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7/27/2025, 2:17:51 AM
6/28/2025, 10:16:12 PM
>>17798778
Because they don't speak and were maternally non-IE.
>Among the older studies, based only on mitochondrial DNA, a mtDNA study, published in 2018 in the American Journal of Physical Anthropology compared both ancient and modern samples from Tuscany, from Prehistory, the Etruscan age, Roman age, Renaissance and the present day and concluded that the Etruscans appear to be a local population, intermediate between the prehistoric and the other samples, placing them in the temporal network between the Eneolithic Age and the Roman Age
>A couple of mitochondrial DNA studies published in 2013 in the journals PLOS One and American Journal of Physical Anthropology, based on Etruscan samples from Tuscany and Latium, concluded that the Etruscans were an indigenous population, showing that Etruscan mtDNA appears to be very close to a Neolithic population from Central Europe (Germany, Austria, Hungary) and to other Tuscan populations, strongly suggesting that the Etruscan civilization developed locally from the Villanovan culture, as supported by archaeological evidence and anthropological research, and that genetic links between Tuscany and western Anatolia date to at least 5,000 years ago during the Neolithic and the "most likely separation time between Tuscany and Western Anatolia falls around 7,600 years ago", at the time of the migrations of Early European Farmers (EEF) from Anatolia to Europe in the early Neolithic
>The ancient Etruscan samples had mitochondrial DNA haplogroups (mtDNA) JT (subclades of J and T) and U5, with a minority of mtDNA H1b
>An mtDNA study published in 2004, based on about 28 samples of individuals who lived from 600 to 100 BC in Veneto, Etruria and Campania, found that the Etruscans had no significant heterogeneity and that all mitochondrial lineages observed among the Etruscan samples appear typically European or West Asian but only a few haplotypes were shared with modern populations
Because they don't speak and were maternally non-IE.
>Among the older studies, based only on mitochondrial DNA, a mtDNA study, published in 2018 in the American Journal of Physical Anthropology compared both ancient and modern samples from Tuscany, from Prehistory, the Etruscan age, Roman age, Renaissance and the present day and concluded that the Etruscans appear to be a local population, intermediate between the prehistoric and the other samples, placing them in the temporal network between the Eneolithic Age and the Roman Age
>A couple of mitochondrial DNA studies published in 2013 in the journals PLOS One and American Journal of Physical Anthropology, based on Etruscan samples from Tuscany and Latium, concluded that the Etruscans were an indigenous population, showing that Etruscan mtDNA appears to be very close to a Neolithic population from Central Europe (Germany, Austria, Hungary) and to other Tuscan populations, strongly suggesting that the Etruscan civilization developed locally from the Villanovan culture, as supported by archaeological evidence and anthropological research, and that genetic links between Tuscany and western Anatolia date to at least 5,000 years ago during the Neolithic and the "most likely separation time between Tuscany and Western Anatolia falls around 7,600 years ago", at the time of the migrations of Early European Farmers (EEF) from Anatolia to Europe in the early Neolithic
>The ancient Etruscan samples had mitochondrial DNA haplogroups (mtDNA) JT (subclades of J and T) and U5, with a minority of mtDNA H1b
>An mtDNA study published in 2004, based on about 28 samples of individuals who lived from 600 to 100 BC in Veneto, Etruria and Campania, found that the Etruscans had no significant heterogeneity and that all mitochondrial lineages observed among the Etruscan samples appear typically European or West Asian but only a few haplotypes were shared with modern populations
6/25/2025, 10:35:40 PM
>Taurus: From Latin Taurus (from taurus (“bull”)), from Ancient Greek Ταῦρος (Taûros), from Proto-Hellenic *táuros, from Proto-Indo-European *táwros; borrowed from or into Proto-Semitic *ṯawr- (“bull, ox”), or both originated from a common unknown source. (The unconditioned /a/ suggests a non-Indo-European etymon)
