it's not like any of the LM rockets are that special in terms of performance anyway. Middle of the road for all of them other than the LM-5. The F9 can squeeze so much extra performance despite having gas generator engines, it approaches the LM-5 payload to LEO figures despite having a vastly smaller diameter core and no boosters...

CALT sitting on hypergolics for so long is probably the biggest mistake that they have made in the last 30 years.

>>16752834
Going gas gen wouldn't have been worth the cost. A GG LM-7 would drop about 30s of isp and lose about a third of its payload capacity. You'd end up with something that cost a lot of money to design and build but had performance that was roughly the same as the LM-2F/G that it would have been replacing. And there's no guarantee that you could just swap in the YF-100s when they were finally ready. There were a lot of small behind the scenes adjustments to get Antares transitioned over from the NK-33 to the RD-181, and those two engines are as close to clones as its possible to find; same power cycle, same fuel mix, same thrust, etc.

fuck you

>>16752784
looks expensive

>>16752667
What is going to be the next quantum leap after Starship that will keep the US ahead of China?

>>16752866
NTR

>>16752866
Rediscovery of fire in the post apocalypse

>>16752719
>they clearly paid attention to SpaceX and the private companies were all clearly aiming for reusable rocket from the very start.
I don't think that's true. The earliest private liquid rocket designs did not seem designed with reusability in mind at all. For example ZQ-2, which is more of a methalox version of LM-4B

I think a lot of people did not start taking reuse seriously until around 2018 or later, when it became apparent that reuse would save money (unlike with the Space Shuttle)

>>16752868
Is the US likely to have an advantage in that type of technology? China's nuclear industry is a lot bigger than the US'

>>16752719
YF-73 first flew in 1984

>>16752868
No way, retarded

I think that people who talk about how China should have started doing X or Y ten or fifteen years earlier are forgetting something important

>>16752883
It's not like the Chinese didn't have a lot of things on their plate. They wanted to develop everything from military turbofans to marine turbines. You can't allocate limited resources on everything.

>>16752883
It's not like the Chinese didn't have a lot of things on their plate. They also wanted to develop a lot of other things such as better aircraft engines, marine engines, road vehicle engines, etc. You can't allocate limited resources to everything.

you fags seem knowledgeable
how much of chinas development in rockets science and engineering came from the soviets, how much came from other countries and which ones, and how much of it is their own?
anything to read/watch about this?

>>16752866
Having more highly streamlined launch operations, with quicker turn-around and higher reliability, due to an additional 10 years of experience

>>16752874
it isn't even a race
the US already had working NTR engines in 1973
DRACO is just the Rover program, dusted off and given permission to exist again

>>16752866
18 meter starship

>>16752881
>retarded
no u
800-1000 seconds of impulse lmao
3 months to Mars

>>16752891
>NTR engines in 1973
Isn't that another way of saying is that everyone involved with the project is now dead or retired? The US used to be a world leader in the nuclear industry back then, and now it isn't. US industry has a hard time building a regular civilian nuclear power plant today because the expertise has been lost, see for example the botched Vogtle and Summers expansions. It's only naval reactors that the US has retained expertise in, and even those China probably build more of today than the US does.

Besides, I don't think any NTR was ever launched into space? Only ground tests were ever conducted. So calling it "working" might be an exaggeration

>>16752899
>everyone involved with the project is now dead or retired?
no. also blueprints don't get Alzheimers
>working
static fire tests at nominal power and for flight-relevant durations

I have no patience for the rest of your crap, go earn your next 50 cents somewhere else

>>16752903
I think you need a lot more knowledge than just blueprints to build these things. Besides, I doubt many of the parts that an engine designed before 1973 would depend on are still in production.

If the system was developed to a mature and flight ready state, why was there not a single flight test?

Why does the USSF demand flight tests of launchers, if static ground tests are good enough to show a product is mature?

>>16752903
I think you need a lot more knowledge than just blueprints to build these things. Besides, I doubt many of the parts that something designed before 1973 would depend on are still in production.

If a system had been developed all the way to a mature and flight ready state, why was there not a single flight test?

