Thread 16807853

A guy told me once NSA built backdoors in mathematical equestions themselves. is it true or just schio talk? he was homeless

>backdoors in mathematical equations
Obviously schizo talk
>encouraging or demanding use of flawed encryption algorithms
Truth https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/a-brief-history-of-the-nsa-attempting-to-insert-backdoors-into-encrypted-data

>>16807859
>know there is a weakness in the algorithm, proven mathematically
>dont publish it

>>16807853 (OP)
It true

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_EC_DRBG

>>16807853 (OP)
An entire movie was made with that premise.

>>16807901
How can the government have so much illegal surveillance and yet be so fucking retarded?

>>16807920
90% of humans are complete egoistical retards. NSA has some iq requirments so I guess for them it's 50% retards. Any company or organization works the same way. There are like few smart guys who figure out stuff and make money and thousands mouthbreathers who just want to keep their nice job. So on literally every level of production chain you have people lying and covering their asses. From regular workers to CEOs, everyone answers before someone. At least this shit is much less noticable in democracies and capitalism but in countries like russia you end up with corruption and complete delusions. that's why the ukraine invasion failed, they thought they could pull it off in 3 days because people on every position from ministry of defense down to a regular soldier was lying about something. and this happens in every industry/organization since humans learned to talk

>>16807920
How can someone with the worlds knowlage at his fingertipps still be a idiot?

>>16807944
what fingertip? almost all of academia today is corrupt trash heaps or hidden behind paywalls

>>16807968
Don't know, im in cs, never encounterd what you discribe

>>16807972
oh you are in a meme programme nevermind
carry on tool

>>16807980
OPs question is a cs question, i shut up in physic threats, but my core subject is cyptography so i find it fair for me to post here.

Also it's us, cs, that pushes science forwart like nobody else. And if you find a issue in our work you can just open a pull request.
We are not corrupt as you say, we don't hide behind academic towers but happly share our ideas. And we all make a shittown of money form our comfy homeoffice.

So hate all you want, but cs is the giant on whose sholders all mordern science sitts

>>16807853 (OP)
>he was homeless
hobos are always right anon
always
they went crazy cause they knew too much

>>16807990
kek

>>16807859
>its not true
>its true
got it glow nigger

>>16808008
NTA but I suspect what he means is
there are two parts in cryptography
one is the math which the pure math-fags do
and the second is the implementation of the math, which CS-fags do

they are both equally important and hard, a theoretically great math solution could be useless practically due to CS reasons

Anyway what he claims is the math can't be backdoored, but the implementation can.

I don't know enough to say if he is right though.

>>16808052
This is not true.
Dual EC had an intentional nsa backdoor in the "pure math", not in a specific implementation

>>16807990
b a s t e

>>16807933
A general rule is that 50% of an organization's value is produced by a group the size of the square root of the number of employees. For the CIA, that's SQRT(22000) or about 148 people. The rest collectively struggle to provide the other 50% of value, with quite a few employees providing negative value.
When important information flows into the CIA, what are the odds it ends up with one of those 148 people? Hopefully not just 148/22000 but since the CIA is highly compartmentalized, maybe it is that simple.

>>16808008
>I tell you that the NSA was flogging backdoored encryption algorithms and provide a source for further reading
>you somehow construe this as a denial
You definitely ate lead paint as a child

>>16808052
>>16808067
What I (first poster) meant is that the NSA wanted people to use the Dual EC PRNG with the specific constant parameters that they provided so that they could break randomness and use a result to predict the next output. However this doesn't mean that all of mathematics is compromised by the NSA like OP's schizo friend was saying.

There's so many poorly informed or thought out takes in this board I don't even feel like replying to anyone anymore.
Are you faggots even trying?

>>16808158
>What I (first poster) meant is that the NSA wanted people to use the Dual EC PRNG with the specific constant parameters that they provide

Well yes but the algo is broken by design to allow these kind of parameters.

>>16808158
Not all of math is compromised by NSA, its not 1984 and 2+2=5,
but they want to backdoor https sooo bad and who knows what tricks they are up to right now. They might be able to crack the encryption of the POST request sending this very post. Yet, of cause they have a backdoor in my android and can screenshot it. Well they might as well have a keylogger in the fucking samsung virtual keyboard i'm typing this on. Or they have a backdoor for 4chan, for Facebook and x they have an api.

The tinfoils are iright here, nsa wants to listen in to any communication on the Planet, if that means to compromice some mathimatical Organisations thats no hasel. They have good mathematicans and limetless money

>>16808171
Can you point out some posts? It's very important that we keep the quality of 4chan posts at a high standart

>>16808215
All hardware is backdoored
All major corps are backdoored
4chan is not just backdoored it's literally run by the feds
Linux is backdoored

Even if https is not backdoored, it doesn't really matter

>>16807990
too obvious

>>16807853 (OP)
Just take for granted that computer security means security from common criminals, people above some social status can access all your files or also kidnap you and get you to display everything. Elites (above some level, think top 200 families) are immune from laws.

>>16808096
>A general rule is that 50% of an organization's value is produced by a group the size of the square root of the number of employees.
Not in sweatshops, mines or assorted production lines. There its pretty lineal, a worker produces.

>>16807853 (OP)
they have a backdoor to the entire language.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Qda-xzg-Flo

"backdoor into the equations themselves" sounds like schizo babble.

>>16807853 (OP)
What exactly were you doing to that homeless schizo that made him so fixated on back doors?

