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>>16778123 (OP)
first for Boomer control panels

>>16778138
That window view looks like CGI

>>16778139
chrome gold is pure sex

>>16778143
*pure shit

>>16778144
we need to go back to the opulent art deco version of reality. ugly brutalism and modernism needs to die

For old time's sake, here are this week's launches courtesy of nextspaceflight.com:
Monday, September 8th:
- Jielong 3, sea launch
- Falcon 9, KSC
- Long March 7A, Wenchang
Wednesday, September 10th:
- Falcon 9, Vandenberg
Thursday, September 11th:
- Soyuz 2.1a, Baikonur
Friday, September 12th:
- Soyuz 2.1b, Plesetsk
Saturday, September 13th:
- Falcon 9, Vandenberg

>>16778139
They really want to make Gort happen

>>16778146
sounds like you want C-3PO

>>16778139
>"if i cant replace american workers with h1-b indians im going to do it with robots"
>"fuck. american. workers."
chill tf out elon

sssspppppeeeeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhs

>>16778151
Where's that water tower going

>>16778139
This looks so fucking soulless. We really should've never ended the Mars effort after the 80s.

that audio of the rain while the drone captures the static fire is very nice and comfy

>>16778139
When are theygoing to cover the waist with sheets rather tan having these joints exposed? The hips would look far more natural and it would be safer for end users.

>>16778123 (OP)
Why the two beams?

>>16778222
Adds mass to hit their mass target.

>>16778222
stability.

>>16778222
the keep the booster from being squished. these are the direction that needs reinforcement from the force of the chopsticks closing hard on it. just look where the catch pins are, this prevents it from being pinched, and they were not there before they started catch attempts

>>16778123 (OP)
THIS THREAD IS AGAINST THE /SFG/ RULES!!!!!!!! ABORT ABORT

https://x.com/Ringwatchers/status/1964798773311496318
>A comparison of the forward sections on Boosters 14 and 15. The most visible change on Booster 15, added before its first flight, was the addition of two beams connecting together sides of the topmost face.

>>16778248
for like a few more hours

>>16778253
Imagine how much energy a 12m booster stuffed with r3's underneath would give out and the deluge system needed to mitigate such a ship

>>16778253
It's basically on a milk stool already, to the anon asking about that a while ago
Also neat how the tower naturally deflects and protects the tank farm. Hadn't given that a notice before

>>16778253
>even more dry mass

>>16778253
why doesn't it take off bros

>Alien Mummies Found In Peru (DNA Test REVEALED!) | Exclusive Documentary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxQN2tkQHs8

>>16778283
not chinese enough

>>16778284
that was me, sorry.

>>16778284
faggot shit. not /sci/ or space related

>>16778284
they don't look like that

>>16778308
>aliens aren't space related

Be real. We've all felt like this at some point.

>>16778318
They just don't look like this at all. There are three types of non-human ayy that I am 100% confident exist.
>grey faggots
>hybrids
>Mantis guys

none of them look like this.

>>16778147
There may be a CZ-2C from Jiuquan on the 14th depending on your time zone, too.

>>16778338
It's times like these I really wish I could adjust NSF's auto-timezone adjustment to UTC

This might be just the kick I need to just switch my system clock to UTC

>>16778324
What about space elves?

>>16778139
When is it gonna be actually useful? Every time I see the same folding clothes demo they still do it slowly and badly

>>16778324
The ayy mummies are hybrids though.

>>16778324
The mantis looking guys are the most alien looking aliens and have a variety of very distinct features that add to their legitimacy as a naturally evolved species from another biosphere.

>humanoid body plan but not "human"
>very elongated neck
Likely has more neck vertebrae than humans
>Mandibles
Obviously a very different mouth anatomy
>completely different digit arrangement from humans, two pairs of opposing digits
only animals that have this Heterodactyly arrangement are birds as far as I know, and that's with their hind legs.
>enormous eyes
unlikely they are nocturnal as nocturnal animals generally do not evolve to be intelligent. Maybe this is an adaptation to a planet with a lower overall light level like from a red or orange dwarf.
>stiff torso/shoulder
When they move to grab something, some people describe their arm movements as very planar, as if they have no flexibility in their torso or shoulder joint like we do. That would make sense if they didn't evolve from tree dwelling ancestors as there really wouldn't be a need for that flexibility to evolve like it did with us.
>resting posture has the arms held up
this one is more subtle. Humans naturally default to having their arms by their sides. If these have an alternate resting posture that potentially indicates a different muscle/ligament arrangement where the bicep or equivalent muscle has no problem being contracted for extended periods. Try holding your arms up like a praying mantis, they get tired after a few minutes. These guys don't have that problem

At the very least it's an interesting exercise in speculative biology

>>16778324
I hope my assigned ayyfu will be a mantis gal

>>16778350
>>16778324
why do none of these ayy jackasses wear clothes?

>>16778355
They're all perverts, only reason to bother with earth is porn and/or xenophilia.

>>16778355
They do but it's hard to see and people genuinely might just miss that detail entirely. It's some advanced garment with a similar consistency to nylon. I felt it once, it's definitely elastic and form fitting. when you tug on it and let go it springs back. similar texture to yoga pants or stockings I guess? That sort of thing

The mantis guys seem to wear some rather elaborate dress occasionally. Some people report cartoonishly high collar robes. Never seen them myself but other people have reported that much.

>>16778351
If you are an abductee you get hybrid gf from birth.

>>16778152
It JUST got scrapped after many years.

>>16778355
They have evolved beyond the need for pants

>>16778373
Yeah.. I will try that next time I get caught jerking off to strangers in the local park.

what were they thinking?

>>16778394
I'll never be over macho grande

Join Starfleet

>>16778394
They were thinking how they could fly this beast blindfolded, high-T test pilots of this era were crazy

his fist-pumps after landing are heartwarming

>>16778217
the owners are just going to put them in the clothes they want anyway, maybe a nice butler's tux or coveralls if it's doing dirty work

>>16778394
>putting humans in a never before flown rocket and sending them to orbit
what different times they were

earth:
>yeah aquifers are mostly sand and gravel with some water in there
europa:
>bigass subsurface ocean dude
>yeah just kilometers of void with nothing but water down there I swear
>couldn't possibly be slush, no way
why are they like this? they can't possibly know that

>>16778500
Every 6 months they’re saying some new obscure moon for sure has a huge ocean

>>16778394
>John Young
"I went to the moon twice. I coulda retired. Now I'm gonna die in this stupid piece of shit"

>Robert Crippen
"I coulda gone to the moon and retired. Instead I chose the retarded MOL program. I've been an astronaut for 15 years and I'm gonna die in this stupid piece of shit on my first fucking flight."

>>16778509
They study the wobble in the object's motion:
https://www.hou.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2025/pdf/1307.pdf

>>16778500
>no you can't just send a probe and find out
>you should give up before you start

>>16778520
hey man that's not me.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: 100 ton tungsten dart europa impactor mission. lets poke a hole in that bitch and see what she's really like

Not saying 3I Atlas is aliens, but it's aliens.

>>16778522
100 tons is way too much to be viable but I love the KKV concept.
Get the KKV up to speed during injection and have a small satellite separate and enter orbit to see what got kicked up.

I interviewed at a startup founded by three former Starship engineers recently. The job wasn't for me but I learned some WILD shit about the fucked up state of Starship lol. What a shit show

>>16778533
The rocket equation says it needs a heap more thrust and to be a shitload bigger to get a useful payload of orbit, nothing is going to change that.
The best hope for it being useful is to ditch second stage reusability and just turn it into a bigger Falcon 9.

If you were gonna use starship as a weapon would you lob it as a bomb or have it hover and drift while torching everything with its engines?

NASA doesn't have a probe to send or redirect to 3I Atlas, because NASA is a giant yellow bureaucratic garden slug that can't do anything in less than two decades for 5 billion dollars.

However, there are some assets already out there that could make observations, if someone got their act together in time. The probes around Mars can have a gander, while Psyche was a relatively close 0.3 AU.

>>16778526
I seriously doubt it is because why would aliens capable of making giant breath mints that zip around at mach 50 and can stop on a dime in less than a second use an imitation comet as their mode of transport

https://medium.com/@timventura/uap-science-speculation-are-they-advanced-non-human-craft-48cb01701c0f
>"we looked at several cases where we estimated speeds and accelerations — speeds reaching up to 45,000 miles an hour and accelerations of up to about 6,000 Gs. "

And then we have what is essentially a funny comet traveling at a funny angle and is outgassing funny materials that normal comets usually don't. is it an alien spacecraft? One that just happens to look like a comet and have cometary features and doesn't act like any other alleged alien craft? Or maybe, just maybe, it just formed in a different environment than the comets we are familiar with did so it has a different composition.

If you really want to find evidence of non human intelligence maybe look in our own backyard first before assuming any funny space rock is made by aliens

>>16778545
>NASA doesn't have a probe to send or redirect to 3I Atlas because they don't have the freedom to just build shit without congresses say so.
Politicians decide what the engineers and researchers do instead of the researchers and engineers.

I'm all for nationalized space programs but you need them to be given the freedom of the military to decide what they need rather than have clueless boomers decide what is and isn't worth doing.

>>16778542
the way you use starship as a weapon is by having it deploy military satellites
both of your proposed uses are giga retarded

>>16778510
no, that's how people like you think, not winners like them

>>16778555
In his defence we use to use liquid fuelled rockets to deliver warheads.

