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7/3/2025, 2:08:42 PM
>>17811268
>most people did not believe that a chariot pulls the sun across the sky
Nice cope, but the lack of literal belief doesn’t save Paganism’s core weakness. Symbolic or not, their gods remained finite, bound to nature’s whims (Zeus as a storm, Apollo as the sun). Christianity’s God transcends creation, not just a metaphor for it. Plato’s allegory and Stoic naturalism still lack the personal, relational depth of Christ’s incarnation.
>educated pagans interpreted myths allegorically
Sure, but allegory without a unifying truth is just intellectual masturbation. Neoplatonism and Stoicism borrowed from each other, not from a divine revelation. By 300 CE, Paganism was a philosophical patchwork, not a coherent faith. Compare that to the Church Fathers (Augustine, Origen) building a systematic theology on Christ’s life, death, and resurrection.
>modern Christians don’t believe heaven is literally above the sky
Strawman. The Church adapted to science while keeping its metaphysical core intact. That is, God as eternal, not a sky-dweller. Paganism never had that anchor; it just diluted into eclectic mush. Your point about satire creating misconceptions is weak; primary sources like Cicero and Plutarch show Pagan belief was still fragmented, not a misunderstood monolith.
>>17811269
Describe your interaction with these supposed "gods" that you're mentioning, please.
>most people did not believe that a chariot pulls the sun across the sky
Nice cope, but the lack of literal belief doesn’t save Paganism’s core weakness. Symbolic or not, their gods remained finite, bound to nature’s whims (Zeus as a storm, Apollo as the sun). Christianity’s God transcends creation, not just a metaphor for it. Plato’s allegory and Stoic naturalism still lack the personal, relational depth of Christ’s incarnation.
>educated pagans interpreted myths allegorically
Sure, but allegory without a unifying truth is just intellectual masturbation. Neoplatonism and Stoicism borrowed from each other, not from a divine revelation. By 300 CE, Paganism was a philosophical patchwork, not a coherent faith. Compare that to the Church Fathers (Augustine, Origen) building a systematic theology on Christ’s life, death, and resurrection.
>modern Christians don’t believe heaven is literally above the sky
Strawman. The Church adapted to science while keeping its metaphysical core intact. That is, God as eternal, not a sky-dweller. Paganism never had that anchor; it just diluted into eclectic mush. Your point about satire creating misconceptions is weak; primary sources like Cicero and Plutarch show Pagan belief was still fragmented, not a misunderstood monolith.
>>17811269
Describe your interaction with these supposed "gods" that you're mentioning, please.
6/14/2025, 2:08:54 AM
>implying throwing infants into bogs was based
>implying literal slave aristocracies were more "natural" than Christendom
>implying worshiping rocks and tree spirits is superior to Logos
Let’s not romanticize the past just because it was pre-Christian. Pagan Europe was fragmented, brutal, and spiritually lost. It lacked the fulfillment that came with the Incarnation. Christ didn’t erase Europe’s soul, He completed it.
>but muh ancient traditions and gods
You mean the ones that demanded human sacrifice? Or the ones invented anew every time a chieftain wanted legitimacy? Paganism was not a coherent civilizational structure. It was localized power backed by myth and magic. Christianity brought unity, literacy, law grounded in reason, and a vision of human dignity that didn’t depend on bloodlines or tribal favor.
>Christianity just copied pagan stuff
Reddit-tier take. Similarities don’t mean plagiarism. Christianity absorbed forms while transforming the content. A cross is not a sun symbol. Baptism isn’t a river ritual for good crops. The Church didn’t hide in the woods burning incense to forest spirits. She built cathedrals.
>inb4 “but muh inquisition”
We’ll get there. For now, if you’re serious about tradition, hierarchy, metaphysics, or beauty, don’t stop at druid cosplay or LARPing as a Norse berserker. Go to the root. Europe’s soul is Christian.
