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6/22/2025, 12:10:31 AM
>>95924085
>You're right about UA, but wrong about DSG and WSG: Those books are not by Gygax, they were published after Gygax left TSR, and Gygax had no creative involvement in them.
>Non-Weapon Proficiencies were, however, introduced in Oriental Adventures, which is by Gygax. So yeah, he's responsible for that.
Thank you for the corrections.
>You're right about UA, but wrong about DSG and WSG: Those books are not by Gygax, they were published after Gygax left TSR, and Gygax had no creative involvement in them.
>Non-Weapon Proficiencies were, however, introduced in Oriental Adventures, which is by Gygax. So yeah, he's responsible for that.
Thank you for the corrections.
6/20/2025, 4:42:34 AM
I should know better than to participate in this bullshittery, but here goes.
To some people, namely the vast majority of the users of this thread, the definition of OSR is limited to OD&D, Holmes basic, B/X, AD&D, and the retroclones based on those. It excludes the games that have very seriously changed things from the way they were in those systems, such as Mork Borg. You can call this the strict definition.
In other places on the internet, the majority of the users of those places have decided that their definition of OSR includes all those games, and also games like Castles & Crusades, Shadowdark, Dungeon Crawl Classics, and the farther afield games like Mork Borg. You can call this the loose definition.
Some places include everything that the loose definition includes, plus any "old school feeling" game, whatever that means. You can call this the pants-on-head definition.
When in a space, it is the responsibility of a user to use the definition of OSR that the creators and inhabitants of that space use. To do otherwise would be rude at best.
This thread uses the strict definition. There is nothing wrong with whichever definition you prefer. There are only places where that definition is not welcome, and to insist on it would make you an asshole. It's that simple. One would be just as much of an asshole to go to a place that uses the loose definition and insist that they are wrong and must change to accommodate your desire for them to use the strict definition.
To some people, namely the vast majority of the users of this thread, the definition of OSR is limited to OD&D, Holmes basic, B/X, AD&D, and the retroclones based on those. It excludes the games that have very seriously changed things from the way they were in those systems, such as Mork Borg. You can call this the strict definition.
In other places on the internet, the majority of the users of those places have decided that their definition of OSR includes all those games, and also games like Castles & Crusades, Shadowdark, Dungeon Crawl Classics, and the farther afield games like Mork Borg. You can call this the loose definition.
Some places include everything that the loose definition includes, plus any "old school feeling" game, whatever that means. You can call this the pants-on-head definition.
When in a space, it is the responsibility of a user to use the definition of OSR that the creators and inhabitants of that space use. To do otherwise would be rude at best.
This thread uses the strict definition. There is nothing wrong with whichever definition you prefer. There are only places where that definition is not welcome, and to insist on it would make you an asshole. It's that simple. One would be just as much of an asshole to go to a place that uses the loose definition and insist that they are wrong and must change to accommodate your desire for them to use the strict definition.
6/12/2025, 11:33:21 PM
>>95858283
That song slaps.
That song slaps.
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