>The earliest-known domestication of the aurochs dates to the Neolithic Revolution in the Fertile Crescent, where cattle hunted and kept by Neolithic farmers gradually decreased in size between 9800 and 7500 BC. Aurochs bones found at Mureybet and Göbekli Tepe are larger in size than cattle bones from later Neolithic settlements in northern Syria like Dja'de el-Mughara and Tell Halula. In Late Neolithic sites of northern Iraq and western Iran dating to the sixth millennium BC, cattle remains are also smaller but more frequent, indicating that domesticated cattle were imported during the Halaf culture from the central Fertile Crescent region. Results of genetic research indicate that the modern taurine cattle (Bos taurus) arose from 80 aurochs tamed in southeastern Anatolia and northern Syria about 10,500 years ago. Taurine cattle spread into the Balkans and northern Italy along the Danube River and the coast of the Mediterranean Sea
>Hybridisation between male aurochs and early domestic cattle occurred in central Europe between 9500 and 1000 BC. Analyses of mitochondrial DNA sequences of Italian aurochs specimens dated to 17–7,000 years ago and 51 modern cattle breeds revealed some degree of introgression of aurochs genes into south European cattle, indicating that female aurochs had contact with free-ranging domestic cattle. Cattle bones of various sizes found at a Chalcolithic settlement in the Kutná Hora District provide further evidence for hybridisation of aurochs and domestic cattle between 3000 and 2800 BC in the Bohemian region
>The earliest-known domestication of the aurochs dates to the Neolithic Revolution in the Fertile Crescent, where cattle hunted and kept by Neolithic farmers gradually decreased in size between 9800 and 7500 BC. Aurochs bones found at Mureybet and Göbekli Tepe are larger in size than cattle bones from later Neolithic settlements in northern Syria like Dja'de el-Mughara and Tell Halula. In Late Neolithic sites of northern Iraq and western Iran dating to the sixth millennium BC, cattle remains are also smaller but more frequent, indicating that domesticated cattle were imported during the Halaf culture from the central Fertile Crescent region. Results of genetic research indicate that the modern taurine cattle (Bos taurus) arose from 80 aurochs tamed in southeastern Anatolia and northern Syria about 10,500 years ago. Taurine cattle spread into the Balkans and northern Italy along the Danube River and the coast of the Mediterranean Sea
>Hybridisation between male aurochs and early domestic cattle occurred in central Europe between 9500 and 1000 BC. Analyses of mitochondrial DNA sequences of Italian aurochs specimens dated to 17–7,000 years ago and 51 modern cattle breeds revealed some degree of introgression of aurochs genes into south European cattle, indicating that female aurochs had contact with free-ranging domestic cattle. Cattle bones of various sizes found at a Chalcolithic settlement in the Kutná Hora District provide further evidence for hybridisation of aurochs and domestic cattle between 3000 and 2800 BC in the Bohemian region
6/25/2025, 9:56:09 PM
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>>508717424
>>508717915
>I will give you a summary: Four generations after the Epic of Gilgamesh and historical Enkidu, during the reign of Mesannepada and the beginning of the glory of Ur, place of slaughter and beginnings, Reu, son of Peleg (Great-Grandfather of Abraham), ventured along with his father to the West, where they settled next to the Pelasgians. Reu became king of all Pelasgians, with his capital at Mukanai, later Mycenae. Meanwhile, a Yanmaya of unknown name but known to the Hellenics as Tectamus gathered a group of explorers and, starting from the delta of the so-called Maeotid region, arrived at Mycenae. This Tectamus gathered enough strength to reach Crete, where his yamnaya comrades established themselves as the local elite. It would be his son, Asterion, married to Europis, daughter of Phoinix, lord and repopulatinator of Damascus, Byblos, and many other cities
>Asterion had only daughters, and for refusing to take lovers and live a righteous life he was succeeded by his godson, Minutes, or Minos
>Minos was a great tyrant, reigning for nearly five decades. Their damn son, remembered by the Hellenes as the aberration Minotaur, lived for 36 of those nearly 50 years. Both Minos, son of Reu after he abandoned his family in Ur, and the said Asterius were themselves avatars, Minos being an important recollector, imprisoned in the body of a son of Reu for damn perversion of Pelasgian sorceresses, and Asterius a literal condemned, having the body-speech-and-mind of spirit associated with the Aurochs worshiped for millennia by the locals
>But back to the subject, from this elite half Proto-Yamnaya and half Proto-Sumerian mixed with Pelasgian knowledge, a happy, brief and august culture had emerged, very rich. From Crete, the Minos dynasty will reign for two more generations, until the brief reign of Minos' Fatricidal grandson leads to the conquest of Crete by the Mycenae, and the unification of that culture
