>>96498984
>>96498985
>>96498990
The issue is vanguard is stupidly fucking hard to pull off since you can not only reposition off the point (making it harder to charge also) but DEEP STRIKERS CAN'T FUCKING CHARGE ANYMORE so they just get to FULLY WALK OFF THE POINT if they feel the need, so the majority of the time you're totally reliant on shooting doing all the work to kill a unit, which is just fucking stupid.
At the very least shooting and triggering a unit to Rout should proc Vanguard, and sure that'll include flamers but it's not like they won't kill a model anyway most of the time and you have to stand directly on top of the enemy unit to use them.

>>96068309
1.0 sucked and 2.0 sucked in different ways I think the difference here is that a lot of options are being stripped from the units and armies so naturally the fanbase is gunna riot over things that really shouldn't have changed