Elon is advocating for an AFD like nationalist party in Japan to usurp power from the incumbent political elite. Incited a nationwide riot in UK. Calling for the overthrow of western EU countries. Amplifying white nationalist content and saying the quiet part out loud. Threatened and tried to strongarm the political right. The political left considers him an existential threat to their power.

He's getting axed either way. Humans are not going to be a multi planetary civilization in our lifetime bros. How do you cope?

>>16778573
The demographic problem is an existential risk for western countries

goodnight sfg

>>16778546
They might not be the same aliens
>Tic-tacs = Eldar
>3I Atlas = Orks

>>16778573
The political left are discredited and without power

>>16778578
I fond it very unlikely that there are other civilizations with a level of technology so close to our own that they use sublight transportation methods. Mean time between civilizations emerging should be fairly large due to how rare civilization level intelligence likely is.
We should expect anyone out there to be millions of years more advanced than us, not hundreds or thousands. Moreover I don't see civilizations regressing technologically once they are capable of interstellar space travel. even if there is a regressive faction the expansionist faction with better technology is likely always going to win out over time. We should expect whoever is out there to be using the best technology at their disposal.

on top of all of this the more advanced species that is flying the tictacs likely has a vested interest in the status quo being maintained (otherwise they would have shown themselves) so they would probably intercept any potential outside probes and destroy them to maintain that status quo.

I just dont see it making any sense.

>>16778573
Leftism and spaceflight are incompatible.

>>16778573
>Incited a nationwide riot in UK.
That was the millions of Pakis who keep raping and killing people that the Government keeps trying to keep under wraps and then punish native Britons for daring to say something against it, you fucking idiot.

>>16778528
Do a few of them at once hitting different locations.

>>16778573
I don't think you understand the situation. Weimar 2: USA Edition is ending, but where Nazi Germany had fairly slim odds to win, the USA cannot realistically be opposed, and the rejection of West-degrading policies is skyrocketing across the pond. There are going to be European politicians hanging from lamp posts and migrant corpses clogging the Seine within ten years. Maybe as few as five.
Pre-WWI-style American imperialism is coming back, and I don't think it's going to slow down until the Moon has nuclear missile bases and the Earth is subdued utterly.

>>16778588
god I wish this was true...

>>16778590
No country or coalition is able to militarily oppose the United States. Not even close. If we can address a few key domestic political and economic issues, the rest is inevitable. Nothing can avert Europe burning.
Let's check back in five years.

>>16778593
this assumes no funny business from "(((globalists)))"

>>16778583
Literal Communists were first in space.

NB4 Muh V2

>>16778598
USSR communists are not the same as modern leftists

>>16778596
They overplayed their hand and you are watching the backlash in progress.
Elon bought the global town square and built his own backup internet. Starlink isn't just fancy wifi, anon. They do not and can not control the narrative anymore.

>>16778600
>Russian Communists aren't Leftists because -- they're just not okay!

Sorry, but you don't get to arbitrarily redefine terms by personal whim here.

>>16778609
Soviets believed in progress and expansion. Leftists believe in death and extinction.

>>16778610
meds
now

>>16778609
I have redefined the terms of the discussion.
Pray I do not redefine them further.

Fully automated luxury gay space communism now comrades

I might strongly dislike leftism, socialism, and whatnot, but I just love Soviet space aesthetics. It's got such a unique essence to it. Simply put, kino.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMoCM_FgLP8

>>16778601
>(((globalists)))
see picrel

But the ruling class is not going to throw their hands up and give up the state apparatus they've been building for half a century because le reddit billionaire bought twitter. Elon's going to cross the threshold where he's a liability and the cons outweigh the pros. More astute and powerful people than this autistic man child have tried and failed.

>>16778633
>soviet space aesthetics
S tier kino. I love the space songs they made during the space race.

>And on Mars there will be apple blossoms
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckNIMPQoBPw

My personal favorite
> Wondrous Future
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bjp1nrdfs0g

Julia Ecklar's minus ten and counting has similar kino. It's a shame we don't get more optimistic music like this. Everything is cynical and doomerish now.

>3I/ATLAS’s origin point is just as surprising as its unusual trajectory and velocity. The interstellar visitor was first spotted entering the solar system from the southern celestial hemisphere, arriving from a direction almost opposite the “solar apex,” or the point in the sky toward which the Sun and nearby stars are moving.

>Astronomers had long assumed that most interstellar objects would be discovered coming from that apex, essentially catching up to us from behind. Instead, 3I/ATLAS came in from the other side, suggesting that either our expectations about the flow of interstellar debris need rethinking, or that detection bias has kept us from spotting similar objects in the past.

Aliums. We are being chased by Aliums. Tj

Oppressed British workers welcome Soviet Space Labourer in Marxist Leninist solidarity:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e3BeN03geXs

>>16778593
>No country or coalition is able to militarily oppose the United States

China, now feel free to post your cope

>>16778686
They have no navy with which to project force.

>>16778588
Damn there really are amerilards this deluded here huh

it doesnt matter. now that trump is refocusing the department of war to fight on american soil (civil war 2?), china is completely out of the picture. we have to start thinking in terms of imperial and rebel space forces.

>>16778695
And your navy can’t enter the South China Sea without getting deleted

>>16778758
tl:dw SpaceX is buying spectrum from Echostar for their direct to cell, SpaceX has completed the 600+ Direct-to-Cell satellite constellation in June which I guess work as the connection points for cellphones, but their data is transmitted with the help of the whole 8000 satellite starlink constellation using laserlinks

the next generation d2c satellites will enable 20x more bandwidth for cellphones and the overall system will have 100x the capacity and will be comparable to current 5G LTE service

https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/echostar-sell-spectrum-licenses-spacex-17-billion-2025-09-08/
>Under the terms of the agreement, SpaceX will pay up to $8.5 billion in cash and issue up to $8.5 billion in stock. SpaceX has also agreed to cover roughly $2 billion in interest payments on EchoStar's debt obligations through late 2027.

>SpaceX just bought Echostar's spectrum for $17 billion.
Global 5G incoming soon.

>>16778761
>>16778763
(((Echostar)))

>>16778758
>360 kilometers
Oh my Science! Such a European company run by such a European faggot!

>>16778772
aren't km normal in engineering even in the US?

>>16778777
shhh this is the euro rage hour.

>>16778780
I don't see euro rage. I see a sad american crying about "kilometres". also musk isnt even euro hes african

>>16778772
Miles don't work in space, idiot

>echostar is saved by spacex
what a tweest

>>16778763
I really hope he uses this to attack all traditional telecoms and go for the kill. Once the Jew-free network is available, its all over for them.
But, deep down I know its just one Jew stepping in as the nex gen Jew 2.0
And things can never be good, ever again

>>16778840
I doubt SpaceX is going to start competing in the fiber network ISP market

>>16778840
>To use your new Starlink service please agree to the Terms of Service
>You will never criticize Israel
>You will take yearly mandatory holocaust classes

ayybros... our response?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4uhDGpoAAQ

>>16778763
>"H-he bought?!?"

>>16778653
ha, thats nice

>>16778849
my hovercraft is full of eels

>>16778856
lol apparently T-mobile is down as well and all other telecoms
T-mobile is SpaceX partner now, but this acquisition of 50mhz will be exculsive to spacex, the previous 5mhz slice was from a partnership with T-mobile and I guess this will allow them to offer it to every mobile service provider
or even build their own

>>16778763
The deal is worth nominally about the same as EchoStar's market cap on last close. But $8.5 billion in SpaceX stock is pretty juicy.

>>16778869
Because the licenses are the only real Echostar asset. Must require government approval, so Amazon protest already on the printer.

>>16778844
They don't have to, they will take the sat-to-phone market.

Classic fiber land line will not be able to compete outside of densely populated areas

>>16778873
sure but the densely populated areas are still a big part of the overall market

>>16778763
Based. Starlink future looks bright.

>>16778866
Imagine Starlnk phones that are independent that could provide internet on the go with 1-10Mbps from space. They could make a killing offering $30/m space internet phone

>>16778884
Also phone hardware, with TeslaOS or whatever, and a software ecosystem that isn't Jewed all the way to Tel Aviv and back to Jerusalem with great malice and intent
>offering $30/m
$10/month. Going for the kill, no survivors

>>16778886
meanwhile - starships to mars: zero

>>16778896
sending shit to mars isn't free nigga

>>16778763
>Start telecom company in brand new market
>Pay exorbitant prices and make risky debt-rich deals to buy up every available inch of spectrum. Intentionally turn your company into a ticking time bomb of debt obligations and shaky revenue streams
(You are here)
>Sell off all your assets to the big telecom giants at massively inflated prices by telling them that if they don't, your company will go bankrupt and the rights to the spectrum you own will be tied up in bankruptcy proceedings for decades
>Pay yourself and your investors titanic sums of money and immediately declare bankruptcy

Elon and Spacex are 100% running the Craig McCaw/McCaw Cellular playbook beat for beat. Spacex is dead. It's just a telecom company now. And not for long.

>>16778886
$10/m could mean they can provide phone service for gov phone. 5GB/m service + voip/text service.

>>16778900
But Elon Mollusk is myhero!1!!

