>>76335421
You've already admitted you're a skinny fat (fat) idiot, so how would you know? YOu're coping because your dream is to be fit-lean and think you'll look nice and big in shirts. You won't. Put a medium shirt on that guy, he looks small. Put him in a short sleeve button down shirt, he looks small.

Post body, that's me and how I know firsthand

>>508060352
It COULD be done naturally under perfect conditions - peak pump, maximum vascularity supps like l-citruline, lighting, angles, 7+ years of optimal dieting and lifting

Since we know Efron is currently a roiding fraud, and grew up as a skinny twink - he is certainly roiding in that pic

Pic is me natty under pretty optimal conditions and I don't have the muscle density or size as him