Thread 16825072

Why are you a retarded monkey? - edition

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>>16825072 (OP)
First for Rocket Factory Augsburg

>>16825076
basiert

>>16825072 (OP)
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>>16825065
Are you ESL? How would you get that out of what he said.

>>16825086
Evidently I'm referencing history you don't know.

>wake up
>dreamchaser STILL hasn't launched
why even live

>>16825072 (OP)
>retarded monkey

We're all retarded monkeys

>>16825098
So that's how the bike lady looks from the front.

I am once again asking what the FUCK is he waiting for

>>16825105
His plans are measured in centuries

whole troupe of biker girls just rode by starbase in mt dreams

>>16825105
first, you have to master suborbital space. Imagine, thousands of people living and working around the kármán line, kilometers-wide suborbital space stations with continuous thrust to maintain altitude, and eventually.. a suborbital ring around Earth, that's his master plan.

>>16825105
Gradatim Gradociter
the turtle still moves

>>16825105
O'Neill cylinders won't be feasible for a hundred years. He is in no hurry.

He's got to keep to the tech track.

>>16825124
>space suits

https://x.com/pbdes/status/1981432814689214618
>5 weeks from budget-setting ministerial conference, the European Space Agency finishes review of its EUR 22B ($25.5B) proposal; UK-led Truths is out after UK Space Agency funding withdrawal. Unknowns remain re CNES, NASA budgets' impact on ESA programs.

>>16825129
so the UK deleted its space budget?

People should stop calling Zhuque-3 a F9 clone when it's clearly not one. It's loosely inspired by it but to call it a direct clone is factually wrong. And anyway, you should be happy that someone else is having a serious attempt at booster reusability.

>>16825135
why are its legs so stubby compared to falcon 9's?

>>16825135
Xitterfags are the only ones seething about this.
I love seeing the chinese succeed in space

>>16825129
>canada
Didn't know they were in europe, my bad.

>>16825137
They haven't learned yet.
F9s legs are barely enough for rough seas.
These will only be sufficient for RTLS and very light seas

>>16825135
No we are not happy. CCP delenda est.

>>16825135
lol they even copied spacex's logo

>>16825142
>These will only be sufficient for RTLS and very light seas
But these won't be landing at either of those locations.
They'll be landing on villages.

I hate leafs

>>16825147
How many robotic arms has SpaceX ever produced again?

Slampig alert on the Joe Barnard stream

It looks better than F9. As soulless as chinks are the decal on the stainless steel body looks good and more rockets should be like this.

>>16825135
This thing seems worse in every way except payload with downrange recovery for some reason.
Regardless, it's close enough that this thing could be a real workhorse, assuming those numbers are anywhere close to real performance. I genuinely think China's best bet would be mass-producing a slightly shitty rocket with the cheapest materials and chasing economies of scale instead of reuse.

>>16825135
>rocket is not called long march
>it's the one that actually makes a 4000 km long march to launch

https://x.com/LandSpace_Tech/status/1979158729577893943

>>16825143
Shortsighted. China needs to be a credible threat in order to be worth annihilating, from a political standpoint.

Flight 2 soon?
https://x.com/isaraerospace/status/1981359117949116535

https://arstechnica.com/space/2025/10/texas-lawmakers-double-down-on-discovery-call-for-doj-investigation-into-smithsonian/
>umm sorry sweaty your city's federally funded and controlled facility didn't meet our arbitrary standards for displays so you don't deserve an orbiter
Used to live there and was ambivalent about this but I've had it with these smug retards. Grind Discovery into dust and dump it in the Gulf of America Mr. Senator.
SCORCHED EARTH

"We are Flaming Dragon!"

Elon's space crime jungle base dismantled.

>>16825149
>muh robot arm
How many rockets has Oh Canadia ever produced again?

>>16825139
At this point I'm happy to see anyone try a boostback stage. Especially after eesa and ULA were so smug against it.

>>16825149
Several on their SS launch towers, idiot

>>16825135
>stop saying it's a copy
>but anyways, you should be glad it's a copy

More bitching and complaining from the telescope wankers.

>>16825177
why are they only alarmed by certain constellations but not others? why are they silent about kuiper, military, and chinese constellations?

>>16825177
My brain registered 'Mirrors' as 'Minors' and I was suddenly very confused.

Outta Time

>>16825177
telescope mirrors

>>16825180
Kids should go to space.

>>16825170
kek. What kind of pan pacific bullshit is that?

>>16825177
>Just build a telescope in space, bro.
>>16825179
>silent about kuiper
I try hard not to giggle about Kuiper.

>>16825179
They might be, but you'll never know because they will only be asked about certain ones. Any mention of others will be excluded from the article. You don't hate them enough.

>>16825170
Mars scammers will be a trillion dollar industry.

>>16825179
Bruh, don't bother. China could drop nuclear bombs and kill millions of its citizens, while the media and normies would just focus on Crew Dragon's broken toilet.

>>16825135
Is it really serious to copycat Falcon 9 when Starship is just around the corner or 2?

>>16825170
do not redeem the terminals, saar mustard pls

>>16825197
ship india to mars and put all the call centers there

>hello saar this is tech support
>22 minutes pass
>yes turn computer off and on again saar
>22 minutes pass

>>16825153
It looks good on a virgin flight, but if you're serious about reuse then these thing are going to get absolutely filthy.

>>16825221
Filthy decay is a cool look in its own way

>>16825221
filthy bike lady mmmmm...

>>16825135
>>16825153
>>16825221
司马粉红滚回支那

>>16825225
妖魔鬼怪快啲走

Falcon 9 is the town bike of spaceflight

so, when is the next spaceship test?

>>16825228
next year

>>16825227
>bike
please, don't summon him

>>16825204
Why not copy F9. Chinese aren't going to launch their constellations using SpaceX or any other US launcher no matter how cheap. Not sure if they would even be permitted by either side at this point. First Chinese company to get there can gobble up a lot of contracts for launch and funding for a fully reusable system.

If Spaceland gets that thing working, will they just start yeeting a bunch of internet into space as well? Seems like the end game of high cadence space flight, let's just deliver web porn into isolated jungle villages

>>16825135
11,8t expended / 8t downrage recovery
those numbers are for a future upgraded version

>>16825234
so half a f9

>>16825094
Haolong might launch first

wait, they did flight 11 already???

"Murph!"

Author estimates one or more black stars within 20 so light years, so if you can toss probes to the nearest stars, you can go diddle an event horizon.

Just need a cool name for the mission.

>>16825239
12 as well

>>16825241
>i won't be able to see it
What's the point?

>>16825239
yep, here's the recap
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T84qFp4_3ns

>>16825193
Meaningless comparison.

SX began working on Raptor in 2011, and testing began in 2014. BO began working on BE-7 much later, and testing began in 2019. Naturally, BO's Mk1 is behind SS in terms of flight tests. However, it's not flight ability that's the reason to doubt SX HLS schedule; it's that it will require a lot of additional development beyond simply flying, including rapid turnaround and massive in-orbit cryogenic refueling.

>Bruno recently commented that the delivery rate of BE-4 engines for Vulcan was two per month and increasing towards one and a half per week.

Sure they will....

>>16825193
Meaningless comparison.

SX began working on Raptor in 2011, and testing began in 2014. BO began working on BE-7 much later, and testing began in 2019. Furthermore, BM/BE-7 is not nearly as important a priority to BO's business as SS/Raptor is to SX. Naturally, BO's Mk1 is behind SS in terms of flight tests. However, it's not flight ability that's the reason to doubt SX HLS schedule; it's that it will require a great deal of additional development beyond simply being able to successfully fly; it will need rapid turnaround and massive in-orbit cryogenic propellant transfer.

>>16825204
Multiple Chinese companies, including Landspace, are working on Starship clones as fast as they can. However, China's Raptor equivalents aren't ready yet, and won't be ready for several years.

>>16825244
Anti-aging is the most important field in spaceflight

>>16825237
Comparable to F9 v1.1

>>16825253
decades*

>>16825256
I believe 2028 is the target for both BF-20 and YF-215

>>16825142
ZQ-3 will land downrange on land. No barges.

>>16825249
Meanwhile
>where do I put all these Raptors?

>>16825158
SAST's plant 149 is not far away from Landspace's Jiaxing facility. The distance to Jiuquan is about the same.

