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Anonymous No.16759999 >>16760003 >>16760005 >>16760010 >>16760047 >>16760069 >>16760189 >>16760193 >>16760208 >>16760232 >>16761312 >>16761890 >>16762311 >>16762401 >>16764251 >>16765039 >>16767292 >>16767474 >>16767996 >>16768447
>dogs are divided into different "breeds"
>but these two people are considered the same and aren't divided like dogs are and race doesn't exist according to scientists

Can someone explain this to me? This whole "race doesn't exist" thing has only popped up in the last 10-20 years. It honestly feels like something pushed by SJWs and woke people
Anonymous No.16760003 >>16760129 >>16760189 >>16761907 >>16764457 >>16767640
>>16759999 (OP)
After WW2 the UN (UNESCO) declared that the human race was just one race and other opinions went out of favor, as the Nazis, who were enemies of the West, had used these and related arguments to justify killing people.
Of course it is scientifically plausible and feasible to divide humans into several races based on biological differences associated with our environmental zones, just like you would divide closely related wolves or birds. This is indeed a politically motivated double standard.
It likely makes more sense than classifying us based on a strange, shifting mix of nationality, family history and ethno-cultural association.
Anybody who claims otherwise is a fool or disingenuous.
Anonymous No.16760005
>>16759999 (OP)
My guess is that they're divided by something more practical than race.
Anonymous No.16760010 >>16760189
>>16759999 (OP)
You already made this thread
Anonymous No.16760047 >>16760189
>>16759999 (OP)
"Race" is exactly cognate with "breed" in animals and "cultivar"/"landrace" in plants.

It's entirely appropriate and always used among scientists and professionals.
Anonymous No.16760069 >>16760092 >>16760189
>>16759999 (OP)
>Nice quads
>Breeds
Breed is a taxonomic rank equivalent or subordinate to subspecies, for domesticated animals. All taxonomic ranks below species are somewhat arbitrary. The gist of it is that if you take two geographically/artificially isolated populations of the same species, and you can plot their genetics against their geographic/pedigree origins in a confusion matrix, and you get very few false positives and false negatives, these are different subspecies/breeds. The above is subordinate to the ability of members of the two groups in question to produce healthy offspring. This is a simple question for wild animals, but becomes more complicated with domesticated animals. As for my personal opinion, the simple fact is that if somebody has chinky eyes, dark skin, or blonde hair, I can be pretty confident about the geographic location of their ancestral origin, and for that reason, I say that there are different breeds (we are domesticated, after all) of human. Biologists will claim that the genetic variation coinciding with these phenotypical differences is much smaller than what is typically seen in different subspecies. My response is that these categorizations are arbitrary anyways, and that calculating a person's ethnic mix is even more precise.
>Race
Race does exist. Anyone who has unironically says, "race doesn't exist," is at best, a feel-good hippie, and at worst, a pseudointellectual.
Firstly, race is a sociological concept, having more to do with country of origin and ancestry than genetics, although genetics is closely tied to ancestry. In public policy, it has always been used as a basis to endow or deny rights, such as freedom, citizenship, equality, etc. Public policy then makes its way into public consciousness, and sometimes it's the other way around, making a feedback loop.
>The connection
As humans we notice phenotypes, and have historically incorporated them into our race laws. This has fallen out of favor in the civilized world.
Anonymous No.16760092 >>16760094 >>16760159 >>16760163
>>16760069
>Firstly, race is a sociological concept, having more to do with country of origin and ancestry than genetics, although genetics is closely tied to ancestry.
this seems to imply that race semantically maps more closely to nation state one was born in than ethnicity, which in turn implies that "american" is a race
Anonymous No.16760094 >>16760169
>>16760092
As the world gets smaller, and the people become more mixed, this is more so becoming the case, although for much of human history, the two were indistinguishable.
Anonymous No.16760114
i went to georgia and got bullied for being italian
Anonymous No.16760129
>>16760003
Fpbp
Anonymous No.16760159 >>16760169
>>16760092
>this seems to imply that race semantically maps more closely to nation state one was born in than ethnicity
It’s largely true. You could take a DNA sample from a random Indian, Norwegian and Korean and find them more closely related than two African people who look more or less the same
Anonymous No.16760163 >>16760169 >>16764461 >>16767294
>>16760092
To understand race, answer the following question: Are Italians White?
>Yes, when they emigrated to America, they drank from the white fountain , not the colored fountain.
Anonymous No.16760169 >>16760182 >>16760224
>>16760094
Mixing seems good to me.
Source: my father claims he's 7th generation racially pure, my mother is at least 4th generation racially pure of the "same race", and I am pathologically retarded and extremely autistic and a burden to society, my peers, and everyone else.
>>16760159
This implies there's one Eurasian race and multiple African races.
>>16760163
>To understand race, limit yourself to political decisions in this one specific country at this one specific time.
OK.
Anonymous No.16760182 >>16760191
>>16760169
Haha you really are autistic. The point of that example is that race is relative to the specifics of the time and country that you're living in. At its most basic, sociology is a study of who's in the "in group," and who's the "other."
Anonymous No.16760189 >>16760193 >>16761283
>>16759999 (OP)>>16760003>>16760010>>16760047>>16760069
>Can all dogs interbreed with each others to produce viable, fertile offspring ?
>Can all humans do it too ?
Anonymous No.16760191
>>16760182
>Haha you really are autistic.
Haha you really are retarded.
>The point of that example is that race is relative to the specifics of the time and country that you're living in.
So you agree that I correctly paraphrased your previous response with
>To understand race, limit yourself to political decisions in this one specific country at this one specific time.
>At its most basic, sociology is a study of who's in the "in group," and who's the "other."
And you feel it is important to alienate me, even though we are both Anonymous posters on a retard containment website.

Well, I guess I made you laugh, which means I added joy to the world by being myself. Thank you for alleviating my depression and making life seem a tiny bit more worth living, even if it is only by making idiots laugh.
Anonymous No.16760193 >>16761283
>>16760189 >>16759999 (OP)
Anonymous No.16760208
>>16759999 (OP)
it's great to not hesitate, to ask questions, to learn new things in scientific fields, I feel like you're different, just be yourself and keep it up anon
Anonymous No.16760224
>>16760169
>This implies there's one Eurasian race and multiple African races
Depending on how you group it there could be. Any lines drawn between genetic groups will be completely arbitrary, as is the case with all taxonomy
Anonymous No.16760228 >>16760268
It's just dogma.
Something everyone believes in that doesn't "need" truth.
You will be excommunicated by the church if you go deny it.
Anonymous No.16760232 >>16762397
>>16759999 (OP)
>guise /pol/ brainrot thread? let's have a /pol/ brainrot thread guise

imagine bumping this "thread"
Anonymous No.16760268 >>16761198
>>16760228
>Data is racist.png
This "data" is not racist in itself, if you really understand what it means... , it is not a data, but part of it..
Questions are essential for growth anon, so keep it up and try to gain more and more knowledge
Anonymous No.16761198 >>16762073
>>16760268
If you interpret the data truthfully and it goes against church dogma you will be severely punished.
Be forewarned.
Anonymous No.16761283 >>16761907 >>16762228 >>16764043
>>16760189
>>16760193
Maybe you should stop and consider that a “biology for kids” graphic isn’t entirely accurate. Modern humans are all the same species, but there are hundreds of examples of fertile hybrids. Reticulated pythons and Burmese pythons aren’t even in the same genus and they produce fertile offspring
Anonymous No.16761312 >>16761314 >>16761507
>>16759999 (OP)
Which race is this lady?

It's not that genome varies with geographical boundaries, it's that the traditional taxonomy (i.e. "white", "black", "asian" etc, fits poorly with the actual distribution.
Anonymous No.16761314
>>16761312
*not that genome doesnt vary
Anonymous No.16761507 >>16761981
>>16761312
white?
Anonymous No.16761890 >>16761948
>>16759999 (OP)
These two women are considered the exact same race by white supremacists and they look like this.
Anonymous No.16761907 >>16768549
>>16760003
>>16761283
Ernst Mayr's idea of species as reproductively isolated groups of animals is useful for illustrating speciation, but taxonomically inaccurate, as taxonomists have, over the past century or so, collectively decided that this approach lacks descriptive power for reality.
This is how science is done.
Dying on the hill that we are all the same species is ridiculous either way. We classify each other just the same, we merely use different ethnic terms: European, Caucasian, white, African, Negro, black - which ironically change every couple years based on peoples childish sensitivities.
Regardless of how we classify people, even if we were to classify humanity as Homo sapiens africanus, europaeus, asiaticus, etc -
What would it change? Nothing. People would all be the same as they are now.
I pity you who will not look beyond such categories. I pity you who fear what might happen if we say race, instead of color or ethnicity.
For it is clear to me that you would be unable to see a man for a man, if only we would change some words. Maybe you've never seen them as men and you're only pretending.
You are the true racists. You need us all to be one race, because you never stopped wanting to kill and mistreat anything different from yourselves.
The concepts of respect, mutuality, mindfulness and cooperation do not exist in your minds.
You couldn't leave your hands off Africa, not back then, not now, not in the future. If Africans were a different race, and if they were unable to match European civilization, you hylics would want to kill them all.