Why does the USSF demand 2 flight tests of NSSL launchers, if static ground tests are good enough to show a product is mature?

>16752914
which part of "piss off, wumao" did you not understand?

>>16752891
DRACO did not have a finished product yet, and also it was canceled

>>16752915
You probably need a better argument than NTR if you want to make a convincing case that the US will always and forever be ahead of China

>>16752879
That's for the 2nd or 3rd stage. A full cryogenic rocket was only achieved in 2015 with the LM-6.

Isaacman's air force is growing...

>>16752889
Not much came from the Soviets, due to the Sino-Soviet that began in 1960. A huge boost to Chinese rocketry came from Qian Xuesen, who worked in the US as an aerospace engineer, being deported to China in 1955. Development of the YF-100 engines might perhaps have benefited from Soviet technical documentation and test data sourced from Ukraine or Russia after the collapse of the USSR (ex-Soviet republics were desperate for money back then and were willing to sell almost everything that wasn't nailed down)

>>16752841
I'm not an expert, but if that's the case, how can the F9 achieve such good performance with gas generators? And I still think it would have worth it, just to get more experience with cryogenic rockets. Sometimes, you have to accept a performance loss when developing new technology.
>>16752873
Even back in 2016, companies like Ispace and Landspace were talking about developing reusable rockets. The ZQ-2 was Landspace developing a more traditional rocket for experience instead of just jumping into such a complex reusable rocket as their first liquid fueled rocket. Also to get the world's first methane rocket achievement.
>>16752883
>>16752888
China had the money for a human spaceflight program in the 90s. A luxury project. They had the money to spare, they could have worked on cryogenic rockets earlier, they just didn't want to.

>>16752920
The point was that it is a bit of a mischaracterization to talk about there being a long neglect of cryogenic propulsion development in general. It is more accurate to talk about kerolox lower stage engines specifically

>>16752932
Human spaceflight is not a "luxury project". It's a project that demonstrates that your ICBM reentry vehicle technology does indeed work as advertised. China was interested in human spaceflight long before the 921 project, in fact as early as the late 1960s (714 project) which was canceled.

>>16752889
China had some help from the USSR before the soviet-sino split. And a lot of help from an Chinese scientist that was exiled from America. Also some help from Russia after the USSR collapsed, via hiring lots of ex-soviet engineers and buying tech transfers from a cash strapped Russia.
>>16752937
No matter how you slice it, China only getting a full stack cryogenic rocket in 2015 is crazy and stupid. Sputnik 1 got launched on a kerolox rocket. The 1st ever orbital object in 1957 and it still had a kerolox 1st stage.

Like I said, China could have developed at least a small lift kerolox or hydrolox rocket in the 90s, if the soviets could do so in the 1950s, just to get some experience with the technology if nothing else. They just didn't want to.

>>16752946
>China getting an operational high-bypass turbofan only in 2023 is crazy and stupid
>China getting a domestic turbofan reliable enough for the single-engine J-10 fighter jet only in the late 2010s is crazy and stupid
>Chinese warships relying on German diesel engines and Ukrainian gas turbines until the 2010s is crazy and stupid
etc etc etc

>>16752953
>China could launch humans into space 12 years before they could launch a cryogenic rocket

China has always struggled with high end jet engines. But a small lift kerolox rocket is nowhere near as complicated a modern turbofan. They just neglected development in favor of hypergolics because they got complacent. Oldspace is the same everywhere.

>>16752956
China developed the DF-5 because of the military imperative of having an ICBM. It was easy to justify leveraging that technology, which was already mostly paid for, to cheaply obtain a space launch capability. It was not justified to spend money on developing a completely new tech stack. Kerolox is extremely bad for military applications. You mentioned kerolox rockets in the 1950s. That was because hypergolics were not so mature tech at the time. Otherwise it is likely that Soyuz too would have been hypergolic just like Proton and Tsyklon were

today in /sfg/: space is still fake and gay

>>16752967
RATS.gif

>>16752956
>nowhere near as complicated a modern turbofan
China could barely even make an obsolete turbofan until relatively recently. Even the WS-20 is still kinda obsolete with a bypass ratio of 1:6 compared to the modern state of the art of over 1:10. Even the PW2000 (1984) had a 1:6 bypass ratio.
China's F-119 equivalent still isn't ready for mass production.