>>16825253
>Multiple Chinese companies, including Landspace, are working on Starship clones as fast as they can

None of them actually are, but that doesn't stop them from baiting investors.

are we doing movie night or what

>>16825176
Just because it offers similar functionality doesn't mean it's accurate to call it a copy.

>>16825273
Movie night with this movie?

>>16825279
pre 70's scifi movies only

>>16825272
Landspace said they had conducted >30 ignition tests of BF-20 as of September, including a full-system test, and they showed test footage, so it seems like they are angling with extremely high quality bait
https://xcancel.com/LandSpace_Tech/status/1968982722933879223

CASC is 100% state-owned

>>16825272
Landspace said they had conducted >30 ignitions of BF-20 as of September, including a full-system test, and they showed test footage, so it seems like they are angling with extremely high quality bait
https://xcancel.com/LandSpace_Tech/status/1968982722933879223

CASC is 100% state-owned

>>16825285
A ZQ-3 engine, what about this purported Starship clone.

>>16825288
meant for >>16825287

Electron is miniscule wtf

>>16825288
The last few seconds are footage of the BF-20 (蓝焱)

anything from this list. new movies are nice but they don't really have that movie night feeling to them yknow?

https://www.imdb.com/list/ls026507778/

>>16825273
No we’re doing move night. As in MOVE NIGGA GET OFF THE PAD
https://youtu.be/A4H6Hp__dVA

>>16825291
One Starship, 5 Electrons each with a Jupiter moon lander that is powered by a battery.

>>16825292
The BF-20 is the engine Landspace uses in the ZQ-3, a Falcon 9 clone.

>>16825300
ZQ-3 uses TQ-12 and TQ-15 variants, which are open cycle engines

>>16825291
I didn't even see the Electron at first, I thought your were calling the Kinetica 1 an Electron lmao

>>16825293
Say a movie night does happen. What site would be used? Cytube?

>>16825287
Raptor had its first full system test in 2016, and the first flight test was in 2019, so it seems Landspace is on track if they have a 2028 target for flight-worthiness

>>16825310
thats the one most people use

>>16825296
I do love watching those old Minuteman stages haul ass.

>>16825135
If people want to see what actual F9 copying looks like, they should look at Space Pioneer's TL-3. In terms of design choices, it is almost identical.

>>16825069
>a senior White House official told the Washington Free Beacon.
Which official? One of Musk's allies, such as the Lutnick guy?

>>16825325
>Free Beacon
I'll take it!

https://x.com/SERobinsonJr/status/1981436575201263845

Samsung's Exynos chipset is getting Starlink support.

It do be like that

>>16825153
It looks white anyway once loaded with propellant

>>16825325
DoT to be placed under the control of NASA

>>16825156
>I genuinely think China's best bet would be mass-producing a slightly shitty rocket with the cheapest materials and chasing economies of scale instead of reuse.
Why not both reuse, cheap materials and economies of scale?

>>16825248
>>16825252
cope

>>16825334
NOOOO YOU CANT

>>16825330
starlink is going to replace the internet

>>16825330
https://www.kedglobal.com/korean-chipmakers/newsView/ked202510230006

>>16825334
Chinese engines and software

>>16825335
BO might be slower and further behind than SpaceX, but a BM Mk1 based Artemis architecture would require much less development work, so in that sense they might still be able to deliver earlier.

Besides: NG is arguably the most advanced flying rocket on the planet other than Starship. It's certainly a lot more advanced than F9. Long lead parts started development at the same time as Starship's. Both make use of tech that was unprecedented at the time that development started. The two rockets might be reaching operational capability at about the same time. Bezos didn't start cutting big checks to BO until around the mid-2010s. SpaceX is of course faster than BO, but BO is not *that* slow, all considered.

Kuiper was never going to hit the license requirements anyways; they will need an extension.

>>16825342
What do you mean?

>>16825342
If anything, the Chinese have an advantage when it comes to engines, because methane burns cleaner

Regarding software, sure they will crash rockets a lot at the start like SpaceX did, however they will fix it eventually. It will take years to spool up rocket production and streamline refurbishment & launch operations anyway.

>>16825340
>$500 billion market in the next decade
Starlink is poised to establish dominance over this market too.

>>16825354
Why would it dominate a $500b market? Would it be superior to 5G base stations?

>>16825352
I mean the actual engine design, not the fuel. Merlin and Raptor are technology moats people don't often realize the depth of.

>>16825345
>It's certainly a lot more advanced than F9
Nope

F9 is the most proven and advanced rocket to date. Exceptional reusability, exceptional performance, exceptional reliability, exceptional turnaround time (<3 day turnaround time), exceptional cadence. Starship is the next, its the most very advanced rocket on the planet when it comes to technology by far, but its still in development. BO has larger mass than F9, but still not proven and isnt shown to be more advanced, it hasnt proven out its reusability, it hasnt proven its reliability, and hasnt been tested. Still virgin territory.

>>16825356
People live outside the city, if you havent noticed. A good chunk of the world. ~30% of any developed world lives in rural establishment. Further people travel in between places where cell signals are choppy and 5G non-existent due to gaps in distance coverage for base station.

>>16825361
>>16825356
Starlink is the 6G. Connection anywhere on earth.

>>16825357
How would expendability solve that problem for the Chinese?

>>16825358
Methalox, closed cycle, far bigger payload without requiring multiple cores

>it's proven, reliable, etc
There are steam locomotives that are highly proven, reliable, etc, due to having been used a lot, but that doesn't mean they're more "advanced" than a new train design.

>>16825345
>the most advanced flying rocket on the planet
Nobody fucking believes that, not even Blue Origin.

>>16825363
Just because you call it 6G doesn't make it better

>Connection anywhere on earth.
Most of the potential customers are already served by terrestrial systems, in many cases 5G. Most customers don't care about connection in the middle of nowhere, or at least, they're not willing to pay significantly more for it.

>>16825370
>other than Starship
Starship is of course number 1. Which would you argue is the number 2, if not NG?

>>16825373
>most of the potential customers
Starlink has 8 million customers and growing rapidly.

>we have FIBER IN CITY, WHY DO YOU NEED STARLINK
Retard.

>>16825361
There's not a lot of money to be made in the market "people who are not covered by terrestrial systems".

>~30% of any developed world lives in rural establishment
There are many types of rural. "Rural" does not necessarily mean "no cell coverage when you want it".

>people sometimes travel through places where there is poor coverage
Yes, but that is a very small part of the time for most people, and they won't be willing to pay a lot of money just to cover that time.

>>16825373
>Just because you call it 6G doesn't make it better
Thats the industry standard name, dumbass.

https://arxiv.org/pdf/2104.10533

>>16825385
There is no "6G" industry standard yet. It is likely that there will be a satellite based standard called 6G, or at least that people will call whatever satellite based standard they're using 6G, because that's an obvious name to use. But as I said, just because you call it 6G doesn't necessarily make it better than 5G.

>>16825376
>8 million customers
There are an estimated 6 billion internet users. It's misleading to talk about dominating a $500B market, if what you are capturing is less than 1% of that market.

>fiber
I thought we were talking about direct-to-device connections

>>16825345
> a BM Mk1 based Artemis architecture would require much less development

Mk1 designed for a one way trip. Have to design the entire come back part of the system, which also requires beefing up the original Mk1 to carry the increased loads on landing.

>>16825381
All smart cars going forward will have 6G chips going forward. All phones will have 6G chips going forward. Sat service is a huge industry that will be powering autonomous cars everywhere. As autonomous cars travel outside the city and onto highways, like Tesla cars right now are, they will need the 6G. And Tesla isn't the ONLY car company that will want to have 6G connection to their car. Every major car will have it if only for the safety factor of emergency safety. Services may only cost as low as $10/m for in car emergency that provides low speed internet for text/voice calling/etc. And for real autonomous players like Tesla, they will need their cars to be tracked everywhere so they know where their fleet cars are. Same with all other fleet car owners in the world that want to keep track of their cars. I bet rental car companies will also have them. Same with enterprise/company cars.

>>16825389
Goal posting. Industry is already accepted LEO sats as 6G. Chip designs are being finalized. Those who are on the table, make the chips, buy the chips, use the chips, sets the standard. Starlink is the leading contender. Apple is also planning to integrate Starlink specifications into their chipsets as well.