>>508717424
>>508717915
>I will give you a summary: Four generations after the Epic of Gilgamesh and historical Enkidu, during the reign of Mesannepada and the beginning of the glory of Ur, place of slaughter and beginnings, Reu, son of Peleg (Great-Grandfather of Abraham), ventured along with his father to the West, where they settled next to the Pelasgians. Reu became king of all Pelasgians, with his capital at Mukanai, later Mycenae. Meanwhile, a Yanmaya of unknown name but known to the Hellenics as Tectamus gathered a group of explorers and, starting from the delta of the so-called Maeotid region, arrived at Mycenae. This Tectamus gathered enough strength to reach Crete, where his yamnaya comrades established themselves as the local elite. It would be his son, Asterion, married to Europis, daughter of Phoinix, lord and repopulatinator of Damascus, Byblos, and many other cities
>Asterion had only daughters, and for refusing to take lovers and live a righteous life he was succeeded by his godson, Minutes, or Minos
>Minos was a great tyrant, reigning for nearly five decades. Their damn son, remembered by the Hellenes as the aberration Minotaur, lived for 36 of those nearly 50 years. Both Minos, son of Reu after he abandoned his family in Ur, and the said Asterius were themselves avatars, Minos being an important recollector, imprisoned in the body of a son of Reu for damn perversion of Pelasgian sorceresses, and Asterius a literal condemned, having the body-speech-and-mind of spirit associated with the Aurochs worshiped for millennia by the locals
>But back to the subject, from this elite half Proto-Yamnaya and half Proto-Sumerian mixed with Pelasgian knowledge, a happy, brief and august culture had emerged, very rich. From Crete, the Minos dynasty will reign for two more generations, until the brief reign of Minos' Fatricidal grandson leads to the conquest of Crete by the Mycenae, and the unification of that culture
6/24/2025, 2:04:42 AM
>>17786675
>inb4 But the Greeks
Most of the myths and gods of Greek Mythology are native Anatolian and Middle Eastern. The AHG/ANF lived between 15,000–5,000 BCE, and the CHG/Iran_N between 13,000–6,000 BCE. This means that the Theogony stuff, written around 700 BC, came back 14,300/12,309–7,300/6,700 after them. In contrast, the Yamnaya/IE-speaking migrations into the Aegean occurred around 2500–2000 BCE, meaning the Theogony was written only about 1300 years after their arrival and 2600 after they emerged (700 years more difference compared to the Vedic), making the AHG/ANF and CHG/Iran_N mythic substrate far older and more foundational than the later IE final layer.
Although their supreme god was PIE, even he was influenced by them, since a Minoan Zeus (Velchanos) already existed, portrayed as a divine child with a mother and part of a myth of succession. That’s a major departure from Dyeus Phter, who was not a child, had no mother and was never "born", he simply was the Light of Heaven and All-Father, most similar to Uranus.
Btw Minoans. Even the pre-Mycenaean king Minos was said to be the son of Sky-Daddy and adoptive son of Asterion (CHG/Iran_N, the reason for having the same name as Minotaur, the Greek Moloch, since the presence of Aurochs is correlated with their ancestry). Asterion was son of Tectamus (Yamnaya), son of Dorus (Yamnaya), ancestor of the Dorians, son of Hellen (IE, since he is also the ancestor of the Achaeans, Aeolians, Ionians, etc...), adoptive son of Deucalion (CHG/Iran_N, see Ziusudra before), son of Prometheus (clearly CHG/Iran_N, since he is punished by Zeus in the Caucasus where he saved his children from the Flood there like the Noah Story),...
>inb4 But the Greeks
Most of the myths and gods of Greek Mythology are native Anatolian and Middle Eastern. The AHG/ANF lived between 15,000–5,000 BCE, and the CHG/Iran_N between 13,000–6,000 BCE. This means that the Theogony stuff, written around 700 BC, came back 14,300/12,309–7,300/6,700 after them. In contrast, the Yamnaya/IE-speaking migrations into the Aegean occurred around 2500–2000 BCE, meaning the Theogony was written only about 1300 years after their arrival and 2600 after they emerged (700 years more difference compared to the Vedic), making the AHG/ANF and CHG/Iran_N mythic substrate far older and more foundational than the later IE final layer.
Although their supreme god was PIE, even he was influenced by them, since a Minoan Zeus (Velchanos) already existed, portrayed as a divine child with a mother and part of a myth of succession. That’s a major departure from Dyeus Phter, who was not a child, had no mother and was never "born", he simply was the Light of Heaven and All-Father, most similar to Uranus.