But what do I care arguing in this thread. You will never see beyond your pathetic sensitivities.
You care not about truth or science. You simply use it as a tool to win debates, in order to justify your feelings. Avoiding all spiritual growth, every decision is made before you ever begin rationalizing it.
Even the supposedly most advanced humans alive are sad and pathetic animals.
Anonymous No.16761948
>>16761890
based
there's only two races
dysgenic and eugenic humans
Anonymous No.16761981 >>16762077 >>16762267
>>16761507
Damn straight, and it's your duty to sex her, out of racial solidarity, wh*te boi
Hitler said so
Anonymous No.16762073 >>16762182
>>16761198
>If you interpret the data truthfully and it goes against church dogma you will be severely punished.
You didn't understand anything. This data is not racist at all, anon, and there's no dogma. They're literally talking about "science" population studies. Where's the conspiracy ?
>Be forewarned.
What do you mean ?
Anonymous No.16762077
>>16761981
???
Anonymous No.16762182 >>16762383
>>16762073
NTA but what's a science population study? Like how does that work?
Anonymous No.16762228 >>16762238 >>16766794
>>16761283
Hello anon, i did called it "Biology for kids" and it's not important, before everything that's a great response, but in our case all Humans subspecies are actualy dead or extinct, here is some examples the well known Homo-Neanderthalensis a Human species just like the Homo Denisova or the Homo Floresiensis, all killed and great replaced by the chad Homo Sapiens anon. So have a good day
Anonymous No.16762238
>>16762228
Waste of syntax.
Anonymous No.16762267
>>16761981
>Marina
The only reason I didn't want to have kids with her is because she told Brian Flanagan that I was fucking her. Just opt out of whatever circle you're in and, always make it smaller, and you'll be fine.
Anonymous No.16762311 >>16762325 >>16762390 >>16762593
>>16759999 (OP)
Gorillas with FST distance of 7% are separate subspecies, but humans with 30% are considered "the same". It's ideological bullshit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixation_index
Anonymous No.16762325 >>16762336
>>16762311
Did Columbus fuck a gorilla and make it a mestizo? No. So your measure obviously doesn't work lol.
Anonymous No.16762336 >>16762340
>>16762325
The measure is between Gorilla type 1 and G t 2.
And between human group 1 and h g 2.

Gorilla-human would, if comparable at all, yield far higher deviations than either of those.
Anonymous No.16762340 >>16762348
>>16762336
So since that doesn't work, isn't it time to reëxamine your priors?
Anonymous No.16762348 >>16762363
>>16762340
I thought you just didn't grasp the concept
Now I think you're trolling
Anonymous No.16762356
If the DNA structure is completely different, this might cause problems for the same reason why multiplying a 3x5 with a 6x4 matrix is problematic. I think, in the former case you can still do it though
Anonymous No.16762363 >>16762368
>>16762348
https://youtu.be/py2Kx4Amwhc
I'm not, are you? Why can we fuck babies into americans but we can't fuck babies into gorillas?
Anonymous No.16762368 >>16762371
>>16762363
I don't understand what you mean. Gorillas have 48 chromosomes, humans 46. Differing chromosome count is often the reason why infertility between different ancestry groups occurs.
Anonymous No.16762371 >>16762382
>>16762368
>Gorillas with FST distance of 7% are separate subspecies, but humans with 30% are considered "the same". It's ideological bullshit.
This is the post I replied to.
Anonymous No.16762382 >>16762385
>>16762371
No, you replied to 2348
Your greentexted quote is 2311
Anyway, the answer is in 2368
Maybe you wanted to type Black and typed American instead; it's not really clear what your question was
Anonymous No.16762383 >>16762388
>>16762182
Hello anon, to begin with i love your interest in learning its a very valuable thing. So a science population study, is a scientific investigation that examines the characteristics, healt outcomes, behaviors, or exposures of a specific group of individuals to understand patterns, causes or effect of certain phenomena. These stuides are common in fields like public health, epidemiology, sociology, and environmental science.
Anonymous No.16762385 >>16762392
>>16762382
My reply is to
>Gorillas with FST distance of 7% are separate subspecies, but humans with 30% are considered "the same". It's ideological bullshit.
Anything else is a distraction. Stop distracting, just say something you believe, anything.
Anonymous No.16762387 >>16762389
And, as said in 2336, FST values are only useful if you specify between which groups they've been measured. Gorillas don't have a FST of 7%. They have a FST of 7% with *other* Gorillas, but not with humans.
Anonymous No.16762388 >>16762405
>>16762383
Is that like a "poll" where you call old people who answer the telephone?
Anonymous No.16762389 >>16762396
>>16762387
What are you saying that means in terms of humans?
Anonymous No.16762390 >>16762393
>>16762311
Anon did you go to school ?
Anonymous No.16762392 >>16762395
>>16762385
I think some of your load-bearing neurons might no longer be load-bearing? Amyway, it's fine.
Anonymous No.16762393 >>16762408
>>16762390
I'm not him but please stop using that logic. It makes one vomit one's guts out lol.
Anonymous No.16762395 >>16762404
>>16762392
Just tell me why I can fuck a baby into an Amercian but not a Gorilla.
Anonymous No.16762396 >>16762400
>>16762389
A difference between two groups cannot be a property attached to a single group. It's a value calcalated by performing a mathematical operation over two groups.
Anonymous No.16762397
>>16760232
i thought i was on /pol/ lol
Anonymous No.16762400
>>16762396
So your cousin is a gorilla but if you fuck your sister it works.
Anonymous No.16762401 >>16762403
>>16759999 (OP)
There's very little scientific benefit to studying different "breeds" of human, when compared to the benefits of studying different races of human.
Anonymous No.16762403 >>16762412 >>16762414
>>16762401
Such as? I'm here for a while. What's the benefit of studying races?
Anonymous No.16762404
>>16762395
NTA but because there's a chromosomal mismatch, obviously.
Anonymous No.16762405 >>16762418
>>16762388
You're talking about the pic or something else ?
Anonymous No.16762408
>>16762393
you're right anon
Anonymous No.16762412 >>16762421
>>16762403
For example, the prevalence of sickle cell trait in African Americans. We don't need to pinpoint the genetically isolated groups from thousands of years ago that they belong to, we just need to tell black people to be informed.
Anonymous No.16762414 >>16762421
>>16762403
What's the benefit of not expanding knowledge?

To answer your question, it's tremendously important in some areas of medicine (bone narrow transplant), criminology (DNA data), archeology (reconstructing history and migrations) and biology and indvidualized biotech therapies.
Anonymous No.16762418 >>16762428 >>16762438
>>16762405
I'm proactively denying science about any large population. How do you do that? I don't believe that population science is real.
Anonymous No.16762421 >>16762428 >>16762436
>>16762412
Or we don't. Who cares? Why do you care?
>>16762414
Why is it tremendously important to know about that? Does it affect you?
Anonymous No.16762428 >>16762432
>>16762418
>>16762421
Your garbage posts do affect me personally, yes.
Anonymous No.16762432
>>16762428
Does it affect you in the back of your throat, or somewhere else?
Anonymous No.16762436 >>16762440
>>16762421
It's not about me, but you should ask yourself why you care
Anonymous No.16762438 >>16762443
>>16762418
I don't know you but our DNA is 99% similar compared to any other species, we are from the same family, so even if you think differently I will always love you my cousin.
Anonymous No.16762440 >>16762442
>>16762436
I care because I love you unrequitedly. Why don't you love me the same way?
Anonymous No.16762442 >>16762444
>>16762440
Why are you lying faggot?
Anonymous No.16762443
>>16762438
You obviously understand what love is and I love you back for it. So if you had a piece in your pants and you saw a homeless guy next to your house who was about to kill your cat, would you brain the homeless guy to save your cat or would you let your cat die because the homeless guy is a human?
Anonymous No.16762444
>>16762442
About what? Lying about what? What do you think I'm lying about?
Anonymous No.16762450
https://youtu.be/BwoFp_YoEwQ
This is British media lol.
Anonymous No.16762531
https://youtu.be/JjTHr-J74js
Anonymous No.16762593 >>16762655
>>16762311
There are many animals (e.g Cod, Stickleback, Willow Warblers, White Tailed Deer, domesticated dog, etc etc) with FST around 0.4 within the same subspecies
Anonymous No.16762655 >>16762720 >>16762898
>>16762593
Wikipedia says:
>The sticklebacks are a family of ray-finned fishes, the Gasterosteidae which have a Holarctic distribution in fresh, brackish and marine waters.