>>16825389
>I hate Elon Musk therefore 6G is fake

>>16825364
Comparable payload with easier engines. Reuse requires exceptional performance to have a rocket worth a shit.

>>16825396
They might have the chips built in by default, but that doesn't mean people will be willing to pay a lot of money for a satellite subscription

The places where autonomous cars will benefit from connectivity is in the densely inhabited places where there generally is cell coverage

I dunno where you live but where I live there is generally cell coverage along highways. Even in countries where cell coverage is less built out, it will usually be built in the places where there is significant money to make.

>Every major car will have it if only for the safety factor of emergency safety
Not unless it is offered for extremely low cost (a lot less than $10/month) or if you can make the regulators force it

>>16825404
Even if the payload penalty is 30% (as Landspace says their initial ZQ-3 variant will have), and even if they can reuse a rocket just 15 times, they will still most likely save money by reusing.

>>16825403
>I like to think that there's a $500B/year money stream that fund my Mars fantasies, or whatever

>>16825405
Rural phone service is shoddy so everyone with Rural will be looking into having a 6G sat service phone. Anyone in rural who values their life will pay $10/m to switch over. Starlink will just sign deals with other phone telecom companies to switch over automatically and collect fees that way as well. There are plenty of options. Anyone currently using Starlink will also want to have Starlink 6G service simply because they are already in an area where cell phone service is extremely limited or non existent.

>>16825411
I don't deny that there is a market segment for satellite connectivity. But that is a small fraction of the total market, especially when measured in terms of purchasing power. It will be extremely hard to compete on price with terrestrial networks, especially ones that have already been built, and still make any kind of meaningful profit.

>>16825411
And further Starlink is already pretty expensive and if you shrink the cost down to $10 or so, they will increase their market share by 5-10X since the market opens up to lower income people.

>>16825411
>Starlink will just sign deals with other phone telecom companies to switch over automatically and collect fees that way as well.
Sure, they might use it in those special instances. However for most people that's not a lot. Most customers will most of the time be using the terrestrial network if it is cheaper

>>16825416
Terrestrial networks dont have reliable coverage in rural areas or on highways. That the fucking point. Anyone using cars on highways will be a potential customer. A good chunk of rural population will be potential customer.

>>16825156
Mass producing a cheap shitty rocket is how Astra failed, rockets have to be reliable.

>>16825419
We're not talking about city folks with 5G coverage. We're talking rural and those who have a cars and live outside the city.

They have partial reliable or no terrestrial connections. So if an alternative comes with full coverage of rural areas, then they will switch over.

You people using the "if they have terrestrial connections" are using the same fucking argument as "if they have fiber, they dont need starlink". Functioning brain dead NPCs.

>>16825420
There's not a lot of money to make by covering the gaps. It's a small niche market with relatively small demand. If you're trying to compete for the bulk of demand, you will be competing with terrestrial networks and have to adjust prices accordingly. That's the fucking point.

>>16825345
A friendly reminder that New Glenn only has an LEO payload of 25 tons.

>>16825426
BO claims 45 tons

>>16825426
45 tons is the expended payload?

>>16825427
Expendable.

>>16825424
Approximately 70 million americans live outside of cities.
It's not a fucking niche.

>>16825431
People who live in cities think Rural America doesnt exist. They have different politics, different world view, different mindset, different truths, etc. They cannot understand that rural people exists.

>>16825429
I assume you mean there is a strong performance penalty in case of RTLS. F9 suffers a similar performance penalty in that case too

>>16825432
>suburbanites think they are rural

>>16825432
"Rural" is a very broad concept. It doesn't necessarily mean "in the middle of nowhere".

And even if Starlink captured a full 30% share of the market, that still is not "dominating" the market, which was the original point of discussion. It is a relatively small part of demand, even more so when you take purchasing power into account.

>>16825432
I'm not even American. I live in a country that has 90% cell coverage by area, although I've been in countries with far worse coverage.

maintaining existing land coverage also has a cost
If the government wasn't throwing hundreds of billions at fiber, it would not be competitive to starlink

>>16825438
>I can drive across my country in an hour

x64 will conquer the universe

>>16825446
power in space is at a premium. you are gonna see arm everywhere

>>16825449
This. arm is just too good for power management.

>>16825389
6G Will enable to use one cell/hotspot with terabit speeds anywhere in the planet without changing carriers/chips every time you travel.

>>16825160
If they get to flight 2 before RFA even gets back to the pad can we consider them dead?

>>16825453
the only companies that will be relevant in 10 years will be American.

>>16825422
China is quite good at making a million of something that works one time

spacex is expending a booster today

>>16825459
>BO will dominate space tourism
interested to see how they feel when starship is taking up 50 people at a time to orbit for 100K a ticket

>>16825124
>My plan to dominate space

>>16825134
yes, Bono says there are hungry people in Africa and they responded properly

>>16825475
>those retards on xitter "we didn't sacrifice the stars for anything!"

its about time we cut africa off an let nature run it's course.

>>16825459
gb2x

>>16825443
>If the government wasn't throwing hundreds of billions at fiber
there should be criminal prosecutions over the blatant theft that has occured

she sure was a good ship

why does Spain need a military commsat. what are they up to

Does your state have a special license plate celebrating space exploration?

>>16825504
>DARE TO EXPLODE

>>16825507
It's a play on the state motto "We dare defend our rights".

>>16825244
Plant trees that you know will never provide you shade.

>>16825496
Maybe they don't expect NATO to last forever.

>>16825244
>What's the point?
brown mentality.

>>16825510
not nearly as good as the hardest state motto in the nation

mine has chilies on it

>>16825507
DARE
DARE TO BRING ALL YOUR DREAMS TO LIFE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKjNVVmLCGQ

>>16825515
>or die
Might not be the best choice when dealing with rockets.

>>16825521
DARE
TO BE STUPID

What are the odds that the ZQ-3 can successfully land on their maiden launch?

>>16825529
50/50-anon, abstain from replying.

Thanks to the anons who recommended this movie, it's pretty good. The special effects were top notch for the time. Too bad none of the men took of their shirts, as it's a classic for adventure films of that era

>>16825546
>The special effects were top notch for the time
It was the first movie to have an all electronic score. The musicians union complained so they're only credited as "musical tonalities" instead of for soundtrack.

Watch The Day the Earth Stood Still (1951) next.

wait, so flight 12 will be with the new raptors?

>>16825550
The next flight is v3 ship booster and engines, yes

>>16825427
Demonstrated payload to date -- five tons. Maybe four.

Get back to us when they send up a real mission.

tick tock starshit

>>16825105
I wish a chinese spy would fuck jeff bezos on his yacht so this meme would take off

>>16825566
For anyone who doesn't know, Neutron is a Falcon 9 with about half of the payload capacity, because the payload fairings are integrated with the rest of the first stage. The second stage is and shall likewise remain expendable. It probably will not be cost competitive with Falcon 9, as there's little to zero parts commonality between the first and second stages, and they have a low volume run of first stages planned.

>>16825573
>The second stage is and shall likewise remain expendable.
They will also never hit significant reuse numbers on the first stage. Carbon fiber is just too fickle of a material.

>>16825573
It's gonna ass fuck starshit

>>16825591
>Higher cost
>Smaller payload

Sure thing Jan. That's how you win customers.

>>16825595
Lobbying is how you win the important customer.

>>16825605
Lobbying didn't create Starlink's customer base and revenue stream.

>>16825608
Starlink doesn't count. It's just spacex buying launches from itself.

HOLY FFDUUUUUCCKKK HOW IS THIS NOT FRONT PAGE NEWS? EARTH HAS TWO MOONS NOW

>>16825611
Of course it counts, Starlink generates more revenue for its connectivity services than Launch does.

>>16825613
>buzz llm

>>16825613
@grok how much delda we to land on second moon?

Sucking a penis right now

>>16825630
PROOF?

>>16825634
Look down

Best-month Δv to “land” on 2025 PN7 (≤2000 chars)

Given: [math]a\approx1.003,\text{AU}[/math], [math]e\approx0.108[/math], best case at [math]r=1,\text{AU}[/math]; 200 km circular LEO.

1) True anomaly at [math]r=1,\text{AU}[/math] [eqn] r=\frac{a(1-e^2)}{1+e\cos\nu}=1\Rightarrow \cos\nu=\frac{a(1-e^2)-1}{e}\approx-0.080546. [/eqn] [math]\nu\approx94.62^\circ[/math] or [math]265.38^\circ[/math].