>>16778900
>Exorbitant
The prices are that high because they don't make any more spectrum. It's based on what you could theoretically earn from its use

The next frontier is probably going to be the FCC's long-standing cap of 1W on commercial radio broadcast power

>echostar
>number of employees : 13 700
What do they do?

>>16778926
Echostar owns hughesnet, boost mobile and pay-TV (DISH and Sling TV)

>>16778873
The majority of people on Earth live in cities.

>>16778935
S-stop noticing!!!!1!1!!

>>16778904
>>16778939
samefaggot

>>16778935
not me

>>16778942
Lmao wrong. I love it when retards schizo out

>>16778943
who else does the !!11 thing anymore?

>>16778944
newfag

>>16778140
>That window view looks like CGI
hmm
>bright, daylit earth
>visible stars in the background
I'd say thats because it is.
Its at least edited in some way, because I don't think its possible to get a shot where you can both see the stars while at the same time earth isn't an overexposed blob.

>>16778573
To be fair, western civ will collapse if nothing is done about multicultural globalism, it just isn't sustainable and I don't want mars to be chinese.

>>16778953
I posted it after saving it from an old thread. reverse image searching seems to suggest its from STS-101 and is on Wikipedia as if it was unedited.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:STSCPanel.jpg

>>16778957
>Note: this is a composite image that was published prior to this cockpit configuration ever flying. The control sticks and seats are missing. The background was photoshopped from a separate image.
idiot

>>16778522
>>16778528
>poke Europa
>it bleeds

>>16778953
>>16778140
It's a museum set you dumb fucks

>>16778957
Are you a retard?
>Note: this is a composite image that was published prior to this cockpit configuration ever flying. The control sticks and seats are missing. The background was photoshopped from a separate image
It says this verbatim on your link

why isn't DXYZ mooning?

>>16778598
Not the same and you know it. I'm talking about progressivism which the soviets absolutely were not, at least not by any modern definition.

https://arstechnica.com/space/2025/09/congress-and-trump-may-compromise-on-the-sls-rocket-by-axing-its-costly-upper-stage/

Centaur V would work fine

>>16778974
you are absolutely humiliating yourself right now,

>>16778977
How?

>>16778900
17 billion is chump change for that much of the spectrum, and Starlink revenue is anything but shaky.
The Starlink telecom takeover WILL fund Mars and you WILL like it. Legacy satellite companies like the echostar subsidiaries are so ridiculously incompetent with such shitty service that Starlink is like multiple generational leaps at once, and the customer base will notice.

>>16778976
based, fuck SLS

>>16778958
>>16778969
I read that after I posted. good to get the bottom of things. its a fake.

>>16778976
there is no compromising with sls. either it dies or america does.

https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/1965087873306443855

https://tmfassociates.com/blog/2025/09/08/spacex-disrupts-everyones-plans-again/

https://x.com/chamath/status/1965063760751783959

something to keep in mind is that Chamath is a investor in SpaceX as far as I know

>>16778990
>paying real world money for a "licence" to a wavelength
waste of money

>>16778991
>implying money is real

>>16778982
I assure you it's a real image

>>16778763
>$8.5 billion in stock
What percentage would that be at this point?

>>16778990
Something to keep in mind that he doesn't have an engineering background.

>>16778886
>that isn't Jewed all the way to Tel Aviv and back to Jerusalem with great malice and intent
SpaceX is a defense contractor and Elon kissed the wall.

>>16778996
if "real" is what you can experience with the senses, then yes.

>>16778997
assuming the valuation is at 400bil and stays there then its a bit more than 2% dilution

>>16779004
that too

>>16778989
>>16778990
idgi. how are mobile providers about to go bankrupt and why is apple losing here?

>>16778886
>$17b to buy wavelength rights
>$5-10b to develop starship

>>16779015
space is cheap

>>16779015
a farm provides food necessary for human civilization to exist but it has less value than a new line of shoes

>>16779015
>limited finite resource
>mass produced vehicle

Starlink's growth has been more interesting to watch than V2 starshit. Hopefully V3 can launch the V3 sats quickly.

>>16779013
>SpaceX especially wants Apple to cooperate instead of pursuing the C-3 constellation because the H-block and AWS-4 spectrum, that SpaceX is now acquiring from EchoStar, is not supported by any current phones (EchoStar’s Band 66 and Band 70 used different frequency pairings). Thus support from device manufacturers will be needed to get the new capabilities enabled by this spectrum into consumers’ hands in the near term. Of course if Apple doesn’t come around, then there’s always the possibility that SpaceX will announce a “Starlink phone” as Apple executives worried about in the May article.

they aren't going to go bankrupt, this is just more competition possibly

>>16779026
Can spacex or tesla build a viable smartphone if apple doesn't bite? Can they even compete?

>>16779026
i never even heard of the C-3 constellation

>>16779027
No, smartphone boom is kind of over.

>>16779015
>$5-10b to develop starship
You wouldn't believe the cost of Starship so far. Yes, it cost more than buying echostar. Why do you think Elon Musk who during emergencies can come up with 44 BILLION for expenses hasto do constant masssive funding rounds for SpaceX? Starship is comparible to Saturn V development not SLS development.

Why don't they make a stardew valley set in space

>>16779027
well if Apple is worried about then yes probably
making a phone isn't that difficult, there are a lot of manufacturers
making a viable phone which isn't android based would be pretty difficult though

>>16779027
>“The idea of making a phone makes me want to die,” Musk said at a Trump rally in Philadelphia last October. “If we have to make a phone, we will. But we will aspire not to make a phone.”

Let me guess, the Xphone

>>16779044
That means he definitely will attempt to build a phone. The reason he spoke about it at all when noone asked was because he's setting the frame. He wants to look like the reluctant disruptor, not someone doing a hostile takeover because it's a path for him to make more money. If heends up not doing a phone it will only be because his advisors were begging loud enough to stop the plan he's had for years.

>>16779040
>>16779044
not sure if picrel was about this or a new drone ship

>>16779049
he has complained multiple times about Apples monopolistic actions and X is suing Apple now

>>16779044
He wants the threat of rolling out a phone be real to force deals but really doesn't want to do it. Quite the pickle.

canada got fucked by this deal

>Shares of MDA Space Ltd. fell sharply Monday as the high-tech manufacturer lost a recently announced contract with EchoStar Corp.
>The about-face means MDA Space is losing its contract to be the primary supplier for EchoStar's low Earth orbit satellite constellation.
>EchoStar was set to be MDA Space's anchor customer for its new 5G-capable satellites.
>The initial contract announced on Aug. 1 was valued at about US$1.3 billion, while it had the potential to grow to US$2.5 billion.
https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/echostar-cancels-mda-space-contract-120148642.html

>MDA Space Ltd. is a Canadian space technology company headquartered in Brampton, Ontario, Canada, that provides geointelligence, robotics, space operations, and satellite systems.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MDA_(company)

>IMO this has zero effect on the US market. We already have spectrum pending ligado completion, so no problems there.
>However this will allow SpaceX to compete more in the rest of the world (probably excluding Europe), and it was a move they had absolutely no choice but to make.
>The other significant thing is that D2D will now be dominated by AST and SpaceX, that’s an absolute certainty now. Cannot see any other players having a hope in hell.

How does Starlink improving their capabilities have zero effect on the US market?
>Because every US MNO has already picked a side, and AST already effectively owns its own spectrum in the US too. So starlink still has no actual advance over AST in the US despite spending $17 billion.
>Any company that thinks it picked the "wrong" side will very quickly move to the "right" side.

Who’s the right side and who’s the wrong side when AST and SpaceX both own approximately the same amount of spectrum?
>The 'right' side to the MNOs is the one with a marketable service, which we don't have and are delayed getting. SpaceX is poised to get to market first.
>Are you old enough to remember Beta vs VHS? One was significantly better than the other. And it wasn't the one who won.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ASTSpaceMobile/comments/1nbkdd4/spacex_to_acquire_aws4_spectrum_rights_from/

This stuff is actually shockingly accurate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLVChRVfZ74

>>16779066
Good

>>16779071
>betamax is better than VHS!
yep, it's a redditor

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1965124907274281220

I guess scott bessent likes punching people lmao

>>16779121
>But amid the cocktail-hour din, Bessent lashed out at Pulte in an expletive-laden diatribe. The Treasury secretary had heard from several people that the Federal Housing Finance Agency director had been badmouthing him to Trump, a person close to him said. He wasn’t about to engage in chit-chat as if nothing was amiss.
>“Why the fuck are you talking to the president about me? Fuck you,” Bessent told Pulte. “I’m gonna punch you in your fucking face.”

>>16779121
crazy how behind the vineer of authority these guys behave in ways so immature that they would get you fired from walmart

>>16779121
is this the guy who gave elon that black eye?

>>16779130
yes

>>16779132
why did elon lie down and take it like a bitch? why didnt he fight back? why did he get his ass beat by an old man?

>>16779135
elon tackled him in the chest with his shoulder

>>16779130
no, it was this guy.

>>16779121
soros homo can't keep his bdsm paraphilias under wraps

https://youtu.be/2vLhbpwhV3s
Jielng-3 launch in 4 minutes

>>16779151
whats on it

>>16779156
Some shit for Geely cars

>>16779158
the geely megaconstellation?