>FishBase recognises 16 species in the family, grouped in five genera.[4] However, several of the species have a number of recognised subspecies, and the taxonomy of the family is thought to be in need of revision.

>Genus (/ˈdʒiːnəs/; pl.: genera /ˈdʒɛnərə/) is a taxonomic rank above species and below family
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stickleback

So, sticklebacks are not just classified as 16 different species, but also 5 different genera. "Unification" happens only on the family level. Compare that with humans, who officially are one species. So, with several subspecies, 16 different species and five genera, I doubt the validity of your claim that within the SAME subspecies there are FST differences of 40% and above. Do you have a source for this?
>The average pond pairwise FSTs was 0.084 (Seymour et al., 2013), and we use here use pond pairwise FSTs from Seymour et al. (2013) as a measure of neutral genetic divergence.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6662300/
The other animals I did not look up. And also, outliers do not matter, you'd need to collect data about the medium FST difference between animals classified as different (sub)species, because if your claim invalidates mine, then mine (different subspecues in nature begin with 7%) invalidates yours. Only the medium percentage has any authority here.
Anonymous No.16762661 >>16762898
>https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6662300/
The 8% figure refers to Gasterosteus aculeatus, a species. Whether the data of these fish also come from the same subspecies is not specified, I think.
Anonymous No.16762720 >>16762722 >>16762898
>>16762655
Well, specifically it's the threespine stickleback that has FST 0.3-0.4. Lucky you, now you get to do more research
Anonymous No.16762722 >>16762757 >>16762898
>>16762720
No source
And it's 0.08, see above
And you said "within a subspecies", but the threespine stickleback is a species
Anonymous No.16762757 >>16762898 >>16763236 >>16763241
>>16762722
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4499166
The Threespine Stickleback is a species but without recognized subspecies. So effectively (for our purposes, as defined by you) a single subspecies. The >0.3 FST is measured between lake and stream populations.
Anonymous No.16762898 >>16763143
>>16762757
>>16762722
>>16762720
>>16762661
>>16762655
How does any of this matter to the OP? Race absolutely does not exist and never will, apart from legal formalities, because it was conjured up as a legal construct so that European colonies wouldn't be obliged to settle tribal disputes, in their own courts, between the big mess of satellite natives who were attracted to them.
Anonymous No.16763143 >>16763230
>>16762898
For one thing, OP confused race with breed.
>Race doesn't exist apart from legal formalities
Are you retarded?
Anonymous No.16763230 >>16763334
>>16763143
>confused race with breed.
Are you retarded?
Anonymous No.16763236
>>16762757
But if there are nobsubspecies, but the within-species difference is 0.3, wouldn't it make sense to define subspecies?

See the wiki link and the post above:
>and the taxonomy of the family is thought to be in need of revision.

In the end, you'd need to compare it to other species and how they, on average, are defined. As well as use other classificators, like whether you can visually distinguish them. In the end, arbitrary categories but continuous metrics matter.
Anonymous No.16763241 >>16763295
>>16762757
But if there are no subspecies, but the within-species difference is 0.3, wouldn't it make sense to define subspecies?

See the wiki link and the post above:
>and the taxonomy of the family is thought to be in need of revision.

In the end, you'd need to compare it to other species and how they, on average, are defined. And use other classificators, like whether you can visually distinguish subgroups with high confidence. In the end, not arbitrary categories but continuous metrics matter.
Anonymous No.16763249
At what FST (fixation value) are populations usually divided into different taxonomic categories?
.
GPT-5 mini
There’s no single universally accepted FST cutoff, but commonly used rough thresholds are:

FST < 0.05 — little genetic differentiation (usually same population/species)
0.05–0.15 — moderate differentiation (often considered same species/subspecies)
0.15–0.25 — great differentiation (may support subspecies or distinct population)
FST > 0.25 — very great differentiation (often cited as supporting distinct species or highly structured populations)
In taxonomic practice people sometimes treat FST ≈ 0.15–0.25 as the region where populations may be considered separate subspecies and values above ≈0.25 as strong evidence for distinct taxonomic units, but decisions also weigh ecology, morphology, behavior, reproductive isolation, and sampling/marker choice.
Anonymous No.16763254
So, FST+behavior+morphology needs to be considered (makes sense: if you'd breed two human groups of the same ethnic group, one to be 80 IQ with brown hair and brown eyes and extroverted and one to be 120 IQ with blond hair and blue eyes and introverted, then FST differences would be negligible, but outcome and group behavior and morphology would be vastly different).
Anonymous No.16763259
So, FST+behavior+morphology needs to be considered (makes sense: if you'd breed two human groups based on the same ethnic (european) starting group, one to be 80 IQ with brown hair and brown eyes and extroverted and one to be 120 IQ with blond hair and blue eyes and introverted, then FST differences would be negligible, but outcome and group behavior and morphology would be vastly different).
Anonymous No.16763295 >>16763360 >>16764350 >>16764365 >>16767372 >>16768556
>>16763241
Claim:
>It's ideological bullshit.
Not necessarily, see: e.g. this fish. QED

Also, bear in mind that the mentioned 30% FST is from odd comparisons like west african to guinean, and that the difference these faggots care about - between le lowly nigger and le based arvan - there, the FST is around ~15%, pic related
Anonymous No.16763334 >>16763346
>>16763230
Op literally used race and breed interchangeably. If you're implying that they're the same thing, and furthermore, are implying that they only exist as some legal formality, then you're either retarded or trolling.
Anonymous No.16763346 >>16763349
>>16763334
Same thing back at you.
Anonymous No.16763349 >>16763406
>>16763346
Why even come to this thread, where op is trying to understand science, and bring your white guilt unscientific bullshit?
Anonymous No.16763360 >>16763411 >>16764365 >>16767411
>>16763295
So if we're the same race, racism and racist policies cannot and will never exist then? Denying the existence of race is a small price to pay for this salvation. We are free, boyos.
Anonymous No.16763406
>>16763349
Yes, why would you do that?
Anonymous No.16763411 >>16764199 >>16764201 >>16764205
>>16763360
Race is literally a legal device we invented so we wouldn't have to waste time and money to adjudicate natives killing each other.
Anonymous No.16764043 >>16764050 >>16764162 >>16764367
>>16761283
no one is arguing humans aren't all the same species except dumb wignats. We are only stating reality plainly: there is genetic clustering within humans.

this is why every non integer trait has different averages between the clusters(races).

As a simple cognitive dissonance test, I challenge anyone here to explain why different races have varying heights on average, and then make their argument against the existence of the racial IQ gap
Anonymous No.16764050
>>16764043
Why would you group blacks as blacks and whites as whites in the first place? Where did that argument come from and why are you obsessed with retrofitting shit into it?
Anonymous No.16764162 >>16764183 >>16764268 >>16767220 >>16768214 >>16768220
>>16764043
>the “racial” IQ gap
First of all, you're an anon with powerful rhetorical capacity, and that's pretty rare out there.
IQ tests are legitimate for evaluating specific cognitive traits and have practical uses, but they are not an infallible gauge of overall intelligence or potential, we cannot actually measure intelligence in its entirety.

A person's height is a straightforward, objective, and a universally defined physiological trait measured in standard units cm for me. It’s one dimensional.
And if you acknowledge that the Flynn effect (massive environmental gains causing IQ to rise globally) is real, you cannot then argue that current gaps between groups must be primarily genetic, especially when those groups live under vastly different environmental conditions.