>>16752973
The WS-15 has already entered mass production

>>16752977
Has it? Last time I perused SDF, which admittedly was not recently, the word was that there were more delays and is still stuck in LRIP

>>16752981
LRIP is still considered "mass production". The tech is there and they can produce a fair number of them, the issue is mass producing it to fit the nearly 80+ J-20s that are being built every year. That's around 160 engines. The F-35 is being produced in similar numbers, but it's at single engine plane, so it needs half the engines. A victim of the J-20's success you could say. The WS-15 production hasn't caught up the large increase in J-20 production over the years, not even close.

When is the Japanese fashion guy flying to space?

>>16752993
never

Why can't SpaceX make a hydrolox upper stage for F9? Then Vulcan will have no business case whatsoever

>>16753017
we need to trust the starship plan

>>16753017
This is precisely why BFR/ITS/Starship exist, lurk more

>>16753017
FH can already do the rare missions that F9 can't do

Species whose natural habits actively harm its native planet confident they can transform another one into paradise

>>16753029
Starship hasn't even deployed a single gram of payload into orbit
>>16753031
There's no reason why you can't use the F9 hydrolox 2nd stage for the FH too.

>>16753040
>There's no reason why you can't use the F9 hydrolox 2nd stage for the FH too.
there is, it doesn't exist
and developing it would be pointless compared to Starship
there are plenty of companies developing kickstages/spacetugs

fuck c

>>16753043
Real fucking dumb that a company as large and as rich as SpaceX can't spare some cash and manpower to upgrade the rocket that's still responsible for 100% of their upmass. They're just pinning everything on Starship. What if it fails and has some fundamental design flaw or takes a lot longer than expected to develop? If they can spend 5% of their effort on upgrading the F9, at least they have a backup plan in case Starship doesn't work out.

>>16753040
My point was that "Raptor" was originally a smaller engine for an upgraded methalox F9 stage, then they said fuck it and changed the design to Big Falcon Rocket, a standalone new rocket. That idea has lead us to v2 SS that is currently a huge piece of shit that hasn't put anything in orbit yet but hopefully can start advancing fast again soon

>>16753050
It'll be over before you realize it

>>16753051
Retarded mindset. F9 is already wildly successful in its current vanilla form. Spreading a talented team thin to go work on a custom upper stage from scratch for, what, 5% more contracts in the next 10 years, is retarded. They have already committed to ISS deorbit vehicle, which its looking like they want to make as simple as can be. And they've also expressed interest in modifying the Dragon XL contract to be replaced with cargo starships. So yes banking on Starship working is not a bad idea

>>16753051
F9 is locked completely down and nobody gets to change as much as a fucking hydraulic line in its design as long as it's flying crew.

>>16753031
That is the problem. Starship is a -- theoretical -- reusable Saturn V Class rocket. Problem is, aside from the comically over complicated Artemis program, there are no Saturn V Class payloads that need to be launched. The only business case for Starship is cost down on Starlink, and the remarkable reuse rate on Falcon killed much of that. The tens of billions Elon is wasting on Starship development would have bought a lot of Falcon launches.

>>16753057
The problem is that f9 can't launch the big starlinks spacex wants to launch.

>>16753059
hmm? scrapped?

>>16753057
I dont know if its still the case but at one point it seemed like Musk was throwing out the idea that Starship, even with its larger steel tanks and dozens and dozens of Raptor engines, could be made cheaper than F9s. If so, thats a justification in and of itself. Even if its flying F9-sized payloads, what if its cheaper to build and massively reuse over the course of the year (in addition to being able to launch Starlinks at an entire order of magnitude more, which i am sure you can see the business case for seeing how Starlink is doing nothing but exploding in demand right now)

>>16753062
People are saying it's a photo op prop

what do you think happened to the people responsible for the COPVs?
somewhat worrying that Elon doesn't seem to give a singular fuck about it

>>16752768
It must not be doing anything or you would have had responses. Next test satellite for sure!

