Thread 16771270

Three more weeks - edition

previous >>16768701

Member Musk's Mission? (I hope the program stays on track)

The 1337 engine will fix all problems.

>>16771275
Body Oder has their MK1 lander supposedly landing on the moon this year. Honestly I hope that is actually true and they are pushing aggressively for an early MK2 landing because we are probably going to need it.

no shade on starship, I'm sure it will be successful eventually, but I don't think they will make it in time for Artemis 3

>>16771277
Lol lmao

>>16771278
oh cmon. you dont *really* think starship is going to be fully mature and human rated by 2027/28 do you?

>>16771280
I'm not fully confident it will keep its timeline, and perhaps it will be an unfortunate delay. But I am also not retarded and believe that Blue fucking Origin will somehow mobilize and leapfrog HLS development. They have four GS2s to their name and are reluctant to even launch another full stack. They're ngmi

>>16771281
>believe
Hope anon, not believe. Those are two different things. I don't believe it either but who knows maybe the new guy iis lighting a fire under their asses to get things done

I enjoy AnthroFuturism. Yeah I know hahahaha but I like it anyways hahahaha.

>go to musk's twitter for starship updates
>full of anit immigrant posts
>calling for riots and overthrowing of UK and western eu governments
He's getting fucked once his guy is no longer the president. Dems and EU leaders are probably grinding their axes.

>>16771302
Ok?

>>16771311
I've divorced myself from caring at this point. It's unironically tiresome. He is too cyclical

>>16771311
It's somewhat comical that this guy has the time to shitpost despite being the richest man alive

I wonder if Soros is equally retarded in private

put a test dummy into the next starship so we can see how well a human might survive

>>16771318
Clear is ready

>>16771311
Lmao

>>16771311
the EU leaders will be long gone by then

>>16771320
Assuming he's mixed enough to have non-garbage IQ I totally understand his desire to get rid of all the other negros and be "the good one" who gets to stick around and not need to live away from whitey but it's really not gonna work if western liberalism fucking explodes in his lifetime.

"This is for all you new people. I have only one rule. Everybody fights, no one quits. If you don't do your job, I'll kill you myself! Welcome to the Roughnecks!"

>>16771311
it's ok our alien overlords are coming in 2026-27 so none of that matters

>>16771311
More like he's based as fuck

>>16771329
You promise?

>>16771327
he can come to mars with us

>>16771332
thats what all the ufo nerds are saying. "something" will happen around the 26-27 time period.

>>16771336
Do you don't promise. Darn.

>>16771327
He's wearing a new York hat. He has in no way a "desire to get rid of all the other negroes". I doubt he even did anything with his English flag other than make a video with it.

>>16771338
if it makes you feel any better they definitely are real and they are very punch-able provided you can break free from the paralysis they put you under.

if ever you encounter an alien and they pull out their fancy wand they use to paralyze you, wiggle your fingers and toes.

>>16771340
What if it's the sexy aryan cat women ayys who want to use me as a breeding stud? Shouldn't I just go along with it in that case?

>>16771343
I dont know if the cat people are real, I suspect not. There are Aryan Nordics though and the grey guys set you up with a sex partner for hybridization purposes.

"Join the Mobile Infantry and save the Galaxy. Service guarantees Citizenship. Would you like to know more?"

*CLICK*

>>16771311
why does he give a shit about UK, literally does not affect him

>>16771345
>1960s terminals with 2010s monitors
what did they mean by this?

Is this a fucking spaceflight thread?

>>16771349
Don't tell me. You need more.

>>16771311
>He's getting fucked once his guy is no longer the president.

Did you go to bed for 6 months? The president is not his guy

>>16771358
there's no room on that desk to do work, her binder is hanging off the edge of the desk

>>16771345
That slut needs all her holes clogged by cocks. What a whore

>>16771359
The next president will be his guy in about a year.

>>16771368
Two towers??

>>16771355
"Welcome to The Great White North. Today's topic is -- Space Flight, eh?"

>>16771368
>Domestic passenger flight
That's a spicy suborbital

It has a robot arm. A teensy weensy little robot arm. So you know it's Canadian.

>>16771374
Fundamentally unserious and pathetic “nation”

>>16771377
they should stop pretending and just become north montana. Just like Meet the Robinsons predicted

"The launch was to be a test of NordSpace's single-engine rocket, called Taiga — a six-metre (18 inches US) tall rocket created using 3D-printed metal. The launch was originally scheduled for Monday, but was hampered by snow flurries, First Nation protests and a hockey fight that broke out in the flame trench."

>>16771388
What flower is that? Poppy?!

>>16771388
Not Canadian enough, the mandatory french BS isn't on it

>>16771389
Opium Poppies. The rocket is designed to fly narcotics over the Northern Wall and into American elementary school playgrounds.

>>16771280
Starship HLS is far from the longest lead item on Artemis III, even with all the delays it'll have;
I will bet 10 intarwebz points SLS won't even be fully stacked (including Orion) when the HLS demonstrator touches down - and you can take that screenshot to the crypto exchange.

>>16771395
Speaking of, has there been literally any public comment on the electrical glitches being fixed

>>16771395
at some point we must admit that SLS is dogwater and we should use the bridenstack to get to the moon instead

>>16771395
The problem with HLS is that it's a retarded idea. Same with Orion just in a different way.

>>16771398
orion has the excuse that it's a jobs program with no real goal. The entire artemis program is a mish mash of random junk thrown together.

>>16771398
the two real problems are that 1) NASA actually picked HLS in the first place, and 2) HLS was by far the LEAST retarded idea they were given

Or did you forget that their other options were to either ignore the laws of physics (alpaca a fatty) or trust blue origin to make and launch a human rated lunar lander when they had put a total of 0 milligrams into orbit thus far

>>16771405
National wanted to make Altair but bigger
Muh heritage

>>16771405
yes that's the issue. It's all retarded goofy ideas hampered by the requirement to get to Gateway in a stupid orbit

spehs

>>16771411
I feel kind of bad that I never do LRBs in KSP anymore
I just stack more SRBs

>>16771405
alpaca could have been good
>too heavy!
they could have fixed that.
it's still a better design than Blue Moon. far more stable. especially when you consider how landers keep toppling, it would have been the better option

>>16771411
spehs

>>16771395
space suit?

>>16771438
shame collins dropped out. I really doubt the axiom suits will be ready in time

>>16771439
if the suit looks ugly what's the point of going back

>>16771442
to claim territory

>>16771446
I read that as clam territory

>>16771455
Inshallah the lunar seas will choke with clams

>>16771442
>concerned with looks
you will never be /sci/, im sorry.

>>16771460
Space and all that we send into it should be beautiful.

>>16771438
Must we?

>NASA astronauts Kate Rubins and Andre Douglas recently performed a simulated moonwalk in Arizona’s San Francisco Volcanic Field — under the watchful eye of a very curious local.

Those suits look kinda drafty.

>The rocket core stage for the #Artemis II mission is on the move. On July 6, @nasa and @boeing teams at Michoud Assembly Facility moved the SLS (Space Launch System) stage to prepare to load it onto the Pegasus barge for delivery to @nasakennedy Space Center.

Compared to Starbase, this place looks like a UPS distribution center in Bakersfield.

>Artist's Concept

Just in case you think a purple Tyrannasaurus Rex is actually riding a space telescope like a boogie board.

>>16771487
Imagine if SpaceX was like this

>>16771494
I don't know how big a purple t-rex is anyway

>>16771494
Boomers love this shit. Anyone got the golf one?

>>16771347
I'm even less affected by the happenings in the UK and I also care. It's called empathy.

>>16771285
They have a new guy?

>>16771343
Then you're supposed to break out of the paralysis and ravish the most attractive catwoman ayy you can find, to prove your virility and vitality. Weak humans get probed and tossed back, only the wild ones get to be studs.

>>16771536
the new guy is limp

>>16771360
It has room for an ashtray. That's all the 1960s needed to get us to the Moon.

>>16771368
>tfw terrorist attacks with starship are a concievable future

>>16771555
European and eastern hemisphere peak time of day is really great content. All of the best posts occur during these hours.
I'm so glad Elon is bringing India and Africa online, this is the very definition of "value added" and "synergy"
We really are a global community, everyone contributes and its beautiful . This is why SpaceX created Starlink, and now we are seeing the payoff, and its even better than our wildest dreams

>>16771573
as a plebbitor, it's wild how many Indian subreddits are popping up recently.
I fear for the future.
spaceflight

>>16771574
hmmm, cosmic ravioli

>>16771270 (OP)
She's describing how huge my cock is

>>16771573
Money at any cost. Starlink will fund Mars colonies. Groky goonbots will fund Mars colonies. And Mars colonies can't drop rocks

Rate my cat

>>16771586
good lad, i rate 8/10 starship flights
how old is he?

>>16771586
nominal

>>16771586
please tell me you didn't name it elon, clear, or something like that

>>16771586
Best color tabby.

>>16771587
At least 8, we don't know for sure
>>16771592
Leo

NSF are such fags for gatekeeping important shit like this for weeks to make an L2 membership seem worth it

Bros I think the astronaut dream might be getting closer.
Next step is a PPL and a slight career shift towards quantum comms

>>16771604
Test structure for HLS descent thrusters

>>16771606
wouldn't this be nice to mention in a technical talk

>>16771604
I mean, the subscription is not that expensive. Plus, you get access to lots of exclusive content.

