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7) dialectics: ralph described ice magick as "the dialectical fundamental critique of both conventional magic and the commonly prevailing narrative of human reality". by this he may have been thinking of something akin to hegel's "labor of the negative". the whole practice involves a progressive questioning of things until they can not be questioned anymore, and this questioning is applied to all aspects of reality to the point that this mode of thought becomes perfectly natural to the practitioner

some general remarks are in order:
1) in a forum someone by name of helmut II was shitposting about the alleged techniques of ice magick (https://web.archive.org/web/20171014204924/https://www.occultforum.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=16917). based off of my readings of the thinking of ralph, helmut, and helmut's other students, i can only conclude that this is bs. by extension, the alleged "ice magic reconstruction" (https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/28097099/#28102922) which appears based on the remarks from this forum seems to be largely bs. with that said, there are some ideas still worth salvaging i.e. "ice aura", "control", and "expulsion" but these ideas need to be integrated into a larger perspective