>>16753070
They got more overtime

>>16753063
OK but how will I get to Mars without Starship? Also crazy that we will have AGI before landing on Mars.

>>16753075
mars is a shithole

>>16753060
Designing something too big to be launched by your current reliable and cost effective launch vehicle is kinda stupid. Starship working is the bottom block of Elon's Jenga tower.

>>16753063
Think by now everyone knows that Elon says a lot of stupid stuff with marginal relation to reality.

>>16753085
>Starship working is the bottom block of Elon's Jenga tower.
What does this phrase mean?

>>16753078
any hole's a goal

>>16751772
Would be hilarious if Musk is a trillionaire by then

>>16752343
Kida makes me super nervous due to these quality control issues.

>>16751777
Germans 1969: Build Saturn V in a few years
Americans 2025: hoping magical superintelligence will them to Mars

wew lad

>>16753116
thats very likely
there is probably going to be a new performance based compensation package that is voted on during Teslas next shareholder meeting
if its similar to the 2018 one, then its going to be something like 10% of the company with market cap goals somewhere in the 5T-10T range (in the 2018 it was 12 tranches, each 1% of the company in options and market cap goals starting at 50b up to 650b (Tesla was somewhere around 30b at that point))

>>16753125
UK is such a fucking shithole

Remember when Musk was about to get a huge compensation package but some court did a thing

>>16753131
it got approved the other day, though it was only like $29 billion or some low number

He is being compensated excessively

>>16753132
thats the start, if the delaware supreme court doesn't cancel the initial ruling then he will get the rest in subsequent packages (and this is independent of a new performance based compensation package)

>>16753139
>share holders vote to pay Musk
>leftist judge claims its excessive and share holders were deceived
>share holders rebuke that
>share holder vote AGAIN to pay Musk overwhelmingly
>judge refuses again for some reason
>Tesla share holder vote to leave Delaware and go to Texas
>share holders sign pay package for Musk
Leftist judge can get fucked

>>16753125
>oy where's you're loicence?

Note the occupant's last whiteboard message - a common sight across @NASA. A wealth of expertise and dedication is being mindlessly forced out, undermining #NASA's leadership in space.

>>16753144
>The largest Tesla stockholder votes to give himself billions

Well, no one could have seen that coming. Fug dividends.

>>16753149
Oh the horror of cutting useless programs.

>>16753144
it also caused and exodus of companies leaving Delaware and new company formation in Delaware has gone down like 7% in the last few years

>>16753125
shit. goodbye everyone if uk finally blocks 4chan too. I need to move to china to escape the censorship at this point.

>>16753152
retard

>>16753149
Diversity hires and Old Space relics. Nothing of value was lost. You'll notice New Space isn't exactly scrambling to snap up these "wealth of expertise and dedication" free agents.

>>16753149
this stuff would have more pull with the low iq maga public if it was written in english. the latin reinforces that whole trope of woke demonrat scientists being elitists. they vaguely like the idea of going to space but have no idea what this phrase means.

>>16753149
>per aspera
hmm looks interesting

>>16753167
gets kind of grindy towards the end

I just watched alien romuloid and the planet rings being like solid ice pissed me off
I'm autistic

>>16753177
The frozen clouds on that one planet in Interstellar pisses me off.

>>16753159
Space industry is how you get the rural and suburban retards on board. I grew up in Brevard County and damn near every other kid I went to school with in the 90s had a parent that worked at the cape in some form or fashion. They need to expand the industry around commercial spaceflight. Not just talking about abstract startups based in some gay flyover poophole, but basically just new versions of ksc smattered along the nations coastlines.

https://x.com/StarshipGazer/status/1956841978798444932
>The cryogenic fueling pipe assembly used for Starship 37 static fire testing has been removed from the pad 1 launch mount today and moved to storage in the Sanchez lot. It is expected to be used again for Starship 38 static fire testing after flight 10.

>>16752926
>F-5
>looks inside
>T-38

>>16753243
Youre not allowed to go to space until you have flown a T-38, this is a custom of the planet Earth