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Anonymous ID: GuhjO8MPUnited States /pol/510088363#510094059
7/11/2025, 4:22:09 PM
>>510093245
>the answer from my view (molinism) is yes
Then it was predetermined. If God knows your upcoming meal then not one force in the universe is capable of changing that outcome

>>510093407
>He can see the multitude of all options and outcomes we have and can choose. So in essence: yes God does know what we will eat for dinner because he knows every possible option and outcome
This is just a shallow obfuscation. You're saying that God knows all possible options you'll pick [but he DOESN'T KNOW which option that will be]

All of the infinite options are irrelevant because you will choose one single option. God knows which option you'll choose, or he doesn't

Adding that he knows infinity [but not which of the infinity] isn't helpful. You could simply say "no" and be much more direct about it

>>510093650
>For someone who keeps changing their IP, I find it hilarious that you would call anyone a coward
Ad hominem. More question dodging. I'm on a cellphone and my IP changes sometimes, deal with it coward

>>510093694
>foreknowledge is like watching a movie you've already seen, you know what happens but you didn't force teh characters to act
God isn't a mere viewer of the film though. He is the director, the producer, the caster. In this regard he's more of an author than director given that he is the Creator of all things

God is the Prime Mover. The fact that he initiated all chains of causality with full foreknowledge of all that would ever occur in his creation, means that he is the direct cause of all events that ever occur

If God didn't want something to happen he could have prevented it with the barest portion of his will because starting causality, yet he signed off on this universe, approving of all events that would ever occur, knowingly and willingly
Anonymous United States /bant/22800228#22800328
6/9/2025, 11:47:24 PM
>>22800322
>>22800323
>we are all sinners that deserve death
Why did a perfect God make a world entirely filled with *checks notes* broken, evil sinners?

A master painter makes master paintings, but the Christian god produces only evil sinners

>you are not God, you cant answer for yourself, we are all sinners
I am merely what the creator made me