2) Speeds at 1 AU (vis-viva) [eqn] v=\sqrt{\mu_\odot!\left(\frac{2}{r}-\frac{1}{a}\right)}. [/eqn] [math]v_\oplus\approx29.7847[/math] km/s, [math]v_a\approx29.8292[/math] km/s.

3) Flight-path angle, components [eqn] \tan\gamma=\frac{e\sin\nu}{1+e\cos\nu}\Rightarrow \gamma\approx\pm6.1977^\circ. [/eqn] [eqn] v_{t,a}=v_a\cos\gamma\approx29.6549,\quad v_{r,a}=v_a\sin\gamma\approx\pm3.2203\ \text{km/s}. [/eqn]

4) Earth-relative [math]v_\infty[/math] [eqn] v_\infty=\sqrt{(v_{t,a}-v_{t,\oplus})^2+(v_{r,a}-0)^2} \approx\sqrt{(-0.1298)^2+(3.2203)^2} \approx \boxed{3.223\ \text{km/s}}. [/eqn]

5) LEOhyperbolic Δv (200 km LEO) [eqn] v_c=\sqrt{\mu_E/r_{\text{LEO}}}\approx7.7843,\quad v_{\text{esc}}=\sqrt{2},v_c\approx11.0086\ \text{km/s}. [/eqn] [eqn] \Delta v=\sqrt{v_{\text{esc}}^2+v_\infty^2}-v_c \approx\sqrt{(11.0086)^2+(3.223)^2}-7.7843 \approx \boxed{3.686\ \text{km/s}}. [/eqn]

6) Touchdown (from station-keeping) [eqn] v_{\text{esc,surf}}=\sqrt{\frac{8\pi G}{3},\rho,R^2},\ \ R=D/2. [/eqn] With [math]D\sim19\text{–}36,\text{m}[/math], [math]\rho\sim1500\text{–}3000,\text{kg/m}^3[/math]: [eqn] v_{\text{esc,surf}}\approx0.009\text{–}0.023\ \text{m/s}\ (\ll1\ \text{m/s}). [/eqn]

Summary [eqn]\boxed{\Delta v_{\text{LEO}\to\text{rendezvous}}\approx3.69\ \text{km/s}},\quad \boxed{\Delta v_{\text{touchdown}}\approx0.01\text{–}0.03\ \text{m/s}}.[/eqn]

>>16825608
Starshield is by far Starlink's largest revenue source.

>>16825661
Starshield is maybe 20% of SpaceX's orbital constellations revenue, and likely less.

>>16825135
>Zucque
The maymays write themselves these days

>>16825591
It's gonna assfuck the company that made it

>>16825616
>em dash
>rhetorical question
>ending statement
bros...

>>16825670
I hate that em dashes became associated with LLMs, I use them all the damn time
alt-0151, my beloved

>>16825661
>>16825661
>He's just making things up now

This is getting sad Rocket Lab fag.

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1981530470358950277
>Radiative cooling rising as T^4 really favors higher operating temperatures.
>Ultimately, solar-powered AI satellites are the only way to achieve a Kardashev-II civilization

so spacex is going to buy globalstar?
https://appleinsider.com/articles/25/10/23/no-one-even-apple-may-be-able-to-resist-elon-musks-starlink

>Globalstar, Inc. is an American telecommunications company that operates a satellite constellation in low Earth orbit (LEO) for satellite phone, low-speed data transmission and Earth observation. The Globalstar second-generation constellation consists of 25 satellites.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globalstar

the company needs a buyer and the choices are between apple and spacex, but apple doesnt want to buy due to regulatory issues, so that leaves spacex...and by buying globalstar spacex will lock in the iOS market for starlink. starlink is also able to support iOS now.

>>16825697
no one wants to touch that shit
you would have to fire literally everyone that works at it or it would poison your company

>>16825661
>Starshield is by far Starlink's largest revenue source! It just is okay!

May we see your numbers?

spehs

>>16825703
They would be buying it for spectrum
And firing people is really not a problem for Musk if you hadn't noticed
He doesn't give a single fuck

>>16825708
falcon heavy was such a huge waste of time and money

>>16825703
>No! You can't fire L. Barbee Ponder IV! You just can't!

>>16825714
FH is a parts bin rocket. Cheap way to extend the product offerings and grab some juicy Federal contracts.

>>16825547
>monster kills people too near
>another guy sees that and decides to get near it instead of firing at a distance
No matter the time movies always need to make their characters act like idiots.

I wonder how big terrorists and wannabe massmurders will be a problem for a Mars colony. If you want to kill thousends of people in future, the best way is probably to go to Mars as a skilled blue collar worker and destroy essential life support systems and infastructure. Maybe thats why Elon Musk created Neuralink, not too be on paar with AI but to make sure with mind supervision/control that no Mars settler lashes out.

>https://x.com/tukuurufuru/status/1981383231095312894
Clear anime has dropped

>>16825729
This is how the Mechanicus will come about. Life on Mars will require integration with machinery from the very start.

>>16825732
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3n7eNFj_9Vk

>>16825591
It ain't gonna assfuck anything. It's a replacement for Antares.

>>16825731
>"Battery is dead" song
how did she manage to avoid referencing Rocket Lab's Electron?
(I do agree though, Clear is the real Blue Origin)

>>16825641
>useful and appropriate MathML
>In my /sfg/?
you've brightened my morning, anon. Did you really compose all that, or was it grabbed from somewhere?

>>16825754
It is the work of ChatGPT.

>>16825135
>shorter but thicker
Is what women say true or are chinks just coping?

>>16825672
shift-option-minus baybee
—————————————

when were we supposed to get earth 2 earth again? 2030?

>>16825694
Hang on, I made that comment in here the other day about space data centers.
Does Musky actually browse /sfg/?
Very coincidental.

He certainly has some shitposting abilities but I'm not sure if that's just from years of xitter at this point.

>>16825729
People have to deal with that everywhere remote though.
Some doompilled made another thread about it comparing it to Antarctica madness and honestly that could happen anywhere. Despite what some people think they can't just come get you a lot of the time there and you're all your own.
Know retards who've done rotations at the Australia Antarctic Division

>>16825781
*doompiller

>>16825779
>pic
What an absurd creature

>>16825546
>>16825547
I should also add the classic movie "Nebo Zovyot"
(The Sky Beckons) from 1959.

HOW is reflect orbital still a thing. HOW are investors so fucking stupid. HOW am I not rich in such an environment.

>>16825807
>HOW is reflect orbital still a thing.
The anti groundbased telescope lobby is strong.

>>16825591
You should not get emotionally attached to your investments. It makes you irrational.

>>16825223
>>16825230

>>16825710
>staring up at the stars in wilderness zone 4
>Amazon Prime advertisement fills my vision as Bezos VI's personal villa passes overhead

>>16825729
This is solved by redundancy. Probably can't allow guns though. Just one bullet turns a gun into a "kill everyone in this region" button

When a normalfag asks you what the point of colonizing Mars is, what do you tell them? And what is the reason you actually think but don't tell the uninitiated?

>>16825823
It's cool

>>16825823
Call them a nigger and move on. Normgroids are not worth conversing with.

>>16825823
Depends on the recipient. If it's a hippy lib, I tell them that Mars has no oil or trees, which means that Mars colonization will force billionaires to spend their money figuring out technology that will inevitably help Earth stop exploitng the environment and producing carbon. If it's a boomer who's otherwise against government spending, I tell them the government may have very little to do with it, or that China is trying to get there first. What I actually think is that the cost of travel alone will make it the greatest eugenics project the species has ever seen and the cost of shipping may make it possible to separate entirely from the banking regime currently ruling over the Earth. Also >>16825825

>>16825823
Someone whos soul is held down by gravity will never understand, so what's the point?

>>16825814
That poor 5090 is getting a workout eh?

>>16825823
>Wow anon, you're so knowledgeable about Mars colonization. I have to ask though, why do you think we should?
>Nigger! Geez grandma, you're such a normgroid. Would you please pass the mashed potatoes

>>16825834
Given how busy this general gets on holidays, this may not be that far off

>>16825832
We live in a world of markets and democracy, many decisions are made collectively. Convincing people to share your stance might be useful.