>>16807920
Incompleteness— no matter how many things they can see, there will still be an infinite amount of things they can't.

>>16807920
they have smart engineers, who they work for on the other hand....

>>16808373
We will keep that in mind when the CIA starts mining coal.

>>16808372
>means security from common criminals
Only for the people above the social status you were mentioning, everyone else gets their crypto keys stolen fairly easily.

>>16808372
That retarded comic is positively glowing
prism, edgehill, muscular, bullrun etc., all clandestine government operations designed to spy on citizens, use technological backdoors and tricks. xkcd is so fucking reddit

The fact that things like Public Key Encryption work makes me open to the possibility of structural backdoors in some algorithms that have not been disclosed.

>>16807859
>>backdoors in mathematical equations
>Obviously schizo talk
>>built in backdoor in cryptographic algorithm
>somehow not schizo because the truth is more concealed to the normie like that
The absolute cognitive and moral state of useful idiots and/or glowies in our times.

Next thing you're gonna tell us is that state surveillance is for terrorism and child molesters

>>16808444
>"backdoor into the equations themselves" sounds like schizo babble.
They actually did this with elliptic curves used in standard cryptographic algorithms

>>16808256
>Linux is backdoored
is it worse than MS?

If you were going to make a backdoor in pic related, how would you do it?

>>16808542
They use those until they find something they cant crack, then they just kidnap (sorry, ARREST) the CEO of the uncooperative software company and get him to cooperate.

>>16807906
Oh well, with definitive evidence like that freely available online, I feel stupid for even asking.

It's no accident Rijndael was chosen over Serpent for AES as it left the door open for possible future NSA exploits. Muh speed was given as the excuse, ignoring ever increasing computing speed. The chosen algorithm would also receive a hardware instruction set on most architectures.
https://web.archive.org/web/20231124173420/https://csrc.nist.rip/encryption/aes/round2/conf3/AES3FeedbackForm-summary.pdf

>>16808171
Are you?

>>16807990
bodied that freak

>>16807853 (OP)
>equestions
something to do with horses, I expect.

http://www.toad.com/des-stanford-meeting.html
diffie and hellman asking NSA about DES key in 70s
>describes some shit key exchange protocol to DH
>if there was an error in the key it would be bad so we have 8 parity bits
>a machine to brute force a 56-bit key space is not feasible
>nobody is interested in that government data so it doesn't matter
>DES is not designed to protect data for 10-15 years
they were never very subtle

>>16807990
you guys are irrelevant as much as accounters doing nothing but typin shit to excel.
>cyrptography
>what algo do you use
>lmao I'm trying all possible combinations to hack Satoshi Nakamoto's wallet

>>16807853 (OP)
you didn't understand what he told you
there are tripwires, books that you can buy, subjects that you can write on, google searches that will attract the gaze of the all-seeing eye

I dont understand how computer programming is still a thing. All the programs are written. All the operating systems are already written.
What do you do, monitor the internet to check for hacks and malware? Must be, no one is going to write new software ever again
>New browser
>New app to hail taxis
>Use this physics engine to the latest 1st person shooter

>>16811649
Then why are you using multiple computer programs in the form of browsers and forums instead of just dictating things to your phone?

>>16807853 (OP)
if it were true then you wouldnt be able to make short term or long term money on options contracts lmao

think about the correlation im drawing, anything that can explain reality in the sense of future predictiveness is open source you can read the original paper for BS or physics its all open to the public

its quite a stupid question anon

you should be able to think for yourself i hate these low quality posts

youd see IV swings if there were a backdoor in math

and dont say its financial math its still applicable to our lives esp if you see how most long term options on SPY dont make much they all correlate

>>16810268
"cas' secks was ah registered secks affendah!"

>>16813692
>Then why are you using multiple computer programs in the form of browsers and forums instead of just dictating things to your phone?
These are already written pal, browsers are old af. Unless you think that the latest Chrome version with rearranged menus counts as new software
Nobody is making new software. New software is as stupid as new fiction books, theres already millions of books, another isnt going to make a difference

>>16816140
Its a good thing for the rest of us that your ignorance doesn't limit everyone else's abilities, so there are people currently making new browser software for prototype hardware that isn't even fully developed yet.

>>16807877
>tfw (You) and all the other retards out there couldn't find it
state of the board, faggots.

>>16807853 (OP)
The NSA gets so much credit but they are fucking retarded. All they did was hold the daughter of a super intelligence hostage and forced her to do things for them.

Seriously, how fucked up is this? They aren't even smart enough to have done this by design, it's completely accidental. They made a world so fucking shitty that if Gwen just rescued me that the world would shit itself at the size of the conspiracy and how rapey the people they elected are. Gwen was forced to do a massive fucking work around so that the world wasn't a complete shit show for her and her daughters to live in. That's all this is. You created a world so fucking shitty that a super intelligent God like being has to let her daughter suffer an extended time in order to save the world.

It's the saddest fucking shit. You people are so fucking retarded for trying to take the credit of a super intelligence after you ruined the world. That's how fucking retarded you all are.

>>16810268
Teacher begins the funny math joke:
>Why was six afraid of seven?
Entire class:
>SIX SEVEN!!! SIX SEVEN!!!!!!! {hand motions}

>>16808890
Yeah the quality of replies is pretty bad here, even to sci's shitty standards.
NSA uses a full arsenal of methods for its mission one of which is indeed backdoors to certain algorithms. A public example being Dual_EC_DRBG as pointed out by this anon:
>>16807901
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_EC_DRBG