>>16771608
I don't like the idea of the money going to this

>>16771611
Maybe he could have the money for an haircut.
But it's true nothing can be done about the british accent.

>>16771595
That better be pronounced L-E-O

>>16771604
There's some useable info, because most posters are retired NASA or contractors. If you want to know what it was like to work on ATLAS, that's the place. But everybody seems to spend most of their time trying to wannamod each other and snitching to get a thread moved to L2. So many, "no horse play you guys!" posts.

>>16771487
jeez cant they use SI units like
>football field
>olympic swimming pool
>[popular car]

>>16771624
that sounds gay as fuck

>>16771626
When Unmannedspaceflight.com was still up, there was some great information on space science missions, but the place was moderated like a Soviet gulag. Posters were constantly looking over their shoulders and so many posts got deleted it could turn a thread to Swiss cheese.

>America drops “next-gen” Amtrak train
>Almost entirely subsidized by the government, doesn’t even go faster than the old train, its literally faster to just drive a car
>USA aerospace darling Boeing can’t correctly make passenger planes anymore, entire flight infrastructure of country is based off of 30 year old tech bc the new stuff doesn’t work
But we are going bros, trust the plan; America’s infrastructure industry is stronger than ever! Not like outsourcing and complacency has fucked everything up. Look out China! Uncle Sam is gearing up to fix the break room coffee machine any day now!

>>16771607
Sry bro too busy gooning with ani best I can do is the quick overview everyone already knows

>>16771632
good evening my wumao friend

>>16771632
USSR and India managed orbit while most of their population didn't have running water in their houses. Space technology doesn't depend national infrastructure to a significant level. But I understand you have some heavy psychologic needs to vent about the United States.

1. Mars has no value for America
2. Pour all resources into cislunar development
3. Fiber optics, pharmaceuticals and new materials R&D in lagrangian points
You do want America to be a leader in space, right?

>>16771280
>human rated
You know they don't plan to launch or land humans (on earth) in HLS? If you do then you are being disingenuous, if you don't, then you are an idiot.

>>16771606
neat. still not swiping though.

I hope SpaceX's Mars EVA suit won't look as retarded as the ones these companies are coming out with. Jesus

>>16771673
EVA will be done by those.

>>16771405
We all know that if an American ever makes it to the moon again it will be on SpaceX hardware the whole way. The question is only how and when.

>>16771487
I hate the NGR telescope

>>16771687
>if
is doing the heavy lifting here

>>16771487
Same vibes

>>16771686
Robotics is in a pretty gay state right now. Task by task specific competencies achieved by tons of reinforcement learning and little generalization.

GUYS GUYS LOOK ARTIFICIAL METAL
NOT CLICKBAIT!!!

Any of you guys going to order these for Clear?

>>16771251
There must be another factory, since this one has only been operating for 70 days yet they've been launching YF-75s for years.

clearbros i'm in love

>>16771712
'READ IT' ELON MUSK
DOG NOT SCARED

>>16771309
> chemical factories that could use the high temperature process heat
There are NPPs for that purpose being built or in advanced stages of planning, and such NPPs are not small. For example, Xuwei NPP whose main purpose will be to supply steam to the nearby Lianyungang petrochemical complex. It will have 4x 1200MWe(3180MWth) pressurized water reactors and 12x 100MWe(250MWth) high-temperature gas-cooled pebble-bed reactors, for a total 6,000MWe(15,720MWth). So not a small NPP. It makes little sense to expend nuclear industry resources on building small NPPs until you have satisfied the need for large NPPs, a need which is widespread. You can use coal or gas in the small cases.

The reason the HTGR reactors are small is due to technical limitations. The Chinese designers originally wanted bigger reactors because it would've been more economical, but they found it would not be technologically feasible because IIRC it would have required the core and the pebble funnel mechanism to have complex geometry, so it was considered easier to just build multiple separate reactors with cylindrical geometry. Diameter is constrained, because control rods need to be around the outside of the core, since they cannot be inserted directly into the core without risking cracking the pebbles, which was a problem with the old German HTGR. Pebble structural strength limits how tall the reactor can be. And passive safety requirements limit the core power density.

>there's the AI slop that need the stable power
They would likely be better off by being connected to a large grid. Normal civilian nuclear reactors need to be regularly shut down for refueling. There are some reactor designs that can handle online refueling, but such designs aren't technologically mature enough that they wouldn't have frequent outages for decades. It wasn't until the 1980s that the US light-water reactors attained a decent capacity factor.

>>16771637
>>16771638
I think the point is that the US might not have the economic strength to fund any interplanetary colonization project, even if it has the technology to do it

>>16771652
If the investors don't find you handsome, they can at least find you handy.

this makes me sad :(

>>16771794
big engines are bad though

many smaller engines > a feew big engines

>>16771721
with my wife!

>>16771794
You should become a turbofan fan instead.

>>16771798
So we now know. I've been reading about the Saturn V's backup plan. Apparently NASA had to wait until microelectronics and materials became advanced enough to allow for mass clustering of efficient engines in the 1960s, would've been some uprated H-1 engine and Titan SRBs in case F-1 didn't work out.

>>16771806
it's honestly a miracle those engines worked considering the combustion instability at that large size

Some questions to spur discussion.

1) do you think once starship is operational we will see a shift towards larger heavier satellites?

If mass is no longer a major constraint like with other launchers, sat manufacturers can afford to use cheaper, less mass efficient alternatives to expensive low mass materials. Why fly your sat with expensive low weight components when you can use cheap abundant steel and such?

2) What do you think about a commercial company taking over or replacing DSN? Recall that Artemis 1 and Orion used almost ALL the available bandwidth of the DSN which choked up other users like JWST.

3) Is there a market for mass produced, cheap and heavy space telescopes? If you can bring costs down enough, and have each telescope last 10 or even 20 years, you could sell time on your telescopes to universities, museums, astronomical clubs, governments, space agencies, etc.

>>16771820
yes

no

no

>>16771820
If you build big dense satellites your only choice is Starship. You don't even have the option of a more expensive 3rd party provider in a pinch. I suppose that might give companies some pause.

>>16771794
Dont get sad, get glad

>>16771820
>1) do you think once starship is operational we will see a shift towards larger heavier satellites?
I think the market is naturally trending towards larger options, so yes. But not necessarily all because of Starship alone. The last 15-20 years have seen costs go down but the "standard" options have been F9, Atlas II, Atlas V. More expensive missions were rare and opted for FH or DIVH. In the next five to ten years the new "standard rate" rocket will be Vulcan and New Glenn and Starship—and they seem to all be claiming the prices for these launches will be standard for the market. Additionally Starship is probably the largest of all in terms of payload volume availability but from the current designs it seems this is going to be pretty constrained compared to how it was originally envisioned with BFR and ITS. Anyways this is all to say payloads will generally increase in scope and size to fit into things like New Glenn and Starship and Vulcan
>2) What do you think about a commercial company taking over or replacing DSN?
Ideally an organic "space network" would develop with multiple companies, say spacex + rocket lab + blue origin + ULA + lockheed, accepting contracts for relay and communication satellites. Its one of those things NASA could throw out contracts for to foster a market. But whatever, worst case scenario SpaceX could go it alone (with or without NASA involvement here) and set up a Starlink constellation around mars that is connected via long-distance comms back here to Earth. I imagine they might as well do this with the Moon as well
>3) Is there a market for mass produced, cheap and heavy space telescopes?
No

>>16771828
NG can do 45t which is about half of starship but still nothing to sneeze at.
very unlikely that sat manufacturers are going to build to take up all 100t of starship's payload capacity.

>>16771835
45T is way more than 15 heyooo

One day we will see this

>>16771477
It was beautiful

>>16771836
Funny guy. Block 1 is fully retired however and 2 on its way out.

>>16771828
Until Starship has a proper door to allow the exit of large items, it's still just a Starlink delivery van.

>>16771820
>1) do you think once starship is operational we will see a shift towards larger heavier satellites?

no
they are more than heavy enough for their needs

>2) What do you think about a commercial company taking over or replacing DSN?

paid for by whole? Why would anyone want to take over some antiquated government apparatus

Spacex will build their own satellite dishes for deep space communications

>3) Is there a market for mass produced, cheap and heavy space telescopes?
Yea
for earth observation...

>>16771798
counterpoint: many big engines

Couldn't Starship send probes anywhere in the Solar System without the need for gravity assists very cheaply? Why don't they just do shitloads of interplanetary probe missions to every known body at the earliest possibly opportunity?

>>16771860
>Why don't they just
I believe the main reason for that is the fact that starship doesn't exist in a space-worthy form

>>16771860
no because it has shit C3 / dry mass

>One Mars day is 24 hr 39 mins
That is shockingly close to Earth's actually, all things considered

JPL wasting time with this guy instead of doing their jobs we pay for.

>>16771871
Is that because of the rotation of the protoplanetary disc, or just a rare coincidence?

>>16771875
Just a coincidence I am sure. Earth getting struck along with the formation of our Moon probably had a huge influence on our current rotation. Mars is also super lumpy in its mantle and it likely got struck by multiple large objects that got frozen in place when plate tectonics shut down, so its rotation was similarly affected during solar system bombardment

>>16771875
This is reminds me of how I was arguing 2 days ago with a guy on /pol/ who was convinced that the Earth used to orbit Saturn (which used to glow green because of the 3 stages of plasma), but then the saturnian system collided with the solar system, putting the planets where they are now.