>>16825781
Self-destructive sabotage by a sleeper agent seems to be pretty rare. Practically anyone could torch the fuel stores in the south pole station in the winter and fuck things up majorly. What about all the wars were drafted sailors could try to sink their ships by flooding or setting off the magazine.
I think that the long infiltration times required are not conducive to getting someone to sacrifice themselves.

But yeah redundancy and compartmentalization is the answer.

>>16825839
>normies have agency
ngmi

>>16825839
we live in a world of oligarchy and false democracies.
"people" (normies) generally do not have any idea what they are actually voting for and most probably don't even know their government even works. They just listen to the talking heads on the shiny brick and do what they are told.

>>16825848
It's probably gonna be less than 5 years, if theres one thing the chinese are good at it's scaling production.

>>16825848
ELMO ON DAMAGE CONTROL.
SPAYSEX IS SINKING.
FARTSHIT WILL NEVER WORK.

What if Raptor 3 won't work?

>>16825864
it already "works". They've demonstrated first stage reuse. The question isn't whether or not it works it's whether or not it bring cost to orbit down below 100$/kg

https://x.com/CNSpaceflight/status/1981724150545936785
>The Long March 2F Y21 rocket, carrying the Shenzhou-21 crewed spacecraft, has been rolled out to the launch pad. Liftoff is scheduled for October 31st.

>>16825872
It looks asian.

>>16825868
What's the most efficient way of packing a human so we can really take advantage of the kg costs?

NEW WAI JUST DROPPED!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1m2z_z98Jv4

there should be ton of launchers in asia but there's china and a handful of others that launch every now and then

>>16825876
Groyper’s curse be upon this sjw troonchaser

History of spaceflight in 1 chart

>>16825875
It depends on where you are going. If your goal is space tourism to LEO you aren't going to want too many people on the ship because there won't be enough room for everyone to experience the thrill of zeroG. starship habitable volume is around double that of skylab. you wouldn't want more than 50 or so people floating around in that.

https://youtu.be/d1sr6aVzW9M

if you are headed to the moon then you only need supplies for at most 2 days, so you can pack in a lot more people, provided there is already infrastructure and food growing there, otherwise you aren't taking more than a couple people at a time

if you are sending people to mars then you are limited by food and water. It's a 6 month trip and you would have to supply food and water for everyone so you probably won't be taking that many people at all. Feeding a 100 people for 6 months would be very difficult. you really need a cycler with a built in garden for mass transit to mars.

If your destination is a space station then you aren't using starship at all because it's too fucking big.

>>16825888
Flaconbros?

>>16825877
Are there really any viable countries besides China and Japan? Even Japan is on the decline while China is what Gibson thought Japan would be. The rest aren't really that wealthy, maybe Indonesia? But they have no reason to go do space jihad when there's nobody up there yet

>>16825888
now show how many people were sent into space each year by the two launches

>>16825875
Human centipede

>>16825823
Spaceflight is inherently fascist, so why not let all the fascists leave earth and be self-sufficient somewhere else?

You now remember HOPE.

they're forcing stephen to write TDS articles now

>>16825908
The "neutrality" article went to TDS. As expected.

>>16825901
Grok answer. Limitations of Falcon 9 human launches isnt its flight rate, but restrictions imposed by gov because they did not want to hop on the commercial train.

>>16825899
Indonesia has the world's 4th largest population divided up between 17k islands. They've always had a huge interest in satellite communications since it's next to impossible for them to build hardline networks the way normal countries do. They've expressed interest in SpaceX building a low-inclination launch site in Indonesia, but that didn't go anywhere since it'd be hell to ship to and would only be advantageous for GTO/GEO missions which aren't the market they were twenty years ago. They've also given the same invitation to Chinese LSPs, but like the Chinese launch complexes in Oman and Baikonur nothing's come of that.

Indonesia's main problem is that they don't have a domestic aviation or ballistic missile industry, so they don't have a foundation to start building their own launch companies on. I think they'd really like to be a player in the space launch market, but circumstances have doomed them to only being a major customer.

>>16825914
grok can make graphs?

>>16825823
>what do you tell them
You wouldn't get it

>>16825918
Yes, if you ask it.

>>16825920
i just asked it and it gave me some code to try and create a graph with myself

>>16825921
>I'm sorry, but I can't directly generate images. Would you like me to confirm and create an image of the graph comparing Soyuz and Falcon 9 launches using the data provided, or would you prefer a different way to visualize the data, like a detailed text description of the graph?

what am i missing?

>>16825923
You forgot to say "saar" and "thank u"

>>16825921
>Make a chart from this

>>16825823
I give 'em the Elon "make life multiplanetary" speech. Nature has gifted mankind with the intelligence to go from living in caves to exploring the cosmos. How can not spread life to other planets when given such a unique opportunity?

Normies really, really don't care about space though, it's kinda shocking.

>>16825839
>When a normalfag asks you what the point of colonizing Mars is
Just do what all governments do and force them to fund your endeavor. Who cares if they understand the whys, just point the gun and collect taxes from them. The government doesn't try to convince you why it's a good idea to bomb Yemen, do they? They just take your money and do it regardless of what you think.

>>16825823
There needs no justification for anything where its not your money. If others want to do it, let them. If SpaceX wants to colonize Mars and plant SpaceX flags for a SpaceX galactic empire. SpaceX should.

>>16825928
there it is

>>16825937
It was supposed to be peak woke but baseduz launches keep dropping.

NSF poster's SpaceX Only Moon mission:

https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=63305.msg2728576

Makes you miss the Saturn 5.

>>16825937
Dataset is out of date. There have already been 133 Falcon 9 launches this year, with two months left to go. If the annual rates hold, 2025 may be the first year in history with 300 orbital launch attempts.

>>16825937
I wonder what happened in 2022 that caused launches to start dropping like that.

>>16825921
>getting numerical data from an llm
Get the data elsewhere, ask them to process it with graphviz or something, that they can do.

>>16825944
stupid. you can do better with starship

>>16825729
>just mind control chip everyone
Exactly why people wont get brain chip implants other than severely crippled individuals
Ideally, other treatments will be developed that dont need brain chip implants which put u at risk of brain hacks
>>16825888
I hope this is another example of long term logistic growth. It means routine space travel will be available to the average person before I die.
>>16825893
Ive considered the issues with getting to mars. Doing it with chemical rockets which take dozens of launches to fuel up *and* taking 6+ months and hoping nothing life critical at all breaks...yeesh. For mars they need nuclear electric.

Eventually government should just declassify that theyve already got nuclear powered spacecraft so people stop thinking every UAP is an ayylmao.

>>16825944
The start isn't terrible but why would you use a dragon to get the astronauts back onto earth instead of just landing the HLS? That seems like a backup strategy in case the HLS is damaged by debris or something.

>>16825944
It would be janky as shit, but could you do a direct HLS launch to the moon if you used GEM63XL or SLS’s shuttle SRBs thrown on the side of Super Heavy?

>>16825955
>WEF AI

>>16825964
HLS has no heatshield or flaps

>>16825976
What's about the Lunar atmosphere?

>>16825944
>on orbit assembly for no reason
>not just leaving the dragon instead of launching a new one
>"lifeboat tanker" even though you don't need it
this person is a retard

>>16825823
I don't make friends with people who don't want to colonize Mars.

>>16825944
Just do expendable starship if you want to prioritize speed and simplify the architecture. Maybe two expendable starships. Three tops.

>>16825976
seems like a waste but I guess a bespoke design was demanded by NASA.

>>16825820
If that was the case any metorite impact could kill your colony.
Any hole isn't going to deplete the atmosphere so quickly, there is enough time to find the leak and repair it.

>refuel depot 16 times in LEO
>launch HLS
>refuel HLS from depot in LEO
>10km/s in the tank
>launch dragon to LEO
>transfer crew to HLS
>land on moon
>4.3km/s in the tank
>go back to higher earth orbit
>tank empty
>take dragon to higher orbit with reboost trunk
>transfer crew to dragon
>go home

>>16825990
pretty much my thoughts. Dragon never needs to go past LEO and will never need to reach lunar return velocity like Orion. quite frankly we don't need the entire SLS program, orion, gateway, none of it. we can use dragon in the interim until starship can demonstrate reentry from the moon and then we can just use starship for everything.

Why is everyone talking about Dragon? Elon Musk said Starship only.