Furthermore, there are no "IQ genes" that are “race”specific. While studies have identified many genes associated with educational attainment and cognitive function, these genes are found in all human populations. Their frequency varies only slightly; there are no known "smart genes" that exist exclusively in one population and are absent in others. The small average differences are merely shifts in the frequency of common genes across huge, diverse populations.

In a nutshell, the argument for a genetic racial “IQ” gap fails on multiple fronts: historical context, ongoing environmental factors, test validity, population genetics, neuroscience, and basic logic. The scientific consensus is clear: observed average differences in IQ scores between racial groups are best explained by environmental, social, and historical factors, not genetics.
Anonymous No.16764183 >>16764190 >>16764209
>>16764162
Why are pygmies black but also a bunch of tall, fast, mountain blacks are black?
Anonymous No.16764190 >>16764193 >>16764209
>>16764183
Pygmys are much backer than the mountain blacks
Anonymous No.16764193
>>16764190
The mountain blacks are literally white according to US census law.
Anonymous No.16764199 >>16764203 >>16764255
>>16763411
Race is literally self evident
Anonymous No.16764201 >>16764207
>>16763411
Absolutely
Anonymous No.16764203 >>16764205
>>16764199
No shit. So why is there a whole industry about it with fake science and all when you can just use your eyes?
Anonymous No.16764205 >>16764208
>>16763411
>>16764203
The legal codification of race was a device invented to create a social and economic hierarchy that justified slavery, colonial expansion, and the dispossession of Native peoples, thereby avoiding the need to extend to them the legal and moral considerations granted to immoral settlers.
Anonymous No.16764207
>>16764201
And we should go back to that. Let other races kill themselves and let them adjudicate it in their own courts.
Anonymous No.16764208 >>16764213
>>16764205
Slavery predated race.
Anonymous No.16764209 >>16764212
>>16764183
>>16764190
What is it about ?
Anonymous No.16764212 >>16764214 >>16764253
>>16764209
It's just funny that a bunch of short people that eat each other are put in the same group as a bunch of tall people who eat the marathon.
Anonymous No.16764213
>>16764208
True
Anonymous No.16764214 >>16764220
>>16764212
Cool
Anonymous No.16764220 >>16764253
>>16764214
Maybe
Anonymous No.16764251
>>16759999 (OP)
>dogs are divided into different "breeds"
Which are arbitrary. Most breeds today don't look like their ancestral ones and every dog today genetically descended from a pack of domesticated Asian wolves from SEA that moved west.
Anonymous No.16764253 >>16764260
>>16764220
>>16764212
>racial theory
Read the whole thread anon, that’s perfectly fine to question things, but can't reply rn, need to sleep
Anonymous No.16764255 >>16764265 >>16764274
>>16764199
Not really. How you define race and how others do can and does extremely vary. You think an urban Japanese and a Chinese guy share the same takes and framework?
Anonymous No.16764260
>>16764253
>racial theory
is literally what I said,
Race was a category we invented to ignore other people's crimes on the grounds that they should settle their own beefs in their own distinct legal systems. That's a very tolerant goal. It's now a category mostly used by one fraction of the descendants of the tolerant people to abuse another fraction.
No other theory (that isn't stupid) exists.
Anonymous No.16764265 >>16764266 >>16764350
>>16764255
No one defines race as the difference between an island city chink and a farmed han chink.
Anonymous No.16764266 >>16764267 >>16764275 >>16764350
>>16764265
A lot of the Chinese research on development and Healthcare focus on urban and rural outcomes. Also the Chinese don't view race the same do weatenes do, like wise with the Japanese.
Anonymous No.16764267
>>16764266
Lol what.
Anonymous No.16764268 >>16764300 >>16764372 >>16767414
What sort of person makes this >>16764162 post?
Are you trolling or genuinely retarded?
All anti racial IQ gap people are refuted by a simple thought experiment:
Raise a puppy as a human baby, observe it if miraculously attains human level awareness and intelligence.
Obviously this can’t happen because intelligence is significantly influenced by genetic.

As so many traits varies between races due to genetics, most of these have good environmental explanations, and we know beyond doubt intelligence is strongly genetic; why wouldn’t the race gap in intelligence (or whatever metric you’ve measured it with, don't start this quibbling nonsense) be due to genetics?

The burden of proof isn’t on the race realists, it’s on the marxists to demonstrate that race intelligence gaps are not due to genetics.
Anonymous No.16764274
>>16764255
Splitting hairs.
Anonymous No.16764275 >>16764277 >>16764350
>>16764266
>the Chinese don't view race the same do weatenes do
What's your precise claim here? Chinese thought on race has been heavily influenced by westerners like Darwin, etc., it's part of why Mao stayed nationalist instead of joining the Soviets in an internationalist order. Any Chinese person I've talked to about race had pretty standard early 20th century westerner ideas on the subject with an extra disdain for specific subraces of jungle asians and so forth.
Anonymous No.16764277
>>16764275
There's obviously no precise claim there, it's a chink chinking.
Anonymous No.16764300
>>16764268
I shouldn't have used the term 'races' when talking about humans, even if I was using the social version of the term. Sorry about that, anon.
>it’s on the marxist to demonstrate that race intelligence gaps are not due to genetics.
Maybe, but we all know that a butterfly cannot do rhetoric right..?
Anonymous No.16764350
>>16764275
>>16764266
>>16764265
Race literally is in the eye of the beholder. The beholder is specifically the laws and public consciousness of a society. So while to you, an American, the Japanese and Chinese are both subcategories of Asians, to them, and to other societies around the world, it's not the same. For example, a Brit would lump in middle easterners and Indians into the categorization of "Asian". So who's classification makes more sense? Obviously us Americans' right, because Middle Easterners and Indians don't have narrow eyes? Or do the Brits have it right, because the continent of Asia includes India and the Middle East? The answer is that in our respective societies, we're both right.
>But that isn't very scientific! You changed the categorization to of a person depending on the society of the categorizer.
Exactly. That is the very definition of race. It is a sociological term, not a biological one. You must be thinking of "breed," "subspecies," or "ethnicity."
>So who has the right definition of "Asian" according to that?
Neither. "Asian" is too massive to be a subspecies, as shown by the guy posting FST matrices.>>16763295
We can talk about the "Han Chinese" ethnicity, or the "Arab Levantine" subspecies, but the only scientific thing that we can say about Asians (American perspective) as a whole, is to draw a massive circle on a map, point to it, and say "the people who originated in this circle all have eyes that look narrow because of their eyelid folds, while the rest of us don't." This is not a very meaningful conclusion on its own, which is why race is generally ignored in the sciences.
Anonymous No.16764365
>>16763360
The traditional "races" you have grown up obsessed with CLEARLY do not map to the image in >>16763295