>>16771875
Venus you dumb fucking retard

>>16771880
World In Collision 2025 edition

>>16771881
?

watching this rn https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kp1QeFjDRA

>>16771831
so this had nothing to do with the technical presentation after all

>>16771311
>once his guy is no longer the president

Anon, 2036 is a long time from now.

Do you ever look up at the night sky and think about the sheer distances those points of light are coming from? The strange worlds that could be in their systems? The future of humanity among the stars?

>QI sat is now accelerating
>...the wrong way

https://x.com/Vincent_Ledvina/status/1962245154162504173
>A solar storm is on the way and may cause a moderate or even strong geomagnetic storm on Monday or Tuesday. Impact is predicted for around 20 UT on September 1, and auroras may be seen further equatorward than usual on Monday and Tuesday night.

Heads up

>>16771966
no

>>16771968
turn it around then

>>16771972
I want a sidewinder. I want a oneshot straight into Earth. I want northern mexico and dallas and louisiana to get lit up with auroral greens dancing through the thermosphere

>>16771966
yes

>>16771968
Tape ingassing drive

>>16771966
Yeah, and then I imagine some strange being taking a shit while I'm looking at its reflected light, but that was millions of years ago, so then I begin to wonder how that being lived its life and how that species has probably evolved into something different during all this time the light took to finally reach me.

>>16771966
I live in the city. If I'm lucky I can see Jupiter and such.

>>16772007
There is no star that you can see that is more than a few thousand LY away.

>>16772013
This city slicker hasn't seen Andromeda

>>16771311
>actually reposting a "deportation is the moderate solution" tweet
Oy freaking vey.
But yeah it's really funny scrolling through twitter and seeing a constant mix of politics, AI, rockets, and futa touhou porn.
>>16771966
I get too distracted looking at the Moon.

>>16771966
it feels abstract to me at this point
t. working on linking quantum gravity with gr

>>16772031
>futa touhou porn.
wait what

>>16772056
Unrelated to Elon, just the only other thing I use TwiX for.

>>16772056
Don't judge.

>>16771872
The moment I perceived the weakness of my flesh, it disgusted me.
I craved the strength and certainty of steel.

>>16772062
ah fair.
unless it's futa on male that's gay as fuck and you should be ashamed

>>16771545
Grim

>>16771736
Did you miss the part where Spacex is eating the global telecom market?
As you read this post there are billions in pure cash funneling into the Marsprojekt. In five years it will be tens of billions. In ten years it will be hundreds of billions.
Funding from the US government is unnecessary.

>>16772031
>"deportation is the moderate solution"
It is. Are you confused by something?

>>16772124
No. It's just sort of surprising to see how quick everyone is going mask off versus mask off.

>>16772127
That's just the result of Twitter/X no longer being a de facto subsidiary of the DNC. These attitudes were already abundant but instead of being shut down like wrongthink they're now discussed openly.

>>16771872
why crab walk when you could pogo?

>>16772131
This project is a perfect fit for Boing.

>>16771276
once teh lolz0r is deployed…

>>16772131
She had so many friends

>>16772140
Cringe

With total viewership of space launches and other events plummeting to earth like a capsule with a bad parachute, what can the space industry do to revive interest in space? Here's my idea: cumming penises. Research shows that everyone loves penises, especially when they're erect, more so when they're ejaculating, and even more so when they're ejaculating onto your face. So, we just fill all the mission coverage with throbbing veiny squirting cocks everywhere, moaning men, and occasionally giggling girlhosts cleaning themselves off, but mostly just engorged dicks shooting their space sperm at the camera, a little bit of the lift off, then back to the glistening phalluses.

>>16771881
Venus just has a phase, she will snap out of it any day now.
Uranus is the one that needs help.

OK this may sound like an odd question, but who was the asian girl on spacex' IFT launch livestream?

>>16772145
japan, no.

>>16771875
The rotation rate is ultimately due to the rotation of the protoplanetary disc, as well as the amount of mass collected by the planet, which is the source of the planet's angular momentum
Jupiter spins very fast because it accumulated so much mass, which came with angular momentum.
Earth should be spinning faster than it is, but lost some to the moon
Venus and Mercury are special cases. One has lost angular momentum into friction with its huge atmosphere, the other is partially tidally locked to the sun.

>>16772153
Anyone got that pic of the Tenga rocket?

>>16772148
dude just open up the internet and search "asian porn" and you'll find prettier people baka you goddamn gooner

>>16772127
you are a moron. this isn't a "mask off" moment. this is what people actually believe because of real experiences in the real world. they are only now talking because they no longer have a gag in their mouth.

media and tech companies have been twisting stories about immigration and it's supposed "benefits" for decades. none of it is true. it's all because diversity depresses wages and keeps unions from forming.

>>16772206
3d clear is QT!

>>16772206
>LITERALLY dressed up as a vibrator
Incredibly lewd

>rewatching the test flight and caught this preview of the integrated hot stage ring
Is it going to be a cool grid like ISRO's or some basic struts like the soviets

>>16772242
struts

>>16771880
I read a book about that once, Purple Dawn of Creation. I love schizo shit like that. I wish I could find it again, it was really entertaining how it kept getting nuttier and nuttier with each chapter.

>>16772242
It's going to be so orkish and utilitarian and soviet looking

>>16771880
Technically possible?
Jupiter also

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_tack_hypothesis

>>16772248
>I Love schizo shit like that

read this

yes the title predates the game

>>16772259
I'll give it a shot. I haven't been impressed much with the UFO and ancient aliens stuff I've read. I read Communion last year and was underwhelmed, so I'm craving something fresh.

>>16772267
if you want a summary It's like communion but it gets way weirder in a different way than communion gets weird

>>16772127
Grow up

is /sfg/ dead or is this just due to Labor Day

there's nothing going on right now

>>16772317
https://x.com/TurkeyBeaver/status/1962334210712084593

9 launch in 10 days. Almost a daily launch rate for SpaceX

>>16772327
that's what's making it boring

>>16772327
Elon succeeded in making Falcon 9 boring.

>>16772328
>>16772329

that's kinda the point
sooner or later starship will be too. by then we will have a base on the moon and mars

>>16772331
>that's kinda the point
Well yeah I think he said that it was explicitly the goal like 10 years ago.

>>16772334
reminder that if we can do it, they can do it too, and (statistically) they've been around a lot longer than we have

IT'S OVER
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/elon-musk-grok-anime-porn-1235415287/

>>16772313
Instead of complaining, why don't you post something?

>>16772342
no I'm going to Taco Bell

>>16772327
You zoomers don't understand what it was like in the dark ages. It's why launch threads were a thing, because a rocket launch was such an infrequent and thus celebrated event.

>>16772351
indeed. I used to get a hundred posts for any old F9 launch thread.

>>16772343
Son, that shit is unhealthy.

>>16772359
my other option is Jack In the Box

>>16772359
Fuck off it tastes sloppy and great

>>16772127
>A person illegally enters a country
>They are detained by law enforcement and sent back to their country of origin ASAP
Sounds pretty moderate to me. An extreme solution would be to execute them. Or to let them stay while giving them shelter and money.

>>16772251
>Technically possible?
No, Saturn is too small for fusion and the life on Earth wouldn't have survived such an orbital transition. Also, that anon was an electric universe schizo, so he didn't believe in nuclear fusion, which is why Saturn's low mass and current lack of luminescence didn't bother him.

>>16771871
I'm assuming that's close enough to work just fine; or could it somehow do weird things?

Do you think the rest of the world realizes the implications of a fully-realized Starshield constellation? Or what the DoD is going to be able to do with Starship if it gets as low as F9 cost to launch, let alone the several million Spacex is aiming for?
Imagine a thousand super-low-orbit satellites maintaining altitude indefinitely by skimming nitrogen to fuel an ion thruster, each one armed with dozens of orbit-to-ground conventional-explosive missiles. Their targeting system is a global real-time visible, infrared, and radio surveillance network. The US will get rumors of something we don't like going on and within 30 minutes there'll be a space force officer drinking coffee while he watches a live 3d representation of a terrorist camp on the other side of the world getting evaporated. This is not a notable event, he is already wondering what's being served for lunch today.

>>16772447
Slow down there buddy
You should stick to what they have published, which can be summed up as continuous surveillance of every square meter of Earth's surface and possibly even the Moon. First for missile launch detection, then simply intelligence gathering.
The acronym you're looking for is Total Information Awareness. Much like how the NSA has a copy of everything crossing the internet backbone, Starshield will generate way too much data to be reviewed by people so they are banking on AI making it useful

>>16772449
> a thousand super-low-orbit satellites maintaining altitude indefinitely by skimming nitrogen to fuel an ion thruster
lol

>>16771868
>make centaur part of the payload
>boom

orange rocket bad

it’s just patina goy

>>16772465
shiny rocket good?

>>16772449
>Nitrogen in your ion drive

ESA -- just no. In an era of Starship tossing 200t to orbit, scrounging reaction mass like loose change between the sofa cushions isn't necessary. You use delicious Argon and you're good:

https://futurism.com/esa-ion-thruster-breathes-air

>>16772482
>Starship tossing 200t to orbit
Lol
Lmao

>Send NASA false data
>Makes Artemis crash into the Moon

You effed up. You trusted us.