According to Grok's calculation Starship only needs ~4-6 refuel tankers (200T fuel optimized runs) to go from Earth -> Moon, land and ascent back up to meet with Orion capsule.

Not sure where all those 16 refuel to depot comes from.

>>16825999
>200T fuel optimized runs
starship v3 can't do 200T

>>16825979
The rational for adding a lifeboat section to the tanker is -- you need a tanker anyway. HLS can't hold enough prop to get to the Moon, land, lift off and return to Earth orbit. So, might as well add a few tons of mass for a lifeboat module inside tanker.

>>16825999
It all hinges on the useful reusable payload. That's been up in the air and now it's all going to be elongated.

>>16825999
>I believe AI

Found your mistake.

>>16826005
>HLS can't hold enough prop to get to the Moon, land, lift off and return to Earth orbit
Yes it does. Consult the map.
It can return and then lower its orbit around earth substantially.
Fully fueled HLS has 10km/s of delta-v

>>16825888
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1981736022271471913

>>16825848
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1981724086607708238
>The next Starship launch is version 3, which is radically better than version 2. Then, in a few years, V4 will double the payload of V3.

You know I wonder if the Biden NASA admin saying Starship requires 16+ refuel run is simply saying that off of V1/V2 development Starship limitations and using that as baseline. So it would make sense but I do wonder why they would say that, maybe as PR hit piece?

>>16826016
16 is 1600 / 100
It's not that deep

>>16826017
See V3 numbers

>>16826013
In a few YEARS?

>>16826011
Elon 'order of magnitude' Musk does it again

>>16825886
qrd?

>>16826017
You dont need 100% of the fuel to get the mission done. You only need ~60% to get Artemis III mission done. And ~65% for returning back to Earth. But SpaceX was already floating the idea of using Starship as a Lunar base after the Mission was done either in Orbit or on the Moon itself.

So thats <1000 / 100 = 10 runs with 100 ton.

>>16826013
>Then, in a few years, V4 will double the payload of V3.
12m-diameter bros, are we back?

>>16826022
Yeah HLS is V3 and Mars mission will start with V3. They wanna keep it stable long enough to actually become operational

>>16826010
No. You are confused how this works:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VECrkp-QEaY

You will refuse to believe that and will scream and kick, but you are wrong.

V4 is manned starship

>>16826022
V3 will be the first operational starship block, they need to actually start launching starlinks. do HLS, maybe get a few ships to mars, get the towers up in the cape and then start launching actual mass to orbit
then a few years down the line make a bigger version yet again, but this time keep launching stuff from the cape with and use boca chica for development tests again (at this point the cape will have its own factory already)

>>16826031
no, v3 is
HLS is going to be based on V3

>>16826025
And further, when Starship is parked at LEO, it wont be 0% fuel either, there will be ~200-300t fuel left. So they would only need ~8 refuels with 100T fueling payload capacity. If its 200T payload, thats only launch needed to fully do the Human mission.

Launch Depot Starship (it would be up months in advance)
Launch Tanker to fuel up Depot 4 times to get (depot would be up months/weeks in advance) 800 ton of fuel
Launch HLS Starship
Park in Orbit
Refuel 1 time from Depot
Fly to NRHO
Transfer crew
Descent to Moon
Ascent to NRHO
Fly to Earth

Mission profile

>>16826030
no watching that

>>16826030
>Can't articulate his argument himself

>>16826022
V4 is just an elongated V3. Add more ring sections. Voila: V4. It's not hard

>>16825120
>continuous thrust to maintain altitude
He doesn't know

>>16826035
thats just a prototype though. nobody flew on dragon until nasa tested it out first.

>>16826037
May we see your evidence that Starship will have 300 tons of unallocated prop remaining after achieving orbit?

hit piece of the day

https://archive ph/she36
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-10-24/as-trump-defunds-nasa-elon-musk-s-spacex-runs-on-borrowed-science?

>>16826060
Not really a hit piece unless I’m mistaken here, sounds to me like this is worded as
>NASA helped seed early SpaceX, reducing NASA’s budget threatens future successes if NASA can’t help the little guys grow

>>16825833
>image
Is she becoming a power pole or what?

>>16825848
If China reaches even 20% of what starship can do that would still be a major achievement. With in-space manufacturing and moon colonies with in that

>>16826064
It's a joke about a meme pic

>>16826035
HLS isn't going to land on Urf, nor is it going to take humans up from Urf.

>>16825221
Are you a retard? F9 gets sooty becaue of Kerosene.

>>16826057
I think the kittens are so cute they are ugly, in uncanny valley sort of way
and they give me the AI slop vibes

the little green men were perfect, too bad KSP2 was a complete scam

>>16826016
Why are so many people here such braindead spastics?
Do the calculations yourself.
NASA was working off the advertised baseline of 100T per flight. If they worked off the real V1 performance figures it would take 90+ flights to refuel a signle tanker...

>>16826057
>>16826086
I still think it should've been Tard Space Agency. One because tardigrades are cute and based and are actually tangentially related to space, and two because the name would make all the troons fuck off for good.

Hooker Space Agency.

>>16826086
Kerbals were good, the joke was that they were the little green men of science fiction, yet they were retards. Using kittens just ruins the larp and is pure reddit.

imagine if every starlink was a space station

>>16825754
"≤2000 chars" is a clue

>>16826060
>>16826062
wouldn't it really depend on how many successes there are to how much was spent overall?

>>16825444
The country is Sweden, which has a land area of over 400,000km^2. It is about the size of California. In fact, it has a lower population density (26/km^2) than the US (37/km^2).

>>16826086
KSP1's modding community has already fleshed out the game as much as possible, I don't know why we need a KSP3 or even a KSP2. They are trying too hard to be Kerbal it comes off as extremely reddit instead of based

>Commie block has a dogshit 5g coverage
>neighbors object adding a starlink receiver to my outside wall

How will Musk fix this?

>>16826109
starlink receiver hat

>>16826109
do it anyway

>>16826108
>They are trying too hard to be Kerbal
Aren't some people who worked on KSP working on KSA? In either case, yes, that's the point. KSP2 was a total failure, so someone else is trying to do what it promised, except they don't have the rights to the brand.

>>16826116
Yes but what does KSA offer that can't be done in KSP? There's no point. Nobody asked for a sequel, nobody needs one

>>16826108
KSP has a multitude of problems and without a solid core, gameplay additions like interstellar and colonies through mods are just patchwork at best. If that gameplay can be solidified in the base game then it surpasses KSP.

>>16826118
Retard KSP is aged as shit and modding is not a solution to lacking gameplay. Just kill yourself if you're going to be a retard.

>>16826109
Why do you need to consult your neighbors to install a satellite dish?

>>16826118
It's not made in Unity, for one, which is a massive boon in an of itself. And like I said, they want to deliver on what KSP2 promised, which is base building and interstellar travel.
>Nobody asked for a sequel, nobody needs one
No, YOU didn't ask for a sequel.

>>16826123
Permanent modifications to outside walls need a permit.

>>16826108
if you have spent time with ksp you would know how janky it is. a complete rebuild that includes a lot of the good ideas from popular mods, except incorporated from the start, is a worthwhile objective despite what happened to KSP2.

>>16826125
>permanent.
get the portable starlink then it won't technically be "permanent"

>>16826086
>>16826057
Going with cute kittens will end up being a huge mistake, one of the reasons KSP was so successful is that you don't care if you kill kerbals. A significant portion of KSA's playerbase will be hyper risk adverse.

>>16826119
>>16826121
I can already do all these things though

>>16826123
>>16826127
>janky
Literally never had problems with it on my machine even with interstellar-style mods installed

>>16826105
>The country is Sweden, which has a land area of over 400,000km^2

The vast majority of Swedens population (a meager 10 million) lives in the southernmost quarter.

>>16826109
Some penis-obliterating howitzers parked adjacent to your area could change everybody's minds pretty quickly

>>16825875
Mobik kube.

Does KSAAnon know if KSA will have a substantive campaign?
The whole un from KSP for me was always modding the game to be super difficult and larping as a space company like early SpaceX trying to stay afloat.

>>16826125
Get Starlink
Camouflage it

>>16826134
give them 9 lives

>>16826145
i hope so
if not, KSA is gonna have extensive mod support, so just wait until someone makes one

>>16826086
>saves thumbnail
I genuinely don't understand how someone can be so retarded

>>16826145
it should be more substantial then ksp. granted that doesn't say much.