>>16779066
>headquartered in Brampton, Ontario
why did Elon betray his saars

>>16778813
it's why probes crash into mars

It's up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OsxqifuTi4

>>16779172
Should've used a better angle that didn't highlight Isaacman's elephant ears

>>16779173
he can fly himself to space with them

>>16779186
STONKS

>>16779196
That's a nice ticker

>anduril is entering commercial space resupply
https://spacenews.com/blue-origin-anduril-win-military-rocket-cargo-study-contracts/

hmmmmm

https://www.lightreading.com/satellite/how-the-echostar-spacex-deal-reshapes-the-u-s-wireless-and-satellite-landscape

>At the heart of the deal is the unique and irreplaceable nature of the AWS-4 spectrum band (2000-2020 MHz and 2180-2200 MHz), widely considered the "golden band" for D2C services. Unlike repurposed terrestrial spectrum, the AWS-4 band was originally allocated for Mobile Satellite Service (MSS). This heritage provides two key advantages: its propagation physics are ideal for the challenges of space-to-ground communication, and its existing regulatory framework offers a more direct path for satellite use, avoiding many of the hurdles of the FCC's new Supplemental Coverage from Space (SCS) framework. By acquiring these nationwide licenses, SpaceX secures the ability to move beyond its current text-only beta service and build a next-generation constellation capable of delivering reliable voice, data and robust IoT capabilities directly to unmodified smartphones.

>>16779201
What's the point now when the ISS will be DOA

>>16779206
rocket cargo is for point-to-point cargo delivery, not delivery to the ISS

>>16779206
>Blue Origin and defense tech contractor Anduril Industries have secured new contracts to help the U.S. military explore whether commercial rockets can be used to move supplies around the globe at unprecedented speeds.
>Anduril’s award is for “design and analysis to integrate multiple potential government payloads into a rocket cargo delivery container or reentry system,” Brown said.
>The effort is part of AFRL’s broader rocket cargo initiative, which envisions using commercial launch systems like airlines are used today — on-demand, service-based contracts that could deliver military cargo anywhere on Earth in under an hour.
>Potential missions include emergency supply deliveries to conflict zones or humanitarian aid during natural disasters.

>>16779201
>>16779206
where does this say commercial resupply to the ISS? This is Rocket Cargo, a different program which is more about delivering important pizzas anywhere in the world in 30 minutes or less

It's strategic logistics. They also were drooling at starship because it's practically purpose built for point to point logistics given the reusable second stage that can land itself

>PtP
K... keep me posted

>>16779218
It doesn't make sense for commercial applications IMHO. No one *really* is going to want to fly on starship from LA to tokyo in under an hour or whatever.

The military context on the other hand is far FAR more logical. Logistics is king. Two things win wars, capabilities and logistics. Being able to move soldiers and cargo virtually anywhere in under an hour is a big deal. Rapid response logistics could be a game changer.

>>16779228
>No one *really* is going to want to fly on starship from LA to tokyo in under an hour or whatever.
t. has never flown a trip that long
protip: it sucks

>>16779228
>Being able to move soldiers and cargo virtually anywhere in under an hour
>Logistics is king
lol
They wouldn't be anywhere in under an hour and not because of Starship. You talk about logistics, but make ignore that the ship would need to be readied, fueled, and loaded with cargo/people that aren't going to teleport from wherever they are to the inside of the ship.

And trying to deploy needed soldiers into a hotzone with one is just retarded. It'd get shot down on arrival or attacked as the guys are getting out. And if the area is secure already and that isn't a concern, you don't need men quicker than a plane can take them.

>>16779205
>Cells are 1-30km wide
>Sats are 550km straight up
>Phones only have 1W radios that would absolutely murder your battery if operating at max legal power
No wonder he wants V3, you would need a sensitive antenna to make that work

>>16779228
I just don't see how a disposable starship will ever be more economical than a disposable long range drone.
>Muh 1 hour
What ~35 ton high value asset would the US need depolyed somehwere within the hour that they don't already have forward deployed?
And if the task is to deliver this asset not to a forward base but literally straight to the line of contact, then enjoy getting shot down by an interceptor or killed when your asset bit by bit down that giant elevator.
Or more realistically enjoy tipping over and exploding if landing on an unpaved surface.

>>16779111
trips checked
Betamax was not significantly better AND it didn't have 6-hour mode. (fuck yuros who didn't have 6hr for PAL either)
inb4 someone midwit mentions BetaCam which used the same tapes but running twice as fast which is why it was fine for TV news field recording

>>16779228
sitting 20h in a plane is torture

>>16779272
Fakecel detected. Real men lock in and go lobotomy mode and rawdog flights

>>16779272
fly first class, it's more comfortable and [spoiler]cheaper than a ride on starship[/sprlrl]

>>16779276
b-but... my hero mr husk told me i could ride for as little as ten cents.

>>16779250
I don't think you grasp what assets are required to shoot down a vehicle traveling at orbital velocities.

>>16779300
it doesn't land at orbital velocity jackass.
and interception is straight up easy if the target is on a predictable path. It's not like the starship's arrival would come as a surprise. The chinks would have like 2 hours of warning and easily be able to track it's trajectory.

>>16779300
Anon…

>>16779320
1) You have to have assets in place that can do the intercept. China isn't a small easy to cover strip of land like say, defending Israel from Iranian missiles (which travel at far slower speeds).

2) PtP is going to be cargo capsules released in orbit, not rocket landing.

>>16779328
>going to be cargo capsules released in orbit
so let me guess, the cargo capsules land at orbital velocity?

>>16779330
Unless you are doing terminal defense, yes.

>>16778394
The Right Stuff

The Earth looks so mysterious from the ISS. I am highly unlikely to ever see the full disk with my own eyes.

I can’t wait for the dirt cheap muskrat phone providing dirt cheap ADSL level speeds to the entire planet so every single street shitter, nigger, beaner and assorted poverty stricken third world dirt farmer can completely finish off the internet thanks Elon great stuff

>>16779400
Starlink will never have the capacity for that many people. third worlders go for the cheapest option, and if normal internet does the trick why would they pay more to invoke satellites?

>>16779400
Why do you think he's making AI coombots, who are the biggest retard coomers on the planet? He said AI will solve the birth rate problem, but did he mean our low birth rate or their massive birthrate?

>>16779135
>why did elon lie down and take it like a bitch? why didnt he fight back? why did he get his ass beat by an old man?

At that point he probably still didn't want to create evidence that's hard to deny and create a problem for the administration

Somebody tells the press there was a fight, and not only does elon have a black eye but this old guy got bodied and went to the hospital. There's no way you can hide it. Even after elon found out he got a black eye he can be like "i fell down some stairs"

>>16779405
>third worlds go for the cheapest option

Elon will simply undercut the local ISPs, all those satellites flying over third world shitholes are unused capacity, why not sell internet for a few bucks a month to millions of dirt farmers?

>>16779416
This is good in a way, captchas would need to become IQ tests to actually function

>>16779135
>fight back

Have you seen Elon in 2025 dude? He’s not exactly a prime physical specimen, bessent is a lankfag but would still roll him

>>16779066
>canada got fucked by this deal
Good. Fuck this hell hole.

>>16779416
bold of you to assume they farm anything

*ahem*
I think you guys are forgetting about someone

>>16779432
I doubt ULA will have anything to do with the future of mars
they are basically entirely reliant on kuiper being a success because otherwise their whole business will go bankrupt. Can't compete in any market unless the customer has a hate boner for elon.

>>16779432
>rockets that don't exist anymore which did artisinal missions
>Mar's future

>>16779432
HAHAHAHHAHAH

>>16779440
the legacy though. the pedigree.

>>16779412
>He said AI will solve the birth rate problem, but did he mean our low birth rate or their massive birthrate?

>>16779432
I almost feel sad for ULA. Then I remember Tory, and I stop.

>>16779432
Yeah they're getting bodied in the replies

Why do some programs like Constellation and even Artemis feel so volatile and subject to cancellation at any moment, yet other projects like ISS were able to be planned and executed

>>16779462
>why is politics messy?

>>16779462
ISS had international backing so couldnt be cancelled unilaterally. if it was just the US without Russia, ESA and JAXA then they would have cancelled the whole thing after shuttle retired, or earlier.

>>16779462
Back in the time before ISS was constructed there was a lot of talk of cancelling it. It only seemed certain in hindsight.

>>16779196
So many (((insiders))) got the ultimate Jewish gift here
Jews
Jews
& more Jews
=
criminals.
But!
exempt! because HOLOCAUST, your fucking racist Nazi Anti-Semite. How could you? Remember the lampshades and soap? Yeah... that again...
why do we keep tolerating this shit.

Only two more weeks until Enron Macaques fraudulent empire of lies finally collapses
Short $TSLA now and watch the money roll in

https://x.com/NASAMars/status/1965198005818314961
>On Wednesday, Sept. 10 at 11am EDT, @NASA will host a media teleconference with Acting NASA Administrator Sean Duffy and experts from the Mars Perseverance mission to discuss the analysis of a rock sampled by the rover.

>>16779490
ayy rogg confirmed.

>>16779491
Probably not. It most likely would have leaked by now if it was.

>>16779490
here we go again

>>16779490
Will Mars Guy be there for scale?

>>16779432
Do they have any photos that weren't taken decades ago?

The oft-delayed Nusantara Lima launch is... guess what? delayed! this time due to weather. Still might launch withing half an hour.

>>16779490
water on mars yay. not like we didn't already know that.