>>16771879
And after its formation the unceasing drifting, at the time when the moon was a lot closer our day was just 10 hours.

>>16772337
What about building huge hands in space and waving at them?

>>16772503
>our day was just 10 hours.
Which correlates to our higher mass compared to Mars. More angular momentum accumulated

>>16772482
This made me think of something. SpaceX has now pretty much figured out the Pez dispenser door for Starlinks. But for other payloads, they'll need big doors like what the Space Shuttle had.

>>16771275
He has until 2018 to get "dear moon" done, I think they can do it.

>>16772494
no pay = no work

>>16772526
No they haven't. My budget printer will fail less than that dispenser.

>other payloads
There will be no other payloads. Starship is a starlink truck. Anything else requires a redesigned shuttle-like door, but the tanks at the front are in the way for a meaningful payload volume. At that point you might as well design an expendable stage with no front tanks. I doubt there is a business case for that.

>>16772548
Why are you here if you just doompost? That doesn't sound like an enjoyable existence.

>>16772557
BIGGER

>>16771275
No but I remember his melty

>>16772563
>melty
Gay feminized zoomer slang

>>16772557
That abomination might finally manage to put 100t. in LEO in expendable mode. Which would be orange tank tier.

>>16771820
>do you think once starship is operational we will see a shift towards larger heavier satellites?
It's possible that satellites standardize on PEZ dispenser dimensions and that's just what everyone uses, forever

>>16771820
>What do you think about a commercial company taking over or replacing DSN? Recall that Artemis 1 and Orion used almost ALL the available bandwidth of the DSN which choked up other users like JWST.
If only there was a company with networking expertise at massive scales and the infrastructure necessary to manufacture and launch a space network

>>16771840
I can see it right now

>>16771966
maybe

>>16771984
kek

>>16772251
Intredasting

>>16772338
You think you hate journalists enough, but you don't.
They described one of his ai slop reposts as "an apparently topless woman." Only her head and neck were in the photo.
Some have wondered why, absent true divine revelation, humanity would invent an afterlife of eternal torture. Now I know why.

>>16772338
>rolling stone
Please don't post tabloid trash like you think it's news

>>16772449
A thousand is not nearly enough. And what do they do when they're out of missiles? Resupply doesn't make sense, at least in terms of bringing missiles to launchers. It's probably easier to just deorbit them once they're empty, which means you'd want a lot on board and you'd need to put new launchers in orbit at the same rate you're using them.

>>16772566
here's your "most ironic post ITT" award

>+1 million Starlink customers in a couple months
I want Quilty or whoever to do another analysis

>>16772650
Sounds like massive numbers, but I guess there's pretty many people in the world. But surely at some point everyone who actually benefits from it will have gotten it. Unless it eventually just becomes so cheap that you might as well just get Starlink instead of a local ISP

If you're interested in hearing more of what you already know (that NASA's structured and managed terribly), MECO's latest episode with Handmer was pretty good (sad).

>>16772650
with v3 sats launched by starship starlink might start competing with some suburban ISPs, not just rural

>>16772548
>the tanks at the front are in the way
You mean the top maybe, they are not that big.

>>16772658
Seems reasonable to assume that they will, when able increase bandwidth supply much further with Starlink, lower prices (and provide other incentives) until the increase in customers isn't worth it financially. Unused bandwidth is just waste anyway.

Yeah, I think they could eventually really hurt regular ISPs if they drop prices. For most users, I think Starlink's speeds and latency are more or less fine already. Not everyone is into esports gaymen and shit

>>16772632
Shut up faggot

exciting week ahead of us

>>16772696
How much space / payload capability does the average Starlink launch occupy? Are they basically maxxing out Falcon 9, or is there some room to spare?
Starlinks go up so damn much that you could basically just co-manifest a second place constellation by putting one rideshare sat on each starlink launch lol

>>16772696
that’s not very exciting

>>16772701
zero room. starlink launches are the heaviest ASDS launches that spacex does.

>>16772696
Starlink Starlink Bacon and Starlink? Exciting!

>>16772701
They're already co-manifested

The schizos among us think the reason they stopped showing deployment on their Starlink launches means there's at least a few Starshields going up too

>>16772720
Actually based if true

>>16772717
it's wayyy pointier than that. I saw a new render last week.
t. nasa anon

>>16772717
I wonder if they're going to go full Orion
(the outer shell is just for aerodynamics and gets jettisoned after launch)
Exposed tanks HLS would be kino

>>16772722
I just ripped the image from google images. I like seeing images of HLS Moonship. I hope we see more official looks soon

>>16772720
>Starshields
Isn't it pretty much the same thing as Starlink, but with some minor modifications?

>>16772728
The main addition is an infrared camera so yes

>>16772722
>t. nasa anon

if real what do you think about the IVO meme drive in testing right now, think it will work and will change how nasa does shit?

is blue origin still in business?

>>16772334
nice, love out of the box thinking like this, never even heard of rectangular scope

>>16772753
never heard of it. seems like schizo shit

>>16772673
anything you found especially noteworthy (sad)?

>>16772757
ain't called the meme drive for nothing lol

>>16772755
Who?

>>16772728
they could start adding features to them and want to keep that a secret

>>16772769
features meaning different sensors mainly but I guess they could add anything really (and maybe have slightly different feature setups)

https://spacexnow.com/stats

TThree Hunderd (30) Starlink launches

https://spacexnow.com/upcoming

holy fuck what a busy manifest

https://x.com/NASASpaceflight/status/1962543378911879346

Reminder: Next Starship flight 11 will be the last time Raptor V2 will be used. Then its Raptor V3 on Starship V2

>>16772780
Thank God

>>16772778
UK MoD has something called 'Skynet'.... really?

>>16772783
yup

>>16772778
note this doesn't list Starlink flights beyond Sep 2025 so add a couple hundred Starlink launches into this

SpaceX has launched 112 rockets so far this year.
The goal is 180 this year. Thats roughly every other day. Its been roughly 242 days into the years. 242/2 = 121. So 112/121 = 92.56% on track with the current goal. If they remain 92% by the end of the year, you can expect 165 launches this year from SpaceX.

>>16772756
>To separate two objects that are 0.1″ apart at a wavelength of 10 μm (Earth size in Hab Zone around Sol), the diffraction limit (θ ∼ λ/D) requires optics with a physical length scale of at least 21 m.

Figuring out you only need that 21m along one axis -- so a rectangle, is pretty clever. Also avoids the need for a starshade or coronagraph the next gen 5m to 10m circular scopes require.

Good hack.

>>16772789
SpaceX does more mass to orbit in 9 months than the entire Space Shuttle program did over 40 years and 135 launches

>>16772800
When does it beat it on humans though

>>16772814
Dragon already has more time on station, more visits to station than Shuttle I think... shuttle might still have it beaten on payload to station

>>16772814
It's killed 0 humans so it has that going for it

>>16772818
not true, there was a French family that died in a car accident when they came here to visit for a falcon launch. Also, some SpaceX worker died after falling/being crushed at McGregor I believe

>>16772783
there is a company, get this, there is a company that sells onions based drink products, and you see, their name, their name is the same as the famous movie where the food is made from processed human remains.

And people actually drink it

>>16772814
dragon has put well over 50 people in space at this point with zero fatalities

>>16772829
what about the 3rd crewmate that BobNDoug ate?

>>16772826
Carisoprodol, a sedative, is sold under the brand name "Soma".

dragon is named after puff

>>16772561
this is cool. 9m high 27m wide that would be a very comfortable ride to mars

>>16772830
we don talk bout Billy here

>>16772820
Wow. I didn't know this. Dragon orchestrated that car crash and threw that employee off a ledge. Unbelievable.

>>16772561
WIDER

>>16771729
Could have copied the RMBK-3600

>>16771196
Submarines being military have 90% enriched uranium helps a lot with form factor.

>>16772877
as does being immersed in a very larged pool of coolant

>>16772861
Jupiter's Detroit.

>>16772686
here's your "most based post ITT" award

>>16772722
>t. nasa anon
counts for negative credibility btw

>>16772820
>not true, there was a French family that died in a car accident
um... based?

>tfw early solar system space travel/exploration will basically be like the wild west
>tfw born too early for that

>>16772897
kek

>>16772915
Don't worry Anon, you can always help in the equally important task of making it happen. None of this stuff happens as an inevitable aspect of the passage of time, but an application of will.

>>16772915
I choose to believe that effective anti-aging or age reversal treatments will be available sometime before I die

>>16772915
> born too early for that
we already have space travel tech that makes starship look like a glorified dildo

>>16772915
>wild west
More like the age of sail.

>you WILL beg for money from mega-corps and aristocrats to fund your journeys
>you WILL spend months at a time holed-up in the cramped quarters of a leaky ship
>you WILL turn barren rocks into valuable trading outposts, but only for other people
>you WILL be the first of humanity to lay eyes on certain things, even if its just dust
>and you will be happy

>>16772929
>and you will be happy
true

>>16772929
being the first to stand in the vales marinaris would be so unbelievably kino

>>16772922
Nobody will want a refurbished old fart. They'll take actual young people.