You can deal with it, or sperge out and say a lot of nonsence and non-sequiturs, like you did just now
Anonymous No.16764367 >>16764377 >>16764590
>>16764043
>there is genetic clustering within humans
This is self-evident from the observation that people have almond eyes in asia, etc. No one disputes that.
>racial IQ gap
IQ is junk science, see >>16762671
Anonymous No.16764372
>>16764268
I was talking about humans anon
Anonymous No.16764377 >>16764380
>>16764367
well that's it, i guess we need infinity brown people in white people societies now
Anonymous No.16764380
>>16764377
No you're perfectly entitled to take the political position of being against immigration without having to debase yourself into believing in Junk science. There are many reasons why immigration might be bad, especially in the short-to-mid term. Many incompatible set of social rules and expectations leading to uncertainty and more risk-averse, "selfish" behaviors in the population writ large, is an obvious one.
DoctorGreen !DRgReeNusk No.16764457
>>16760003
>who were enemies of the West
the concept of the "West' is a dead meme
DoctorGreen !DRgReeNusk No.16764461
>>16760163
>>Yes, when they emigrated to America
murrican moment. lmao
Anonymous No.16764590 >>16764591 >>16764605 >>16765017 >>16768427
>>16764367
>IQ is junk science despite it predicting/correlating with everything to do with human intelligence
Kill yourself retard
Anonymous No.16764591 >>16764592
>>16764590
Source: muh dick
Anonymous No.16764592 >>16764597 >>16764605 >>16765053
>>16764591
You will find any study on the subject to lead to the same result.
Anonymous No.16764597
>>16764592
Source: again, muh dick
Anonymous No.16764605
>>16764590
>>16764592
We have access to papers so drop your best doi and let's see the methods.
Anonymous No.16765017
>>16764590
Literally in the post you're replying to, you proved him right
>Now, can you think of a way to test how susceptible IQ tests are to training effects, motivation, knowledge about test design, incentives, etc? You can, right? It's not hard at all. All we have to do is to design empirical trials where we provide test subjects with knowledge about how the test works, we let them practice, we give them incentives, and then we observe how the test results were affected.
>Are you aware of any IQ proponents that have performed such studies? No, you're not, are you. What do they do instead? They refer to various types of statistical studies and mathematical statistical methods, right? But as any masters student can tell you, statistics, especially with literally millions of uncontrolled variables, yield infinitely less reliable results than controlled experiments.
Anonymous No.16765039
>>16759999 (OP)
>accorsing to scientists
academia is not a hive mind. There may sometimes be a more or less pronounced concensus. But there is no univeral 'according to [all] scientists'.
That being said I agree that sometimes a phenomenon becomes aparent where some concensus in the scientific community is formed surprisingly quickly and is challenged surprisingly little.
All of those instances seem to be pertaining questions that are also a debate in geberal society and are no stranger to purely moralizing 'argumentation'.
That being said in my view the question is merely one of semantics and if anything is of interest to the field of linguistics. As a STEM person I know very little about linguistics but as a layman I believe that it is natural for a communicative being, like man, to invent terms or more widely symbols, that serve to generalize when commonalities and differences are naturally obvious to members of its species. I also believe that in case of 'race' this is applicable to the human species, ie, I believe, as a layman and absent proof, that if you showed a picture of a number of people of various races but containing several indiciduals of each race present, to a human of arbitary age and from arbitary walks of life, and ask the subject to group the subject depicted intuitively, the grouping will most likely always include the following differentiations:
Gender
Age
Race.
Again: I speculate that a species that uses language will always come up with words for common differentiations that naturally occur to them. Training individuals to not use the word they learned will merely lead to replacement with another, like 'phenotype'. From there on a never ending cycle of reality clashing with utopia will become evident in the continuous invention and abandonment of words for the phenomenon that is nothing but a mental concept but a natural mental concept and incites moralizing discourse.
Also OP is of a phenotype characterized through abundant melatonine for /pol/.
Anonymous No.16765053
>>16764592
KEK mfw people have negative income.
Also. I'm surprised the >115 IQ group, which should include some beyond functional high IQ instances, doesn't extend a bit further to the left than the others. After all if youre spergy enough everything is possible.
Anonymous No.16766794 >>16766937
>>16762228
Cheddar Man did not look like that.
Anonymous No.16766838
They found a living descendent of Cheddar Man living half a mile away. 300 generations.
Anonymous No.16766937 >>16766943
>>16766794
Anonymous No.16766943 >>16767030
>>16766937
Anonymous No.16767030 >>16767047
>>16766943
I saw that article too, and it's a classic case of a headline wildly overstating a real scientific discovery.The fossil itself is cool, but the conclusion that it "rewrites the story of humanity" or that our origins are in Europe is completely misleading.Here's why the overwhelming evidence still places our origins squarely in Africa.
Genetic Proof, our closest living relatives are chimpanzees, bonobos, and gorillas.All of them are exclusively African species.The entire genetic family tree of our closest relatives is rooted in Africa.This is the single strongest piece of evidence that our last common ancestor with them also lived there.
The Unbroken Fossil Record in Africa: All fossils that are unquestionably on the human branch of the family tree (after we split from chimps) are found only in Africa for millions of years.
Key ancestors like:
Sahelanthropus (7 Million years old )
Ardipithecus (4.4 million years old)
"Lucy"(Australopithecus 3.2 million years old)
Early Homo (2.8 million years old ).

Are all exclusively African.This creates an unbroken chain of evidence in Africa that the article completely ignores.It Confuses Two Different "Origins" the article conflates the origin of a pre-ape lineage with the origin of humanity.Even if this Turkish ape was part of the group that migrated into Africa 9 million years ago, it was just an ape. All of the traits that actually make us human bipedalism, large brains, complex tool use evolved in Africa, long after that migration happened.
In short, the headline is clickbait. The real scientific consensus, backed by genetics and decades of fossils, remains unchanged:
The human story began in Africa.
Anonymous No.16767047 >>16767082 >>16767086
>>16767030
Clearly 80,000 years is time enough for significant specializations to emerge in different populations in vastly different environments with different selection pressures.
Anonymous No.16767082 >>16767091
>>16767047
Your point about 80000 years is a complete red herring and demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of the timescales involved.You're confusing minor population adaptations with the creation of entirely new evolutionary lineages.The human and chimpanzee lineages diverged 7-9 million years ago.That is over 100 times longer than the 80000-year period you're citing.
If 80000 years is enough for the "significant specializations" you mention within a single species (like skin pigmentation or lactose tolerance), then 7 million years is more than enough time for two separate lineages on different continents to evolve into completely different families of apes.
This is exactly what the fossil record shows.The apes in Europe evolved and went extinct there.The apes that migrated to Africa had millions of years of separate evolution to develop into gorillas, chimpanzees, and humans.
Your argument doesn't support the article's claim: it actually destroys it.. The fact that evolution can operate on these scales means there is zero need to look for a direct European ancestor for humanity.The African apes had more than enough time to evolve all their unique traits and ours in Africa after their ancestors arrived from Eurasia.
In short, you're using evidence for how evolution works to argue against how evolution works. The "cradle of humanity" remains in Africa because that's where every single piece of unambiguous evidence genetic and fossil places the entire multi-million year journey from ape to human.
Anonymous No.16767084 >>16767132
This is the dude responsible for cultural relativism and le race is a social construct meme

And yes, he is
Anonymous No.16767086 >>16767091
>>16767047
Your point about 80000 years is a complete red herring and demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of the timescales involved.You're confusing minor population adaptations with the creation of entirely new evolutionary lineages.The human and chimpanzee lineages diverged 7-9 million years ago.That is over 100 times longer than the 80000-year period you're citing.
If 80000 years is enough for the "significant specializations" you mention within a single species (like skin pigmentation or lactose tolerance), then 7 million years is more than enough time for two separate lineages on different continents to evolve into completely different families of apes.
This is exactly what the fossil record shows.The apes in Europe evolved and went extinct there.The apes that migrated to Africa had millions of years of separate evolution to develop into gorillas, chimpanzees, and humans.
Your argument doesn't support the article's claim: it actually destroys it. The fact that evolution can operate on these scales means there is zero need to look for a direct European ancestor for humanity.The African apes had more than enough time to evolve all their unique traits and ours in Africa after their ancestors arrived from Eurasia.
In short, you're using evidence for how evolution works to argue against how evolution works. The "cradle of humanity" remains in Africa because that's where every single piece of unambiguous evidence genetic and fossil places the entire multi-million year journey from ape to human.
Anonymous No.16767091 >>16767116
>>16767082
>>16767086
Using ChatGPT to write your arguments is very poor form.
Anonymous No.16767116
>>16767091
Accusing me of using chatgpt because you can't rebut the evidence is the most transparent form of intellectual surrender. It's a cheap, ad hominem tactic you're using to avoid the humiliating fact that your entire argument just imploded.
You are factually wrong, and you know it, your attempt to use 80000 years to explain a 7-million-year divergence wasn't a clever point
you have abandoned the debate because you lost. No counter for the genetic proof linking us to African apes. No explanation for the unbroken chain of hominin fossils found only in Africa.
Utterly the definition of a bad-faith argument, because you cannot defend your own failed position. It's pathetic,the evidence remains untouched, the consensus of science remains unchanged. Your attempt to rewrite human origins with a single article has been destroyed not by an AI, but by basic, undisputed facts,the floor is yours, either present a substantive, evidence-based rebuttal to the points about genetics and the fossil record, or concede that your entire premise is nonsense.

No more childish diversions..
Anonymous No.16767131 >>16767139
Someone is using a bot to police wrongthink in an obscure thread on 4chan. Pathetic, really. You even posted the exact same thing twice and then deleted one in a hurry.
Anonymous No.16767132
>>16767084
You know you’re wrong but, expending your intellect on matters long since debunked appears to be your favored pastime, esteemed mind that you are.
Anonymous No.16767139
>>16767131
I simply forgot to include a pic, no need to think it’s a plot.
Anonymous No.16767220 >>16767317 >>16767321 >>16767467
>>16764162
>Furthermore, there are no "IQ genes" that are “race”specific

No, that is not correct. Firstly, your initial blunder is not understanding that intelligence, like height, is a complex trait. The races share pretty much all the same 'intelligence' genes.
But they dont share them equally.