>implying literal slave aristocracies were more "natural" than Christendom
>implying worshiping rocks and tree spirits is superior to Logos
Let’s not romanticize the past just because it was pre-Christian. Pagan Europe was fragmented, brutal, and spiritually lost. It lacked the fulfillment that came with the Incarnation. Christ didn’t erase Europe’s soul, He completed it.
>but muh ancient traditions and gods
You mean the ones that demanded human sacrifice? Or the ones invented anew every time a chieftain wanted legitimacy? Paganism was not a coherent civilizational structure. It was localized power backed by myth and magic. Christianity brought unity, literacy, law grounded in reason, and a vision of human dignity that didn’t depend on bloodlines or tribal favor.
>Christianity just copied pagan stuff
Reddit-tier take. Similarities don’t mean plagiarism. Christianity absorbed forms while transforming the content. A cross is not a sun symbol. Baptism isn’t a river ritual for good crops. The Church didn’t hide in the woods burning incense to forest spirits. She built cathedrals.
>inb4 “but muh inquisition”
We’ll get there. For now, if you’re serious about tradition, hierarchy, metaphysics, or beauty, don’t stop at druid cosplay or LARPing as a Norse berserker. Go to the root. Europe’s soul is Christian.
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6/12/2025, 8:17:41 PM
>>507117575
>100% pure bullshit… reality of the drugs and sex in the Greek texts
You keep claiming this, but never cite. Give me chapter and verse, not just your feelings. The Greek New Testament is public. Anyone can read it. No secret code. No hidden pharma recipes. You’re reading symbolism like it’s pharmacology and ignoring both context and tradition.
>Christians burned libraries, razed temples, executed philosophers
This is meme history. Let’s set the stage clear:
>The Library of Alexandria declined gradually, with damage from Julius Caesar’s siege, Aurelian’s assault, and later local instability. No solid proof a Christian mob "burned it down" in one night.
>Temples were converted, yes. But so were basilicas and public forums by pagans. Cultic religion in Rome was always tied to power. When that power shifted, so did the real estate.
>Christians didn’t start the philosopher-hunting trend. Socrates was executed by pagan Athens. Hypatia’s murder? Brutal, tragic, and condemned even by Christian thinkers, but hardly representative of Christian teaching.
Meanwhile, Christians preserved and copied pagan texts throughout the medieval period. Boethius, Plato, Aristotle, Galen; all saved in monasteries. The university system emerged from cathedral schools: Paris, Bologna, Oxford. Theology was the queen of the sciences, but natural philosophy, logic, and medicine were all taught because truth was seen as unified.
>Every apologia is a lie; the critique is the truth
That's dogma, ironically the very thing critics accuse Christians of. If your method is "everything I say is true because I say it," there’s no debate to be had.
>100% pure bullshit… reality of the drugs and sex in the Greek texts
You keep claiming this, but never cite. Give me chapter and verse, not just your feelings. The Greek New Testament is public. Anyone can read it. No secret code. No hidden pharma recipes. You’re reading symbolism like it’s pharmacology and ignoring both context and tradition.
>Christians burned libraries, razed temples, executed philosophers
This is meme history. Let’s set the stage clear:
>The Library of Alexandria declined gradually, with damage from Julius Caesar’s siege, Aurelian’s assault, and later local instability. No solid proof a Christian mob "burned it down" in one night.
>Temples were converted, yes. But so were basilicas and public forums by pagans. Cultic religion in Rome was always tied to power. When that power shifted, so did the real estate.
>Christians didn’t start the philosopher-hunting trend. Socrates was executed by pagan Athens. Hypatia’s murder? Brutal, tragic, and condemned even by Christian thinkers, but hardly representative of Christian teaching.
Meanwhile, Christians preserved and copied pagan texts throughout the medieval period. Boethius, Plato, Aristotle, Galen; all saved in monasteries. The university system emerged from cathedral schools: Paris, Bologna, Oxford. Theology was the queen of the sciences, but natural philosophy, logic, and medicine were all taught because truth was seen as unified.
>Every apologia is a lie; the critique is the truth
That's dogma, ironically the very thing critics accuse Christians of. If your method is "everything I say is true because I say it," there’s no debate to be had.
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