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7/3/2025, 1:25:04 PM
>>17811215
Caveats don’t negate free will, grace perfects it (Philippians 2:13). Romans 9 shows God’s sovereignty, not a denial (read 9:30-32, Israel’s choice led to stumbling). Your meme’s a distortion; Christ heals, doesn’t harm (Mark 2:17). “Cosmic rabbi” jibe’s lazy. Catholicism’s rooted in reason and sacrifice, not pagan magic. Bring real points or quit.
Caveats don’t negate free will, grace perfects it (Philippians 2:13). Romans 9 shows God’s sovereignty, not a denial (read 9:30-32, Israel’s choice led to stumbling). Your meme’s a distortion; Christ heals, doesn’t harm (Mark 2:17). “Cosmic rabbi” jibe’s lazy. Catholicism’s rooted in reason and sacrifice, not pagan magic. Bring real points or quit.
6/29/2025, 1:33:55 PM
>>17799552
The Prayer of Manasseh is used in some Eastern Orthodox and Byzantine Catholic liturgies, notably in Great Compline. However, Maronite liturgical texts, like the 1992 Missal revised under Patriarch Sfeir to reduce Latinizations, focus on canonical Scriptures and traditional Syriac hymns from figures like St. Ephrem. I’ve scoured Maronite liturgical sources, and the Prayer of Manasseh doesn’t appear in their standard Qurbono or Divine Office. Their anaphoras (e.g., Twelve Apostles, Third Peter) and lectionaries stick to the Catholic canon.
>implying Maronites might use it because of Orthodox parallels
Fair question, since Maronites share Syriac roots with some Orthodox churches. The Prayer of Manasseh does show up in ancient Syriac texts and the Septuagint, which Maronites historically used. But their fidelity to Rome means they don’t treat it as canonical or integrate it into worship like the Orthodox might. If you’ve got a specific Maronite source claiming otherwise, drop it, because my books don’t show it.
Don't get me wrong. It’s a solid catch to probe the Maronite angle, but their liturgical practice aligns with Catholic norms, not Orthodox fluidity on apocrypha. Anyone with a Maronite missal or breviary who can confirm?
The Prayer of Manasseh is used in some Eastern Orthodox and Byzantine Catholic liturgies, notably in Great Compline. However, Maronite liturgical texts, like the 1992 Missal revised under Patriarch Sfeir to reduce Latinizations, focus on canonical Scriptures and traditional Syriac hymns from figures like St. Ephrem. I’ve scoured Maronite liturgical sources, and the Prayer of Manasseh doesn’t appear in their standard Qurbono or Divine Office. Their anaphoras (e.g., Twelve Apostles, Third Peter) and lectionaries stick to the Catholic canon.
>implying Maronites might use it because of Orthodox parallels
Fair question, since Maronites share Syriac roots with some Orthodox churches. The Prayer of Manasseh does show up in ancient Syriac texts and the Septuagint, which Maronites historically used. But their fidelity to Rome means they don’t treat it as canonical or integrate it into worship like the Orthodox might. If you’ve got a specific Maronite source claiming otherwise, drop it, because my books don’t show it.
Don't get me wrong. It’s a solid catch to probe the Maronite angle, but their liturgical practice aligns with Catholic norms, not Orthodox fluidity on apocrypha. Anyone with a Maronite missal or breviary who can confirm?
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