Btw Minoans. Even the pre-Mycenaean king Minos was said to be the son of Sky-Daddy and adoptive son of Asterion (CHG/Iran_N, the reason for having the same name as Minotaur, the Greek Moloch, since the presence of Aurochs is correlated with their ancestry). Asterion was son of Tectamus (Yamnaya), son of Dorus (Yamnaya), ancestor of the Dorians, son of Hellen (IE, since he is also the ancestor of the Achaeans, Aeolians, Ionians, etc...), adoptive son of Deucalion (CHG/Iran_N, see Ziusudra before), son of Prometheus (clearly CHG/Iran_N, since he is punished by Zeus in the Caucasus where he saved his children from the Flood there like the Noah Story),...
6/24/2025, 1:42:54 AM
>>17786675
>inb4 But the Greeks
Most of the myths and gods of Greek Mythology are native Anatolian and Middle Eastern. The AHG/ANF lived between 15,000–5,000 BCE, and the CHG/Iran_N between 13,000–6,000 BCE. This means that the Theogony stuff, written around 700 BC, came back 14,300/12,309–7,300/6,700 after them. In contrast, the Yamnaya/IE-speaking migrations into the Aegean occurred around 2500–2000 BCE, meaning the Theogony was written only about 1300 years after their arrival and 2600 after they emerged (700 years more difference compared to the Vedic), making the AHG/ANF and CHG/Iran_N mythic substrate far older and more foundational than the later IE final layer.
Although their supreme god was PIE, even he was influenced by them, since a Minoan Zeus (Velchanos) already existed, portrayed as a divine child with a mother and part of a myth of succession. That’s a major departure from Dyeus Phter, who was not a child, had no mother and was never "born", he simply was the Light of Heaven and All-Father, most similar to Uranus.
Btw Minoans. Even the pre-Mycenaean king Minos was said to be the son of Sky-Daddy and adoptive son of Asterion (CHG/Iran_N, the reason for having the same name as Minotaur, the Greek Moloch, since the presence of Aurochs is correlated with their ancestry). Asterion was son of Tectamus (Proto-Yamnaya), son of Dorus (Proto-Yamnaya), ancestor of the Dorians, son of Hellen (IE, since he is also the ancestor of the Achaeans, Aeolians, Ionians, etc...), adoptive son of Deucalion (CHG/Iran_N, see Ziusudra before), son of Prometheus (clearly CHG/Iran_N, since he is punished by Zeus in the Caucasus where he saved his children from the Flood there like the Noah Story), son of Iapetus (EHG), son of Gaia (WHG, but AHG/ANF for Greeks and EEF, aka ANF+WHG, for Europeans).
>inb4 But the Greeks
Most of the myths and gods of Greek Mythology are native Anatolian and Middle Eastern. The AHG/ANF lived between 15,000–5,000 BCE, and the CHG/Iran_N between 13,000–6,000 BCE. This means that the Theogony stuff, written around 700 BC, came back 14,300/12,309–7,300/6,700 after them. In contrast, the Yamnaya/IE-speaking migrations into the Aegean occurred around 2500–2000 BCE, meaning the Theogony was written only about 1300 years after their arrival and 2600 after they emerged (700 years more difference compared to the Vedic), making the AHG/ANF and CHG/Iran_N mythic substrate far older and more foundational than the later IE final layer.
Although their supreme god was PIE, even he was influenced by them, since a Minoan Zeus (Velchanos) already existed, portrayed as a divine child with a mother and part of a myth of succession. That’s a major departure from Dyeus Phter, who was not a child, had no mother and was never "born", he simply was the Light of Heaven and All-Father, most similar to Uranus.
Btw Minoans. Even the pre-Mycenaean king Minos was said to be the son of Sky-Daddy and adoptive son of Asterion (CHG/Iran_N, the reason for having the same name as Minotaur, the Greek Moloch, since the presence of Aurochs is correlated with their ancestry). Asterion was son of Tectamus (Proto-Yamnaya), son of Dorus (Proto-Yamnaya), ancestor of the Dorians, son of Hellen (IE, since he is also the ancestor of the Achaeans, Aeolians, Ionians, etc...), adoptive son of Deucalion (CHG/Iran_N, see Ziusudra before), son of Prometheus (clearly CHG/Iran_N, since he is punished by Zeus in the Caucasus where he saved his children from the Flood there like the Noah Story), son of Iapetus (EHG), son of Gaia (WHG, but AHG/ANF for Greeks and EEF, aka ANF+WHG, for Europeans).
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