OR... or... it could be they found life. Life that they've known exists on mars for decades and are just revealing now as part of a controlled disclosure as a way to steadily get the public desensitized to the idea of alien life. first they reveal that microbes exist on mars, then distant radio signals are "discovered" that have clear signs of intelligent origin, and then finally in 2026 they finally admit that aliens have been here all along for literally thousands of years monitoring and altering humanity for their own ends and NASA and the government has known about it and been covering it up for decades!

Or it's just some more sulfur deposits.

>>16779518
it's going to be 'proof' (actually a 40% confidence detection of a chemical that has both biological and abiotic sources) of simple life in early mars

>>16779490
who would win? a multi-billion, state-of-the-art, highly-complex interplanetary probe the size of an SUV, made by the greatest minds of our generation vs.. a man and a shovel.

>>16779525
depends, how far is the digsite.

>>16779521
controlled disclosure it is then. Look forward to seeing you all in 2026-27 whenever the aliens show up.

>>16779528
I look forward to the pictures of muffins

Nusantara Lima

>>16779490
It's this
https://astrobiology.com/2025/03/the-detection-of-a-potential-biosignature-by-the-perseverance-rover-on-mars.html

>>16779525
Robots are making HUGE leaps, in both mechanical design and the smarts it takes to operate them. Machines are super human, thats a hard fact.
Humans have gotten worse over time. A hundred thousand years of "progress", we are admittedly better trained with a knowledge base, but are increasingly weak, fearful, autistic basedboys who halt at the slightest idea of "risk" and have a total breakdown with the support of mission control, who aborts instead of doing great things with bravery.
Zero chance of a human future in space, we can send our superior representatives who have much better tools than we do, and dont afraid of anything.

>>16779536
holy shit

>>16779172
A few interesting things from this:

>EVA suit is already two generations ahead of what was used in the Polaris Dawn mission
>Isaacman gave Duffy his plan that he was going to use to fix/restructure NASA, says it's up to Duffy to choose what he wants to implement
>if renominated for NASA administrator, he would accept "in a heart beat"

>>16779536
My favorite part about Mars is that it takes normal geological processes and turns earthlings into schizos, trying to find life where it doesn't exist

>>16779543
>EVA suit is already two generations ahead of what was used in the Polaris Dawn mission
Really wished spacex would be doing like in-house manned tests with a dragon for this stuff.

>>16779543
The real question is whether or not they are working on a moon suit.
ILC dover bowed out and Axiom is on shaky ground.

>>16779536
>poppy seeds
HOLY SHIT, HOW DID FLOWERS END UP ON MARRZ

fuck that, where's the mars suit?

if there is any truth to ayy encounters then it's kind of a blackpill in terms of our mortality, because ayys in the encounters are alledged to have natural lifespans rather than being immortal.

scrub?

>>16779546
Yeah, like send one or two each ISS crew launch, then have them test them out on a walk. Or do you mean standalone test missions?

>>16779555
Why would disposable worker beings need to be immortal? they aren't even the "real" aliens. that would be these guys >>16778350

>>16779536
Looks like MSR is back on the menu.

>>16779558
Hopefully the worker beings are not sentient. Otherwise these ayys may be bad guys. I would hope that if we become so advanced we would no longer need to feast on and exploit living creatures.

>>16779562
they are and they were made using human DNA. that's why they look human. Infer whatever ethics their creators might have from that fact.

blue origin will make it to the moon before spacex

>>16779565
they are supposed to launch MK1 this year

>>16779557
either or really. The ISS crew launches do have the capacity for a few extra seats.

>>16779565
This but unironically. Anyone who doesn't see it is a clown. Despite Blue Origins snail pace they won't have a multi year campaign of rockets exploding before reaching orbit, and don't need to perfect full and rapid reuse and do 17 flights in rapid succession to complete a single moon landing.

>>16779536
If that's correct, the need for really big space telescopes just got a lot more urgent.

I hope I get a tall blonde Nordic alien gf who bullies me and calls me "mon-keigh"

>>16779565
Only to still have a shittier business model and worse products, sure.

>>16779574
I want fox girls

>>16779432
Vulcan will launch MarsComm, you heard it here first

>>16779578
More likely than not on an overpriced government pity contract

>>16779577
of the blue variety?

>>16779613
I would definitely accept blue fox girls.

>>16779574
The nordic types are really interesting. apparently they have very large foreheads. whether or not they are actually "human" is not entirely clear. One constant you need to be aware of is perceptual manipulation. some ayys have the ability to hijack your brain and alter your visual perception of reality. They might look like tall blonde cuties but they might actually be horrors from another star system making you perceive them that way.

>>16779432
>isn't there someone you forgot to ask

>>16779536
it's sad that we'll never definitively just say that Mars is a lifeless, sterile pile of dust. It's obvious, even if it's unfalsifiable. Just admit it already.

>>16779536
Good bet that Mars had primitive life for a time but never had its own Cambrian explosion due to increasingly hostile conditions driving everything underground.

>>16779632
mars had cities once

>>16779638
whether or not it once had life is an interesting question, but it is a dead world and has been for a long time. That much is painfully clear.

>>16779638
mars has canals

>>16779638
based knower

Assuming Wednesday's announcement is that Mars had past microbial life, we have some very interesting statistics:
>Extrapolating from Kepler data, on average, every star has one planet in its habitable zone
>There are 64 G-type stars within 50 light years of Earth
>At least 66% of known habitable zone worlds have, at one point, developed life of some form
>Half of those worlds still have life on them
Therefor, there should be roughly 21 planets orbiting G-type stars with either single or multi-cellular life on them within 50 light years of Earth.

>>16779659
>Mars had past microbial life
Wouldn't this be, like, the most important announcement ever in human history? Like some other anon said above, there'd already be leaks by now.

>>16779663
To be fair, this did actually come out in March https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20250001217/downloads/Hurowitz%20et%20al%20LPSC.pdf

>>16779663
I think you are correct, though, and we really should prioritize building a telescope that is, at absolute minimum, optimized for finding life on Proxima and Alpha Centauri, Epsilon Eridani, Tau Ceti, 82 Eridani, and Delta Pavonis. There should, in theory, be life on at least two planets on those systems.

>>16779663
Schizos have been "leaking" this for a while. It's just that they've been saying everything so it's hard to gauge whether they know something or would just guess right a la monkey typewriter.

>>16779663
>Wouldn't this be, like, the most important announcement ever in human history?
Most important announcement, so far.

>>16778581
Every species is using the same science with the same engineering limitations. There's no warp drive. We're all riding the sublight local bus.

>>16779678
tell that to the mach 50 breath mints

>>16779680
those are me making popcorn, sorry.

>>16779680
That's still slower than light

>>16779490
>NASA turned over a rock and found lots of crawly bugs underneath

Gross but cool.

>>16779683
The foul xenos have been purged in accordance with maga doctrine

>Find life on Mars immediately before 3I Atlas makes its closest approach to Mars

Are we pretending this is a coincidence?

>>16779689
least mentally ill /sfg/ user

>Four research volunteers will soon participate in NASA’s year-long simulation of a Mars mission inside a habitat at the agency’s Johnson Space Center in Houston. This mission will provide NASA with foundational data to inform human exploration of the Moon, Mars, and beyond.

>Ross Elder, Ellen Ellis, Matthew Montgomery, and James Spicer enter into the 1,700-square-foot Mars Dune Alpha habitat on Sunday, Oct. 19, to begin their mission. The team will live and work like astronauts for 378 days, concluding their mission on Oct. 31, 2026.

"Ellen Experiments" coming this Thursday to your local Pussycat Adult Theater.

>Emily Phillips and Laura Marie serve as the mission’s alternate crew members.

Sending spare girls. NASA does something smart for a change.

https://www.nasa.gov/missions/analog-field-testing/chapea/nasa-announces-chapea-crew-for-year-long-mars-mission-simulation/

Good bet. Mars Guy popped a boner over that particular rock.

Here's Mars Guy's boner for scale.

Better bet. Someone actually put up the full press release. Sapphire Canyon it is.

She'll never look at you with the excitement she feels for this chunk of rock:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bLhVJKoIOg

Here's Mars Guy for scale. Marsy has done about a half dozen vids about this rock:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1WnmMYFt6U

>life on mars
please, it is just another bait and swith. They will prop up the story and make it seem life was discovered but on wednesday they will reveal they discovered water in a place they didnt expect and then ask for another 100 bill grant

>>16779275
Most zoomer post in thread

I wish Relativity were doing something cool instead of yet another doomed launch venture.
They demonstrated a 3D printed metal pressure vessel. A version of that printer able to operate in vacuum and microgravity could make orbital habitats of arbitrary shape and size. You would just need to send up spools of wire and prefab windows and docking hatches.

NASA could send a lander to the martian poles and dig up giant chunks of ice and would still hold a press conference about how they found evidence of 'potential signs of ancient water on mars surface'.

>>16779454
Why do you hate cowboy sabaton chungus?

>>16779721
This, for anything to have happened at minimum they need to:
>say that yes it is a biosignature (high confidence)
>say that all evidence points to biosignatures
>confirm no known candidate abiogenic alternative pathways
>we don't know what made it yet
>it may be from earth it may not be
>REFUSE to answer all retarded media questions that follow
>end press conference
Any deviation from this is a fund raising act for NASA rock sniffers.