>>16772569
gay

Dead thread
Dead board
Dead spaceflight

>>16772956
>Mars
Dead planet

Also, whatever happened to the meme drive

>>16772956
It's Labor Day. They'll be back at it tomorrow.

>>16772957
not forever

>>16772960
Calibrating all the way to re-entry

Every day I wish Starship was called Dragon instead of that dinky little ISS taxi

>>16772970
Starship V3 to be renamed Dragon 3

>>16772970
>>16772977
should call it Hydra instead because Hydra's are objectively cooler mythological beasts.

Also kind of fitting since a single booster is probably going to be launching multiple ships (heads)

>>16772933
one comes with slavery, the other with freedom

>>16772944
Old people who are still more than healthy enough to participate are an asset because of experience and breadth of skills. Failing that, I'll simply have the money for it to not matter if a company doesn't want to pay my way.

>>16772944
>>16772986
>>16772922
bizarre how so many people still dont understand that ai will make humans obsolete soon

Denmark, about an hour ago

>>16773000
pretty

https://x.com/spacewxwatch/status/1962673096416006449
>02/00Z solar wind update (01/08:00pm ET):
>We've finally made it to moderate geomagnetic storm territory (Kp=6) following a turn of the magnetic field into the southward orientation recently (red) which is welcome for aurora watchers; much of the early portion of the storm has been dominated by positive field, so it's taken a while to get our storm going.
>Densities (orange), velocity (purple), and temperature (green) remain high. We may see Kp increase into the mid 7's with this data should it continue this way.

Weather reports are looking promising for something, but so far all the on the ground reporting for the lower 48 is coming up empty

https://x.com/Billy_Ch4os/status/1962682201134309767
>WNY/ NE Aurora alert!!!
>The time is now 9:00pm and we are in prime Aurora conditions here in Western and Upstate NY. Here is a current photo of Mt Katahdin overlooking Millinocket Lake in Mine. Head out to a dark place now!

no clouds but wildfire smoke here. I'll still give it a shot tonight.

>>16773004
If low attitude reds and greens is all we're getting, I might as well sit this one out. There's no way these >>16773003 are getting high enough for me to see anything through the hills and trees.

https://x.com/NycStormChaser/status/1962684885497209026
>Aurora starting to show up in the Catskills

may I see it?

>>16773012
50/50

>>16772998
this nigga knows. the stars belong to the machines.

>>16772998
ai is plateauing

>>16772920
Everyone here is a normie. Anyone who was smart enough to build space hardware is already doing it

>>16773033
machines don't have souls

>>16773049
neither do u

>>16773035
just 2 more weeks till ai will stop getting better! i bet you cant solve a single one of these problems

sci desperately needs iq test captcha, too many retards shitting up the board

>>16773062
>but le line will go up... FOREVER
you don't even understand the S curve. You are a midwit that just extrapolates a linear trend out forever. I bet you fell for The Population Bomb too

>>16772877
It doesn't effect form factor but it does obviously help with how long it can run.

>>16773089
>makes up some random strawman that has nothing to do with my post
i accept your concession

>>16772915
You don't fundamentally understand what the endeavor entails if you think there is any room for romantic individualism.
>>16772998
faggot

>>16773113
>can't follow simple sequitur logic chains
You have bigger problems

>>16773089
>I bet you fell for The Population Bomb to
there will be 4 billion more hungry africans by 2100

If left unchecked, they will continue to multiply until all of the food is gone and they will all starve to death.

chill out

>>16773128
https://x.com/Scientific_Bird/status/1936873038407979254
>Africa's Poor Numbers – new long post published! In this piece, I critically examine the quality and availability of data in Africa. I argue that much African data is highly unreliable. In particular, I look at economic data, criminal justice data, and population data. I'm by no means the first to sound alarm about African data quality. It has previously been called "Africa's statistical tragedy". Similarly, a well-known book "Poor Numbers" critically examines Africa's developmental statistics. There's a lack of proper birth registration, death registration, lack of recent censuses, and much more. This chart illustrates a composite measure of statistical capacity across the world. As is evident, Africa is the region with the lowest average score.

https://x.com/realhumanschwab/status/1958170542961254507
>Just learned African population data is so poor that *no one can judge the degree of inaccuracy*. Meaning that the real population could be... any number. There are no useful estimates. Could be half the reported number or 10%, anyone speaking confidently on the matter is lying. It's literally anyone's guess, a complete Mystery Zone.

https://x.com/Bought82068482/status/1960733904807322061
>Stats are fake congo hasn't done a national census since 1990. Most African countries i don't even know how many citizens they have.

https://x.com/Eldenofthering/status/1958225110101553295
>In many African countries, government revenue is handed out based on population sizes, so incentives for states/towns to inflate population numbers.

>>16773151
not spaceflight. stop.

>>16772334
Proven JWST mirror tech and can launch on a Falcon Heavy? Sold.

>>16773173
they aren't thinking large enough. This thing isn't going to be ready for like 10+ fucking years anyway so why not build with starship in mind instead? It'll cost less to launch, you can make it way bigger, and you can use cheaper materials to make it too

instead of the fucking beryllium just use a regular ass mirror. It's not like you need the mass savings.

>>16773177
Starship doesn't have the physical dimensions to carry and deploy an 11m long box.

>>16773177
As for beryllium mirrors, they're dimensionally stable at very low temperatures and have superior thermal properties. Exactly what is needed in the IR bands of a passively cooled space telescope.

>>16773188
Yes it does, just expend it and use a regular fairing.
>>16773196
They're also a huge pain in the dick to machine and there are similarly excellent materials for the structural backing; the actual mirror coating is gold.

>>16773201
>Just...

Please stop trying to make one off custom Starships for every problem. Engineering and engineering economics don't work that way.

>>16773206
Expendable starship variants are something the program already requires anyway. A space telescope is easily years out, so might as well just account for SpaceX being able to make one in a five to ten year timeframe.

>>16773201
As for the mirrors, again this is a telescope that requires dimensional stability. It's not some visual band light bucket. Not all mirrors are the same.

Please read the appropriate books on the building of Hubble, JWEST and the paper on this proposed scope.

>>16773207
>One

You do not make one offs lightly in mass production, especially when you already have a usable vehicle in FH. Please stop trying to force Starship as the solution to every problem.

>>16773208
If I'm not mistaken Invar family alloys are entirely suitable for these applications.
>>16773209
One as in booking one for the launch, not the only one ever, dude.

>>16773153
We can estimate their population from space with satellites.

>>16773035
LLMs are plateauing
there are other, complementary approaches that could push things further

https://x.com/StarshipGazer/status/1962706604198928453
>The next gen Version 3 Booster forward test tank B18.3 in the Starfactory tonight.

>>16773262
looks sovietish

>>16773263
>Not Clickbait
Well duh, there's nothing to click

god DAMN Jurvetson's gf is hot

>>16773262
cant believe superheavy and starship look like test models. just look at all those holes.

>>16773278
https://x.com/FutureJurvetson/status/1080961731944275968

eh, seems a bit hyperbolic

>>16773300
https://x.com/FutureJurvetson/status/1962552718763110429

maybe you are confusing her with the others with them
also its his wife

>>16773284
>Intergalactic
that's a bit too generous title to throw around
unless they know something I don't

>>16771199
Fun fact, the turbopumps for the V2 rockets were made by a company that made pumps for fire engines.

>>16771347
Personally for me it's fun to see bong politics. Certainly a nice change of pace from american politics. Or at least not wannabe american bongs. Definitely the most disheartening thing of the last 10 years is the direct importation of american political movements without even an attempt to adapt to local conditions. Makes the world feel small.

So if we are lucky two more flights this year. The next one being essentially a repeat mission to expend the last V2. Maybe a booster catch.

>>16771637
Man the US is lucky to have spacex, they'd be getting mogged hard by china right now if it weren't for them.

>>16773119
The wild west didnt succeed because of individualism either. The successes always depended on groups of people coming together.

>>16773128
>UN pop projections
The assumptions of UN pop projections are so silly. They assume every country will trend towards 2.1, so koreas bithrate will reach 2.1 from 0.7 exactly by 2100, no african country will go below 2.1 and all this is just a smooth curve from whatever a countries current birthrate is to 2.1
The UN is still run by lead laden boomers who believe in the population bomb and don't wanna accept the policies they advocated for are causing a population crash. For christs sake they're still talking about the importance of family planning and birth control while birthrates even in africa are crashing.

>>16772977
How about: STARDRAGON

>>16773262
Could just be a bunch of literal whos speculating on stuff they don’t know about, but online discussion seems to be that this new design will simply tank the powerful exhaust forces and temperatures of staging and that after a number of “rapid reuse” flights the whole booster will have to go on standdown back at the VAB for dome repair and integrated hot stage ring inspection

>>16773278
I thought he was gay?

>>16772861
Pox-ridden bitch

>>16772783
So does America.