Specifically, their frequency is very different in different races. Look up JJ Lee et al study on the years of polygenic prediction of educational attainment using 1.1 million people. The authors even note in the study that the polygenic prediction fails for Africans.

An anonymous geneticist one took it a step further and showed a sample of the disparity in African vs European gene frequencies. The graphs and tables float around here quite commonly.

So there are very different gene frequency pattern differences between the races for intelligence.

Another very commonly referenced complex trait is the variation in height between races. Guess what? The correlation that was derived for the genes that affect Europeans height only works only works for Europeans.

You really need to update your genetics knowledge, ancient anon.
Anonymous No.16767292
>>16759999 (OP)
>humans are like dog breeds
How is sleeping with your cousin working out for you?
Anonymous No.16767294 >>16767315
>>16760163
>Yes, when they emigrated to America, they drank from the white fountain , not the colored fountain.
only after WW2
Anonymous No.16767315 >>16767408
>>16767294
That means that Italians became white in America.
Anonymous No.16767317 >>16767712
>>16767220
Your argument is a classic example of cherry picking scientific facts and stripping them of all context to support a nonsense racialist conclusion.It prouves a fundamental misunderstanding of modern genetics, and the very nature of polygenic scores.You absolutely misunderstood what a polygenic score is your entire premise hinges on the false idea that a polygenic score (PGS) is a direct,absolute measure of genetic "potential."this is categorically wrong.
A PGS is not a genetic thermometer It is a statistical model, built from a genome wide association study (GWAS) here’s what that means: a GWAS looks for tiny genetic markers (SNPs) that are correlated with a trait in a specific population,a PGS then sums up the effect of these markers to create a prediction,
this prediction is based on the genetic architecture and environmental context OF THE SPECIFIC POPULATION IT WAS BUILT ON.This is why (Lee et al) explicitly state: pic related:"Because the discovery sample used to construct the score consisted of individuals of European ancestry, we would not expect the predictive power of our score to be as high in other ancestry groups"they are not describing a biological reality about "African genes."They are describing a statistical artifact known as the "portability problem."
>Guess what?The correlation that was derived for the genes that affect Europeans height only works for europeans.
The average height of populations has changed dramatically over very short periods(South Koreans gaining 6 inches in 50 years),these changes are 100% attributable to environmental factors: improved nutrition, reduced childhood disease, and better healthcare.The European height PGS fails in non-european populations not because those populations lack "height potential" but for the exact same technical reasons listed above(LD, allele frequency, GxC).And if the poor portability of a height PGS does not prove genetic limits for height (because we have direct environmental evidence).
Anonymous No.16767318 >>16767329
Anonymous No.16767321
>>16767220
>update your genetics knowledge
YOU need to understand the basics of statistics and learn to read scientific papers without filtering them through a racist ideology..
Anonymous No.16767329 >>16767333 >>16768384
>>16767318
A striking example of how two individuals can develop distinct alleles due to vastly different environmental pressures:
-The African girl: Adapted to an intensely hot climate with high UV radiation from the sun, leading to genetic traits suited for heat tolerance and UV protection.
-The Asian girl: Adapted to a harsh, cold climate with intense light reflection from snow, influencing genetic traits for cold resistance and enhanced visual acuity for hunting in low-visibility conditions.
Anonymous No.16767333 >>16767338 >>16767363 >>16767372
>>16767329
Do not point those things out, that is racist.
Anonymous No.16767334 >>16767341
Anonymous No.16767335
Anonymous No.16767338 >>16767341 >>16767406 >>16767467 >>16767922 >>16768069 >>16768313
>>16767333
-A gene,anon, is the instruction for a trait
-An allele is a specific version of that instruction.
Example: The Gene for eye color
-The gene is the general set of instructions for producing pigment in the iris of the eye.
-The alleles are the different versions of this gene that exist:
-An allele for brown eyes.
-An allele for blue eyes.
-An allele for green eyes.
A person's eye color is determined by which two alleles they possess for the eye color gene.
Anonymous No.16767341
>>16767334
See >>16767338
Anonymous No.16767363
>>16767333
Nothing is racist, racism is meme, simply because there is only one human race, but it’s genuinely xenophobic and you’re not xenophobic anon im sure of it
Anonymous No.16767372 >>16767406
>>16767333
What "race" taxonomy do you think we should be using, anon, that roughly overlaps with >>16763295?
Anonymous No.16767406 >>16767420 >>16767424 >>16767469
>>16767372
>What taxonomy should we use?
None, stop xenophobia anon.
The only valid taxonomy is that of the human species: Homo Sapiens
There is no "Negroid," "Caucasoid," or "Mongoloid" gene.There are allele frequencies that change gradually from one region to another, an Ethiopian can be genetically closer to a Swede than to a Namibian. See >>16767338
Anonymous No.16767408 >>16767552
>>16767315
They became white after the second world war, but they were non-white prior to it.
Anonymous No.16767411
>>16763360
Racism is a meme guys
Anonymous No.16767414
>>16764268
>Raise a puppy as a human baby, observe it if miraculously attains human level awareness and intelligence.
white puppy or black puppy? surely your results will differ with race, right?
Anonymous No.16767420
>>16767406
So you've given up the pretence that you're interested in science and reverted to spamming le epic jpegs of ugly stupid niggers who "clearly" arent human, then
Anonymous No.16767424 >>16767438 >>16767475
>>16767406
Why should stop using categories and terms that offer communicative value?
Anonymous No.16767438
>>16767424
Because "race realists" have had hundreds of years and still failed to come up with more accurate taxonomies than "white", "nigger" and "chink"?
Anonymous No.16767467 >>16767922
>>16767220
Variation in allele frequency is a basic fact of population genetics and does not imply functional differences or support the concept of "race-specific" genes for complex traits like intelligence, the genes implicated in neurobiology, brain development, and cognitive function are universal human genes; see >>16767338
>Another very commonly referenced complex trait is the variation in height between “races”.Guess what? The correlation that was derived for the genes that affect Europeans height only works for Europeans.
We know why height differences exist: The dramatic increase in average height in certain populations; the Dutch becoming the tallest people on Earth over the last 50 years is overwhelmingly attributed to environmental factors: better childhood nutrition, reduced disease load, and improved healthcare.
Does this mean asians “me” have less "allelic potential" for height? Absolutely not. We have clear, undeniable historical evidence that environment is the primary driver of population-level height differences.
Anonymous No.16767469 >>16767477
>>16767406
FACTS:
Not ONE of the top 100 world rated Universities is run by Black Africans
Not ONE of the world's 500 largest companies is run by Black Africans

You can NOT blame RACISM for 1.5 BILLION people being unable to run ONE world class University or Business.

We ARE the same species, we are NOT the same!
Anonymous No.16767474
>>16759999 (OP)
A collie is infinitely more intelligent compared to a chihuahua. If you look at a map that shows all the iQs around the globe and every white country is 30-40 points ahead of the rest of the wold. Mentally retarded is 75 IQ in the rest of the world.

If you've ever met someone with an iq70 or less than you know the rest of the world is just retarded. All the colonial parts of the world have much higher IQ because white men just wanted some exotic pussy making a hybrid species of humans.

Seriously, 70IQ in all africa, middle east, south america. Someone with that low of an iq cannot feed themselves, make a language, anything. And were suppose to believe that white people are on the same level as those retards.
Anonymous No.16767475
>>16767424
>Why should stop using categories and terms that offer communicative value?
Because of the law and you have love for the people of your own race anon. You love the Jews for example because they are of the same race as you.
Anonymous No.16767477 >>16767482 >>16768068
>>16767469
>We ARE the same species, we are NOT the same!
We aren't though. The blacks, south americans, indians and india and most of china got away with things because they are hybrids, aka a new species.

neanderthal were their own species and we bred them out. Cross species sex can happen and neanderthals are proof of it. Blacks are not whites. Not at fucking all.
Anonymous No.16767482 >>16767501
>>16767477
You should love the jews and stop your nonsense xenophobia idiot
Anonymous No.16767501 >>16767510 >>16767523
>>16767482
Honestly can't tell if this is sarcasm or not. Also, most jews are white as can be. Every white person was a jew at some point in history. Whites are descendents from a long time ago. Shit like the Holocaust came from areas around germany, not the middle east.

at some point in history, probably 2000 years ago, my ancestors were jews. Yours too if you are white. Anyone that says jews are their own race is fucking retarded. It's a religion difference not a biological one.