>>16779666
Nah dude if it was real and the news got broken at LPSC people would be shouting it from the rooftops by now

DPS is running RIGHT NOW and nothing is hitting the front pages
https://dps.aas.org/meetings/current

>>16779462
The short answer is because these missions have no purpose. If they did have a purpose, then they wouldn't be suited for it. Scientists know robotic missions are all they need. Politicians outside of China don't care because prestige is a cold war concept

What do they have in common? They're all jobs programs for the same suite of kinda-sorta Department of (ahem) War contractors. Zero technical justification was made ahead of time for the vehicle designs. They --made it fit-- after they decided it was going to be the same set of suppliers they always use. Some SRBs here and there, some huge hydrogen first stage because muh isp and Rocketdyne wasn't going to design a new engine, and an absolutely anemic upper stage because they were counting on moving payload AND crew from LEO with a different separately-launched rocket that never materialized. Artemis inherited that shit and was poised to go nowhere with the SLS until SpaceX got awarded HLS for an absolute monster of a rocket that suddenly meant NASA could do something (they had never intended to be able to do anything).

>>16779732
>You would just need to send up spools of wire
there is plenty of metal out there
melt some rock with sunlight, put the resulting gas in a centrifuge to separate by atomic mass, condense as needed

Elongated Muskrat should promise Deimos to the Taiwanese in exchange for a deal on chips

>>16779783
If that was an easy way to get metals, someone would do that on Earth. No one does, so it's probably not all that easy or even possible.

NB4 Salt ponds from seawater.

>>16779794
>someone would do that on Earth
it is impractical on Earth because atmosphere and gravity
spess is ideal for this sort of fiddly shit

>>16779768
The wunder rock was discovered a year ago, and there's been press and papers since then about its implications.

>>16779794
You need vacuum

>>16779795
>You can't refine ores in gravity or atmosphere because -- you just can't okay!

We've been doing that for 10,000 years and it seems to work out just fine.

>>16779803
it's really hard to do CVD here

>>16779803
Only looks fine because your one frame of reference is in a gravity well...

>>16779695
>Keith cowing
I know this guy, he's goofy, and now I don't believe the paper anymore

>>16779697
What do we know about this Sapphire Canyon?

>>16779848
clumpy sedimentary rock
contains organics
something you could find in any dried riverbed on Earth
life is not only common, it's inevitable

>>16779848
>The sample is a mudstone primarily composed of aluminosilicate clays, silica, and iron oxides, featuring distinctive white, leopard-like spots that are sub-millimeter in size. These spots show areas where iron and sulfur are reduced, encircled by phosphate rims, and the fine-grained matrix contains organic carbon—features that have sparked interest due to their potential connection to ancient hydrothermal or biological processes. Hydrocarbons and millimeter-sized black and bright spots were also detected at the site, adding to the intrigue.
>Scientifically, Sapphire Canyon is considered one of the most astrobiologically significant samples collected so far, as its composition could provide clues about past microscopic life on Mars, including possible redox reactions linked to metabolic activity in ancient habitable environments.

thanks grok

>>16779864
Oh so it is the poppy seed rock that we've been hearing about for a while.

>>16779864
>leopard-like spots that are sub-millimeter in size. These spots show areas where iron and sulfur are reduced, encircled by phosphate rims, and the fine-grained matrix contains organic carbon
sounds like cellular life to me

>>16778139
Call me when a robotics company can replicate the human hip movement.

>>16779852
Several abiotic paths can produce the same observations: inorganic redox reactions, thermal alteration, hydrothermal fluids, sulfate-related diagenesis, or mineral mixing (the olivine in veins suggests either high-temperature fluids or later mixing of igneous material). The presence of olivine in veins is especially challenging for a simple low-temperature, life-friendly diagenesis model because olivine stability typically points to igneous/ higher-temperature conditions. Sorry nigga

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bLhVJKoIOg
>"most compelling evidence for life yet...a potential biosignature"

>>16779693
why is the military simulating mars missions all of the sudden?

>>16779693
Does this advance their chances at astronaut selection or what? Can't imagine why a flyboy would want to spend a year in a cuckshed otherwise.

>>16779884
Only a fool could believe this crap

>>16779878
>later mixing

>>16779888
because they plan to run Mars missions in the future, d-oh

When will SpaceX build a shipyard in space?

>>16779907
maybe never. elon would long have since retired by the time any serious discussion would be had about something like that. and by then the leadership of the company might not be as innovative or forward thinking anymore.

>>16779569
>17 flights in rapid succession to complete a single moon landing
Yeah, only like ten. Anyways, isn't this discussion irrelevant, since no one will land on moon. The engineers at Blue Origin forgot to add parashoots to their lander and you can't land on lunar regolith with propulsive landing.

>>16779907
Never! Elon wanna be king pomang, sabaka! Head fulla welwalla crap!
But yea, habs and fabs is where it's at, sa-sa ke?

>>16779907
Shipyard on the moon is more likely

>>16779569
>in rapid succession

>>16779907
meme and gay

>>16779663
Normies don’t care, so no.

>>16779793
Fuck off, everything belongs to America

Jeff Foust has turned into such a faggot as of late

>>16779518
>distant radio signals
Ayys don't use radio, that's like using smoke signals. Any strange signals like the WOW signal appear with no pattern and are rare because they are results of unintentional and uncommon events like an ayy reactor exploding.
Ayy spacecraft can clearly move faster than light so they would use whatever medium the ships are exploiting to send messages.

>>16779659
If mars had past microbial life on the surface the it will be a fscinating case study. If life does not persist even in the groundwater then it's evidence that extremophiles are actually the product of billions of years of evolution on earth rather than a given.

>>16779884
This is the most compelling evidence so far. Selective oxidation... phosphor and carbon found in the rings..., if it was happening on Earth it would be explained as caused by bacteria.
But heres the thing, this is old news still. we wont know for sure until MSR

>>16779884
>>16779944
BRING BACK MSR, UNCANCEL MSR. IM SORRY LOCKSNEED I KNEEL.

>>16779868
Matches nicely with that evidence for lipid chains reported a month ago.

>>16778528
>100 tons is way too much
you a bitch

>>16779944
The most compelling evidence was the Positive results from the Viking bio package, that got hand waved away by NASA. And never repeated on any other lander in the half century since because -- just because okay!

>>16779952
>one (1) instrument gives us a different reading to everything else
>durr better trust it over all the other ones.

>>16779952
The “positive” detection was the handwave

>>16779933
Taiwan is a defacto American protectorate anyway, quit yer whinin'

>>16779952
When it really comes down to it, scientists are embarrassed by talk of aliens. They're never seriously gonna look for them cause anyone who talks about aliens is a crank to them.

>>16779959
popsci groupthink is a cancer on progress. science was cool back when it's best men were schzio investigators like Newton, unapoligetically looking for ayy encoded messages in the pyramids.

>>16779955
More than one instrument and met the exact criteria for Life determined years before the landing.

You may go now. Play with the other children while the big people chat.

>>16779937
I can see that being the case. And if it is, then Venus, too, likely has evidence of microbial growths emplaced within old cratonic blocks of ancient crust as well.

>>16779338
they were wondering if the guy had a Beemans

>>16779963
>big people
For you.

>>16780027
people who believe the 100 million per launch figure are clowns. its closer to 800 million per launch. starship dev costs will exceed sls costs if they havent already.

>>16780029
starship has already launched more times than sls ever will

pack it up brothers, terraforming is confirmed for popsci
https://arstechnica.com/science/2025/09/geoengineering-will-not-save-humankind-from-climate-change/

mars is cooked

>>16780049
In summary:
>all methods you've come up with are gay, retarded or dangerous and the ice is still melting
I would rather live on ice free earth than ice age earth, ice ages are fucking brutal.

>>16780040
wasn't what I was saying. Yes starship will be more useful, and yes the cost per launch will creep down toward and perhaps below 100 million over the 2030s. But the dev costs for such an ambitious vehicle are correspondingly tremendous. much, much higher than the fantasy numbers Musk puts out. Falcon and Starlink are allegedly cashflow positive, yet SpaceX always does funding rounds for tens of billions of dollars. It's clear where that money is going.

>>16780060
Ice age gave birth to THE WHITE MAN. You would seriously rather live on the boon paradise planet? It's a colossal risk because if civilization collapses and the climate remains hot, then civilization-capable hominids wil never arise again.

>>16780063
I know, but he still stayed away from most northern territory until after the ice receded since it was completely uninhabitable. We can have pro-intelligence selection pressures without giving up most territory to an ice sheet for several thousand years, we simply have to stop being gay and retarded.

i hate hot weather

>>16780049
It doesn't need to save humanity, just the rich people who want to survive the end of the world
All those seasteading nutjobs think they can just float their way out of it

>>16780049
Bad goy, no solutions other than our approved one.

>>16780069
weather isnt climate sweetie

>>16780076
The best part is that they think they can regulate it
It's simply advanced pollution, and they can do it anywhere

>>16780066
we can't do it on a hot world. The brain is a terrible shape to radiate heat and is thermally limited. Black people are evolved to think less so their brains don't overheat. On a very hot world intelligence would vanish.

>>16780060
Evolutionary pressures from the ice ages are why hwyte man has impulse control and the ability to defer reward while the negro is still living in mud huts.

>>16780095
Trepanning might not solve this, but I'm willing to try it on them to find out.