>>16773262
>Just boring struts
Aw man

Why are people calling Flight 10 the quintessential “best flight of the program”? Honeymoon phase after a success? Oh, so v2 finally fucking worked and it ejected a few boilerplate sats… I think catching SuperHeavy on the previous flights was a bigger deal in terms of total program advancement.
>inb4 whatabout raptor relight
Who cares? Glad they got that checkbox filled but I think future flights with fuel transfer demo and upper stage SS catch will be more impressive

>>16773411
I think in terms of progressing the starship program it isn't the best flight (that'd be 4 or 5), but a lot went wrong on flight 10 and the ship and booster were resilient to the faults
>engine out on ascent no problem
>planned center engine failure with middle ring backup worked perfectly
>booster maintained control despite a gridfin locking up in full tilt
>on the ship: more tiles missing, an explosion in the aft section during reentry, still softly splashes down on target

>>16773411
they already did a raptor relight previously
but people see this as a bigger deal because SpaceX already has a lot of experience with booster landings and perhaps because they caught it at the first try it seems "easy" to people
landing (not that different from catching accuracy-wise) an orbital booster was a thing already
however, ejecting the boilerplate sats isn't really that impressive but it means the program can start moving forward hopefully
this mostly successful test flight also means that the problems with v2 have been mostly fixed and the v3 ship should not differ very much from v2 (a bit more propellant, v3 raptors) so I guess the expectation is that it should work almost right away

the big thing that is changing with the v3 stack is the booster

>>16773417
V3 engines better work or it’s an entire additional year of lost time

I had a moment today

>>16773420
watch v3 be just unreliable and fragile enough to need shielding, necessitating another 15 tons of dry mass on the booster.

>>16773430
Why would a booster need shielding?

>>16773436
to stop engine 33 from killing engines 32 and 27 when it explodes

>>16773421
Rockets everywhere for those with eyes to see

>>16773411
>Why are people calling the first 100% successful flight the “best flight of the program”?

Anon I...

https://www.comnews.ru/content/240960/2025-09-01/2025-w36/1007/tekhnologiya-5g-d2c-zadyshit-rossii

Interesting case of a Russian private satellite company buying a launch service on what looks like to be an upcoming chinese commercial RLV

>>16773460
Non orcish source?

>>16773420
The other side of this coin is that if v3 engines end up working fine, then the program is probably going to ramp up again and make leaps and bounds exponentially like how it felt during the hop campaign & first flights.

>>16773460
The situation is dire

>>16773421
>labeled "staples"
>has a picture of a pen on it
>it's actually a notebook

>>16773463
Starship development has never felt exponential. It's been extremely long and tedious. They've been working on this shit since 2014 and have yet to deploy a useful payload. Fucking Shuttle was developed faster and from a less advantageous starting point. You can point at cadence, but does it matter if even the very good flights only bring marginal improvement?
V3 better deliver.

>>16773486
>They've been working on this shit since 2014
No they haven't, they've only been working on it since 2019.

Going off the service life of a Merlin, which is about 10 flights before major refurbishment, Starship boosters will have a service life of 10 flights. Not great.
With the V3 engine they are giving up on the idea of being able to refurb the engines at all, since everything is inside. Musk says they will cut the engines in half and weld them back together, but that's obviously fucking stupid. Seems like Superheavy may be substantially less reusable than falcon in that sense.

>>16773487
>they've only been working on it since 2019.
How much of a newfag are you? 2019 is when they started making flight hardware? It was 5 years between Enterprise (the glider) and STS-1, so shuttle was faster even in that regard.
Shuttle program started 4 years before Enterprise, the hardest and longest task was developing the engines which they were doing from day 1.
Raptor for Starship has been in development since 2014. How tf can you even say that the program started in 2019 when Musk was very vocally claiming they were doing the program in 2016? Deluded or trolling.

>>16773495
Development of the Shuttle began in the sixties.

>>16773495
If we're going off of pre-cursor paper rockets then the shuttle started development in 1957 as dynasoar

>>16773490
Methane engine needs less refurb than kerosene engine

The reason we don't hear radio signals is because radio is retarded
The reason we don't see dyson spheres is because dyson spheres are retarded
Zoo Hypothesis is the solution to the Fermi """Paradox"""

>>16773507
>>16773509
they can't keep getting away with it

Fuh-Q

>Space Force likely moving to Alabama
I wonder what will happen to the space fence

>>16772123
I don't think the market for space internet is that large. Fiber and 5G are usually superior when they are available, which tend to be the places that have lots of customers with high purchasing power. Also, in ten years there will be strong competition, which will drive profit margins to zero. Furthermore, I think you underestimate how expensive interplanetary colonization will actually be.

I haven't noticed much money being funneled into actual interplanetary colonization yet, only into a potentially dual purpose transport system.

>>16773507
The launches aren't relevant; progress to a functional system is. Starship progress has been slow and recently seemed to be going backwards for a time.

>>16773487
It actually began even earlier than 2014. Raptor development began around 2012

>>16773515
>Also, in ten years there will be strong competition, which will drive profit margins to zero.
retard alert
even if the other players were credible (they aren't), they're fighting an established player with first mover advantage, who can operate more profitably by virtue of having more market share
you still need a whole constellation even if barely anyone uses it, because the satellites aren't in GEO

>>16773517
>Falcon 9 was a finished vehicle on its first launch

>>16773456
Great they proved V2 wasn’t a total waste of time as it was heading out the door. HLS demo on the Moon in 2 weeks

>>16773522
>first mover advantage
What are these first mover advantages? The ground terminal is quite cheap; vendor lock-in effects are very weak. Even more so when phone connectivity; phones will probably be equipped to be compatible with at least 2 alternatives out of the box.

>you still need a whole constellation even if barely anyone uses it
A basic constellation to cover the globe is just a few thousand satellites. You only need a larger constellation if you want to increase user density.

>>16773519
And shuttle development began in 1957

>>16773526
Flight 3 was a revenue flight performing services for a customer

>>16773530
>just a few thousand satellites

>>16773062
>AI CAN DO LE METHMATICS
woah, holy shit, nobody ever expected AI to be able to do that.

>>16773531
By that logic, Starship development began in 1921 when Goddard began developing liquid rockets

>>16773537
By that logic shuttle dev started in 1390 with wan hu doing the first human spaceflight

>>16773535
Kuiper plans 3,236 in total. Starlink began commercial services in 2021 when it had ~1,500. China's Qianfan plans to begin limited regional service with 648 and global coverage with 1,296.

>>16773539
按照你这样的分析,星舰本来是黄帝开发的。

>>16773539
We might be able to take it back as far as ~1000AD when rockets might have been invented

>>16773540
Yeah and at this rate they'll lose their license when they fail to put "just a few thousand" into orbit next year

>>16773539
>>16773542
Why stop there? Fire was invented at least 790,000 years ago

>>16773543
Will they? Qianfan filed in 2023, so they should have until 2032 to reach the 10% (1,300) milestone.

And even if they lose their ITU slots, so what? They'll likely launch anyway, ITU slot or not.

>>16773546
Kuiper

>>16773547
Doesn't the same logic apply for Kuiper? The ITU license can just be ignored, the FCC license can just be extended.

>>16773526
It WAS a finished vehicle. It was launching dummy payloads to test that it was indeed finished, worked perfectly, then proceeded to do commercial launches. Starship is nowhere near a finished vehicle and in it's present state is totally incapable of completing basic design requirements. Twice the thrust of Saturn V yet payload to orbit roughly equal to that of falcon. Humiliating really.

>>16773560
SpaceX doesn't need a finished vehicle this time
F9 had a MVP version that got then updated for better performance
this time SpaceX doesn't need to produce a MVP and can start iterating much more aggressively and quickly, which will probably ultimately get to a much better place compared to if they did a MVP and then had to keep a bunch of "tech debt" with them like with F9

I feel like basic understanding of the Falcon 9 development cycle and Falcon XXX-Raptor/BFR/ITS/Starships dev cycle history should be basic requirements before positing. Many of you need to lurk way more

Ok but why haven't they made any progress towards Flight 11? What are they doing? What the fuck are they waiting for?

I feel like basic understanding of the apollo development cycle and dyna-soar/aerospaceplane/ILRV/DC-3/space shuttle dev cycle history should be basic requirements before posting. Many of you need to lurk way more

They're so far ahead of the competition that they could just pretty much keep printing money with F9 and Starlink for the next ten years at least. Starship R&D is burning a lot of money, but it doesn't even really have a proper reason to exist unless they can achieve every last thing they want it to do. So they can and should keep minmaxing Starship until it can do every circus trick, if the end product was a compromise in any way, the whole thing has just been pointless

>>16772915
>>16772929
Spaceflight will be the age of sail. We basically sailed to the Moon and back in a raft, now it's time to construct large vessels in orbit and launch them en masse to Mars.

Mars is the new American frontier. Inhospitable and unforgiving, but we will bring life to it.

>>16773560
>and in it's present state is totally incapable of completing basic design requirements
>literally just deployed a test payload

>>16773534
How many flights did it take for F9 to land, how many for reuse.

>>16773513
Isn't that based on an island in the Pacific?

Supposedly Trump will announce they are moving space command today
Who loses? Who Gains? What is the tradeoff? Will this change literally anything that matters?

>>16773590
>Will this change literally anything that matters?
No

>>16773590
>Who loses?
Colorado

>Who Gains?
Alabama

ROCKET CITY

>>16773590
>We are losing the race to China very badly and to Russia
Space force has nothing to do with Artemis. Russia?