>>16826138
Yes. The point was that the country has 90% cell coverage by area, despite the low population density. The fact that large parts of Sweden have very low population density just strengthens the point further

>>16826138
>a meager 10 million
starlink has only ~7m customers and is raking in billions.

if they can capture the global rural demand for internet it would rake in 10s of billions maybe even hundreds of billions a year.
Yes I know this has little to do with your post or reply chain.

>>16825734
Rio West apartments, located along the road between masseys test facility and starfactory

>>16826176
commercial buildings on the right (shops I guess)
plot for restaraunt being worked on on the left

>>16826176
>that algae infested water
oh man the mosquitos are going to be BITING

>>16826181
they should tear down MB1 ad put another gigabay there

>>16825823
to drive technological development mainly
if humans don't advance, they will stagnate and die

>>16826181
The land owner of the private land should place gigantic Thunderf00t statue on his land.

>>16826179
From their point view they see a retarded gay monkey infested continent next to them

>>16826168
Sweden has 90%+ coverage of the population, not land area. This is beside the point that Sweden is not a large country.

>>16826193
He already sold it to SeX after a ludicrous offer iirc

>>16826197
if thats true, why hasn't spacex concreted it over? more storage space is useful

>>16826197
if it were me I would have asked for stock in tesla and starlink/spaceX

>>16826201
It's the graveyard for Musk's enemies.

>>16826208
the future site of thunderfoot's gravestone no doubt

>>16826208
Could they please add an AI cringe filter to his account so he stops posting that shit? He's the loudmouth kid on the playground that kept saying he wanted to fight everyone until the day someone took him up on his offer. He needs someone to take him up on his offer and beat the cringe out of him.

>>16826151
KSP itself never got a good campaign, so if they donlt bake at leasst a good campaign framework into KSA it's DOA.

>>16826109
In the US the FCC overruled the HOA karens and nimby retards on this. About the only useful thing that agency ever did.

>>16826224
/sci/ plays /vst/ shortly for those inclined to watch

>>16826234
I feel like this happens every month now, am I going crazy?

When is the next Beulah, Grok?

>>16825823
>it's 2078
>migrate to mars on a worker visa.
>earth is going to shit anyway, cant even goon anymore without goverment permission.
>first night at mars living in your cheap housing unit in von braun city.
>feel restless, go out to have a drink at a local bar named olympus mons.
>you go up to the bar and have a drink
>a local martian woman, tall as fuck because of the low G, walks up to you and smacks your ass.
>tells you they dont need more earther manlet universal basic income babies here.
>what do you do?

>>16826057
Reddit, the game

>>16826221
>He's the loudmouth kid on the playground that kept saying he wanted to fight everyone until the day someone took him up on his offer
He was that exact kid in South Africa.

>>16826259
The kittens make everyone seethe

what do we do if the gravity on mars isnt enough for human life?

>>16826275
We station humans up in LEO for extended periods of time and they are fine with a persistent exercise regiment. Mars will be fine. And if it turns out lower gravity is incompatible with human conception and gestation? Women will sit in the spin pods for 9 months. The soviets already tried this, they built an entire laboratory that spun sideways here on earth and could simulate
Though personally I am hopefully optimistic that it will serendipitously work out fine. Remember when we first put man in space and were worried it might be impossible to breathe and swallow and have normal bowel movements? Space is our future, God designed the human body to conquer His universe

>>16826234
>>16826238
yeah wtf, "board culture" my ass, it's always been cringe, take it to /v/ or /sp/ where they can cringe along with you

>>16826243
trump is just too powerful, all the storms keep turning away back into the atlantic

>>16826275
Accept the O'Neill's superior way of life.

>>16826221
he's literally been hospitalized when he was beaten by another kid, and it looks like he got punched in the whitehouse before his departure. I agree with your criticism and it's spot on, but you are a small person that thinks you can just assault the richest man in the world that will remain one of the most powerful people to ever live in his time and is giving objectively correct advice not to become his enemy. YOU are also that kid on the playground, your arrogance just takes the form of spectator complaints and you wish someone to use force in your stead. Quit being a bitch.

>>16826277
>and they are fine
Not really.
The fluid build up in different places in the human body in zero G is a actual problem and recent research has even shown that the damage of fluid build up in the eyes doesnt go away after returning to earth.
At this point it's obvious that astronauts who spend multiple years in zero G will get some kind of vision loss, maybe even go blind.
There is also a working theory that the nasa type training on the ISS actually even induces the build up of fluids compared to the cosmonaut training regime because the stats show that cosmonauts have less fluild build up then astronauts.

>>16826288
Imagine if Venus was conductive to a human surface landing. Even 150... 200° F. So much land to work with.

>https://x.com/Forbes/status/1981828437473214936
Isaacman renomination incoming

>>16826221
He did that with Zuckerberg and then backed out. He also tried to pick a fight with Johnny Depp over an insane woman but chickened out when Micky Rourke stepped in.
>>16826273
Yeah, sounds like now that he's wealthy, he's trying to find ways to mentally paste over all of that by being able to get away with running his mouth pretending to be physically strong and skilled at fighting. He should take the Justin Trudeau approach and pay someone at a fighting gym to take a dive so he can feel powerful. Calling people out for fights and then chickening out just reinforces those childhood memories. The shit with Zuckerberg pretty much sealed his fate to always be seen as a loudmouth chickenshit.

>>16826292
There's also the issue that simulated gravity probably isn't the same as real gravity, and orbital free fall likely isn't the same as low gravity. We won't truly know for sure until we have people spending extended amounts of time in low to no gravity situations instead of LEO simulations.

>>16826275
There could be easy countermeasures.
For now the (real) objective is to build a permanent outpost, time will tell how far we can go from there.

>>16826234
@grokker
ol timey bike lady washing the plane

>>16826309
>simulated gravity probably isn't the same as real gravity
In that case we would to have to rewrite the laws of physics.

>>16826275
Eugenics

https://www.airandspaceforces.com/space-force-plans-905m-maneuverable-geo/
>The Space Force expects to award $905 million in contracts over the next five years through a new Maneuverable GEO program, which aims to form a commercial fleet of communication satellites that can shift around in geosynchronous orbit.

The projection is part of the Commercial Satellite Communications Office’s fiscal 2026 forecast to industry, an annual document that lays out requirements and contract opportunities within CSCO, which is responsible for procuring commercial SATCOM for the entire military.

>>16826275
just add more mass

>>16826221
>>16826308
>here is my faggoty psycho analysis of a 2 year old tweet

>all this news about satellite maneuverability, sat-2-sat missiles, military constellations, etc
We are probably 5-10 years away from having some crazy shit in orbit.

>>16826337
>We are probably 5-10 years away from having some publicly acknowledged crazy shit in orbit.
ftfy

zubrin

is my dad

dy

It's kind of kawaii

>>16826363
Toyota Runah Cruisah

>>16826352
imagine the smell

>>16826371
He's still stuck on Ukraine isnt he? lmao

>>16826384
Literally destroyed his mind. But oh, well. I still like him, in spite of his EDS. Though, his case made realize that I can't just cancel every single person out there that dislikes Musk, otherwise you guys would be the only people I'd speak to.

>>16826403
Its easy. If he's not contributing to Mars, he's worthless. He's not contributing.

>>16826412
He did inspire Elon before and in the early stages of SpaceX, that's gotta count for something.

What does /sfg/ thing of High Frontier 4 All?

>>16826275
skin tight weighted suits

>>16826363
Do they drive like shit on the Moon too?

>>16826423
yeah, that doesn't solve the problem.

I heckin love old scifi

>>16826363
Nice, let's see ISRO's design

>>16826440
not seeing any bike ladies disappointed.

>>16826415
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PK0kTcJFnVk

>>16826327
geosats already move around though?

>>16826454
uh, no, they are geo STATIONARY

https://youtu.be/Cu16K_AMuaY

new negrokino

>>16826275
o'neil cylinders... on ice

How come Xitter doesn't translate posts anymore? Answer me Elon, I know you're here.

>>16826363
>JAXA
Cuckoldry, the space agency

>>16826309
>that simulated gravity probably isn't the same as real gravity
It's exactly the same except for the coriolis effect.
>and orbital free fall likely isn't the same as low gravity
It's exactly the same.