>>16780099
Digitally storing it on an SD card is soulless. Physically etch the names on a microplate or something, that’s way more substantial and cool

>>16780104
very tight weight limit
prease understand

>>16780095
wear a radiator hat

>>16780105
Just micro-engrave on the SD card itself, it'd weigh a fraction less due to the removed surface material.

>>16780105
engraving reduces weight

>>16779907
never, because Jeff Bezos holds the patents for that

>>16780060
Eh, it's a lot easier and faster to warm the earth than cool it, so there isn't much risk in trying to cool it.

freeze the earth warm the mars

>>16780118
what if we transferred all the extra heat from earth to mars?
kill two birds with one stone

>>16780117
warm earth is better for life in general. The tropics are where most of the diversity of life is on the planet.
Believe it or not, there used to be TWO tropics. That's right, there were actually two bands of tropics in the past. There were tropical rainforests in Colorado. There was another belt of rainforest on the other side of the equator as well

>>16780125
some sort of pipeline in space...

>>16780117
If humans have to live under shitty circumstances to not morph into gay retards we have a lot of engineering left to do still.

>>16780127
tropics are also hellish for human life.

>>16780132
It's only hellish for the primitives who haven't invented the wheel yet.

>>16780133
it's a hellish climate for anyone who hasn't compeltely developed modern technology. This is why whites never settled these lands in great number during the colonial period. Even the southern USA was too hot for white industrial civilization until air conditioning was invented. If you want to destroy the cool biome which birthed us you are a race traitor.

>>16780137
>Even the southern USA was too hot for white industrial civilization until air conditioning was invented
You mean the part of the country that produced all the cotton back then?

>>16780142
Yes.

>Succesful launch at 02:00 UTC of CZ-7A Y14 from Wenchang LC201 carrying Yaogan-45 to a "medium earth orbit".

>This marks the Long March 7A's first medium-orbit launch mission. By strengthening the core-stage tank structure and increasing the number of core-stage engine starts, the design team has increased the Long March 7A's medium-orbit payload capacity from 7 tons to over 8 tons, enhancing the rocket's mission adaptability. (It can be assumed this is a relatively "high energy" medium orbit since these performances capabilities are close to the GTO ones)

>In addition, the design team optimized the assembly and testing process, reducing the launch preparation cycle from 23 days to 19 days, further adapting to future high-density launch demands.

>>16780151
>Yaogan 45 is a heavy military Earth observation or SIGINT satellite built by CASC's Shanghai Academy of Spaceflight Technology (SAST)
>54th chinese launch attempt of the year (52 succesful)

its only september and 2025 is already the third best year for total launches

>>16780105
*sigh* People just do not know their Space History -- even here:

>NASA’s Cassini mission to Saturn, launched in 1997, may have been the first to ask for names from the general public. It carried a DVD containing images of 616,400 handwritten signatures submitted by the public on post cards.

>NASA’s Stardust mission was the first that allowed the public to submit names online. It launched in 1999 carrying two chips with the etched names of more than a million people.

But New NASA just picks up a SD from Amazon.

>>16780172
>>16780169
And now the Saturnians get to read all our names on their DVD player, neat

>>16780166
the 2000s were a dark period for spaceflight. normies don’t even know

A history of Names in Space. Been placed on pretty much everything for the 30 odd years:

http://www.collectspace.com/news/news-011514b-send-your-name-space.html

>>16780180
I got mine on perseverance. I think its etched into a microplate but it might have been digital. either way, my names on mars right now.

The old TX license plate with the shuttle and a cowboy riding at dawn was so kino

>>16778989
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1965451482570125745

lol

>>16780199
It's no surprise if you read his previous articles.

>>16780199
those who cant do teach
those who cant teach, consult

>>16780198
the art went down far enough to make it hard to read the actual fucking plate number, bad design and they scrapped it on C or D or so, though the crash didn't help
the current series is already almost through the alphabet, I wonder what numbers they'll use next

>>16778123 (OP)
Every year 2 more Starship launches, no exponential growth, SAD.

>>16778138
Why you can see the stars?? I thought you can't see them because exposure time is too low????

>Jared Isaacman states SpaceX is 2 generations past the Suit he used on Polaris Dawn
what now?

>>16780180
>>16780188
The only way my name will be etched on Mars is not on a soience robot in a sea of thousands of others but carved in a Martian rock by my own hands.

Juno's extended mission ends in eight days. Do you think they'll do a suicide dive like Cassini? Personally, I think they should crash it into Io. I want to see what it looks like from the surface.

>>16780222
no in-space tests for years because that would be too cool

>>16780224
*maybe never

Humans literally grow inside eachother and we have over 7 billion of them, 95% of which are of a worthless race. With that in mind, why are we so risk-averse in manned spaceflight? Ethics aside, why can't we just pick up a couple plane-loads of Indians and do WWII Japanese style in-space tests of various systems in order to progress the manned spaceflight sector?

>>16780219
still growing faster than SLS launches

>>16780237
yet worse than shuttle. curious.

>>16780199
>the author
kekw

I get that they wanted it to be shuttle-derived to keep the gibs coming to their districts and the companies, but why couldn't they have done that without making a piece of shit? Have them make something good, but require a similar amount and distribution of gibs

>>16780240
YOU are moving the goalposts. Starship promised big things, then when it's pointed out that those big things never materialise, you move the goalpost to "at least it's betterthan this super shitty rocket that is designed to be terrrible, see SpaceX won!!11!".

>>16780242
SLS would cost farless per launh if they didnt attempt to do (((cost savings))). If it was spammed it would be very expensive but still reasonable for an expendable super heavy lift rocket. Doing 1 launch ever 2 years is ludicrous.

>>16780227
Nah, there's no planetary protection rules for Jupiter
Same with Lucy, they will just switch it off when they're done

>>16780243
YOU are a retarded faggot

>>16780242
That's an impossible task
The shuttle's main engines sucked as a booster stage so any derived architecture had to use it as a sustainer. They also practically print them and several other components out of beryllium which is extremely costly, leading to them needing to be redesigned, also extremely costly
The SRBs are expensive and heavy, requiring the crawler instead of vastly cheaper SPMTs
They figured they could then just slap a Centaur on it and call it a day but Rocketdyne will find a way to make anything expensive

>>16780253
I might've phrased my post poorly. I meant that they shouldn't have required it to be shuttle-derived at all, but still allocated the gibs they wanted.

>>16780253
>beryllium
also hazmat

>>16780248
There are for the major moons. Europa is a Class III+ depending on the mission. Missions that are designed to flyby, orbit or land on the moons fall into that class.

Could you imagine the human lore if Earth was orbiting a gas giant?

>>16780312
>people worship the gas giant as a god
Yeah that would be so cool, because *no one* has ever worshiped celestial bodies in our timeline. Soo unique and cool.

https://arstechnica.com/space/2025/09/spacexs-lesson-from-last-starship-flight-we-need-to-seal-the-tiles/
>"We call it crunch wrap," Gerstenmaier said. "It's like a wrapping paper that goes around each tile, and then... these tiles are mechanically held in place. They're snapped in by a robot. ... "
I fucking called it

>>16780312
imagine the lore if our planet had a huge disc in the sky that has an obvious human face in it and always faces the same way towards Earth. that would be crazy. pretty much every religion would involve this man in the sky somehow.

>>16780333
>"The metal tiles... didn't work so well,"

Stoke is cooked

>>16780333
>crunch wrap
Neat
>"[we] should not be able to do what we do with our maneuver coming back with a booster, but we've been able to essentially show through flight that we have more stability than either CFD (Computational Fluid Dynamics) or the wind tunnels show that we have," Gerstenmaier said.
lol

>>16780343
likely because most models use formulas that "cheat" in one way or another by using simplifying assumptions.

>>16780343
I would not be shocked if this is some sort of boundary layer effect
At one point in the 60s-70s aircraft companies became obsessed with blown flaps on supersonic airplanes because their wings were only optimized for high speed flight

So at the point it is going subsonic you can see in the video of the flight that tiles are glowing red and could be potentially emitting some gas from the ablative layer underneath them

>>16780333
>"The metal tiles... didn't work so well," he said. "They oxidized extremely nice in the high oxygen environment. So, that nice orange color, kind of like a [space] shuttle external tank color, maybe paying homage to the shuttle program, was created by those three little metal tiles up on top."

But Thunderfoot said copper oxide is always black. He was very insistent about that.

>"I get what I call a minimum viable solution," Gerstenmaier said. "I don't really understand why it works, but somehow it works, so we're going to use it, we're going to monetize it, we're going to make it work. You have the chance to help me understand why it works... And you may find out, hey, there's another approach that actually lets it work even better."
>just simulate shit for five years years instead of launching bro, the sims will fix it

Breakfast
Break
Lunch
School Trip
Happy Hour

Tough gig. NASA earning their hardship pay.

People panic too much about the tiles being not reusable enough. Half the ship could be covered in anti-heat wrap and missing tiles and it would still make it to Earth with only minor damage. It's stainless steel. By the time the early ships get damaged it will already have reflown as much as early Falcon 9s have before it is retired

Shittle lost a couple tiles and turned people into medium rare red paste

>35 (THIRTY FIVE) probes have visited venus since the space age
>not one (1) true colour photo

>>16780356
You'd be shocked at how much science happens because two scientists meet at a social function

https://www.epsc-dps2025.eu/ running right now
>Venus: MITM
Oh they're still trying!