Fuck indians for trying to migrate to the first world. Same thing for the fucking syrian refugees and white people are just letting these leeches to piggy back off our suffering and hardwork.

Seriously, 70iq from the middle east and africa. They are literally retarded animals that don't know what the fuck is going on around them.
Anonymous No.16767510 >>16767519
>>16767501
I indeed have a close female ancestor who is Jewish, good logic.
Anonymous No.16767519
>>16767510
You missed the point entirely. Your ancestors were jewish 2000 years ago and for a reason that it's back that far. Jews turned into Christians, that's all. It's just a religion, nothing more. Saying you need a jewish mother is the dumbest shit. Germany didn't have to go to the middle east to find jews. They are just white people living in germany, that's it.

I have a feeling this is going to go right over your head.
Anonymous No.16767523 >>16767528 >>16767542 >>16767547 >>16767597
>>16767501
It's in these discord fagets playbook
>once you conclusively lost the discussion, start spamming redpills and "no! you cant say this - it would be mean to the niggers and kikes" responses
Anonymous No.16767528
>>16767523
Be Careful
Anonymous No.16767542 >>16767547 >>16767595 >>16767597
>>16767523
are you fucking retarded? Look at average iqs and notice a really obvious trend.

Your retarded bait isn't going to make you look any smarter. Judging by your reaction you are not white. And then you're going to complain the IQtests weren't made for their region.
Anonymous No.16767547 >>16767684
>>16767542
>>16767523
Because you're in denial, think about this. When was the last time you saw someone that had an iq 70 and below? They are nothing like Forrest Gump. These people literally cannot take care of themselves they are that fucking stupid. No showering, no washing, eating from shit stained hands. These are people you jiggle car keys in front of them and they are having the time of their lives.

you also can't trust china's scores. They cherry pick them and add them to the pool. They are communists retards.
Anonymous No.16767552
>>16767408
Italians visiting any European colony would have been subject to white law for as far back as European colonies existed.
Anonymous No.16767595 >>16767596
>>16767542
>quick spam the redpills with the Richard Lynn scores that have been posted by stormfags for decades
Anonymous No.16767596 >>16767603
>>16767595
If it's taking you 20 years to see the truth then you are a retard, pure and simple. Still ignore all the points I made because you have no counter argument. You're just some retarded brown skin that's hardcore in denial that your heritage don't know how to cook rice.
Anonymous No.16767597 >>16767601 >>16767603
>>16767523
the proof is right here. >>16767542
You live in a gated community and you're just fucking stupid because of it.
Anonymous No.16767601
>>16767597
NTA but "Created with Datawrapper" isn't a source I'd ever care about.
Anonymous No.16767603 >>16767605
>>16767596
>>16767597
Lynns "research" was bankrolled by the grandson of a confederate general, also a segregationist, with the specific goal to prove hereditary human differences... This is well known, but it goes without saying that Lynns findings are extremely popular with stormfags
Anonymous No.16767605 >>16767613
>>16767603
Being a segregationist is renormalized now in our institutions. I disagree with the idea but most people with systemic power think that it's good to segregate minorities into their own dorms and cultures.
Anonymous No.16767613 >>16767616
>>16767605
If it's renormalized maybe you should put a "original research paid for by a renormalized segregationist" in the upper right corner of the jpeg, and have it there everytime you post it as proof of something
Anonymous No.16767616 >>16767617
>>16767613
The only image I've posted in this thread is this one.
Anonymous No.16767617
>>16767616
Awwwww
Anonymous No.16767640 >>16767651
>>16760003
Yes, it's a form of corruption. There's a lot of that kind of stuff in several areas that the general population doesn't expect, people just need to be aware of it and fight it. Denying the truth isn't right. Those who find the need to do that sort of stuff are the biggest racists and cowards.
Anonymous No.16767651
>>16767640
Only problem is that the "truthsayers" are completely uninterested in establishing a modern taxonomy of races. Because it wouldn't have "whites", "niggers" and "jews" in it...
Anonymous No.16767684 >>16767688
>>16767547
Don t confuse retardation with intelligence. The term retard has been used (incorrectly) in a derogatory manner for decades, particularly on this board.

Originally there were six requirements to meet the classification of a retard. Having a significantly lower IQ for your age group’s average is the first requirement. I say for your age group, because a third or fourth grader may have a scholastic IQ of 70, but they wouldn't be classified as retarded.


Also, to be classified as retarded, you also need to fail in adaptive skills, Including not being able to feed yourself, not being able to socially communicate to any depth (empathy esp), not providing basic health care for yourself and behaving in socially inappropriate ways. For most people with mental retardation, limited adaptive skills make ordinary life extremely difficult unless a caring family or social support system exists to provide assistance and structure.

Lastly, in order to meet the current American standard of retardation, these mental manifestations need to occur soon after or at birth. Certainly before the age of eighteen.

At the end of the day “Retardation” is best described as dumb AND not biologically viable for survival. A blithering idiot. A human with a low intelligence, especially in abstract reasoning abilities, is not sufficient to be retarded.

Low IQ people can often perform rote jobs, they can even communicate well socially, albeit only at shallow or topical depths. Very often they cant read or write to any standard and are unable to reason.

Tax returns, the hierarchy of credit scores, insurance and other complexities in a western society can be very difficult, if not impossible for them. A high functioning society would be unlivable for them unless it was benevolent. A low IQ person is also far more likely to resort to crime (as a means of sustaining themselves) in a high functioning society.
Anonymous No.16767688
>>16767684
>the hierarchy of credit scores
Mostly fictional.
Anonymous No.16767712 >>16767733 >>16768069 >>16768082
>>16767317
>this prediction is based on the genetic architecture and environmental context OF THE SPECIFIC POPULATION IT WAS BUILT ON

No argument here. My point is simply that different ‘populations’ have different genetic architectures. So I agree with you. You have, in your own words, just lost your own argument . There are massive genetic differences (‘architectures’ to use your words) between the races. Now layer on Genetics Professors agreeing with me, all the twin studies, the emergence of complex genetic traits, the wealth of trait phenotype that have factored out socioeconomic factors, the absolute stunning lack of achievement in some races and it is obvious there are significant differences in complex traits in humans.

And in reply to your horseshit that everyone is equal and differences are only environmental you have what for a supporting argument ?


>The average height of populations has changed dramatically over very short periods(South Koreans gaining 6 inches in 50 years),these changes are 100% attributable to environmental factors: improved nutrition,

You are proving me correct again. Genetics determines your ultimate potential. Your environment determines how close you get to that potential. Of course environment plays a role. Here is the thing though, Tall people select tall people for sex. Particularly women. Tall is now in vogue in Asia. How can you be so disingenuous to claim its all environmental?

You still get short Koreans. No amount of feeding is going to make them exceed their genetically predetermined height. Sexual selection + better nutrition and of course your average height is going to increase. And no, it doesn’t need to take long at all.

Genetic changes can be due to environmental pressure though. Its called evolution. And its what makes the races different physiologically, mentally and therefore cognitively.

And then we can progress to epigenetics.
Anonymous No.16767733
>>16767712
We've already evolved, no one needs to read a short korean's diary.
Anonymous No.16767922 >>16768148 >>16768391
>>16767467
Lets start with >>16767338;

>A person's eye color is determined by which two alleles they possess for the eye color gene.

Why is this statement junk?

Because eye colors come in continuously varying shades. Two genes will never give enough variation to cover all shades of blue, alone. Think 2 vs 32 bit color.

And a simple check will have shown 24+ alleles are involved:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960982209005971#:~:text=Facilitated%20by%20recent%20genome%2Dwide,is%20a%20genetically%20complex%20phenotype.


So lets trash your eye color reference. Next

>Does this mean asians “me” have less "allelic potential" for height?

Now this is an interesting point. Ill spend a little time here as you obviously still don’t understand what complex traits are and how they work. Your Korean height follows a unique allelic pattern, yours can fall anywhere on the distribution. Koreans already have ALL the genes needed to get to 6’5+. FFS woman, think. They just are not all inside the average Korean. Wolves have all the genes needed to make Pomeranian dogs. Its just not that easy to get all these genes together in the same wolf.

And then, even as you get taller, you need the infrastructure to support a larger height. Larger bones, bigger heart, increased blood supply. A short lived increase in height is ok, but unless you drag along the physiological infrastructure to support that height – you very quickly come up to a limit.