>>16826476
Except they're going to be doing what NASA/Soviets should've done decades ago.

>>16826064
holy fuck look at the newfag lol lmao

>>16826152
nigger, it's literally the first result of "AI slop mcd cat"
I'm not going to dig for the full resolution one through all that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cu16K_AMuaY
>What Makes Starship's Water Deluge System So Unique??

BLACK CSI MAN NEW VIDEO

>>16826531
>Why don't you all appreciate my zero effort posts! Abloo!

>>16826086
>they give me the AI slop vibes
Anon you do know that is real right? Chinese McDonalds is on another level.

>>16826447
I love Zubrin so much, he seems so huggable, I assume simply being in his presence is like a being in a field of fresh lavender and daises, while little birds chirp about and small mammals frolic on the edges in the underbrush

>>16826538
>redpill me on this not being gorilla marketing

"Hey Hey!"

>>16826028
If only.

>>16826257
Pick her up and toss her over my shoulder using my full-g musculature.

>>16826447
There is something unparalleled by the kino of these early day.

Starlink Vending Machines

>>16826621
but why?

>>16826352
I'm happy for you anon

you will never be a spacefaring civilization!
you have no rockets, you have no Delta V
your mind is twisted by NASA cgi and propaganda into a mockery of space's perfection.
You put a forced smile on everyday and tell yourself that your "warp drive" or "M drive" theories are real and will eventually take you to the stars, yet you can't explain what this "negative-mass" or "space-time continuum" even is.
you put your hopes in this "Elon" elitist guy, yet you have to ask yourself "who would name their son a hebrew word, I wonder?"
there is no incentive for humans to go to space, no profit, no scientific objective that has any application for us. Even if you somehow made it to the moon or mars, you would have to live underground in tunnels like newyork chabbad. There will never be sci-fi greenhouse domes, because of radiation and meteoroids. And then, one day, you will take a walk out of that airlock with no suit. Your crew will be shocked but relieved, they don't have to share space bug-paste rations with you anymore.

>>16826537
>>16826551
>oh neat is he talking about the new pad 2 launch mount?
>nope, its the Massey's pad
>and its mostly talking about drilling, concrete, and water tables

>>16826648
skip over the first half, the second half about the cryogenic driven deluge system is more interesting

>>16826562
he's a complete madman, invented the NSWR

>>16826658
NSWR is gigabased, can be built today and is the simplest way to get a torch drive

>>16826665
We could be jet setting all across the solar system right now if we weren't pussies afraid a little radiation

ELONG MULCH

>>16826666
thank you, Satan, very cool

>>16826666
America has an obligation to build a handful of Medusa ships. Between those and the use of Starships to go up and down gravity wells, we could colonize the entire solar system

>>16826648
That's another episode

another glorious dawn for SpaceX

>>16826698
A still more glorious dawn awaits

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LyT4ZvhG9g
Soon

why's it so slow today?

>>16826707
I just discovered there is a romcom set in a university rocketry club, though it is mostly about vlogging to promote it.

I wonder if Clear has ever heard of it.

>>16826707
Kidnapping Clear from Tanegashima

>>16825710
What was the size and distance of this, again?

>>16826208
>When you were partying, I studied the rocket
>When you were launching hypergolics, I mastered reusability
>While you wasted your days lobbying in pursuit of cost plus contracts, I cultivated methane engines
>And now that the world is on fire and the barbarians are at the gate you have the audacity to come to me for launches?

3 grid fins is going to V3's V2, isn't it?

New Kyslop just dropped

https://youtu.be/p3XztWvqMUw

didnt' ask

>>16826820
>>16826821
the annual japanese launch is upon us bros

>>16826803
this guy is a sfg legend.

we all love kyplanet.

How close is Nova to flying?

>>16826865
no va

>>16826825
I'm still pining for Epsilon. I hope they work out their new motor problems and finally get a good static fire.

https://x.com/TurkeyBeaver/status/1982140701165949002

135 launches on 2025. And still 2 more months and 1 more week left.

If they're going at 3.5 per week, and 9 weeks left, thats another 31 launch to be added.

135+31 = 166 launch 2025.

>>16826865
14 days

https://x.com/michaelnicollsx/status/1982101090675069344
>Significant improvements in @starlink
network performance in 2025, with median peak-hour network-wide speeds increasing by over 50%. Typical download speeds are over 200 Mbps, typical upload speeds are over 30 Mbps, and median global latency is around 26 ms.

>>16826887
https://x.com/michaelnicollsx/status/1982123188373901467

>>16826887
I can confirm. Also I just got the highest upload speed ever with 45Mbps. Previously, I'd hover around ~15-20Mbps. And my download speeds peak at 350Mbps with lows ~100Mbps during heavy usage. Lowest I've seen is 30Mbps that was during heavy rain/thunderstom a while ago. So they're really upgrading their sats.

On Gen3 flat dish with partial obstruction.

>>16826874
jajaj, nice one, amigo.

>>16826896
I got 1.8 Mbps, because I'm on a ship.

>>16826909
Shared by couple hundred people? Get the ship operator to add more Starlink capacity. Ez

>>16826890
what are they using to create graphs

It's over...

Babe wake up, new SDI kino just dropped.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4dYA5Kvn4E

>>16826932
sdi is how the big contractors funded the secret dorito arv program

>>16826922
I can't believe it...
SpaceX lost.

I can't believe it. a whole thread with no bike booty. he must have been banned

>>16826989
And that's a good thing.

>>16826989
NO YOU FOOL. YOU HAVE SUMMONED HIM.

>>16826989
forced meme

>>16826991
I need my fix man.

big jiggly booties

>>16826989
>>16826994
who can say

Her admiration for science and space exploration led to decades of involvement with NASA, including appearances at launches and milestone events. In 2009, she joined astronauts Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin at the 40th anniversary celebration of the moon landing in Washington, D.C.

NASA recognized Lockhart’s influence with the Exceptional Public Achievement Medal at JPL in Pasadena, an honor reserved for non-government individuals who make significant public contributions to the agency’s mission.

"I hate Elon Musk. I'm also Trans -- if that matters."

>>16826259
This is actually addressed in the video. I'm confused by this. I get that Kerbals are iconic, but this is a game about space rockets. The only difference is that you'll see a little cat in the corner of your screen instead of a little green man. That's all. Such a strange thing to get fixated on.

>>16827019
Tar and feather and denaturalize journalists I'm not even kidding

>>16827019
>"success"
lol

Will's entire life is screaming about how much he hates Elon. Every single day. Makes you wonder what he did before Musk became a public figure:

https://muckrack.com/will-lockett/articles

>>16827034
>United Kingdom
lmao

>>16827034
Worst personality archetype

Qria!

>>16827037
brits love to make cynicism their personality

>>16827043
the opposite comes across as either extremely gay or eccentric so there is little choice

Clear Live!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOg0h0OxWeo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOg0h0OxWeo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOg0h0OxWeo

>>16827052
bikeguy do your stuff

>>16827048
curse of the accent I guess

Ria in the payload!
https://humans-in-space.jaxa.jp/htv/mission/htv-x1/presskit/JAXA_htv-x1_presskit.pdf#page=25

"Of course the big question that everyone's asking here is, what about those split-crotch parities? Are they going to be unobtainable throughout the Universe or merely on Algon itself?. Professor?"

>>16827063
beautiful. This is the most powerful H3 configuration launched so far, right? Sounds like HTV-X is much more capable too, from 4 to 6 tons of cargo and better solar panels.

>>16827083
Yup

count lady

THE JAPANESE YELLING HAS BEGUN

>>16827095
tracking shot sucks and the countdown lady needs to shut the fuck up

>>16827071
VTuber payload?

cool https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3jNlIBKZBo

>>16827096
It was a crowdfunding campaign to send vtuber stuff up and then do a livestream from the kibo module later.
https://ssc.sorae.info/projects/oshi

Huge day if you're japanese and autistic

CLEAR IS CRYING

TEARS OF JOY

>>16827108
wow that's literally me (honorary)

>>16827111
Very honorable, glorious mitsubishi heavy industry W

I will have ramen in celebration

>>16827112
I meant it endearingly lol I imagine the JAXA native fans are probably dedicated to following every inch of japanese spaceflight and this is a big mission

All I care about is the inevitable anime bike girl that will come out of this

I will goon to anime in celebration