>>16780360
space is hard

>>16780358
Goalposts: moved

>spaceflight is forever cucked by ceramic tiles
where do we go from here? its like being born on a 10g planet.

>>16780360
They don't want us to know that color doesn't exist over there.

>>16780361
Yeah. Zero.

Unless you would care to cite the scientific discoveries made at The Jolly Scholar Happy Hour Mini Taco Bar.

Simply remove the atmosphere

Gerstenmaier didn't say anything about the ceramic tiles suffering damage unrelated to the gaps, which is kind of the point. If the crunch wrap is actually werking properly, then they just need to catch a ship to see how much much wear the tiles experience from one trip.

I love her
https://youtu.be/XYtPqgMo5Q4

>>16780373
my peenus weenus of course

>>16780373
sounds like a tranny

>>16780199
Lol berger countered with
>well maybe give us a real starship update then, faggot

>>16780378
based

It's okay, we just need another couple billion dollars. We might launch a bit behind schedule, but that's okay, if's going to take 6 years to get there anyway. Mission start, 2034!

>TMF Tracking - Tim Farrar TMF Associates Reputation & ASTS Tracker
https://istimwrongagain.com/
lol

>>16780385
/sfg/ spaceflight consulting agency when?

>>16780333
>Gulf of Mexico

>>16780349
the tiles were probably not made of copper.

>>16780384
The funny thing about this is that NASA's budget is FLAT for the next four years

If the cost runs over, something is going to get canceled to pay for it

>>16780363
Nigger: posted

>>16780364
>waaaaaaa moy staw twek pop soience tranny future isn't real!!!
Dude get a grip

>>16780358
Rapid turn-around?

IT'S OVER FUCK
https://x.com/NASAOIG/status/1965419192116801737

>>16780358
The gash in columbia was huge, and was in the leading edge of the wing, not the tiles. If starship started reentry with such a large gash in a critical area like the nose then it would certainly not survive. Columbia was not lost becauseof muh aluminium, it was lost due to complete negligence by flight control. They knew there was a major foam strike and if they had perfomed an EVA they would have seen the huge hole, but they just thought "meh who gives a shit" and sent it.

>>16780403
owari da. now what am I going to look forward to?

>>16780407
fascist genocidal american space empire

>>16780403
everything is basically cancelled
other than SLS that is

>>16780403
>>16780384

It's ok guys. once we get our hands on the fancy flying eggs we can just go to Titan outselves

>>16780398
you aren't supposed to point that out bro

>>16780408
Hell yeah

>>16779184
But ears don't work in space, there's no air.

>>16780408
>>16780414
Judeo-Fascist btw

>>16780403
Why did you post an edit of the actual tweet

could starship get to titan before dragonfly?

>>16780420
50/50

Why not put a swarm of Dragonflies on a Starship and send it to Titan? We really need to move past gravity assists in the year 2025.

>>16780425
Too much RTG nuclear material you’re calling for there
>well we should just make more
Yes

>>16780403
>>16780419
fucking nigger trolled us all

>>16780425
Starship will never get to titan. get real.

>>16780430
Why not?

>>16780432
it would have to launch from jupiter

>>16780434
Why?

>>16780432
the dry mass is too much, it's just a terrible vehicle for outer solar system work. Mars is just barely at the edgeof it's capability with 15+ refuelling missions and a refuelling mission on Mars. Going beyond is ridiculous. Best to deploy a large probe bus in earth orbit and allow that to make the trip.

>>16780442
Why is space so unfair?

>First orbital starship confirmed not until March/April 2026 at earliest
It's kinda funny, back in 2016 during the first presentation I generally thought ITS development would take 10 years to reach orbit.
But if you had told me this back in 2021 after the hops and first stack I wouldn't have believed it at all.

>>16780445
>First orbital starship confirmed not until March/April 2026 at earliest
nsf said this awhile ago

>>16780446
Two more quarters.

>>16780446
Yes it was more or less clear from the moment Musk said they wouldn't launch Starlink on Starship until v3 back in early June, but we have confirmation now.

>>16780444
On the bright side, both GR and quantum physics are likely wrong, so maybe it is possible to escape the rocket equation and produce propellantless thrust.

>>16780333
>>16780336
https://x.com/eager_space/status/1965520051475546407

>>16780457
>maybe
It's more like definitely

>>16780457
QFT is not wrong

>>16780333
>"The metal tiles... didn't work so well,"
He didn't fly so good! Who wants to try next?

>>16780463
It is wrong. the question is how much

>>16780459
at 200 kilometers? isn’t the atmosphere like 0.001% of sea level density there? who cares if it’s all oxygen

>>16780472
Wow why didn’t spacex think of this??

Is a rapidly reusable TPS even possible?

>>16780480
>Is a rapidly reusable TPS even possible?
Airplane like? No
Enough to at least match and surpass peak F9 reuse cadence? Sure

>>16780472
And this is why anon is not in the space industry.

>>16780480
we dont know but probably

>>16780483
Yeah this is my thought process as well. Supplement the problem by just building lots of ships and hot-swapping them. Send freshly landed ships to the VAB and just try to minmax the tile refurb process.
>inb4 shuttlefication
>inb4 look at how starship fans cope
I’m just being realistic here, y’know?

>>16780472
the ship is moving pretty quickly, the effective pressure is quite a bit higher than you would experience just staying put

>>16780480
Depends on the standard wear experienced by the tiles and the crunch wrap. Given that they have years to improve upon the TPS as they're increasing cadence, I would say that they will get to a point that the TPS needs no refurb between flights. I don't think that will be the most limiting factor when it comes to the catch, restack, refuel, and launch process they want.

>>16780493
They’ll have time to figure it out, sure. HLS doesn’t need to reenter and starship will likely be just LEO-starlink for a long time. Any program akin to Polaris or DearMoon that wants to put humans in a starship will likely use Dragon as the ferry to and from the gravity well of Earth.
Shitty part is that reentry from lunar orbit is like 100x more energetic than just LEO. And from Mars, it’s closer to 200x more energetic. Gonna need a miracle or two if they really want a thermal protection system that can fly back through hell and be ready to go for another flight in a timely manner

>>16780489
>Supplement the problem by just building lots of ships
they have to do this anyway because it takes multiple orbits for a ship to come back for catch.

>>16780480
it'll be unnecessary soon. well, hopefully.

>>16780497
Yeah, I was just talking about Starlink and other such launches.

depleted uranium alloy tps

>>16780505
Anon we have 15T to LEO to work with here… these are slim margins

>>16780333
A good clarticle? There must be some kind of mistake

>>16780356
>Space Succes Promotions

>>16780558
as opposed to ericlese.

>>16780459
what if metal is a good martian shield but a shit earth one

>>16780615
Could work
No oxygen blast in Mars re-entry

>>16780623
The co2 is broken down by the energy of entry so you actually still face a lot of oxygen.

>>16780364
we finally realize that yes, we do need to bootstrap industry in space, there is no other way

>>16780649
> there is no other way
antigravity

>>16780649
this is why the moon is such an underrated treasure. A gigantic resource depot not so far away, big enough for practically limitless resource extraction but small enough to be trivially easy to launch from, and with no atmoshpere to worry about. Jeff Bozo is right about space desu. It will be the moon where we will get our start. Not Mars.

>>16780660
>let's move from one gravity well to another, that seems smart
the future is in SPACE, nigga

since ASTS owns the other half of useful spectrum, do we think that blue origin or amazon will buy them to compete with starlink?

>>16780360
Hopefully with human activity around mars in the next 50 years, JPL autism will be forced to shift elsewhere. I think Venus is a great solar system body worth pouring robotic might in to. Explore the surface, explore the atmosphere, do a sample return, design a hypertism designed superprobe that can attempt curiosity/perseverance tier science on the surface

>>16780670
It is smart. You're so traumatized by the earth's gravity well that you're terrified of even a tiny amount of gravity

>>16780673
It would be amazon if it's anyone, I feel like.

>>16780670
impossible with chemical rocketry. enjoy carrying double your weight in fuel and travelling for weeks just to visit your neigbours gay little a*teroid.

>>16780172
This is the most early 1990s clipart cover ever. Beating even the Starfox Adventures parody one that derailed a thread.

>>16780403
thats how it should be
can't deliver on time? cancelled and everyone fired

>>16780404
no, there was no possibility of a rescue mission so it either works or it doesn't

>>16780649
>>16780364
>wanting to come back
>to earth

>>16780615
Mars has a higher oxygen ratio than Earth.

>>16778526
It's aliens.

Elon Lied
People Died

>>16780741
name one

oof. nail on the head.

>>16780757
he could say the same about Saturn V before it flew.

>>16780758
>before it flew.
shitship has already flown 10 times buddy.

Starship is a functional partially-reusable LV already though

Keep dreaming nigger.

>>16780761
The goalposts are in orbit.

>>16780761
>still no confidence on HLS

Actually spaceX already demonstrated almost everything needed except prop transfer and I guess the elevator. HLS doesn't need to re-enter and they've already demonstrated high precision landing of the ship. as far as human space flight they have ample experience with dragon.

>>16780780
>as far as human space flight they have ample experience with dragon.
smartest /sfg/ poster

>>16780782
they know how to design crew accommodations and keep people alive in space.

yep, it's clown hours.

>>16780783
in a capsule

>>16780459
most interesting part of the article was that the superheavy flight profile wasn't possible according to CFD and windtunnel testing.