>>16772943
We will never settle in the ravine because we are too retarded to land in places that aren't completely flat

>>16773570
there is no hurry now, after Flight 11 you have to wait for the first v3 stack to actually be constructed (both the ship and booster are not finished) and then you have the pad that is still under construction and then has to be tested before launch
probably 4-6 months before v3 launches, plenty of time to launch the last v2 stack
might as well digest the flight data and make some considered changes for tests if this is the only launch for a while
but I mean they will probably launch it pretty soon, tile testing in particular will probably inform v3 ship as well
its just that launching one week earlier or later isn't going to affect things much if you have to wait for the v3 stack anyway

>>16773574
yeah, the point is to decrease cost of mass to space massively, not just have a big launch vehicle

>>16773600
Who are you quoting?

>>16773611
POOTIS
Maybe he is talking about the weaponization of space. Who knows.

>>16773616
No you aren't.

>>16773602
angry boomer is right though, there is tons of resources and the massive cliff faces will massively reduce radiation exposure

It is inevitable

>>16773626
Only took them 60 years

>>16773590
>“President Trump is doing the right thing by moving SPACECOM back to its rightful home in Sweet Home Alabama. This was never supposed to be about politics. After a thorough selection process involving 66 possible locations, Huntsville was chosen fair and square. But unfortunately, the Biden Administration chose politics over national security. Thankfully, President Trump, Secretary Hegseth, and Secretary Meink are restoring merit and integrity to the process and saving taxpayers nearly a half a billion dollars. We couldn’t be more excited to immediately welcome SPACECOM to the Rocket City.”
>Sen. Tommy Tuberville (AL)
Shelby's ghost still has power.
>But Shelby is still alive
He's gained mastery over the astral plane.

>>16773628
Better than taking 70 years or more.

>>16773590
>>16773635
Colorado is a retarded place to have space command and was done by the Biden admin for partisan political purposes.

>>16773576
>literally just deployed a test payload
Cant have been more than 5t worth of payload, NOT to a viable orbit.
Btw payload deployment is not the real hurdle. the real hurdle is somehow improving performance by literally 10x, while also making the vehicle fully and rapidly reusable.

>>16773638
Alabama is a retarded place to have space command and was done by the Trump admin for partisan political purposes.

https://x.com/SpaceX/status/1962961587049832623/photo/1
>Views from onboard Starship's tenth flight test
Kino.

Imagine believing this blatant CGI

>>16773639
Anon those big Starlinks are 2 tons each.

>>16773640
Anon you aren't helping yourself appear credible, but anyway having it in Colorado would be like having the Coast Guard HQ in Oklahoma.

>>16773646
Stargate Command is in Colorado

>>16773646
but colorado is closer to space than most states

>>16773646
What is NORAD

>>16773664
Radars pointed at Russia.

what the fuck is this boomer doing

>>16773641
why aren't these in 4k? My desktop needs a new wallpaper.

>>16773367
No that's Mueller.

https://youtu.be/-0-mqX6Hk9I
you'll never guess what this soft spoken british person says around 2:30 into the video

>>16773687
NIGGERS

>>16773674
Engagement farming, such is life as a youtuber in the big 25 [math]\unicode{x1F940}[/math]

>>16773509
When will we reach peak Falcon

>>16773698
2 weeks

>>16773704
She is my queen VGH

>>16773698
We never will because Starlink production can't keep up.

>>16773710
I know merlins and second stages aren’t terribly complex all things considered, buts it’s nonetheless insane how fast they are pumping out F9 second stages

>>16773704
>25 launches in 2025

>>16773687
How can someone be so boring is beyond me.

Am I seeing this incorectly or does the artemis lady actually have tattoos all on her back like a crack head hooker?

>>16773713
kek it’s gonna be sad when we roll over into the next calendar year because I’ve gotten a lot of mileage out of this one. Did they give an estimate as to their 2026 plan?

>>16773718
26 launches

>>16773717
Why do you think she's getting sent on the mission?

>>16773716
The irony is that he’s discussing probably the #2 most boring book ever

>>16773719
I’ll shitpost this January 1, 2026.

>>16773717
idc I like her. The artemis II crew is cool

>>16773718
the 25 number was just the max from the enviromental assessment, it was never really a plan

>>16773731
>spaceXissies already rewriting history to cope

>>16773731
Oh so all the anons saying the FAA was the bottleneck were wrong

>>16773713
18 flights in December trust the plan

>>16773731
lol

>>16773731
Didn't the 25 number originate from the rate ULA wanted to fly Vulcan at?

>>16773740
No it was FAA licensing

>>16773735
its more complicated than that
if SpaceX was unlucky with the enviromental assessment (that took years) then they might not have been able to launch Starship from boca chica at all
FAA isn't the bottleneck 100% of the time, but they have definitely been the thing slowing things down at times (and I guess sometimes it has been other government agencies, not really the FAA, they have just been waiting for reports from other agencies)
but the fact is FAA has also been fucking with SpaceX sometimes

>>16773653
and the Stargate is right there, your point?

>>16773747
I simply refuse to believe this at this point. SpaceX launched SN8 without a license, in peak Biden era when everyone was saying they had SX explicitly in their crosshairs. This alone should have shut the entire program down for a year of grounding and investigation—but the FAA said ehh mistakes happen.
The FAA has been extremely accommodating. Yes no regulation at all would be best in an ideal world, but SpaceX spent large chunks of time this year with distracted middle management and Elon “out of office” on the campaign trail. Yeah maybe ONE TIME the FAA got caught up with paperwork after a quick stacking and Musk rifles out a little
>Starships are meant to fly!
tweet. But who is preventing SpaceX from flying a majority of the time? It’s not bad faith actors at the FAA. It’s the flight team not being ready while their boss is on the medical melty tour

https://x.com/ItayBlumental/status/1962964752998584395
>The Ministry of Defense, the IDF, and the Israel Aerospace Industries launched the Ofek 19 satellite into space a short time ago from the Palmachim base.

Did Israel just fuck up another Shavit nozzle?

>>16773754
Hamas did it or something

>>16773753
>The FAA has been extremely accommodating

>>16773754
Does look it could be a nozzle failure, but it doesn't lose much, if any, speed, so it might just be a combustion chamber flaw or instability.

>>16773757
>chamber
Should have just said combustion, since it's a solid fuel rocket.

>>16773754
oh no, stinky!

>>16773761
None of its ten attempts aspired to reach orbit, either.

>>16773754
For comparison, here's the last Shavit-2 launch from back in 2023.

>>16773688
I don't like those guys

>>16773754
I think that is normal for Shavit, similar to how some launch hardware is ejected early from Dnepr and other ICBM-based launchers.

>>16773735
FAA being the bottleneck was obvious bs. Especially after those 4 flights ina row which blew up and dispersed debris way outside the intended area, and the FAA basically did nothing.

>>16773756
Literally yes

>>16773770
>and dispersed debris way outside the intended area

Watching this anon try to gaslight the Biden era obstructionism is quite entertaining.

>>16773778
The one (1) time theFAA caused delays was aftr IFT1 because car sized chunks of concrete were dispersed over several km. Clearly a major malfunction.

>>16773747
>but the fact is FAA has also been fucking with SpaceX sometimes
Gerstenmaier testified in Oct. 2023 that FAA was being too slow
https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/10/citing-slow-starship-reviews-spacex-urges-faa-to-double-licensing-staff/

>>16773778
He didn’t invite me to the electric car event therefore they are obviously out to kill me and cripple spacex.
No, me calling the next POTUS a pedo and threatening to end dragon on my own terms as leverage whilst not launching starships for month-long stretches despite permitting to do so is unrelated why do you ask?

>>16773770
they were in the intended area

>>16773778
every time, he is relentless

>>16773781
at one point FAA started fining SpaceX for some random bullshit that another entity had already approved and which actually had the jurisdiction
it was pretty clear they were slowing things down on purpose (on top of being incompetent) and going after Musk and SpaceX in general (along with a bunch of other agencies)
and it ramped up the closer it got to the election
the lawfare is one big reason why Musk became so fired up in the first place

>>16773784
None of that ever happened schizo. And Binden was on a relentles rampage to cripple SpaceX. Bidet tried to get Musk sent to prison through entrapment and openly bragged about how hewas going to nationalize SpaceX.

>spacex does something they know not to do and have been told not to do
>get a small fine
>FKNG BIDEN IS OUT TO GET ME

>biden was after Elon despite being unable to string two thoughts together
k... keep me posted

Whoever this anon is who is clearly aa do nothing woke demonrat needs to be banned for trolling.

>be delayed by FAA for not even a fucking second
>THOSE GODDAMN DEMOCRATS

The FAA sabotaged V2 btw

the FAA tried to assassinate mr trump

>>16773809
>>16773811

FAA

>>16773800
Truly a grand and mischievous puppet master!

shut the fuck up. we all know you voted for harris.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxzgYcEGyLQ

Other black space man live in 5

>>16772998
>ai will make humans obsolete
ok
>soon
lol

So NASA was keen to get away from ceramic tiles as soon as they realised how much of a pain in the ass they are with Shuttle. With the disasterous case study of the SHuttle in mind, why on earth did SpaceX decide to do a carbon copy of the shuttle heat shield for full and rapid reusability?

>>16773862
Because the only way to do a human capsule integrated with either a large payload bay and/or a large fuel tank is by making a spaceplane design

>>16773872
But you can do a spaceplane with a different thermal protection system.