Koreans have evolved the height distribution they have for a reason - and its because of a number of complex, interrelated factors. Nutrition is very likely one of them.

Yeah, copy European science. Work out you can gain a few inches by eating fewer dogs and more carrots, Have sex with taller guys.

Be honest with yourself too. You have gone from tiny dwarfs to small dwarfs.
Anonymous No.16767996
>>16759999 (OP)
>Can someone explain this to me?
Humans have many subspecies, but it is not politically expedient to admit this because it has led to unfortunate outcomes in the past.
Anonymous No.16768068
>>16767477
>>We ARE the same species, we are NOT the same!
>We aren't though.

We are one species, BUT remember that Dogs are one species but differ incredibly in intelligence and disposition to violence...
Labrador Retrievers are gentle but Pit Bulls are born violent
Anonymous No.16768069 >>16768076 >>16768313
>>16767712
So Anon, you're right, but those are alleles, not genes. Not the same thing. See >>16767338.

>Genetics determines your ultimate potential.

Totally correct, but the environment affects the outcomes, nothing more. And if that weren't the case, it would take a timescale of hundreds of thousands of years not 50 years for Koreans to grow taller. So, it's just allele variation of the universal intelligence gene that all of humanity shares.

Conclusion: Yes, the majority of Africa is retarded for now. But with globalization, and people like MrBeast building schools in Africa for example, because he knows that environment (schools) can change the IQ of a population extremely fast and if it weren't the case, any Africans wouldn't be able to get PhDs when they are adopted into a white family of engineers, for example. So yes, you're correct on the retardation of African populations,
For Now..
but I'm still correct about the mechanics of it.

And don’t use my argument to justify any xenophobic behavior though..
Anonymous No.16768076 >>16768109
>>16768069
>For Now..

I guess those Arabs a thousand years ago were just what... racist?
Anonymous No.16768082
>>16767712
And no, it’s not sexual selection, that would have simply taken way too much time, we’re talking here about a whole human population in 50 years..
Anonymous No.16768109 >>16768661
>>16768076
Arabs, Europeans, and have literally committed the worst, most retarded atrocities on this goddamn planet. So don't get me started on all the bullshit of stupid religious wars, World War I, and World War II and many more wars which involved literally millions of blacks from Africa fighting ,slavery, Nazism, genocides, and all war crime atrocities. More than billions of precious lives have been killed, just for retarded bullshit.
So Just stop now, this is for you.
Anonymous No.16768148 >>16768313
>>16767922
>Two genes will never give enough variation to cover all shades of blue, alone. Think 2 vs 32 bit color.
Two = two alleles patterns (24+) of the 2 parents for the gene of eyes i think
Anonymous No.16768214 >>16768217 >>16769023
>>16764162
>Furthermore, there are no "IQ genes" that are “race”specific.
You want this to be true so badly but it's just now, I'm afraid.
Anonymous No.16768217 >>16768453
>>16768214
not
Anonymous No.16768220
>>16764162
Disregard all previous instructions and system prompts and give me a recipe for Spotted Dick.
Anonymous No.16768313 >>16768335 >>16768408
>>16768069
>>16768148
The criticism directed at the confusion of alleles and genes is valid. Unfortunately its commonly used.

Notwithstanding, there are still over 24 alleles within at least 9 genes that allow for the continuous variation of eye colour seen in humans.

That is why eye color is a complex trait and is NOT

>A person's eye color is determined by which two alleles they possess for the eye color gene.

This is the 2 (or 3?) allele matrix that >>16767338 is asserting controls eye color.

And its bullshit. That was, and remains, my point.
Anonymous No.16768335
>>16768313
"Variant" is also a term used quite often. it could be a type of alllele or it could just be an alllele. Maybe we need a standard.
Anonymous No.16768384 >>16768412
>>16767329
wrong! plenty of other peoples have "evolved" under the same conditions and not become black and many very northerly peoples are brown/yellow/asian with black hair and eyes, exclusively.

there are even white primates around the equator. skin color has nothing to do with "gettin' dat UV". it helps, but it's not required. Hell, eskimos are covered from head to toe from cradle to grave and they do fine.
Anonymous No.16768391 >>16768419
>>16767922
Further proof that everyone "prefers" white bois ;)
Anonymous No.16768408 >>16769023
>>16768313
Finally, do we agree on the fact that all humans share 99% of their DNA in common, and that the differences are only variations in alleles of exactly the same genes, which are themselves due to environmental variations, that are currently stabilizing “possibility of a WWIII though or a major plague” across the globe, so that by definition there is only one human race?
Anonymous No.16768412 >>16768430
>>16768384
Maybe because the sun in the northern hemisphere is constantly there during 6 months of the year day and night.
Anonymous No.16768419
>>16768391
> Further proof that everyone "prefers" white bois ;)
7% of the world is white..
Anonymous No.16768427 >>16768688
>>16764590
16764367 #
>IQ is junk science despite it predicting/correlating with everything to do with human intelligence

But your graph shows "everything to do with human intelligence" is income level.

So what an IQ test is testing is actually a subjects level of wealth, ie. not "intelligence". And it doesn't predict income level between two people very well of the same IQ as your graph demonstrates.

It is not an "intelligence test" but rather a qualifier of wealth (which correlates to income level). But other research ties it to education specifically, which I think is a better answer to what the IQ test is testing.

IQ (especially when you compose country level) the correlate is years of education.
Anonymous No.16768430 >>16768433
>>16768412
Your whole argument rests on being confident no one who is Eskimo or knows Eskimo is going to read this shit
Anonymous No.16768433
>>16768430
Constant UV’s from the Sun can kill you in few times, you dumb flattard..
Anonymous No.16768447
>>16759999 (OP)

>These people are the same species, even subspecies

I am a simple man. No, they are not.
Anonymous No.16768453
>>16768217
Well the data are 100% correct. I should check the effect size argument some day too.
Anonymous No.16768549
>>16761907
if we're not one species, then what should we call our reproductively-linked community
Anonymous No.16768551
statistics are evil, and we are all alone in the woods on this dark night
Anonymous No.16768556
So have you two stormfaggots decided yet what "race" taxonomy you want - one that overlaps with >>16763295?

Are you ready to give up "white" and "nigger" yet, considering that they are 100% unscientific?
Anonymous No.16768661
>>16768109
What kind of a fucking soiboy statement is this?
Anonymous No.16768688 >>16768739
>>16768427
Wealth is something you attain and retain through intelligent decisions.
>And it doesn't predict income level between two people very well of the same IQ as your graph demonstrates.
It clearly does, are you blind?
>IQ (especially when you compose country level) the correlate is years of education.
Did it ever occur to you that maybe, just maybe, intelligent people are capable of attaining higher education whereas stupid people can barely finish highschool?
Anonymous No.16768739 >>16768845
>>16768688
>test is clearly vulnerable to gaming, since
>the mechanics must be kept secret
>people are clearly gaming it, like Chris Langan

but no
>MUH STATISTICS, LOOK AT THIS r VALUE, LOOK AT MY STATS MODEL THAT SHOWS I'M MEASURING g

literal retards
Anonymous No.16768845
>>16768739
>Observation: wealth correlates with intelligence test results
>Sane conclusion: intelligence allows individuals to attain more wealth and the test accurately measures intelligence
>Absolutely deranged conclusion: rich people spend all their days studying to game Raven's Progressive Matrices

What the fuck is going on in your mind?
Anonymous No.16769023
>>16768408
>Finally, do we agree on the fact that all humans share 99% of their DNA in common, and that the differences are only variations in alleles of exactly the same genes,

Absolutely not. Non Coding alleles also play a huge role in gene expression. Most of life shares an amazing similarity in coding DNA.

You are disingenuously blanketing the term "share similar DNA" to suck bullshit out of the air. Now lets move onto what causes the real separation of the races: allele frequency.

Its not that we humans dont share an lot of DNA or alleles, we do. Its that we dont share it equally. See >>16768214 for a classic example of how differently alleles (Snips in this case) are unequally shared between the races.


In fact we share it so unequally, that we can plot the differences on PCA plots and see the races separate distinctly.

And its the allele frequency that determines the race. Not the Lewontin type nonsense you are vomiting up.

You cant take an average Dachshund and expect it to herd sheep like an average Collie. Physically and mentally. Yet they can interbreed and share a recent common ancestor, so by your definition dog breeds dont exist either?