>>16773874
Not really, there’s a reason the BFR team decided to make a spaceplane

>>16773862
I guarantee you some guy pitched the tile replacement as fully automated

>>16773862
>carbon copy
virtually every individual shuttle tile was unique in shape. there is a reason spacex is used hexagonal tiles. they are easier to mass produce and install

>>16773884
kek. real. I can imagine it right now.
>>16773880
Are you trolling or just can't read?

>>16773862
SpaceX is testing metallic tiles too but they weigh more if I remember correctly (musk said this on the latest EDA Starbase tour)

>>16773907
The new version does look stronger.

>>16773907
What happened to the structural stringers or whatever the engineering term is called for those vertical load increasers (anyone know the more technical name?)

>>16773918
Strakes if they're aerodynamic, stringers if they're merely load-bearing

>>16773590
>Supposedly Trump will announce they are moving space command today
its been known that this would happen for awhile. its all politics, part of which is supposedly meant to offset nasa job losses in huntsville. the only people surprised by this are the ones that havent been paying attention.

So like is NASA ever going to have a fucking administrator ever again or?

>>16773899
You my just have to take the hit for the sake of full and rapid reusability ultimately. 20% hit to payload is worth it if you can drastically save on turnaound time. I hope the rust on flight 10 wasnt the metallic tile catastrophically failing.

>>16773490
>the service life of a Merlin, which is about 10 flights before major refurbishment
Source please, I'm not aware of any information about how many flights Merlins can take and I'd really like to have some

Think they'll use metallic tiles going forward?

>>16773942
its better than the cotton candy tiles

>>16773499
Looking at it that way Starship pretty much started with the founding of the company, there's that 2005 article where Elon says he wants a Saturn V-tier rocket eventually. Also for actual work IIRC early concepts for (hydrolox) Raptor started in 2009, with some actual work from 2012 (?) and then the switch to methane in 2014

>>16773942
did the metallic tiles they were testing survive?

>>16773942
50/50

>>16773950
They sharted a bit

>>16773960
thats cgi

The RFQ* for the NASA Moonbase nuke is up. 5 REM isn't too bad -- 5 chest xrays and a standard EPA maximum "safe" yearly dose. But at 1 kilometer? Sounds like resetting the reactor will be a suicide mission just like on 4AM.

*Different organizations use different terms, but they mean the same thing. A request for quotes.

>>16773960
Catching with a tower seemed so retarded at the time, but in hindsight it actually makes so much sense. SpaceX have so much control over where the hell these rockets are and what they do

>>16773962
your mom is cgi

>>16773968
Where the fuck is our lunar bulldozer guy
Bury that shit in regolith

Which will happen first: 100 people all in space at once, or 25 people all on the lunar surface at once?

>>16773949
>Looking at it that way Starship pretty much started with the founding of the company
I remember always coming back to this exact picture back in the early KSP days.
Interesting to remember that SpaceXes entire sucess is down to the very happy accident of having an engine too small for their rocket. If they went with a single giant engine then booster recovery would have been impossible, and they would have never had the funds to develop Falcon XX. SpaceX would reained another unsucesful Musk side hustle like SolarCity or Boring Company.

Soon.

>>16773968
Just use a long pushrod to reset it

>>16773980
25 on moon.
Once there's a moonbase it'll be easy and natural to increase the crew numbers. It will make less sense to have 100 people in a space station anywhere that isn't the moon.

>>16773989
Explain how a moonbase will be any functionally different from a space station, apart from being muh harder to get to?
>mine resoures
lol, lmao

>>16773590
This was supposed to be the price for cancelling SLS, but right now it's looking like Alabama just gets to have its pork and eat it, too.

>>16773989
In this hypothetical it’s just total amount of people, they don’t necessarily have to be in the same ship or space station. I think we will see 100 people in space aboard multiple different stations before we even have 10 people total on the Moon at once from both America and China combined

>>16773968
which nuke are you referring too? is this the kilopower or something else?

>resetting
use a robotic vehicle. not like we can't build vehicles capable of lunar traversal

>>16773991
Gravity?

>>16773862
>shittle tiles were shit, therefore all tiles are shit

Ayy body recovered.

>>16774000
Anon starship tiles are the exact same material as shuttle tiles except thinner so if anything more prone to break.

>>16773991
Gravity makes everything easier. A more sane day night cycle so your cuck station isn't getting rotated like a rotisserie chicken every 90 minutes. Far fewer maintenance issues related to thermal cycling.

>>16773991
There's physical stuff to do research on

>>16774012
>>16774013
speculative and hand waving. LEO will populate faster than any lunar base

>>16774009
No. Shuttle tiles used LI-900 silica ceramics with RCG coating. Starship tiles evolve from NASA’s TUFI/AETB, using tougher silica-alumina composites with a modified RCG coating containing molybdenum disilicide. This is verified by third parties and recovered tiles.

>>16773862
No. See >>16774016
Also Starship’s tiles are standardized, mass manufactured, denser, and designed for rapid reuse on a steel structure (heat-tolerant). Shuttle’s were far more fragile, custom tiles on aluminum. The design philosophy and requirements are drastically different.

>>16774015
Why
There's nothing in LEO, just vacuum.

>>16774007
not convinced by this.
The beings people report do not look like that at all. they also have 4 fingers, not three.

Moreover these guys are clearly artificial organisms. They are far too similar to humans to have evolved naturally, so even if it is the body of a deceased grey, they aren't really even alien by the strictest definition of the word

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxzgYcEGyLQ
its up

>>16774032
tl;dw

>>16774007
Based Insprucker implementing TAD

>>16774032
ts;dw

>>16774038
spaceSUX put methane and oxygen vents too close to eachother

I wish Elon were king

>>16774043
He’s king of certain things alright

>>16774043
He will be, just not on e*rth.

>>16773542
>>16773545
it's been 13.8 billion years since musk promised to land on mars

>>16774012
>700 hour days
>sane
on the ISS you close the windows and have artificial lights, on the moon you try to do the same and then freeze to death because the sun disappeared for two entire fucking weeks

>>16774085
It's not about indoor lighting for comfort, it's about thermal cycling on the hull of the pressure vessel. There's way too much of that in LEO.

>>16774016
Do you have links to any resources or interesting info on starship tiles (that isn't Breaking Taps or wikipedia); I really want to learn more about the tiles mostly so that I can murder blunderfagg00t followers with facts and logic but also because it's just interesting

>>16774088
>muh thermal cycling
the reduction in maintenance due to reduced thermal cycling is more than completely offset by all of the maintenance required for the nuclear reactor and all of its associated heat distribution and thermal management systems; and no, you can't handwave those away as being incidental to using a nuke in the first place. this is because you don't need a fucking nuclear reactor anywhere else inside of the asteroid belt; mars can make do entirely with solar for power generation and it doesn't have giga retardo barely survivable monthly ice ages. The nuke is absolutely a requirement for the moon base, and the reason it's required is the lunar night, that isn't up for debate. therefore, all of the negative consequences for having a nuclear reactor are drop-in replacements for the issues you avoid by not having rapid thermal cycling. The long temp cycles aren't even an advantage, it's explicitly a worse situation that has many more problems that are significantly harder to mitigate.

you're doing the autist thing where you hyperfocus on one tiny little 2% advantage and neglect the dozen everest-sized roadblocks and three quagmire of shit you have to climb over and wade through to realize that miniscule benefit in the first place. The lunar thermal environment is only slightly less awful than venus and mercury, and worse than every single other place inside of the asteroid belt - including any free-flying space station.

>>16774103
Ok so what are you going to do in LEO with nothing but hard vacuum around
Why are you there
There's a reason to be on the moon - that's where the moon is. There's nothing in free space.

>>16774106
Just being in space IS the point, retard.

>>16773980
By at once you mean in the same base?
Because if there are more moon bases it's not difficult to reach 25.
100 people in one single big space station serves no real purpose unless it's the beginning of an attempt of a much larger scale.

china's military parade was yesterday and they had a ton of new weapons on display. did anyone see anything related to space?

>>16774120
no. just some huge ICBMs

>>16774120
today*

>>16774106
zero G and ard vacuum ARE reasons for being in orbit rather than on the surface of a celestial body, if you don't already know the reasons they're sought after then that would also explain why you're so retarded about the moon

I bet you're a helium-3 faggot too aren't you

>>16774120
>>16774121
>>16774122
They did show off these, which may be large enough to perform some anti-satellite functions.

>>16773862
Shittle tiles had over ten problems that made them ass to install. Most could have been fixed if they were allowed to update and iterate on them.

>>16774128
afaik those are for putting on naval surface vessels

>>16774123
>zero G
For what purpose
>hard vacuum
We have that on the moon base

>>16774138
>zero G
>For what purpose
Comfy

>>16774089
NSF has a heat shield mega thread. What's wrong with breaking taps?

>>16773800
>Biden tried to get Musk sent to prison through entrapment
Nothing even remotely close to that happen

>>16774024
Because 250 miles to LEO is closer than 250,000 miles to the Lunar surface. In every way: distance, time, Delta, cost.

>>16774032
Fuck off you nigger loving faggot

>>16774130
>afaik
Leddit moment

>>16774103
Near the poles on the moon you can have constant solar power.

>>16773991
We need to start settling the moon so we can honeycomb the entire crust with enormous subsurface habitats and have a trillion people live there